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Re: Cruz steps into spotlight for Trump
« Reply #50 on: July 18, 2016, 12:24:28 pm »
real conservatives have nothing in common with Trump

Except they despise Hillary.

I loathe Trump. He's a fraud and a slanderer who conned his way to the nomination by telling the gullible wing of the Republican Party lies. Amoral trump is however better than evil Hillary.
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Re: Cruz steps into spotlight for Trump
« Reply #51 on: July 18, 2016, 12:44:22 pm »
Every night I get the robo call. I just hang up. The local party rep called a month or so ago and I told him that I would never vote for Trump and he said he was hearing that from a lot of people who use to work the polls.

I think Sen Cruz's speech will be great.
I just told them every call I get will guarantee another dollar for an opponent. I clicked the (hard to find) "unsubscribe" from every Trump e-mail. Don't bother folks. I can't keep them out of my mailbox and don't have a parakeet, so that just goes straight to the landfill. After all, there are starving children in Africa or somewhere, and I have few dollars to go around this year.

Cruz could take this in a number of different directions. To say the least, this will be interesting.
I would be seriously disappointed should he endorse Trump.
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Re: Cruz steps into spotlight for Trump
« Reply #52 on: July 18, 2016, 01:05:36 pm »


 :amen:

The title is just another example of journalistic malpractice...
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Re: Cruz steps into spotlight for Trump
« Reply #53 on: July 18, 2016, 01:37:05 pm »
I'll be voting against Hillary & Trump.

I'be joining you!
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Re: Cruz steps into spotlight for Trump
« Reply #54 on: July 18, 2016, 01:39:10 pm »
The title is just another example of journalistic malpractice...

Yep!
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Re: Cruz steps into spotlight for Trump
« Reply #55 on: July 18, 2016, 01:41:28 pm »
I am a Cruz supporter, even to the degree that I did donate to the campaign, not a lot, but it was the first time I had ever done so.

I think Cruz will endorse somewhat, but it will be a game of semantics.

Something along the lines of "Let's all support the Republican ticket to undo the wrongs of 8 years of failed leadership", etc...

It wouldn't be a deal breaker as far as I am concerned, with respect to supporting Cruz in the future.

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Re: Cruz steps into spotlight for Trump
« Reply #56 on: July 18, 2016, 01:47:41 pm »
Except they despise Hillary.

I loathe Trump. He's a fraud and a slanderer who conned his way to the nomination by telling the gullible wing of the Republican Party lies. Amoral trump is however better than evil Hillary.

July 5 snapped things in crystal clear focus. HRC must  not be my son's CINC.

That is how I found self justification to vote for Trump. It was a tough slog to get there

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Re: Cruz steps into spotlight for Trump
« Reply #57 on: July 18, 2016, 02:05:56 pm »
I'll go out on a limb and say Mr. Cruz will do what is expected of him at such an important moment with all eyes on him and give a full throated and ringing endorsement of Donald Trump as Republican nominee – as he should have done when he was mathematically eliminated after Indiana. Yet, as we all know, he only suspended.

In any event, this should be riveting to witness how this all goes down.

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Re: Cruz steps into spotlight for Trump
« Reply #58 on: July 18, 2016, 03:22:58 pm »

...and I will not be voting for the toilet paper ticket.



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Re: Cruz steps into spotlight for Trump
« Reply #59 on: July 18, 2016, 03:30:20 pm »
Amoral trump is however better than evil Hillary.

Amorality is largely a myth... a definition of a thing present only in theory.There is no moral neutral.

Trump's character is immoral - Just owning casinos, strip clubs, and escort services is evidence enough, or would have been mere decades ago (well within my lifetime). It was so much easier to maintain clarity when his kind were on the other side of the railroad tracks.

Regardless, the outcome will be the same. Investing in a man of low character is perilous, and without any valid modifier of any kind.

Those who do will inevitably rue the day.

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Re: Cruz steps into spotlight for Trump
« Reply #60 on: July 18, 2016, 03:34:31 pm »
I am a Cruz supporter, even to the degree that I did donate to the campaign, not a lot, but it was the first time I had ever done so.

I think Cruz will endorse somewhat, but it will be a game of semantics.

Something along the lines of "Let's all support the Republican ticket to undo the wrongs of 8 years of failed leadership", etc...

It wouldn't be a deal breaker as far as I am concerned, with respect to supporting Cruz in the future.

Cruz will pull a Reagan '76 - denounce the progressive leadership of the past years, link Hillary with it, and articulate where the country needs to go.

And thats all he should do.

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Re: Cruz steps into spotlight for Trump
« Reply #61 on: July 18, 2016, 08:11:00 pm »
Except they despise Hillary.

I loathe Trump. He's a fraud and a slanderer who conned his way to the nomination by telling the gullible wing of the Republican Party lies. Amoral trump is however better than evil Hillary.

I posted two video clips, one of immortality and the other of amorality.  Please watch them?

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,215744.msg963698.html#msg963698

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« Reply #62 on: July 18, 2016, 09:21:25 pm »
I'm sure he appreciates you setting that record straight.  LOL.  I guess I figured he was at least Republican.  It never occurred to me to think otherwise.  Neither did I assume he supported Trump.  I didn't think you could live in the same house with him if he did.  LOL.  I just figured you were making the point that you go by your own conscience and not any one else, even those closest to you.

If he supported Trump, things around here would be...interesting, lol.

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Re: Cruz steps into spotlight for Trump
« Reply #63 on: July 18, 2016, 09:24:04 pm »
@HonestJohn

I'd endorse, if he met my price.

And I'd tell the world what I got out of it.  $32.5 million in gold located in an overshore lock-box, plus a mansion on the French Riviera.

(What can I say, I want to hobnob with exiled African dictators...)

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Doesn't everyone?

You'd have to make sure that agreement was ironclad.  Trump is thorough when it involves his wallet.

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« Reply #64 on: July 18, 2016, 09:28:09 pm »
@HonestJohn

Doesn't everyone?

You'd have to make sure that agreement was ironclad.  Trump is thorough when it involves his wallet.

That's why it's gold in a lock-box.  Once I get the key, he can't get back into it and cart off the gold.

...

I'd say I'm offering him a bargain deal.  Come on, Trump, take the deal!

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Re: Cruz steps into spotlight for Trump
« Reply #65 on: July 18, 2016, 09:41:20 pm »
If he supported Trump, things around here would be...interesting, lol.

There is a difference between supporting and endorsing.

"I support these conservative principles currently espoused by Mr. Trump"
                            versus
"I endorse Mr. Trump and urge you to vote for him as well."

I'm ok with one, but not so much with the other.

(edited to add:  Just general thoughts around the whole Ted Cruz/Donald Trump conversation, by the way, and not specific to Mr. CoA!)

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Re: Cruz steps into spotlight for Trump
« Reply #66 on: July 19, 2016, 12:17:55 pm »
July 5 snapped things in crystal clear focus. HRC must  not be my son's CINC.


That is how I found self justification to vote for Trump. It was a tough slog to get there

My justification is to get to watch Trump folks go full meltdown when he doesn't deport or build a wall. Then maybe,  maybe,  they'll get what we are saying.   I hope Cruz is in his face every hour of every day asking about the wall, common core, etc.  The spotlight will be more on Cruz now and the whole country will finally get to see him as a real conservative warrior outside the campaign trail.  There will be stark difference in he and Trump  (action vs. Talk ) and maybe that will open 2020 for him. 

Honestly,  I don't how Trump survives if he ends up with dem house and Senate.  He get impeached at the very least.  Sad thing is,  they'll probably have a number of grounds to do it on. 

Then again, thinking here could be completely off the rails. 
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Re: Cruz steps into spotlight for Trump
« Reply #67 on: July 19, 2016, 12:51:07 pm »
Actually, I hope Cruz announces his intention to run as an Independent, and then walks out.
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Re: Cruz steps into spotlight for Trump
« Reply #68 on: July 19, 2016, 01:09:32 pm »
Actually, I hope Cruz announces his intention to run as an Independent, and then walks out.

I don't think he's that dumb.  He has a future in the GOP and he knows it.  Yes he needs to work on style, embrace more mainstream issues and demonstrate an ability to bring opposing sides together.  But he has the ability.  He just wasn't seen as a likeable candidate this campaign.
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« Reply #69 on: July 19, 2016, 01:13:04 pm »
I don't think he's that dumb.  He has a future in the GOP and he knows it.  Yes he needs to work on style, embrace more mainstream issues and demonstrate an ability to bring opposing sides together.  But he has the ability.  He just wasn't seen as a likeable candidate this campaign.

I saw him as the best last hope for this once great nation but that's over with now. After 4 years of Hillary there won't be anything left to save!
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Re: Cruz steps into spotlight for Trump
« Reply #70 on: July 19, 2016, 01:28:07 pm »
I saw him as the best last hope for this once great nation but that's over with now. After 4 years of Hillary there won't be anything left to save!

Yeah. Too bad the NBC issue would have derailed Cruz as a general election candidate, since the details of his Canadian and American citizenship still remain pretty murky.

Also I agree with MAC, Ted Cruz lacked the likability factor. In the modern era that's an important aspect of any candidate's chances for a successful general election campaign.
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Re: Cruz steps into spotlight for Trump
« Reply #71 on: July 19, 2016, 02:02:06 pm »
I don't think he's that dumb.  He has a future in the GOP and he knows it.  Yes he needs to work on style, embrace more mainstream issues and demonstrate an ability to bring opposing sides together.  But he has the ability.  He just wasn't seen as a likeable candidate this campaign.
Cruz was hit with the full-court smear and slander campaign from Trump and fellow travelers, attacking his integrity, his wife, his marital fidelity, claims of 'cheating and stealing delegates' when he was going by the rules, even claiming his father had something to do with the JFK assassination (Just before the NE primaries, even!!) Considering Trump had a LOT of 'free' airtime in the press for his antics, the continuous spew barely let Cruz get a word in edgewise.

Likable? Anyone less would have been burned at the stake.

If the same tactics had been applied to Trump by the media and Cruz supporters, and the 'fix' hadn't been in at the GOPee, he'd be selling pencils out of a tin cup.
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Re: Cruz steps into spotlight for Trump
« Reply #72 on: July 19, 2016, 02:26:12 pm »
Cruz was hit with the full-court smear and slander campaign from Trump and fellow travelers, attacking his integrity, his wife, his marital fidelity, claims of 'cheating and stealing delegates' when he was going by the rules, even claiming his father had something to do with the JFK assassination (Just before the NE primaries, even!!) Considering Trump had a LOT of 'free' airtime in the press for his antics, the continuous spew barely let Cruz get a word in edgewise.

Likable? Anyone less would have been burned at the stake.

If the same tactics had been applied to Trump by the media and Cruz supporters, and the 'fix' hadn't been in at the GOPee, he'd be selling pencils out of a tin cup.

One of the issues I've had with the true Trump supporters was their refusal to see his weaknesses.  The same goes for Cruz.  I could see myself voting for Cruz in the future, but he has to make some personal changes in his style and his willingness to work to get things done.  That means negotiation and compromise, something he has demonstrated an inability to do.  Yeah he got hammered by Trump, but he did little to bolster his case that he would or could be a president for all Americans.  But as I've said, he can make some changes and come back.
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Re: Cruz steps into spotlight for Trump
« Reply #73 on: July 19, 2016, 03:20:06 pm »
Yeah. Too bad the NBC issue would have derailed Cruz as a general election candidate, since the details of his Canadian and American citizenship still remain pretty murky.

This was resolved in court in Cruz's favor. 

And, no, outside of the dumbest of the Trumplickers (and that's pretty dumb, given the sample set), no one considers Cruz's citizenship murky.
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« Reply #74 on: July 19, 2016, 03:33:23 pm »
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