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Re: In Trump's Washington, Nothing Feels Stable
« Reply #25 on: February 06, 2017, 10:35:42 pm »
As I said, there were exceptions. But if you wanna try selling that Reagan era GOP in sum was as liberal as Turtle/Ryan era GOP, then best of luck. We all do crazy things sometimes.

The GOP in the 70's and early 80's were garbage, back seat, Left leaning losers. We only started to get Conservatives in the House in the 80's and the Senate in the 90's.

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Re: In Trump's Washington, Nothing Feels Stable
« Reply #26 on: February 06, 2017, 10:39:05 pm »


‘What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.’

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Love that!   :laugh:
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Re: In Trump's Washington, Nothing Feels Stable
« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2017, 10:39:41 pm »
Based on the title alone; I didn't know that anything in Washington felt stable.  :whistle:
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Re: In Trump's Washington, Nothing Feels Stable
« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2017, 10:39:54 pm »
They 'killed' him too early, IMO.    :laugh:
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Re: In Trump's Washington, Nothing Feels Stable
« Reply #29 on: February 06, 2017, 10:41:40 pm »
The GOP in the 70's and early 80's were garbage, back seat, Left leaning losers. We only started to get Conservatives in the House in the 80's and the Senate in the 90's.

Yea... Like I said. Best of luck with that.

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Re: In Trump's Washington, Nothing Feels Stable
« Reply #30 on: February 06, 2017, 10:43:20 pm »

You say that like it's a bad thing.   Upheaval in Washington is exactly what we need. 

That the Money Changers in the Temple are having their tables flipped over and being chased with a whip is music to my ears.




You're either confused.....or are grossly uninformed (uneducated?).  You seem to be overlooking or ignoring the main issue as to WHY Jesus went after the "money changers".  It was because it was in the temple, a place of worship (duh).

To compare that with Trump's anti-lobby sentiments NOW.... when he was a player in that same payforplay network once, is absurd.  And I'm being nice here.

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Re: In Trump's Washington, Nothing Feels Stable
« Reply #31 on: February 06, 2017, 10:44:19 pm »
Yea... Like I said. Best of luck with that.

That's the problem these days. No one has a perspective on history anymore.

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Re: In Trump's Washington, Nothing Feels Stable
« Reply #32 on: February 06, 2017, 10:47:42 pm »
The GOP in the 70's and early 80's were garbage, back seat, Left leaning losers. We only started to get Conservatives in the House in the 80's and the Senate in the 90's.

Nixon is a good example.  He imposed price controls with a wave of the wand in a manner that liberals could only dream of today. 

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Re: In Trump's Washington, Nothing Feels Stable
« Reply #33 on: February 06, 2017, 10:49:54 pm »
That's the problem these days. No one has a perspective on history anymore.

So how did we get the history we did over the past EDIT 20 years with a more conservative house and senate, much of which we held the house, he senate, or both?

There's some perspective for you. How did we get the obama years of highly documented cave-ins that led to Trump's election?

Are we to believe that the Reagan years were less conservative than the Clinton and Obama years based on the perspective of history?
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Re: In Trump's Washington, Nothing Feels Stable
« Reply #34 on: February 06, 2017, 10:52:48 pm »
Nixon is a good example.  He imposed price controls with a wave of the wand in a manner that liberals could only dream of today.

He was your typical GOP'er for the day. Also remember he is the one who jammed us with CAFE standards, the EPA, proposed a negative income tax and universal health care.

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Re: In Trump's Washington, Nothing Feels Stable
« Reply #35 on: February 06, 2017, 10:55:54 pm »
He was your typical GOP'er for the day. Also remember he is the one who jammed us with CAFE standards, the EPA, proposed a negative income tax and universal health care.

But, but.....CHINA!   CHINA!!    :laugh:
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Re: In Trump's Washington, Nothing Feels Stable
« Reply #36 on: February 06, 2017, 10:59:06 pm »
So how did we get the history we did over the past EDIT 20 years with a more conservative house and senate, much of which we held the house, he senate, or both?

There's some perspective for you. How did we get the obama years of highly documented cave-ins that led to Trump's election?

Are we to believe that the Reagan years were less conservative than the Clinton and Obama years based on the perspective of history?

Yes. Reagan reformed taxes and some regulatory stuff but most of his successes were in foreign policy. He also set a standard that a lot of newly elected House guys like Bohner, Kasich and Newt carried very well through the 90's basically boxing Clinton in from doing any permanent damage. How they ended up being the worthless garbage they became in the 2000's on is probably an issue of them being corrupt with the power they had.

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« Reply #37 on: February 06, 2017, 11:00:26 pm »
He was your typical GOP'er for the day. Also remember he is the one who jammed us with CAFE standards, the EPA, proposed a negative income tax and universal health care.

Like I said, Nixon is a good example. 

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Re: In Trump's Washington, Nothing Feels Stable
« Reply #38 on: February 06, 2017, 11:03:24 pm »
But, but.....CHINA!   CHINA!!    :laugh:

Wasn't that a Leftist pipe dream as well? They were hot to trot with normalizing relations with the Commies.

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Re: In Trump's Washington, Nothing Feels Stable
« Reply #39 on: February 06, 2017, 11:04:42 pm »
Yes. Reagan reformed taxes and some regulatory stuff but most of his successes were in foreign policy. He also set a standard that a lot of newly elected House guys like Bohner, Kasich and Newt carried very well through the 90's basically boxing Clinton in from doing any permanent damage. How they ended up being the worthless garbage they became in the 2000's on is probably an issue of them being corrupt with the power they had.

Reagan and the 8s GOP also reversed the Carter malase/economy here in the good'ol US of A, undid a ton of union and other leftist regs etc.

The corruption of Bhoner and the rest is exactly the point I was making. But they were and ARE the GOP of today. Corrupt isn't conservative. It's corrupt. AKA liberal.

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Re: In Trump's Washington, Nothing Feels Stable
« Reply #40 on: February 06, 2017, 11:05:33 pm »

I said to myself as I was posting that,   someone is going to claim that I am trying to associate Trump with Jesus.  Then I told myself,  "No.  Nobody is going to do that. " 


No,  i'm not trying to suggest that Trump is Jesus.   I'm saying that doing what Jesus did is not a bad thing.   


Don't you think the Washington Lobby organizations are a lot like the money changers in the Temple?     They are parasites living off of the taxpayers back. 

They need to be shook up.

Of COURSE somebody was going to "do that," because thinking Trump is the Messiah, or Jesus, or David, or whatever is what's happening these days, and it IS frightening.

But I'm at least relieved that you don't think Jesus did "a bad thing" when He overturned the moneychangers tables in the temple.

It's just that the idea that Trump is doing anything similar to what Jesus did is nearing insanity.  Trump IS a moneychanger, not the Savior.....
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Re: In Trump's Washington, Nothing Feels Stable
« Reply #41 on: February 06, 2017, 11:06:59 pm »
You're either confused.....or are grossly uninformed (uneducated?).  You seem to be overlooking or ignoring the main issue as to WHY Jesus went after the "money changers".  It was because it was in the temple, a place of worship (duh).

To compare that with Trump's anti-lobby sentiments NOW.... when he was a player in that same payforplay network once, is absurd.  And I'm being nice here.

You are being nice, @XenaLee .

The parallel of Trump and Jesus is beyond absurd,  Trump would be at one of the tables, not the one overturning them.
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Re: In Trump's Washington, Nothing Feels Stable
« Reply #42 on: February 06, 2017, 11:07:35 pm »
Wasn't that a Leftist pipe dream as well? They were hot to trot with normalizing relations with the Commies.

Opening markets was all I was focusing on at the time.  That dominated the story line.
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Re: In Trump's Washington, Nothing Feels Stable
« Reply #43 on: February 06, 2017, 11:09:15 pm »
Love that!   :laugh:


As do I!   Not only does it comport well with my "Diogenes"  curmudgeon cynicism,  it encapsulates what is wrong in far too many of our "elite"  institutions.   


Trump is the proof of that very sentiment.     

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Re: In Trump's Washington, Nothing Feels Stable
« Reply #44 on: February 06, 2017, 11:11:47 pm »
You are being nice, @XenaLee .

The parallel of Trump and Jesus is beyond absurd,  Trump would be at one of the tables, not the one overturning them.

They have to know..... that they are ticking some of us off when they do that...right?  lolol
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Re: In Trump's Washington, Nothing Feels Stable
« Reply #45 on: February 06, 2017, 11:12:08 pm »
Reagan and the 8s GOP also reversed the Carter malase/economy here in the good'ol US of A, undid a ton of union and other leftist regs etc.


I think a lot of that had to do with the tax reforms. If you remember it was rough going from 81-83, just about the time the full effect of the reforms kicked in. Paul Volker and his fed policy helped as well even though that was a shock in the beginning with the interest rates.

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Re: In Trump's Washington, Nothing Feels Stable
« Reply #46 on: February 06, 2017, 11:14:35 pm »
You are being nice, @XenaLee .

The parallel of Trump and Jesus is beyond absurd.....

Not really. Donny kinda resembles the guy who owns that taco shop downtown, Jesus Garcia.


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Re: In Trump's Washington, Nothing Feels Stable
« Reply #47 on: February 06, 2017, 11:16:22 pm »
That's the problem these days. No one has a perspective on history anymore.

That would require schools to actually teach history accurately these days LOL!
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Re: In Trump's Washington, Nothing Feels Stable
« Reply #48 on: February 06, 2017, 11:16:56 pm »
Of COURSE somebody was going to "do that," because thinking Trump is the Messiah, or Jesus, or David, or whatever is what's happening these days, and it IS frightening.


Must not have noticed it because I don't run in those circles.   Yes,  i've seen some worshipful Trump supporters but I have never been one of them.   I am a reluctant Trump supporter who would rather have had Cruz. 


Of course after seeing what they have done and attempted to do to Trump,   I am no longer so certain that Cruz could have won the election.   


So far I'm liking what Trump is doing.  I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt,   and I think shaking up Washington is exactly what needs to be done.



But I'm at least relieved that you don't think Jesus did "a bad thing" when He overturned the moneychangers tables in the temple.

It's just that the idea that Trump is doing anything similar to what Jesus did is nearing insanity.  Trump IS a moneychanger, not the Savior.....


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Re: In Trump's Washington, Nothing Feels Stable
« Reply #49 on: February 06, 2017, 11:18:07 pm »
Wasn't that a Leftist pipe dream as well? They were hot to trot with normalizing relations with the Commies.

They still have that dream.
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