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The Covid Hoax
« on: January 25, 2025, 08:34:08 pm »
"The greatest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public," says this medical doctor, an authority.
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Re: The Covid Hoax
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2025, 08:37:04 pm »
I heard it wasn't that bad of a flu
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Re: The Covid Hoax
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2025, 09:08:52 pm »
I heard it wasn't that bad of a flu

Two friends got it a year before I did.  They both said it was nothing.  Then my wife and I got it and it was like any other flu.
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Re: The Covid Hoax
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2025, 10:41:40 am »
It's a >4 year old hoax. Hodkinson is a doctor, but his other claimed credential were phony or unverifiable (e.g. the unnamed biotech company of which he claims to be a CEO; he also claims his company profits from Covid tests he claims are fraudulent; he's the CEO of a company profiteering from fraud?!). More info about this company, from https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-9765563716 :

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Hodkinson said that he was CEO of a biotechnology company in North Carolina. He is listed as the executive chairman of MutantDX, which is based in Greensboro, North Carolina. According to the license on North Carolina’s secretary of state’s website, the business is active. However, the address listed on the license leads to a condominium complex.

Of course, if you want to well-poison a source you don't want to be true, you can accept the factoid that Hodgkinson was CEO of a fraudulent medical porduct, ala Snake Oil Salesman Mercola , instead of his "company" being an empty shell, have fun with that.

I had Covid in January 2021. It put me in the hospital for 13 days, and it took me another month or two to regain my stamina, courtesy of the temporary damage done to my lungs. At the same time, two family members had very mild and moderate cases. The effects in 2021 varied widely, many did die from it or from Covid exacerbating their existing medical problems.

Before anyone goes there, I was ineligible (to young, :silly: ) to receive The Vaccine in January 2021, and the family members had not been vaccinated, either.
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If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"?

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Re: The Covid Hoax
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2025, 10:52:58 am »
I heard it wasn't that bad of a flu

It WAS the "flu".  There were virtually no deaths from the "flu" in 2020 according to graphs I've seen.
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Re: The Covid Hoax
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2025, 11:19:32 am »
It WAS the "flu".  There were virtually no deaths from the "flu" in 2020 according to graphs I've seen.

1. In the real world, influenza viruses and coronaviruses are very different virus types, and multiple test types can discern the difference.

2. In the real world, influenza deaths in the US in 2019-2020 were not zero, https://www.statista.com/statistics/1124915/flu-deaths-number-us/ .
I am not and never have been a leftist.

If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"?

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Re: The Covid Hoax
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2025, 11:30:50 am »
Shills are gonna shill, on both sides of the debate.

The fact that billions of people were convinced to get the shots because they believed their governments had their best interests at heart demonstrates the power of government and media produced hysteria.

And then, certain people who were duped, simply cannot accept that those who question and challenge authority at every turn may be right. Because they're embarrassed for having been duped and cannot reconcile. They continually attempt to undermine opposite points of view.
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Re: The Covid Hoax
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2025, 12:42:28 pm »
BLUF: "And the worst part of all was the effect of shutting down schools on America's school kids. Here's how Turley put it:

    One of the most lasting costs was born by our children who have shown both educational and psychological harm from the shutting down of schools. The study confirms what dissenters said all along: there is no evidence that this was necessary or had any benefit to society.

And there it is (was).

Yet the Biden-Harris administration and the catastrophizers in the left-wing media perpetrated the greatest hoax in our lifetime — other than the White House and its water carriers in the media feverishly working to cover up Biden's steady cognitive decline — doing their best to pull the wool over the eyes of the American people.

Until it all fell apart.

https://redstate.com/mike_miller/2025/01/26/another-covid-lie-bites-the-dust-as-study-finds-no-correlation-between-closing-schools-and-transmission-n2184820
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Re: The Covid Hoax
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2025, 12:45:54 pm »
1. In the real world, influenza viruses and coronaviruses are very different virus types, and multiple test types can discern the difference.

2. In the real world, influenza deaths in the US in 2019-2020 were not zero, https://www.statista.com/statistics/1124915/flu-deaths-number-us/ .

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I would love to see the number of flu deaths for the 2020-2021 flu season. But according to your chart there weren't any.
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Re: The Covid Hoax
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2025, 01:58:26 pm »
It's a >4 year old hoax. Hodkinson is a doctor, but his other claimed credential were phony or unverifiable (e.g. the unnamed biotech company of which he claims to be a CEO; he also claims his company profits from Covid tests he claims are fraudulent; he's the CEO of a company profiteering from fraud?!). More info about this company, from https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-9765563716 :

Of course, if you want to well-poison a source you don't want to be true, you can accept the factoid that Hodgkinson was CEO of a fraudulent medical porduct, ala Snake Oil Salesman Mercola , instead of his "company" being an empty shell, have fun with that.

Yours is a response typical of Leftists, even as you have claimed not to be a Leftist. You don't challenge his statement trivializing Covid19 flu, but rather go after him personally.  Ad hominem attacks are a Leftist favorite, but they represent a logical fallacy.  If indeed it was so deadly, why are the flu deaths cited in your graph so low for 2019-2020?
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Re: The Covid Hoax
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2025, 02:14:22 pm »
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I would love to see the number of flu deaths for the 2020-2021 flu season. But according to your chart there weren't any.

1. That chart does not give data for 2020-2021, but that is very different from "there weren't any".

2. Covid was in the US in 2020, so there were influenza deaths while Covid was in the US.
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« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2025, 02:23:39 pm »
1. In the real world, influenza viruses and coronaviruses are very different virus types, and multiple test types can discern the difference.

2. In the real world, influenza deaths in the US in 2019-2020 were not zero, https://www.statista.com/statistics/1124915/flu-deaths-number-us/ .

I said "virtually" zero...compared to historical annual data.  Your graph bears me out!   happy77
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Re: The Covid Hoax
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2025, 02:32:55 pm »
Yours is a response typical of Leftists, even as you have claimed not to be a Leftist. You don't challenge his statement trivializing Covid19 flu, but rather go after him personally.  ...

1. Stick your idiot litmus tests ...

2. I challenged "his statement trivializing Covid19 flu", first, with my own experience, nearly two weeks in the hospital and the grossly obvious fact that hundreds of thousands died, of Covid. I challenged "his statement trivializing Covid19 flu", second, by pointing out the simple fact that influenza viruses are not coronaviruses, i.e. with a basic fact.

3. Hodkinson is making claims well outside of and beyond his specialty. That is simple fact, not ad hominem. Hodkinson himself claimed his company sold medical tests he claimed are worthless, OTOH, AP revealed his company's registered business address is a condo complex. So, seller of medical fraud or phony corporate shell, your choice, but at least one of the alternatives is fact, not ad hominem.

4. Speaking of ad hominem attacks, stop whining about what you yourself have done, aimed at me, multiple times.

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I am not and never have been a leftist.

If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"?

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Re: The Covid Hoax
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2025, 02:47:28 pm »
1. Stick your idiot litmus tests ...

2. I challenged "his statement trivializing Covid19 flu", first, with my own experience, nearly two weeks in the hospital and the grossly obvious fact that hundreds of thousands died, of Covid. I challenged "his statement trivializing Covid19 flu", second, by pointing out the simple fact that influenza viruses are not coronaviruses, i.e. with a basic fact.

3. Hodkinson is making claims well outside of and beyond his specialty. That is simple fact, not ad hominem. Hodkinson himself claimed his company sold medical tests he claimed are worthless, OTOH, AP revealed his company's registered business address is a condo complex. So, seller of medical fraud or phony corporate shell, your choice, but at least one of the alternatives is fact, not ad hominem.

4. Speaking of ad hominem attacks, stop whining about what you yourself have done, aimed at me, multiple times.

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@SZonian, I have worked in hardware electronics for nearly 50 years and have no investments in anything medical. I'm "shilling" nothing. If the facts I post inconvenience what you - or anyone else - want to believe, that is not my problem.
@PeteS in CA,  Does the shoe fit?  :pondering: Quite a defensive posture about anything that even gives the appearance of undermining the gov't and big pharma narrative. Your "facts" are just as valid as most of those on the other side simply because those "facts" are compromised due to their corrupted gov't, medical, and "scientific" sources. I'm saying that NOTHING should be trusted. Yet, here we are. Still tilting at windmills.  :whistle:
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« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2025, 02:50:45 pm »
Shills are gonna shill, on both sides of the debate.

The fact that billions of people were convinced to get the shots because they believed their governments had their best interests at heart demonstrates the power of government and media produced hysteria.

And then, certain people who were duped, simply cannot accept that those who question and challenge authority at every turn may be right. Because they're embarrassed for having been duped and cannot reconcile. They continually attempt to undermine opposite points of view.

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« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2025, 02:53:11 pm »
BLUF: "And the worst part of all was the effect of shutting down schools on America's school kids. Here's how Turley put it:

    One of the most lasting costs was born by our children who have shown both educational and psychological harm from the shutting down of schools. The study confirms what dissenters said all along: there is no evidence that this was necessary or had any benefit to society.

And there it is (was).

Yet the Biden-Harris administration and the catastrophizers in the left-wing media perpetrated the greatest hoax in our lifetime — other than the White House and its water carriers in the media feverishly working to cover up Biden's steady cognitive decline — doing their best to pull the wool over the eyes of the American people.

Until it all fell apart.

https://redstate.com/mike_miller/2025/01/26/another-covid-lie-bites-the-dust-as-study-finds-no-correlation-between-closing-schools-and-transmission-n2184820

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« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2025, 03:06:04 pm »
Ain't buying it. Nope. Not a damn bit. When they start effing with the stats the number of covid deaths is far far lower than proclaimed.
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« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2025, 03:41:34 pm »
1. Stick your idiot litmus tests ...

2. I challenged "his statement trivializing Covid19 flu", first, with my own experience, nearly two weeks in the hospital and the grossly obvious fact that hundreds of thousands died, of Covid. I challenged "his statement trivializing Covid19 flu", second, by pointing out the simple fact that influenza viruses are not coronaviruses, i.e. with a basic fact.

3. Hodkinson is making claims well outside of and beyond his specialty. That is simple fact, not ad hominem. Hodkinson himself claimed his company sold medical tests he claimed are worthless, OTOH, AP revealed his company's registered business address is a condo complex. So, seller of medical fraud or phony corporate shell, your choice, but at least one of the alternatives is fact, not ad hominem.

4. Speaking of ad hominem attacks, stop whining about what you yourself have done, aimed at me, multiple times.

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@SZonian, I have worked in hardware electronics for nearly 50 years and have no investments in anything medical. I'm "shilling" nothing. If the facts I post inconvenience what you - or anyone else - want to believe, that is not my problem.
Fact is, I got COVID. LIke an idiot, I didn't recognize it until I got some significant congestion in my lungs, but by virtue of having survived pneumonia in '02, was very good at coughing that up. I did go to the urgent care (what a zoo) was tested and came out positive for COVID. I had Ivermectin ("horse paste"--same dose per pound as for humans), I had zinc supplements and the benefit of a diet high in red meat. The doctor prescribed Doxycycline. Despite two comorbidities and being over 60, I followed the IVM/Doxycycline/Zinc protocol supplemented with about 2000mg Vitamin C daily. I was reasonably well in a week, and back up to speed in two (yes, there is a lingering pulmonary aftereffect, but for me it was short.)
However, to whatever you want to credit that, be it individual variation or the regimen I took, is up to you. For me, it worked, and I was back up and running at full speed in two weeks, despite the comorbidities and allowing the bug to advance a day or two more than I should have.
I never got any COVID shots.
I won't.
My biggest issue with the shots is not so much the shots themselves, although there are problems depending on the lot with adverse reactions which have been documented.
My issue is that in order to maintain the EUA to distribute the shots, sometimes via stiff-arm tactics, the viable treatments were 'discredited' using official means, and shots of questionable efficacy and safety were administered on a global basis with little testing while effective treatments were suppressed in order to make the widespread distribution of the shots a possibility, and an economic multibillion dollar boon for their purveyors and those holding even fractional royalty interests, despite the revelation that the shots did not prevent COVID.
Some people got very rich, others died, because of this.

While I was disinclined to trust government (as anyone should be--'eternal vigilance' and all that), the situation has the appearance of a 'private/public partnership' to administer useless meds to the world at a huge profit, enforced by government entities which pushed the envelope of totalitarian edicts about as far as they could, to the great detriment of the populations those government officials serve, for possible personal pecuniary gain.

Research I had done exposed the lies early on, those links were provided, and went to peer reviewed publications, not some website you might regard as quackery. Even so, if one chased down the sources the websites referenced that  you consider quacks or snake oil salesmen, often those eventually led to peer reviewed papers that had been summarized. So, when I found those, I gave those links, too.

I read the studies done to 'debunk' treatment with IVM or HCQ, and they only used part of the regimen, issuing either the ionophore or the ionophore and antibiotic, but never (as in not once) the zinc supplementation. The ionophore was part of the regimen to get the zinc into the cells to disrupt viral replication, as had been discovered in 2005 in studies of SARS, effective in vitro and in vivo. Yeah,that link was provided too.

It was the equivalent of sending empty landing craft to the beach in an invasion--The studies were constructed to show failure of HCQ and IVM to benefit patients, and were conducted on admitted and ICU (later stage) patients, not as an early onset regimen as intended, when it would stop the most damage. One study even administered lethal doss of Chloroquine to patients in Brazil, and when the patients died of Chloroquine toxicity, CNN shifted gears from talking about HCQ to talking about the Chloroquine study (as if they were the same drug), but only said that they had to stop because the patients were dying, not that they'd been administered 12,000+ mg of a long half-life drug in a week, with an LD50 of 3500mg.
I could go on, but I'd be surprised if you've even read this far.
Media/Government entities/the Medical Establishment/ and the Pharma Companies colluded in a massive disinformation campaign, made effective drugs difficult to obtain (even people taking HCQ for RA or Lupus had difficulty obtaining the medication) and while placing the global population at risk, made a fortune.

 I would not trust anything from the lot of them.

If I go to a doctor, I usually have done my homework and know what is wrong with me when I walk in. I just need them to write the note that lets me get what I need to fight it, or someone to do the lab work to get more data.

Take a serious look at what was done--through the media, the government, the Medical Industry, and the Pharmaceutical Companies. It stinks on ice.
Dig deeper, even if you doubt. Even Mercola won't just pull something out of his hindparts--there is a source, somewhere, those articles are based on, and when the 'pop' sites come up with something, I am one to dig back to see if the source is valid scientifically accurate, and whether it says what they say it says.

Summary dismissal is not good science, either.
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Re: The Covid Hoax
« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2025, 04:29:19 pm »
@PeteS in CA,  Does the shoe fit?  :pondering: Quite a defensive posture about anything that even gives the appearance of undermining the gov't and big pharma narrative. Your "facts" are just as valid as most of those on the other side simply because those "facts" are compromised due to their corrupted gov't, medical, and "scientific" sources. I'm saying that NOTHING should be trusted. Yet, here we are. Still tilting at windmills.  :whistle:

No it doesn’t fit.

I’m just pointing out facts. I facts align with “the gov't and big pharma narrative” they are still facts, even when they inconvenience what you want to believe true.

Don’t try the, “My facts are my facts, and your facts are your facts,” BS. E.G., it’s simply a fact that coronaviruses are not influenza viruses, even if that inconveniences the Covid-is-just-the-flu nonsense.

I do thank you for illustrating the Poisoning the Well fallacy via your I-Trust-Nothing statement. I guess that’s the consequence of reality contradicting what you want to believe true.
I am not and never have been a leftist.

If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"?

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« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2025, 05:35:45 pm »
Follow the money! ALWAYS follow the money!

The Covid pandemic drives Pfizer’s 2022 revenue to a record $100 billion

Spencer Kimball  |  Jan 31 2023  |  10:41 AM EST


$56 billion for a jab and a drug -  both scientifically proven not to work.
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Re: The Covid Hoax
« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2025, 06:09:35 pm »
The Covid pandemic drives Pfizer’s 2022 revenue to a record $100 billion

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$56 billion for a jab and a drug -  both scientifically proven not to work.
Plenty of incentive to suppress what does work to maintain an EUA that makes that revenue possible. Recall people were dismissed for not getting the shots, regardless of how well known and respected they were in their fields. Once locked out, it's easy for people who wouldn't make it through a basic anatomy class to decry them as charlatans and shout them down, especially when they have been deplatformed (read: censored).

For anyone who doesn't think the whole discussion can be hijacked by certain interests, just look at the "climate" issue. Money talks, and bullshit dances with the stars.
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Re: The Covid Hoax
« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2025, 06:50:25 pm »
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Re: The Covid Hoax
« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2025, 07:03:08 pm »
Fact is, I got COVID. LIke an idiot, I didn't recognize it until I got some significant congestion in my lungs, but by virtue of having survived pneumonia in '02, was very good at coughing that up. I did go to the urgent care (what a zoo) was tested and came out positive for COVID. I had Ivermectin ("horse paste"--same dose per pound as for humans), I had zinc supplements and the benefit of a diet high in red meat. The doctor prescribed Doxycycline. Despite two comorbidities and being over 60, I followed the IVM/Doxycycline/Zinc protocol supplemented with about 2000mg Vitamin C daily. I was reasonably well in a week, and back up to speed in two (yes, there is a lingering pulmonary aftereffect, but for me it was short.)
However, to whatever you want to credit that, be it individual variation or the regimen I took, is up to you. For me, it worked, and I was back up and running at full speed in two weeks, despite the comorbidities and allowing the bug to advance a day or two more than I should have.
I never got any COVID shots.
I won't.
My biggest issue with the shots is not so much the shots themselves, although there are problems depending on the lot with adverse reactions which have been documented.
My issue is that in order to maintain the EUA to distribute the shots, sometimes via stiff-arm tactics, the viable treatments were 'discredited' using official means, and shots of questionable efficacy and safety were administered on a global basis with little testing while effective treatments were suppressed in order to make the widespread distribution of the shots a possibility, and an economic multibillion dollar boon for their purveyors and those holding even fractional royalty interests, despite the revelation that the shots did not prevent COVID.
Some people got very rich, others died, because of this.

While I was disinclined to trust government (as anyone should be--'eternal vigilance' and all that), the situation has the appearance of a 'private/public partnership' to administer useless meds to the world at a huge profit, enforced by government entities which pushed the envelope of totalitarian edicts about as far as they could, to the great detriment of the populations those government officials serve, for possible personal pecuniary gain.

Research I had done exposed the lies early on, those links were provided, and went to peer reviewed publications, not some website you might regard as quackery. Even so, if one chased down the sources the websites referenced that  you consider quacks or snake oil salesmen, often those eventually led to peer reviewed papers that had been summarized. So, when I found those, I gave those links, too.

I read the studies done to 'debunk' treatment with IVM or HCQ, and they only used part of the regimen, issuing either the ionophore or the ionophore and antibiotic, but never (as in not once) the zinc supplementation. The ionophore was part of the regimen to get the zinc into the cells to disrupt viral replication, as had been discovered in 2005 in studies of SARS, effective in vitro and in vivo. Yeah,that link was provided too.

It was the equivalent of sending empty landing craft to the beach in an invasion--The studies were constructed to show failure of HCQ and IVM to benefit patients, and were conducted on admitted and ICU (later stage) patients, not as an early onset regimen as intended, when it would stop the most damage. One study even administered lethal doss of Chloroquine to patients in Brazil, and when the patients died of Chloroquine toxicity, CNN shifted gears from talking about HCQ to talking about the Chloroquine study (as if they were the same drug), but only said that they had to stop because the patients were dying, not that they'd been administered 12,000+ mg of a long half-life drug in a week, with an LD50 of 3500mg.
I could go on, but I'd be surprised if you've even read this far.
Media/Government entities/the Medical Establishment/ and the Pharma Companies colluded in a massive disinformation campaign, made effective drugs difficult to obtain (even people taking HCQ for RA or Lupus had difficulty obtaining the medication) and while placing the global population at risk, made a fortune.

 I would not trust anything from the lot of them.

If I go to a doctor, I usually have done my homework and know what is wrong with me when I walk in. I just need them to write the note that lets me get what I need to fight it, or someone to do the lab work to get more data.

Take a serious look at what was done--through the media, the government, the Medical Industry, and the Pharmaceutical Companies. It stinks on ice.
Dig deeper, even if you doubt. Even Mercola won't just pull something out of his hindparts--there is a source, somewhere, those articles are based on, and when the 'pop' sites come up with something, I am one to dig back to see if the source is valid scientifically accurate, and whether it says what they say it says.

Summary dismissal is not good science, either.

Eternal Vigilance, indeed.

The thing that's weird to me... All us horse paste suckers out in the sticks... I don't know ANYBODY who died from covid. NONE.

Meanwhile my liberal sis and her clan... they know 10 ppl who died in her immediate circle, and four more that dropped dead since.

I know that's subjective information, but it holds up among my kin south of here too, comorbidities and all.

That difference is profound.

I also wonder if it isn't a basic immunity in folks that are around carrier animals (cows and dogs are Corona carriers, for sure).

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Re: The Covid Hoax
« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2025, 07:59:44 pm »
No it doesn’t fit.

I’m just pointing out facts. I facts align with “the gov't and big pharma narrative” they are still facts, even when they inconvenience what you want to believe true.

Don’t try the, “My facts are my facts, and your facts are your facts,” BS. E.G., it’s simply a fact that coronaviruses are not influenza viruses, even if that inconveniences the Covid-is-just-the-flu nonsense.

I do thank you for illustrating the Poisoning the Well fallacy via your I-Trust-Nothing statement. I guess that’s the consequence of reality contradicting what you want to believe true. Sheesh, they've been corrupted man. How can those "facts" be true, let alone "factual" if it's all cherry picked, nuanced, or even falsified to carry the narrative because they wanted to remain employed and in the good graces of their masters? Corrupted "doctors", and "scientists", censored doctors and scientists. Those are facts and they belie your attempt to paint them as fallacies.
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Re: The Covid Hoax
« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2025, 08:37:51 am »
@PeteS in CA,  Does the shoe fit?  :pondering: Quite a defensive posture about anything that even gives the appearance of undermining the gov't and big pharma narrative. Your "facts" are just as valid as most of those on the other side simply because those "facts" are compromised due to their corrupted gov't, medical, and "scientific" sources. I'm saying that NOTHING should be trusted. Yet, here we are. Still tilting at windmills.  :whistle:

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