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For the first time, researchers have developed a mathematical equation to describe the impact of human activity on the earth, finding people are causing the climate to change 170 times faster than natural forces.

The equation was developed in conjunction with Professor Will Steffen, a climate change expert and researcher at the Australian National University, and was published in the journal The Anthropocene Review.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/feb/12/humans-causing-climate-to-change-170-times-faster-than-natural-forces
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Re: Humans causing climate to change 170x faster than natural forces
« Reply #1 on: Sunday, Feb 12, 2017 08:09 am »
Will Steffen for dollars.

Steffening: to practice mercenary science.

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Re: Humans causing climate to change 170x faster than natural forces
« Reply #2 on: Sunday, Feb 12, 2017 08:22 am »
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published in the journal The Anthropocene Review
Even the name of the journal sounds like an activist publication.

"Anthropocene" was a term invented a few years ago alleging that human activity has altered the environment so much in the past 500 years or so that it deserves to be classified as a separate period. There still hasn't been a consensus among scientists to accept this hypothesis.
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Re: Humans causing climate to change 170x faster than natural forces
« Reply #3 on: Sunday, Feb 12, 2017 08:39 am »
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Re: Humans causing climate to change 170x faster than natural forces
« Reply #4 on: Sunday, Feb 12, 2017 08:57 am »

Exactly what I was thinking. The pressure on the environment when horsecrap hits the ground.

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Re: Humans causing climate to change 170x faster than natural forces
« Reply #5 on: Sunday, Feb 12, 2017 02:00 pm »
By implication, the article's title defines humans as not natural.

This is as strange as the ability of some quacks to derive a formula that calculated this

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Re: Humans causing climate to change 170x faster than natural forces
« Reply #6 on: Sunday, Feb 12, 2017 02:03 pm »
 :facepalm2: Utter BS.
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Re: Humans causing climate to change 170x faster than natural forces
« Reply #7 on: Sunday, Feb 12, 2017 04:57 pm »
Here's a money quote:
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“In the equation, astronomical and geophysical forces tend to zero because of their slow nature or rarity, as do internal dynamics, for now. All these forces still exert pressure, but currently on orders of magnitude less than human impact.”

(that's a statement from the paper itself)

Hmmm.  Yeah.  That comet/asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs and radically changed the climate tended to zero.

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fascinating.

And yet, even the IPCC's own reports have had to acknowledge that there has been a hiatus in the warming for at least the past 17 years.  What happened there?  Did human forces tend to zero?

What a bunch of agit-prop hooey.
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Re: Humans causing climate to change 170x faster than natural forces
« Reply #8 on: Sunday, Feb 12, 2017 05:03 pm »

Professional qualifications of Bill Steffen?

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Re: Humans causing climate to change 170x faster than natural forces
« Reply #9 on: Monday, Feb 13, 2017 04:58 am »
For the first time, researchers have developed a mathematical equation to describe the impact of human activity on the earth, finding people are causing the climate to change 170 times faster than natural forces.

The equation was developed in conjunction with Professor Will Steffen, a climate change expert and researcher at the Australian National University, and was published in the journal The Anthropocene Review.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/feb/12/humans-causing-climate-to-change-170-times-faster-than-natural-forces

OK, I can come up with an equation that shows just the opposite, and will probably be closer to actual temperature measurements than his can.

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Re: Humans causing climate to change 170x faster than natural forces
« Reply #10 on: Monday, Feb 13, 2017 05:14 am »
What a bunch of agit-prop hooey.

Exactly!  nothing more or less!
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Re: Humans causing climate to change 170x faster than natural forces
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday, Feb 14, 2017 06:31 am »
BS

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Re: Humans causing climate to change 170x faster than natural forces
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday, Feb 14, 2017 08:49 am »
To bad we don't have a correct forum for this type of article.  Something like "Snake Oil Sale and Purveyor's of Dubious or Fraudulent Position Papers ".