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JOHN QUINCY ADAMS ON ISLAM
« on: December 16, 2015, 03:43:24 pm »
JOHN QUINCY ADAMS ON ISLAM

JUNE 8, 2011

The average American’s lack of awareness of the past has left our nation in an extremely vulnerable position. The multi-culturalism, pluralism, “diversity,” and political correctness that now blanket American culture mean that many are oblivious to and unconcerned about the threat that Islam poses to the American (and Christian) way of life. The Founders of the American Republic were not so dispossessed. They were well-studied in the ebb and flow of human history, and the international circumstances that could potentially impact America adversely. They, in fact, spoke openly and pointedly about the anti-American, anti-Christian nature of the religion of Islam.

Consider, for example, the writings of an early President of the United States, John Quincy Adams. Not only did Adams live during the founding era (born in 1767), not only was his father a primary, quintessential Founder, but John Quincy was literally nurtured by his father in the vicissitudes and intricacies of the founding of the Republic. John Adams involved his son at an early age in his own activities and travels on behalf of the fledgling nation. John Quincy accompanied his father to France in 1778, became Secretary to the American Minister to Russia, was the Secretary to his father during peace negotiations that ended the American Revolution in 1783, served as U.S. foreign ambassador, both to the Netherlands and later to Portugal, under George Washington, to Prussia under his father’s presidency, and then to Russia and later to England under President James Madison. He served as a U.S. Senator, Secretary of State under President James Monroe, and then as the nation’s sixth President (1825-1829), and finally as a member of the U.S. House of Representatives, where he was a staunch and fervent opponent of slavery.

After his presidency, but before his election to Congress in 1830, John Quincy penned several essays dealing with one of the many Russo-Turkish Wars. In these essays, we see a cogent, informed portrait of the threat that Islam has posed throughout world history:

In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar, the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth. Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust, by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE.

Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. That war is yet flagrant; nor can it cease but by the extinction of that imposture, which has been permitted by Providence to prolong the degeneracy of man. While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and good will towards men. The hand of Ishmael will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him. It is, indeed, amongst the mysterious dealings of God, that this delusion should have been suffered for so many ages, and during so many generations of human kind, to prevail over the doctrines of the meek and peaceful and benevolent Jesus (Blunt, 1830, 29:269, capitals in orig.).

Observe that Adams not only documents the violent nature of Islam, in contrast with the peaceful and benevolent thrust of Christianity, he further exposes the mistreatment of women inherent in Islamic doctrine, including the degrading practice of polygamy.

A few pages later, Adams again spotlights the coercive, violent nature of Islam, as well as the Muslim’s right to lie and deceive to advance Islam:

The precept of the koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God. The vanquished may purchase their lives, by the payment of tribute; the victorious may be appeased by a false and delusive promise of peace; and the faithful follower of the prophet, may submit to the imperious necessities of defeat: but the command to propagate the Moslem creed by the sword is always obligatory, when it can be made effective. The commands of the prophet may be performed alike, by fraud, or by force (Blunt, 29:274).

No Christian would deny that many Christians in history have violated the precepts of Christ by mistreating others and even committing atrocities in the name of Christ. However, Adams rightly observes that one must go against Christian doctrine to do so. Not so with Islam—since violence is sanctioned:

The fundamental doctrine of the Christian religion, is the extirpation of hatred from the human heart. It forbids the exercise of it, even towards enemies. There is no denomination of Christians, which denies or misunderstands this doctrine. All understand it alike—all acknowledge its obligations; and however imperfectly, in the purposes of Divine Providence, its efficacy has been shown in the practice of Christians, it has not been wholly inoperative upon them. Its effect has been upon the manners of nations. It has mitigated the horrors of war—it has softened the features of slavery—it has humanized the intercourse of social life. The unqualified acknowledgement of a duty does not, indeed, suffice to insure its performance. Hatred is yet a passion, but too powerful upon the hearts of Christians. Yet they cannot indulge it, except by the sacrifice of their principles, and the conscious violation of their duties. No state paper from a Christian hand, could, without trampling the precepts of its Lord and Master, have commenced by an open proclamation of hatred to any portion of the human race. The Ottoman lays it down as the foundation of his discourse (Blunt, 29:300, emp. added).

The Founders were forthright in their assessment of the nature and teachings of Islam and the Quran. Americans and their political leaders would do well to take a sober look at history. To fail to do so will be catastrophic.

Reference

Blunt, Joseph (1830), The American Annual Register for the Years 1827-8-9 (New York: E. & G.W. Blunt), 29:267-402, [On-line], URL: http://www.archive.org/stream/p1americanannual29blunuoft.
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Re: JOHN QUINCY ADAMS ON ISLAM
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2015, 03:44:56 pm »
 
Islam has always been just as it is now...

To think it can be 'tamed' by killing just the jihadis is... terribly naive or... incredibly disingenuous...


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« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2015, 03:51:31 pm »

Islam has always been just as it is now...

To think it can be 'tamed' by killing just the jihadis is... terribly naive or... incredibly disingenuous...

Agreed!

And allowing the Mullas a safe state haven from which to operate is just asking for more of the same!
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2015, 04:11:17 pm »
BTW: This subject has been radioactive in political circles but Santorum FINALLY said something about it in the pre debate debate last night and got some LOUD applause!
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2015, 04:19:04 pm »

Islam has always been just as it is now...

To think it can be 'tamed' by killing just the jihadis is... terribly naive or... incredibly disingenuous...

My thoughts exactly, although I've been using different terms.

Almost any time I turn on the television news, I am just amazed at these jackals, equal number wearing the "R" label and the "D" label, spouting the same crap.  They are either astonishingly ignorant, or the vilest of propagandists.  Perhaps some are a bit of both.

Either way, a LOT of people are going to be killed because of their spew, and a LOT of our liberties are going to continued to be flushed away.


Thank you for posting this, Bigun, it is good to see examples of what our Founders (and most citizens) knew to be truth more than 200 years ago.  Yet more examples as how our society, cultural, and gubmint have been hollowed out from the inside from decades and decades of Cultural Marxism.

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Re: JOHN QUINCY ADAMS ON ISLAM
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2015, 04:22:10 pm »
BTW: This subject has been radioactive in political circles but Santorum FINALLY said something about it in the pre debate debate last night and got some LOUD applause!

Yes, I mentioned in the thread, Santorum knows quite a bit more than your average bear about the truth about izlam.  I am always glad to see/hear him speaking openly about it.  He stands out today in stark contrast to that vile propagandist, Graham, who is being celebrated all over the television as the voice of reason of the Republican party.

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« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2015, 04:23:03 pm »
My thoughts exactly, although I've been using different terms.

Almost any time I turn on the television news, I am just amazed at these jackals, equal number wearing the "R" label and the "D" label, spouting the same crap.  They are either astonishingly ignorant, or the vilest of propagandists.  Perhaps some are a bit of both.

Either way, a LOT of people are going to be killed because of their spew, and a LOT of our liberties are going to continued to be flushed away.


Thank you for posting this, Bigun, it is good to see examples of what our Founders (and most citizens) knew to be truth more than 200 years ago.  Yet more examples as how our society, cultural, and gubmint have been hollowed out from the inside from decades and decades of Cultural Marxism.

Thanks Katz!

Someone has to do it and it might as well be us!
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"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2015, 04:46:42 pm »
The fact that the nature of Islam is not truthfully discussed in the public forum is one of the worst forms of political correctness and fear making a real problem impossible to solve.  We are left ignoring it and hoping it goes away. It won't and the worst enemy we have ever faced is within our midst...the gate is open.
Well, George Lewis told the Englishman, the Italian and the Jew
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« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2015, 04:52:39 pm »
He stands out today in stark contrast to that vile propagandist, Graham, who is being celebrated all over the television as the voice of reason of the Republican party.

More evidence that the msm is controlled to produce a certain meme in the minds of Americans...


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« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2015, 04:53:45 pm »
Isn't Adams just some old, dead white guy??  :smokin:

Seriously............ John Quincy Adams had it right almost 200 years ago.

And what Scott said is absolutely right.  PC is going to get us all killed.
Character still matters.  It always matters.

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« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2015, 04:54:45 pm »
The fact that the nature of Islam is not truthfully discussed in the public forum is one of the worst forms of political correctness and fear making a real problem impossible to solve.  We are left ignoring it and hoping it goes away. It won't and the worst enemy we have ever faced is within our midst...the gate is open.

 :amen:  :amen: and  :amen:

Couldn't have said it better myself!
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2015, 05:06:04 pm »
More evidence that the msm is controlled to produce a certain meme in the minds of Americans...

Yup!  It has always been visible if one looked with almost any level of discernment beyond a glaze.  But, since Trump (love him, or hate him) started stirring up all of these hornet's nests, it has become as clear as a bell.  They are in overdrive mode, this demon Trump is bringing too much out into the public forum and widespread discussion.  It is almost comical to watch them at this point.

For the past several months, Trump (even in the most ham-handed ways) starts talking about "Topic X," by the next morning there are at least 3-5 counter memes (about "Topic X") being broadcast all over the msm. 

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« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2015, 05:12:15 pm »
Yup!  It has always been visible if one looked with almost any level of discernment beyond a glaze.  But, since Trump (love him, or hate him) started stirring up all of these hornet's nests, it has become as clear as a bell.  They are in overdrive mode, this demon Trump is bringing too much out into the public forum and widespread discussion.  It is almost comical to watch them at this point.

For the past several months, Trump (even in the most ham-handed ways) starts talking about "Topic X," by the next morning there are at least 3-5 counter memes (about "Topic X") being broadcast all over the msm.

That is quite true! ALL of it!

I have no intention of voting for Trump in the primary but that does not change the fact that we owe him a great deal one iota!
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2015, 02:34:39 am »
katzenjammer wrote above:
"Thank you for posting this, Bigun, it is good to see examples of what our Founders (and most citizens) knew to be truth more than 200 years ago.  Yet more examples as how our society, cultural, and gubmint have been hollowed out from the inside from decades and decades of Cultural Marxism."

What will it take to restore "the guts" of our nation back into their proper place in the hollowed-out core....?

I sense that I know, but that it's still not the kind of "solution" one ought to post openly...

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« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2015, 02:36:02 am »
Scott wrote above:
"The fact that the nature of Islam is not truthfully discussed in the public forum is one of the worst forms of political correctness and fear making a real problem impossible to solve.  We are left ignoring it and hoping it goes away."

islam isn't going away...

... until it is MADE TO "go away".