NeverTrump Rallies to Defend Deep State, Dismiss Memo

[driftdiver]

Are you kidding me?  The President of the United States using the power of his office to cover up a burglary is orders of magnitude worse than a prosecutor who used uncorroborrated evidence of doubtful provenance in a warrant application and failed to cite all the details about the source’s potential bias?  The former goes to the heart of a banana republic; the latter is less catastrophic political corruption.

Yet in this case we have a President using his power to spy on presidential candidates and the President elect.


Not a big deal eh?

[XenaLee]

Yet in this case we have a President using his power to spy on presidential candidates and the President elect.


Not a big deal eh?

Dismissing this scandal as no big deal is absurd.

It always amazes me when somebody that is supposedly not a leftist takes on the leftist talking points and regurgitates them here on this conservative forum.   Normally, it would make one wonder.  But I don't have to.... now. 

[Oceander]

Has anybody ever served time for that?  It seems to me it would be hard to get a conviction when the victors of such elections end up with all the power to investigate and charge.  This case may be unique because the conspirators failed to successfully rig the election.

Doesn’t look like it.  It looks like a very difficult to apply statute that would generally only apply in the limited number of cases where there was a demonstrable quid pro quo.  The statute came up in 2010 in connection with Sestak’s primary contest with Spectre, but nothing ever came of it. 

[Oceander]

Yet in this case we have a President using his power to spy on presidential candidates and the President elect.


Not a big deal eh?

You have proof of that?  Because this memo doesn’t prove anything of the sort. 

[Lando Lincoln]

Keep in mind.... that the release of the Nunes Memo is just the first phase of this unveiling.  More to come.....

God, I hope so.

[Oceander]

Dismissing this scandal as no big deal is absurd.

It always amazes me when somebody that is supposedly not a leftist takes on the leftist talking points and regurgitates them here on this conservative forum.   Normally, it would make one wonder.  But I don't have to.... now. 

/snicker

Try putting down the delusional fantasies and coming to grips with reality. This memo is evidence of a lot of really bad stuff, political corruption at the highest levels, but not Watergate level corruption, and not treason.  If you can’t see that, then you’re wasting the opportunity this crisis presents.

[XenaLee]

/snicker

Try putting down the delusional fantasies and coming to grips with reality. This memo is evidence of a lot of really bad stuff, political corruption at the highest levels, but not Watergate level corruption, and not treason.  If you can’t see that, then you’re wasting the opportunity this crisis presents.

Hey... why snicker?  You've got those leftie talking points down so pat, I'm almost tempted to be convinced. 

Oh wait..... 

No, I'm not.

Nevermind.

[skeeter]

/snicker

Try putting down the delusional fantasies and coming to grips with reality. This memo is evidence of a lot of really bad stuff, political corruption at the highest levels, but not Watergate level corruption, and not treason.  If you can’t see that, then you’re wasting the opportunity this crisis presents.

Briefly describe for us 'Watergate level corruption'.

[Cyber Liberty]

You have proof of that?  Because this memo doesn’t prove anything of the sort.

If this memo was "proof" of anything we would never have seen it.  If we hear nothing more, then it fades into non-history as you suggest.  If it piques interest and is only the first of many revelations, then that's another matter.  At one time, the worst thing about Watergate was the guy named Jeb Magruder.  Nobody even cared about the burglars themselves, other than that they were Cuban ex-pats.

I'm not going to stick my neck out to declare it's either.  It's not time. 

[edpc]

I’m afraid some of you with visions of gray bars and orange jumpsuits dancing in your head will be sorely disappointed.  I will give Nunes and company credit for the anticipation and rollout plan.  The information is probably already available, but they’ll do the build up and release every couple months.  It’ll absolutely dominate the news cycles and drown out any Dem messages during the election year. 

[Oceander]

Briefly describe for us 'Watergate level corruption'.

Try the president of the United States using the power of the office to cover up crimes against private citizens. 

If you have proof - factual evidence, not your fever-driven paranoid fantasies - that this happened here, then you’d better come forward and present that evidence to the committee, because they don’t have it yet. 

[Oceander]

I’m afraid some of you with visions of gray bars and orange jumpsuits dancing in your head will be sorely disappointed.  I will give Nunes and company credit for the anticipation and rollout plan.  The information is probably already available, but they’ll do the build up and release every couple months.  It’ll absolutely dominate the news cycles and drown out any Dem messages during the election year. 

[Cyber Liberty]

I’m afraid some of you with visions of gray bars and orange jumpsuits dancing in your head will be sorely disappointed.  I will give Nunes and company credit for the anticipation and rollout plan.  The information is probably already available, but they’ll do the build up and release every couple months.  It’ll absolutely dominate the news cycles and drown out any Dem messages during the election year.

I think that's a safe prediction.  I also think it's way too early to fold up the tents and pack it out. 

We.  Just.  Don't.  Know.

[skeeter]

Try the president of the United States using the power of the office to cover up crimes against private citizens. 

If you have proof - factual evidence, not your fever-driven paranoid fantasies - that this happened here, then you’d better come forward and present that evidence to the committee, because they don’t have it yet.

My, so combative.

Well, its true they can't prove it yet, and may never to your satisfaction given whats needed is honest cooperation coming from the party that stands to be hurt by these revelations. Which, unlike in Watergate, we don't have here and probably never will.

But it doesn't take a fever driven mind to imagine something just like what you described happening in the Obama administration. Just a rudimentary understanding of what we know so far is true and the ability to extrapolate.

Since this is a discussion board and not a court of law we're allowed to do that here.

[Smokin Joe]

Bullshit right back atcha sweetie.  Watergate wasn’t just about a burglary, but about the president’s attempt to cover it up.

Correct. Perjury and obstruction of justice--ironically, what Clinton was gigged for, despite the media focus on sexual impropriety.

[Right_in_Virginia]

The facts revealed in the memo are certainly not near the scale of Watergate.

Guess again @Oceander

Robert Barnes‏
@Barnes_Law 

Replying to @jeffgiesea

Imagine if Nixon deputized the "plumbers," put them in charge of national security investigations at the FBI & DOJ, then gave them the NSA to spy on Nixon's opponents using the most invasive spying means in history. #ObamaGate makes Watergate look like amateur hour and childplay.

6:06 PM - 2 Feb 2018

https://twitter.com/Barnes_Law/status/959608892937224192

[LMAO]

The hyperbole displaying on both sides when to comes to this memo is  to be expected.

On the left,there’s claims of threats to national security and Trump acting like a dictator which is simply not true

 On our side, and Oceander is right that it’s not, there’s cries of treason and “worse than Watergate”

 This will all depend on if there’s more coming out  regarding what’s going on or what went on in the upper levels of government

 But of what we know now what does this do to the credibility of the investigation ?

[Lando Lincoln]

I am not the author of this but it is making the rounds:

A great summation.

If you put all the pieces together here's what you get.

The DNC rigs the Democratic Primary Election against Bernie Sanders so Hilliary can win the nomination. Obama's administration starts to request surveillance on Trump, his family, his transition team, and anyone associated with him. Donna Brazil gives Hilliary the questions to a debate. The DNC pays Christopher Steele to come up with a smear dossier about Trump. The mainstream media releases a taped conversation about Trump talking about grabbing women parts.

After all this Trump still wins the General Election.

Obama orders an investigation into Russia meddling in our elections. Obama changes Executive Order 12333 to allow more agencies to have access to surveillance data. The Democratic Party comes up with a scandal that Trump Colluded with Russia to win the election with no evidence or proof. This wild claim is backed up by the mainstream media. Obama hold overs start unmasking Trump's transition team and staff members then release the classified information to the mainstream media. Why? Because the DNC and the Obama administration colluded with the intelligence community to thwart Trump's campaign efforts to get him elected president. All this Russia collusion is an attempt to cover up the fact that the Obama administration, the intelligence community, the DNC, along with the mainstream media used our nations surveillance as a political tool to try to get Hilliary elected President.

This makes Watergate look like a kindergarten play.

Let that sink in.......copied from another deplorable.. bout sums it up.

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[Oceander]

The hyperbole displaying on both sides when to comes to this memo is  to be expected.

On the left,there’s claims of threats to national security and Trump acting like a dictator which is simply not true

 On our side, and Oceander is right that it’s not, there’s cries of treason and “worse than Watergate”

 This will all depend on if there’s more coming out  regarding what’s going on or what went on in the upper levels of government

 But of what we know now what does this do to the credibility of the investigation ?

Absolutely correct.

[XenaLee]

I am not the author of this but it is making the rounds:

A great summation.

If you put all the pieces together here's what you get.

The DNC rigs the Democratic Primary Election against Bernie Sanders so Hilliary can win the nomination. Obama's administration starts to request surveillance on Trump, his family, his transition team, and anyone associated with him. Donna Brazil gives Hilliary the questions to a debate. The DNC pays Christopher Steele to come up with a smear dossier about Trump. The mainstream media releases a taped conversation about Trump talking about grabbing women parts.

After all this Trump still wins the General Election.

Obama orders an investigation into Russia meddling in our elections. Obama changes Executive Order 12333 to allow more agencies to have access to surveillance data. The Democratic Party comes up with a scandal that Trump Colluded with Russia to win the election with no evidence or proof. This wild claim is backed up by the mainstream media. Obama hold overs start unmasking Trump's transition team and staff members then release the classified information to the mainstream media. Why? Because the DNC and the Obama administration colluded with the intelligence community to thwart Trump's campaign efforts to get him elected president. All this Russia collusion is an attempt to cover up the fact that the Obama administration, the intelligence community, the DNC, along with the mainstream media used our nations surveillance as a political tool to try to get Hilliary elected President.

This makes Watergate look like a kindergarten play.

Let that sink in.......copied from another deplorable.. bout sums it up.

End

 

[Right_in_Virginia]

Absolutely correct.

Again @Oceander

Robert Barnes‏
@Barnes_Law 

Replying to @jeffgiesea

Imagine if Nixon deputized the "plumbers," put them in charge of national security investigations at the FBI & DOJ, then gave them the NSA to spy on Nixon's opponents using the most invasive spying means in history. #ObamaGate makes Watergate look like amateur hour and childplay.

6:06 PM - 2 Feb 2018

https://twitter.com/Barnes_Law/status/959608892937224192

[Oceander]

I am not the author of this but it is making the rounds:

A great summation.

If you put all the pieces together here's what you get.

The DNC rigs the Democratic Primary Election against Bernie Sanders so Hilliary can win the nomination. Obama's administration starts to request surveillance on Trump, his family, his transition team, and anyone associated with him. Donna Brazil gives Hilliary the questions to a debate. The DNC pays Christopher Steele to come up with a smear dossier about Trump. The mainstream media releases a taped conversation about Trump talking about grabbing women parts.

After all this Trump still wins the General Election.

Obama orders an investigation into Russia meddling in our elections. Obama changes Executive Order 12333 to allow more agencies to have access to surveillance data. The Democratic Party comes up with a scandal that Trump Colluded with Russia to win the election with no evidence or proof. This wild claim is backed up by the mainstream media. Obama hold overs start unmasking Trump's transition team and staff members then release the classified information to the mainstream media. Why? Because the DNC and the Obama administration colluded with the intelligence community to thwart Trump's campaign efforts to get him elected president. All this Russia collusion is an attempt to cover up the fact that the Obama administration, the intelligence community, the DNC, along with the mainstream media used our nations surveillance as a political tool to try to get Hilliary elected President.

This makes Watergate look like a kindergarten play.

Let that sink in.......copied from another deplorable.. bout sums it up.

End

There is more speculative lard in there than there is demonstrable fact based on evidence.  Until more facts come out, peddling that paranoid fantasy discredits the entire investigation.

[Oceander]

Again @Oceander

@Right_in_Virginia

Repeatedly pinging someone reeks of desperation. 

Until you have facts - facts, you know, objectively demonstrable evidence - all you have is paranoid fantasy, and prematurely peddling paranoid fantasy as fact is the surest way to waste the opportunity presented by this crisis. 

The objective, demonstrable facts stated in the memo do not rise to the level of Watergate.  If there’s more, then we’ll have to wait and see.

[Concerned]

The hyperbole displaying on both sides when to comes to this memo is  to be expected.

On the left,there’s claims of threats to national security and Trump acting like a dictator which is simply not true

 On our side, and Oceander is right that it’s not, there’s cries of treason and “worse than Watergate”

 This will all depend on if there’s more coming out  regarding what’s going on or what went on in the upper levels of government

 But of what we know now what does this do to the credibility of the investigation ?

 

I don't think we know enough to definitively draw any conclusions about the credibility of the investigation.  We have part of a partisan story.  We need the other part, but more importantly, I think we need classified Congressional hearings and/or an IG investigation to get to the bottom of what really was in those FISA applications, and to hear directly from McCabe, Yates, Boente, and Rosenstein for their justifications. 

[skeeter]

I am not the author of this but it is making the rounds:

A great summation.

If you put all the pieces together here's what you get.

The DNC rigs the Democratic Primary Election against Bernie Sanders so Hilliary can win the nomination. Obama's administration starts to request surveillance on Trump, his family, his transition team, and anyone associated with him. Donna Brazil gives Hilliary the questions to a debate. The DNC pays Christopher Steele to come up with a smear dossier about Trump. The mainstream media releases a taped conversation about Trump talking about grabbing women parts.

After all this Trump still wins the General Election.

Obama orders an investigation into Russia meddling in our elections. Obama changes Executive Order 12333 to allow more agencies to have access to surveillance data. The Democratic Party comes up with a scandal that Trump Colluded with Russia to win the election with no evidence or proof. This wild claim is backed up by the mainstream media. Obama hold overs start unmasking Trump's transition team and staff members then release the classified information to the mainstream media. Why? Because the DNC and the Obama administration colluded with the intelligence community to thwart Trump's campaign efforts to get him elected president. All this Russia collusion is an attempt to cover up the fact that the Obama administration, the intelligence community, the DNC, along with the mainstream media used our nations surveillance as a political tool to try to get Hilliary elected President.

This makes Watergate look like a kindergarten play.

Let that sink in.......copied from another deplorable.. bout sums it up.

End

How one views the situation depends upon their political sympathies, as usual.

I would dearly love to see this thing progress to the point where involved parties are being tossed in prison for contempt of court, ala Watergate.

Then we'll see whats really up.