You also need a willing military and no other strong institutions. Nor is there any evidence that the "willing populace" actually exists. Again, true fascists develop pseudo-military organizations that actively use violence to eliminate rivals. They have organized street gangs, often uniformed, and sufficient goon lieutenants to serves as sub-commanders and willing leaders.
If you wait for the spiffy uniforms to come in, you waited too long. Besides, don't the red hats count for something? After all Trump is cheap when it comes to shelling out for that stuff.
Trump has none of that. There is zero evidence of actual street level gangs or violence on anything other than a negligible scale. Rather than pointing to actual violence, or anything remotely resembling something like the Sturmabteilung, you're pointing to ridiculous threats made by keyboard commandos in their basements. KellyAnne Conway is not Ernst Roehm. Sean Hannity is not Joseph Goebbels. Mike Pence is not Heinrich Himmler.
You missed the point. It isn't a question of going "Oh sh*t, we're being marched to the 40 & 8's on the way to the ovens." By then it would be too late, anyway. The whole idea is to prevent any of that, to stop it before it gets rolling. encouraging punching protesters and paying for legal fees is far enough off the charts. Step outside normalcy bias and the perspective changes.
Start with "It
can happen here, and then see what you see. Many of us have talked with people who were there for the last time this sort of thing happened. While the exesses are obvious in retrospect, they didn't just pop up overnight, they grew out of other things, and those trends, subtle at first can be the harbingers of worse to come. The objective is to see it before the situation develops to critical mass.
If you really want to be honest about this, the only demonstrated potential for such a movement lies on the left. There, we actually do have large street gangs using physical intimidation to suppress rivals. There is BLM, and radical Latino gangs/movements on the West Coast. There are SJW actually growing violent, shutting down attempts by conservatives to speak, and in many cases physically assaulting political opponents -- including Trump supporters -- with whom they disagree. Do I need to post those videos?
No need, to post the videos. That isn't potential, by the way, they are doing it. But a second look shows they are doing it to their own neighborhoods, and there is a profit motive. The funny part is that while pointing to those groups who anger Trump followers, you ignore the possibility of those leftists (like the Communists those Nationalists were opposed to) getting outside of those neighborhoods and eliciting a backlash that would put countering violent groups in the streets to widespread acclaim.
Instead of an alternative, the Marxist groups would be the triggering factor.
There is your real threat of fascism. Not just threats, but actual violence to back up those threats. Political opponents beaten up, law enforcement officers [/I]murdered.[/I] And those groups have an actual ally running for office. They'll have control of the Justice Department, which may well turn an institutional blind eye to acts of voter intimidation and violence by the left. You'll have a leftist dominated federal court system that will likely give them comparatively free rein as long as they can make anything other than a laugh out loud argument. All of this is real.
Right. Communists (Marxists) versus fascists (who believe in government control of privately owned industry, far closer to the GOP). Violence justifying a violent backlash. Sounding a little Wiemar yet?
Why aren't you concerned and posting about that? Objectively, there is your true, real threat of fascism, and it's not even that far away.
No, it is a threat of
communism, not fascism. Read my comment above how that could trigger the very backlash you are too busy saying doesn't exist. One riot in the wrong neighborhood, and it'll happen.
It is an infinitely more credible and realistic threat than some clown making a stupid remark about dogs.
I made no remark about dogs, but currently they are used to provide probable cause to pick through your stuff if you really don't want your vehicle searched because your tail light was out. The assertion only need be made that your property is the result of drug dealing and the police have it, you have to sue to get it back. Is that totalitarian enough for you? As for a real threat, not where I live.
The leftist thugs are real, and active.
Yep. What amazes me is that you don't see both 'sides' have their thugs, neither will follow the Constitution, and both want totalitarian control. Do you see a dictator as okay, so long as he is 'your' dictator? TO me, that totalitarianism is a threat, either way.
When someone asks how it was that we let actual fascists come to power, I guess you can at least say "well, it's better than having a guy who was in a porn video.
You really haven't been paying attention, have you? Instead, your emotional attachment to Trump is blinding you to what people are trying to say, either that or your fear of Hillary is. Hillary is an effing MARXIST, not a fascist. I don't want her, either, frankly. But you are so emotionally invested in defending Trump, and the people supporting him, that it is like he said, he could shoot someone on 5th avenue and nobody would care. You refuse to see that there are some serious problems with him, too.
@Smokin Joe , if you are truly concerned about fascism in this country, and aren't just using that as a cheap political argument against Trump, then you are currently aiming your fire in the wrong direction.
Nope, we're surrounded.
First, I think you need to get your 'isms' straight.
http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/fascism_and_communism-socialism.html Neither is a friend of a Constitutional Republic.
Unfortunately, the Republic is not represented by either major party this time around.
For those of us trying to spot trends before events happen to make them obvious, it is challenging, but small deviations from the desired course add up fast. If you choose to not see them, that is something you do at your peril. If you wait until folks in spiffy uniforms are shooting people in the streets, it's too late. The idea is to keep things from ever getting there (again) by spotting it before it happens.
