'The Walking Dead' Premiere Didn't Go Down Well With Conservative Groups

[ABX]

Just like those of us who oppose Trump on moral grounds are accused of being 'Ned Flanders types' ...

No, as I stated above re my reference to Ned Flanders, that isn't about having morals, it is about using the hammer of government to force every single minutia of your personal standards on everyone else.

Something I know you oppose. You aren't a Ned Flanders type.

[sneakypete]

The problem is when we quote you, there's nothing there....... it's blank.  It makes it harder to respond to, not harder to read.  I have to go back and find your original post to make sure I'm not misquoting you, rather than seeing it in the quote.

It's not that big a deal, but it causes confusion for people responding to you and wanting to be accurate.

That was my only point.

Ok,sorry. I didn't realize that was happening. I try to remember to not do it again.

[mountaineer]

I have no idea who Ned Flanders may be. Perhaps I should spend more time glued to the TV screen.

[musiclady]

I have no idea who Ned Flanders may be. Perhaps I should spend more time glued to the TV screen.

I had to look him up.  He's a cartoon, but he's apparently designed to make Christians look bad.   

[Idaho_Cowboy]

I had to look him up.  He's a cartoon, but he's apparently designed to make Christians look bad.   

A lot of people find it funny, but the Simpsons have not been the greatest influence on society....

[musiclady]

A lot of people find it funny, but the Simpsons have not been the greatest influence on society....

I think that's the goal.  Entertainment doesn't reflect society.  It drives it.

[ABX]

A lot of people find it funny, but the Simpsons have not been the greatest influence on society....

They aren't an influence, they are a reflection of what society is. Just like much of Shakespeare, when really read, is a crude parody of the times (not that I'm comparing the Simpsons to Shakespeare in the sense of importance or quality). Much of Mark Twain's writing, along with Ben Franklin under his many pseudonyms served the same purpose. All three of those examples, for their times, were considered by many crude or offensive.

Some current shows like The Simpsons and South Park, as two examples, often reflect what is happening in society, whether we like it or not, and they can be more than entertainment but should get us to think about what we are becoming.

[ABX]

I have no idea who Ned Flanders may be. Perhaps I should spend more time glued to the TV screen.

http://www.simpsonsworld.com/video/250523203904

[musiclady]

They aren't an influence, they are a reflection of what society is. Just like much of Shakespeare, when really read, is a crude parody of the times (not that I'm comparing the Simpsons to Shakespeare in the sense of importance or quality). Much of Mark Twain's writing, along with Ben Franklin under his many pseudonyms served the same purpose. All three of those examples, for their times, were considered by many crude or offensive.

Some current shows like The Simpsons and South Park, as two examples, often reflect what is happening in society, whether we like it or not, and they can be more than entertainment but should get us to think about what we are becoming.

I completely disagree.  Children who watch TV a lot (which is most kids) grow up thinking that deviancy is normal and that Christians are stupid. 

TV and movies have contributed to the degradation of morals in this culture,  and are not just a reflection of what already exists.

[XenaLee]

I have a right to share my opinion and I will. "I watched an episode and didn't like it" was the only thing I was going to post until I saw all the hate and filth sent towards those of us with standards.

Well....and there it is.   

I happen to like the show, despite the blood and gore, which I look past and try my best to ignore.  I love the cast and the writing and the survival theme.

That said....I don't consider the show to be ok for children to view.  The original reason I posted is because I'm FTFU with parents that don't bother to monitor (or care) what their precious spawn is doing or watching....and then only AFTER they find out do they screech for censorship.   Who the hell are 'they' to decide what I can or can not watch??? 

Bottom line, I'm against censorship.  These same types that would eliminate The Walking Dead from television viewing would no doubt then go on to censor other shows they didn't 'like'.  What's next?  Book burning?  It's all the same brand of idiotic fascism.  And I don't take kindly or well these days.... to aholes trying to dictate to me....
about ANY thing.

[sneakypete]

I had to look him up.  He's a cartoon, but he's apparently designed to make Christians look bad.   

@musiclady

Then you were looking in the wrong places. Ned's goal was to be an actual Christian neighbor to play off on Homer and Bart. The whole good/devout versus the bad (not really evil,just stupid and lazy) slacker. He provides contrast between two wildly different characters

Ned is a cartoon Pat Boone. Squeaky clean and devout,but he is not a fire and damnation Christian. He tries to convince people to "see the light" instead of beating on them with a flaming sword and Bible.

More of an earnest dweeb than a bad guy.

[sneakypete]

They aren't an influence, they are a reflection of what society is. Just like much of Shakespeare, when really read, is a crude parody of the times (not that I'm comparing the Simpsons to Shakespeare in the sense of importance or quality). Much of Mark Twain's writing, along with Ben Franklin under his many pseudonyms served the same purpose. All three of those examples, for their times, were considered by many crude or offensive.

Some current shows like The Simpsons and South Park, as two examples, often reflect what is happening in society, whether we like it or not, and they can be more than entertainment but should get us to think about what we are becoming.

BINGO! All in the Family was an early example. Normal Lear wrote it to highlight what  idiots Americans with traditional values are and the danger to society. Archie was supposed to have been a villain,but ended up being one of the most popular characters in TV history. Lear was lucky enough to have struck a gold mine while mining for tin. He was also smart enough and greedy enough (how ironic was THAT?) to take the ball and run with it,and even wrote a couple of spin-offs after the original show ended. It's a damn shame he ever pocketed a dollar from it. If he had any self-respect,he would have given the money to charity. Nobody is quite so pompous as a multi-millionaire producer who beats up on all his employees when it comes to wages to maximize his profits,while preaching that money is evil.

Same thing with Caroll O'Connor,a rabid kneejerk leftie in his private life.

[sneakypete]

I completely disagree.  Children who watch TV a lot (which is most kids) grow up thinking that deviancy is normal and that Christians are stupid. 

@musiclady

Only because they are children and don't understand the word "delusional" yet.

[sneakypete]

@XenaLee

Bottom line, I'm against censorship.  These same types that would eliminate The Walking Dead from television viewing would no doubt then go on to censor other shows they didn't 'like'.  What's next?  Book burning?  It's all the same brand of idiotic fascism.

Yes,and it hasn't been that long ago actual books and musical records were being burned in public,and the Thumpers were screaming for the government to pass laws to outlaw books they didn't like,and to ban rock and roll music because it was "de music ob de debbil!"

I remember seeing this on the tv news and reading it in the papers as it was actually happening.

[ABX]

I had to look him up.  He's a cartoon, but he's apparently designed to make Christians look bad.   

Actually, when you get down to it, he doesn't make Christians look bad. Yes, he is Mr. Censorship (he was worse earlier in the show's life) but when you get down to his character, he is the one trustworthy, honest, and decent guy there. He is Homer's best friend. The show basically shows several extremes, not middle of the road, so it will show the extreme of someone who is churchy (for lack of a better term) but it also shows him without any real vice to honestly tries to do right.

It is like the Jesus character in South Park. Many were very offended they had Jesus on the show, but they never insulted him. He was a very likable character and kind of sad because they made a point he didn't have friends (many at least), but he is always the one who saved the day when he was in an episode.

[SZonian]

Yes,and it hasn't been that long ago actual books and musical records were being burned in public,and the Thumpers were screaming for the government to pass laws to outlaw books they didn't like,and to ban rock and roll music because it was "de music ob de debbil!"

I remember seeing this on the tv news and reading it in the papers as it was actually happening.

The Moral Majority along with Tipper Gore and her cabal of anti-rock harpies...didn't say anything about NWA or "Sexual healing" by Marvin Gaye...nope.

[XenaLee]

Yes,and it hasn't been that long ago actual books and musical records were being burned in public,and the Thumpers were screaming for the government to pass laws to outlaw books they didn't like,and to ban rock and roll music because it was "de music ob de debbil!"

I remember seeing this on the tv news and reading it in the papers as it was actually happening.

One of my favorite classic SciFi flicks is Fahrenheit 451.   It's scary just how much more possible that scenario seems now than it did back then.

[sneakypete]

The Moral Majority along with Tipper Gore and her cabal of anti-rock harpies...didn't say anything about NWA or "Sexual healing" by Marvin Gaye...nope.

@SZonian

I had forgotten about that whore Tipsy and her alleged "Moral Crusade".

What I remember seeing and hearing as a kid were the book and record burnings by fundie preachers,and their demands that Elvis,Jerry Lee Lewis,and the others be banned from the air waves because they were playing "devil music". They were doing all this in "The name of GAWD!",just like if there really was a God he would have to have idiots like that do it for him because he wasn't able to do it himself.

Truth to tell,it was all in the name of "donations" to the preachers Cadillac Fund.

[sneakypete]

One of my favorite classic SciFi flicks is Fahrenheit 451.   It's scary just how much more possible that scenario seems now than it did back then.

@XenaLee

True. People are basically sheep,looking for a sheepherder to lead the way for them and tell them what to do. All it takes is someone with a ton of charisma and no morals at all. Bubba Bill would have been the most successful  preacher in the US if he hadn't gone into politics.

[Cripplecreek]

Gratuitous

Beloved characters die on the show all the time but there seemed to be particular joy taken by writers in making these 2 deaths as gruesome as possible.

The execution of Lizzy was some pretty extreme television but there was an understandable reason behind it and they didn't actually show it.

I guess for me, sometimes leaving more to imagination is far better viewing.

[bigheadfred]

Gratuitous

Beloved characters die on the show all the time but there seemed to be particular joy taken by writers in making these 2 deaths as gruesome as possible.

The execution of Lizzy was some pretty extreme television but there was an understandable reason behind it and they didn't actually show it.

I guess for me, sometimes leaving more to imagination is far better viewing.

I had a coworker describing one while I was eating lunch. I told him I had heard enough. He kept on and I had to insist. Seriously, I've heard enough. (I don't watch the show.)

[ABX]

[musiclady]

Actually, when you get down to it, he doesn't make Christians look bad. Yes, he is Mr. Censorship (he was worse earlier in the show's life) but when you get down to his character, he is the one trustworthy, honest, and decent guy there. He is Homer's best friend. The show basically shows several extremes, not middle of the road, so it will show the extreme of someone who is churchy (for lack of a better term) but it also shows him without any real vice to honestly tries to do right.

It is like the Jesus character in South Park. Many were very offended they had Jesus on the show, but they never insulted him. He was a very likable character and kind of sad because they made a point he didn't have friends (many at least), but he is always the one who saved the day when he was in an episode.

Well, I'll take your word for it @AbaraXas, since I don't watch the show, and I just based what I said on what was in wiki.......... and they're not entirely reliable.

Actually, the last cartoon I watched regularly was Animaniacs with my teenaged kids back in the late 90's.  Spielberg........ VERY funny.

FWIW, I was raising kids during the 80's and 90's when TV and movies lost control of themselves.  The difference between the language and behavior of small children between the mid 80's and mid 90's was remarkable.

When our oldest was in pre-school, not a kid used foul language.  By the time our youngest started pre-school, 4 and 5 year olds used the "f" word and the "s" word with regularity.

They weren't the influencers.  They were the influenced.  Entertainment debased culture.  Without a doubt.  I watched it happen.  With horror.

[bigheadfred]

That is IT! (what he said) I have enough horror in my own life to go looking for more. I understand the need for people to be desensitized, for the corruption of their being. It isn't for me.

[musiclady]

Well....and there it is.   

I happen to like the show, despite the blood and gore, which I look past and try my best to ignore.  I love the cast and the writing and the survival theme.

That said....I don't consider the show to be ok for children to view.  The original reason I posted is because I'm FTFU with parents that don't bother to monitor (or care) what their precious spawn is doing or watching....and then only AFTER they find out do they screech for censorship.   Who the hell are 'they' to decide what I can or can not watch??? 

Bottom line, I'm against censorship.  These same types that would eliminate The Walking Dead from television viewing would no doubt then go on to censor other shows they didn't 'like'.  What's next?  Book burning?  It's all the same brand of idiotic fascism.  And I don't take kindly or well these days.... to aholes trying to dictate to me....
about ANY thing.

I've got to object to this statement strongly.

You assume that parents are with their children every minute of every day.  Not so.

Kids can be at a neighbor's house, have a baby sitter, or be changing the channel when you're in another room.

Attacking parents who don't want horror on the screen because they're not being good parents is a faulty.  Unless you expect parents to be with their children 24/7 and never leave the house, you can't make the blanket condemnation you're making.

And, IMO, attacking parents who want disgusting material off the air by calling it censorship is also not fair.  I think it's important for people who care about culture rot to continue to speak up.

Unless you want to censor us???

I agree with you on most things @XenaLee , but I take strong exception on this one.

[Smokin Joe]

The shows? No problem, they're scheduled, set the parentals, no sweat.

It's the commercials that ooze out into the kiddee hours and could be toned down. The adults know what the shows are about, graphic demonstrations need not be splattered in with the ads for breakfast cereals.

[Smokin Joe]

In some respects I see your point. Abortion ain't gonna matter if people don't have jobs and can't eat, which is where we are headed if we don't get things like the debt under control fast.

And that might have worked well if liberals had left abortion as a states rights thing. Or at least compromised, left it to science and cut it off at provable viability. Now they're cool with infanticide and aborting a baby as it's being born, and even after.

They're cool with that because it's just a stepping stone to population control and forced abortion, meaning once again they are up in your face, because they never ever stop.

It isn't just population control, not just killing, it's who they kill.

[Free Vulcan]

It isn't just population control, not just killing, it's who they kill.

True dat Joe.

[Smokin Joe]

To me....not taking responsibility for what your little kids watch on tv borders on child abuse and/or criminal.  Some parents use the tv as a free babysitter.  So yeah....it can be.

I fully agree. For us adults, watching the show is a matter of choice. We know when the show comes on, we can herd the kiddies off to bed. No problem.

What I would like is for the commercials to be toned down, because we can't predict when those will be on, and they are often as graphic as the show.

[Smokin Joe]

The problem many of us have isn't towards people who don't like the show or things like it, but what I called "Ned Flanders" types I referred to earlier. Those are the ones who try to get the government to force their will.  It is in reference to a Simpson's character who in several episodes, was a big government activist watching every single TV show and complaining to the government about every bad word or anything he objected to in order to get them taken off the air. In another episode, he was put in charge of the city's CCTV system and watched and tried to correct every single person's bad behavior.  Basically a SJW.

Using the government in that way is what we find offensive, not someone who has personal standards what they watch.

Thank you.

[XenaLee]

I've got to object to this statement strongly.

You assume that parents are with their children every minute of every day.  Not so.

Kids can be at a neighbor's house, have a baby sitter, or be changing the channel when you're in another room.

If you would read my original comment....

it was addressing this post below...which talks about parents that allow their young children to watch the show and then bitch about the content of the show.

Seriously to all you Ned Flanders types out there, do you not know what this show is about? And to think, some of these people let their little kids watch it then complained about the content? Even my wife wouldn't watch this episode.

And I hate to break this to you....but....

if your kid is unsupervised at a neighbor's house, the last thing you should probably be worrying about is them watching a show like The Walking Dead.  They're much more likely to be pulling up hard-core porn on the pc or watching the Playboy Channel and/or an HBO semi-porn show....all while getting into the liquor cabinet or possibly even worse (drugs stash/medicine cabinet).  That's unsupervised kids for ya.

Also, the show comes on at 8 pm in the evening.  If you don't have control of your kids at that time of night, how is that my problem?  Why should I be penalized via less viewing options because 'some' parents can't or won't control what their kids watch?

Attacking parents who don't want horror on the screen because they're not being good parents is a faulty.  Unless you expect parents to be with their children 24/7 and never leave the house, you can't make the blanket condemnation you're making.

Again, go back to my original comment and what it was addressing.

And, IMO, attacking parents who want disgusting material off the air by calling it censorship is also not fair.  I think it's important for people who care about culture rot to continue to speak up.

Oh, it's not only fair, it's accurate.  It's spot on.  That's why they invented a little thing called 'parental controls' on TVs now.

Unless you want to censor us???

Seriously???  What part of my next paragraph did you apparently miss?  Starts with this sentence....

Bottom line, I'm against censorship.....

Bottom line.....fascism is fascism.  I'm getting the idea from your comments that you would be ok with this group dictating what shows can or can not be shown on tv.  So fascism is ok with you ...as long as it's "your" brand of fascism.  Have I got that right?  And where would your brand of fascism end?  We know where and how it begins.  But do you have any idea or clue where it ends?  (Hint:  it doesn't end....it just goes on and on and on until everything is deemed "offensive" and is summarily banned.)

I agree with you on most things @XenaLee , but I take strong exception on this one.

That's ok.  We don't have to agree on everything.  I certainly don't mind that you take exception.

[Frank Cannon]

if your kid is unsupervised at a neighbor's house, the last thing you should probably be worrying about is them watching a show like The Walking Dead.  They're much more likely to be pulling up hard-core porn on the pc or watching the Playboy Channel and/or an HBO semi-porn show....all while getting into the liquor cabinet or possibly even worse (drugs stash/medicine cabinet).  That's unsupervised kids for ya.

LOL. Geez. You must live in a rough neighborhood if the kids are doing what I do on an average Friday night.

[AllThatJazzZ]

I've got to object to this statement strongly.

You assume that parents are with their children every minute of every day.  Not so.

Kids can be at a neighbor's house, have a baby sitter, or be changing the channel when you're in another room.

Attacking parents who don't want horror on the screen because they're not being good parents is a faulty.  Unless you expect parents to be with their children 24/7 and never leave the house, you can't make the blanket condemnation you're making.

And, IMO, attacking parents who want disgusting material off the air by calling it censorship is also not fair.  I think it's important for people who care about culture rot to continue to speak up.

Unless you want to censor us???

I agree with you on most things @XenaLee , but I take strong exception on this one.

Although protecting children from violence and smut isn't a problem I have, I do have family and friends who are desperately trying to do everything possible to do just that. It's really just impossible unless you can be with every kid at every moment of every day. (I'm sure their friends will be thrilled that the kid's parent comes along with the kid on an overnight stay!) Staying vigilant in an attempt to shield your kids leaves you with no life of your own.

I'm geared toward wholesome programming, so I don't see any of this stuff, but I have had friends and co-workers who have said on several occasions that they wished they hadn't seen this movie or that TV show and desperately wished they could unsee it. Just the few things I accidentally overhear are enough to provide an explanation of how society became so degraded in such a short period of time.

I really don't know how one could protect their children in this era. Even refusing to have a TV in the house would only partially protect them since TVs are ubiquitous. And of course we live in the age of computers where the creepiest of material is a click away. Don't tell me that stuff doesn't have an effect on one's soul.

I am so grateful to have grown up in the era of Dick Van Dyke, Danny Thomas, Bonanza, Sky King, Wyatt Earp, Ed Sullivan, Wagon Train, American Bandstand, etc.

[XenaLee]

LOL. Geez. You must live in a rough neighborhood if the kids are doing what I do on an average Friday night.

You must not know how kids, even supposedly "good" kids, behave when their parents or adults are not around.  Usually, their idea of having fun is doing whatever they know their parents would not approve of...lol.

[driftdiver]

@sneakypete
I don't thump a bible nor is it as common as haters like you want us to believe.   

No it wasn't juvenile.   You sound no different then the anti-Christian bigots on the left.   You keep poor company.

[driftdiver]

You must not know how kids, even supposedly "good" kids, behave when their parents or adults are not around.  Usually, their idea of having fun is doing whatever they know their parents would not approve of...lol.

@XenaLee

Really?   Heck I musta screwed up as a kid.  I was going fishing, hiking, shooting, playing video games.

My kids messed it up too.  They hang around church, go to concerts, play sports, heck they even sometimes do volunteer work.

[musiclady]

If you would read my original comment....

it was addressing this post below...which talks about parents that allow their young children to watch the show and then bitch about the content of the show.

And I hate to break this to you....but....

if your kid is unsupervised at a neighbor's house, the last thing you should probably be worrying about is them watching a show like The Walking Dead.  They're much more likely to be pulling up hard-core porn on the pc or watching the Playboy Channel and/or an HBO semi-porn show....all while getting into the liquor cabinet or possibly even worse (drugs stash/medicine cabinet).  That's unsupervised kids for ya.

Also, the show comes on at 8 pm in the evening.  If you don't have control of your kids at that time of night, how is that my problem?  Why should I be penalized via less viewing options because 'some' parents can't or won't control what their kids watch?

Again, go back to my original comment and what it was addressing.

Oh, it's not only fair, it's accurate.  It's spot on.  That's why they invented a little thing called 'parental controls' on TVs now.

Seriously???  What part of my next paragraph did you apparently miss?  Starts with this sentence....

Bottom line.....fascism is fascism.  I'm getting the idea from your comments that you would be ok with this group dictating what shows can or can not be shown on tv.  So fascism is ok with you ...as long as it's "your" brand of fascism.  Have I got that right?  And where would your brand of fascism end?  We know where and how it begins.  But do you have any idea or clue where it ends?  (Hint:  it doesn't end....it just goes on and on and on until everything is deemed "offensive" and is summarily banned.)

That's ok.  We don't have to agree on everything.  I certainly don't mind that you take exception.

I guess you didn't read the article, and reacted emotionally and defensively rather than thoughtfully, so I'll let you know what it says.....

"Last night’s season premiere of 'The Walking Dead' was one of the most graphically violent shows we’ve ever seen on television, comparable to the most violent of programs found on premium cable networks... It’s not enough to 'change the channel,' as some people like to advocate, because cable subscribers — regardless of whether they want AMC or watch its programming — are still forced to subsidize violent content. This brutally explicit show is a powerful demonstration of why families should have greater control over the TV networks they purchase from their cable and satellite providers."

The suggestion is not that the shows be "censored," but that families have to option NOT to get that particular channel from their cable package so they have more control at home, or not be forced to subsidize violence because there is no choice as to what channels and programming come into your home.

Nowhere is there mention, here or elsewhere, of parents who let their children watch the show and then "bitch about it."   I imagine that most parents who don't care about what their kids watch and are irresponsible enough to think it's OK for their kids to watch this kind of horror aren't the ones complaining.  So unless you have evidence that this parents group consists of very confused parents, your point is moot and your argument has no basis in fact.

All I have talked about is self-censorship.  That production companies should know what is a "bridge too far" for television that comes into homes where children may be watching.  The article is referring to controls over which channels are in your cable package and which aren't.  I'm talking about responsible producers.

My husband and I have talked about it for years.  Why are we forced to pay for hundreds of channels we never watch, and in essence, support things financially that we don't participate in, or what we strongly disapprove of?

It's a legitimate question.

And your accusing me of agreeing with fascism is just dumb.

Sorry.

@XenaLee

[musiclady]

You must not know how kids, even supposedly "good" kids, behave when their parents or adults are not around.  Usually, their idea of having fun is doing whatever they know their parents would not approve of...lol.

Hmmm........... then why did our then 6 year old son call home and ask us to come and get him when he was at a friend's house and they were watching a Freddy Kruger movie? (He's 35 now)

What's wrong with your argument is that you are assuming that every kid is bad and every parent trying to teach their kids right from wrong is a hypocrite.

There are many, many, many parents out there who are trying to protect their children from evil, and many children who don't want to see filthy, violent or frightening things when they're away from home.

Again, an attempt to paint all of us with one black brush and not recognize that there really are people out there trying to do the right thing.......... even kids.

btw, the argument you're using has been used by many who are trying to excuse Donald Trump's abuse of women.  That's just the way men are.  Doesn't cut it either way.

@XenaLee

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete
I don't thump a bible nor is it as common as haters like you want us to believe.   

No it wasn't juvenile.   You sound no different then the anti-Christian bigots on the left.   You keep poor company.

@driftdiver

Blah,blah,blah. Organized religion is the original form of communism,so you might want to back off on those "leftist" smears,comrade.

[sneakypete]

I guess you didn't read the article, and reacted emotionally and defensively rather than thoughtfully, so I'll let you know what it says.....

The suggestion is not that the shows be "censored," but that families have to option NOT to get that particular channel from their cable package so they have more control at home, or not be forced to subsidize violence because there is no choice as to what channels and programming come into your home.

@musiclady

The flip side of that is those of us who aren't superstitious are forced to subsidize religious programming despite our desire to be free of communism.  Deal with it and quit demanding you have a right to control what the rest of us view and hear.

[sneakypete]

Hmmm........... then why did our then 6 year old son call home and ask us to come and get him when he was at a friend's house and they were watching a Freddy Kruger movie? (He's 35 now)

What's wrong with your argument is that you are assuming that every kid is bad and every parent trying to teach their kids right from wrong is a hypocrite.

There are many, many, many parents out there who are trying to protect their children from evil, and many children who don't want to see filthy, violent or frightening things when they're away from home.

Again, an attempt to paint all of us with one black brush and not recognize that there really are people out there trying to do the right thing.......... even kids.

btw, the argument you're using has been used by many who are trying to excuse Donald Trump's abuse of women.  That's just the way men are.  Doesn't cut it either way.

@XenaLee

@musiclady   @XenaLee

I presume you did NOT allow them to view the Holy Bible if you were serious about keeping them away from " filthy, violent or frightening things"? I don't recall any of the leaders on The Walking Dead telling their followers to grab babies by their ankles and bash their brains out against the stone walls,and according to your "Owners Manual" your God told his soldiers to do just that in order to wipe out an "un-Godly" people. This is called "genocide" today even thought it was called "Doing God's will" back in the "good old days" when God ran everything.

[Free Vulcan]

@driftdiver

Blah,blah,blah. Organized religion is the original form of communism,so you might want to back off on those "leftist" smears,comrade.

In my evangelical upbringing, I remember alot of community, but not communism. We were all hard core conservative capitalist entrepreneur types. Lots of farmers and small businessmen in our church.

[mirraflake]

You must not know how kids, even supposedly "good" kids, behave when their parents or adults are not around.  Usually, their idea of having fun is doing whatever they know their parents would not approve of...lol.

Spot on @XenaLee

I grew up in a 18 state -allowed to drink in bars at age 18.

All my siblings including myself went to Catholic school.  My sister who is now 59 said she and her female friends would ride their bicyles to the local hot spot bar and drink there while in HS. They did not drive because the parents would check out the parking lot for their cars.

I drank at the same spot while in HS when I was 17 because I had my brothers college ID and we looked alike.

I did way worse than above btw..I was a hedonistic little thing.

MY dad was street smart..he knew what was going on but my mom was totally naive.

[sneakypete]

In my evangelical upbringing, I remember alot of community, but not communism. We were all hard core conservative capitalist entrepreneur types. Lots of farmers and small businessmen in our church.

Farmers will never admit it,but there isn't a single group in America more tightly connected to the government tit than farmers. They get more welfare than the big city professional welfare class. They are guaranteed a profit (fixed price) on their crops before they plant them,and they are even paid to NOT plant crops or trees. They also get other perks,like not having to have license plates on the trucks they drive locally,and lower property taxes than Joe Sixpack that works a 40 hour week. Hell,every one of them I know has a side business going to have something to do and pull in more money during the months they aren't farming.

Try telling one he is on government welfare or is a communist though,and watch his head explode.

[Cripplecreek]

In my evangelical upbringing, I remember alot of community, but not communism. We were all hard core conservative capitalist entrepreneur types. Lots of farmers and small businessmen in our church.

Some folks just aren't bright enough to recognize that a load willingly shared is not communism, its community and cooperation.

Communism is done through force.

[Idaho_Cowboy]

I find it funny that if folks question the wisdom of airing certain shows during prime time they get accused of wanting censorship.

[Free Vulcan]

Farmers will never admit it,but there isn't a single group in America more tightly connected to the government tit than farmers. They get more welfare than the big city professional welfare class. They are guaranteed a profit (fixed price) on their crops before they plant them,and they are even paid to NOT plant crops or trees. They also get other perks,like not having to have license plates on the trucks they drive locally,and lower property taxes than Joe Sixpack that works a 40 hour week. Hell,every one of them I know has a side business going to have something to do and pull in more money during the months they aren't farming.

Try telling one he is on government welfare or is a communist though,and watch his head explode.

What subsidies? There's crop insurance and conservation programs. The subsidy is long gone. And I have no problem them paying lower property taxes on unimproved land. All trucks in my state have to have plates regardless of use.

If they were making big money at farming, they wouldn't need jobs and side businesses. They pull in other income because unless you are very large, farming today doesn't make that much.

[Free Vulcan]

Some folks just aren't bright enough to recognize that a load willingly shared is not communism, its community and cooperation.

Communism is done through force.

Correct and thank you CC.

Good to see ya back.

[mirraflake]

Farmers will never admit it,but there isn't a single group in America more tightly connected to the government tit than farmers. They get more welfare than the big city professional welfare class. They are guaranteed a profit (fixed price) on their crops before they plant them,and they are even paid to NOT plant crops or trees. They also get other perks,like not having to have license plates on the trucks they drive locally,and lower property taxes than Joe Sixpack that works a 40 hour week. Hell,every one of them I know has a side business going to have something to do and pull in more money during the months they aren't farming.

Try telling one he is on government welfare or is a communist though,and watch his head explode.

Crop subsidies are very needed.  If you did not have these subsidies you would see huge swings in food prices. Paying farmers to plant or not keeps food prices stable.


That being said I agree with you.. farmers get lot's of perks.  When they received their gas royalty's in my area the first $300K was  income tax free if they bought farm equipment or barns etc with the money.
@sneakypete

@Free Vulcan  crop subsidies are still very much in use.  Our local paper prints by law every year what each farmer receives in our area.

[musiclady]

Some folks just aren't bright enough to recognize that a load willingly shared is not communism, its community and cooperation.

Communism is done through force.

There is no one more lacking in intelligent responses than a knee-jerk atheist.