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« Reply #1250 on: July 27, 2017, 11:56:04 am »

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I agree it should have been.. There is no guarantee that the AI would catch all of the problems.When it comes to space travel always have a Plan B.  As for what the male character did to the female character, to me that was murder and I saw there was some complaints about it and know what I agree with them.

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You,and they,are wrong. IF he hadn't awakened the woman and the ships officer to help him,he would not have been able to save the ship,and they ALL would have died. NO one person will ever be able to have the physical ability or the knowledge to make essential in-flight repairs on a ship that size,or to even do all the maintenance required. He,IN FACT,saved her life,as well as the lives of everyone else.

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It was.. I think for an ideal interstellar travel mission, the should be like the Avalon in Passengers, and have a rotating crew like Pandorum. Also, have a backup in case to prevent the people from being awake early if the captain or whoever is in command goes bonkers.

On an actual colonization mission,yes,but in this case it would have destroyed the key points the movie was filmed around. Namely the moral dilemma that would be faced by anyone forced to live completely without any human contact whatsoever,and in the case of one that has the ability to wake someone in hibernation to fix that problem. Then they have the emotional and physical problems those two would have creating a life based around just the two of them.
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« Reply #1251 on: July 29, 2017, 05:26:40 am »
I found a really good read the other day in the library. Read it in one sitting after a few pages couldn't put it down.

"We are Legion,  we are Bob". By Dennis Taylor

There are two more books in the series. It's newish I know but it's a good read. Funny-ish too.
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« Reply #1252 on: July 29, 2017, 07:44:37 am »
I found a really good read the other day in the library. Read it in one sitting after a few pages couldn't put it down.

"We are Legion,  we are Bob". By Dennis Taylor

There are two more books in the series. It's newish I know but it's a good read. Funny-ish too.

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Remember "A wrinkle in time"?

I remember it from my youth and that it seemed to have a strong anti totalitarian theme.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZ3bYBPlR2g

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« Reply #1253 on: July 29, 2017, 09:24:15 am »
@Freya

Remember "A wrinkle in time"?

I remember it from my youth and that it seemed to have a strong anti totalitarian theme.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZ3bYBPlR2g

That was my favorite book I read in 5th grade. I did not know they made it into a movie. I'll pass - I generally don't like movies made from beloved (fiction) books.

Oh they got Oprah in it. I'll definitely not see it. The girl who plays Meg looks nice but, no... not Oprah... no...
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« Reply #1254 on: July 29, 2017, 09:27:21 am »
That was my favorite book I read in 5th grade. I did not know they made it into a movie. I'll pass - I generally don't like movies made from beloved (fiction) books.

Its been a looong time since I read it but I recall the ominous "IT" that controlled all things from a great black cube of a building.

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« Reply #1255 on: July 29, 2017, 09:29:32 am »
Its been a looong time since I read it but I recall the ominous "IT" that controlled all things from a great black cube of a building.

Yep. That's Oprah.  :silly:
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« Reply #1256 on: July 29, 2017, 09:33:15 am »
Yep. That's Oprah.  :silly:

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« Reply #1257 on: July 29, 2017, 09:37:46 am »
Oh no. I was trying to make a joke.

The only one I could think of frankly was the monolith from 2001.

And that's not a cube, is it. Your answer is better. If you stripped the gold off, yes, yours is better.

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« Reply #1258 on: July 29, 2017, 04:07:01 pm »
@Freya

Remember "A wrinkle in time"?

I remember it from my youth and that it seemed to have a strong anti totalitarian theme.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZ3bYBPlR2g
My recollection was the theme was so anti totalitarian that it ran towards the other extreme, I still enjoyed it and passed it to my nephews and nieces.
Actually the extreme view was expressed more in the sequels as I think about it
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« Reply #1260 on: July 31, 2017, 11:42:41 am »
I found a really good read the other day in the library. Read it in one sitting after a few pages couldn't put it down.

"We are Legion,  we are Bob". By Dennis Taylor

There are two more books in the series. It's newish I know but it's a good read. Funny-ish too.

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I recently listened to the first "Bobiverse" book on Audible, and I enjoyed it, too.  I haven't continued with the series (yet), though.  Have you?  Let me know what you think if you did or eventually do!

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« Reply #1261 on: July 31, 2017, 12:00:59 pm »
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I recently listened to the first "Bobiverse" book on Audible, and I enjoyed it, too.  I haven't continued with the series (yet), though.  Have you?  Let me know what you think if you did or eventually do!

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« Reply #1262 on: July 31, 2017, 12:14:27 pm »
I ❤️ Audible!

Me, too!  It makes time spent working out go by really quickly!
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« Reply #1263 on: July 31, 2017, 12:29:57 pm »
Spouse and I watched the Star Wars movie "Rogue One" on Netflix Saturday night. It was ok.  :shrug:

Not SF-related, but we "Hacksaw Ridge" on HBO on Demand Sunday night. Now that was a really good movie!
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« Reply #1264 on: August 01, 2017, 06:05:33 pm »
I just posted the following on another thread and thought fans here might like to take a look.  Not great literature, but fun and anti-totalitarian:



A good science fiction story, Tangle Hold, by F.L. Wallace, had the police using "non-lethal" guns that fired a polymer net that constricted with struggling. 



I don't think I'm spoiling too much to say that when not being observed, the police would fire into the mouth and involuntary peristaltic action tightened the threads... so much for "non-lethal".

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« Reply #1265 on: August 01, 2017, 08:42:33 pm »
Spouse and I watched the Star Wars movie "Rogue One" on Netflix Saturday night. It was ok.  :shrug:

Not SF-related, but we "Hacksaw Ridge" on HBO on Demand Sunday night. Now that was a really good movie!

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I haven't watched any of the Star Wars movies since the firs two,but I did watch Hacksaw Ridge for free last night on HBO,and it is one of the most impressive movies ever. I remember hearing and reading about this guy back when I was in the army in the 60's,but nothing really brings out the stunning determination and courage he had like seeing it and hearing it. True,it was just a movie,but anybody that has ever been involved in ground combat can tell you it was very realistic.

To think that guy single-handily crawled around that bluff all night and rescued 75 soldiers that had been wounded and left for dead is nothing short of stunning. I recommend this movie to anyone who wonders what the words "character" and "courage" really mean.
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« Reply #1266 on: August 01, 2017, 10:21:18 pm »
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I haven't watched any of the Star Wars movies since the firs two,but I did watch Hacksaw Ridge for free last night on HBO,and it is one of the most impressive movies ever. I remember hearing and reading about this guy back when I was in the army in the 60's,but nothing really brings out the stunning determination and courage he had like seeing it and hearing it. True,it was just a movie,but anybody that has ever been involved in ground combat can tell you it was very realistic.

To think that guy single-handily crawled around that bluff all night and rescued 75 soldiers that had been wounded and left for dead is nothing short of stunning. I recommend this movie to anyone who wonders what the words "character" and "courage" really mean.

Yes, the movie portrayed it quite well, imho. It was awe-inspiring.
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« Reply #1267 on: August 01, 2017, 10:21:19 pm »
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I haven't watched any of the Star Wars movies since the firs two,but I did watch Hacksaw Ridge for free last night on HBO,and it is one of the most impressive movies ever. I remember hearing and reading about this guy back when I was in the army in the 60's,but nothing really brings out the stunning determination and courage he had like seeing it and hearing it. True,it was just a movie,but anybody that has ever been involved in ground combat can tell you it was very realistic.

To think that guy single-handily crawled around that bluff all night and rescued 75 soldiers that had been wounded and left for dead is nothing short of stunning. I recommend this movie to anyone who wonders what the words "character" and "courage" really mean.

I liked how Mel Gibson included an interview with the real guy (who died last year I believe) in which he became a real person for us, not just a caricature (larger than life, therefore less than a real person). I also liked how Gibson managed to convey (at least to me) how the principle made his choice about not killing people. It was clear that he did not consider killing the enemy to be wrong, so much as wrong FOR HIM. He felt that God had spoken clearly TO HIM about his personal path, which for me sums up the true essence of Christianity - that each of us may establish a personal relationship with almighty God and walk the path that He makes clear to us as our lives unfold.

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« Reply #1268 on: August 02, 2017, 08:31:21 am »
I liked how Mel Gibson included an interview with the real guy (who died last year I believe) in which he became a real person for us, not just a caricature (larger than life, therefore less than a real person). I also liked how Gibson managed to convey (at least to me) how the principle made his choice about not killing people. It was clear that he did not consider killing the enemy to be wrong, so much as wrong FOR HIM. He felt that God had spoken clearly TO HIM about his personal path, which for me sums up the true essence of Christianity - that each of us may establish a personal relationship with almighty God and walk the path that He makes clear to us as our lives unfold.

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« Reply #1269 on: August 04, 2017, 03:53:58 pm »
'The Dark Tower' is getting poor reviews, here's 7 great Stephen King movies

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... The Dark Tower is taking a serious drubbing, and many diehard King fans are similarly displeased with how the movie turned out. But let’s be honest, this isn’t exactly the first film adaptation of a Stephen King book to lay an egg. Children of the Corn, anyone? Maximum Overdrive? The Lawnmower Man?

Fortunately, King’s cinematic oeuvre is chockablock with movies that are actually good. If you were let down by The Dark Tower – or you plan to give it a miss entirely – here are seven great Stephen King movies that you can stream or digitally rent from the comfort of your own haunted house...
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  • Carrie (1976)
  • Misery (1990)
  • Stand by Me (1986)
  • The Shawshank Redemption (1994)
  • The Dead Zone (1983)
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« Reply #1270 on: August 04, 2017, 10:58:55 pm »
Well I saw the Arrival with Amy Adams.. It was boring as hell..
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« Reply #1271 on: August 05, 2017, 12:40:11 am »
Well I saw the Arrival with Amy Adams.. It was boring as hell..

Yes, I know people who saw it who said the same thing. Based on that I steered clear of paying to see it. Although I may check it out of the library if I'm bored and watch it for free some day just out of curiosity. This appears to be one of those movies that people either loved or hated, but not much in the middle.

I noted some controversy at one point on Rotten Tomatoes chat rooms. There was some discussion that the high RT "fresh" rating it received (94%) might have been paid for by corrupt studio agents, not rendered from actual reviews from objective opinions. On that I have no comment except to say if the studios thought they could get away with something like that, would they do it? Yep. Absolutely no question. We are talking about a lot of cabbage on the line so yeah, the motivation is there for sure.

All major film studio senior executives must have an operation performed to surgically remove their conscience before they are given their jobs. If there was enough money at stake, any one of them would (as the saying goes) gladly cut their mother's throats, whistling. 
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« Reply #1272 on: August 05, 2017, 04:07:55 am »
Odd, I enjoyed it, very much.  :shrug: Like thoughtful movies from time to time.
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« Reply #1273 on: August 05, 2017, 11:34:42 am »
Odd, I enjoyed it, very much.  :shrug: Like thoughtful movies from time to time.


As do I.. But this wasn't one of them..
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« Reply #1274 on: August 05, 2017, 11:36:59 am »
Well I guess CBS Salavation is going to canceled..  Nice concept...
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« Reply #1275 on: August 05, 2017, 11:46:34 am »
'The Dark Tower' is getting poor reviews, here's 7 great Stephen King movies

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  • It (1990)
  • The Shining (1980)

This doesn't really surprise me.  There are some novels that just don't lend themselves to being good movies.  I think our imaginations use the words to create an image that could never be recreated with much success on the big screen.  I'm curious to see how "It" does in the theater.  I think that comes out in September.  I didn't care for the first one, which I thought was boring, compared to actually reading the novel which scared the hell out of me.

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« Reply #1276 on: August 05, 2017, 01:11:54 pm »
This doesn't really surprise me.  There are some novels that just don't lend themselves to being good movies.  I think our imaginations use the words to create an image that could never be recreated with much success on the big screen.  I'm curious to see how "It" does in the theater.  I think that comes out in September.  I didn't care for the first one, which I thought was boring, compared to actually reading the novel which scared the hell out of me.

Wow. You are reading my mind. Excellent post, Chatelaine!

Reviewers panned the Dark Tower for years. My own belief is that this was one of the last "alcohol-fueled" works by King. He has admitted that he often drank heavily while he was writing. That obviously explains the grotesque UNEVENESS of many King books. I virtually ALWAYS had to skip over vast passages (often whole chapters) of King's meandering, unfocused, downright poor writing in several of his novels. Only his earlier ones (The Stand, the Shining etc.) seem to have been spared his proclivity to repeatedly digress into plodding, wandering, pointless delineations.

Dark Tower though brilliant in places, was overall horribly disappointing to me. The ending (a favorite target of critics) was so lame that it was almost comical.

When one adds the H-Wood habit of  "dumbing-down" material, I frankly cannot see how a film that attempted to condense (eight books = 4,250 pages) about 200 HOURS of reading time into 120 minutes could be anything but an almost complete waste of time (creatively speaking). 

It is a clue at how unsuitable the material was that no production company was willing to serialize the content into several movies, so instead it got distilled it into a single film. Doing one film instead of a series is always the safer approach to producing material that one isn't sure will pan out creatively.
 
King sold out any sort of creative integrity or loyalty to seeing his own work treated with  dignity or respect by T.V. or film makers YEARS ago.

I frankly think that he is probably a fairly pedestrian, boring person in real life. He is after all, a committed, radical leftist in his politics, which suggests that (his arguable talent as a writer notwithstanding), he is neither very moral nor very bright.

I'll tell you some books that might well be worth making into films or serial cable shows, Ann Rice's, "Christ the Lord" series (magnificent), her savage, horrifying "Servant of the Bones" or Gene Wolfe's astonishingly well-articulated "Urth of the New Sun" series. But they are lengthy, very character-driven and not very politically correct so it would have to be an independant studio with the vision and fortitude to do some very hard work ( and invest some serious cash) to make them creative successes.
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« Reply #1277 on: August 05, 2017, 01:31:31 pm »

I'll tell you some books that might well be worth making into films or serial cable shows, Ann Rice's, "Christ the Lord" series (magnificent), her savage, horrifying "Servant of the Bones" or Gene Wofe's astonishingly well-articulated "Urth of the New Sun" series. But they are lengthy, very character-driven and not very politically correct so it would have to be an independant studio that banked the productions.

I haven't read any of those, I will have to check them out.  Though I will say, regarding Ann Rice, I tried the Vampire series, whichever one they made into the movie with Cruise and Pitt that for some reason I cannot remember the name of right now, and I couldn't get past the first chapter.

Tell me, have you read Rose Madder and what did you think of it?  I have pretty much stopped reading King.  I think I read everything of his up through Needful Things, except I have read all of The Dark Tower books, and then just stopped.  Except for Rose Madder which for some reason I find myself wanting to re-read every few years and I never want to re-read books.  But, I find my taste has changed more towards epic fantasy the last 10 years or so.

By the way, I've been so underwhelmed with the thought of The Dark Tower movie that I didn't know it was all condensed into one movie!  Wow.
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« Reply #1278 on: August 05, 2017, 01:41:05 pm »
Using the standard critic four star rating:
  • Carrie (1976) - *** Didn't like it the first time I saw it but it grew on me. Liked the book.
  • Misery (1990) - Never saw it or read the book.
  • Stand by Me (1986) - *** Liked it. Also liked the novella The Body upon which it was based.
  • The Shawshank Redemption (1994) - Never saw it. Liked the novella Rita Hayworth and Shawshank Redemption upon which it was based.
  • The Dead Zone (1983) - ***1/2 Liked it a lot. Liked it better than the book.
  • It (1990) - **1/2 Ho hum. Never read the book.
  • The Shining (1980) - *** Didn't like it the first time I saw it but it grew on me. Liked the book.
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« Reply #1279 on: August 05, 2017, 01:42:27 pm »
Tell me, have you read Rose Madder and what did you think of it?  I have pretty much stopped reading King.  I think I read everything of his up through Needful Things, except I have read all of The Dark Tower books, and then just stopped.  Except for Rose Madder which for some reason I find myself wanting to re-read every few years and I never want to re-read books.  But, I find my taste has changed more towards epic fantasy the last 10 years or so.

Try Duma Key. It's one of his I keep reading over and over - about the only one in recent years. Got his last two in hardback (all my King's are hardbacks, it makes an easy present pick for the missus) and haven't even cracked them open. Just lost interest, I guess.  :shrug:
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« Reply #1280 on: August 05, 2017, 01:54:51 pm »
Just lost interest, I guess. 

That's, IMO, an ample review of just about every one of King's books.  He's great at coming up with characters and environments and sets a great stage, but then it's like he just loses interest and writes a couple hundred pages until he can cash a paycheck.  It'd be great if he just worked as an idea man who handed off his concepts to real writers.
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« Reply #1281 on: August 05, 2017, 03:32:53 pm »
Well I guess CBS Salavation is going to canceled..  Nice concept...

I managed to screw up and miss the first episode,so I have put off recording the ones I did get,hoping to find and watch the first episode first.

IF it is any good,maybe it will get picked up by one of the independent channels?
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« Reply #1282 on: August 05, 2017, 05:02:24 pm »
I managed to screw up and miss the first episode,so I have put off recording the ones I did get,hoping to find and watch the first episode first.

IF it is any good,maybe it will get picked up by one of the independent channels?


or maybe either on Amazon, Netflix or Hulu.


I doubt it will.. It has every cliche...
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« Reply #1283 on: August 05, 2017, 05:38:10 pm »
I managed to screw up and miss the first episode,so I have put off recording the ones I did get,hoping to find and watch the first episode first.

IF it is any good,maybe it will get picked up by one of the independent channels?

I also "missed" the first episode, but watched it on the CBS website.  Don't bother.
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« Reply #1284 on: August 05, 2017, 05:47:39 pm »
I also "missed" the first episode, but watched it on the CBS website.  Don't bother.

@InHeavenThereIsNoBeer and @sneakypete , agreed, by the third episode I was cheering for the asteroid to hit and wipe out the cast. We've stopped recording and watching it.
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« Reply #1285 on: August 05, 2017, 05:52:08 pm »
@InHeavenThereIsNoBeer and @sneakypete , agreed, by the third episode I was cheering for the asteroid to hit and wipe out the cast. We've stopped recording and watching it.



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« Reply #1286 on: August 05, 2017, 06:46:06 pm »


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I'm rooting for the asteroid as well.  They way things are going they deserved to be wiped out.  I'm going to watch it till the end. The only good thing about it is the EM Drive.

Thanks,guys. I have to admit I am sorry to hear that. Nothing is better than good sci-fi,but it's so rare it's hard to remember there ever was such a thing.
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« Reply #1287 on: August 05, 2017, 06:57:52 pm »
Thanks,guys. I have to admit I am sorry to hear that. Nothing is better than good sci-fi,but it's so rare it's hard to remember there ever was such a thing.


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« Reply #1291 on: August 05, 2017, 08:43:27 pm »
Using the standard critic four star rating:
  • Carrie (1976) - *** Didn't like it the first time I saw it but it grew on me. Liked the book.
  • Misery (1990) - Never saw it or read the book.
  • Stand by Me (1986) - *** Liked it. Also liked the novella The Body upon which it was based.
  • The Shawshank Redemption (1994) - Never saw it. Liked the novella Rita Hayworth and Shawshank Redemption upon which it was based.
  • The Dead Zone (1983) - ***1/2 Liked it a lot. Liked it better than the book.
  • It (1990) - **1/2 Ho hum. Never read the book.
  • The Shining (1980) - *** Didn't like it the first time I saw it but it grew on me. Liked the book.

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« Reply #1292 on: August 05, 2017, 09:20:11 pm »
I haven't read any of those, I will have to check them out.  Though I will say, regarding Ann Rice, I tried the Vampire series, whichever one they made into the movie with Cruise and Pitt that for some reason I cannot remember the name of right now, and I couldn't get past the first chapter.

Tell me, have you read Rose Madder and what did you think of it?  I have pretty much stopped reading King.  I think I read everything of his up through Needful Things, except I have read all of The Dark Tower books, and then just stopped.  Except for Rose Madder which for some reason I find myself wanting to re-read every few years and I never want to re-read books.  But, I find my taste has changed more towards epic fantasy the last 10 years or so.

By the way, I've been so underwhelmed with the thought of The Dark Tower movie that I didn't know it was all condensed into one movie!  Wow.

Note on Ann Rice. She became a devout Christian after her husband died suddenly. She says that she considers the vampire novels to be "disturbed" and a product of her naivete and spiritual bankruptcy.  She will never write another vampire novel. After her husband died, she eventually decided to write about the Middle East and moved there to get the feel for the culture and ancient history. She ended up staying for many years and says that it affected her in a profound way to see the holy sites. She had a sort of revelation which culminated in her returning to her Christian faith, which she had abandoned many long years before in her youth. Out of the research she did in the M.E. came a series of books dramatizing the years of Christ's life before it was documented in the Gospels. I have read all of the Christ the Lord series and I was floored by how great they were. Her seriousness aboutr her faith really comes through in those books. They are beautiful IMO. Any serious-minded Christian will likely find those books to be very inspiring.

The author Gene Wolfe is now considered a Grand Master writer. His first hugely popular work (all Hugo/Nebula winners) is the Severian Series (Severian the Torturer is the central character) aka (the Urth of) the New Sun collection. Five novels each are stand alone, so one may read any of them before the other and enjoy them. I started with the second but recommend for maximum enjoyment starting from #1. In order, they are (1) The Shadow of the Torturer, (2) The Sword of the Lictor, (3) The Claw of the Concilliator, (4)The Citidel of the Autarch and finally (5) The Urth of the New Sun.  The names of the books are sort of cheesy (I smell the blood of a publishing company marketing director) but the books themselves are serious writing on par with Tolkien, IMO. If you like Tolkien, Melville with a little Milton thrown in you might like Wolfe.

Wolfe likely has an eidetic memory, which enables him to create an entirely consistent universe in which stories takes place, much the way Tolkien created Middle Earth.

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« Reply #1293 on: August 05, 2017, 09:38:43 pm »
Using the standard critic four star rating:
  • Carrie (1976) - *** Didn't like it the first time I saw it but it grew on me. Liked the book.
  • Misery (1990) - Never saw it or read the book.
  • Stand by Me (1986) - *** Liked it. Also liked the novella The Body upon which it was based.
  • The Shawshank Redemption (1994) - Never saw it. Liked the novella Rita Hayworth and Shawshank Redemption upon which it was based.
  • The Dead Zone (1983) - ***1/2 Liked it a lot. Liked it better than the book.
  • It (1990) - **1/2 Ho hum. Never read the book.
  • The Shining (1980) - *** Didn't like it the first time I saw it but it grew on me. Liked the book.

By all means read IT. The movie does not do it justice by a long shot. That is a King Hell book, rich with sub-plots activity that is frankly some of the best literature I have ever read of any genre. King NAILED that book. The Stand was my favorite King book until I read "IT". 'Read The Shining after seeing the movie and that is also a class "A" product. The Shining movie of course has the distinct advantage of being one of Jack Nicholson's best movies of all time in addition to having one of the greatest directors of all time, so the book has some fairly stiff competition as an artistic achievement - yet I still think the book The Shining is slightly better than the movie(s) because of the character development. Jack Torrence is a much more sympathetic character in the book than the movie. The horror of what happens to Jack Torrence in terms of a good man losing his mind to alcohol and brutally overpowering Satanic forces, changing him into a monster, is not seen much in the movie(s).

King wrote a sequel to The Shining after many long years called Dr. Sleep. I started reading it but my interest faded. Kings makes the central character (Danny) a grown up involved in AA a sub-plot. See, he put his own life into the story line which is risky for a writer. It wasn't bad but trying to top the Shining  (even for King) is an impossible task.  It would be sort of like Tolkien trying to top Lord of the Rings, or Melville doing a better story than Moby Dick.
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« Reply #1294 on: August 05, 2017, 10:15:00 pm »
When I read King's "Misery" I knew then that they could never really do it justice as a film because so much was going on in the minds of the characters. In the end it was a pretty good movie due to the acting of Bates and Caan despite wandering pretty far afield from the book.

Unfortunately The Dark Tower is doomed. Its just too complex to throw into one movie. Idris Elba is a fine actor but Roland was clearly written as a tall pale half starved white man. Detta Walker often calls him Tall Pale and ugly in The drawing of the 3 and after. Personally I was thinking more along the lines of a Vigo Mortinson or even Gary Oldman. Matthew McConaughey has no business in the movie at all.

The Wizard and Glass book was almost all flashback to Roland's teen years when he had effectively exiled by Roland as he told the story they were walking through the world of The Stand.


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« Reply #1295 on: August 05, 2017, 11:06:55 pm »
This doesn't really surprise me.  There are some novels that just don't lend themselves to being good movies.  I think our imaginations use the words to create an image that could never be recreated with much success on the big screen.  I'm curious to see how "It" does in the theater.  I think that comes out in September.  I didn't care for the first one, which I thought was boring, compared to actually reading the novel which scared the hell out of me.

The Shining--the book--gave me the willies. Shawshank is one of my favorite movies. I have a bunch of his books, but I don't think I've ever reread one.

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Out of the research she did in the M.E. came a series of books dramatizing the years of Christ's life before it was documented in the Gospels. I have read all of the Christ the Lord series and I was floored by how great they were. Her seriousness aboutr her faith really comes through in those books. They are beautiful IMO. Any serious-minded Christian will likely find those books to be very inspiring.

Why don't you find a place to start a "Christian Movie and Book Review" Thread,and post it there? Once posted,ping myst and ask her to make it a sub-folder so it doesn't get lost in the clutter,and other people can find it and post their own reviews there?


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