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Offline Politics4us

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Where is the apology to conservatives over McCain?
« on: October 17, 2013, 01:11:59 pm »
Conservatives who were angry that McCain was winning the primary in 2008, and later went on to win the primary were told to calm down, and that McCain was the right candidate. You know the examples that have taken place since 2008 that prove that the conservatives were right to be angry over the fact that McCain was going to be the GOP's candidate. Where is the apology?
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Re: Where is the apology to conservatives over McCain?
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2013, 01:33:12 pm »
I would advise not holding your breath waiting for it!
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Re: Where is the apology to conservatives over McCain?
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2013, 02:00:05 pm »
Quote from: Politics4us on October 17, 2013, 01:11:59 pm
Conservatives who were angry that McCain was winning the primary in 2008, and later went on to win the primary were told to calm down, and that McCain was the right candidate. You know the examples that have taken place since 2008 that prove that the conservatives were right to be angry over the fact that McCain was going to be the GOP's candidate. Where is the apology?

Elections, even primary elections, are won with votes.  Whatever candidate you were backing in 2008 didn't get enough votes.

Why do you deserve an apology? 
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Re: Where is the apology to conservatives over McCain?
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2013, 02:17:30 pm »
Quote from: sinkspur on October 17, 2013, 02:00:05 pm
Elections, even primary elections, are won with votes.  Whatever candidate you were backing in 2008 didn't get enough votes.

Why do you deserve an apology?

Because, conservative news outlets contributed to those votes as a result of not covering the negatives of McCain, while criticizing the other candidates running in the primary.
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Re: Where is the apology to conservatives over McCain?
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2013, 02:20:00 pm »
Quote from: Politics4us on October 17, 2013, 02:17:30 pm
Because, conservative news outlets contributed to those votes as a result of not covering the negatives of McCain, while criticizing the other candidates running in the primary.

That's funny.  McCain got trashed on a regular basis, as I remember. 

Who were you supporting?  I liked Rudy Guiliani, but he waited too late to get into the primaries.  Fred Thompson never materialized.  Mitt Romney was strong, but he dropped out rather than fight McCain and weaken him.

Sometimes our guy wins, sometimes he loses.
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Re: Where is the apology to conservatives over McCain?
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2013, 02:21:25 pm »
Quote from: Politics4us on October 17, 2013, 02:17:30 pm
Because, conservative news outlets contributed to those votes as a result of not covering the negatives of McCain, while criticizing the other candidates running in the primary.

When the primary election is rigged to produce a particular outcome from the outset the votes are only for show!
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Re: Where is the apology to conservatives over McCain?
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2013, 02:23:25 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on October 17, 2013, 02:21:25 pm
When the primary election is rigged to produce a particular outcome from the outset the votes are only for show!

Primaries are not rigged. Voters vote in primaries.

Remember in 2008 when everyone thought Fred Thompson was inevitable?
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Re: Where is the apology to conservatives over McCain?
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2013, 02:26:55 pm »
Quote from: sinkspur on October 17, 2013, 02:23:25 pm
Primaries are not rigged. Voters vote in primaries.

Remember in 2008 when everyone thought Fred Thompson was inevitable?

You are CRAZY! Begone!
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Re: Where is the apology to conservatives over McCain?
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2013, 03:42:28 pm »
Quote from: sinkspur on October 17, 2013, 02:20:00 pm
That's funny.  McCain got trashed on a regular basis, as I remember. 

Who were you supporting?  I liked Rudy Guiliani, but he waited too late to get into the primaries.  Fred Thompson never materialized.  Mitt Romney was strong, but he dropped out rather than fight McCain and weaken him.

Sometimes our guy wins, sometimes he loses.

Fox News, Wall St. Journal, and the former elected Republicans?
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Re: Where is the apology to conservatives over McCain?
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2013, 03:47:29 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on October 17, 2013, 02:26:55 pm
You are CRAZY! Begone!

Be nice.  If you don't like my posts, put me on ignore.

I ain't going ANYWHERE, pal.
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Re: Where is the apology to conservatives over McCain?
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2013, 03:49:19 pm »
Quote from: Politics4us on October 17, 2013, 03:42:28 pm
Fox News, Wall St. Journal, and the former elected Republicans?

THey didn't criticize McCain?  Hannity did, I remember, and even the WSJ was critical of him. 

Why would former elected Republicans criticize a  potential nominee?  That's nuts.
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Re: Where is the apology to conservatives over McCain?
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2013, 04:47:39 pm »
Quote from: sinkspur on October 17, 2013, 03:49:19 pm
THey didn't criticize McCain?  Hannity did, I remember, and even the WSJ was critical of him. 

Why would former elected Republicans criticize a  potential nominee?  That's nuts.

Hannity isn't the news. WSJ wasn't critical of him. I said former republicans went on to endorse him, and lectured McCain's critics.
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Re: Where is the apology to conservatives over McCain?
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2013, 07:10:05 pm »
Anyone who does not realize Fox settles on a candidate hasn't been paying attention.  They loved Rudy until he was a candidate.. then if he wanted them to cover him he had to go make a speech somewhere.  Same with Rick Perry v Romney.  Fox spent four years promoting Romney, thy did not want to give Perry the time of day when he was leading and were all over his gaffe.  Now Fox has been pushing Christie..nuff said...
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Re: Where is the apology to conservatives over McCain?
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2013, 07:34:15 pm »
Perry made two huge mistakes.

He had back surgery. I don't care how tough you are, meds and pain will make you hazy when you speak, and the debate format - standing - did him no favors.

He didn't play to his strengths. He isn't a debater, though he can hold his own. He is a retail politician, best at off the cuff talk and  meet and greets. He's no Newt. That guy can turn a simple question into a thesis instantly. Perry is more the sort of guy you'd like to sit down and have a beer with.
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Re: Where is the apology to conservatives over McCain?
« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2013, 07:38:01 pm »
Quote from: EC on October 17, 2013, 07:34:15 pm
Perry made two huge mistakes.

He had back surgery. I don't care how tough you are, meds and pain will make you hazy when you speak, and the debate format - standing - did him no favors.

He didn't play to his strengths. He isn't a debater, though he can hold his own. He is a retail politician, best at off the cuff talk and  meet and greets. He's no Newt. That guy can turn a simple question into a thesis instantly. Perry is more the sort of guy you'd like to sit down and have a beer with.

I agree with what you said but he made an even bigger mistake which is to allow his hired political advisers to talk him out of standing on those things he REALLY believes and wrote about in his book!


"The statists believe in a powerful, activist central government that advances a radical secular agenda in the name of compassion. The hide behind misguided notions of empathy and push token talking points about fighting for the little guy, all the while empowering the federal government to coercively and blatantly undermine state-, local-, and self-governance.” pg. 320

“The truth is, I don’t care what party the statist is in. The fact of the matter is, it is the statist, and those who support or enable him, who is the problem. For too long he has undermined this country by empowering the national government at the expense of liberty. An America defined by the statist in Washington is an America doomed to fail.”  pg. 338

(both quotes from Perry, Rick; Newt Gingrich (2010-11-15). Fed Up!: Our Fight to Save America from Washington.

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Re: Where is the apology to conservatives over McCain?
« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2013, 07:45:38 pm »
I'll cut him some slack on his advisers.

It has been the same team for years. He owes them. I actually approve of that. A guy who stands by his team.
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Re: Where is the apology to conservatives over McCain?
« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2013, 08:02:54 pm »
I ain't going ANYWHERE, pal.

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