Okay, #NeverTrump, Enough Already

[DCPatriot]

We're waiting for no one.  We abhor the idea that any man or politician is going to save us.

Some of us recognize that this Republic is gone and that you cannot stop tyranny via civil means.

We took the red pill.

Ah, but the red pill sends you down Alice's rabbit hole.  Seems you've already left.

Here you are, rather than voting for Donald Trump...because it upsets your "principles"...are fully expecting to go Mr. Weaver on us and get your a$$ shot off.

Nice.......

[INVAR]

Ah, but the red pill sends you down Alice's rabbit hole.  Seems you've already left.

You stayed in the Matrix, believing whatever you want to believe.

Here you are, rather than voting for Donald Trump...because it upsets your "principles"...are fully expecting to go Mr. Weaver on us and get your a$$ shot off.

I fully expect you to bow down to tyranny and lick the boots of your masters because you convinced yourself it was patriotic.

[DCPatriot]

You stayed in the Matrix, believing whatever you want to believe.

I fully expect you to bow down to tyranny and lick the boots of your masters because you convinced yourself it was patriotic.

Buddy...I sure it doesn't come to that.

I'm retired..70 end of of August.   I don't give a damn myself.   But I realize we all owe it to our children and grandchildren who we've sworn to protect.

If I were a younger man, I'd be right there with you.

In the meantime, you've got nothing to lose and possibly everything to gain by voting for Trump.  You can practice at the range and in the mountains and get ready just in case.

What's the saying?   "Better a soldier on a farmer's field, than a farmer on the battlefield."

[HootOwl]

I can sympathize, to a point. I never liked Trump. I'm still suspicious of his motives. But, even keeping that in mind, I can't imagine Trump would be worse than Hillary Clinton. With Trump, there will be much more opposition to his agenda, and he's an unknown quantity. A narcissistic, obnoxious, unknown quantity.

Hillary is a known quantity. A lying, manipulative, power hungry Marxist.

I have to go with Trump.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/Smileys/default/thud.gifI love America more than I hate trump  so I gotta vote that way

[Bigun]

Buddy...I sure it doesn't come to that.

I'm retired..70 end of of August.   I don't give a damn myself.   But I realize we all owe it to our children and grandchildren who we've sworn to protect.

If I were a younger man, I'd be right there with you.

In the meantime, you've got nothing to lose and possibly everything to gain by voting for Trump.  You can practice at the range and in the mountains and get ready just in case.

What's the saying?   "Better a soldier on a farmer's field, than a farmer on the battlefield."

I'm in almost the exact same place age wise and that is EXACTLY why I will NEVER vote for Trump! 

It boils down to this. You swallow everything Donald Trump says whole and I believe not a word of what he says. Irreconcilable!

I hope I'm still around when you wake up from this fairytale you are currently living in!

[Victoria33]

That is absolute crap right there, and honestly, it's the kind of argument that really pisses me off because it is so damn disingenuous.

So it is entirely possible to insult/despise Trump without insulting/despising everyone who decides to vote for the guy.  I can't believe anyone is either 1) dumb enough, or 2) dishonest enough, to make that argument with a straight face.  And on top of that, it also means that everyone who insulted any other candidate during the primary was also insulting the voters who supported that candidate.  Hogwash.  Talk about a "safe-space" bit of whining....

Well put.  This is the first election that I recall reading I am insulting a voter if I don't agree with his/her choice.  Shades of snowflakes.  Their "feelings" are "hurt" if I prefer another candidate or no candidate for that office?  The people who think that have picked up on the campus "safe places" where one can go to be with others exactly like them.  I don't care who votes for "x".  I also don't know of any of my friends who are voting for Trump, except for one.  One family member wants Bernie and that has nothing to do with our love for that person. 

Now, Trump speaks of love all the time - they "love" me, I "love" them.  Perhaps this is why this mushy feeling of "If you don't vote for Trump, you don't love me" started.  It's an election, for goodness sake, vote for whomever you want, that's it.

[Jazzhead]

I fully understand the political lesson of the Trump ascendancy.   Republicans like myself prioritize economic growth and entitlement/regulatory reform,  and are sympathetic (in the pursuit of economic growth) to comprehensive immigration reform and freer trade.  Republicans like myself favor consumers, not workers.   Trump supporters are a breed of conservative that hasn't been in vogue lately - protectionist,  mercantilist,  nativist,  perfectly willing to sacrifice economic growth to protect existing workers and their jobs.   

I get it -  in 2016, protectionist, nationalist conservatism has won, and growth-oriented internationalist  conservatism has lost.   If that were all this were about,  I'd accept the verdict of the voters and support the nominee,  even as I disagree profoundly on the merits of a return to Smoot Hawley and Charles Lindbergh.   

This is all about Trump the man.   He's not fit to be President.   His unmoored amorality, his temperament,  his narcissism,  his willingness to cynically exploit prejudice and fear, fundamentally disqualify him to serve as President.   Simply put, Trump the man is dangerous.   So dangerous that I am compelled to vote for his opponent, while choking down tears.   

Why is a pragmatic seen-it-all conservative, one who's always preached party solidarity,  NeverTrump?     It's because I've seen Trump's type throughout history.   It's a road we cannot go down, lest we perish.   Adopt some of Trump's themes, folks, if we must,  but Trump the man must be rejected as a candidate for President.     

[sinkspur]

I fully understand the political lesson of the Trump ascendancy.   Republicans like myself prioritize economic growth and entitlement/regulatory reform,  and are sympathetic (in the pursuit of economic growth) to comprehensive immigration reform and freer trade.  Republicans like myself favor consumers, not workers.   Trump supporters are a breed of conservative that hasn't been in vogue lately - protectionist,  mercantilist,  nativist,  perfectly willing to sacrifice economic growth to protect existing workers.   

I get it -  in 2016, protectionist, nationalist conservatism has won, and growth-oriented internationalist  conservatism has lost.   If that were all this were about,  I'd accept the verdict of the voters and support the nominee,  even as I disagree profoundly on the merits of a return to Smoot Hawley and Charles Lindbergh.   

This is all about Trump the man.   He's not fit to be President.   His unmoored amorality, his temperament,  his narcissism,  his willingness to cynically exploit prejudice and fear, simply disqualify him to serve as President.   Simply put, Trump the man is dangerous.   So dangerous that I am compelled to vote for his opponent, while choking down tears.   

Why is a pragmatic seen-it-all conservative, one who's always preached party solidarity,  NeverTrump?     It's because I've seen Trump's type throughout history.   It's a road we cannot go down, lest we perish.   Adopt some of Trump's themes, folks, if we must,  but Trump the man must be rejected as a candidate for President.   

I will not vote for Hillary.  But, you're right.  This has nothing to do with Trump's policies because he's demonstrating that they're all negotiable. All of them.

But Trump the man is a demogogic, amoral man who welcomes the support of the alt-right (a movement chocked full of racists, religious bigots, and anarchists), and is being revealed as psychologically unhinged.

I could never vote for a man like this.

[montanajoe]

I will not vote for Hillary.  But, you're right.  This has nothing to do with Trump's policies because he's demonstrating that they're all negotiable. All of them.

But Trump the man is a demogogic, amoral man who welcomes the support of the alt-right (a movement chocked full of racists, religious bigots, and anarchists), and is being revealed as psychologically unhinged.

I could never vote for a man like this.

I won't vote for Hiliary in November  as long as the vote up here is not close and will vote for Conservatives down ticket. However if Montana is in play as I suspect it will be I'll hold my nose and vote for her to StopTrump

[Right_in_Virginia]

I won't vote for Hiliary in November  as long as the vote up here is not close and will vote for Conservatives down ticket. However if Montana is in play as I suspect it will be I'll hold my nose and vote for her to StopTrump

Another democrat troll found his way here.  How nice. 

[Free Vulcan]

Another democrat troll found his way here.  How nice.

You may be on the wrong forum. I can give you the link to TOS if you need it.

[sinkspur]

Another democrat troll found his way here.  How nice.

He's not a Democrat; he's a disgusted Republican and there are more of us than you realize.

"That's my daughter. She's hot isn't she? Really hot."  Lee found his remarks inappropriate; Ivanka was 16.

[montanajoe]

Another democrat troll found his way here.  How nice.

Congratulations, you are the first to call me a troll here, I'd almost forgotten FR and how in nearly every post someone was called a troll, I do appreciate the fact that you are trying to make me feel at home ......

[Right_in_Virginia]

Congratulations, you are the first to call me a troll here, I'd almost forgotten FR and how in nearly every post someone was called a troll, I do appreciate the fact that you are trying to make me feel at home ......

Convince me why someone who is telling me he will vote for Hillary Clinton should feel at home here and I'll welcome you to the family with open arms.   Thanks.

Quote from: montanajoe on Today at 11:00:58 AM
I won't vote for Hiliary in November  as long as the vote up here is not close and will vote for Conservatives down ticket. However if Montana is in play as I suspect it will be I'll hold my nose and vote for her to StopTrump

[Wingnut]

Another democrat troll found his way here.  How nice.

Lucy, 'splain to me why.... (since your boy Trump won) are his supporters so butt hurt and defensive?  Are you frightened that support of the Great Orange one has now suddenly gotten real and will have unintended consequences..... for the worse.   

[sinkspur]

Convince me why someone who is telling me he will vote for Hillary Clinton should feel at home here and I'll welcome you to the family with open arms.   Thanks.

Why don't you leave people the hell alone?

You,of all people, don't get to say who's in the family and who's not.

[montanajoe]

Why don't you leave people the hell alone?

Sink don't worry about it, some folks seem to be suffering an extreme case of preTrumpsal derangement syndrome (PTDS) need to regard them with extreme caution during the election season...

[Right_in_Virginia]

Why don't you leave people the hell alone?

When you practice what you preach, I'll consider it.

[Right_in_Virginia]

You,of all people, don't get to say who's in the family and who's not.

Why is that, Sink?

[Right_in_Virginia]

Lucy, 'splain to me why.... (since your boy Trump won) are his supporters so butt hurt and defensive?  Are you frightened that support of the Great Orange one has now suddenly gotten real and will have unintended consequences..... for the worse.

I simply want to know if this forum is now a pro-Hillary forum.

It's a reasonable question and deserves a respectful response.

[sinkspur]

Why is that, Sink?

It's a big family.  And you ain't mama.

[sinkspur]

I simply want to know if this forum is now a pro-Hillary forum.

It's a reasonable question and deserves a respectful response.

It's not a pro-Hillary forum.  It's not a pro-Trump forum.

It's a forum of conservatives.  Since you support Trump, you ought to be wondering where you fit.

[catfish1957]

Convince me why someone who is telling me he will vote for Hillary Clinton should feel at home here and I'll welcome you to the family with open arms.   Thanks.

Do you realize that the second most guarded Trump Camp secret (behind taxes) is the NYT Off the Record Interview from last year.  Trump is hell bent on making sure zero of that is leaked.  You know why? ..... my bet is that It is because he admits that much of his populist bluster is an act, and that he will return to a very central political theme.  He can not let it out that he has basically conducted the biggest duping of the electorate in American History.  So I ask you, is it worth the GOP being blamed for what will be a Hitlerly Lite administration?  This Trojan Horse will be a disaster.   #NEVEREVEREVERTRUMP

[Right_in_Virginia]

It's a big family.  And you ain't mama.

So I have a right to my opinion and the responsibility to share it.  Yes?

[sinkspur]

So I have a right to my opinion and the responsibility to share it.  Yes?

Sure. But you don't get to say who is part of TBR.  If you can be here, supporting Trump, we ought to throw open the doors to just about anybody.