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« Reply #125 on: March 25, 2016, 05:03:09 am »
Some people do consider SS an entitlement.  I'll just call it a Ponzi-scheme.



Foriegn aid dates back to WWI.  Housing aid dates back to the U.S. Housing Act of 1937.  HHS dates back to the Social Security Act of 1935.  In short these are not new issues and the people who argued and fought for these things are long dead.  It is not Rubio's fault.  It is not Cruz's fault,  It is not the Establishment's fault.
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Why must you go there?  Have we not had a pleasant conversation? 

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Didn't you post this to me?  " One must look at America in a vacuum to ultimately conclude pathetic results."

SS Ponzi scheme or not, if you pay in you benefit. Congress hasn't protected SS. 

The waste and graft in government has got to be curtailed. Hard working US taxpayers are fed up with the SOS.

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« Reply #126 on: March 25, 2016, 05:08:41 am »
Thank you A-Lert for admitting this wasn't put out by Cruz or his supporters!

I don't know if you intended that, but we'll take painting yourself into a corner anytime!

I take the word of Cruz until proven otherwise. I hate the unfounded allegations and accusations thrown around so freely here and in the media.

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« Reply #127 on: March 25, 2016, 05:21:08 am »
I take the word of Cruz until proven otherwise. I hate the unfounded allegations and accusations thrown around so freely here and in the media.

Word to that. And personally I thought the ad featuring that photo of Melania was tasteless and a hatchet job by Fair's PAC. Wives should be off the table in that context.
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« Reply #128 on: March 25, 2016, 05:22:43 am »
Didn't you post this to me?  " One must look at America in a vacuum to ultimately conclude pathetic results."

SS Ponzi scheme or not, if you pay in you benefit. Congress hasn't protected SS. 

The waste and graft in government has got to be curtailed. Hard working US taxpayers are fed up with the SOS.

I'm sorry if you took "One must look at America in a vacuum to ultimately conclude pathetic results," as a slight.  It was not mean to judge, but to explain how you framed the question "What the hell kind of training provides such pathetic results?"

Many people receive SS Disability without paying in or paying very little in.

Every Presidential candidate promises to cut government waste and graft.  Only Trump has purchased politicians for the graft he received.

I am a hard working US taxpayer.  I have averaged 60-70 hours a week since Aug of 2015.  The problem is, what you see as waste and graft is different than what I see.  I would like to see the age requirement for SS increased.  I'd like to see means testing. but I understand where defenders of SS are coming from.  The government made a promise.  People on unemployment believe they are following the rules.  Some people receiving welfare have worked hard all their lives and now they need a little help. Some people believe they are entitled to education, healthcare, phones, internet, food, housing, and grants for their artwork.  And their votes count just as much as ours.  So now we see why there is no consensus on how to shrink government spending.

If you and I, who are infinitely closer together on the issues than you and a rat voter, can't agree on the single biggest government program (SS) how will we ever put those suckling the government teat on a diet?

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« Reply #129 on: March 25, 2016, 05:48:37 am »
I'm sorry if you took "One must look at America in a vacuum to ultimately conclude pathetic results," as a slight.  It was not mean to judge, but to explain how you framed the question "What the hell kind of training provides such pathetic results?"

Many people receive SS Disability without paying in or paying very little in.

Every Presidential candidate promises to cut government waste and graft.  Only Trump has purchased politicians for the graft he received.

I am a hard working US taxpayer.  I have averaged 60-70 hours a week since Aug of 2015.  The problem is, what you see as waste and graft is different than what I see.  I would like to see the age requirement for SS increased.  I'd like to see means testing. but I understand where defenders of SS are coming from.  The government made a promise.  People on unemployment believe they are following the rules.  Some people receiving welfare have worked hard all their lives and now they need a little help. Some people believe they are entitled to education, healthcare, phones, internet, food, housing, and grants for their artwork.  And their votes count just as much as ours.  So now we see why there is no consensus on how to shrink government spending.

If you and I, who are infinitely closer together on the issues than you and a rat voter, can't agree on the single biggest government program (SS) how will we ever put those suckling the government teat on a diet?

SSI is insurance. I have life insurance policies, one that I took out at age 16. I've been paying in for decades. When I die the beneficiary will get the face value amount, but I will have paid in tens of thousands of dollars. There are those unfortunate few who may pay in for a year or two and when they die the beneficiary still collects the face value. That's how insurance is supposed to work.

Now people who have paid into Medicare have difficulty finding physicians who will accept medicare patients. Seems to me that is a failure of the system.

I've paid close to $100,000.00 in home and car insurance premiums over the years and have never made a claim until this year when part of my roof blew off. I still had to pay the $1,000 deductible. Other people are less fortunate and probably a few are more fortunate.

It's funny how private enterprise can make insurance work, but government has so many problems doing so.

I don't have all the answers, but things have got to change, We can't continue to outspend the incoming.

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Re: Trump doubles down on Heidi Cruz attacks
« Reply #130 on: March 25, 2016, 06:57:13 am »
His former chief of staff runs the PAC.  They talk daily. 

Goggle really is your friend.

If you have proof that Cruz was behind the ad other than he knows someone in the PAC then post it.  Otherwise we should revisit Trumps call to loosen Libel laws.  Trump is engaging in character assassination and he has even drawn Cruz's wife into it.  Is this what Trump means about libel.  How he damages people's reputation and exposes others to hatred with his harmful tweets?  I am a person that doesn't like the ad that was posted about Milania.  I find it trashy and unnecessary.  Don't like it.  But Trump is a public figure and a politician.  When you run for POTUS everything will come out.  But the PAC didn't need to post it.  Most people see it by searching Trumps wife themselves.  It is in google images.  He married a model that posed nude.  That is a liberal trick to try and blame someone else because of your own past mistakes.  If you don't want people to see you nude don't pose for nude pictures.

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Re: Trump doubles down on Heidi Cruz attacks
« Reply #131 on: March 25, 2016, 07:18:14 am »
SSI is insurance. I have life insurance policies, one that I took out at age 16. I've been paying in for decades. When I die the beneficiary will get the face value amount, but I will have paid in tens of thousands of dollars. There are those unfortunate few who may pay in for a year or two and when they die the beneficiary still collects the face value. That's how insurance is supposed to work.

I'm curious.  Where did the Framers of the Constitution require government run insurance? 

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Now people who have paid into Medicare have difficulty finding physicians who will accept medicare patients. Seems to me that is a failure of the system.

I agree.  Some oversight is needed to protect the needy, from the lazy.

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I've paid close to $100,000.00 in home and car insurance premiums over the years and have never made a claim until this year when part of my roof blew off. I still had to pay the $1,000 deductible. Other people are less fortunate and probably a few are more fortunate.

It's funny how private enterprise can make insurance work, but government has so many problems doing so.

Again I ask, where did the Framers of the Constitution require government run insurance?  I find it funny that some conservatives think government should run like a business when they have opposite goals.  Private business has a goal of profit, and you know this, so why do I have to say it...
I'm feeling a some anger creep in now, because I think you are being deliberately obtuse, so forgive me if I sound little combative.  I want to have this conversation but I don't want to re-invent the wheel, so let us pretend we understand our argument.

I'll start.  There are many people who do not pay in to SSI, but claim they are f*-ed up and so they can't work.  They receive a check and continue to buy the drugs that f*-ed them up.  The problem is that there are also people who were born with problems, or they were injured later, that prevent them from being productive.  Without an intrusive federal government it is hard to differentiate the needy from the parasites.

Some of the parasites have paid little or nothing for the benefits they receive.  Do you understand my concern here?  and just to be clear, I believe society has a responsibility to care for those who can't care for themselves.  However there are others who believe that to have a strong society, the weak should be weeded out.  I call these scum neo nazis, but many are high minded liberals, sure in their sense of self worth.

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I don't have all the answers, but things have got to change, We can't continue to outspend the incoming.

I don't have all the answers either, but Obama said things have to change and his change is worse than Dubya.  Change for the sake of change is stupid change.

I am angry that the world is not how I would have it be.  I am angry that everyone does not agree with me.  We both have strong opinions.  We have, so far, had a cordial, respectful, and (I think) meaningful dialogue on the issues.

Tell me your thoughts.  Tell me your feelings.  Tell me your angry.  Tell me if you feel insulted, but give me the benefit of the doubt that I am trying to understand your point of view and I will do the same.

Thank you for your time.


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Re: Trump doubles down on Heidi Cruz attacks
« Reply #132 on: March 25, 2016, 01:18:12 pm »
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Re: Trump doubles down on Heidi Cruz attacks
« Reply #133 on: March 25, 2016, 01:30:08 pm »
All Trump did with his phony tantrum was knock 3-5 points off his favorables among women.
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Re: Trump doubles down on Heidi Cruz attacks
« Reply #134 on: March 25, 2016, 01:32:37 pm »
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Re: Trump doubles down on Heidi Cruz attacks
« Reply #135 on: March 25, 2016, 01:42:29 pm »
Only if one is convinced that the orange baboon would actually seat a conservative.  Given Trump's liberal leaning tendencies for most of his life, I find that highly doubtful.  The way I see it, with either Trump or Hillary as president we are royally screwed!
Exactly.

Consider two of the most destructive Supreme Court justices of our time: Earl Warren and William Brennan. Both were appointed by a Republican who had zero history in political office before running and won on name recognition and unrelated reputation as a "winner:" General Dwight D. Eisenhower.
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« Reply #136 on: March 25, 2016, 02:13:40 pm »
Exactly.

Consider two of the most destructive Supreme Court justices of our time: Earl Warren and William Brennan. Both were appointed by a Republican who had zero history in political office before running and won on name recognition and unrelated reputation as a "winner:" General Dwight D. Eisenhower.

Well at least Ike actually WAS a winner.   :smokin:
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« Reply #137 on: March 25, 2016, 02:15:51 pm »
tRump has many enablers in the msm.  First among them is Sean Hannity.
Wonder how explains this man to his wife and daughter.  NY trash is NY trash and nothing will make him a real man

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« Reply #138 on: March 25, 2016, 02:21:17 pm »
tRump has many enablers in the msm.  First among them is Sean Hannity.
Wonder how explains this man to his wife and daughter.  NY trash is NY trash and nothing will make him a real man

Nobody has done more than Rush IMO. All trump supporters use this analogies (half truths, really) to reagan, his terminology (GOP-e, establishment, blah blah blah). I heard him defend, in a ridiculous manner, Trump early on, that Trump loves liberty because his business depends on liberty. So asinine and his braindead followers lapped it up like neutered elves.

He was also responsible for the Herman Cain fiasco in 2012, another ridiculous "anti-establishment" candidate.

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« Reply #139 on: March 25, 2016, 02:24:13 pm »
Nobody has done more than Rush IMO. All trump supporters use this analogies (half truths, really) to reagan, his terminology (GOP-e, establishment, blah blah blah). I heard him defend, in a ridiculous manner, Trump early on, that Trump loves liberty because his business depends on liberty. So asinine and his braindead followers lapped it up like neutered elves.

He was also responsible for the Herman Cain fiasco in 2012, another ridiculous "anti-establishment" candidate.

I lost a lot of respect for Rush because of his being a Trump apologist.  All those years of saying that Conservatism was the solution, and then making excuses for a Progressive creep like Trump...

He seems to have come around some, but I doubt I'll ever think the same of him. 

And I'll bet I'm not the only one.

(And I'll probably never listen to Hannity again.  He never was the brightest bulb in the pack, but he's completely lost his mind....)
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Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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« Reply #140 on: March 25, 2016, 02:28:20 pm »
I lost a lot of respect for Rush because of his being a Trump apologist.  All those years of saying that Conservatism was the solution, and then making excuses for a Progressive creep like Trump...

He seems to have come around some, but I doubt I'll ever think the same of him. 

And I'll bet I'm not the only one.

Trump is his Frankenstein monster. Years of drug abuse have dulled his once-keen senses: now the monster is on the loose and threatens to pull the whole show down. Limbaugh knows it but cannot alienate his idiot listeners, so he has to try to be "anti-establishment" (this is a guy who regularly golfs with GOP insiders) and be "anti-Trump" in a gentle way which he might find hard to do.

If Trump gets nominated, and the resultant A-bomb meltdown implosion occurs in November, it will be interesting to see how he blames this on the ever present, ever nefarious GOP-e.

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« Reply #141 on: March 25, 2016, 02:32:10 pm »
Nobody has done more than Rush IMO. All trump supporters use this analogies (half truths, really) to reagan, his terminology (GOP-e, establishment, blah blah blah). I heard him defend, in a ridiculous manner, Trump early on, that Trump loves liberty because his business depends on liberty. So asinine and his braindead followers lapped it up like neutered elves.

He was also responsible for the Herman Cain fiasco in 2012, another ridiculous "anti-establishment" candidate.

Trump's business doesn't depend on Liberty, it depends on cronyism and rent-seeking. 

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« Reply #142 on: March 25, 2016, 02:33:34 pm »
Trump's business doesn't depend on Liberty, it depends on cronyism and rent-seeking.

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« Reply #143 on: March 25, 2016, 03:57:09 pm »
Well at least Ike actually WAS a winner.   :smokin:
True. Eisenhower was a LOT more of a man than most.
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« Reply #144 on: March 25, 2016, 08:01:42 pm »
tRump has many enablers in the msm.  First among them is Sean Hannity.
Wonder how explains this man to his wife and daughter.  NY trash is NY trash and nothing will make him a real man

Hillary, the sexual predator enabler is New York trash. How can anybody, but especially any woman vote for such a vile, evil witch? How do you explain her to your daughters, sons and grandchildren?

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« Reply #145 on: March 25, 2016, 09:24:56 pm »
Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 3m3 minutes ago

"@11phenomenon: #LyingTed blames @realDonaldTrump for so many things I am starting to think he is having a mental health crisis."
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Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 3m3 minutes ago

"@11phenomenon: #LyingTed blames @realDonaldTrump for so many things I am starting to think he is having a mental health crisis."
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« Reply #147 on: March 25, 2016, 09:46:45 pm »
Well at least Ike actually WAS a winner.   :smokin:
Thanks for standing up for President Eisenhower.

He was a fine career soldier, a fine President. Oh yeah, fine husband and father.

 
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« Reply #148 on: March 25, 2016, 09:47:47 pm »
Thanks for standing up for President Eisenhower.

He was a fine career soldier, a fine President. Oh yeah, fine husband and father.

I still like IKE!  :patriot:
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« Reply #149 on: March 25, 2016, 09:58:53 pm »
I still like IKE!  :patriot:
Me too. And his VP Nixon, who preceded my mother by a few years, at Whittier College. I became politically aware since there was that connection. My mother had grown up in Whittier, and in my first few years my grandparents still lived there.

Later Nixon ran for President in 1960. And I continued to be politically aware. Fast forward to the time I returned from military service overseas, and Nixon had established his Western WH where my parents lived, in San Clemente.

My brother worked building a restaurant for the son of Robert Mardian, in Dana Point. It still stands, and he still owns it. 

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