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LOUISVILLE, Ky. (WDRB) -- Boxing legend Muhammad Ali has been hospitalized and is being treated for a respiratory issue, according to a family spokesperson.

"Ali, who suffers from Parkinson’s disease, is being treated by his team of doctors and is in fair condition," wrote family spokesman Bob Gunnell in a written statement.  "A brief hospital stay is expected. At this time, the Muhammad Ali family respectfully requests privacy."

Stay with WDRB News. We'll update this story as it develops.
http://www.wdrb.com/story/32125118/muhammad-ali-hospitalized-for-treatment-of-respiratory-issue

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http://nypost.com/2016/06/03/muhammad-ali-in-worse-shape-than-earlier-hospital-stays-insiders/



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Muhammad Ali placed on life support

By Chris Perez

June 3, 2016 | 1:41pm | Updated

Muhammad Ali has been placed on life support — and his family fears that it “likely won’t be long until he passes away,” according to a report.

The 74-year-old boxing legend was hospitalized in Scottsdale, Ariz., for a respiratory issue on Thursday and insiders tell Radar Online that his loved ones are now rushing to his side because it appears his condition has worsened.

“He needs every bit of fight he’s got left to survive,” a source told the website. “Doctors are telling the family that it likely won’t be long until he passes away.”

Another source said Ali’s vitals “are terrible” at the moment and he is currently relying on medical help to breathe.

His rep told the Associated Press on Thursday that the respiratory problems that the former heavyweight champion was facing had been complicated by the Parkinson’s disease he was diagnosed with in the 1980s.

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He was the greatest, Rest in Peace.
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Very sad news but after all the hits he took over his years boxing 74 is a pretty good run.

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My condolences; it certainly came on sudden.

For years, it seemed he was suffering from maladies indeed.

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At times, I think we was the most recognizable face on the planet so they say.

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From Franklin Graham on his Facebook page:

The world has lost a champion. Muhammad Ali was considered by many as the greatest boxer of all time. His career began during a difficult period in our country with the racial tensions of the 1960s and the Vietnam War. His outspoken positions caused him to be both loved and hated by some. I had the privilege of meeting him on several occasions, and he visited at my parents' home in Montreat, North Carolina. Muhammad Ali’s father brought him to visit my father Billy Graham because he was concerned over Ali’s faith in Islam and was afraid that his son had been led astray. They had a great visit, and my father had prayer with him. They met together again several years ago in Louisville, Kentucky, when my father was there to preach. My prayers are with his family as they mourn this loss.
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Muhammad Ali was considered by many as the greatest boxer of all time

Not to diminish his greatness, but could he have defeated Joe Louis or Rocky Marciano at their prime?


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Good riddance to treasonous and cowardly Muslim trash. Damn shame it didn't happen 50 years ago.
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He was the greatest, Rest in Peace.

No,he was adequate,and VERY careful about who he agreed to fight.

The Greatest Boxer of the 20th Century was Rocky Marciano.
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But there were things even he couldn't beat.



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Not to diminish his greatness, but could he have defeated Joe Louis or Rocky Marciano at their prime?

Don't know about Joe Louis,but Rocky knocked his ass out when they were filming that boxing video game,and Rocky was a old man long-retired at the time.

According to the producer,he hired them both to do a fake boxing match where no actual hard punches were thrown so he could record their moves to make the video game realistic,but Rocky warned Ali twice about throwing hard punches to the face,and the third time he did it,Rocky put him on his ass. Once Ali could stand again and remember his name,there were no more hard punches thrown at Rocky for the remainder of the recording.

What got Cassius Clay so pissed at America to start with is after winning the Oympics boxing Gold Medal,he came back home and bought new Harley's for him and his brother. The first time they took off riding them,some white guys beat them up and stole their Harley's.

What Clay was in the ring and out of the ring was be a VERY smart boxer and he could take an amazing amount of punishment. Make no mistake about it,he was genuinely tough. Any damn fool can throw punches,but you have to be seriously and genuinely tough to take some of the punches he took and still be able to fight back.

 IMHO,he wasn't really all that good,though. What he did was run his mouth and really,REALLY piss off his opponent to the point the opponent would lose his cool and throw his strategy out the window. Then he could wear out his opponent by letting him throw punches that mostly hit his arms,and when the guy was too tired to really defend himself,he would then step in and start hammering him. He mostly beat his opponents by out-thinking them and getting them psyched out before the fight even started. Better to fight smart than it is to fight hard.

 He never agreed to fight anyone he thought could beat him,and even then Ernie Shavers beat  him so badly in the match that Clay finally gave him when he was really too old to fight at that level that even I was feeling sorry for him. I remember thinking "DAMN! It should be illegal to hit ANYBODY that hard,even Clay!" If you have never seen that fight,try to find a video of it. I didn't even know it was possible to hit that hard. It's a little scary to even watch it. Ernie Shavers was an animal,and after watching that fight you will know why all the top boxers avoided giving him matches when he was younger. You can't get a title if no one will give you a title match.
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Back in 1973 or 74, I once saw Muhammad Ali casually walking down F Street NW...stopping to look in shop windows. 

He was followed/surrounded by at least 2 dozen...kids, really....nobody in the crowd was older than 18...that's for sure.

Always smiling...I'll never forget it.

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I hope they don't make his funeral into a show piece for the race hucksters. I suspect Jesse Jackson will be front and center.
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From Franklin Graham on his Facebook page:

The world has lost a champion. Muhammad Ali was considered by many as the greatest boxer of all time. His career began during a difficult period in our country with the racial tensions of the 1960s and the Vietnam War. His outspoken positions caused him to be both loved and hated by some. I had the privilege of meeting him on several occasions, and he visited at my parents' home in Montreat, North Carolina. Muhammad Ali’s father brought him to visit my father Billy Graham because he was concerned over Ali’s faith in Islam and was afraid that his son had been led astray. They had a great visit, and my father had prayer with him. They met together again several years ago in Louisville, Kentucky, when my father was there to preach. My prayers are with his family as they mourn this loss.

Nice statement by Franklin Graham.

I'm sure Billy made the truth clear to him, and he heard it.
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I hope they don't make his funeral into a show piece for the race hucksters. I suspect Jesse Jackson will be front and center.
Yeah,  it may be a circus.   **nononono*
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Yeah,  it may be a circus.   **nononono*

Jesse will certainly try to make it so.
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Not to diminish his greatness, but could he have defeated Joe Louis or Rocky Marciano at their prime?
Louis would have been the toughest test. Louis could really move and had a tremendous punch.
Marciano was known for being a tremendous puncher as well, but he took a lot of punishment to get his shots in.
Plus, Rocky was 5'11, only weighed about 185-190 lbs and had a  short reach. He didn't have great foot speed either. He relied on boring in, taking a lot punishment, and eventually wearing down his opponents. He had a lot of stamina and a strong jaw. He usually only needed a punch or two  to take out his opponent if he got an opening.
In his prime Ali would have been a difficult opponent for Marciano to reach. Ali was the fastest h-weight up to his time. Marciano retired undefeated, but he fought Louis when Louis was well past his prime. He almost to lost to Jersey Joe Walcott in a famous fight with Marciano knocking Walcott out in the 13th round after being down on points. If he hadn't knocked Walcott out, he would have lost. Walcott was a smart fighter, but didn't have the punch to go toe to toe with Marciano. His strategy almost worked.  But Marciano finally tired him out in the 13th round and caught him with a short right that knocked Walcott out.
Ali was faster than Walcott and would have employed the same strategy against Marciano as he did against Joe Frazier. Dance around, deliver hundreds of jabs, and stay away until Marciano got tired. The Ali who fought Frazier in 1971 was not the same Ali who had fought four or five years earlier. He had lost a lot foot speed by the time he fought Frazier for the first time.
Louis would presented a different problem. He was about Ali's size and moved much better than Marciano. Plus, he had a tremendous punch himself.  Maybe not as strong as Liston's, but very strong and he moved a lot better than Liston.
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I hope they don't make his funeral into a show piece for the race hucksters. I suspect Jesse Jackson will be front and center.

They will. I think the law now requires them to do this.

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The Latest: Jerry West says Ali had 'God-like presence'

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/5133304c6e9b42af9b01ccd7eae3334a/latest-world-reacts-news-death-greatest

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West saw Ali fight professionally several times and said: "I loved that guy. I really did.

"Being around him, you almost felt like a God-like presence," West said. "You really did. He had it. He had it."

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Louis would presented a different problem. He was about Ali's size and moved much better than Marciano. Plus, he had a tremendous punch himself.  Maybe not as strong as Liston's, but very strong and he moved a lot better than Liston.
I agree with your analysis of an Ali-Marciano fight. Ali was too big and fast for Marciano. Unlike Walcott, Ali had a strong chin and wasn't likely to be taken out with one punch.
Joe Louis had two weaknesses as a fighter. Louis' balance wasn't great which is why he suffered several knockdowns in his career but wasn't really hurt. Ali's jab and movement would have exposed that weakness to some degree. Louis' other weakness was his lack of foot speed. He had lots of hand speed but feet weren't that quick. Like Liston, Louis was a bit of a plodder. I think that Louis would have gotten frustrated by Ali consistently dancing in and landing some very quick punches and getting away before Louis could counter. 
Of the old-timers, the one that I think would have given Ali fits is Jack Johnson. Ali wasn't that much bigger than Johnson but Johnson had that herky-jerky, unorthodox style much like Ken Norton. However, Johnson had better speed and power than Norton along with an almost impenetrable defense.

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He died no big deal we all do were born to die. He was a coward who ran from serving his country he was a Muslim I could care less that he died and it makes me sick how this country makes famous people God's and when they die even though they are the scum of the earth they make them sound like saints which they never are. He certainly was no hero of mine nor should he be of any patriot.

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The Latest: Jerry West says Ali had 'God-like presence'

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/5133304c6e9b42af9b01ccd7eae3334a/latest-world-reacts-news-death-greatest

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Words fail...maybe later.

What can you say about people when someone with a reported IQ of 79 is their intellectual idol,merely because he was  a coward,and in his early days,hated white people.
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Lots can be written on him. My understanding is that if he had been a member of the armed forces, a real easy job was awaiting him because they would have used him like they used Elvis; useful for publicity purposes but I gather he chose to spend time in prison.

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Reporter freed from Iran recounts how Ali helped save him

WASHINGTON — A Washington Post reporter who spent 545 days in an Iranian prison told CNN in an exclusive interview Saturday that boxing legend Muhammad Ali helped his cause.

In March 2015, Ali, who died Friday at age 74, released a statement that said, in part, “I am sorry that I cannot be physically present to lend my support in person, but I pray my words will provide relief to the efforts to secure the release of Jason Rezaian. Insha’Allah. It is my great hope that the government and judiciary of Iran will end the prolonged detention of journalist Jason Rezaian.”

When CNN’s Jim Sciutto read Rezaian Ali’s statement, the journalist said he was “just getting chills as I read that again. It meant so much to me at the time.”

“I can’t tell you, I can’t express in words, how much it meant to me, continues to mean to me,” he added.

Ali, who converted to Islam in 1964, is revered in Iran, and Rezaian explained that when his guards heard about Ali’s plea, “They started treating me in a better way. I think it brought some doubt to them about the (espionage-related) charges against me.”

More: http://wtvr.com/2016/06/05/reporter-jason-rezaian-recounts-how-muhammad-ali-helped-save-him/

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Good riddance to treasonous and cowardly Muslim trash. Damn shame it didn't happen 50 years ago.

Wow, you are such full of class. 

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Mr. M spoke to a Vietnam War vet this morning at church. He said he was furious that Ali is being treated as some kind of great American hero. This fellow put Ali up there with Jane Fonda on the "despised by the guys who actually served" meter.
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Lots can be written on him. My understanding is that if he had been a member of the armed forces, a real easy job was awaiting him because they would have used him like they used Elvis; useful for publicity purposes but I gather he chose to spend time in prison.

The Army couldn't force him to do that against his will,and if he had refused,it would have been straight into the infantry and straight to VN for him..
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Wow, you are such full of class.

I'm surprised you have the ability to recognize that.
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I'm surprised you have the ability to recognize that.

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Mr. M spoke to a Vietnam War vet this morning at church. He said he was furious that Ali is being treated as some kind of great American hero. This fellow put Ali up there with Jane Fonda on the "despised by the guys who actually served" meter.

I suspect most of us who were there felt the same way.  I didn't despise him as much as Fonda though.  She was alone atop the despic-o-meter. 
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Muhammad Ali (the artist formerly known as Cassius Clay) was a gifted pugilist who won a gold medal for the USA in the 1960 Olympics, buckled the knees of the fearsome Sonny Liston, reclaimed his title from the dangerous Joe Frazier and rope-a-doped the less talented but brutally powerful George Foreman. He had a limited intellect, but a genuine gift for gab and an ability to connect with more than mere punches.

His refusal to be inducted into the Armed Forces was unnecessary: as a celebrity athlete during an increasingly unpopular war he certainly would have been given an assignment to build morale through exhibitions, external to any combat role, and would have been done with it inside of two years. Instead, Ali refused service because his conscience so instructed him, and thereby lost three and one-half years of the prime time of his career.  He paid a price and deserved to. But he took it just like he endured the beating that Frazier laid on him in 1971, and moved on to the next fight.

In truth, I believe he made a poor choice, and thought so even after the U.S. Supreme Court overturned his conviction, but I respected him for not bugging out to Canada or elsewhere, as others did at the time.

Muhammad could be cruel and taunted his opponents mercilessly and viciously, at times: behavior for which Joe Frazier never, ever forgave him.  And yet he also exhibited genuine kindness toward his legion of fans, taking time to chat with them, sign autographs for them, and even talked a suicidal man off a ledge in Los Angeles in 1981.

Ali's association with the risible Elijah Mohammed of the Nation of Islam was perhaps a fair index of the man's limitations, in choosing to follow the very person most directly responsible for the death of his mentor and spiritual guide, Malcolm X.   

But again, his smallness of character, further evidenced by his four marriages and his affairs in between does not fully diminish the fact that he was one of those rare people whose talent for popularity and for their chosen craft make them seem larger than life, as Muhammad Ali always was. RIP.
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Ali, was drafted when he was 24, nobody was drafted @ 24, he was a target for converting to the Black Muslim religion.


He could have had a Cush job in the military, he wasn't going to Nam if he had complied. He actually lost the best years of his career on principle.

I say that as a USAF vet 71-75

Don't understand the hatred of the guy. He handled his affliction well in his later years and treated 'ordinary' people well.
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Muhammad Ali (the artist formerly known as Cassius Clay) was a gifted pugilist who won a gold medal for the USA in the 1960 Olympics, buckled the knees of the fearsome Sonny Liston, reclaimed his title from the dangerous Joe Frazier and rope-a-doped the less talented but brutally powerful George Foreman. He had a limited intellect, but a genuine gift for gab and an ability to connect with more than mere punches.

Pretty good summary. I disliked him because of the taunting & showboating. I still despise it in sports.

But he was a helluva boxer, more specifically, he could take a helluva punch. Stayed in the public eye a bit too long.

I actually heard one of the jock-sniffing sports journalists eulogize Ali by saying 'he showed America the way forward'... on race relations, I presume? I dunno. I little bit of an overstatement I suspect.


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The fights were the only time my Dad watched TV - he even listened to baseball games on the radio.

So that became our time to sit and talk about the boxers and the fight in particular and politics sometimes.  We both loved listening to Howard Cosell and Ali jabbing at each other. 

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Donald Trump or Mohammed Ali?

1. With out passion you don't have energy, with out energy you have nothing.
2. It's always good to be underestimated.
3. It’s not bragging if you can back it up.
4. I don't like losers.
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Donald Trump or Mohammed Ali?

1. With out passion you don't have energy, with out energy you have nothing.
2. It's always good to be underestimated.
3. It’s not bragging if you can back it up.
4. I don't like losers.
5. At home I am a nice guy: but I don’t want the world to know. Humble people, I’ve found, don’t get very far.

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One of Ali's best lines was his toughest fight was his first wife

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Ali was a good marketer, he saw the schtick used by Pro Wrasslers Gorgeous George and Classy Freddie Blassie and realize the they got people to buy tickets to see them get the brains best it. Ali recognized the no one in the boxing sporting used this sort of promotion and realized he pull make more money doing that sort of entertainment especially being a black man in the 60's.
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