China retaliates with 34% tariffs on US imports

[Wingnut]

Over the wires...  per FBN/ White House

China has balked....   104% tariffs on China now in effect.  FBN punditry saying Pharma shortages will be the most pressing issue.

Why we allowed China to manufacture are drugs is something that never should have happened.  Blame big Phama, not Trump for this shit.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Over the wires...  per FBN/ White House

China has balked....   104% tariffs on China now in effect.  FBN punditry saying Pharma shortages will be the most pressing issue.

China will capitulate.

If China cannot get into this country and sell us goods, how can it continue to steal from us our technology?  It must be here to continue its brand of thievery it has perfected over the years.

[Timber Rattler]

Why we allowed China to manufacture are drugs is something that never should have happened.  Blame big Phama, not Trump for this shit.

They should have never been allowed to manufacture any of our electronics or automotive products either.  That goes back to the Clintons and their ChiCom pal Johnny Huang.

https://www.nytimes.com/1997/07/10/us/clinton-gives-few-details-on-recommending-huang.html

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

They should have never been allowed to manufacture any of our electronics or automotive products either.  That goes back to the Clintons and their ChiCom pal Johnny Huang.

https://www.nytimes.com/1997/07/10/us/clinton-gives-few-details-on-recommending-huang.html

Especially their IT products who knows what crap those are hiding.

[Kamaji]

Especially their IT products who knows what crap those are hiding.

[Bigun]

They should have never been allowed to manufacture any of our electronics or automotive products either.  That goes back to the Clintons and their ChiCom pal Johnny Huang.

https://www.nytimes.com/1997/07/10/us/clinton-gives-few-details-on-recommending-huang.html

I suspect that G. H. W. Bush played a large role in it as well.

[roamer_1]

Especially their IT products who knows what crap those are hiding.

ANYBODY can know. EEPROMS ain't rocket science. Neither is de-compiling software.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

ANYBODY can know. EEPROMS ain't rocket science. Neither is de-compiling software.

No, not there, there was a case with I think Trend micro boards, there was a hidden chip manufactured between the board platters.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-hack-how-china-used-a-tiny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies?embedded-checkout=true

[IsailedawayfromFR]

I suspect that G. H. W. Bush played a large role in it as well.

no doubt as he was the most prominent early US globalist

[mystery-ak]

China Strikes Back at Trump with Immediate 84% Tariffs on U.S. Goods

China is slapping 84 percent tariffs on U.S. goods from Thursday, ramping the impost up from the 34 percent as previously announced, its finance ministry said on Wednesday.

https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2025/04/09/china-strikes-back-at-trump-with-immediate-84-tariffs-on-u-s-goods/

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/tecas2000/status/1909552510664130787

[catfish1957]

China Strikes Back at Trump with Immediate 84% Tariffs on U.S. Goods

China is slapping 84 percent tariffs on U.S. goods from Thursday, ramping the impost up from the 34 percent as previously announced, its finance ministry said on Wednesday.

https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2025/04/09/china-strikes-back-at-trump-with-immediate-84-tariffs-on-u-s-goods/

Not a 100% on my predictions, but possibly in a week, the main topic of discussions isn't going to be tariffs....  it might be embargoes.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Not a 100% on my predictions, but possibly in a week, the main topic of discussions isn't going to be tariffs....  it might be embargoes.

Can Trump unilaterally push embargos? That's pretty nuts if true. That power should definitely be relegated to Congress if it's not already.

[catfish1957]

Can Trump unilaterally push embargos? That's pretty nuts if true. That power should definitely be relegated to Congress if it's not already.

I was thinking more along lines of the Chinese imposing critical embargos on things like pharma, and rare earth metals. 

Our side?  Outside agricultural, we don't have that many levers, especially since the trade imbalance is huge anyway.

[Bigun]

I was thinking more along lines of the Chinese imposing critical embargos on things like pharma, and rare earth metals. 

Our side?  Outside agricultural, we don't have that many levers, especially since the trade imbalance is huge anyway.

If China can no longer send its junk here, where will they send it? Mars?

[catfish1957]

If China can no longer send its junk here, where will they send it? Mars?

No argument there, where the problem is, is in the two items I highlighted.  We are talking critical medications, raw earth  materials to make high tech instrumentation and electronics in general.

It is downright criminal that our government  allowed pharma to be sent there.  If that isn't critical infrastructure, I don't know what is.

[Bigun]

No argument there, where the problem is, is in the two items I highlighted.  We are talking critical medications, raw earth  materials to make high tech instrumentation and electronics in general.

It is downright criminal that our government  allowed pharma to be sent there.  If that isn't critical infrastructure, I don't know what is.

100% agree! We have rare earths right here in the good ole USA, we just need the government to allow us to get them.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

100% agree! We have rare earths right here in the good ole USA, we just need the government to allow us to get them.

We should really grab that asteroid in space with the huge supply of REM's.

[Free Vulcan]

I was thinking more along lines of the Chinese imposing critical embargos on things like pharma, and rare earth metals. 

Our side?  Outside agricultural, we don't have that many levers, especially since the trade imbalance is huge anyway.

Alot though of the most basic commodities are still made here. China makes alot of useless trinkets, things that are not often bought, and things that can be bought from other countries.

What I see is that those countries that want to play ball are going to see a ramp up in production, leaving China out of the loop.

[catfish1957]

100% agree! We have rare earths right here in the good ole USA, we just need the government to allow us to get them.

Talk about it.   With a pending 100+% tariff, and a potential embargo,  Trump needs to do an emergency EO, to bypass permitting, and start mining construction and operations  ASAP.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Talk about it.   With a pending 100+% tariff, and a potential embargo,  Trump needs to do an emergency EO, to bypass permitting, and start mining construction and operations  ASAP.

I think he did do that with coal.

[Bigun]

Alot though of the most basic commodities are still made here. China makes alot of useless trinkets, things that are not often bought, and things that can be bought from other countries.

What I see is that those countries that want to play ball are going to see a ramp up in production, leaving China out of the loop.

 

[catfish1957]

Alot though of the most basic commodities are still made here. China makes alot of useless trinkets, things that are not often bought, and things that can be bought from other countries.

What I see is that those countries that want to play ball are going to see a ramp up in production, leaving China out of the loop.

I agree.  I said yesterday that we have a couple of decades of inherent junk that has accumulated in this country, that could easily facilitate a thrift shop economy for a decade easily.  It's the rare earth minerals, and pharma that we have to focus on. And Trump needs to take a Manhattan Project approach to getting ourselves out of reliance of others on these

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

I agree.  I said yesterday that we have a couple of decades of inherent junk that has accumulated in this country, that could easily facilitate a thrift shop economy for a decade easily.  It's the rare earth minerals, and pharma that we have to focus on. And Trump needs to take a Manhattan Project approach to getting ourselves out of reliance of others on these

@roamer_1 's point is valid though on that point, no way he can do that in 4 years.

[Free Vulcan]

It's the rare earth minerals, and pharma that we have to focus on.

That definitely is where we are vulnerable, though both are solvable if the political will is there.

If.

[Bigun]

That definitely is where we are vulnerable, though both are solvable if the political will is there.

If.

 

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

I keep telling you guys we should go grab this asteroid.

[catfish1957]

Hope some folks left at USDA are left to help get the farmers some Plan "B" diversion for Soybean sales.  Outside subsidies.
Our farms are projected to have a tough year. 

[roamer_1]

Alot though of the most basic commodities are still made here.

A whole lot are not. And more than basic commodities are involved.

China makes alot of useless trinkets, things that are not often bought, and things that can be bought from other countries.

True, but not true. YES they make a whole lot of useless crap - But they also make a whole lot of the good crap that makes your things go. You'd be hard pressed to take 'Made in China' out of your house.

What I see is that those countries that want to play ball are going to see a ramp up in production, leaving China out of the loop.

Fine. That won't happen RIGHT NOW. That will happen two years from now. And won't happen at all in several areas of interest - Electronics being one of them.

[Right_in_Virginia]

If China can no longer send its junk here, where will they send it? Mars?

Give it a shot Xi .....

[DB]

ANYBODY can know. EEPROMS ain't rocket science. Neither is de-compiling software.

Hardware is where the espionage hides...

[Stevensr123]

Go look at the trump store. Vast majority is made in CHINA. He is a massive hypocrite

[Timber Rattler]

Go look at the trump store. Vast majority is made in CHINA. He is a massive hypocrite

Yep.  And those red MAGA hats too.

[roamer_1]

Hardware is where the espionage hides...

Hardware is hard put without software - especially if it is phoning home encrypted... without detection from sniffers. It requires a port, and any decent router will log that. Any decent sniff would detect that.

Far easier to obfuscate at the soft level or driver level... phoning home because updates... obfuscation and/or encrypted to protect intellectual work... But then the risk is what can be found by a decompiler in the hands of even a mid-level geek like me...

Any way you play, it is pretty hard to hide from a fixed point. From within a router, and very probably from within a domain.