Why the Big Lie About Steve Bannon?

[Silver Pines]

Yup, he's another degenerate and will harm the right if we let him.

@Cripplecreek


Ben Shapiro and Dana Loesch both worked with Bannon and they share the same opinion of him.  When Trump hired him this summer, Loesch said it was a terrible decision.  She said that Bannon is the kind of man who is consumed with getting revenge; he  personally tried to ruin her career after she quit Breitbart.


http://therightscoop.com/dana-loesch-steve-bannon-is-one-of-the-worst-people-on-gods-green-earth/


http://www.theblaze.com/news/2016/11/14/dana-loesch-has-a-warning-for-america-about-steve-bannon/



http://www.dailywire.com/news/8441/i-know-trumps-new-campaign-chairman-steve-bannon-ben-shapiro

[endicom]

@endicom

That's pretty funny.  I guess you'd better inform Bannon that the alt-right doesn't exist.


“Are there racist people involved in the alt-right? Absolutely,” he told Mother Jones at this year’s Republican National Convention. “Look, are there some people that are white nationalists that are attracted to some of the philosophies of the alt-right? Maybe. Are there some people that are anti-Semitic that are attracted? Maybe. Right? Maybe some people are attracted to the alt-right that are homophobes, right? But that’s just like, there are certain elements of the progressive left and the hard left that attract certain elements.”

https://www.good.is/articles/five-scary-steve-bannon-quotes-alt-right

BDS is leftist. There are racist and anti-Semitic elements among the Hillary supporters. And among every candidate's supporters.

Nothing is being said about Bannon that wasn't said about Reagan. Are you ready to sign off on the Reagan accusations?

[Silver Pines]

Moral relativism?  Who else does that?

Exactly.

[Silver Pines]

BDS is leftist. There are racist and anti-Semitic elements among the Hillary supporters. And among every candidate's supporters.

Nothing is being said about Bannon that wasn't said about Reagan. Are you ready to sign off on the Reagan accusations?

@endicom

Let's stay focused here.  You claimed that the alt-right doesn't exist.   Are you going to get in touch with Bannon and tell him that?

[ConstitutionRose]

I don't kneel and there is no 'alt-right.' Leftists latched on to 'alt-right' as a campaign slogan. That was just a cheap trick to lump disaffected conservatives in with non-leftist bigots. Anyone dull enough to accept that cheap trick is labeling the true conservatives at TBR as alt-right.

It would be good if you knew what you write.

I beg to differ.  The alt-right exists.  I come into contact with it often in the course of my business.  They use nationalism as a cover for serious bigotry and a warped interpretation of the Constitution as an excuse for depriving certain classes of people of their God given rights.  There are varations in what they believe, different degrees of support and motivation for that support,  but believe me the alt-right exists.

In the noise of the election I lost track of how definitely Trump disavowed the support of the alt-right, but I do know that they believe he supports their views.  Don't believe me,  check out their sites where you will find them celebrating his election and congratulating themselves for their part in his election.  I've heard from a number of that group in person.  They are elated.  They think with Trump as President they have a seat at the table.

[ConstitutionRose]

What is annoying is that they are relying on leftist derived information to make these accusations.   I just saw up above that "sinkspur"  was tossed (Thank you God!)  and I recall that He/She was constantly pulling information from known left wing sites like Huffington Post and such.   


Why would conservatives want to spread their propaganda?   The time to shoot one of ours in the head is *AFTER*  sufficient evidence has been presented of an irredeemable nature.   


The Liberals NEVER do this!   They simply accept the most evil rotten people and do not police themselves at all.    We should,  at the very least,   give one of ours the benefit of the doubt.

If we only read "approved" sources we are as guilty of living in a bubble as are liberals.  Our convictions should be able to stand a little exposure to the New York Times and (ugh) Huffington Post.  The fact that those sources are biased does not preclude the occasion of truth in their pages.  We need to exercise our conservative muscles outside our own little circles.  We really do need to know what others are thinking.

[Cripplecreek]

I beg to differ.  The alt-right exists.  I come into contact with it often in the course of my business.  They use nationalism as a cover for serious bigotry and a warped interpretation of the Constitution as an excuse for depriving certain classes of people of their God given rights.  There are varations in what they believe, different degrees of support and motivation for that support,  but believe me the alt-right exists.

In the noise of the election I lost track of how definitely Trump disavowed the support of the alt-right, but I do know that they believe he supports their views.  Don't believe me,  check out their sites where you will find them celebrating his election and congratulating themselves for their part in his election.  I've heard from a number of that group in person.  They are elated.  They think with Trump as President they have a seat at the table.

Yup. A Trump supporter on Twitter called me a "Matzo Ni**er" on twitter the other day. One of that poster's friends called me a Kike lover later the same day.

On facebook I'm seeing people I went to school with and thought were raised better cheering how Trump is ending "Jew Control" of America.

[Cripplecreek]

If we only read "approved" sources we are as guilty of living in a bubble as are liberals.  Our convictions should be able to stand a little exposure to the New York Times and (ugh) Huffington Post.  The fact that those sources are biased does not preclude the occasion of truth in their pages.  We need to exercise our conservative muscles outside our own little circles.  We really do need to know what others are thinking.

One of the main reasons I left TOS. I was sick of a bunch of self appointed "minders" dictating what was and wasn't an approved source.

[endicom]

@endicom

Let's stay focused here.  You claimed that the alt-right doesn't exist.   Are you going to get in touch with Bannon and tell him that?

I am focused and alt-right is but a catchall term adopted by the left for political purposes. To believe otherwise is to believe that white supremacist groups didn't exist before now.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

@Cripplecreek


Ben Shapiro and Dana Loesch both worked with Bannon and they share the same opinion of him.  When Trump hired him this summer, Loesch said it was a terrible decision.  She said that Bannon is the kind of man who is consumed with getting revenge; he  personally tried to ruin her career after she quit Breitbart.


http://therightscoop.com/dana-loesch-steve-bannon-is-one-of-the-worst-people-on-gods-green-earth/


http://www.theblaze.com/news/2016/11/14/dana-loesch-has-a-warning-for-america-about-steve-bannon/



http://www.dailywire.com/news/8441/i-know-trumps-new-campaign-chairman-steve-bannon-ben-shapiro

Honestly, Loesch's opinion seems to be nothing more than "he's a really mean guy".  Unless I missed it, she offered absolutely no details other than that.

And with Shapiro...I'd forgotten about the whole Michelle Fields thing, and that was the real impetus for him quitting.  He was absolutely incensed that Bannon sided with Trump on the Fields/Lewandowski controversy, and resigned from Breitbart the same day she did, citing her treatment.

The kicker is that the whole Fields thing basically fell apart.  The video didn't support her claim, and the prosecutor said the elements of an assault claim didn't exist.  So in all honestly, the articles you just linked actually lead me to discount anything Shapiro says against Bannon, because he's got this grudge stemming from the alleged assault on someone (Fields) I assume was a personal friend of his.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

I beg to differ.  The alt-right exists.  I come into contact with it often in the course of my business.  They use nationalism as a cover for serious bigotry and a warped interpretation of the Constitution as an excuse for depriving certain classes of people of their God given rights.  There are varations in what they believe, different degrees of support and motivation for that support,  but believe me the alt-right exists.

In the noise of the election I lost track of how definitely Trump disavowed the support of the alt-right, but I do know that they believe he supports their views.  Don't believe me,  check out their sites where you will find them celebrating his election and congratulating themselves for their part in his election.  I've heard from a number of that group in person.  They are elated.  They think with Trump as President they have a seat at the table.

The alt-right -- however you define it -- does exist at some level.  But the idea that Trump should be considered tainted because some racists within the alt-right (I don't think they're all racists, either) support him is simply unfair.   But here's how it happens:

There are plenty of people who want to limit immigration into this country for reasons that have nothing to do with racism, or ethnicity.  There are a good number of blacks and Latinos who feel that same way, not just white people.  These are Americans (of all races) uniting to limit immigration because they believe it will benefit Americans (of all races).  There also exist some racists - white nationalists -- who want to limit immigration into this country because they want to preserve it for (mostly) white people.  So they support curbs on immigration because they are racists. 

What that means if that you have two different groups who want to limit immigration, but for different reasons.  One legitimate, one illegitimate.  The existence of an illegitimate motive for limiting immigration should not taint those who want to limit it for legitimate, non-racist reasons.  But that's what is happening when people are saying "well, the racists are supporting Trump for some reason, so he clearly is doing something wrong/improper."

And that simply is not true.  The fact that someone with a nasty motive supports the same action you do does not mean that your morality is tainted.

[EC]

And that simply is not true.  The fact that someone with a nasty motive supports the same action you do does not mean that your morality is tainted.

Of course it doesn't. There are repulsive idiots everywhere, and sometimes you are going to be on the same side as them through no wish of your own.
It doesn't mean they don't exist. It also doesn't mean they should be validated in any way by the appearance of acceptance just because in this one instance they are on your side.

Donald Trump himself is no racist. I have said frequently that the only two colors he has given a damn about in 50 years are green and gold.

[Silver Pines]

I am focused and alt-right is but a catchall term adopted by the left for political purposes. To believe otherwise is to believe that white supremacist groups didn't exist before now.

@endicom

You can try and dodge all you like, but Bannon put the lie to your claim that the alt-right doesn't exist.

Further, he openly stated that Breitbart is the platform for the alt-right:

http://www.dailywire.com/news/10770/3-thoughts-steve-bannon-white-house-chief-ben-shapiro#

Ben Shapiro can tell you all about the alt-right:

http://www.dailywire.com/news/8638/what-alt-right-ben-shapiro#

"And they consider any resistance to actual racism and anti-Semitism to be “cuck” cowardice and social justice warrior whining."

"The conflation between tweeting hook-nosed Jew cartoons at Jews and fighting against the scourge of political correctness, which prevents honest discussions of serious issues, actually damages the cause of political incorrectness."

"And many of the anti-Semites and racists are surely real. Milo Yiannopoulos, popularizer of the alt-right, is the same fellow who tweeted me a picture of a black baby on the day my son was born because, as an anti-Trump conservative, I’m a “cuck” – a man who likes watching his wife have sex with black men. "

David French has quite a bit of experience with this bunch, as well:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/441319/donald-trump-alt-right-internet-abuse-never-trump-movement

"I saw images of my daughter’s face in gas chambers, with a smiling Trump in a Nazi uniform preparing to press a button and kill her. I saw her face photo-shopped into images of slaves. She was called a “niglet” and a “dindu.” The alt-right unleashed on my wife, Nancy, claiming that she had slept with black men while I was deployed to Iraq, and that I loved to watch while she had sex with “black bucks.” People sent her pornographic images of black men having sex with white women, with someone photoshopped to look like me, watching."

"In March, writer Bethany Mandel related her own experience. After tweeting about Trump’s anti-Semitic followers, she was called “slimy Jewess” and told that she “deserves the oven.” It got worse..."

Whether Bannon is himself a racist or not, he embraces the alt-right for his own purposes.  They are inexcusable, and so is he.

[Cripplecreek]

@endicom

You can try and dodge all you like, but Bannon put the lie to your claim that the alt-right doesn't exist.

Further, he openly stated that Breitbart is the platform for the alt-right:

http://www.dailywire.com/news/10770/3-thoughts-steve-bannon-white-house-chief-ben-shapiro#

Ben Shapiro can tell you all about the alt-right:

http://www.dailywire.com/news/8638/what-alt-right-ben-shapiro#

"And they consider any resistance to actual racism and anti-Semitism to be “cuck” cowardice and social justice warrior whining."

"The conflation between tweeting hook-nosed Jew cartoons at Jews and fighting against the scourge of political correctness, which prevents honest discussions of serious issues, actually damages the cause of political incorrectness."

"And many of the anti-Semites and racists are surely real. Milo Yiannopoulos, popularizer of the alt-right, is the same fellow who tweeted me a picture of a black baby on the day my son was born because, as an anti-Trump conservative, I’m a “cuck” – a man who likes watching his wife have sex with black men. "

David French has quite a bit of experience with this bunch, as well:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/441319/donald-trump-alt-right-internet-abuse-never-trump-movement

"I saw images of my daughter’s face in gas chambers, with a smiling Trump in a Nazi uniform preparing to press a button and kill her. I saw her face photo-shopped into images of slaves. She was called a “niglet” and a “dindu.” The alt-right unleashed on my wife, Nancy, claiming that she had slept with black men while I was deployed to Iraq, and that I loved to watch while she had sex with “black bucks.” People sent her pornographic images of black men having sex with white women, with someone photoshopped to look like me, watching."

"In March, writer Bethany Mandel related her own experience. After tweeting about Trump’s anti-Semitic followers, she was called “slimy Jewess” and told that she “deserves the oven.” It got worse..."

Whether Bannon is himself a racist or not, he embraces the alt-right for his own purposes.  They are inexcusable, and so is he.

And now they'll turn to the old standby. "Its a false flag operation conducted by the left"

[Silver Pines]

@Maj. Bill Martin

Honestly, Loesch's opinion seems to be nothing more than "he's a really mean guy".  Unless I missed it, she offered absolutely no details other than that.

Feel free to disregard her, then.  Legal issues are, I believe, ongoing between them.

And with Shapiro...I'd forgotten about the whole Michelle Fields thing, and that was the real impetus for him quitting.  He was absolutely incensed that Bannon sided with Trump on the Fields/Lewandowski controversy, and resigned from Breitbart the same day she did, citing her treatment.

He did, and good on him.

The kicker is that the whole Fields thing basically fell apart.  The video didn't support her claim, and the prosecutor said the elements of an assault claim didn't exist.  So in all honestly, the articles you just linked actually lead me to discount anything Shapiro says against Bannon, because he's got this grudge stemming from the alleged assault on someone (Fields) I assume was a personal friend of his.

Right, it's all a conspiracy against Bannon.  Frankly, I don't see the point of "leading" you to anything, as you'll automatically discount the source.  You can do your own research.  Or not.

I'd say that Shapiro resigned due to his basic decency and his understanding of how women should be treated (a notably decreasing character trait among some conservative men).  One of the reasons Florida declined to prosecute Lewandoski was doubt that a jury would convict him of assault, even though the video did show his actions met the legal definition, despite what you claim. 

[Silver Pines]

And now they'll turn to the old standby. "Its a false flag operation conducted by the left"

I wish I had a dollar for every time I've seen that.

[Frank Cannon]

I wish I had a dollar for every time I've seen that.

Remeber: You will love everything Trump or be considered a Leftist heretic.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

@Maj. Bill Martin

Right, it's all a conspiracy against Bannon.

No, that's not the point.  The point is that there isn't enough objective evidence to prove it one way or the other.  I'm a lawyer, and that's what i look for.

For example, there are plenty of jews very familiar with him who say the claims of antisemitism are absurd.  Where is the compelling evidence that they should be disbelieved?

Frankly, I don't see the point of "leading" you to anything, as you'll automatically discount the source.  You can do your own research.  Or not.

Show me an article or something that he wrote, or a specific statement that we can confirm he made, which you believe proves he is anti-semitic or racist.  He may well be, but i really hadn't even heard of this guy until the last week or so.  So i'm just asking for some proof.

I'd say that Shapiro resigned due to his basic decency and his understanding of how women should be treated (a notably decreasing character trait among some conservative men).  One of the reasons Florida declined to prosecute Lewandoski was doubt that a jury would convict him of assault, even though the video did show his actions met the legal definition, despite what you claim.

So it wasn't racism or antisemitism....

Under the legal definition, probably 75% of Americans have committed an "assault" witjon the last couple of months or so.  If you have ever been in a crowd at a ballgame or elsewhere, you almost certainly have.  I had no opinion until i saw the video, and once i did, her claim honestly looks like just an attention grab.

And actually, you are misrepresenting what the prosecutor said.   They said there was probable cause to believe, atht eto.e of the arrest, that a crime had been committed.  But there was insuffient evidence that all the elements of the crime could be proven, so there was mo case for trial.

I'm not defending either Trump or Bannon.  I'm defending the idea that we get actual evidence, rather than relying on agenda-driven media, before reaching conclusions.  Because the next time, the media will be trying the same kind of character assassination against someone we like much more.

[txradioguy]

Remeber: You will love everything Trump or be considered a Leftist heretic.

[Hoodat]

http://www.dailywire.com/news/8441/i-know-trumps-new-campaign-chairman-steve-bannon-ben-shapiro

I wholeheartedly trust Ben Shapiro, a man of unwavering principle.

[Hoodat]

Is that the new Trump flair?

[Free Vulcan]

Whether Bannon is or is not an anti-semetic is a matter of debate, I do find it curious though that the media is now suddenly complaining about it that after 8 years of Obama.

[Sanguine]

Whether Bannon is or is not an anti-semetic is a matter of debate, I do find it curious though that the media is now suddenly complaining about it that after 8 years of Obama.

Maybe because 0bama is clearly anti-Semitic? 

[txradioguy]

Is that the new Trump flair?

LOL no. It's what I feel like Conservatives who didn't support Trump will be wearing soon.

[CSM]

Wanting the U.S. to have a constitution is nationalist. Wanting the U.S. to have borders is nationalist. Wanting the U.S. to have a military force is nationalist. Should he be internationalist?

Not true.  Nationalism by definition, and in practice, originates from 1930's Germany.  It is very clear and any attempt to change it today is simply the embracing of the neo-nazi white power groups in America.  We need to be very careful and clear that we do not accept them in any way, shape or form.

Let me be clear, I am not "accusing" you of embracing them.  I think that you are simply stating a "phrase" that you have seen posted around and "seems to make sense" when taken out of historical context.  However, in the end if we accept these phrases, then we are truly accepting white power nationalists.  Let's work together to keep them out of our ranks.

What you ARE referencing is AMERICANISM.  That has a completely different meaning that could not be more opposed to NATIONALISM. 

The fact is that Bannon has stated that he "rebuilt Brietbart to be the face of the 'alt-right.'"  He full well knows that the reference of alt-right IS a reference to white nationalists.  Period.  He is proud of that fact.  Trump should not be embracing this man, much like Obama should not have been embracing Van Jones.  We have plenty of good people that Trump can pick for his staff.  He doesn't need Bannon.