Mark Levin's Divorce

[aligncare]

But it was worth your time to hurl angry and untruthful insults. It ain't adding up Paco.

I see graciousness is not in your lexicon.

Carry-on.

[aligncare]

The thing is the bankruptcies weren't caused by Trump and they were Chapter 11 reorganizations. Lies, disinformation, disinformation and deceit are all used by haters.

You're exactly correct. The bottom fell out of that entire sector in the early 1990s. MGM Grand, Winn casino, a couple of others also folded in Atlantic City. Even at that, Trump's casino had been doing the best of those  others when he filed Chapter 11.

[MACVSOG68]

The thing is the bankruptcies weren't caused by Trump and they were Chapter 11 reorganizations. Lies, disinformation, disinformation and deceit are all used by haters.

I wish you'd get away from that silly "hater" thing.  There are a lot of people here and in the GOP who have serious concerns about this candidate who aren't "haters".  They are just as patriotic as your side claims to be.  Whether many here agree, Trump had a number of business failures, and they will be an issue in the GE. 

[A-Lert]

I wish you'd get away from that silly "hater" thing.  There are a lot of people here and in the GOP who have serious concerns about this candidate who aren't "haters".  They are just as patriotic as your side claims to be.  Whether many here agree, Trump had a number of business failures, and they will be an issue in the GE.

The haters are easy to identify.

You didn't read the article at the link I posted, did you. The quotes are from a Georgetown law professor.  Reorganizations aren't failures. They are setbacks which were overcome. Libs love to spin anything and everything in an attempt to destroy an opponent.

[Bill Cipher]

The haters are easy to identify.

You didn't read the article at the link I posted, did you. The quotes are from a Georgetown law professor.  Reorganizations aren't failures. They are setbacks which were overcome. Libs love to spin anything and everything in an attempt to destroy an opponent.

Reorganizations are failures.  That's why the courts manage them; to make sure the pain is spread evenly.  If they weren't failures there wouldn't be any need for a special body of law, or a special set of courts, to deal with them.

[A-Lert]

Reorganizations are failures. 

The reorganizations saved the companies from failure.

[truth_seeker]

Reorganizations are failures.  That's why the courts manage them; to make sure the pain is spread evenly.  If they weren't failures there wouldn't be any need for a special body of law, or a special set of courts, to deal with them.

Says a tax attorney ?

[Bill Cipher]

The reorganizations saved the companies from failure.

No, they didn't.  If the companies hadn't failed they wouldn't have needed reorganization.  The reorganizations fixed the failures so they could continue as going concerns.

[Bill Cipher]

Says a tax attorney ?

Eh? 

 :huh?:


Says somebody who understands the basic meaning of English words.

[A-Lert]

No, they didn't.  If the companies hadn't failed they wouldn't have needed reorganization.  The reorganizations fixed the failures so they could continue as going concerns.

If the companies failed they wouldn't be operational. They had financial setbacks, reorganized under Chapter 11 and continue to operate. 

[Bill Cipher]

If the companies failed they wouldn't be operational. They had financial setbacks, reorganized under Chapter 11 and continue to operate. 

A company only gets there if it's insolvent - i.e., if its losses exceed its assets - which is by definition a failure.

[MACVSOG68]

The haters are easy to identify.

You didn't read the article at the link I posted, did you. The quotes are from a Georgetown law professor.  Reorganizations aren't failures. They are setbacks which were overcome. Libs love to spin anything and everything in an attempt to destroy an opponent.

Of course it's a business failure.  If not, why do they call it a bankruptcy?  The creditors have to agree, and they do so only because they believe that it's in their best interests not to force a liquidation.  And if Trump can take credit for his various business successes, why should he not be held accountable for his failures? 

[musiclady]

I wish you'd get away from that silly "hater" thing.  There are a lot of people here and in the GOP who have serious concerns about this candidate who aren't "haters".  They are just as patriotic as your side claims to be.  Whether many here agree, Trump had a number of business failures, and they will be an issue in the GE.

"Hater" is the buzz word that Trump supporters use to make them feel that they're better people than we are because we don't support Trump and they do.

It's overused in a bizarre manner, but especially by a handful of posters.

Most of whom don't have a fully functioning vocabulary.

[sinkspur]

I am astounded at the Trump supporters twisting themselves into pretzels over Trump's obvious business failures:

In 2004, Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts, a holding company for various Trump properties including the Taj Mahal and a riverboat-gambling company in Gary, Ind., went into bankruptcy, having acquired $1.8 billion in debt while raising only $130 million through an initial public stock offering. Same story: Trump had borrowed too much money, at a rate he could not afford (15 percent, in fact, which lets you know how credit-worthy the market deems Trump to be), and once again he was obliged to give up most of his ownership stake.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/431420/donald-trumps-2016-debate-lies-he-went-bankrupt

Trump was a terrible credit risk (borrowed money at 15 percent when the federal funds rate was 4.5%). In another, earlier bankruptcy, Trump buried his own personal liabilities in the business"

Trump’s first bankruptcy was in 1991 after he borrowed a stupidly irresponsible amount of money to finance that monument to excruciatingly bad taste known as the Trump Taj Mahal in Atlantic City. Trump is such a good manager that the casino’s slot machines began failing during its first week of business. Never one to let reality stand in the way of his confidence, Trump had financed the $1 billion project largely with junk bonds, which meant very high interest payments. Trump did not make enough money to meet his interest payment and so was forced into bankruptcy. His ownership of the casino was diluted, and he ended up having to give back 500 slot machines to the company that had provided them.

 Trump himself was on the hook for nearly $1 billion in the deal, according to the New York Times, a sum that exceeded his net worth. He was forced to sell a fair amount of his personal property, including a yacht, as well as the failing air-shuttle service he’d been attempting to launch for some time. As Boston bankruptcy attorney Ted Connolly put it, Trump used the bankruptcy proceedings to negotiate away his personal liabilities while leaving the business saddled with debt. Unsurprisingly, the casino endured further financial problems, including bankruptcy.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/431420/donald-trumps-2016-debate-lies-he-went-bankrupt

[musiclady]

Why are you astounded, sinkspur?  They're also twisting themselves into knots trying to turn him into a decent human being.....

[MACVSOG68]

The reorganizations saved the companies from failure.

The reorganization saved the creditors from forcing liquidation.  If not a failure, is a chapter 11 a success?

Trump has had many successes and some dramatic failures.  Why are his supporters so afraid to link him only to his successes?

Donald Trump’s 16 Biggest Business Failures and Successes

http://time.com/3988970/donald-trump-business/

This article seems balanced does it not?  But google "Trump's business failures" and you can find a lot more.  Refusal by his supporters to even consider he can fail at something is far more of a failure than some of his less successful ventures.  We're voting for a president for goodness sake!

 

[Bill Cipher]

Adherents in a cult of personality cannot bear anything that might detract from the heroic stature of their cult figure.

[aligncare]

Of course it's a business failure.  If not, why do they call it a bankruptcy?  The creditors have to agree, and they do so only because they believe that it's in their best interests not to force a liquidation.  And if Trump can take credit for his various business successes, why should he not be held accountable for his failures?

Because those "failures" represented a tiny number compared to his successful companies.

Specifically, there are well over 500 LLCs in the Trump Organization.

Let's use the lower number: 4/500=0.008%. That's his percent of failed companies..

Mitt Romney, who had the audacity to criticize Donald Trump's "failures," while he was at Bain Capital had 15 bankruptcies with a couple being chapter 7. That worked out to be 25% of his LLCs at Bain capital.

Did you vote for Mitt Romney? Did you have any objections to Mitt Romny running for president though he had a 25% failure rate?

[Bill Cipher]

Because those "failures" represented a tiny number compared to his successful companies.

Specifically, there are well over 500 LLCs in the Trump Organization.

Let's use the lower number: 4/500=0.008%. That's his percent of failed companies..

Mitt Romney, who had the audacity to criticize Donald Trump's "failures," while he was at Bain Capital had 15 bankruptcies with a couple being chapter 7. That worked out to be 25% of his LLCs at Bain capital.

Did you vote for Mitt Romney? Did you have any objections to Mitt Romny running for president though he had a 25% failure rate?

A shell LLC used solely to hold nominal legal title to a parcel of real estate is not a separate business.  How many of those 500 LLCs are shells?

[sinkspur]

Because those "failures" represented a tiny number compared to his successful companies.

Specifically, there are well over 500 LLCs in the Trump Organization.

Let's use the lower number: 4/500=0.008%. That's his percent of failed companies..

Mitt Romney, who had the audacity to criticize Donald Trump's "failures," while he was at Bain Capital had 15 bankruptcies with a couple being chapter 7. That worked out to be 25% of his LLCs at Bain capital.

Did you vote for Mitt Romney? Did you have any objections to Mitt Romny running for president though he had a 25% failure rate?

Romney's companies were real companies.  90% of Trump's "companies" are shells, carrying the Trump label slapped on a business built and run by somebody else. In other words, Trump's business exposure in those companies is limited to the licensing of his name.

Those businesses that he actually did try and build mostly failed:  Trump Ice, Trump Steaks, Trump University, Trump Vodka, Trump Magazine, Trump Mortgage, ACN Telecom and others. 

[MACVSOG68]

"Hater" is the buzz word that Trump supporters use to make them feel that they're better people than we are because we don't support Trump and they do.

It's overused in a bizarre manner, but especially by a handful of posters.

Most of whom don't have a fully functioning vocabulary.

Yeah, it's a word that apparently permits one to bypass the anti-Trump arguments with just that one word.  There were quite a few here who went after the alleged RINO candidates with a vengeance...Bush, Rubio, Kasich et al.  And they still do.  But the supporters, and I was one, had to admit their various weaknesses.  The Trump supporters however, here and elsewhere, will support no such discussions.  You are either with him 100% or you are a hater.

When Obama was running and after his election, no one on his side would concede the slightest facts about him, his associates or his history.  While I see the same thing from Trump supporters, the difference this time is he won't have a friendly press as Obama did.

[MACVSOG68]

Because those "failures" represented a tiny number compared to his successful companies.

Specifically, there are well over 500 LLCs in the Trump Organization.

Let's use the lower number: 4/500=0.008%. That's his percent of failed companies..

Mitt Romney, who had the audacity to criticize Donald Trump's "failures," while he was at Bain Capital had 15 bankruptcies with a couple being chapter 7. That worked out to be 25% of his LLCs at Bain capital.

Did you vote for Mitt Romney? Did you have any objections to Mitt Romny running for president though he had a 25% failure rate?

A couple of differences here.  When Romney was running, I don't recall any of his supporters calling everyone who questioned his record haters.  And yes, I voted for Romney, but his business failures were there and open for discussion, as were his successes.  Romney's supporters didn't deny his history in Massachusetts.    Trump's business dealings are but one of numerous issues many Republicans have with him.  But as is obvious with even a discussion of his bankruptcies, should someone mention them, either they are a hater, or some comparison is made to others.  Obama's critics face the same thing.  Well they say, look what Bush or Reagan or Nixon did. 

[Bill Cipher]

A couple of differences here.  When Romney was running, I don't recall any of his supporters calling everyone who questioned his record haters.  And yes, I voted for Romney, but his business failures were there and open for discussion, as were his successes.  Romney's supporters didn't deny his history in Massachusetts.    Trump's business dealings are but one of numerous issues many Republicans have with him.  But as is obvious with even a discussion of his bankruptcies, should someone mention them, either they are a hater, or some comparison is made to others.  Obama's critics face the same thing.  Well they say, look what Bush or Reagan or Nixon did. 

Agreed.  I was initially opposed to him, and I did harp on his failures, but his supporters engaged and were able to put things into context; I ended up voting for him (and not just voting against Obama).

[MACVSOG68]

Agreed.  I was initially opposed to him, and I did harp on his failures, but his supporters engaged and were able to put things into context; I ended up voting for him (and not just voting against Obama).

As did I, though not in the primary here in SC. 

[aligncare]

A couple of differences here.  When Romney was running, I don't recall any of his supporters calling everyone who questioned his record haters.  And yes, I voted for Romney, but his business failures were there and open for discussion, as were his successes.  Romney's supporters didn't deny his history in Massachusetts.    Trump's business dealings are but one of numerous issues many Republicans have with him.  But as is obvious with even a discussion of his bankruptcies, should someone mention them, either they are a hater, or some comparison is made to others.  Obama's critics face the same thing.  Well they say, look what Bush or Reagan or Nixon did.

I looked over my post. I don't see where I said anything about hate?

0.008. I'll take that much failure in my business any day.

You're right about one thing, though. No single candidate in my memory has ever had to defend against such a barrage of criticism as Donald Trump has.

There was no talk about hatin' on Romney -- except maybe by a few religious bigots -- because Romney didn't have the kitchen sink thrown at him by 16 competitors, scores of debate moderators, the entire left wing media and 70% of the right wing media, the GOPe.

Romney didn't get the Hitler comparisons, the KKK racist comparisons, the Mussolini comparisons, the xenophobe, the misogynist; his supporters didn't get compared to mindless zombies and idiots ..I could go on and on and on, you know what I'm talking about. Maybe even indulged a bit yourself--I'm not accusing, just making a point.

That's right, no one mentioned anything about hate during Romney's campaign because it didn't exist.

TDS is a clinical condition brought on by exposure to Donald Trump. Some people have even sought professional help to cope with it. That's part joke and part truth.

[sinkspur]

I looked over my post. I don't see where I said anything about hate?

0.008. I'll take that much failure in my business any day.

You're right about one thing, though. No single candidate in my memory has ever had to defend against such a barrage of criticism as Donald Trump has.

There was no talk about hatin' on Romney -- except maybe by a few religious bigots -- because Romney didn't have the kitchen sink thrown at him by 16 competitors, scores of debate moderators, the entire left wing media and 70% of the right wing media, the GOPe.

Romney didn't get the Hitler comparisons, the KKK racist comparisons, the Mussolini comparisons, the xenophobe, the misogynist; his supporters didn't get compared to mindless zombies and idiots ..I could go on and on and on, you know what I'm talking about. Maybe even indulged a bit yourself--I'm not accusing, just making a point.

That's right, no one mentioned anything about hate during Romney's campaign because it didn't exist.

TDS is a clinical condition brought on by exposure to Donald Trump. Some people have even sought professional help to cope with it. That's part joke and part truth.

Compare the public presentation of Romney to Trump.  A gentleman versus a backstreet bully. Romney didn't get the comparisons to Hitler because there was no basis for it. Too many think Trump's authoritarianism has troubling parallels in history, especially since Trump retweeted Mussolini and defended it when confronted.

AC, your man is uncouth.  Americans are accustomed to some decorum from their leaders, and Trump has none.  He is a narcissist, a man with no unexpressed thoughts, who takes to Twitter with rants against Megyn Kelly, Mitt ROmney, his opponents, characterizes people as low energy, Little Marco, Lyin' Ted, then gets bent out of shape when someone characterizes him.

In short, Donald Trump's appeal is to the basest instinct of human beings:  anger, hatred, us-against-them, tribalism.  He cannot unify because he doesn't want to unify. 

He divides and he will continue to. That's why he will lose and lose badly in November.

[Frank Cannon]

A shell LLC used solely to hold nominal legal title to a parcel of real estate is not a separate business.  How many of those 500 LLCs are shells?

I use LLC's like people use Kleenex. It's a cheap way to divide an investment into a separate revenue stream with a little extra protection. To think it is some big deal is patently stupid.

[Politics4us]

Regardless of how one might like or dislike Trump, which of this list Sinkspur posted was a lie?

This thread is about Mark Levin. BTW, Reagan was divorced, Limbaugh was divorced several times. He wasn't a draft dodger, and wasn't responsible for the bankruptcies.

[Politics4us]

Actually, the only thing he's been wrong about when it comes to Trump is the degree to which Trump would be able to buffalo otherwise intelligent conservatives/republicans.

And George W. Bush didn't do that, leading to destroying the Republican Party? You're still wrong either way, even if you're claiming that he's just duping people.

[MACVSOG68]

I looked over my post. I don't see where I said anything about hate?

0.008. I'll take that much failure in my business any day.

You're right about one thing, though. No single candidate in my memory has ever had to defend against such a barrage of criticism as Donald Trump has.

There was no talk about hatin' on Romney -- except maybe by a few religious bigots -- because Romney didn't have the kitchen sink thrown at him by 16 competitors, scores of debate moderators, the entire left wing media and 70% of the right wing media, the GOPe.

Romney didn't get the Hitler comparisons, the KKK racist comparisons, the Mussolini comparisons, the xenophobe, the misogynist; his supporters didn't get compared to mindless zombies and idiots ..I could go on and on and on, you know what I'm talking about. Maybe even indulged a bit yourself--I'm not accusing, just making a point.

That's right, no one mentioned anything about hate during Romney's campaign because it didn't exist.

TDS is a clinical condition brought on by exposure to Donald Trump. Some people have even sought professional help to cope with it. That's part joke and part truth.

Where to begin...

To start with, the term "hater" is used here continually to describe those opposed to Trump.  We're basically all lumped into that "hate" basket regardless.  As for comparisons, you immediately diverted the discussion of Trump's business failures over to Romney.  As I said, it's a typical tactic used lucratively on both sides of the aisle. 

No one mentioned hate during the Romney campaign (well there were the anti-Mormons) because Romney didn't have the laundry list that Trump does.  He gets the kitchen sink thrown at him because they're his kitchen sinks.  Why is it wrong for a moderator to go after specific things he's said or done?  Never in history has there been a candidate with this many negative issues. 

The question you need to ask yourself is why so much antipathy toward Trump?  And no its not the rationale of his supporters that he's going to turn Washington completely around, dissolve the power of the establishment, and end corruption and inefficiency in government.  Many have tried, none have succeeded.  Nor is it something as simple as TDS which his supporters want to believe.  It's real issues within his business background, his perceived lack of an identifiable ideology, his personal life, his vulgar and offensive language, attacks on almost every group in the Country, his promises everyone knows can't possibly be achieved; his flip-flopping on numerous issues, his political background. 

And no I don't hate the guy.  I don't respect him and hope he can still be defeated by convention time.  But I don't think that's likely to happen.

 

[Politics4us]

I deleted my post, because I knew you could come up with a handful...

But Michael Savage supported Jerry Brown in CA, so I wouldn't put him on my list, were I you.......

He's a conservative in general.

[MACVSOG68]

This thread is about Mark Levin. BTW, Reagan was divorced, Limbaugh was divorced several times. He wasn't a draft dodger, and wasn't responsible for the bankruptcies.

He may not have been a draft dodger, but  he did manage every way out, which only came out through FOIA.  Telling the world his Vietnam was sleeping around doesn't add to his "non draft-dodger" self-image.  And I think the bankruptcy thing has been hashed over.  They existed; they were his babies.  So far I haven't seen anything in that list that Sink lied about.

[musiclady]

He's a conservative in general.

Except that supporting a leftist lunatic, Jerry Brown...................

.............. which NO "conservative in general" would ever do.

Savage is a shock entertainer.  No more than that. 

He's in the Howard Stern category, IMO, and not exactly a stellar example to bring up as a Trump supporter.

Neither is Coulter, who jumped ship from Conservatism years and years ago.

Schlafley is 91 and may not be fully aware of what she's saying.

But the bottom line is this....  Trump is NOT Conservative, and people who ARE Conservative shouldn't be endorsing a liberal.

[Sanguine]

Levin had a cheap shot against Alec Baldwin, when he said to him, "No wonder why your wife is so pissed off at you" on the Brian Whitman Show. Number two, he did compare Trump's rhetoric to Stalin's the other day. He also has a future son-in-law working for Ted Cruz.

If that's the worst you can come up with, you're making Levin look good.

[Bill Cipher]

Where to begin...

To start with, the term "hater" is used here continually to describe those opposed to Trump.  We're basically all lumped into that "hate" basket regardless.  As for comparisons, you immediately diverted the discussion of Trump's business failures over to Romney.  As I said, it's a typical tactic used lucratively on both sides of the aisle. 

No one mentioned hate during the Romney campaign (well there were the anti-Mormons) because Romney didn't have the laundry list that Trump does.  He gets the kitchen sink thrown at him because they're his kitchen sinks.  Why is it wrong for a moderator to go after specific things he's said or done?  Never in history has there been a candidate with this many negative issues. 

The question you need to ask yourself is why so much antipathy toward Trump?  And no its not the rationale of his supporters that he's going to turn Washington completely around, dissolve the power of the establishment, and end corruption and inefficiency in government.  Many have tried, none have succeeded.  Nor is it something as simple as TDS which his supporters want to believe.  It's real issues within his business background, his perceived lack of an identifiable ideology, his personal life, his vulgar and offensive language, attacks on almost every group in the Country, his promises everyone knows can't possibly be achieved; his flip-flopping on numerous issues, his political background. 

And no I don't hate the guy.  I don't respect him and hope he can still be defeated by convention time.  But I don't think that's likely to happen.

 

Very well put.  Thanks for taking the time to write it.

[MACVSOG68]

Very well put.  Thanks for taking the time to write it.

Thank you.