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Amateur scientists can buy kits online which let them genetically edit bacteria

    Sarah Knapton, Science Editor

30 September 2016 • 6:01am

Garage scientists' could unleash dangerous genetically-modified organisms into the environment using unregulated technology which is already available online, a new report has warned.

The Nuffield Council on Bioethics said that chemistry kits which allow genetic editing can already be bought online for under £100.

Scientists are concerned that a new technique, called Crispr, is now so cheap and widely available that amateurs will start experimenting at home, or in school labs.

The technique works like genetic scissors to cut away DNA code and replace it with new genes. It has been hailed as one the most significant scientific breakthroughs in recent years, with enthusiasts claiming that it could wipe out inherited diseases like cystic fibrosis and produce crops which are resistant to drought or pests....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/09/30/diy-garage-scientists-could-unleash-genetically-edited-organisms/

Sounds wacky, but could be.  Could just be. 

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Yay, just what we need.
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Sounds wacky, but could be.  Could just be.

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Sounds wacky, but could be.  Could just be.

Lots of people want to play God these days.  Ironically, most of them don't believe in God.  It's going to be interesting to see what results from these amateurs.
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Lots of people want to play God these days.  Ironically, most of them don't believe in God.  It's going to be interesting to see what results from these amateurs.

Ain't gonna be interesting it is going to be the shits when Uncle Bob's Dysentery sweeps the nation.
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Ain't gonna be interesting it is going to be the shits when Uncle Bob's Dysentery sweeps the nation.

Oh, I'm quite sure that Uncle Bob (and his cohorts) has something much more ""fun"" than mere dysentery in store for humanity. 
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The genie is already out of the bottle, the only thing stopping people really is simply knowledge. Expect that to be a roadblock cleared within the next decade.

Don't expect the government to save us either.

Probably the only real counter are 'good guys with editing kits' (companies and private individuals making counter strains of potential dangerous bacteria etc that are created by home brewers).

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The genie is already out of the bottle, the only thing stopping people really is simply knowledge. Expect that to be a roadblock cleared within the next decade.

Don't expect the government to save us either.

Probably the only real counter are 'good guys with editing kits' (companies and private individuals making counter strains of potential dangerous bacteria etc that are created by home brewers).
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McCOY: But, dear Lord, do you think we're intelligent enough to... Suppose, what if this thing were used where life already exists?
SPOCK: It would destroy such life in favour of its new matrix.
McCOY: It's new matrix? ...Do you have you any idea what you're saying?
SPOCK: I was not attempting to evaluate its moral implications, Doctor. As a matter of cosmic history, it has always been easier to destroy than to create.
McCOY: Not anymore! Now we can do both at the same time! According to myth, the Earth was created in six days. Now, watch out! Here comes Genesis, we'll do it for you in six minutes.
SPOCK: Really, Doctor McCoy, you must learn to govern your passions. They will be your undoing. Logic suggests...
McCOY: Logic? My God! The man's talking about logic! We're talking about universal Armageddon, you green-blooded, inhuman...
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Lol!  Ok.  You got me.  I'm a Trekkie. 

How did you know?   :silly:
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Sounds wacky, but could be.  Could just be.

Of course  it could be - this is how the genie always gets out of the bottle (think about that analogy for a bit)...

First comes pestilences.
Then comes therions (ask a Greek about that word).
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Lots of people want to play God these days.  Ironically, most of them don't believe in God.  It's going to be interesting to see what results from these amateurs.

Play, be, and certainly judge, rule over and interfere with others lives as if they were. Liberals being the worst at that. It's amazing how many there are today.
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Of course  it could be - this is how the genie always gets out of the bottle (think about that analogy for a bit)...

First comes pestilences.
Then comes therions (ask a Greek about that word).
It is written.

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Therion (formerly Blitzkrieg, Megatherion) is a Swedish symphonic metal band founded by Christofer Johnsson in 1987. Its name was inspired by the Celtic Frost album To Mega Therion. "To Mega Therion" is Greek for "The Great Beast" and was a title used by occultist Aleister Crowley.[1][2]

Originally a death metal band, Therion adjusted its musical style by adding orchestral elements, including choirs, classical musicians, and even a full orchestra at their concert performances. As a result, it has popularized the symphonic metal genre.[3] In their biography, they state they have been cited as "the most adventurous metal band at present".[4]

Therion takes its themes from different mythologies and practices, including occultism, magic and ancient traditions and writings. Thomas Karlsson, the head and founder of the magical order Dragon Rouge, has provided lyrics for the band since 1996.[note 1][5][6]

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This is a deadly serious issue. Mismanagement of the world's technology and resources by government/corporate entities is one of the great problems of the Age. It's not the little people, either individually or even in large numbers who pose the greatest risk of causing the most problems in the world. Billionaires or companies/nations with billions to spend to mess with things are the worst menace to Humanity.

Of all the thinkers of our age, the two I am aware of who had their fingers on the pulse most effectively were Dr. Michael Crichton and R. Buckminster Fuller.

Crichton's books and many of his lectures in the later part of his life, dealt with government licentiousness teaming up with corporate greed / ambition to wreak havoc. He had very pointed concerns about Genetic Engineering from that POV - not the technology, but ANY technology in the hands of an out-of-control  corporatist aristocracy.

Crichton's novels State of Fear, Prey and Next specifically deal with this, although the theme is also present in many or most of his novels. The Jurassic Park character portrayed by Jeff Goldblum probably represents Crichton's own personal attitude toward the current state of the world's arrogance about technology and the (to his mind) insane notion that human beings can responsibly manage homeostatic systems with available knowledge and technology without risking catastrophe.

 Recent research in DNA hase revealed that there are entire dimensions to the DNA molecule which suggest that regions heretofore thought inert are actually active and that we have simply been unaware of it. Nonetheless, we have made changes to DNA in many experiments, products and procedures achieving results but also functioning somewhat blind to the possibility that while we are working in two or three dimensions of functionality, DNA itself is functional in more than two.

In the most serious sense, with GE we may be playing two dimensional chess while the universe is playing three.

R Buckminster Fuller wrote in his autobiography/magnum opus "Critical Path" of the history of technology and of how corporatism and government licentiousness threaten to usurp technology and apply it to narrow, nefarious, oligarchic ends instead of to promote the greatest common good and the general welfare of Humanity.

Award-winning SF author William Gibson (Neromancer) writes an even darker view of the future than Fuller or Crichton and declares that humans have actually already created the lifeform which will supplant, replace and potentially destroy Humanity - corporations. Gibson points out that corporation already fulfill most or all of the prerequisites to be considered a sentient life form: maintains homeostasis in a chaotic environment, defends itself, reproduces, adapts, excretes, respires, evolves, consumes, has motility(moves) and where possible, establishes domination of territory (as a predator).

Gibson's view is extremely disturbing when viewed in the context of history of technology where each iteration of technological breakthroughs (from mechanical to chemical to electronic to sub-atomic to computerized) has led to more power being vested in corporations and governments. He foresees a not too distant time when multinational corporations unite in an unholy alliance with governments to form an effective Empire where the needs and priorities of the People are subsumed and largely trampled underfoot by a militant, amoral, all powerful global oligarchy which lays absolute claim tp and domination
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