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Offline the OlLine Rebel

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Tell that to the thousands of babies alive today that would have been killed in the womb.

That’s great, and I never thought it would even be broached.

But Trump got LUCKY.  In 4 years he got the great luck to be able to bring 3 conservatives to the SC.  No matter what many Republicans think of them, calling them RINOs etc, they were bottom line Republican Party.  And they helped overturn Roe.

Additionally, what was the chance that an anti-Roe case would come up so soon at that time, albeit under Biden?

Trump got majorly lucky to have this all congeal.
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I was just saying that Trump doing nothing was IMO, hyperbole. He made some real gains. Your other point is something I agree with, yes maybe another GOP would have given us the same, it's hard to say. Trump flipped states in 2016 that, at the time, I thought were permanently in Dem hands. On the other hand, in his 4 years of actual governance I think another candidate would've brought more people into our tent. It's Trump's style IMO and you either love it or hate it, and most people hated it. Reagan was warm, humorous, optimistic, grandfatherly, likable. See the difference?

Yes I do. And I readily admit to some wee gain. It is that the gain is paltry by comparison.
I often liken it to being satisfied by the candy thrown by the clown at the front of the parade - Tastes so good, but gone in half an hour. That is not sustenance. Far from it.

But for the moment, whether what little sustenance, the point of departure is the satisfaction.

That's the thing. This satisfies you?
This little bit of gain under an avalanche of loss?
That's alright?
You want more of that?

I think the Republican electorate has been well trained to demand nothing and be happy with increment. Paltry gruel... and they have learned to like it.

Because the gain is incidental at best, and especially when measured against the insufferable losses in fiscal conservatism and libertarianism - suffered by the very same hand.

It is unconscionable to vote for more of that.

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I was just saying that Trump doing nothing was IMO, hyperbole. He made some real gains. Your other point is something I agree with, yes maybe another GOP would have given us the same, it's hard to say. Trump flipped states in 2016 that, at the time, I thought were permanently in Dem hands. On the other hand, in his 4 years of actual governance I think another candidate would've brought more people into our tent. It's Trump's style IMO and you either love it or hate it, and most people hated it. Reagan was warm, humorous, optimistic, grandfatherly, likable. See the difference?

Yes, huge difference.  Also Reagan wasn’t a blowhard braggart.  Usually of things that are not true, to boot.  He was much more humble,

And he got it done.  Despite mostly Dem Congress too.  Trump couldn’t even get it done with Congress Republican control.
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Tell that to the thousands of babies alive today that would have been killed in the womb.

Again, no real gain. None.

Abortion is a mainstay for me. It is one of the first things that brought me inexorably rightward.

But overturning Roe did nothing on balance. Not to abortion.  It certainly fixed a bad decision, and may have removed a defined federal right to abortion (which is certainly in error). I am all for that.

But it did nothing real or abiding to remove abortion. The various states that have come out strong against abortion are offset by other states, right next door that offer abortion for free.
At best it has been made a bit inconvenient.

But I doubt there is very much geography where a 250 mile journey and an overnight stay wouldn't get an abortion done anyway.

So on balance, little has changed... As predicted, by the way.

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MAGA's are against vaccine mandates, but have no issue with Nanny Government getting into your mothers', sisters', daughters', and wives' lady business.

"Political correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it’s entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." - Alan Simpson, Frontline Video Interview

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It'd be nice to have a candidate who actually brings people "into our fold" so to speak. No real progress will happen without that happening. Always Trumpers will point to some gains in black/hispanic men, but I think that's outweighed by people turned off by his style.

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Yup. That is one notch in his favor. If someone says they’re voting for Trump because of that issue alone, I can understand that reasoning
Half a million barrels of oil a day passing through the Dakota Access Pipeline is another. Trump was instrumental in stopping the crap that had held the project up.
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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We know the budget is wrecked, and I do not believe either party has the will to do anything about it.
I will vote for Trump for 2 reasons, and I think they are good ones.

Domestic Energy Production.
Immigration.

Franky, I don think either party cares about these 2 issues either.

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Heh...
Gettin' a little presumptuous, are we not, Chris...?

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It'd be nice to have a candidate who actually brings people "into our fold" so to speak. No real progress will happen without that happening. Always Trumpers will point to some gains in black/hispanic men, but I think that's outweighed by people turned off by his style.
Show them what you offer, and let them decide. There is no other way to do it. Like a democatic (constitutional) Republic, you can't force people to have that level of freedom and engagement. It's why 'exporting democracy' hasn't worked. As soon as the troops leave, they revert. It's something that people have to want to have or they won't ...
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and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed
If nothing else, the Founders were well acquainted with human nature.
How God must weep at humans' folly! Stand fast! God knows what he is doing!
Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C S Lewis