'The Walking Dead' Premiere Didn't Go Down Well With Conservative Groups

[musiclady]

I find it funny that if folks question the wisdom of airing certain shows during prime time they get accused of wanting censorship.

I'm not sure, but I think it may be a defense mechanism.

The ones here screaming "censorship!" haven't thought things through.  They're reacting emotionally.

[XenaLee]

Spot on @XenaLee

I grew up in a 18 state -allowed to drink in bars at age 18.

All my siblings including myself went to Catholic school.  My sister who is now 59 said she and her female friends would ride their bicyles to the local hot spot bar and drink there while in HS. They did not drive because the parents would check out the parking lot for their cars.

I drank at the same spot while in HS when I was 17 because I had my brothers college ID and we looked alike.

I did way worse than above btw..I was a hedonistic little thing.

MY dad was street smart..he knew what was going on but my mom was totally naive.

It was probably the only way she could have gotten thru your teenage years with her sanity intact.  And same here.  I was a total brat as a teenager.  Hey.....it was my job and sworn duty, after all.....lolol.  And even my mom said that compared to what the teens of today pull, I was an angel.  My mom at least didn't have to worry about the drug craze.

[XenaLee]

I guess you didn't read the article, and reacted emotionally and defensively rather than thoughtfully, so I'll let you know what it says.....

And I guess you didn't comprehend what the article concluded.  That what this group wants is indeed censorship.....not "self-censorship".

In that sense, this really does become a question of censorship: The PTC is, in effect, saying that The Walking Dead has gone too far, and positioning itself as a suitable arbiter for deciding what else is or isn't appropriate. For better or for worse, that road leads to censorship, and to certain shows being deemed "unsuitable," "immoral," and, if history has taught us anything about how these things tend to go, "un-American."

The suggestion is not that the shows be "censored," but that families have to option NOT to get that particular channel from their cable package so they have more control at home, or not be forced to subsidize violence because there is no choice as to what channels and programming come into your home.

Ah....but how would that help when their little darlings are at the neighbor's house, as you previously suggested?  Even IF parents could cherry-pick and choose which channels to pay for....they'd still have to worry about that.  And natch, their little darlings would have more reason to want to go to the neighbors if parents could self-censor.

Nowhere is there mention, here or elsewhere, of parents who let their children watch the show and then "bitch about it."   I imagine that most parents who don't care about what their kids watch and are irresponsible enough to think it's OK for their kids to watch this kind of horror aren't the ones complaining.  So unless you have evidence that this parents group consists of very confused parents, your point is moot and your argument has no basis in fact.

No, I was going by and responding to what AbaraXas posted.  That's still allowed here, isn't it? 

It's real simple.  If your kids are that 'good'....just instruct them never to watch the shows you find offensive.  That'll work.  Right?

All I have talked about is self-censorship.  That production companies should know what is a "bridge too far" for television that comes into homes where children may be watching.  The article is referring to controls over which channels are in your cable package and which aren't.  I'm talking about responsible producers.

Ehhh.....with all due respect, that is not how what you posted came off.  How 'else' could one interpret your comment about "wanting disgusting material off the air"?  Wanting the show off the air IS, in fact, seeking censorship.  It is NOT self-censorship.

And, IMO, attacking parents who want disgusting material off the air by calling it censorship is also not fair.  I think it's important for people who care about culture rot to continue to speak up.

My husband and I have talked about it for years.  Why are we forced to pay for hundreds of channels we never watch, and in essence, support things financially that we don't participate in, or what we strongly disapprove of?

It's a legitimate question.

Like I said previously, I disapprove of MANY shows on cable TV these days.  Shows that I'm also paying for.  If you don't like paying for certain shows, take it up with your cable tv provider.  It's not my fault.  But wanting to have a certain show that you disapprove of 'removed' from viewing is censorship, in all of its ugly glory.  And yes, when you deign to make decisions for everyone else, that smacks of fascism to me.

And your accusing me of agreeing with fascism is just dumb.

Sorry.

And since you brought up and mentioned Trump, it (parents' attempted censorship and/or removal of "certain shows" from tv viewing) also smacks of something the Trump camp would do (See:  zotting and censoring of any speech they deem "offensive").

btw, the argument you're using has been used by many who are trying to excuse Donald Trump's abuse of women.  That's just the way men are.  Doesn't cut it either way.

Again, I have a problem with anyone trying to dictate to ME what I should or shouldn't, can or can't do these days.  Just sayin.....

[sneakypete]

Some folks just aren't bright enough to recognize that a load willingly shared is not communism, its community and cooperation.

Communism is done through force.

@Cripplecreek

Uh,huh. Only bright people believe in myths like life after death and a "Big Ranger in the Sky that hears all,sees all,and takes notes".

As for Christianity not being done though force,you HAVE heard of the Catholic Church,haven't you?

[sneakypete]

I find it funny that if folks question the wisdom of airing certain shows during prime time they get accused of wanting censorship.

@Idaho_Cowboy

What do YOU call it,"ALLOWING other people the freedom to view what they want to view"?

[Free Vulcan]

@Cripplecreek

Uh,huh. Only bright people believe in myths like life after death and a "Big Ranger in the Sky that hears all,sees all,and takes notes".

As for Christianity not being done though force,you HAVE heard of the Catholic Church,haven't you?

Yes, which is sort of why the Reformation happened.

[musiclady]

Ah....but how would that help when their little darlings are at the neighbor's house, as you previously suggested?  Even IF parents could cherry-pick and choose which channels to pay for....they'd still have to worry about that.  And natch, their little darlings would have more reason to want to go to the neighbors if parents could self-censor.

No, I was going by and responding to what AbaraXas posted.  That's still allowed here, isn't it? 

It's real simple.  If your kids are that 'good'....just instruct them never to watch the shows you find offensive.  That'll work.  Right?

Ehhh.....with all due respect, that is not how what you posted came off.  How 'else' could one interpret your comment about "wanting disgusting material off the air"?  Wanting the show off the air IS, in fact, seeking censorship.  It is NOT self-censorship.


Like I said previously, I disapprove of MANY shows on cable TV these days.  Shows that I'm also paying for.  If you don't like paying for certain shows, take it up with your cable tv provider.  It's not my fault.  But wanting to have a certain show that you disapprove of 'removed' from viewing is censorship, in all of its ugly glory.  And yes, when you deign to make decisions for everyone else, that smacks of fascism to me.

And since you brought up and mentioned Trump, it (parents' attempted censorship and/or removal of "certain shows" from tv viewing) also smacks of something the Trump camp would do (See:  zotting and censoring of any speech they deem "offensive").

Again, I have a problem with anyone trying to dictate to ME what I should or shouldn't, can or can't do these days.  Just sayin.....

And yet, you are quite comfortable with making false assumptions and putting words in my mouth that I don't think, or didn't say, as well as dictating to ME what I should say or think.  If you gripe about my freedom to express myself, perhaps you shouldn't take for granted your right to express yourself.  That's what this forum is all about.

I see your intense distaste for having someone say that networks should monitor themselves and not put certain shows on the air.  But don't jump off the cliff and call it censorship or fascism.  It makes you look like you're out of control, and not being rational.

Actually, when I read your words of excess I think maybe you're still suffering from TOS PTSD.  Your responses are to people THERE who actually do want censorship, not to the people HERE who are making reasonable arguments for self-censorship and personal responsibility.  The emotion and anger in your posts is not a rational response to the arguments being made here.

And you apparently don't believe there actually are good parents and good kids out there, and for that I feel sorry for you.

btw, my husband and I have taken the subject up with the cable company multiple times.  I still have the right to state an opinion about it here, your protestations notwithstanding.

[sneakypete]

What subsidies? There's crop insurance and conservation programs. The subsidy is long gone. And I have no problem them paying lower property taxes on unimproved land. All trucks in my state have to have plates regardless of use.

If they were making big money at farming, they wouldn't need jobs and side businesses. They pull in other income because unless you are very large, farming today doesn't make that much.

@Free Vulcan

Are you trying to claim the farm programs where farmers are paid to NOT grow crops has been ended?

I would almost bet you are wrong about the license plate thing,too. All they have to do is put a plate that says "Farm Use" on their trucks and they are legal as long as they are only driving it within a certain distance from their farm. I know some that don't even bother to do that. They just paint "Farm Use" on their tailgates. Most put regular plates on their daily driver new  pu's,but don't bother to tag their flatbeds.

And you second statement defies reality. Unless of course  you believe that a successful farmer doesn't want or need "more money". I guess the rumors about people like Soros and Buffett investing more money for more profits are wrong,because they already have enough money,right?

[Idaho_Cowboy]

@Idaho_Cowboy

What do YOU call it,"ALLOWING other people the freedom to view what they want to view"?

It's the difference between a lamentation and a call for a new law.

Look at it this way. If I say "that's a stupid thing to do" that's not the same as saying "that ought to be illegal." Or if I say it would be nice If I could watch prime time TV with my kiddos isn't the same as saying that the government needs to do something about it. Just because people have the right doesn't mean it's a good idea.

I wish modern country music sounded more like country music. That doesn't mean I want the gubmint to mandate every country band have twin fiddles and a steel guitar. What it means is I wish there were more like minded consumers to myself to increase the demand for said product. Be it good ole twangy country or wholesome Andy Griffith kind of TV programming.

As another example. I don't take your hostility for my faith to mean that you the government to stop my from practicing it; same thought applies here.

Just my dos centavos.

[sneakypete]

There is no one more lacking in intelligent responses than a knee-jerk atheist.

@musiclady

Unless it would be someone that believes in fairy tales like life after death,a magical fairy that lives in the sky that sees all,knows all,and punishes the rats in  his maze that don't follow orders.

Not to mention people don't understand that "community" is the root word communism comes from,and that ALL communists are happy workers who are willing to share with others. If you don't believe it,just ask the dictators that control the country they live in.

[sneakypete]

I'm not sure, but I think it may be a defense mechanism.

The ones here screaming "censorship!" haven't thought things through.  They're reacting emotionally.

@musiclady

You really do live in an alternate universe,don't you?

[Free Vulcan]

@Free Vulcan  crop subsidies are still very much in use.  Our local paper prints by law every year what each farmer receives in our area.

You are correct, I have not kept up with legislation. ARC and PLC are counter-cyclical payments. While not direct subsidies, they are close enough. Still, they only trigger in bad times and not a guaranteed thing.

I know farmers get alot of perks in some areas. Here in Iowa they get tax free fuel and that's about it. Most are pretty efficient.

[Idaho_Cowboy]

@musiclady

Unless it would be someone that believes in fairy tales like life after death,a magical fairy that lives in the sky that sees all,knows all,and punishes the rats in  his maze that don't follow orders.

Not to mention people don't understand that "community" is the root word communism comes from,and that ALL communists are happy workers who are willing to share with others. If you don't believe it,just ask the dictators that control the country they live in.

I also find it amusing you never actually want to name the God you like to slander. Your beef isn't really with the little people or the brownies it's with Jehovah you might as well say so.

Besides, if you read your Bible as much as you claim you used to; you'd know it's chock full of people asking "how long o Lord?" If God used laser guided karma to keep things in line it'd be a different story.

[Free Vulcan]

@Free Vulcan

Are you trying to claim the farm programs where farmers are paid to NOT grow crops has been ended?

I would almost bet you are wrong about the license plate thing,too. All they have to do is put a plate that says "Farm Use" on their trucks and they are legal as long as they are only driving it within a certain distance from their farm. I know some that don't even bother to do that. They just paint "Farm Use" on their tailgates. Most put regular plates on their daily driver new  pu's,but don't bother to tag their flatbeds.

And you second statement defies reality. Unless of course  you believe that a successful farmer doesn't want or need "more money". I guess the rumors about people like Soros and Buffett investing more money for more profits are wrong,because they already have enough money,right?

Not in Iowa. All vehicles must be licensed. And farm conservation programs are not subsidies, they are primarily for erosion control and soil management.

And most businessmen will not shy from more profit, but most farmers would just like to farm and be done with it, not work a full-time job or do side businesses out of necessity.

[sneakypete]

Yes, which is sort of why the Reformation happened.

@Free Vulcan

And various religious sects have been seeking to gain the power the Catholic Church had before the Reformation started ever since it ended. The Catholic Church itself never gave up it's quest for world domination. It wasn't that long ago that the loons in Ireland were murdering each other and their families to try to "keep Ireland Catholic". Before that they were allies with the Nazi's during WW-2. Today they are hiding behind the term "Liberation Theology" and Rome is trying to pretend they have never heard of it.

AND,every other religious sect,Christian or otherwise,is also in the mix,trying to grab all the power they can grab for themselves so they can shut down the competition.

[Idaho_Cowboy]

@Free Vulcan

And various religious sects have been seeking to gain the power the Catholic Church had before the Reformation started ever since it ended. The Catholic Church itself never gave up it's quest for world domination. It wasn't that long ago that the loons in Ireland were murdering each other and their families to try to "keep Ireland Catholic". Before that they were allies with the Nazi's during WW-2. Today they are hiding behind the term "Liberation Theology" and Rome is trying to pretend they have never heard of it.

AND,every other religious sect,Christian or otherwise,is also in the mix,trying to grab all the power they can grab for themselves so they can shut down the competition.

I hardly think that's fair. Many denominations including a growing number of non denominational churches don't have any central organization what so ever to seek any political power with. 

You are free to kick against the pricks @sneakypete , we're not the ones out to get you.

[sneakypete]

It's the difference between a lamentation and a call for a new law.

Look at it this way. If I say "that's a stupid thing to do" that's not the same as saying "that ought to be illegal." Or if I say it would be nice If I could watch prime time TV with my kiddos isn't the same as saying that the government needs to do something about it. Just because people have the right doesn't mean it's a good idea.

I wish modern country music sounded more like country music. That doesn't mean I want the gubmint to mandate every country band have twin fiddles and a steel guitar. What it means is I wish there were more like minded consumers to myself to increase the demand for said product. Be it good ole twangy country or wholesome Andy Griffith kind of TV programming.

As another example. I don't take your hostility for my faith to mean that you the government to stop my from practicing it; same thought applies here.

Just my dos centavos.

@Idaho_Cowboy
Ok,I can go along with all that as long as you can accept that those are your desires,not a mandate the government should enforce. The problems happen when religious leaders,or any other form of charlatan,decide to grab these issues in order to grab the publicity spotlight,and organizes a "crusade against violence/porn/anti-family values/etc,etc,etc,and the members of his flock pick up the ball and run with it.

When it does happen,the result is crap like Sunday Blue Laws,bans on dancing,and censorship of the media.

[Free Vulcan]

@Free Vulcan

And various religious sects have been seeking to gain the power the Catholic Church had before the Reformation started ever since it ended. The Catholic Church itself never gave up it's quest for world domination. It wasn't that long ago that the loons in Ireland were murdering each other and their families to try to "keep Ireland Catholic". Before that they were allies with the Nazi's during WW-2. Today they are hiding behind the term "Liberation Theology" and Rome is trying to pretend they have never heard of it.

AND,every other religious sect,Christian or otherwise,is also in the mix,trying to grab all the power they can grab for themselves so they can shut down the competition.

Don't care, I'm not Catholic. Or Mormon. Or any other type of organized religion. My church nor any of the local ones were ever trying to grab power. We mostly were trying to survive the constant onslaught of insults and intimidation by those in our beloved blue collar Union Dem community that hated the existence of Christians, because they thought everyone should be drinking, drugging, whoring, hedonist, cheating, thieving, unbelieving atheists, agnostics and anarchists just like them.

[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

Not in Iowa. All vehicles must be licensed. And farm conservation programs are not subsidies, they are primarily for erosion control and soil management.

And most businessmen will not shy from more profit, but most farmers would just like to farm and be done with it, not work a full-time job or do side businesses out of necessity.

But what about "the months they aren't farming"?

[XenaLee]

And yet, you are quite comfortable with making false assumptions and putting words in my mouth that I don't think, or didn't say, as well as dictating to ME what I should say or think.  If you gripe about my freedom to express myself, perhaps you shouldn't take for granted your right to express yourself.  That's what this forum is all about.

First of all....you're the one that ""took exception"" to what I posted and engaged me in this thread....and essentially proclaimed that my argument or point was "moot".

Secondly, many times when I use the word "you" I actually mean "them" or "they"...my bad....referring to the parents who seek to censor certain shows.  It's nothing personal, even if you chose to take it that way.  And with all due respect, you're the one that seems to be reacting rather emotionally to this entire discussion.  Maybe you should take a step back and breathe...lol.

I see your intense distaste for having someone say that networks should monitor themselves and not put certain shows on the air.  But don't jump off the cliff and call it censorship or fascism.  It makes you look like you're out of control, and not being rational.

There you go again....another passive aggressive/reacharound insult....tsk tsk.  Even the article concluded that it was CENSORSHIP.  Perhaps you should go back and read it again...?

Actually, when I read your words of excess I think maybe you're still suffering from TOS PTSD.  Your responses are to people THERE who actually do want censorship, not to the people HERE who are making reasonable arguments for self-censorship and personal responsibility.  The emotion and anger in your posts is not a rational response to the arguments being made here.

Oh for fux sake.  Really???

And again....it's not "self-censorship" if parents (like you?) want a show "off the air".

You're the one that comes off as angry here, musiclady.  Angry and irrational....since I keep having to point out to you the conclusion made in the article posted....and the only conclusion people could make from your own words.  Wanting "disgusting material" off the air is censorship....no matter how vehemently you try to claim otherwise.

And, IMO, attacking parents who want disgusting material off the air by calling it censorship is also not fair.  I think it's important for people who care about culture rot to continue to speak up.

And you apparently don't believe there actually are good parents and good kids out there, and for that I feel sorry for you.

Where, exactly, have I ever said that???  My ire is directed at parents that are NOT good parents and yet then blame others for their sucky parenting skills.  And again, there are good kids out there that parents do not have to worry about.  I never claimed otherwise.  And here you go again...with yet another passive-aggressive insult.  Good grief.  Do you just like to fight with everybody?

btw, my husband and I have taken the subject up with the cable company multiple times.  I still have the right to state an opinion about it here, your protestations notwithstanding.

Lolol!   Simply ah-mazing.

[sneakypete]

I also find it amusing you never actually want to name the God you like to slander. Your beef isn't really with the little people or the brownies it's with Jehovah you might as well say so.

Besides, if you read your Bible as much as you claim you used to; you'd know it's chock full of people asking "how long o Lord?" If God used laser guided karma to keep things in line it'd be a different story.

@Idaho_Cowboy

You mean there are more than one?

I was speaking out against the one known as Rufus in my last reply to you,but what I said goes for them all,regardless of their alias.

And I prefer my fiction reading to be more entertaining and less violent than the Bible.

[Free Vulcan]

But what about "the months they aren't farming"?

Yeah, I don't know many farmers that have months where they 'aren't farming'. Especially if they have livestock. There is always something to do on the farm. Always.

[sneakypete]

Not in Iowa. All vehicles must be licensed. And farm conservation programs are not subsidies, they are primarily for erosion control and soil management.

And most businessmen will not shy from more profit, but most farmers would just like to farm and be done with it, not work a full-time job or do side businesses out of necessity.

@Free Vulcan

"And farm conservation programs are not subsidies"

Uh,huh. Pull my finger.

"And most businessmen will not shy from more profit, but most farmers would just like to farm and be done with it, not work a full-time job or do side businesses out of necessity."

ROFLMAO! Do you know any actual farmers that farm more than a "hobby plot"? I know a couple that are multi-millionaires farming land that has been in their families for over 100 years that do their farming AND hold down 1 full-time job and finances a couple of other enterprises as partners.

Do you REALLY think the big (as opposed to the corporate family farm) corporate farmers limit their profits to the money they pull out of farming,or do you think they invest it in other businesses?

[Idaho_Cowboy]

Yeah, I don't know many farmers that have months where they 'aren't farming'. Especially if they have livestock. There is always something to do on the farm. Always.

It's kind of like months when I'm not gardening...

[thackney]

Not in Iowa. All vehicles must be licensed. And farm conservation programs are not subsidies, they are primarily for erosion control and soil management.

And most businessmen will not shy from more profit, but most farmers would just like to farm and be done with it, not work a full-time job or do side businesses out of necessity.

Exemption saves some vehicle-registration fees
http://www.iowafarmertoday.com/news/regional/exemption-saves-some-vehicle-registration-fees/article_bc8c2682-0639-11e1-8b69-001cc4c002e0.html

Buy a $20,000 vehicle to get to work and back, buy groceries and get the kids to practice, and Iowa takes $1,000 in new-vehicle registration fees.

Buy that same $20,000 pickup to run feed from market to farm, and you can keep that $1,000.

The animal-husbandry exemption on new-vehicle registration fees is one of dozens of rebates and waivers the state gives to motorists using Iowa roads.

They range from fuel-tax rebates for farm implements to breaks on registration fees for trucks used for businesses, and registration waivers for trailers  used specifically for displays on patriotic holidays.

The exemptions, refunds and waivers are peppered throughout state code, and there’s no telling how much the state would gain in tax revenue each year if it eliminated them....

[sneakypete]

I hardly think that's fair. Many denominations including a growing number of non denominational churches don't have any central organization what so ever to seek any political power with. 

You are free to kick against the pricks @sneakypete , we're not the ones out to get you.

@Idaho_Cowboy

I'll admit you are right on the non-denominational churches,but they are the exception,not the rule. As far as I know,for the most part they do their thing and bother no one.

[musiclady]

@musiclady

Unless it would be someone that believes in fairy tales like life after death,a magical fairy that lives in the sky that sees all,knows all,and punishes the rats in  his maze that don't follow orders.

Not to mention people don't understand that "community" is the root word communism comes from,and that ALL communists are happy workers who are willing to share with others. If you don't believe it,just ask the dictators that control the country they live in.

You don't think at all rationally, nor logically on this subject.

Caring for each other in a community (root of the word notwithstanding) as it happened in the New Testament, and in small towns and villages, as well as churches all across the country, is a group of people caring about each other, help those in need, the poor, the widows, the orphans, members of ones own family, etc.

It is the precise opposite of Communism, imposed by a government.  The OPPOSITE.

If there were more community, we wouldn't have people begging the government to take care of them. 

You will argue in circles if you say it's the same thing, because what you are arguing is absolutely false.

Christians who care for each other want LESS government, not more.

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

And sometimes I think you DO try to be as wrong as you can be.  I haven't figured out yet if you're as angry and irrational as you come across online, or if you're just a provocateur with a morbid sense of humor.

Doesn't really matter.

You're dead wrong.

[Free Vulcan]

@Free Vulcan

"And farm conservation programs are not subsidies"

Uh,huh. Pull my finger.

"And most businessmen will not shy from more profit, but most farmers would just like to farm and be done with it, not work a full-time job or do side businesses out of necessity."

ROFLMAO! Do you know any actual farmers that farm more than a "hobby plot"? I know a couple that are multi-millionaires farming land that has been in their families for over 100 years that do their farming AND hold down 1 full-time job and finances a couple of other enterprises as partners.

Do you REALLY think the big (as opposed to the corporate family farm) corporate farmers limit their profits to the money they pull out of farming,or do you think they invest it in other businesses?

I live in rural Iowa. You know, the farm state. I'm about as immersed in it as you're going to get. I don't know any hobby farmers, just real ones. And here, most farmers would simply like to do that full time, if they could.

Yes, some invest in businesses and coops to vertically integrate, but they're still in the business. Not sure what you're point there.

And you can call the conservation programs whatever you like. It's your opinion, and like buttholes everyone's got one, and they all stink.

[sneakypete]

You don't think at all rationally, nor logically on this subject.

Caring for each other in a community (root of the word notwithstanding) as it happened in the New Testament, and in small towns and villages, as well as churches all across the country, is a group of people caring about each other, help those in need, the poor, the widows, the orphans, members of ones own family, etc.

It is the precise opposite of Communism, imposed by a government.  The OPPOSITE.

If there were more community, we wouldn't have people begging the government to take care of them. 

You will argue in circles if you say it's the same thing, because what you are arguing is absolutely false.

Christians who care for each other want LESS government, not more.

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

And sometimes I think you DO try to be as wrong as you can be.  I haven't figured out yet if you're as angry and irrational as you come across online, or if you're just a provocateur with a morbid sense of humor.

Doesn't really matter.

You're dead wrong.

@musiclady


"Caring for each other in a community (root of the word notwithstanding) as it happened in the New Testament"

Uhhhh,what happened to the Original Testament,the original Word of God? Was it broken and have to be fixed?

[musiclady]

@musiclady


"Caring for each other in a community (root of the word notwithstanding) as it happened in the New Testament"

Uhhhh,what happened to the Original Testament,the original Word of God? Was it broken and have to be fixed?

And I bet you think you're clever.....  Yikes. 

(I hope some day you realize how absolutely STUPID your posts can be to anyone with a functioning brain).

[Free Vulcan]

Exemption saves some vehicle-registration fees
http://www.iowafarmertoday.com/news/regional/exemption-saves-some-vehicle-registration-fees/article_bc8c2682-0639-11e1-8b69-001cc4c002e0.html

Buy a $20,000 vehicle to get to work and back, buy groceries and get the kids to practice, and Iowa takes $1,000 in new-vehicle registration fees.

Buy that same $20,000 pickup to run feed from market to farm, and you can keep that $1,000.

The animal-husbandry exemption on new-vehicle registration fees is one of dozens of rebates and waivers the state gives to motorists using Iowa roads.

They range from fuel-tax rebates for farm implements to breaks on registration fees for trucks used for businesses, and registration waivers for trailers  used specifically for displays on patriotic holidays.

The exemptions, refunds and waivers are peppered throughout state code, and there’s no telling how much the state would gain in tax revenue each year if it eliminated them....

True. I don't deny the funding aspect. I've never liked the Iowa tax code, we do the high-tax-then-give-credits routine to those of special interest. We've needed to flatten alot of things for a long time.

In sum though, Iowa is pretty low in the perks it give farms. Fuel tax and license registration rebates are about the sum of it.

[Idaho_Cowboy]

@musiclady


"Caring for each other in a community (root of the word notwithstanding) as it happened in the New Testament"

Uhhhh,what happened to the Original Testament,the original Word of God? Was it broken and have to be fixed?

II Thessalonians 3:10 "For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat." That whole going around in one accord didn't last very long. In fact the Bible teaches in both testaments to help those in need voluntarily; you can't force people to give with true charity.
Other Historians have talked about it, and Bradford's journal used to be required reading in school way back when, but the Pilgrims thought that they could put everything in a common store and it didn't work so well. Fascinating story if you have the time to read or listen:
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/11/26/rush-limbaugh-tells-the-true-story-of-thanksgiving/
 
The old Testament was fulfilled. With the exception of the laws God gave Israel as a theocracy it's still very valid (not that the theocratic laws aren't, but not as directly) and applicable to today. A surprising amount of the New Testament is quotes from the Old Testament.

[Sanguine]

Is this a thread about a TV show?

[Free Vulcan]

Is this a thread about a TV show?

Hahaha. I'm almost pining for the FR days of long meandering offtopic threads.

Yes it is about a TV show. And censorship. And apparently farming and religion too. 

[Idaho_Cowboy]

Is this a thread about a TV show?

We get easily distracted.

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[musiclady]

Although protecting children from violence and smut isn't a problem I have, I do have family and friends who are desperately trying to do everything possible to do just that. It's really just impossible unless you can be with every kid at every moment of every day. (I'm sure their friends will be thrilled that the kid's parent comes along with the kid on an overnight stay!) Staying vigilant in an attempt to shield your kids leaves you with no life of your own.

I'm geared toward wholesome programming, so I don't see any of this stuff, but I have had friends and co-workers who have said on several occasions that they wished they hadn't seen this movie or that TV show and desperately wished they could unsee it. Just the few things I accidentally overhear are enough to provide an explanation of how society became so degraded in such a short period of time.

I really don't know how one could protect their children in this era. Even refusing to have a TV in the house would only partially protect them since TVs are ubiquitous. And of course we live in the age of computers where the creepiest of material is a click away. Don't tell me that stuff doesn't have an effect on one's soul.

I am so grateful to have grown up in the era of Dick Van Dyke, Danny Thomas, Bonanza, Sky King, Wyatt Earp, Ed Sullivan, Wagon Train, American Bandstand, etc.

So am I!  And even my children who are in their thirties had a choice of good programming and absolutely no slasher garbage on TV.  We didn't have parental controls because we didn't really need them.

You are so right, though, about how quickly our culture has degraded.

I just can't see why anyone is up in arms about asking for responsible programming from executives on TV, and why they are screeching "CENSORSHIP!" when the article itself is about choices in cable programming, and the discussion has been about responsibility.

The knee jerk reactions are instructive.  Some folks apparently don't even want the discussion to take place.

And to me, that's a heck of a lot closer to censorship than an open discussion with all sides being represented, and simply asking for responsibility from the cable companies and the executive producers.

You can't take horrible images out of your mind once they've been put there.  There's going to be some long term damage for people who watch this kind of butchery.  Especially the young ones.

@AllThatJazzZ

[Smokin Joe]

I guess you didn't read the article, and reacted emotionally and defensively rather than thoughtfully, so I'll let you know what it says.....

The suggestion is not that the shows be "censored," but that families have to option NOT to get that particular channel from their cable package so they have more control at home, or not be forced to subsidize violence because there is no choice as to what channels and programming come into your home.

Nowhere is there mention, here or elsewhere, of parents who let their children watch the show and then "bitch about it."   I imagine that most parents who don't care about what their kids watch and are irresponsible enough to think it's OK for their kids to watch this kind of horror aren't the ones complaining.  So unless you have evidence that this parents group consists of very confused parents, your point is moot and your argument has no basis in fact.

All I have talked about is self-censorship.  That production companies should know what is a "bridge too far" for television that comes into homes where children may be watching.  The article is referring to controls over which channels are in your cable package and which aren't.  I'm talking about responsible producers.

My husband and I have talked about it for years.  Why are we forced to pay for hundreds of channels we never watch, and in essence, support things financially that we don't participate in, or what we strongly disapprove of?

It's a legitimate question.

And your accusing me of agreeing with fascism is just dumb.

Sorry.

@XenaLee

I'm all for a more a la carte approach to cable. I'd much rather get RFD than Viceland, for instance. I don't care about ellen degenerates' gaycation. No thanks. So why do I have to pay for that channel? I'd rather watch shows about classic tractors, as odd as that may seem to some.

Besides, I'm usually up at 4 AM and most of what is on cable are infomercials. While that hasn't irritated me quite enough to tell the cable company to shut it down and go to a dish, I'm close, but even that isn't necessarily a cure.

[thackney]

Besides, I'm usually up at 4 AM and most of what is on cable are infomercials. While that hasn't irritated me quite enough to tell the cable company to shut it down and go to a dish, I'm close, but even that isn't necessarily a cure.

I'm on a dish, since the wires don't seem to stretch out this far.  I see NO improvement on a dish over the choices I had when we were "in town".

[Sanguine]

We get easily distracted.

Great cartoon!

[sneakypete]

And I bet you think you're clever.....  Yikes. 

(I hope some day you realize how absolutely STUPID your posts can be to anyone with a functioning brain).

@musiclady

Yes,I do. I don't believe in fairy tales,either.

BTW,are you going to tell us what was wrong with "The Original Word of God/The (now)Old Testament",and why it had to be replaced with a New Testament/Word of God?

Something broken so a "New and Improved God's Word" had to replace it?

[sneakypete]

True. I don't deny the funding aspect. I've never liked the Iowa tax code, we do the high-tax-then-give-credits routine to those of special interest. We've needed to flatten alot of things for a long time.

In sum though, Iowa is pretty low in the perks it give farms. Fuel tax and license registration rebates are about the sum of it.

The fuel exemption isn't strictly a farm thing. It's there for vehicles that don't operate on the public roads. It pretty much has to be there because the various state governments use a "road use tax to maintain and build new roads",so they would have a  hard time justifying taxing boat fuel,tractor fuel,etc,etc,etc.

BTW,does the tax exemption at vehicle sale include or require the purchase of farm use tags?

[Free Vulcan]

The fuel exemption isn't strictly a farm thing. It's there for vehicles that don't operate on the public roads. It pretty much has to be there because the various state governments use a "road use tax to maintain and build new roads",so they would have a  hard time justifying taxing boat fuel,tractor fuel,etc,etc,etc.

BTW,does the tax exemption at vehicle sale include or require the purchase of farm use tags?

No. Basically if it is a car or truck that has red gas or diesel in it, you better not be caught on the road with it. They do check frequently and they have nabbed farmers who cheat. No special tags or anything though.

Since most tractors are road worthy, they could techincally tax them, the ones that are driven to the fields for plant and harvest. They don't though. Boats of course should obviously not pay the road tax, though they might pay some sort of conservation tax here, I don't know.

[sneakypete]

I just can't see why anyone is up in arms about asking for responsible programming from executives on TV, and why they are screeching "CENSORSHIP!" when the article itself is about choices in cable programming, and the discussion has been about responsibility.

The knee jerk reactions are instructive.  Some folks apparently don't even want the discussion to take place.

And to me, that's a heck of a lot closer to censorship than an open discussion with all sides being represented, and simply asking for responsibility from the cable companies and the executive producers.

You can't take horrible images out of your mind once they've been put there.  There's going to be some long term damage for people who watch this kind of butchery.  Especially the young ones.

@AllThatJazzZ

@musiclady

You do more spinning/talking in circles than any 3 people I know.

I  have some cousins that used to claim tv was a "tool ob de debbil!" and refused to have one in their house,or to allow their children to visit anyone that did.

Then their preacher got his own Sunday morning teebee show,and suddenly a new color console teebee showed up in their houses,and teebee instantly became "an instrument ob de LORD!" When the "700 Club" started airing,they even bought VCR's to record "The Word of GAWD!",although I am guessing that God never showed up to speak,and they were actually recording that con artist,Pat Robertson.

Funny how that works,ain't it?

[sneakypete]

No. Basically if it is a car or truck that has red gas or diesel in it, you better not be caught on the road with it. They do check frequently and they have nabbed farmers who cheat.

They do the same thing around here. I've been stopped and checked when driving my diesel GMC pickup. Woe be onto whoever tries to cheat the state highway department out of "THEIR" tax money!

I sometimes buy the red diesel to run in my loader,but sometimes go ahead and but the road-taxed diesel to avoid making another stop. It's a real pain in the butt to get to where the red diesel and gas are pumped and the savings on fuel just isn't worth the effort for me. If I were buying 100 gallons of it every few days you can bet I will make the effort,but I just don't burn enough of it to worry about. I'd like to burn the leaded gas in my stock 51 Ford,but it's just too much trouble. I put lead substitute in the gas tank instead.

[musiclady]

@musiclady

Yes,I do. I don't believe in fairy tales,either.

BTW,are you going to tell us what was wrong with "The Original Word of God/The (now)Old Testament",and why it had to be replaced with a New Testament/Word of God?

Something broken so a "New and Improved God's Word" had to replace it?

Someone else has been gracious enough to explain it to you, and you have rejected it.

I have more important things to do than cast pearls before swine.  Besides which, I'm pretty sure you actually know the answer and are just trying to be a jerk.

Peace, @sneakypete .

I don't know anyone else who needs it more than you do.

And FYI, this thread is about a TV show, not your faithlessness and cynicism, so enough of the hijack, OK??

[musiclady]

@musiclady

You do more spinning/talking in circles than any 3 people I know.

I  have some cousins that used to claim tv was a "tool ob de debbil!" and refused to have one in their house,or to allow their children to visit anyone that did.

Then their preacher got his own Sunday morning teebee show,and suddenly a new color console teebee showed up in their houses,and teebee instantly became "an instrument ob de LORD!" When the "700 Club" started airing,they even bought VCR's to record "The Word of GAWD!",although I am guessing that God never showed up to speak,and they were actually recording that con artist,Pat Robertson.

Funny how that works,ain't it?

You know more hypocrites than anyone I've ever met.  It's apparent that you haven't had contact with genuine Christians, nor more importantly, with the person of Jesus Christ.

I've said it before, and you've rejected it with snark, of course, but you need to get into the Word of God and meet the Savior, and quit looking at sinful people to make your decisions about a Holy, Almighty, Just and Loving God.

My last post participating in your thread hijack.

 

[Idaho_Cowboy]

You know more hypocrites than anyone I've ever met.  It's apparent that you haven't had contact with genuine Christians, nor more importantly, with the person of Jesus Christ.

I've said it before, and you've rejected it with snark, of course, but you need to get into the Word of God and meet the Savior, and quit looking at sinful people to make your decisions about a Holy, Almighty, Just and Loving God.

My last post participating in your thread hijack.

 

Steve Brown was right on when he called the Church porcupines huddled against the storm. At least Christians are the one group where you have to admit you are messed up to be a member. A lot of them forget, but that's another matter. Why is the world so shocked to find sinners in the Church?

[Free Vulcan]

They do the same thing around here. I've been stopped and checked when driving my diesel GMC pickup. Woe be onto whoever tries to cheat the state highway department out of "THEIR" tax money!

I sometimes buy the red diesel to run in my loader,but sometimes go ahead and but the road-taxed diesel to avoid making another stop. It's a real pain in the butt to get to where the red diesel and gas are pumped and the savings on fuel just isn't worth the effort for me. If I were buying 100 gallons of it every few days you can bet I will make the effort,but I just don't burn enough of it to worry about. I'd like to burn the leaded gas in my stock 51 Ford,but it's just too much trouble. I put lead substitute in the gas tank instead.

I can generally handle the road tax and enforcement if it's done right. We do pretty good here in Iowa though I don't like the road formula much. It's way too oriented to the cities, and the IDOT-contractor relationship is a little too incestuous for me sometimes.

What I personally wish they'd do here is flatten the corporate tax, which is about 5% of state revenue, get rid of all credits, then give it to cities and counties for road repairs and construction. Let the gas tax fill in after that, and cut the budget to make up for the 5%.

It would give jurisdictions incentive to improve their business climate, which would in turn benefit with better roads, drawing more business, and so on.

[musiclady]

Steve Brown was right on when he called the Church porcupines huddled against the storm. At least Christians are the one group where you have to admit you are messed up to be a member. A lot of them forget, but that's another matter. Why is the world so shocked to find sinners in the Church?

Great points and some that should be repeated:

Church members are sinners like everyone else.
Churches are filled with people who have admitted they are sinners.
Some Christians forget that they are sinners.  And that.......... is a sin.

[driftdiver]

@driftdiver

Blah,blah,blah. Organized religion is the original form of communism,so you might want to back off on those "leftist" smears,comrade.

Communism?   "a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs."

perhaps your education is lacking?  Religion has nothing to do with communism.