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Should Clelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?

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Should Chelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?
« on: Thursday, Jan 19, 2017 07:37 am »
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Do you believe that a young Army PFC with the ink not yet fully dry on his security clearance just walked into an ultra-secure facility one day and downloaded a ton of top secret material to a thumb drive, walked out with that in his pocket, and handed it over to Wikileaks.

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Re: Should Clelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday, Jan 19, 2017 07:39 am »
No but it has been and that's the end of that.

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Re: Should Chelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?
« Reply #2 on: Thursday, Jan 19, 2017 07:57 am »
Too late....he has been. I do think he will off himself within a year or two.
« Last Edit: Thursday, Jan 19, 2017 07:59 am by flowers »


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Re: Should Chelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday, Jan 19, 2017 07:59 am »
No, it should not have been.
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Re: Should Chelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday, Jan 19, 2017 08:03 am »
Thanks Nancy! The poll question should be what you quoted above and not whether or not he (or she) should have been pardoned. 
Scientists, like all discoverers of truth, have always asked, "What?” “How?” “Why?” “What if?” and “Why not?” Questioning science is science.

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Re: Should Clelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?
« Reply #5 on: Thursday, Jan 19, 2017 08:05 am »
No but it has been and that's the end of that.

@Cripplecreek

This is the actual question I wanted to be asked. 

Do you believe that a young Army PFC with the ink not yet fully dry on his security clearance just walked into an ultra-secure facility one day and downloaded a ton of top secret material to a thumb drive, walked out with that in his pocket, and handed it over to Wikileaks?

Scientists, like all discoverers of truth, have always asked, "What?” “How?” “Why?” “What if?” and “Why not?” Questioning science is science.

Jaeger, John . Brilliant Creations : The Wonder of Nature and Life (p. 5). Kindle Edition.

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Re: Should Chelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?
« Reply #6 on: Thursday, Jan 19, 2017 08:07 am »
Too late....he has been. I do think he will off himself within a year or two.

@flowers

This should have been the poll question

Do you believe that a young Army PFC with the ink not yet fully dry on his security clearance just walked into an ultra-secure facility one day and downloaded a ton of top secret material to a thumb drive, walked out with that in his pocket, and handed it over to Wikileaks.
Scientists, like all discoverers of truth, have always asked, "What?” “How?” “Why?” “What if?” and “Why not?” Questioning science is science.

Jaeger, John . Brilliant Creations : The Wonder of Nature and Life (p. 5). Kindle Edition.

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Re: Should Chelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?
« Reply #7 on: Thursday, Jan 19, 2017 08:07 am »
No, it should not have been.

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This should have been the poll question.

Do you believe that a young Army PFC with the ink not yet fully dry on his security clearance just walked into an ultra-secure facility one day and downloaded a ton of top secret material to a thumb drive, walked out with that in his pocket, and handed it over to Wikileaks?
Scientists, like all discoverers of truth, have always asked, "What?” “How?” “Why?” “What if?” and “Why not?” Questioning science is science.

Jaeger, John . Brilliant Creations : The Wonder of Nature and Life (p. 5). Kindle Edition.

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Re: Should Chelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?
« Reply #8 on: Thursday, Jan 19, 2017 08:09 am »
@Bigun

In that case, my brother, yes, I do believe that. The invincibly arrogant stupidity of the young trumps premeditation.   :laugh:
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Re: Should Chelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?
« Reply #9 on: Thursday, Jan 19, 2017 08:16 am »
@Bigun

In that case, my brother, yes, I do believe that. The invincibly arrogant stupidity of the young trumps premeditation.   :laugh:

@EC

I think you still don't understand what I wished to ask here.  Perhaps I should restate the question thusly:

Do you believe that it is possible for a young Army PFC with the ink not yet fully dry on his security clearance to just walked into an ultra-secure facility one day and download a ton of top secret material to a thumb drive, walk out with that in his pocket, and hand it over to Wikileaks.
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Scientists, like all discoverers of truth, have always asked, "What?” “How?” “Why?” “What if?” and “Why not?” Questioning science is science.

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Re: Should Chelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?
« Reply #10 on: Thursday, Jan 19, 2017 10:05 am »
@flowers

This should have been the poll question

Do you believe that a young Army PFC with the ink not yet fully dry on his security clearance just walked into an ultra-secure facility one day and downloaded a ton of top secret material to a thumb drive, walked out with that in his pocket, and handed it over to Wikileaks.
  I agree, how have you been @Bigun hope all is well with you and yours. my answer is no to that question by the way.


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Re: Should Chelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?
« Reply #11 on: Thursday, Jan 19, 2017 10:10 am »
@EC

I think you still don't understand what I wished to ask here.  Perhaps I should restate the question thusly:

Do you believe that it is possible for a young Army PFC with the ink not yet fully dry on his security clearance to just walked into an ultra-secure facility one day and download a ton of top secret material to a thumb drive, walked out with that in his pocket, and handed it over to Wikileaks.

No, but I guess we'll never find out the truth now that he's been pardoned.

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Re: Should Chelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?
« Reply #12 on: Thursday, Jan 19, 2017 01:11 pm »
  I agree, how have you been @Bigun hope all is well with you and yours. my answer is no to that question by the way.

@flowers

All is fine here!  Hope the same is true where you are!

Thanks for the response!
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Re: Should Chelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?
« Reply #13 on: Thursday, Jan 19, 2017 01:11 pm »
No, but I guess we'll never find out the truth now that he's been pardoned.

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Re: Should Chelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?
« Reply #14 on: Thursday, Jan 19, 2017 01:37 pm »

What about Manning's immediate superiors, up the line?

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Re: Should Chelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?
« Reply #15 on: Thursday, Jan 19, 2017 04:05 pm »
No and it's Bradley Manning. He should have remained in prison.
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Re: Should Chelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?
« Reply #16 on: Thursday, Jan 19, 2017 05:12 pm »
@Bigun

I'm bumping into a problem (one you know well) in writing a reply.

In short though, while it seems unlikely on the surface, yes, it is perfectly possible. @truth_seeker has touched on one of the reasons in his reply. However, I do think there was a certain amount of "assistance" going on - from and by whom I won't speculate.

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Re: Should Chelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?
« Reply #17 on: Thursday, Jan 19, 2017 05:17 pm »
There is no Chelsea Manning.

Only the traitor named Bradley Manning.

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Re: Should Chelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?
« Reply #18 on: Thursday, Jan 19, 2017 06:06 pm »
@Bigun

I'm bumping into a problem (one you know well) in writing a reply.

In short though, while it seems unlikely on the surface, yes, it is perfectly possible. @truth_seeker has touched on one of the reasons in his reply. However, I do think there was a certain amount of "assistance" going on - from and by whom I won't speculate.

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Gotcha.  We are in agreement.
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Re: Should Chelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday, Jan 24, 2017 06:02 am »
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Gotcha.  We are in agreement.

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Re: Should Chelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday, Jan 24, 2017 06:14 am »
If I were Emperor, that THING would be defenestrated as an example to all others who would follow in its path.


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It is in sore need of that treatment!
Scientists, like all discoverers of truth, have always asked, "What?” “How?” “Why?” “What if?” and “Why not?” Questioning science is science.

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Re: Should Chelsea Manning's sentence be commuted?
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday, Jan 24, 2017 06:09 pm »
Dangit, when I first read the title I thought the question was should it be executed.