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"However, it's still an attempt by those who unquestionably back Trump  to denigrate those who oppose Trump."

This is the only election I have ever been involved in my life where this statement is presented as a sin. Of course Trump supporters back Trump. That is why they are called Trump supporters. Why is it suddenly a bad thing to support the candidate that you support? That is just weird thinking.

And, this statement indicates clearly that #NeverTrump is not the target of Trump supporters, they just happen to be on the side of the enemy. The opposite of this is, if you do not oppose Trump, meaning that you respectfully abstain, then no one cares what you do. But when NeverTrump comes out campaigning on the same side as the Hillary people, then of course they will be targeted.

How could they not be? They have become part of the opposition, and not neutral by any stretch of imagination as they so often claim.

If you campaign against the declared Republican nominee in an election, for whatever lofty, "principled", goals you may have, you are still working toward the goal that someone other than the Republican should win. Obviously, here in reality land, that will come with some blowback. If you can't take it, then stay out of the kitchen. And claiming that you are destroying the Republican Party to save it, and therefore you deserve some 'special pass', is not going to work.
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Are you kidding? I don't even negotiate for less than a pallet.

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Here's what bothers me about this article:

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That, however, was not to be, as Trump’s public spanking of Jeb Bush resulted in Jeb crying for mommy from the debate stage. Bush left the race with his tail between his legs, and a mountain of unspent cash in his campaign accounts (which he later used to destroy Marco Rubio, a fellow Republican).

For me, my opposition to Trump was in large part based on what an uncivil bleep he was during the debates. It actually made me feel bad for Jeb. As a society we are increasingly rewarding worse and worse behavior and Trump is simply an extension of that.

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I felt bad for Jeb as well.  I most certainly did not want him as the nominee, but at least he was honest about what he thought. 
I do not think that Jeb is fundamentally a terrible human being, which is more than I can say for Trump.

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This is the only election I have ever been involved in my life where this statement is presented as a sin. Of course Trump supporters back Trump. That is why they are called Trump supporters. Why is it suddenly a bad thing to support the candidate that you support? That is just weird thinking.

Because that's not what this article does.  The author is not "supporting Trump."  He's committing libel against those who do not support Trump. 

You probably shouldn't be lecturing anybody about "weird thinking."
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Try 'splaining that to the writer.

To what point/end?  You can't "explain" anything to someone with that kind of steel trap closed mind.  You can't reason with them.  It would therefore be a waste of my time.

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"Cruz stormed onto the altar preaching hellfire and brimstone."

Cruz neither stormed nor preached.  And I don't waste my energy on liars.

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I hope you guys are using balances with all those checks. I would really hate to hear you were found buried under a ton of money.
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To what point/end?  You can't "explain" anything to someone with that kind of steel trap closed mind.  You can't reason with them.  It would therefore be a waste of my time.

Cruz neither stormed nor preached.  And I don't waste my energy on liars.

Cruz should have done what Trump did. Stormed onto the Alter. Right?
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"However, it's still an attempt by those who unquestionably back Trump  to denigrate those who oppose Trump."

This is the only election I have ever been involved in my life where this statement is presented as a sin. Of course Trump supporters back Trump. That is why they are called Trump supporters. Why is it suddenly a bad thing to support the candidate that you support? That is just weird thinking.

And, this statement indicates clearly that #NeverTrump is not the target of Trump supporters, they just happen to be on the side of the enemy. The opposite of this is, if you do not oppose Trump, meaning that you respectfully abstain, then no one cares what you do. But when NeverTrump comes out campaigning on the same side as the Hillary people, then of course they will be targeted.

How could they not be? They have become part of the opposition, and not neutral by any stretch of imagination as they so often claim.

If you campaign against the declared Republican nominee in an election, for whatever lofty, "principled", goals you may have, you are still working toward the goal that someone other than the Republican should win. Obviously, here in reality land, that will come with some blowback. If you can't take it, then stay out of the kitchen. And claiming that you are destroying the Republican Party to save it, and therefore you deserve some 'special pass', is not going to work.
You act as if it is not possible to speak ill of both at the same time.

And I care nothing about the Republican Party, a corrupt shell of an organization that survives only because slightly less than half the American people, at least for now, see a need for an opposition party to the Democratic Party machine, and the GOP is the one that people choose by default simply because it's there, much like the Whigs were in the mid-19th century. They don't stand for much anymore, and when the abolitionists stood up and created the Republican Party, the Whigs collapsed.

Eventually the Republicans will meet the same fate. An issue will resonate with the American people, an injustice that the machine Democrats won't touch, and a new party will embrace it. With luck, it will be one that leads to a revival of conservatism.
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You act as if it is not possible to speak ill of both at the same time.

And I care nothing about the Republican Party, a corrupt shell of an organization that survives only because slightly less than half the American people, at least for now, see a need for an opposition party to the Democratic Party machine, and the GOP is the one that people choose by default simply because it's there, much like the Whigs were in the mid-19th century. They don't stand for much anymore, and when the abolitionists stood up and created the Republican Party, the Whigs collapsed.

Eventually the Republicans will meet the same fate. An issue will resonate with the American people, an injustice that the machine Democrats won't touch, and a new party will embrace it. With luck, it will be one that leads to a revival of conservatism.

I speak ill of both the New York liberals all the time so it is definitely possible.  I will continue to do so.
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"However, it's still an attempt by those who unquestionably back Trump  to denigrate those who oppose Trump."

This is the only election I have ever been involved in my life where this statement is presented as a sin. Of course Trump supporters back Trump. That is why they are called Trump supporters. Why is it suddenly a bad thing to support the candidate that you support? That is just weird thinking.

And, this statement indicates clearly that #NeverTrump is not the target of Trump supporters, they just happen to be on the side of the enemy. The opposite of this is, if you do not oppose Trump, meaning that you respectfully abstain, then no one cares what you do. But when NeverTrump comes out campaigning on the same side as the Hillary people, then of course they will be targeted.
It's only the same side from where you are looking because it isn't your side. Sometimes, there are more than just two or three sides to be on. Keep in mind that we also understand that the enemy of my enemy isn't necessarily anything more than the enemy of my enemy. That doesn't make them my friend.
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How could they not be? They have become part of the opposition, and not neutral by any stretch of imagination as they so often claim.
I never claimed to be neutral.
The problem is that a false dichotomy doesn't give you a wide enough worldview to understand there are other options beside being on the other 'team', which is a flawed model, anyway. This isn't some sports contest where everyone gets paid at the end, this is a fight for the soul of a country, and those of us who have taken a principled stand against Big Government Liberalism aren't the largest group. Apparently, the outcome of this conflict is not one in which principles matter to the many, or they would not be where they are.
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If you campaign against the declared Republican nominee in an election, for whatever lofty, "principled", goals you may have, you are still working toward the goal that someone other than the Republican should win.
Well, that was a 'Sherlock moment'.

 Obviously. Just not the person so many Trump supporters assume us to be backing, even those who have been told otherwise. Logically, we would not back either Big Government Liberal, so why would we back the other one? We don't. We're not on either plantation, but have gone over the proverbial fence and found pastures less grazed, and far less fertilized.
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Obviously, here in reality land, that will come with some blowback. If you can't take it, then stay out of the kitchen. And claiming that you are destroying the Republican Party to save it, and therefore you deserve some 'special pass', is not going to work.
I'm not 'destroying' anything. Letting the GOP collapse over its own structural contortions in order to back a big government liberal at the top of the ticket should suffice. It's time to leave the building or be part of the debris. Although this year there is a rare opportunity to pick up part of the traditionally Democrat Leftist vote, maybe some of those primary voters who have decided they'll continue to back the guy they backed in the Primaries instead of Cankles, because they can't vote for Bernie.

Those of us voting for the Constitution Party candidate, or the Libertarian, just aren't voting GOP at the top of the ticket this time around. Handle it.
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We're not on either plantation, but have gone over the proverbial fence and found pastures less grazed, and far less fertilized.

Very nice turn of phrase.  Pithy and concise.

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Awwww... are rational people not being nice enough to you?  What a pity.   ^-^

Look at the passive-aggressive insult. That must have really irritated you.

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Have a flower.



OOOoooh!  An opiate for the masses!

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Notice how many of the Trumpists' insults against Ted Cruz involve religion or his religious belief in one way or another. Also, how often they'll make sneering comments about the religion, morality, or principles of conservatives in general. Gee, it's almost as if Trumpists have some sort of problem with religion, or people who take a principled or moral stand on issues.

I wonder why that is?   :pondering:

The barn door was opened in 2012... and there was no concerted effort to close the door to prevent it from happening again.

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Here's what bothers me about this article:

For me, my opposition to Trump was in large part based on what an uncivil bleep he was during the debates. It actually made me feel bad for Jeb. As a society we are increasingly rewarding worse and worse behavior and Trump is simply an extension of that.

Its simple. I cannot bring myself to support someone who so obviously knowingly lied about his primary opposition, and represented himself as something his past clearly indicates he is not.

All the browbeating and insults on God's green earth won't make voting for this piece of work any easier.



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Awwww... are rational people not being nice enough to you?  What a pity.   ^-^

Actually, rational people are fine with us.  It's just you lot we have problems with.
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How ironic, proponents of one of the greediest, sleaziest people to grace the Earth accusing those that refuse to worship their Lord Julius because of their greed? Well what  kind of argument would you expect from supporters of Lord Orange other insults and attempts to guilt. I have no more intention of letting Hillary become President than I do of letting Trump become President, both are morally bankrupt, live for their own aggrandizement and are as trustworthy as a weasel in a hen house.

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OOOoooh!  An opiate for the masses!
The poppy come in orange for the trumpanzees. 

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I had to install a loading dock for all my Clinton money.

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Must be nice.  I didn't meet my quota this month, so all I got from Hillary was an IOU and a gift card for a pumpkin spice latte.