'The Walking Dead' Premiere Didn't Go Down Well With Conservative Groups

[Free Vulcan]

@Free Vulcan

Just how freaking old are you that you can call a generation of people now eligible for  Social Security "The Younger Generation"? Younger than what,dirt?

BTW,I have guns also.

I'm saying that the last three generations, from the Boomers to the Millenials - when they were in their teens and twenties - have pretty much been full of crap. Not all, but most.

That includes my generation. I grew up with alot of those type of asshats. It wasn't that they didn't like Jesus people, they didn't like anything to do with religion, faith, morality, or goodness. Mostly because they were drinking, drugging, and whoring around when they should have been getting up off their lazy worthless asses and trying to make a future for themselves instead of dragging everyone down in the gutter.

My point is, too often people that don't like and rebel against 'Jesus people' are that way because they themselves are little fascists that want the world their way. They are more than happy to enforce their morality on the rest of the world just as much as the 'Jesus people'. If there's one thing I've learned in life is that rebellion and fascism are two sides of the same coin.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

I'm saying that the last three generations, from the Boomers to the Millenials - when they were in their teens and twenties - have pretty much been full of crap. Not all, but most.

That includes my generation. I grew up with alot of those type of asshats. It wasn't that they didn't like Jesus people, they didn't like anything to do with religion, faith, morality, or goodness. Mostly because they were drinking, drugging, and whoring around when they should have been getting up off their lazy worthless asses and trying to make a future for themselves instead of dragging everyone down in the gutter.

My point is, too often people that don't like and rebel against 'Jesus people' are that way because they themselves are little fascists that want the world their way. They are more than happy to enforce their morality on the rest of the world just as much as the 'Jesus people'. If there's one thing I've learned in life is that rebellion and fascism are two sides of the same coin.

Not all of us care if two people of the same sex want to get married. And not all of us are obsessed with abortion.


Two issues I just do not care about.

[Free Vulcan]

Not all of us care if two people of the same sex want to get married. And not all of us are obsessed with abortion.


Two issues I just do not care about.

And neither do I until the homos and transgenders tell me I must cater to their marriages, tell my church that they must open their restrooms to them and perform their wedding services, or that they can have sex in public, while that I can't disagree publicly with their morality.

Or push their crap on little elementary kids in school, tell kids they can be different genders or gay, or have 14 y/o minor girls get abortions without parental consent. Or try to excuse pedophelia, or pick your poison.

Then it becomes our business. Then it's over the line and in your face, and that's what liberals do. They aren't libertarians, they are theocrats, and they will never ever ever ever ever ever ever stop until everyone agrees with them, has their beliefs, and lives exactly how they're told.

I learned that lesson long ago in a small little crap blue collar union Democrat town. Sometimes their hate for you and your beliefs is not because of something you did to them, but because of something you won't let them do to you.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

And neither do I until the homos and transgenders tell me I must cater to their marriages, tell my church that they must open their restrooms to them and perform their wedding services, or that they can have sex in public, while that I can't disagree publicly with their morality.

Or push their crap on kids in school, tell kids they can be different genders or gay, or have 14 y/o minor girls get abortions without parental consent. Or try to excuse pedophelia, or pick your poison.

Then it becomes our business. Then it's over the line and in your face, and that's what liberals do. They aren't libertarians, they are theocrats, and they will never ever ever ever ever ever ever stop until everyone agrees with them, has their beliefs, and lives exactly how they're told.

I learned that lesson long ago in a small little crap blue collar Democrat town. Sometimes their hate for you and your beliefs is not because of something you did to them, but because of something you won't let them do to you.

Ok, granted. But the anti-gay stuff on FR was a little over the top as to be ridiculous.


And I'm tired of hearing about abortion.

[Free Vulcan]

Ok, granted. But the anti-gay stuff on FR was a little over the top as to be ridiculous.


And I'm tired of hearing about abortion.

In some respects I see your point. Abortion ain't gonna matter if people don't have jobs and can't eat, which is where we are headed if we don't get things like the debt under control fast.

And that might have worked well if liberals had left abortion as a states rights thing. Or at least compromised, left it to science and cut it off at provable viability. Now they're cool with infanticide and aborting a baby as it's being born, and even after.

They're cool with that because it's just a stepping stone to population control and forced abortion, meaning once again they are up in your face, because they never ever stop.

[geronl]

Personally I don't understand how anyone who calls themselves conservative would watch the crap.

If it offends, just turn it off.

I don't watch any TV days. Heck I haven't even checked out Pookie Toons in more than a month.

[musiclady]

You may like those movies, but the public tired of them after 20 years of saccharine fluff. I don't have a problem with a ratings system to know what you are about to see, but censorship is a loser whenever it is enacted.

I understand your position, Frank, but if it weren't for "20 years of saccharine fluff" some of us..... many of us........ would have missed out on some absolutely fantastic entertainment.  (Fred Astaire wouldn't even kiss an actress in a movie because he was married.  Do you think he'd have been a star if dirty dancing were the norm in the 30's?)

I don't agree with all the restrictions, obviously (putting Lucy and Desi in twin beds was silly), but without those self-imposed codes, the lousy stuff would have gotten lousier sooner, and those of us who believe in clean entertainment would have been out to sea.

I oppose outside censorship, but I firmly agree on self control and self censorship of responsible people.

Those of us who don't like the filth aren't that small a number.  Good G/PG rated movies do super well with the public because there are a lot of us who just don't go to most movies because of the offensiveness of so many.  Even movies that we enjoy have language, sex and violence that we'd rather not have to see.

Again....... if Hollywood hadn't self-censored, the movie industry might have died on the vine because in the 30's the average person lived by a moral code and didn't want to see the kind of garbage that's out there now.  There are fewer of us now, but we're not that small a number.

There would have been far fewer people going to movies (and less money for the moguls) if they hadn't put on the brakes on after the late 20's and early 30's, and I, for one, am very glad it happened.

And I don't think I'm alone in that view.

[geronl]

You have to remember that some "conservatives" don't care about perversions, they don't even care if sodomy is part of the school curriculum as long as "it doesn't affect them"...

Of course it affects you. Everything you watch affects you and your morals. You start seeing degeneracy as "normal" and even start mocking others as "prudes" and "behind the times" for not embracing the latest perversions.

They will even say they don't care about the wholesale slaughter of babies, they probably think its worth the price to keep the perversions going.

But they will claim to be "conservatives"....

[thackney]

Personally I don't understand how anyone who calls themselves conservative would watch the crap.

If it offends, just turn it off.

I don't watch any TV days. Heck I haven't even checked out Pookie Toons in more than a month.

Wanting limited government has little to do with being entertained by apocalypse sci-fi.

[musiclady]

You have to remember that some "conservatives" don't care about perversions, they don't even care if sodomy is part of the school curriculum as long as "it doesn't affect them"...

Of course it affects you. Everything you watch affects you and your morals. You start seeing degeneracy as "normal" and even start mocking others as "prudes" and "behind the times" for not embracing the latest perversions.

They will even say they don't care about the wholesale slaughter of babies, they probably think its worth the price to keep the perversions going.

But they will claim to be "conservatives"....

Excellent observations.  I agree.

[mirraflake]

Of course it affects you. Everything you watch affects you and your morals. You start seeing degeneracy as "normal" and even start mocking others as "prudes" and "behind the times" for not embracing the latest perversions.

Been checking out Playboy, Hustler and Penthouse since I was 12 or 13 years old, been to plenty of strip clubs in college and a few years out, I was dragged against my will to a strip club night before my wedding lol -my wife knew about it and gave me a handful of ones....still check out internet porn every so often. I'm honest.

My brothers and close friends about the same..  we got it out of our system while we were younger.

Non of us ever divorced-same for my groomsman, still married to my original wife. Don't cheat. Don't do drugs or drink. My wife knows where to find me, in the garage very night working on my muscle cars.

My point is it's  always the ones who say they don't do this stuff who have the hidden lives. cheaters, child molestors, turn gay.

The people I know who were goody two shoes are the ones who always have a mid life crisis and feel they need to go out a sow their wild oats at age 50.

My wife had a convo with one of her friends a few years back.. friend  was married to the first guy she dated right out of HS> She told my wife "Oh I should have dated more, had more fun, went to parties, I've only had sex with my husband" ..6 months later she was separated. My wife told that night what was going to happen.

@geronl

[geronl]

My brothers and close friends about the same..  we got it out of our system while we were younger.

and now you back a man who says his own daughter is a "nice piece of @$$"

check mate

[chae]

@mirraflake

My ex-best friend was a totally goody-two-shoes all her life.   Then last year, she up and divorces her husband, screws him out of some cash and then uses that money to go to Albania and marry some guy she met online who can't come here because he can't get a passport and he's not allowed into America anyway, apparently "He's on some kind of list or something"

[geronl]

Wanting limited government has little to do with being entertained by apocalypse sci-fi.

Those who can't or won't govern themselves but want limited government are worrisome

[chae]

It's a really entertaining show, the characters are really interesting. 
And considering all that went down at Terminus, Carol shooting Lizzie, Carl shooting his mom, "tainted meat", Sophia being in the barn, the Governor's heads and daughter, Andrea's death, Glen under the dumpster, Herschel, Beth, Andrea and Carl's eye, I find all this whining and moaning about this episode insane.
Anyone with a passing familiarity with this show knew this was coming.  Negan told them what he was going to do, for the last 5 or so month people have been anticipating who has going to "meet Lucille".  When Lucille is a barb-wire wrapped baseball bat, you know it's going to be brutal.  Also, the wounds perfectly matched the comic book, so it's not like there was no warning.

[XenaLee]

Seriously to all you Ned Flanders types out there, do you not know what this show is about? And to think, some of these people let their little kids watch it then complained about the content? Even my wife wouldn't watch this episode.

Parents that stupid will always howl and squeal and blame others while seeking to censor what they disapprove of.  Screw em.  The show is not for children.  And not even for some adults.  Different strokes.

[geronl]

Seriously to all you Ned Flanders types out there, do you not know what this show is about?

Ned Flanders types. Wow. Don't people have every right to criticize a TV show they find terrible and disgusting? Or should we modify the first amendment to make those horrible Ned Flanders types shut up? How dare they have an opinion! How dare they!

[geronl]

Parents that stupid will always howl and squeal and blame others while seeking to censor what they disapprove of.  Screw em.  The show is not for children.  And not even for some adults.  Different strokes.

Not liking a show is not a crime.

[XenaLee]

Not liking a show is not a crime.

To me....not taking responsibility for what your little kids watch on tv borders on child abuse and/or criminal.  Some parents use the tv as a free babysitter.  So yeah....it can be. 

[XenaLee]

Ned Flanders types. Wow. Don't people have every right to criticize a TV show they find terrible and disgusting? Or should we modify the first amendment to make those horrible Ned Flanders types shut up? How dare they have an opinion! How dare they!

Who, exactly, is forcing them to watch the show?

[geronl]

Who, exactly, is forcing them to watch the show?

Nobody is forced to watch, just like child porn.  That doesn't make it okay.

Guess what, even people who do not like the show, and don't watch, are still allowed to have an opinion.

[chae]

@geronl

Direct quote from the article:
The PTC is, in effect, saying that The Walking Dead has gone too far, and positioning itself as a suitable arbiter for deciding what else is or isn't appropriate.

Not saying you can't express your opinion, this isn't about is this a good show or not, it's more about does/should this self-appointed group have the ability to tell others that since this show violates their sensibilities, it shouldn't be on the air?

[XenaLee]

Nobody is forced to watch, just like child porn.  That doesn't make it okay.

Guess what, even people who do not like the show, and don't watch, are still allowed to have an opinion.

I have no problem with people that have an opinion.  What I have a problem with....as illustrated in my first post in this thread....is parents that allow their small/young children to watch shows like The Walking Dead....and then bitch about it.  Parents that take NO responsibility whatsoever is what I have a problem with.  How did you miss that?

There's a ton of shows that I don't like, don't approve of and wouldn't let MY young kids watch, if I still had young kids around the house.  I just simply say "no" to the remote when it tries to force me to watch that crap....lol.

[geronl]

@geronl
The PTC is, in effect, saying that The Walking Dead has gone too far, and positioning itself as a suitable arbiter for deciding what else is or isn't appropriate.

Just like those of us who oppose Trump on moral grounds are accused of being 'Ned Flanders types' positioning ourselves as the arbiter for what is and is not appropriate, I guess.

I have every right to say a TV show is perverted and immoral if I think it is. I'm not going to apologize for having standards of decency.

[XenaLee]

Just like those of us who oppose Trump on moral grounds are accused of being 'Ned Flanders types' positioning ourselves as the arbiter for what is and is not appropriate, I guess.

I have every right to say a TV show is perverted and immoral if I think it is. I'm not going to apologize for having standards of decency.

I'm confused.  Are you trying to equate child porn with a zombie apocalypse show like The Walking Dead?  There's a serious disconnect here, if so.

Nobody is forced to watch, just like child porn.

Bottom line....if you have young kids, don't allow them to watch it.  Keep your opinion.  Nobody is saying otherwise.  Just don't try to dictate to others what they can or can't, should or shouldn't, watch.  JS....

[chae]

Yeah, but I'm not saying Trump shouldn't be allowed to talk, just that he's a slug.

[geronl]

  Just don't try to dictate to others what they can or can't, should or shouldn't, watch.  JS....

I have a right to share my opinion and I will. "I watched an episode and didn't like it" was the only thing I was going to post until I saw all the hate and filth sent towards those of us with standards.

[thackney]

Those who can't or won't govern themselves but want limited government are worrisome

Are you claiming someone who is entertained by apocalypse sci-fi is incapable of governing themselves?  Really? 

[mirraflake]

Those who can't or won't govern themselves but want limited government are worrisome

What?

 I would rather have those than baby momma gov't dependent types with 8 kids who want big gov't entitlements to help them in every aspect of their lives.

If someone wants to be a bum and live on the street let em...why should multiple gov't agencies be created to help them? (other than truly mentally ill or physically disabled-those should be helped).


My philosophy is if you screwed up your life(can't govern yourself) and won't make changes to improve your ;lot in life .. heck with ya.

@geronl

[musiclady]

You sure are full of yourself, aren't you, @sneakypete ?

Just for the record, though, your calling me a "church lady" makes me fall to the floor in gales of laughter.  It's funny for me to imagine you at your keyboard thinking you're leveling a great insult, and knowing it's really just dopey.

I will always be thankful that Hollywood produced absolutely great pictures in the 30's, with great stars, great acting, and completely watchable from beginning to end.

The self-censorship Hollywood did hasn't hurt you a bit.  There's been all kinds of garbage made since they dropped the code that I'm sure titillates you, so you have your entertainment.

But for those of us who prefer plot to porn, I'm glad there was a time when good movies were actually produced without gratuitous nonsense to please the less mature among us.

Here's to romance!  Here's to orchestras out in the forest and Mounties bursting into song!  Here's to Hollywood's GOLDEN AGE!!   ^-^

It's been downhill ever since.

[sneakypete]

And neither do I until the homos and transgenders tell me I must cater to their marriages, tell my church that they must open their restrooms to them and perform their wedding services, or that they can have sex in public, while that I can't disagree publicly with their morality. <<

@Free Vulcan

I'm with ya on that stuff,and I suspect almost everybody else is,also.

>>Or push their crap on little elementary kids in school, tell kids they can be different genders or gay,<<

Some kids ARE homosexual at birth. They have no choice but to deal with it,and neither do you. They have just as many rights and freedoms as the rest of us. Deal with it.



 >>or have 14 y/o minor girls get abortions without parental consent. Or try to excuse pedophelia,<<

A 14 year old is a child,and NOBODY has a right to do non-emergency surgery on a 14 year old without parental permission. Period.

>>Then it becomes our business. Then it's over the line and in your face, and that's what liberals do. <<

First off,they aren't liberal in any sense of the word. Secondly,as for the "in your/my face" aspect,they also have a right to do that just like you have a right to tell them Jesus will hate them because they are homos.  You have a right to hate/resent it,and so do I,but what neither of us has is a RIGHT to interfere with their rights as American citizens. Freedom of speech is a two-way street.



>>They aren't libertarians, they are theocrats, and they will never ever ever ever ever ever ever stop until everyone agrees with them, has their beliefs, and lives exactly how they're told.<<

This is getting confusing,here. Who are you talking about now,the fascist left or the fascist religious types?

[mirraflake]

@mirraflake

My ex-best friend was a totally goody-two-shoes all her life.   Then last year, she up and divorces her husband, screws him out of some cash and then uses that money to go to Albania and marry some guy she met online who can't come here because he can't get a passport and he's not allowed into America anyway, apparently "He's on some kind of list or something"

I've seen it  a million times..absolutely shocking stories..  men and women I would never suspect.

@chae

[sneakypete]

And that might have worked well if liberals had left abortion as a states rights thing. <<

Huh? When did that legally change?

[sneakypete]

and now you back a man who says his own daughter is a "nice piece of @$$"

check mate

@geronl l


Out of all the nonsense that both Bubbette! and Donald Little Hands have regurgitated over the last several months,you are fixated on THAT?

HOW does that relate to protecting and preserving the US Constitution,protecting our borders,rebuilding our economy,eliminating bullshit laws that do nothing but empower government,etc,etc,etc?

I personally don't give a damn if he pimps her out so long as he does his job as president to do the things above.

[mirraflake]

You sure are full of yourself, aren't you, @sneakypete ?

Just for the record, though, your calling me a "church lady" makes me fall to the floor in gales of laughter.  It's funny for me to imagine you at your keyboard thinking you're leveling a great insult, and knowing it's really just dopey.

I will always be thankful that Hollywood produced absolutely great pictures in the 30's, with great stars, great acting, and completely watchable from beginning to end.

The self-censorship Hollywood did hasn't hurt you a bit.  There's been all kinds of garbage made since they dropped the code that I'm sure titillates you, so you have your entertainment.

But for those of us who prefer plot to porn, I'm glad there was a time when good movies were actually produced without gratuitous nonsense to please the less mature among us.

Here's to romance!  Here's to orchestras out in the forest and Mounties bursting into song!  Here's to Hollywood's GOLDEN AGE!!   ^-^

It's been downhill ever since.

I watched "Summer Stock" on TCM several months back..mainly to see the tractor Judy Garland bought ( I have one). I will be man enough to say I thought the movie was good and will watch it again...though I am a big fan of TCM anyway but also like my hedonistic movies lol.

My favorite list
Mr Blandings Builds His Dream House
Best Years of our Lives
Anything campy 50's sci fi

@musiclady

[sneakypete]

Just like those of us who oppose Trump on moral grounds are accused of being 'Ned Flanders types' positioning ourselves as the arbiter for what is and is not appropriate, I guess.

I have every right to say a TV show is perverted and immoral if I think it is. I'm not going to apologize for having standards of decency.

@geronl

Probably not,but you SHOULD apologize for setting yourself up as the arbitrator of what other adults "should be allowed to watch and enjoy".

The Ned Flanders tag is on the SPOT appropriate for the Bible Thumpers who think they are more moral than everyone else,and that THEY should be the ones to tell us what can should and what we should not enjoy. Don't even THINK about trying to claim you wouldn't make it illegal for anyone to do if you had the power because nobody is going to believe you. You have already spent too much time bitching about it.

If the cross fits,bear it.

[sneakypete]

I'm confused.  Are you trying to equate child porn with a zombie apocalypse show like The Walking Dead?  There's a serious disconnect here, if so.

Bottom line....if you have young kids, don't allow them to watch it.  Keep your opinion.  Nobody is saying otherwise.  Just don't try to dictate to others what they can or can't, should or shouldn't, watch.  JS....

@XenaLee

BUT....,BUT...,BUT....,DEYS A-SINNIN'! A-SINNIN',AH TELLS YA!

[sneakypete]

I have a right to share my opinion and I will. "I watched an episode and didn't like it" was the only thing I was going to post until I saw all the hate and filth sent towards those of us with standards.

@geronl

No,you started getting back what you were putting out and then claiming your "standards" are higher than ours because we watch a tv show you don't approve of.

You ARE Ned Flanders. If you were a female,you would be Mrs.Grundy of Robert Heinlein fame.  You probably don't approve of Heinlein,either.  Your loss,not ours.

[geronl]

@geronl

No,you started getting back what you were putting out and then claiming your "standards" are higher than ours because we watch a tv show you don't approve of.

Different standards or maybe some lack them completely. I don't care what shows you watch.

[chae]

The thing that cracks me up is that in one episode who had a guy get his leg cut off and these bad guys roasted and ate it while telling him that they were going to do the same to his girlfriend, but that's ok.  Heck the whole Terminus thing where they made people kneel in front of a trough and then they bashed their heads in and butchered them like hogs, that's cool, but now this is too far?  Really?

[sneakypete]

You sure are full of yourself, aren't you, @sneakypete ?<<

No,I'm just rational and I live in this century. I can see why that would confuse you.


>>Just for the record, though, your calling me a "church lady" makes me fall to the floor in gales of laughter.  It's funny for me to imagine you at your keyboard thinking you're leveling a great insult, and knowing it's really just dopey.<<

It was intended as an accurate description,not an insult. If being identified as a Church Lady offends you,I apologize.

Then again,if YOU consider it to be an insult,maybe you should loosen up a little?

>>I will always be thankful that Hollywood produced absolutely great pictures in the 30's, with great stars, great acting, and completely watchable from beginning to end.<<

And I will always be grateful nobody can force me to watch those snoozers. I did like the Marx Brothers movies,though. They were also out in the 30's,but I doubt you would admit to enjoying them.

>>The self-censorship Hollywood did hasn't hurt you a bit.  There's been all kinds of garbage made since they dropped the code that I'm sure titillates you, so you have your entertainment.<<

Ahhh,the passive-aggressive attack! Insult by implication so you can pretend you didn't do it. VERY smooth!

>>But for those of us who prefer plot to porn, I'm glad there was a time when good movies were actually produced without gratuitous nonsense to please the less mature among us.<<

There is somebody out there that is nekkid and doing "it" RIGHT NOW,and they might even live on the same block as you!

>>Here's to romance!  Here's to orchestras out in the forest and Mounties bursting into song!  Here's to Hollywood's GOLDEN AGE!!   ^-^<<

If it makes you happy to watch it,I am happy for you. Where you cross the line is wishing the rest of us were sentenced to watch it also.

 

[musiclady]

I watched "Summer Stock" on TCM several months back..mainly to see the tractor Judy Garland bought ( I have one). I will be man enough to say I thought the movie was good and will watch it again...though I am a big fan of TCM anyway but also like my hedonistic movies lol.

My favorite list
Mr Blandings Builds His Dream House
Best Years of our Lives
Anything campy 50's sci fi

@musiclady

Do you like the movie "THEM!" about the mutant ants, starring James Arness??  I LOVE that one!

And I also love Vincent Price in "House of Wax."

They don't make 'em like that any more!   ^-^

I'm also a Frank Capra fan.  They made fun of his corny movies even back when he made them, but "Mr Smith Goes to Washington" is still a classic that accurately describes what was going on in DC then, and still is today.

(Where's Jimmy Stewart when you need him, anyway??  )

[Idaho_Cowboy]

I've seen it  a million times..absolutely shocking stories..  men and women I would never suspect.

@chae

“He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire." -Winston Churchill.

[musiclady]

I hate the way you put your responses inside other posts, pete.  Could you do it like everyone else some time??

First, I am NOT "offended" by your stupid use of Church Lady.  I am amused that you actually think it has meaning.  I mean you're bright.  Why post meaningless things that make your 'victims' laugh at you?

As for "sentencing" you.......that's another meaningless, stupid comment.  I never said you didn't have the right to watch garbage.  Go ahead.  Fill your brain with whatever nastiness makes you feel good.

I'm just stating clearly, that if Hollywood hadn't self-censored, some of the greatest movies and greatest acting in history wouldn't exist, so I'm glad they had the SENSE to stop making dopey "sophisticated" movies in the early 30's and started making REAL films.

Enjoy whatever you want.  Just don't reduce yourself to calling people names whose tastes are more developed that your own.

[AllThatJazzZ]

I hate the way you put your responses inside other posts, pete.  Could you do it like everyone else some time??

@sneakypete
@musiclady

I agree with music lady re the formatting of your posts. This place is hard enough to navigate without someone throwing a wrench in it.

(For as awful as TOS has become, I will always give them massive kudos for navigability. How I  miss being able to follow a conversation between people and omit all the other posts on the thread.)

[musiclady]

@sneakypete
@musiclady

I agree with music lady re the formatting of your posts. This place is hard enough to navigate without someone throwing a wrench in it.

(For as awful as TOS has become, I will always give them massive kudos for navigability. How I  miss being able to follow a conversation between people and omit all the other posts on the thread.)

I think pete likes to throw wrenches in things, just for the heck of it.  ^-^

As for the navigation stuff, I agree.  But it's SO much better here where there is free thought, free speech, and an absence of that stupid Trump echo chamber there, that it's worth a little more effort to find things.

The "mentions" that was added not long ago, helps, but most folks don't do it.  And I only do if my response is long enough after the original post.

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete
@musiclady

I agree with music lady re the formatting of your posts. This place is hard enough to navigate without someone throwing a wrench in it.

(For as awful as TOS has become, I will always give them massive kudos for navigability. How I  miss being able to follow a conversation between people and omit all the other posts on the thread.)

@musiclady   @AllThatJazzZ

I really don't get it. I snip off the part I am quoting and reply directly below that in bold so there is a clear difference between what I am quoting and what I am writing. I honestly don't see how this causes any confusion. In fact,I do it to make it less confusing. If it's daylight hours I am usually out in my shop working on one of my cars and trucks,and come in the house to take a break and think about what I am doing and try to figure out a better way to do it. While doing this I am usually posting here and having what I am replying to directly above what I am writing makes it simpler for me to keep focused.

If it's after dark,I am usually watching tv at the same time and posting during commercials or when something is on I don't care much about.

When I am making one reply to a post I do it the traditional way,but to ME it makes sense to segment the original post and reply to each segment when trying to make different points.

[musiclady]

@musiclady   @AllThatJazzZ

I really don't get it. I snip off the part I am quoting and reply directly below that in bold so there is a clear difference between what I am quoting and what I am writing. I honestly don't see how this causes any confusion. In fact,I do it to make it less confusing. If it's daylight hours I am usually out in my shop working on one of my cars and trucks,and come in the house to take a break and think about what I am doing and try to figure out a better way to do it. While doing this I am usually posting here and having what I am replying to directly above what I am writing makes it simpler for me to keep focused.

If it's after dark,I am usually watching tv at the same time and posting during commercials or when something is on I don't care much about.

When I am making one reply to a post I do it the traditional way,but to ME it makes sense to segment the original post and reply to each segment when trying to make different points.

The problem is when we quote you, there's nothing there....... it's blank.  It makes it harder to respond to, not harder to read.  I have to go back and find your original post to make sure I'm not misquoting you, rather than seeing it in the quote.

It's not that big a deal, but it causes confusion for people responding to you and wanting to be accurate.

That was my only point.

[ABX]

I have a right to share my opinion and I will. "I watched an episode and didn't like it" was the only thing I was going to post until I saw all the hate and filth sent towards those of us with standards.

The problem many of us have isn't towards people who don't like the show or things like it, but what I called "Ned Flanders" types I referred to earlier. Those are the ones who try to get the government to force their will.  It is in reference to a Simpson's character who in several episodes, was a big government activist watching every single TV show and complaining to the government about every bad word or anything he objected to in order to get them taken off the air. In another episode, he was put in charge of the city's CCTV system and watched and tried to correct every single person's bad behavior.  Basically a SJW.

Using the government in that way is what we find offensive, not someone who has personal standards what they watch.

[mountaineer]

Just like those of us who oppose Trump on moral grounds are accused of being 'Ned Flanders types' ...

Darn, I thought we'd get through an entire thread without an unnecessary mention of Trump.