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« Reply #300 on: August 09, 2016, 07:41:16 pm »

The civil wars were devastating, add in the epidemic, and the likes of Boko Haram,  and the region is having a hell of a go.

A few years ago the government budget of Liberia was $61 Million, with an M! That's just insane. Plus add in the amazing amounts of corruption (just check today's headlines for instance) and it's just waiting for the next disaster.

http://www.frontpageafricaonline.com/index.php/politics/878-indictment-ready-tyler-sherman-face-arrest-over-global-witness-bribery-report
Ruling Party head arrested over bribery report
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« Reply #301 on: August 09, 2016, 07:52:57 pm »
A few years ago the government budget of Liberia was $61 Million, with an M! That's just insane. Plus add in the amazing amounts of corruption (just check today's headlines for instance) and it's just waiting for the next disaster.

http://www.frontpageafricaonline.com/index.php/politics/878-indictment-ready-tyler-sherman-face-arrest-over-global-witness-bribery-report
Ruling Party head arrested over bribery report
They save a lot on snow removal and road salt.
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« Reply #302 on: August 09, 2016, 08:02:54 pm »
The flags at the capitol were shredded and donations to replace them had to be received!!

http://www.frontpageafricaonline.com/index.php/news/1656-disgrace-to-capitol-building-lawmakers-receive-donation-to-replace-torn-flags


Their Olympic team needed to take out a loan to get to Rio!


The President and members of their Congress have been trying to oust their House speaker for a while now.

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« Reply #303 on: August 09, 2016, 08:13:39 pm »
The flags at the capitol were shredded and donations to replace them had to be received!!

http://www.frontpageafricaonline.com/index.php/news/1656-disgrace-to-capitol-building-lawmakers-receive-donation-to-replace-torn-flags


Their Olympic team needed to take out a loan to get to Rio!


The President and members of their Congress have been trying to oust their House speaker for a while now.
Proof, in one sense, they are different from much of Africa: The speaker didn't just have a 'terrible accident' like that Archbishop in Uganda did a few years back...

Considering Liberia was started by freed American slaves and others who wanted to go back to Africa, I wish them nothing but success in their efforts to strengthen their Republic in all ways contributing to the freedom and prosperity of their people.
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« Reply #304 on: August 09, 2016, 08:25:01 pm »
Proof, in one sense, they are different from much of Africa: The speaker didn't just have a 'terrible accident' like that Archbishop in Uganda did a few years back...

Considering Liberia was started by freed American slaves and others who wanted to go back to Africa, I wish them nothing but success in their efforts to strengthen their Republic in all ways contributing to the freedom and prosperity of their people.

The good news is that the people of Liberia are still skittish about armed violence after what they went through. Remember that cannibalism had even become a part of that war. I think most of the country has PTSD, I wouldn't bet against it! I'm not joking, they have something like 1 psychiatrist in the whole country too.

The country has not recovered much it seems, watching videos from Liberia and reading about it tells me it'll take a long time to fix the infrastructure. Their hydroelectric power plant is still a year or two from being finished, that will definitely improve things but most of the country outside of Monrovia isn't even hooked up.

It is one of the countries that I really hope sees better days. If we ever get in a tiff with China maybe Liberia is one of the places we can park some of those factories. Right now their average income is less than $500 a year, it's insane.

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« Reply #305 on: August 09, 2016, 11:28:15 pm »
The good news is that the people of Liberia are still skittish about armed violence after what they went through. Remember that cannibalism had even become a part of that war. I think most of the country has PTSD, I wouldn't bet against it! I'm not joking, they have something like 1 psychiatrist in the whole country too.

The country has not recovered much it seems, watching videos from Liberia and reading about it tells me it'll take a long time to fix the infrastructure. Their hydroelectric power plant is still a year or two from being finished, that will definitely improve things but most of the country outside of Monrovia isn't even hooked up.

It is one of the countries that I really hope sees better days. If we ever get in a tiff with China maybe Liberia is one of the places we can park some of those factories. Right now their average income is less than $500 a year, it's insane.
Someone had posted an image of one of the towns in West Africa. They posted back in disbelief when I said that was a picture of prosperity (which, in the context of West Africa, it was). There were power/phone lines, automobiles and motorcycles, even a paved street. For there, that is prosperity. For here, it would appear to be poverty. Funny how context makes such a difference. We are spoiled, here. I, for one, would like to keep it that way, and at the same time I want the less well off nations which are trying to do the right thing to succeed, to prosper, to be free. (No, I'm not running for 'Miss anything', I just figure that with nations, like people, the more who have their stuff together, the better place this Earth is.)

As for PTSD, can you imagine the effects of warfare in our streets on the mollycoddled generations who have not seen armed conflict here? It would be no different. Many would not survive, even as noncombatants.
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« Reply #306 on: August 09, 2016, 11:45:06 pm »
We are spoiled, here. I, for one, would like to keep it that way, and at the same time I want the less well off nations which are trying to do the right thing to succeed, to prosper, to be free.

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As for PTSD, can you imagine the effects of warfare in our streets on the mollycoddled generations who have not seen armed conflict here? It would be no different. Many would not survive, even as noncombatants.

Best to avoid it! I know and am related to people on dialysis, that'd be one of the first fragile segments to go. Diabetics would be gone rather quickly too if it happened here.

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« Reply #307 on: August 10, 2016, 12:08:31 am »
I agree!

Best to avoid it! I know and am related to people on dialysis, that'd be one of the first fragile segments to go. Diabetics would be gone rather quickly too if it happened here.
Yes, there are many who would suffer or die because of the absence of first world health care and dwindling pharmaceutical supplies. My SIL died recently from complications of diabetes, and was on dialysis. If we are headed toward really hard times, that is a blessing, I suppose. Anyone who absolutely needs pharma and has not found either an alternate supply or a way to control or alleviate their condition using readily available herbs or other means would be in for a bad time.

Those who bandy about CWII don't seem to get that. Sometimes it's like watching the early part of gone With the Wind, where everyone figures they'll be home in no time. So much taken for granted now would be absent overnight, or hideously expensive on the Black Market, if it could be obtained at all. Even Antibiotics and pain meds would be held back for the wounded, things we are used to getting almost on demand.
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« Reply #308 on: August 15, 2016, 05:42:11 pm »
Yes, there are many who would suffer or die because of the absence of first world health care and dwindling pharmaceutical supplies. My SIL died recently from complications of diabetes, and was on dialysis. If we are headed toward really hard times, that is a blessing, I suppose. Anyone who absolutely needs pharma and has not found either an alternate supply or a way to control or alleviate their condition using readily available herbs or other means would be in for a bad time.

Those who bandy about CWII don't seem to get that. Sometimes it's like watching the early part of gone With the Wind, where everyone figures they'll be home in no time. So much taken for granted now would be absent overnight, or hideously expensive on the Black Market, if it could be obtained at all. Even Antibiotics and pain meds would be held back for the wounded, things we are used to getting almost on demand.

Yes, a lot of stories, shows, and movies gloss over or fail to examine a lot of implications of the loss of modern-day healthcare, or use it as a convenient plot point at best.  Two books that got it right (imho) are Alas, Babylon by Pat Frank and Lucifer's Hammer by Niven and Pournelle.

I used to be quite a fan of TEOTWAWKI fiction, but nowadays I tend to favor more hopeful escapism.
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« Reply #309 on: August 15, 2016, 06:51:05 pm »
Yes, a lot of stories, shows, and movies gloss over or fail to examine a lot of implications of the loss of modern-day healthcare, or use it as a convenient plot point at best.  Two books that got it right (imho) are Alas, Babylon by Pat Frank and Lucifer's Hammer by Niven and Pournelle.

I used to be quite a fan of TEOTWAWKI fiction, but nowadays I tend to favor more hopeful escapism.
I liked Lucifer's Hammer. It was one of the first of a long list of 'end of the world scenarios' I have read over the years. I think what prompted that aside from an early love of science fiction was an early memory of drawing circles with my Dad on a map of MD and Washington D.C. with the compass point on the Mall. If the Cuban-launched missile hit on target and wasn't a short round, and was the size of warhead everyone thought they were, our bug out plan was to Virginia by boat...which, without thinking about traffic and other complications, would have been best...(long ago and far away, now I have a ringside seat for WWIII).

Good, realistic TEOTWAWKI fiction is thought provoking and can expose holes in any prepper's setup, knowledge, or gear. Plans, too, for that matter. If it is solid, chances are the story isn't going to be a pretty one. If someone is out for unicorns and rainbows, they'd be better off to join the Bronies.

But all that harsh reality exposes a few salient truths.. You might be able to survive somewhere isolated on your own for a while, but to rebuild or survive long term will take people working together. Like any building project, sometimes you need someone to hold the other end of the board.

Realistic thought will change the way you look at the people around you, maybe even the things you do with your spare time, or even just the way you light the campfire next time. All of these are opportunities for skill building, and some volunteer work can get you a first aid course or more and CPR under your belt as well. You also look hard at what tech you would be able to sustain on your own. It's a short list if you aren't going with 'old tech', are wealthy to get enough of something beforehand that people would want to take it from you, or aren't darned handy and already living off grid. Things we take for granted would be pretty much gone.
So you look at your skill set(s) and decide where you might want to go with that, too.

That said, I'm a lover of a good 'space opera' too...and happy endings are fun, as long as you put them in perspective.

I am ever reminded of Ashley Wilkes and the rest gathered together and going to go whup the yankees and be home for supper any time people talk of CWII. We would be foolish to not achieve our ends by peaceful means to restore the Republic, if at all possible, rather than to resort to the carnage for combatant and civilian alike that would inevitably result from armed conflict, but foolish to shrink from that if it is the only resort.
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« Reply #311 on: August 20, 2016, 10:30:05 am »
Currently reading "3012: The Artifact" a self published freebie at http://www.free-ebooks.net/ebook/3012-The-Artifact

Its about a time traveler stuck in the year 3012 nearly 1000 years after the EPA had taken all control of the government. Everything from guns to coffee has been outlawed and the population has been conditioned to avoid thinking too much. The traveler had time transported himself to under an ice sheet because he was expecting global warming in the future but found an ice age and trhe southern edge of the ice is only a couple hundred miles north of Richmond VA.

I'm only about 10% of the way into the book this morning but its got a clear anti oppressive govt theme. Many of these self published freebies are crappy but this one is actually quite readable.

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« Reply #312 on: August 20, 2016, 02:19:01 pm »
Currently reading "3012: The Artifact" a self published freebie at http://www.free-ebooks.net/ebook/3012-The-Artifact

good to know!

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« Reply #313 on: August 20, 2016, 11:52:58 pm »
The new video from STAR CITIZEN has my hopes up that it might actually be finished in my lifetime. It looks awesome, a few glitches showed up, but the game looks like it could be really awesome when done.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GucYhhLwIxg

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« Reply #314 on: August 21, 2016, 05:11:48 pm »
2016 Hugo Awards

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The 2016 Hugo Awards were presented on the evening of Saturday, August 20, 2016 at a ceremony at MidAmeriCon II, the 74th World Science Fiction Convention. Administration of the 2016 Hugo Awards is exclusively the responsibility of MidAmeriCon II. The Hugo Awards are not administered by the Hugo Awards Web Site.

3,130 valid final ballots were cast by the members of MidAmeriCon II. Per the WSFS Constitution, each category must have at least 25% (1,488 ballots) participation; otherwise “No Award” must be presented in this category. This did not happen in any category. In the list below, we show the number of ballots cast in that category.
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Women and authors of color won big at this year's Hugo Awards

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This year’s Hugo Awards were awarded last night at MidAmeriCon II in Kansas City, with works such as N.K. Jemisin’s The Fifth Season and Nnedi Okorafor’s Binti walking away with the top prizes. You can read the entire list of winners here, but this year’s awards require a careful look.
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Hmm, seems like the SJWs have gotten better organized in their voting. Oh well, DragonCon's Dragon Awards are more relevant to my interests anyway.
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« Reply #316 on: August 21, 2016, 05:22:30 pm »
Hmm, seems like the SJWs have gotten better organized in their voting. Oh well, DragonCon's Dragon Awards are more relevant to my interests anyway.

It's just that the Rabid Puppies are spending all their time and energy cheering Trump.

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« Reply #317 on: August 21, 2016, 06:08:27 pm »
Hmm, seems like the SJWs have gotten better organized in their voting. Oh well, DragonCon's Dragon Awards are more relevant to my interests anyway.

Actually, I think it's that the Sad Puppies have realized their point has been made, and that pretty much no one cares about the Hugo Awards other than as a marker for works to avoid.  The Dragons are much more representative of the best of the genre, anyway.
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« Reply #318 on: August 21, 2016, 08:51:52 pm »
@geronl, @Doug Loss, you might both be right.  :pondering:
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« Reply #321 on: August 28, 2016, 08:44:59 pm »
Ever wonder what the night shift on the Next Generation did during their shift?

Well... wonder no more!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4ApQrbhQp8

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« Reply #323 on: September 04, 2016, 07:54:20 am »
If you get the Smithsonian Channel, Building Star Trek Premieres...


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« Reply #326 on: September 04, 2016, 11:03:06 am »
If you get the Smithsonian Channel, Building Star Trek Premieres...


http://www.smithsonianchannel.com/shows/building-star-trek/0/3436402

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It was 50 years ago, on 5 September 1966, that the cameras rolled for the first time in the Italianate village of Portmeirion as filming got under way for the cult 1960s adventure TV show The Prisoner.

The programme starred actor Patrick McGoohan playing the part of Number Six who is held captive in a mysterious village where the residents are known only by a number.

Each week, he would attempt to escape, only to find himself unable to break free from those who held him. But who were they? Why was he imprisoned? Which side were his captors on? And who was Number One?

The show was the creation of McGoohan, producer and director David Tomblin and script editor George Markstein who appeared in the opening titles, playing the role of the man to whom McGoohan's character offers his resignation. But it was McGoohan who, as well as being its star, shaped the show, writing and directing key episodes.
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« Reply #334 on: September 06, 2016, 11:39:08 am »
DragonCon was held over the weekend, and the First Annual Dragon Awards winners were named:

(List taken from the official website: http://awards.dragoncon.org/winners/)

Best Science Fiction Novel

Somewhither: A Tale of the Unwithering Realm by John C. Wright

Best Fantasy Novel

Son of the Black Sword by Larry Correia

Best Young Adult/Middle Grade Novel

The Shepherd’s Crown by Terry Pratchett

Best Military Science Fiction or Fantasy Novel

Hell’s Foundations Quiver by David Weber

Best Alternate History Novel

League of Dragons by Naomi Novik

Best Apocalyptic Novel

Ctrl Alt Revolt! by Nick Cole

Best Horror Novel

Souldancer by Brian Niemeier

Best Comic Book

Ms. Marvel

Best Graphic Novel

The Sandman: Overture by Neil Gaiman

Best Science Fiction or Fantasy TV Series

Game of Thrones – HBO

Best Science Fiction or Fantasy Movie

The Martian

Best Science Fiction or Fantasy PC/Console Game

Fallout 4 by Bethesda Softworks

Best Science Fiction of Fantasy Mobile Game

Fallout Shelter by Bethesda Softworks

Best Science Fiction of Fantasy Board Game

Pandemic: Legacy by ZMan Games

Best Science Fiction or Fantasy Miniatures/Collectible Card/Role Playing Game

Call of Cthulhu Roleplaying Game (7th edition) by Chaosium Inc.
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Re: The Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Spy, and Superhero Genre
« Reply #335 on: September 07, 2016, 03:30:04 pm »
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Re: The Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Spy, and Superhero Genre
« Reply #336 on: September 07, 2016, 10:16:47 pm »
Science fiction or science fact?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc8804tkoaM
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Re: The Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Spy, and Superhero Genre
« Reply #337 on: September 07, 2016, 11:22:09 pm »
The complete episode 9 of Humanity Has Declined.  It's a very funny (and dark) parody of the foundation of a nation, it's growth, zenith... and downfall.



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Re: The Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Spy, and Superhero Genre
« Reply #338 on: September 08, 2016, 11:08:31 am »
Science fiction or science fact?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc8804tkoaM
We should have been there already. Instead, we funded the poor. Now we have the fattest poor people, and more of them than ever.

One of my early 'flags' was from the Viking project. A fellow from NASA gave a talk on Viking, and as he popped the images of landforms up, understanding the different 'rules' for Mars, I had no trouble postulating how they formed. Unfortunately, Brown University decided my mathematics background wasn't enough and I didn't get the job...

The greatest obstacles to the project are and have been a combination of political and bureaucratic inertia, formed of the CYA mentality of government enclaves and the determination to protect the little fiefdoms of the current projects. After Apollo was cut short, and other ambitious programs nixed, no one wants to commit their professional future to a project which can be kicked out the airlock overnight for political expediency.
The danger in this mentality, and myriad other regulations concerning the sort of ordinary exploration, 'treasure hunting' for fossils, artifacts, and resources we were encouraged to find in my youth, is the discouragement of the sort of vision that leads humans to achieve great things; that discouragement applied from an early age. We no longer celebrate those who are the best and the brightest, we tell them to STFU or else, and quit disrupting the class. Stop upsetting the other students who don't have a clue what you are talking about. Peer pressure is ensured by no longer grouping the brightest students together so no one will be left behind. No tears are shed for those who are held back.
Aside from myriad ways to apply gadgetry, often for the most base reasons, we have made little real progress unless it is to use that same gadgetry to spy on and control the population here. Far from any 'utopia', this is ongoing repression masquerading as freedom. Which leads us to yet another 'problem' with Earth Governments funding Mars Missions with the eventual goal of establishing self sufficient colonies on Mars: Fear.
Those in those same governments fear the ignition of the dream in the masses of freedom. Sure, on Mars, that freedom would come at great risk and personal cost, but that freedom would eventually come from government by those who are millions of miles away, of necessity.

The very thought of such liberation there might well ignite a similar fire in the bellies of the masses here, who might awaken to the totalitarian repression even the most 'free' countries on Earth impose.
If people realized how little they actually need of bureaucratic oppression, what would be the result right here on Earth? 
By contrast, any restrictions imposed on Mars would be of necessity. Solutions to problems would not be imposed unless the problems were real, and would not continue if they did not solve the problem, so unlike the political environment here. Potential unintended consequences would not only be scrutinized beforehand, but vigilantly anticipated during the implementation of any solution or the colony would fail, and that failure would mean the death of those there.
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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Re: The Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Spy, and Superhero Genre
« Reply #340 on: September 11, 2016, 09:34:03 pm »
An interesting commentary on religon from Star Trek that you won't find in Sci Fi these days. From the Bread and Circuses episode.


www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Efi75W5U1Q


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« Reply #341 on: September 12, 2016, 09:14:16 pm »
An interesting commentary on religon from Star Trek that you won't find in Sci Fi these days. From the Bread and Circuses episode.


www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Efi75W5U1Q


Some shows did..


1. Babylon5, even though the creator was an atheist..
2. SGU, watch it again you will see why




I think there was a couple of more.. Also, Gene was a humanist, and I think the network kinda forced him to do this episode.
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Re: The Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Spy, and Superhero Genre
« Reply #342 on: September 12, 2016, 09:16:31 pm »

Some shows did..


1. Babylon5, even though the creator was an atheist..
2. SGU, watch it again you will see why




I think there was a couple of more.. Also, Gene was a humanist, and I think the network kinda forced him to do this episode.

In those days it was probably more scandalous to have Uhura speak up and correct the men.

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Re: The Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Spy, and Superhero Genre
« Reply #343 on: September 12, 2016, 09:21:08 pm »
In those days it was probably more scandalous to have Uhura speak up and correct the men.


Probably..
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Re: The Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Spy, and Superhero Genre
« Reply #344 on: September 13, 2016, 10:26:02 pm »
FWIW, This thread is quite serious from WILLIAM TOMPKINS--a 93 year old head of several black ops projects in and since WWII . . .

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,224639.0.html

And this link includes an article asserting that Gene Rodenberry was more or less instructed, helped to create Star Trek--as a take off from a real USA SPACE CARRIER etc. fleet and their operations, associations with literal "Nordics" etc. etc.

It turns out that William Tompkins was also involved with StarTrek etc. programs/movies.

http://exopolitics.org/tag/william-tompkins/

The first thread has had 35 or so views. But 0.0 comments.

Not sure what to think about that. It's very frustrating.

If I and my topics are really a pariah here, then I can accept that and not bother. But I don't know if that's the issue/problem of if something else is involved in the no dialogue/ZIP responses to such threads.

Certainly my stuff tends to be on the edges or over the edge of what many consider remotely believable.

That's tolerable. Goes with the territory of being Quix. I'm comfortable with the significant degree of personal expectations about the future over the last 50+ years and the degree that such inferences, assumptions, expectations have come true over and over again.

IF the first link is remotely true, it is quite sobering as it indicates that the oligarchy and their associated 'critters' are far closer to springing it all overtly on the world stage than most folks would guess in their wildest imaginations.

I think this is affirmed/confirmed by the Pope and his observatory's INCREASINGLY CANDID comments over the last few years regarding the Vatican's affinity for the purported "ET's."

I'm utterly convinced that the wildest of our fictional fantasy programs will, IN SOME RESPECTS, turn out to have been VERY CONSERVATIVE compared to what really is ultimately revealed to be and to have been true.

Thanks for this thread.
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Re: The Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Spy, and Superhero Genre
« Reply #345 on: September 13, 2016, 10:57:03 pm »
@Quix

Thanks for the links.

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Re: The Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Spy, and Superhero Genre
« Reply #346 on: September 13, 2016, 11:05:14 pm »
I actually posted this just for the Rogue One poster at the link.

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Science Fiction Is About To Become Hollywood's Next Huge Phenomenon

Modern cinema is at an important breaking point. Tentpole summer sequels are turning into massive failures, original films are being obliterated at the box office, and even seemingly successful film categories have their deterrents ("superhero fatigue," anyone?). However, there is one subsection of movies that looks primed for a massive breakout: science fiction.

The upcoming lineup of science fiction movies for the fall/winter of 2016 is looking incredibly promising. Included in that list are films such as Denis Villeneuve's Arrival, the Chris Pratt-Jennifer Lawrence romance Passengers, and, of course, the first Star Wars spin-off film, Rogue One. Among these wider releases, we'll also be seeing smaller independent films, and a variety of movies that contain elements of science fiction, even if they wouldn't necessarily be classified as part of the genre. A new dawn of science fiction films is coming......

http://moviepilot.com/p/scf-fi-next-big-thing-in-movies/4073071




Now for the serious question-- how big is the Death Star in relation to that planet based on the poster?

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Re: The Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Spy, and Superhero Genre
« Reply #347 on: September 13, 2016, 11:11:06 pm »

Now for the serious question-- how big is the Death Star in relation to that planet based on the poster?

lol. Since it is apparently far enough away not to destroy the planet by its very presence, it would have to be bigger than the planet, maybe twice as big.

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« Reply #348 on: September 13, 2016, 11:12:23 pm »
@Quix

Thanks for the links.

THANKS for saying so.

What's your impression of the article I mentioned in the 2nd link?

And Tompkins' narrative, for that matter?
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« Reply #349 on: September 13, 2016, 11:21:38 pm »
THANKS for saying so.

What's your impression of the article I mentioned in the 2nd link?

And Tompkins' narrative, for that matter?

The idea that they would brief the children of those involved extremely unlikely.