After pledging to donate salary, Trump administration declines to release proof

[DiogenesLamp]

Just more evidence this country is more Soviet than anyone would imagine.

Contorted reasoning makes my head hurt.  No thanks.

[INVAR]

The Dems and the Press (I repeat myself) would have found a way to cheat the test to show he's some kind of God from Krypton.

Funny you should mention that....





... His Heinous and his worshippers always saw him as a mythic hero to save the downtrodden of the globe from the evils of America.

[DiogenesLamp]

By that reckoning, none of us should expect or ask for birth certificates, college transcripts, law licenses, or legal infraction records of anyone running for office.

That is nonsense.   AKA stuff that makes my head hurt trying to follow the twisted reasoning.   

[INVAR]

That is nonsense.   AKA stuff that makes my head hurt trying to follow the twisted reasoning.   

Nonsense.  The argument being made is that no political candidate, especially a President has to disclose anything that is deemed their 'private business'.  So naturally, birth certificates, medical and health records, college transcripts, Visa applications, Law licenses, business dealings, contracts, or any other item that is 'private business' should be expected to be disclosed according to the argument.

IOWs, these same folks who were probably screaming at the top of their lungs over Obama's fake BC and his refusal to release medical records, college transcripts and the like - are proven hypocrites now defending Trump's refusal to do the same.

That's not nonsense.

That's pointing out the hypocrisy and noting that the argument about 'private business' is apparently subjective to which party and candidate they wish to apply the argument.

[DiogenesLamp]

I reject your premise. 

[INVAR]

I reject your premise.

Reject it all you like.

I didn't make the argument about disclosure exemption for politicians deemed 'private'.

I merely opined on it, noting the hypocrisy of Trump supporters vis-a-vis Obama's unreleased 'private' information.

[XenaLee]

You are kidding.

Not at all.   As long as the deductions and gimmicks Trumps' accountants used are legal, there's nothing the idiot left can do.  After all, we already know the Obamas did it, the Clintons did it and the Bushes did it.  It's what you do when there are LEGAL ways to avoid paying more.  And again, I'm more concerned about the impression his supporters will have if he now, after saying the opposite, refuses to release them.  He will lose support via that 'loss of credibility' issue.

[XenaLee]

The "tradition" harkens back to the golden days of Yesteryear, in 1972 when a disgraced President was trying to placate his enemies and avoid being impeached.  It didn't work, and the first President to follow him didn't do it.  Really, the "tradition" only goes back to Jimmy Carter, and I fail to see how he's any kind of a role model.

So you're ok with Trump going against an over four decades-long tradition, and refusing to release his tax records NOW, after he already said that he would release them? 

[DiogenesLamp]

Reject it all you like.

I didn't make the argument about disclosure exemption for politicians deemed 'private'.

You didn't make any sort of argument that made any sense to me.   Hence my desire to not contemplate a brain twister. 

[DiogenesLamp]

Not at all.   As long as the deductions and gimmicks Trumps' accountants used are legal, there's nothing the idiot left can do.

Nothing they can do about it legally,   but don't mistake that for being nothing they can do about it.   They can launch their typical histrionics and character assassinations  and thereby  suck up the oxygen necessary to discuss more important issues. 


They can make the story about Trump dodging taxes,  and not about Democrat officials dodging domestic surveillance laws.   They can derail more important efforts.   Allowing to do this would be a self inflicted wound.   If you don't give them the fuel to power this thing,  it won't get anywhere. 

  After all, we already know the Obamas did it, the Clintons did it and the Bushes did it.  It's what you do when there are LEGAL ways to avoid paying more. 

 You ought to very well know that there are double standards in the broadcasting media monopoly.  For what Democrats get away with routinely,  Republicans get crucified.

And again, I'm more concerned about the impression his supporters will have if he now, after saying the opposite, refuses to release them.  He will lose support via that 'loss of credibility' issue.

I don't care about this.   I think most of his supporters do not care about this.   I think the vast majority of people who care about this are his enemies,   and I say "screw em." 

[ConservativeGranny]

Because the alternative is what exactly?   Voting for people who promise the opposite of what you want?

The alternative is voting for someone who has a voting record that points to them doing what they have said they will do. Hmmm...who would that have been?

This is the problem that occurs when you vote for someone who has no record to back up what they are saying and pretending to be.

[DiogenesLamp]

The alternative is voting for someone who has a voting record that points to them doing what they have said they will do. Hmmm...who would that have been?

Your choice was not this imaginary third party person.   Your choice was Hillary or Trump.   


We got the better deal the way things worked out. 

[Cyber Liberty]

So you're ok with Trump going against an over four decades-long tradition, and refusing to release his tax records NOW, after he already said that he would release them?

I disagree with his campaign statement he would release them.  Lots of campaign promises don't get kept, and this one won't kill him.

In a centuries old Republic (if you can keep it), a decades old "tradition" is a joke.  Kill it now, in the cradle.  It's wrong.  Forget that tradition carp, a tradition that traces it's lineage to Jimmy Carter can go hang.

[INVAR]

I don't care about this.   I think most of his supporters do not care about this.   I think the vast majority of people who care about this are his enemies,   and I say "screw em."

You people will be saying that no matter what Trump says or does.

He could declare himself king for life and we would hear about how it is necessary and that those opposed are just the swamp critters needing to be drained for his new order.

[Emjay]

"MSNBC requested details and documentation about any salary donations from the White House, the Treasury Department and the Office of Personnel Management, which all declined to say whether Trump has donated any of his salary to date. (OPM referred questions to the White House.) "

Oh, no, MSNBC asked for something and didn't get it.  Start the impeachment process, they're got him now!

This is so incredibly stupid.  Presidents are paid monthly so Trump has gotten maybe one check for about $350 or so less taxes.  That's not a significant amount to donate.  I assume he plans to donate the full salary at the end of his term.

This whole hoop ti do is just another example of the media trying to get Trump on anything and everything.  I can't believe so many here are taking this seriously.

If Trump does plan to donate his salary, he probably wants to get some publicity out of it which he won't get by dribbling it out in monthly increments.

[Emjay]

You people will be saying that no matter what Trump says or does.

He could declare himself king for life and we would hear about how it is necessary and that those opposed are just the swamp critters needing to be drained for his new order.

No, Invar, if Trump declares himself king for life, we will protest.  This is nothing.

[DB]

This is so incredibly stupid.  Presidents are paid monthly so Trump has gotten maybe one check for about $350 or so less taxes.  That's not a significant amount to donate.  I assume he plans to donate the full salary at the end of his term.

This whole hoop ti do is just another example of the media trying to get Trump on anything and everything.  I can't believe so many here are taking this seriously.

If Trump does plan to donate his salary, he probably wants to get some publicity out of it which he won't get by dribbling it out in monthly increments.

I think you slipped some digits. The President's salary is $400,000 a year. That's $33,333 a month, not $350.

[Emjay]

You're beginning to sound like Mitch McConnell and his explanations of why he couldn't get anything done in the Senate..."If only..."


We can't trust him when he says he's going to donate a large sum of personal money to Veterans groups...and then he doesn't

We can't trust him when he says he's going to release his tax returns...and then he doesn't.

He can't be trusted when he asks a Deputy U.S. Attorney to stay on and not quit

We can't trust him when he says he's going to donate his salary...and then he doesn't.

This is called a pattern.  And not amount of bending over backwards to Trumpsplain or sucking your head in the sand in denial will change the fact that so far he has a problem with truthfulness when it comes to little things like what I listed.

So how do we know we can trust him when it comes to bing things of national and international importance?

Well, apparently you are determined not to trust him so there's that.  However, I still put all this in the category of little things.  We knew he wasn't gonna release his tax returns.

As far as your fanatic clinging to Trump privately asking an attorney to stay on and changing his mind later....it makes one wonder if you've ever worked for anybody.  I know you have so why are you so naive on this issue?

He said he was gonna donate his salary.  He hasn't gotten much yet.  We don't know what he's done with the first month's.  Maybe he's funneling it into an account so he can make a large donation later.

Anyway, this is a drop in the bucket of what the government spends every minute and it's nothing to get all het up over.  I'm not defending him but this is just stupid.

Next we'll learn that he brushes his teeth sideways instead of up and down.

[Emjay]

Well tell me....just what the hell do you think you're going to change with this constant assault on his 'credibility' or truthfulness?  Do you really, seriously, think that you're going to get him out of the White House ""before"" something major (SHTF) happens?   If so, you're dreaming. 

The reality is, he IS the CIC, warts and all.  Speculating on how he will handle a SHTF moment based on all of this other minor, petty bullcrap is just stupid, IMO.  It's distracting from the real issues like national security.  I want ALL of his focus on that right now until we can secure the things that Obama screwed up (intentionally).  All else is irrelevant.

As always you are the one with common sense.  It's amazing to see among all this drivel.

[INVAR]

No, Invar, if Trump declares himself king for life, we will protest.  This is nothing.

I'll believe that when I read it, hear it and see it.

Thus far all I see is affirmation of my supposition among the Trump faithful.

Like Obama was among his adoring worshippers, Trump can do no wrong whatsoever among his.

Even when he demonstrates that he took you all for the fools you are.

[Emjay]

I'll believe that when I read it, hear it and see it.

Thus far all I see is affirmation of my supposition among the Trump faithful.

Like Obama was among his adoring worshippers, Trump can do no wrong whatsoever among his.

Even when he demonstrates that he took you all for the fools you are.

Invar.  Listen closely.  I am not a Trump worshipper.  I fought against him with all my might.  I did NOT want him.

Much to my surprise, he won and is now the President.  On election night I found myself elated that we had gotten rid of the Clintons and the Obamas.

Also, to my surprise, he turned out to get a pretty good president.  He made excellent appointments and has moved forward on most of his campaign promises.

If you and a few others manage to join up with the liberals and the press and do serious damage to Donald Trump, what exactly do you think will happen?

You will not be able to get rid of him and he cannot be impeached.  The most you can hope for is to put roadblocks in the way of Trump getting some things done that we want done.

The very enemies he has are the scum of the earth.  Sometimes you can know people by their enemies.  I'm talking about the protestors and the libs who trash him daily.

[INVAR]

Invar.  Listen closely.  I am not a Trump worshipper.  I fought against him with all my might.  I did NOT want him.

Much to my surprise, he won and is now the President.  On election night I found myself elated that we had gotten rid of the Clintons and the Obamas.

Also, to my surprise, he turned out to get a pretty good president.  He made excellent appointments and has moved forward on most of his campaign promises.

If you and a few others manage to join up with the liberals and the press and do serious damage to Donald Trump, what exactly do you think will happen?

You will not be able to get rid of him and he cannot be impeached.  The most you can hope for is to put roadblocks in the way of Trump getting some things done that we want done.

The very enemies he has are the scum of the earth.  Sometimes you can know people by their enemies.  I'm talking about the protestors and the libs who trash him daily.

Trump is as irrelevant to me as Obama was.  I didn't vote for either of them, and do not expect anything but harm being done to Conservative principles and the Constitution from him.

When he serves both, he will be acknowledged.  When he harms both, he will be derided and excoriated. 

Thusfar it has been a mix, but there is also a quasi-coup underway and sabotage from the GOP itself upon the very principles they ran on and now run away from.

None of that takes away from my observations of the behavior of people caught up in a cult of personality when much of the same people threw hissy fits over things Obama refused to disclose or things he did that they now give Trump passes on.

[DiogenesLamp]

You people will be saying that no matter what Trump says or does.

I'm getting the impression that you are prone to histrionics.   I don't care about nothing burgers,  and this is a big nothing burger.   If he doesn't build the wall,   I *WILL*  care about that,  and not in a good way so far as Trump is concerned. 


You need to just stop with the "Youse guys are Trump sycophants."    Not at all.   I can't speak for others,   but I am mostly just relieved that we are dealing with these small fry Trump mini-scandals,  than the full fledged socialist nightmare, possibly violent reality of a Hillary Presidency.   

He could declare himself king for life and we would hear about how it is necessary and that those opposed are just the swamp critters needing to be drained for his new order.

You really ought to take a chill pill.   No,  none of us would support Trump declaring himself "King for life."


The idea is silly,  just like your attempt to compare tax returns and birth certificates.    Just silly.   

[ConservativeGranny]

Your choice was not this imaginary third party person.   Your choice was Hillary or Trump.   


We got the better deal the way things worked out.

Apparently we didn't vote in the same election.

[INVAR]

I'm getting the impression that you are prone to histrionics.   

I guess that must be your chosen word for the day and thread. 

I don't care about nothing burgers,  and this is a big nothing burger.

Everything will be declared a 'nothing burger' with Trump.  Everything that is or is not a scandal, lie, obfuscation, misappropriation, misleading or outright accusation of wrongdoing.  True or not - it will be declared a 'nothing burger' by the ardent faithful.  Of this, I am certain given the behavior I have already been witness to.

If he doesn't build the wall,   I *WILL*  care about that,  and not in a good way so far as Trump is concerned.

The Trump acolytes in my meatworld sphere have already conceded that they will be happy if it is a *virtual wall* or just a *wall of law* that is applied to illegals.  They no longer care if bricks are actually laid or not.  They said what Limbaugh said some time ago: "we always knew he was never serious about building the wall - but he brought attention to the problem no one else would".  For them, that is enough - because Trump is their Pontifex Maximus.

You need to just stop with the "Youse guys are Trump sycophants."   

I never said 'youse guys'.  Reread carefully.  If you identify with the term 'Trump faithful'/'Trump Acolytes'/Trump worshippers' - that is your problem. I'm referencing the memes, zeitgeist and arguments being made by the aforementioned.  I find it amusing the hypocrisy on display of people who wanted to scalp Obama over his birth certificate and college transcripts from Columbia - but have no problem with Trump reneging on his word to release his tax records.

You really ought to take a chill pill.   No,  none of us would support Trump declaring himself "King for life."

I have read many rabid Trump supporters not only make such claims of obeisance,  but go so far as to suggest that Trump NEEDS to be a dictator in the current climate and to undo what Obama has done.  Whether anyone on this board will do likewise... yet to be seen.

The idea is silly,  just like your attempt to compare tax returns and birth certificates.    Just silly.

*yawn*

 We were told it was silly to suggest Obama's birth certificate as released was fake too. 

If the argument is that Trump has no obligation to disclose any personal information to the public or the media, why is it *silly* to suggest that as such - no politician should have to disclose any *private records* including birth certificates, tax returns, college transcripts, medical history or anything that is deemed 'private'?    It's where the precedent will go.