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Re: Okay, #NeverTrump, Enough Already
« Reply #125 on: May 11, 2016, 11:15:11 pm »
Trump and Hillary combined are only marginally getting under 50% of the primary votes. that leaves OVER 50% to go elsewhere.
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Re: Okay, #NeverTrump, Enough Already
« Reply #126 on: May 11, 2016, 11:58:59 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on May 10, 2016, 02:37:24 pm
I think if the Trump cult could convince us they're aren't just an angry mob..maybe actually show some disapproval for some of the more outrageous things he does that definately are NOT Presidential...we'd feel a lot better.

But we can't even get the Trump cult to even tell us where he stands on Constitutional issues and critical policy issues.

When I begin to hear people - people who have for years professed themselves to be Conservatives - suddenly defend federal funding for Planned Parenthood and voice agreement for the Kelo decision simply because Donald Trump supports them, then I know that we as a nation have completely fallen out of God's grace.

Pharaoh had one chance, after which his heart was hardened.  America's chances may have run out.  The spirit of deception expands its hold over this nation.
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Re: Okay, #NeverTrump, Enough Already
« Reply #127 on: May 12, 2016, 12:54:06 am »
Quote from: Hoodat on May 11, 2016, 11:58:59 pm
When I begin to hear people - people who have for years professed themselves to be Conservatives - suddenly defend federal funding for Planned Parenthood and voice agreement for the Kelo decision simply because Donald Trump supports them, then I know that we as a nation have completely fallen out of God's grace.

Pharaoh had one chance, after which his heart was hardened.  America's chances may have run out.  The spirit of deception expands its hold over this nation.



Have a nice day!   :laugh:
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Re: Okay, #NeverTrump, Enough Already
« Reply #128 on: May 12, 2016, 06:36:03 am »
Non-sequitur.
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Re: Okay, #NeverTrump, Enough Already
« Reply #129 on: May 12, 2016, 07:18:33 am »
Quote from: Luis Gonzalez on May 11, 2016, 12:41:08 pm
And no one is asked to "donate" any money, unless of course Repub needs some new Prada sneakers.

LOL!!! Well the ones you bought me for Christmas, fell apart! They were fake!!! :tongue2:
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Re: Okay, #NeverTrump, Enough Already
« Reply #130 on: May 12, 2016, 12:27:11 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on May 12, 2016, 06:36:03 am
Non-sequitur.

Not at all, @Hoodat !   

You're fighting last Summer's battles while we've an election coming in 6 months worth "all the marbles".

Focus on Hillary and let's gitter done!   :laugh:

 
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Re: Okay, #NeverTrump, Enough Already
« Reply #131 on: May 12, 2016, 12:42:34 pm »
Quote from: DCPatriot on May 12, 2016, 12:27:11 pm
Not at all, @Hoodat !   

You're fighting last Summer's battles while we've an election coming in 6 months worth "all the marbles".

Focus on Hillary and let's gitter done!   :laugh:

 

You backed the wrong horse to defeat Hillary.
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Re: Okay, #NeverTrump, Enough Already
« Reply #132 on: May 12, 2016, 01:22:34 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on May 10, 2016, 02:37:24 pm
I think if the Trump cult could convince us they're aren't just an angry mob..maybe actually show some disapproval for some of the more outrageous things he does that definately are NOT Presidential...we'd feel a lot better.

But we can't even get the Trump cult to even tell us where he stands on Constitutional issues and critical policy issues.

Agreed.
Trump has to be specific on policy and stick to it.
Every politician in my lifetime has said they will get rid of "waste, fraud, and abuse". Cruz had specific agencies to cut. Trump needs to do something similar.
Insulting critics has lead to Trump supporters insulting those who had previously backed his critics. Trump, like all human being, is be no means perfect, and he should be scrutinized (vetted) by the voters, without fear of insults from Trump or his followers.We would ask the same of anyone.
Conventions are where the party does its cheer-leading. It is where you make the case for your candidate and try to unify the party around that candidate.
It took me until the convention to get behind both McCain and Romney. Their supporters didn't come out and demand my acquiescence 2 months before.
Give it time. We have 2 months before the convention and 6 months before the election.
Brow beating me into submission, with fears of Clinton/Obama 2.0 won't help.
Believe me, I know what is at stake here, as well as anyone else does.
This is not my first day at rodeo.
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Re: Okay, #NeverTrump, Enough Already
« Reply #133 on: May 12, 2016, 01:23:19 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on May 12, 2016, 12:42:34 pm
You backed the wrong horse to defeat Hillary.

Well, we're going to find out, aren't we?   :patriot:
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Re: Okay, #NeverTrump, Enough Already
« Reply #134 on: May 12, 2016, 01:25:01 pm »
Quote from: GrouchoTex on May 12, 2016, 01:22:34 pm
Agreed.
Trump has to be specific on policy and stick to it.
Every politician in my lifetime has said they will get rid of "waste, fraud, and abuse". Cruz had specific agencies to cut. Trump needs to do something similar.
Insulting critics has lead to Trump supporters insulting those who had previously backed his critics. Trump, like all human being, is be no means perfect, and he should be scrutinized (vetted) by the voters, without fear of insults from Trump or his followers.We would ask the same of anyone.
Conventions are where the party does its cheer-leading. It is where you make the case for your candidate and try to unify the party around that candidate.
It took me until the convention to get behind both McCain and Romney. Their supports didn't come out and demand my acquiescence 2 months before.
Give it time. We have 2 months before the convention and 6 months before the election.
Brow beating me into submission, with fears of Clinton/Obama 2.0 won't help.
Believe me, I know what is at stake here, as well as anyone else does.
This is not my first day at rodeo.

 :amen:
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Re: Okay, #NeverTrump, Enough Already
« Reply #135 on: May 12, 2016, 01:50:20 pm »
Quote from: DCPatriot on May 12, 2016, 01:23:19 pm
Well, we're going to find out, aren't we?   :patriot:

Heads they (the establishment) wins tails we lose!
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Re: Okay, #NeverTrump, Enough Already
« Reply #136 on: May 12, 2016, 01:52:35 pm »
I am #NeverTrump because Trump is #NeverConservative
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Re: Okay, #NeverTrump, Enough Already
« Reply #137 on: May 12, 2016, 02:05:21 pm »
Quote from: geronl on May 12, 2016, 01:52:35 pm
I am #NeverTrump because Trump is #NeverConservative

Let me ask, did you support Romney? Did you support McCain?
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Re: Okay, #NeverTrump, Enough Already
« Reply #138 on: May 12, 2016, 02:32:43 pm »
Quote from: DCPatriot on May 12, 2016, 01:23:19 pm
Well, we're going to find out, aren't we?   :patriot:

When you say that I feel like I'm in a weird time warp back to when Pelosi said 'we have to pass it to find out what's in it."...except this time it's more like "we have to elect him to find out what he's gonna stand for".
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Re: Okay, #NeverTrump, Enough Already
« Reply #139 on: May 12, 2016, 02:37:36 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on May 12, 2016, 02:32:43 pm
When you say that I feel like I'm in a weird time warp back to when Pelosi said 'we have to pass it to find out what's in it."...except this time it's more like "we have to elect him to find out what he's gonna stand for".

It's like that with every new President.   'cept of course, Barack Obama.   no surprises there.
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Re: Okay, #NeverTrump, Enough Already
« Reply #140 on: May 12, 2016, 02:44:50 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on May 12, 2016, 02:32:43 pm
When you say that I feel like I'm in a weird time warp back to when Pelosi said 'we have to pass it to find out what's in it."...except this time it's more like "we have to elect him to find out what he's gonna stand for".

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Exactly. I'm open minded to support Trump, because I feel some things are worth, like avoid a liberal majority USSC.

But Trump still makes me nervous, probably for this reason.

I seem to recall Ahhhnold was like this too, but of course conservatives assumed he'd serve as a conservative. Whooops.

Not sure I trust people like JR and Hannity's judgement any more.

Trump to me seems like he'd be a Nixonian disaster in the making, coupled with a fair amount of Schwarzeneggerian flip flopping and liberal appeasement.
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Re: Okay, #NeverTrump, Enough Already
« Reply #141 on: May 12, 2016, 02:53:50 pm »
Quote from: DCPatriot on May 12, 2016, 02:37:36 pm
It's like that with every new President.  'cept of course, Barack Obama.   no surprises there.

The media gave him a total pass.  Said some outrageous things...never criticized for it.  The only time he came close to being tainted with scandal was Jerimiah Wright.

Never took any real stand on anything whether it was in the Illinois Senate or the U.S. Senate...just continued to vote present.

No serious reporting or investigative journalism into his background...grades...etc...anyone that tried was verbally pounded by a viscous mob.

He and Trump have the same lack of vetting...and anyone that tries to vet Trump or bring up some of the red flags gets pounded by a viscous mob.
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Re: Okay, #NeverTrump, Enough Already
« Reply #142 on: May 12, 2016, 03:17:29 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on May 12, 2016, 02:53:50 pm
The media gave him a total pass.  Said some outrageous things...never criticized for it.  The only time he came close to being tainted with scandal was Jerimiah Wright.

Never took any real stand on anything whether it was in the Illinois Senate or the U.S. Senate...just continued to vote present.

No serious reporting or investigative journalism into his background...grades...etc...anyone that tried was verbally pounded by a viscous mob.

He and Trump have the same lack of vetting...and anyone that tries to vet Trump or bring up some of the red flags gets pounded by a viscous mob.

I'm sure Trump has weighed the risks here.   Think that love of his children and grandchildren is phony?  Think the people who work for him say nice things because they don't want to be fired?   

Or rather, is it because they recognize a man who succeeds and shows gratitude and affection for his people and make them feel part of something special?

No...I'm all for vetting him.   But I believe the argument started when it was reported when the Washington Post assigned 20 journalists to give him a rectal exam.     
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Re: Okay, #NeverTrump, Enough Already
« Reply #143 on: May 12, 2016, 03:44:49 pm »
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Right. Because the choice between a Populist Progressive Fascist and a Marxist Communist for Acting Dictator is soooooo American.
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Re: Okay, #NeverTrump, Enough Already
« Reply #144 on: May 12, 2016, 03:47:26 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on May 12, 2016, 02:32:43 pm
Pelosi said 'we have to pass it to find out what's in it."...except this time it's more like "we have to elect him to find out what he's gonna stand for".

^^^^^^^^ THIS!
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Re: Okay, #NeverTrump, Enough Already
« Reply #145 on: May 12, 2016, 03:52:34 pm »
Quote from: INVAR on May 12, 2016, 03:44:49 pm
Right. Because the choice between a Populist Progressive Fascist and a Marxist Communist for Acting Dictator is soooooo American.

Even comparing this to purchasing a lottery ticket....you'll never know until you buy one.

My hope is that he'll spend the next four to eight years erasing the horrible nightmare that was Obama.

If he accomplishes that...the nation has a chance.
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Re: Okay, #NeverTrump, Enough Already
« Reply #146 on: May 12, 2016, 04:13:50 pm »
Quote from: DCPatriot on May 12, 2016, 03:52:34 pm
Even comparing this to purchasing a lottery ticket....you'll never know until you buy one.

My hope is that he'll spend the next four to eight years erasing the horrible nightmare that was Obama.

If he accomplishes that...the nation has a chance.

Hope for change????  This 'aint a lottery.  This is our liberty we're talking about.  I'm not risking Freedom like a roulette wheel.  I will fight that notion with every fiber of my being.

DC, with all due respect - we do not elect monarchs or dictators.

Trump has no authority to 'erase' what the Ruling Class and their dependent serfs have already done.  Not unless you expect him to act as a dictator - which many, many supporters have stated they are perfectly fine with. 

In addition, Trump has been walking back or waffling on his entire platform including the "wall", depending whom he is talking to.
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Re: Okay, #NeverTrump, Enough Already
« Reply #147 on: May 12, 2016, 04:18:56 pm »
Quote from: INVAR on May 12, 2016, 04:13:50 pm
Hope for change????  This 'aint a lottery.  This is our liberty we're talking about.  I'm not risking Freedom like a roulette wheel.  I will fight that notion with every fiber of my being.

DC, with all due respect - we do not elect monarchs or dictators.

Trump has no authority to 'erase' what the Ruling Class and their dependent serfs have already done.  Not unless you expect him to act as a dictator - which many, many supporters have stated they are perfectly fine with. 

In addition, Trump has been walking back or waffling on his entire platform including the "wall", depending whom he is talking to.

I have to disagree.

What has been done these past 8 years CAN be undone.   MUST be undone.

And not only in the law enforcement, etc., but in the Peoples' hearts and minds.

Enough of this division.

Trump has the chance to put himself on Mt Rushmore.

All the things you've cited as personal fears/concerns here will be guar-freaking-teed with a Hillary presidency.
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Re: Okay, #NeverTrump, Enough Already
« Reply #148 on: May 12, 2016, 04:20:44 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on May 12, 2016, 02:32:43 pm
"... Pelosi said 'we have to pass it to find out what's in it."...except this time it's more like "we have to elect him to find out what he's gonna stand for".

Yeah... what he said!
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Re: Okay, #NeverTrump, Enough Already
« Reply #149 on: May 12, 2016, 04:22:13 pm »
Quote from: DCPatriot on May 12, 2016, 04:18:56 pm
I have to disagree.

Trump has the chance to put himself on Mt Rushmore.


There isn't enough stone on that mountain to get the hair right.
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