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Re: Trump declares opioid crisis a 'public health emergency'
« Reply #50 on: October 27, 2017, 06:31:35 pm »
The changes in brain chemistry causing addiction are staggering. 

Here's a pretty good introduction to the subject:  http://www.amhc.org/1408-addictions/article/48371-addiction-changes-the-brains-chemistry

All the more reason Trump and company need to keep their grubby mitts off this.  Every detail I see in this story just ticks me off more.  Government is a blunt instrument, and that's not the proper tool for the job.
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Re: Trump declares opioid crisis a 'public health emergency'
« Reply #51 on: October 27, 2017, 06:41:21 pm »
Google brain chemistry and addiction. The problem is more biology than psychology, but both are important. Bringing the criminal justice system into it costs a lot more and only makes matters worse.
My neighbors have just one daughter, and she married a firefighter station chief. For them life was great, they had a child, lived in a nice home, drove nice cars.

Then he has a serious injury on the job, gets pain meds,  gets addicted to same, loses job and wife, and commits suicide by jumping off a bridge onto a busy freeway.

One day a pillar of the community, the next a fellow human driven insane by a dangerous addictive drug.

Like alcoholics, drug addicts span the spectrum. Some are nicely dressed, seeming to function in jobs and careers. Others are down and out and even homeless.

But as we say in 12 Step settings, they all have the same thing in common; namely addiction to a substance.

Addiction is physical, mental and spiritual.

Condemning addicts and alcoholics as "immoral," "weak," etc. does not generally work.

I decided to try life without alcohol for "one day," as the result of a family intervention.

"One day" has become 23 yrs. 8 months and 22 days, now. There are many saying in AA (and they apply equally to close cousin, drug addiction).

"you aren't ready, until you are ready"......meaning one must reach a point of desperation, a bottom, bad enough to at least admit he needs to change

"once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic"....meaning you can never go back to being a normal drinker

"my drug of choice was more"....meaning it wasn't the particular substance, but the inability to use it with moderation

Alcoholics Anonymous gets NO MONEY or support from government, period. Individuals put a dollar or two into a basket, to pay for a meeting room. AA started in 1939 by individuals. (NA started in 1953 and has grown recently)

Government programs, in contrast, employ salaried "experts" and if not constrained will go on without boundaries.

President Donald Trump's brother died from alcoholism.


 
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Re: Trump declares opioid crisis a 'public health emergency'
« Reply #52 on: October 27, 2017, 06:47:22 pm »

Government programs, in contrast, employ salaried "experts" and if not constrained will go on without boundaries.

President Donald Trump's brother died from alcoholism.

I think AA is the wrong analogy.  Overeater's Anonymous is more like it.  You can't just stop eating, so the principles of AA don't quite fit.
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Re: Trump declares opioid crisis a 'public health emergency'
« Reply #53 on: October 27, 2017, 06:57:32 pm »
All the more reason Trump and company need to keep their grubby mitts off this.  Every detail I see in this story just ticks me off more.  Government is a blunt instrument, and that's not the proper tool for the job.

Good.  We need a blunt instrument to curtail the flow of drugs into and around this country, and drug dealers need to know there's a new sheriff in town.

Meaningful and appropriate assistance in the development and funding of education (including prescribing physicians), addiction treatment programs and alternative pain management centers/options would also be a positive outcome, IMO.

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Re: Trump declares opioid crisis a 'public health emergency'
« Reply #54 on: October 27, 2017, 07:12:51 pm »
Good.  We need a blunt instrument to curtail the flow of drugs into and around this country, and drug dealers need to know there's a new sheriff in town.

Meaningful and appropriate assistance in the development and funding of education (including prescribing physicians), addiction treatment programs and alternative pain management centers/options would also be a positive outcome, IMO.

Yeah, screw all those people who would have no quality of life if you took their pain meds away.  We all know they just need to stop taking them or find something the druggies aren't abusing, right?

You know, you have a lot of nerve jumping on other people for their lack of compassion up thread.
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I will NOT comply.
 
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Re: Trump declares opioid crisis a 'public health emergency'
« Reply #55 on: October 27, 2017, 07:16:57 pm »
Good.  We need a blunt instrument to curtail the flow of drugs into and around this country, and drug dealers need to know there's a new sheriff in town.


SOSDD. And the WoD will be just as ineffective with Tump's tinkering as it has always been, and wind up costing twice as much.

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Meaningful and appropriate assistance in the development and funding of education (including prescribing physicians), addiction treatment programs and alternative pain management centers/options would also be a positive outcome, IMO.

Meaningful and lofty goals, no doubt, as liberal goals always are.
Except in that it's all bullshit. And I, like others on this thread speak from personal experience.

None of those a$$holes do much good at all, and especially pain treatment centers. It's a big, honkin', expensive load of crap that makes do-gooders feel better about themselves.
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Re: Trump declares opioid crisis a 'public health emergency'
« Reply #56 on: October 27, 2017, 07:20:03 pm »
Good.  We need a blunt instrument to curtail the flow of drugs into and around this country, and drug dealers need to know there's a new sheriff in town.

LOL. You are aware that opioids are not "flowing" into this country via filthy Mexicans with their stash tucked under their sombreros, right? These opioids Donny is all worked up over and made right here in this country by Fortune 500 companies by folks in white lab coats. Johnson and Johnson, Merck, Glaxo.......ever hear of them?

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Re: Trump declares opioid crisis a 'public health emergency'
« Reply #57 on: October 27, 2017, 07:28:32 pm »
Yeah, screw all those people who would have no quality of life if you took their pain meds away.  We all know they just need to stop taking them or find something the druggies aren't abusing, right?

You know, you have a lot of nerve jumping on other people for their lack of compassion up thread.
No reason to worry. The emergence of Alcoholics Anonymous did NOTHING to reduce the supply and access to alcohol in the US.

Guess what: If you and others are able to use your prescription pain meds as prescribed, without trouble, you are NOT part of the problem. Nobody is talking about "cutting off the supply" for those with legitimate medical conditions.

But plenty of OTHER people are part of the problem, and the discussion is about them.

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Re: Trump declares opioid crisis a 'public health emergency'
« Reply #58 on: October 27, 2017, 07:34:39 pm »
No reason to worry. The emergence of Alcoholics Anonymous did NOTHING to reduce the supply and access to alcohol in the US.

Guess what: If you and others are able to use your prescription pain meds as prescribed, without trouble, you are NOT part of the problem. Nobody is talking about "cutting off the supply" for those with legitimate medical conditions.

But plenty of OTHER people are part of the problem, and the discussion is about them.

The two are inextricably entwined. THAT's the problem. And YES, they ARE cutting off supply, and making to damn tough to get your fix. It may seem reasonable to you to have someone go in weekly to get their meds, but I assure you it is not.


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Re: Trump declares opioid crisis a 'public health emergency'
« Reply #59 on: October 27, 2017, 07:34:49 pm »
We all know they just need to stop taking them or find something the druggies aren't abusing, right?

Bingo. I gotta stand in line at the pharmacy for something like cold medicine because the drug addicts were making meth with it. Did the Feds doing that stop the flow of Meth or inconvenience average everyday people like me? Same can be said of the TSA and every other Fed solution to a "Trumped" up crisis.

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Re: Trump declares opioid crisis a 'public health emergency'
« Reply #60 on: October 27, 2017, 07:38:32 pm »
This is not a job for the feds.  Not only can they not make it better, they can make things worse and this does not fall within their enumerated powers.

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Re: Trump declares opioid crisis a 'public health emergency'
« Reply #61 on: October 27, 2017, 07:42:48 pm »
No reason to worry. The emergence of Alcoholics Anonymous did NOTHING to reduce the supply and access to alcohol in the US.

Guess what: If you and others are able to use your prescription pain meds as prescribed, without trouble, you are NOT part of the problem. Nobody is talking about "cutting off the supply" for those with legitimate medical conditions.

But plenty of OTHER people are part of the problem, and the discussion is about them.

I really hope you're right about nobody "cutting off the supply."  I've watched the Government gradually tighten up the noose on Doctors who have patients with chronic conditions (specialists like Rheumatologists and Orthopods), and now the insurance companies are doing it too.  There's a line in Trump's speech about the wonderful work CVS is doing at throttling back patients.
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Re: Trump declares opioid crisis a 'public health emergency'
« Reply #62 on: October 27, 2017, 08:22:42 pm »
I really hope you're right about nobody "cutting off the supply."  I've watched the Government gradually tighten up the noose on Doctors who have patients with chronic conditions (specialists like Rheumatologists and Orthopods), and now the insurance companies are doing it too.  There's a line in Trump's speech about the wonderful work CVS is doing at throttling back patients.

He's not right. That's exactly what is happening. Draconian hoops, and ridiculous demands. It's what bureaucracies do. I played this game for many years.

Although, in retrospect, it was all the bullshit that caused me to seek other more natural means that I have total control over. But what I have done is not available to most. To go where I am, you must eschew western medicine whole cloth, and most folks are not bold enough to remove themselves from the system. And what I do will never be considered by the system, because there is no way to make money from it. And that is what it all boils down to, is filthy mammon.

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Re: Trump declares opioid crisis a 'public health emergency'
« Reply #63 on: October 27, 2017, 08:49:03 pm »
LOL. You are aware that opioids are not "flowing" into this country via filthy Mexicans with their stash tucked under their sombreros, right? These opioids Donny is all worked up over and made right here in this country by Fortune 500 companies by folks in white lab coats. Johnson and Johnson, Merck, Glaxo.......ever hear of them?

Listen buddy, if Mr. Trump says it's a good idea, it's not just a good idea, it's genius; it's Brilliant with a capital B.  And if you don't like it, too bad.  Now go get in line and wait for your turn to buy bleep decongestant.

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Re: Trump declares opioid crisis a 'public health emergency'
« Reply #64 on: October 29, 2017, 03:14:53 am »
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Re: Trump declares opioid crisis a 'public health emergency'
« Reply #65 on: October 29, 2017, 05:27:39 am »
Yeah, screw all those people who would have no quality of life if you took their pain meds away.  We all know they just need to stop taking them or find something the druggies aren't abusing, right?

You know, you have a lot of nerve jumping on other people for their lack of compassion up thread.
I know of 2 people who will likely be on Vicodin the rest of their lives. You would never know they take it. I am sure if it were stopped, well, it would be horrible. The pain they have dealt with and do, PT and other things may help but with the meds, life is livable. My Mom is 77 years old and had severe back problems. This whole so-called epidemic scared her so much; her doctor had to convince her to take it to help with healing. She still thinks that taking it shows a weakness. Thankfully, surgery helped her. I guess my point is that so what if some people are "addicted" or "dependent". For quality of life, not a problem.

I cannot take any opioid meds due to a med I am on. I pray I don't get hurt! But, maybe there are others that would work. lol
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