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Re: NASA announces manned Mars mission
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday, Dec 03, 2014 06:50 pm »
Wonder which Moslem planned the mission?
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« Reply #2 on: Thursday, Dec 04, 2014 06:38 am »
Wonder which Moslem planned the mission?

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« Reply #3 on: Thursday, Dec 04, 2014 07:05 am »
Wonder which Moslem planned the mission?

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« Reply #4 on: Friday, Dec 05, 2014 02:48 pm »
I prefer a mission to Alpha Centauri..
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« Reply #5 on: Friday, Dec 05, 2014 03:01 pm »
Where are they planning to get the money?No bucks - No Buck Rogers!

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Barack Obama: Nasa must try to make Muslims 'feel good'
The head of the Nasa has said Barack Obama told him to make "reaching out to the Muslim world" one of the space agency's top priorities.
 By Toby Harnden in Washington
8:00PM BST 06 Jul 2010
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Charles Bolden, a retired United States Marines Corps major-general and former astronaut, said in an interview with al-Jazeera that Nasa was not only a space exploration agency but also an "Earth improvement agency".

Mr Bolden said: "When I became the Nasa administrator, he [Mr Obama] charged me with three things.

"One, he wanted me to help reinspire children to want to get into science and math; he wanted me to expand our international relationships; and third, and perhaps foremost, he wanted me to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science, math, and engineering."

He added: "It is a matter of trying to reach out and get the best of all worlds, if you will, and there is much to be gained by drawing in the contributions that are possible from the Muslim [nations]."   ...
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« Reply #7 on: Monday, Dec 08, 2014 05:21 pm »
Where are they planning to get the money?No bucks - No Buck Rogers!


Very true!!

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« Reply #8 on: Monday, Dec 08, 2014 10:25 pm »

Very true!!

If they expect to pull this off, they will have to spread the costs and involve different space agencies. This includes involving some of the newer companies like Space X.

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« Reply #9 on: Tuesday, Dec 09, 2014 10:59 am »
Where are they planning to get the money?No bucks - No Buck Rogers!

If we in the United States cared about our space program enough to give it even a small percentage of the funding we give to our military there would be more than enough money for the United States to lead the way in space exploration. People don't seem to understand how important science and space exploration is for the future. The country that expands into and begins to conquer space is going to be the superpower of the future. We can have all of the military might we want, but technology will be the most important factor. Countless world superpowers have been dethroned due to lack of innovation and technology. Europe and even Asia are all poised to surpass us on that front if we do not do something about it. 
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« Reply #10 on: Tuesday, Dec 09, 2014 11:03 am »
If we in the United States cared about our space program enough to give it even a small percentage of the funding we give to our military there would be more than enough money for the United States to lead the way in space exploration. People don't seem to understand how important science and space exploration is for the future. The country that expands into and begins to conquer space is going to be the superpower of the future. We can have all of the military might we want, but technology will be the most important factor. Countless world superpowers have been dethroned due to lack of innovation and technology. Europe and even Asia are all poised to surpass us on that front if we do not do something about it.

Forget it. Reason was jettisoned a long time ago. There are EBT cards to charge, and pork barrel boondoggles to fund.

Those that care about space exploration, and science, are in the decided mino... excuse me, I just got a tweet, now I have to update my facebook page.

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« Reply #11 on: Tuesday, Dec 09, 2014 11:12 am »
Barack Obama: Nasa must try to make Muslims 'feel good'
The head of the Nasa has said Barack Obama told him to make "reaching out to the Muslim world" one of the space agency's top priorities.
 By Toby Harnden in Washington
8:00PM BST 06 Jul 2010More at Telegraph (UK)

Maybe if the Muslim world became more interested in the pursuit of science and the progression of humanity they would finally be able to join the rest of us at the adult table. I don't believe nor will I ever believe that Muslims are inherently bad, or even that they are more consistently bad. Culturally they are dragging behind the rest of us, and that is why they seem barbaric. They are no worse than countless other groups of people throughout history. I think Muslims do need to be encouraged to become more science/space minded.
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Re: NASA announces manned Mars mission
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday, Dec 09, 2014 11:20 am »
Why are they going to Mars? There are no infidels to blow up there.
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« Reply #13 on: Tuesday, Dec 09, 2014 11:34 am »
Maybe if the Muslim world became more interested in the pursuit of science and the progression of humanity they would finally be able to join the rest of us at the adult table. I don't believe nor will I ever believe that Muslims are inherently bad, or even that they are more consistently bad. Culturally they are dragging behind the rest of us, and that is why they seem barbaric. They are no worse than countless other groups of people throughout history. I think Muslims do need to be encouraged to become more science/space minded.

Great, then Obama is your man.

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« Reply #14 on: Tuesday, Dec 09, 2014 04:03 pm »
If we in the United States cared about our space program enough to give it even a small percentage of the funding we give to our military there would be more than enough money for the United States to lead the way in space exploration. People don't seem to understand how important science and space exploration is for the future. The country that expands into and begins to conquer space is going to be the superpower of the future. We can have all of the military might we want, but technology will be the most important factor. Countless world superpowers have been dethroned due to lack of innovation and technology. Europe and even Asia are all poised to surpass us on that front if we do not do something about it. 

That's a poor apples/oranges comparison.  It's like the old canard:  if we can send people to the Moon why can't we end poverty?

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« Reply #15 on: Tuesday, Dec 09, 2014 06:30 pm »
If we in the United States cared about our space program enough to give it even a small percentage of the funding we give to our military there would be more than enough money for the United States to lead the way in space exploration. People don't seem to understand how important science and space exploration is for the future. The country that expands into and begins to conquer space is going to be the superpower of the future. We can have all of the military might we want, but technology will be the most important factor. Countless world superpowers have been dethroned due to lack of innovation and technology. Europe and even Asia are all poised to surpass us on that front if we do not do something about it.

The military is mentioned in Article One Section 8 of the Constitution to be funded.NASA is a luxury item in the federal budget

http://1787-1.blogspot.com/2007/05/constitution-part-xii-military.html
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« Reply #16 on: Tuesday, Dec 09, 2014 07:12 pm »
If we in the United States cared about our space program enough to give it even a small percentage of the funding we give to our military there would be more than enough money for the United States to lead the way in space exploration. People don't seem to understand how important science and space exploration is for the future. The country that expands into and begins to conquer space is going to be the superpower of the future. We can have all of the military might we want, but technology will be the most important factor. Countless world superpowers have been dethroned due to lack of innovation and technology. Europe and even Asia are all poised to surpass us on that front if we do not do something about it.

All of our technology to date have been spinoffs from military projects. The Redstone IRBM,Titan II ICBM and Atlas ICBM were used in the space program of the 1960s. The X series planes under the tutelage of the USAF have been used in the space program. Now the Peacekeeper missiles are being used to launch satellites from Space X.Anyways, the USAF is sort of in the "space exploration" buisness with the X-37 but nobody knows what the purpose of the X-37
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« Reply #17 on: Thursday, Dec 11, 2014 09:10 am »
The military is mentioned in Article One Section 8 of the Constitution to be funded.NASA is a luxury item in the federal budget

http://1787-1.blogspot.com/2007/05/constitution-part-xii-military.html

That's true, but to be fair the founding fathers were probably not aware of the fact that we'd be trying to get to Mars. NASA being a "luxury item" does not make it unimportant. The pursuit of science is incredibly important.
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« Reply #18 on: Thursday, Dec 11, 2014 09:12 am »
All of our technology to date have been spinoffs from military projects. The Redstone IRBM,Titan II ICBM and Atlas ICBM were used in the space program of the 1960s. The X series planes under the tutelage of the USAF have been used in the space program. Now the Peacekeeper missiles are being used to launch satellites from Space X.Anyways, the USAF is sort of in the "space exploration" buisness with the X-37 but nobody knows what the purpose of the X-37

You're right that a lot of our scientific progress has been made from a desire to kill and conquer. Imagine if we entered a period of time where science was sought after purely for the sake of science. I imagine the progress would be a lot better.
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« Reply #19 on: Thursday, Dec 11, 2014 12:34 pm »
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You're right that a lot of our scientific progress has been made from a desire to kill and conquer. Imagine if we entered a period of time where science was sought after purely for the sake of science. I imagine the progress would be a lot better.

But we have maintained our lead among the Russians and Chinese in technology. I see nothing wrong in investing in the military. You are a pacifist

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« Reply #21 on: Thursday, Dec 11, 2014 08:19 pm »
That's true, but to be fair the founding fathers were probably not aware of the fact that we'd be trying to get to Mars. NASA being a "luxury item" does not make it unimportant. The pursuit of science is incredibly important.

NASA is not necessary and, for the most part, sucks the oxygen out of the room for private ventures that would be much better at the space exploration game than NASA was, is, or ever will be.  NASA manned missions are a glorious waste of OPM (other peoples' money).

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« Reply #22 on: Thursday, Dec 11, 2014 09:43 pm »
NASA is not necessary and, for the most part, sucks the oxygen out of the room for private ventures that would be much better at the space exploration game than NASA was, is, or ever will be.  NASA manned missions are a glorious waste of OPM (other peoples' money).

I agree with you. The same thing can be accomplished with unmanned robot missions at the fraction of the cost of a manned mission. Space X is a good example of private ventures that is paying off.

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« Reply #23 on: Thursday, Dec 11, 2014 10:02 pm »
NASA is not necessary and, for the most part, sucks the oxygen out of the room for private ventures that would be much better at the space exploration game than NASA was, is, or ever will be.  NASA manned missions are a glorious waste of OPM (other peoples' money).

The problem with relying completely on private ventures is that those will only take place if there is money to be made. This will become a limiting factor because exploring space may not always be profitable. The importance of space exploration goes beyond money, and should not be hindered by the fact that it isn't always going to be profitable. I have to stand in awe of people that take issue with some of our tax money being used for things like NASA. So much of our money is wasted on complete nonsense; why attack one of the few things that is actually doing some good for humanity?
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The problem with relying completely on private ventures is that those will only take place if there is money to be made. This will become a limiting factor because exploring space may not always be profitable. The importance of space exploration goes beyond money, and should not be hindered by the fact that it isn't always going to be profitable. I have to stand in awe of the people that take issue with some of our tax money being used for things like NASA. So much of our money is wasted on complete nonsense. Is NASA really the one you have a problem with?

Is there a problem making money off your ventures and whatever spinoff technology that comes from it? NASA made money off from the spinoffs from the 1960s all the way to the Space Shuttle.
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Is there a problem making money off your ventures and whatever spinoff technology that comes from it? NASA made money off from the spinoffs from the 1960s all the way to the Space Shuttle.

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« Reply #26 on: Thursday, Dec 11, 2014 10:09 pm »
Is there a problem making money off your ventures and whatever spinoff technology that comes from it?

No, but there is a problem with space exploration being held back by the fact that there aren't immediate and obvious ways to make a lot of money.
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« Reply #27 on: Thursday, Dec 11, 2014 10:12 pm »
No, but there is a problem with space exploration being held back by the fact that there aren't immediate and obvious ways to make a lot of money.

Space Exploration is being held back because its too expensive for the type of mission you are proposing.A robot can do the same thing at fraction of the cost.A Mars mission would need a major infusion of cash and major cuts from other departments.

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Space Exploration is being held back because its too expensive for the type of mission you are proposing. That would need a major infusion of cash and major cuts from other departments.

If even a small fraction of the money we waste on war and its machines was instead directed towards funding space exploration we would see phenomenal leaps in our understanding of space.
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« Reply #29 on: Thursday, Dec 11, 2014 10:15 pm »
If even a small fraction of the money we waste on war and its machines was instead directed towards funding space exploration we would see phenomenal leaps in our understanding of space.

NASA is not listed in the Constitution. The military is under Article One Section 8 is.But Congress does allocate money for the sciences and its within the law.
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NASA is not listed in the Constitution. The military is under Article One Section 8 is.

I didn't realize something had to be listed in the Constitution to be a worthwhile use of taxes.
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« Reply #31 on: Thursday, Dec 11, 2014 10:25 pm »
I didn't realize something had to be listed in the Constitution to be a worthwhile use of taxes.

Congress determines what taxes are to be used for. They are in control of the purse.But Congress does allocate money for the sciences and its within the law.
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Congress determines what taxes are to be used for. They are in control of the purse.But Congress does allocate money for the sciences and its within the law.

But at this current moment there is no money for NASA so we have to depend on other sources or spread the costs around to other agencies. Cost is what killed the Space Shuttle and fleet was getting old despite of upgrades.The total cost of the actual 30-year service life of the shuttle program through 2011, adjusted for inflation, was $196 billion.The exact breakdown into non-recurring and recurring costs is not available, but, according to NASA, the average cost to launch a Space Shuttle as of 2011 was about $450 million per mission.
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