I'd have liked a multiple-choice.
No chance of voting anything Democrat.
No chance of voting for the Republican presidential candidate. No circumstance will change that.
Of course I will be voting down-ticket.
But I might could vote for a dark horse 3rd party if it materialized... And I would likely vote CP if I can.
And I just might be too stoned to vote. It could happen. :shrug:
Super Tuesday has past, and the choices are now set. What sez Briefers and Lurkers? How are you leaaning 8 months out?
Look I hate the effin guy. But I can't imagine another 4 years of dementia Joe hopped up on drugs to let his puppet masters ruin the country.
. And because we're getting Biden or another Dem for 4 more years, we will never have another Republican in the White House. Get used to it.
After Nixon/Ford, pundits wondered if a Republican would ever win the WH again. After eight years of Reagan and right after GHWB was elected, there was an article in Newsweek at the time that questioned if a Democrat would ever win the WH again. The Republicans were finished after GWB. In fact, James Carville even wrote a book on how Democrats will rule for 50 years.
The GOP is in a funk right now and after Trump loses in Nov, there’s going to be some soul searching. But the pendulum always swings
The GOP has been in a funk since GWB. They've lost every single popular vote.
Ranked Choice Voting? That'll fixi it....
The GOP has been in a funk since GWB. They've lost every single popular vote.
The GOP has been in a funk since GWB. They've lost every single popular vote.
Interesting poll, but it doesn't matter. We're getting Biden or some other Dem for 4 more years. And because we're getting Biden or another Dem for 4 more years, we will never have another Republican in the White House. Get used to it.
Because the rats haven't figured out how to kill the constitution......yet
@catfish1957. You forgot the Kennedy boy.
I dunno... But this year I'd be voting
[X] None of the Above
...If the option were present. So all I can do now is ignore the top of the ticket. :shrug:
Trump/Biden is the worst choice ever. The only way to encourage the major parties to select better candidates is to vote for someone else. With any luck, they will see "their" votes going to waste, and do something to remedy the situation in 2028.
Here's why we're getting 4 more years of Biden (or some other Dem). 9999hair out0000
YEP. It's all my fault.
Personally, I find it far more dangerous - FAR MORE - to support big government from the right.
Silly boy! You can't do it alone. :tongue2:
I personally disagree with your convictions, but that's fine. I'm at the end of my life. I have no kids of my own. Just by virtue of my age, I won't be here to watch America crumble that much longer. I do feel terrible for the subsequent generations, but they have participated in their own undoing by throwing their vote away. I'm choosing not to carry the worry of that anymore. You can't stand in the way of a country that's in the process of destroying itself. Permanently.
Silly boy! You can't do it alone. :tongue2:
I personally disagree with your convictions, but that's fine. I'm at the end of my life. I have no kids of my own. Just by virtue of my age, I won't be here to watch America crumble that much longer. I do feel terrible for the subsequent generations, but they have participated in their own undoing by throwing their vote away. I'm choosing not to carry the worry of that anymore. You can't stand in the way of a country that's in the process of destroying itself. Permanently.
2 here support Biden? Seriously?
2 here support Biden? Seriously?
I set the poll to allow lurkers to vote. That could include du lurkers.
Look I hate the effin guy. But I can't imagine another 4 years of dementia Joe hopped up on drugs to let his puppet masters ruin the country.
Sad as it is, I think that is correct @AllThatJazzZ but I will be voting for Donald Trump never-the-less.
I'm with Sighlass. Our State has given all of it's electoral votes to a Democrat only one time since Eisenhower's second term. Even went for Goldwater in '64. So I don't think our votes will be missed.
Trump still has an opportunity to win my vote. But I'm not holding my breath.
Riiiiiiiight. Because how much damage can the Dems do in a 4-year term? :shrug:
I know the poll is only a few days old, but the biggest shocker of all?:
57 votes in, and only 14% of particpants are enthusiastic about their Trump vote. That's pretty remarkable since this is at a Conservative Forum. This just my take, but I think the entire GOP's support for Trump is a whole lot softer than he realizes. This wil hurt this November in GOTV, and 3rd party defections.
I know the poll is only a few days old, but the biggest shocker of all?:
57 votes in, and only 14% of particpants are enthusiastic about their Trump vote. That's pretty remarkable since this is at a Conservative Forum. This is just my take, but I think the entire GOP's support for Trump is a whole lot softer than he realizes. This will hurt this November in GOTV, and 3rd party defections.
Outside of Trump's MAGA universe, he's not very well liked
With every thread being post after post declaring Trump the Antichrist, that is not surprising....
Outside of Trump's MAGA universe, he's not very well liked
There is nothing new under the sun that can be said. Yet, we try.
Here is my “reality” (whatever that means): I am concerned about a Trump presidency but I fear a Biden presidency. In all probability, we will have one or the other. I pray this Republic can survive the next 4 years. I will not do anything to aid Biden.
So yes, I will vote Trump for a third time.
At this point in time, I’ll be voting down ticket. WAY down ticket as it appears our state has two icky options for governor.
On the bright side, the spend-happy state congressmen from my district are being challenged by some actual conservatives. Just because one lives in a “red” state, that does not mean it’s a conservative state.
We are cleaning house in Texas this year @deb below is an account of just one County but it's happening all over.
https://twitter.com/Davy1836/status/1767217153520947587
Politics should be run by average citizens IMO, NOT elites.
Politics should be run by average citizens IMO, NOT elites.
The mere idea of 'elites' is un-American.
Nothing stops you from running. It's an eye-opening experience which everyone should experience.
Well... there is a sort of country club type of GOPer we all know and hate. Mitt romney types.
After Nixon/Ford, pundits wondered if a Republican would ever win the WH again. After eight years of Reagan and right after GHWB was elected, there was an article in Newsweek at the time that questioned if a Democrat would ever win the WH again. The Republicans were finished after GWB. In fact, James Carville even wrote a book on how Democrats will rule for 50 years.Maybe the GOP will do finally something to clean up election fraud in 'critical swing states' (and anywhere else it is going on) if that is the case.
The GOP is in a funk right now and after Trump loses in Nov, there’s going to be some soul searching. But the pendulum always swings
You're right, except that it's not for me. I'd be like that bald dude from PA, but worse. I'd be a laughing stock.
If Trump is floating the notion of reducing Social Security or Medicare, then he just does not want to be POTUS. That is the kiss of death.
Maybe Biden and the Democommies will not need to cheat because Trump will shoot himself in the foot with his big idiot mouth one too many times.
I highly doubt he is considering that, but I am sure somebody will post an article here from The Hill claiming he is.
@Kamaji - I recognized that thumb immediately! So good to see you, sir.
Outside of Trump's MAGA universe, he's not very well liked
To his credit he always gets a good crowd. I may end up voting for the orange julius as well, as much as I hate to even think about it.
Take care Pete.
@Jack Russell
Sometimes (too often lately),we don't always get what we want. We get what is available,and have to make do with it. Anybody that can't see that voting for the lesser of two evils (IF that is your opinion of your viable options) is the only practical choice you have.
Exactly bass ackwards.
@Jack Russell
That must be why nobody ever shows up at his rally's,huh? </S>
@roamer_1
Yes,you are.
Doing nothing accomplishes nothing,but you are one of those people who would rather do nothing and allow things to get worse,than to do ANYTHING positive that doesn't get you everything you want all at once.
But we have been having this argument for months now,so I am done wasting my time trying to convince someone that wants all or nothing RIGHT DAMN NOW.
Exactly bass ackwards.
It's what you're voting *for*.
It's big government on the right.
If liberalism is on both the right and the left, then the battle has already been lost.
And you WILL get more of what you vote *for*
If we get a sample size of a 100, I'll repeat this poll every other month for trending purposes. Until the election.
Still, at a Conservative Forum, and 85 votes in, 84% are not happy or enthused by the Trump candidacy.
There were several primaries tonight, and I find it astounding that even a week after sewing it up Super Tuesday, that generally 15-25% of all GOP voters were still passionate enough and went to the trouble not to vote for DJT today. I still think there is still an undercurrent of anger at him, and this does not appear to be a good sign for success come November.
Here is how "other" fared against Trump tonight.
Arizona- 23.7%
Florida- 18.8%
Illinois- 19.7%
Kansas- 24.7%
Ohio20- 20.8%-
If Trump does win in 2024, it will be because Biden is such an awful candidate. Had the Dems picked someone... anyone else, we'd be toast.
@roamer_1
You really need to give this line of thinking a rest. It's judgmental on your part, especially in that you've heard the druthers from most of us. I'm going to try one last time to draw a parallel and hope that it registers.
I'm hungry. My stomach is growling, I'm feeling weak, and I need some sustenance. Fortunately, a food truck comes by. Unfortunately, it has only 2 options: A bowl of peas, and a bowl of beets. Hmmmm.... A hunger headache is setting in, and I've got to make a choice. Which one will it be? Well, duh! The one least objectionable, of course. It wasn't my first choice, but it was available.
Please, I'm begging you. Stop ragging on those who are casting their vote from a pragmatic position. We're not your enemy.
@AllThatJazzZ @roamer_1 (I've read comments and here's my two cents)
@AllThatJazzZ I haven't been aware of your posts till recently. @roamer_1 there is no doubt that you are a conservative, we go back awhile ... things sure as heck aren't getting any better and as you know TEA is not dead; perhaps minimized, but not dead. That's been an encouraging spot on the horizon, though dwindling.
We have an Obama stool pigeon in the WH and a past president that pushed us further into debt, let Fauci run things, and failed on many policies. So .... as I continue to lean towards just voting down ballot, I see that the leftists still are doing everything to stop Trump which is a definite sign that they don't want him in, which to me is a sign that they know he could and he will undo as much of their agenda as possible.
The idiot in chief in the WH just signed an EO on EV vehicles and reduction in oil and perhaps the most frightening is he will attend a summit with the intent of the continuation of Obama's Millennium Global Poverty Act with the U.N.; basically allowing the UN emergency powers over the U.S. So, I don't truly know if we'll even make it to November as IIRC the summit meets in September.
Absolutely nothing but destroying our Republic if we get another 4 years of DEMS. Trump had us energy independent, created jobs and had more people working and off food stamps than any other president in history. He is now vowing to reverse Biden's EV mandate. So perhaps weighing out the negatives now of Biden vs. negatives and positives of Trump in the past???
There is no doubt in my mind that we need a true conservative in the WH in order to truly swing the pendulum the other way. Allowing the DEMS to remain in the WH we won't have to worry about seating another conservative because with all the illegals, stealing elections, etc., a conservative won't have a chance. and our Republic will fall. I have no doubt -- it's hanging by a thin thread now. Yes, I am livid that Trumpy smeared DeSantis. That was uncalled for and leaves great question in my mind.
Do we stop this country from bleeding a bit in the hopes of having time to overhaul the system or stand ground and just vote down ballot? As stated before, another 4 years of Joe & Co., and I am confident that it will be mathematically impossible (other than a full fledged war and a new government inserted) to seat another GOP.
What to do??? @AllThatJazzZ I don't see the judgemental aspect but rather sticking to core beliefs and principles which at the end of the day, I think we all agree on.
WHO AM I VOTING FOR AND WHY?
I'm voting for the First Amendment and freedom of speech.
I'm voting for the Second Amendment and my right to defend my life and my family.
I'm voting for the next Supreme Court Justice(s) to protect the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
I’m voting for the continued growth of my retirement 401K and the stock market.
I’m voting for a return of our troops from foreign countries and the end to America’s involvement in foreign conflicts.
I'm voting for the Electoral College and for the Republic in which we live.
I'm voting for the Police to be respected once again and to ensure Law & Order.
I’m voting for the continued appointment of Federal Judges who respect the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
I’m voting for our jobs to remain in America and not be outsourced all over again to China, Mexico and other foreign countries.
I’m voting for secure borders and legal immigration.
I'm voting for the Military & the Veterans who fought for this Country to give the American people their freedoms.
I’m voting for continued peace progress in the Middle East.
I’m voting to fight against human/child trafficking.
I'm voting for Freedom of Religion.
I'm voting for the right to speak my opinion and not be censored.
I'm not just voting for one person, I'm voting for the future of my Country.
I'm voting for my children and my grandchildren to ensure their freedoms and their future.
Much of that was severely damaged during Tumpy's first term. Bitem ain't helping any, that's a fact. But Tumpy did major damage.
WHO AM I VOTING FOR AND WHY?
I'm voting for the First Amendment and freedom of speech.
I'm voting for the Second Amendment and my right to defend my life and my family.
I'm voting for the next Supreme Court Justice(s) to protect the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
I’m voting for the continued growth of my retirement 401K and the stock market.
I’m voting for a return of our troops from foreign countries and the end to America’s involvement in foreign conflicts.
I'm voting for the Electoral College and for the Republic in which we live.
I'm voting for the Police to be respected once again and to ensure Law & Order.
I’m voting for the continued appointment of Federal Judges who respect the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
I’m voting for our jobs to remain in America and not be outsourced all over again to China, Mexico and other foreign countries.
I’m voting for secure borders and legal immigration.
I'm voting for the Military & the Veterans who fought for this Country to give the American people their freedoms.
I’m voting for continued peace progress in the Middle East.
I’m voting to fight against human/child trafficking.
I'm voting for Freedom of Religion.
I'm voting for the right to speak my opinion and not be censored.
I'm not just voting for one person, I'm voting for the future of my Country.
I'm voting for my children and my grandchildren to ensure their freedoms and their future.
I don't believe anyone in here should 'shame' anyone for how they vote. Opinions yes, but judging someone, no.
One of the IS going to be president as of Jan. 20, 2025 and I will take Trump over Biden any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
@roamer_1Is this like telling someone to shut up and eat their peas?
You really need to give this line of thinking a rest. It's judgmental on your part, especially in that you've heard the druthers from most of us. I'm going to try one last time to draw a parallel and hope that it registers.
I'm hungry. My stomach is growling, I'm feeling weak, and I need some sustenance. Fortunately, a food truck comes by. Unfortunately, it has only 2 options: A bowl of peas, and a bowl of beets. Hmmmm.... A hunger headache is setting in, and I've got to make a choice. Which one will it be? Well, duh! The one least objectionable, of course. It wasn't my first choice, but it was available.
Please, I'm begging you. Stop ragging on those who are casting their vote from a pragmatic position. We're not your enemy.
I'm still not certain that Trump or Biden will be the nominees. With Trump's felonies and him unable to raise bail money -- who knows what is going to happen. I don't believe the leftists are done trying to prevent him from running. I still think it is a possibility that they will have Biden step down and run someone else that they decide on at their convention.
There still is some wiggle room that things could unfold very differently other than Trump v. Biden. Yes, they are the nominees right now.
I don't believe anyone in here should 'shame' anyone for how they vote. Opinions yes, but judging someone, no.
WHO AM I VOTING FOR AND WHY?
I'm voting for the First Amendment and freedom of speech.
I'm voting for the Second Amendment and my right to defend my life and my family.
I'm voting for the next Supreme Court Justice(s) to protect the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
I’m voting for the continued growth of my retirement 401K and the stock market.
I’m voting for a return of our troops from foreign countries and the end to America’s involvement in foreign conflicts.
I'm voting for the Electoral College and for the Republic in which we live.
I'm voting for the Police to be respected once again and to ensure Law & Order.
I’m voting for the continued appointment of Federal Judges who respect the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
I’m voting for our jobs to remain in America and not be outsourced all over again to China, Mexico and other foreign countries.
I’m voting for secure borders and legal immigration.
I'm voting for the Military & the Veterans who fought for this Country to give the American people their freedoms.
I’m voting for continued peace progress in the Middle East.
I’m voting to fight against human/child trafficking.
I'm voting for Freedom of Religion.
I'm voting for the right to speak my opinion and not be censored.
I'm not just voting for one person, I'm voting for the future of my Country.
I'm voting for my children and my grandchildren to ensure their freedoms and their future.
I am voting for those that don't go along with cultural rot of homosexuality and openly pushes Christian values (not NY values)... one that will not attack our 2nd Amendment rights and make light of them... One that does not needless attack people of firm conservative values (as proven over time via how they voted)... One that makes sure to back the most conservative person running for office instead of the one that puckers to kiss butt the hardest in front of a camera.
Many (if not most) of the members here wrote off the wokeness of going along with the homosexual agenda as not really affecting them.... Well America is now Rainbow puke with it... it demands (and often gets) it's way.... why, because it didn't stay behind bedroom doors like I said the whole time.
Answer: None of the above....
I have a line in the sand.... where is yours?
One of the IS going to be president as of Jan. 20, 2025 and I will take Trump over Biden any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
My reasoning for none of the above for president is more economics and fiscal along with both Biden's and Trump's conduct during COVID vs culture wars but your are right in your reasoning.
I've said before that in the past, I was pretty libertarian on the social issues. But that has hardened in recent years as I see how society's tolerance has been rewarded. The idea of sexualizing children and the damage caused by pumping them full of hormones with the blessing of government. Crime not only tolerated and excused but almost to the point of being cheered especially when committed by a certain ethnic group and the vilification of cops. Abortion being promoted right up to birth. Intolerance of other beliefs on college campus that used to be a bastion of free speech and the exchange of opposing viewpoints. Intact, loving, mom and dad families and virtue are vilified while debauchery is embraced.
I don't know if we are being judged by a higher power or not. But it sure feels like it
I am voting for those that don't go along with cultural rot of homosexuality and openly pushes Christian values (not NY values)... one that will not attack our 2nd Amendment rights and make light of them... One that does not needless attack people of firm conservative values (as proven over time via how they voted)... One that makes sure to back the most conservative person running for office instead of the one that puckers to kiss butt the hardest in front of a camera.
Many (if not most) of the members here wrote off the wokeness of going along with the homosexual agenda as not really affecting them.... Well America is now Rainbow puke with it... it demands (and often gets) it's way.... why, because it didn't stay behind bedroom doors like I said the whole time.
Answer: None of the above.... The last person I was able to openly vote for with a clear conscience was Duncan Hunter... I am a dinosaur, and will go down as principled one.
I have a line in the sand.... where is yours?
I am voting for those that don't go along with cultural rot of homosexuality and openly pushes Christian values (not NY values)... one that will not attack our 2nd Amendment rights and make light of them... One that does not needless attack people of firm conservative values (as proven over time via how they voted)... One that makes sure to back the most conservative person running for office instead of the one that puckers to kiss butt the hardest in front of a camera.
Many (if not most) of the members here wrote off the wokeness of going along with the homosexual agenda as not really affecting them.... Well America is now Rainbow puke with it... it demands (and often gets) it's way.... why, because it didn't stay behind bedroom doors like I said the whole time.
Answer: None of the above.... The last person I was able to openly vote for with a clear conscience was Duncan Hunter... I am a dinosaur, and will go down as principled one.
I have a line in the sand.... where is yours?
Ah .... another Duncan Hunter voter. I voted for him as well and thinking about it, probably that last person that I voted for without hesitation.
I am voting for those that don't go along with cultural rot of homosexuality and openly pushes Christian values (not NY values). One that does not needless attack people of firm conservative values (as proven over time via how they voted)... One that makes sure to back the most conservative person running for office instead of the one that puckers to kiss butt the hardest in front of a camera.
... I am a dinosaur, and will go down as principled one.
WHO AM I VOTING FOR AND WHY?
I'm voting for the First Amendment and freedom of speech.
I'm voting for the Second Amendment and my right to defend my life and my family.
I'm voting for the next Supreme Court Justice(s) to protect the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
I’m voting for the continued growth of my retirement 401K and the stock market.
I’m voting for a return of our troops from foreign countries and the end to America’s involvement in foreign conflicts.
I'm voting for the Electoral College and for the Republic in which we live.
I'm voting for the Police to be respected once again and to ensure Law & Order.
I’m voting for the continued appointment of Federal Judges who respect the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. . . .
Liberalism hasn't worked in the past, isn't working now and won't work in the future. Why it is so difficult for people to grasp and the GOP to convey I'm not quite sure.
Certainly we are being tested, with more trials and tribulations ahead of us...this is only the beginning.
Only HIS mercy is going to save this country and keep it from complete destruction.
What principle supports exiting the arena when the fight is difficult and hope is fading @Sighlass ?
I ask the same question of @roamer_1
Many parts of the culture wars can't be fixed at the ballot box. Society needs to decide how much it's willing to tolerate
The only thing politicians can and should do is enforce laws and deal with the economic and fiscal issues
I am voting for those that don't go along with cultural rot of homosexuality and openly pushes Christian values (not NY values)... one that will not attack our 2nd Amendment rights and make light of them... One that does not needless attack people of firm conservative values (as proven over time via how they voted)... One that makes sure to back the most conservative person running for office instead of the one that puckers to kiss butt the hardest in front of a camera.
Many (if not most) of the members here wrote off the wokeness of going along with the homosexual agenda as not really affecting them.... Well America is now Rainbow puke with it... it demands (and often gets) it's way.... why, because it didn't stay behind bedroom doors like I said the whole time.
Answer: None of the above.... The last person I was able to openly vote for with a clear conscience was Duncan Hunter... I am a dinosaur, and will go down as principled one.
I have a line in the sand.... where is yours?
What principle supports exiting the arena when the fight is difficult and hope is fading @Sighlass ?
I ask the same question of @roamer_1
@Right_in_Virginia
Well,they get to do their little "superiority dances" in front of their tv's on election night,happy because all that matters in the world is them being "pure" and everybody else being wrong.
Or so they think.
What principle supports exiting the arena when the fight is difficult and hope is fading @Sighlass ?
@Right_in_Virginia
Well,they get to do their little "superiority dances" in front of their tv's on election night,happy because all that matters in the world is them being "pure" and everybody else being wrong.
Or so they think.
“She gave a great answer, a very tough question – on transgender – just the question everybody wants to hear, and she gave a great answer and she really did a great job,” Trump said
“It was a very cool answer,” added Trump. ..... “Her answer was a very intelligent answer and that’s one of the reasons I assume the judges picked her (Culpo)"
Nope. I will weep... either way.
Another sad chapter will begin in the continuing destruction.
QuoteGive me something to vote for that doesn't spit in my face Sparky. You have numerous times elaborated you don't care what folks do in their bedroom, how is that working out for everyone? Cultural rot is like black mold, you can not appease it by turning a blind eye to it, or in Trump's case, praising it.
@Sighlass
Ahhh,a morality Nazi!
Please tell us all what types of sex we can enjoy,who we can enjoy them with,and where we can buy the permits to have sex.QuoteGive me a real conservative and I will vote for them. Otherwise you are wasting your breath pushing a poop sandwich (yes literally) I will not willingly partake.
Horse Hillary! You are a morality Nazi who thinks you have the right to determine how FREE Americans live their private lives.
A Right that no longer clamors for small government and balanced budgets is the fading hope and difficult fight.
And without that fight won first on the right. MThe fight is already lost.
Give me something to vote for that doesn't spit in my face Sparky. You have numerous times elaborated you don't care what folks do in their bedroom, how is that working out for everyone? Cultural rot is like black mold, you can not appease it by turning a blind eye to it
Interesting that a man who so values his opinions would accept defeat so easily. It seems your choice is rooted more in a tantrum than a righteous principle.
But, know that as long as you're happy with your choice, I'm happy for you. Thanks for your reply, it was helpful.
@Sighlass
Ahhh,a morality Nazi!
Please tell us all what types of sex we can enjoy,who we can enjoy them with,and where we can buy the permits to have sex..
Don't worry. The Democrats are doing that for you.
But, know that as long as you're happy with your choice, I'm happy for you. Thanks for your reply, it was helpful.
@Right_in_Virginia
Maybe the most under reported statistic during last Tuesday's GOP Primaries was the fact that 20-25% of voters voted for "others". This despite Trump sewing up the nomination a full week earlier. Think about that.... Up to one in four voters were passionate enough about it to go out of their way, make it to the polls, and send DJT a message that he isn't wanted.
@catfish1957
There is just no accounting for stupidity,and "stupidity" isn't a strong enough word for people who are content,and even brag about sitting at home and allowing the left to complete it's take-over of America.
Meanwhile,you just go ahead and be happy sitting in your house (yours for the time being,anyhow) and doing your little superiority dances" and patting each other on the back for contributing to "Rome Burning".
Sticking a knife in your eye to spite your face has never seemed like a clever idea to me,but if it works for you,go for it.
Tell me,are you going to throw a big party to celebrate if the GOP loses?
@sneakypete
Hey numb nuts..... I voted on this poll as "Trump-holding nose". Think before making unfounded accusations.
@catfish1957
I can only offer my sincere apologies.
@Right_in_Virginia
Maybe the most under reported statistic during last Tuesday's GOP Primaries was the fact that 20-25% of voters voted for "others". This despite Trump sewing up the nomination a full week earlier. Think about that.... Up to one in four voters were passionate enough about it to go out of their way, make it to the polls, and send DJT a message that he isn't wanted.
No direct attempt to knock you off your soap box, but Trump , et. al. had to realze and understand that giving conservatives the middle finger wasn't without risk. I know the sample size of this poll is small, but I do think that when a GOP nominee can only secure 17% of motivated enthusiastic supporters on any poll? That has to be a red flag.
Big headline the day after might be the GOTV efforts by the GOP failed at the presidental level.
You've done a nice job why I am reluctantly voting for Trump. Trump sucks and is a trojan horse liberal. But another 4 years of Biden might just destroy this country. Not a totally binary decison, as if anything I view Trump as just a speed bump slowing up our demise, until we can nominate a true conserative.
No, @AllThatJazzZ , it's not judgemental in the least, beyond the bare fact that y'all are going the wrong way.
No, @AllThatJazzZ , it's not judgemental in the least, beyond the bare fact that y'all are going the wrong way.
Meh. The sh*t sandwich vs. turd burger scenario. A fallacy proven over and over again.
And that kind of thinking is exactly what re-elects the single-most historic offender against Conservatism back to office. Halied as a 'conservative' no less. Maybe with a mandate. It would be hilarious if it were not so dire. And so damn stupid.
That thinking is why single-payer health care is still around and Republicans spend just as much as democrats. That is why there is still no damn fence on the southern border.
In your zeal to block your opposition, you will do ANYTHING to your own. You (Y'all) will throw anything and anyone right under the bus. And them azzoles know it. Anything goes.
To win against the Democrats, you sacrifice your own. What victory when you destroy the very things you're standing for? For years? For DECADES?
It is not pragmatic in the least. It is capitulation over and over, and over again.
There's your hunger scenario...
You're very hungry, And a whole table is set before you, and you are promised you can have all you can eat.... And all you have to do is eat a little bite of your own. Just one little bite - You can choose which one you'll take it out of, and any cut will do.
And lets talk about ragging, hmmm? Here I am on one of the premiere Conservative sites. DEFENDING CONSERVATISM, and what I've got for it is nothing but 'ragging' FOR YEARS.
Every sort of vile epitaph. Every kind of motive assigned. You don't know ragging. Why do you think so few philosophical Conservatives remain here? Why do you think all the heavy hitters are gone?
We are supposed to be standing together around a set of principles. That's what we are supposed to be fighting for. Can you even name them? Can you tell me how many of them are sacrificed electing the moron king?
I often end with this tag:
Liberalism is not winning on its merit - It has no merit.
Liberalism is winning because it has no opposition.
That opposition is supposed to be us. The Right.
But liberalism is being ushered into the right, and y'all are voting FOR it.
And you want me to 'lighten up' and let you?
Hell no. I will be right here, yelling my ass off.
I am going to point right at it and spell it the hell out.
You are still gonna decide. It's your decision.
But you won't be able to say you didn't know better.
Meh. The sh*t sandwich vs. turd burger scenario. A fallacy proven over and over again.
And that kind of thinking is exactly what re-elects the single-most historic offender against Conservatism back to office. Halied as a 'conservative' no less. Maybe with a mandate. It would be hilarious if it were not so dire. And so damn stupid.
A true conservative would have trouble getting elected in the general election, even in the best of conditions.
You've done a nice job why I am reluctantly voting for Trump. Trump sucks and is a trojan horse liberal. But another 4 years of Biden might just destroy this country. Not a totally binary decison, as if anything I view Trump as just a speed bump slowing up our demise, until we can nominate a true conserative.
A true conservative would have trouble getting elected in the general election, even in the best of conditions. Even Ronald Reagan in 1980 had to be really convincing and he struggled early on in that campaign season
But it’s less likely with Donald Trump as president again. Donald Trump is the best get out the vote issue the Democrats have. If Donald Trump were to win, what would follow him as a Democrat that could get potentially eight years. And it could very well be a Bernie Sanders type.
Then we are really screwed
I can appreciate the reasoning of people who are holding their nose for Donald Trump because I believe those are the kind of voters that will have no problem holding him accountable and being critical when need versus the true blue MAGAs
UNLESS we stop listening to the folks in the media echo chamber we will never see another conservative in the WH.
@catfish1957
I'm curious about your use of "might" in that statement. Can you tell me which of Biden's disastrous policies we will be able to survive if he (or a Dem) gets another 4 years?
WHO AM I VOTING FOR AND WHY?
I'm voting for the First Amendment and freedom of speech.
I'm voting for the Second Amendment and my right to defend my life and my family.
I'm voting for the next Supreme Court Justice(s) to protect the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
I’m voting for the continued growth of my retirement 401K and the stock market.
I’m voting for a return of our troops from foreign countries and the end to America’s involvement in foreign conflicts.
I'm voting for the Electoral College and for the Republic in which we live.
I'm voting for the Police to be respected once again and to ensure Law & Order.
I’m voting for the continued appointment of Federal Judges who respect the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
I’m voting for our jobs to remain in America and not be outsourced all over again to China, Mexico and other foreign countries.
I’m voting for secure borders and legal immigration.
I'm voting for the Military & the Veterans who fought for this Country to give the American people their freedoms.
I’m voting for continued peace progress in the Middle East.
I’m voting to fight against human/child trafficking.
I'm voting for Freedom of Religion.
I'm voting for the right to speak my opinion and not be censored.
I'm not just voting for one person, I'm voting for the future of my Country.
I'm voting for my children and my grandchildren to ensure their freedoms and their future.
Screwed either way? I've thought through that scenario too.
I can envision that sadly a violent revoltution is possible, and almost inevitable. That or a modified "Atlas Shrugged" play, where society collapses under it's own ineptitude, and entitement slugs sucking dry the fruits of those who have contributed.
Screwed either way? I've thought through that scenario too.
I can envision that sadly a violent revoltution is possible, and almost inevitable. That or a modified "Atlas Shrugged" play, where society collapses under it's own ineptitude, and entitement slugs sucking dry the fruits of those who have contributed.
In a scenario where we at least hold one of two.... House or Senate. Obstructionism (like now) may be our only hope. And if we can get both houses in both 2 year terms, Biden will be lame duck, Day 1.
I hope we don't see any of that here..
I wish we didn't. :shrug:
I caught Bill O’Reilly show the other day and he said that this election is going to be the most divisive election in history
And he said that the best response to give to people is, this is America and people have a right to vote who they want.
It’s part of our nature to not understand why people don’t think the same way we do, and don’t view the world the same way we do. Trump may win and somehow govern in a way that would make Barry Goldwater proud. If he did that I will eat the fattest stinkiest crow in the world. The record and his proposals now say otherwise. But miracles can happen.
But I think at this point, peoples minds are pretty much made up. Telling people that they’re responsible for ruining the country because they don’t vote a certain way probably is not gonna change very many minds either.
Why this site is better than TOS is at TOS, only pro Trump opinions are allowed. Echo chambers are no fun.
That’s all
There is just no accounting for stupidity,and "stupidity" isn't a strong enough word for people who are content,and even brag about sitting at home and allowing the left to complete it's take-over of America.
@roamer_1
OK, now that's just cute! "I'm not judgmental, but you're wrong!" :silly: :silly: :silly:
You say that electing Donald Trump will be ruinous for the Republican Party.
I assume you know that electing Joe Biden will be ruinous for the republic. Hmmmm…. That would mean that you would choose to lose the nation for the sake of saving conservatism. Explain to me (one who’s too stupid to differentiate between the sandwich/burger fallacy) exactly how that order of ruination works out for us. Both as citizens of the USA and as conservatives. Please help those of us with lesser intellects by using simple language. I'll wait.
A collapsed society is EXACTLY what the left has been working toward for thirty years! See Cloward Piven (https://study.com/academy/lesson/the-cloward-piven-strategy.html).
I’m more optimistic. Not in the short term. But in the long term. And although I believe that violence is possible, I do not accept that it’s inevitable
You are right that we do have to put up with a lot of bullshit in the meantime. But the pendulum always swings. Even if it takes effort to do such.
I don’t believe, for example, that most Americans hate each other, just because they are different race
I believe the American people are fair minded, decent people who want to advance in life and want that satisfaction of working for the chance to have a better life. I believe the American people are the most productive in the world, if government would get off their throats and not pay them to stay home
@AllThatJazzZ
If I were to see you on the trail, knowing where you intend to go, and holler out that you're going the wrong way - That is considered 'judgemental'?
You really must be joking. At that definition, we can have no speech at all.
No. I don't give a sh*t for the Republican party. Don't care about it one way or another, except in its role as a vehicle for Conservatism, in which terms, The Republican party is a sh*tbox. If there were another such vehicle, I would prefer it immediately... And as such, my fondness at the polls for the CP.
So I have no trouble ruining the Republicans. Such an action would only accelerate another party which might have suitable zeal to rise up and actually fight the Democrats. A far better bet than Republicans, who have for years already fought with nothing but mumbled words.
Your mistake is in the first sentence - Because electing either one is ruinous to this nation. BOTH are poison.
And thus, the obvious choice via the sandwich/burger argument is, as always, the deli down the street for a nice turkey and pastrami with swiss on a chabati roll... And let the chips fall where they may.
Because the differences are not very different.
It seems that you're addicted to squabbling. You know I was equating the Republican Party with conservatism. At least you should have. You can't even let that go without dispute. **nononono*
It seems that you're addicted to squabbling. You know I was equating the Republican Party with conservatism. At least you should have. You can't even let that go without dispute. **nononono*
More jabber jabber jabber jabber jabber jabber jabber jabber jabber jabber jabber jabber jabber jabber jabber jabber...
Seriously, @roamer_1, you'd wear the hair off a buffalo's butt. I get that you love to argue, and to the degree that that means talking in circles, Ican'twon't do it. I'll step aside so you can carry on with the others. I'm done with our discussions concerning this issue. Have a great day.
P.S. Judgmental. Only one e.
@mystery-ak @Cyber Liberty
Thank you, @AllThatJazzZ
Just look at WTF has happened to this forum.
Will remain in lurk mode so as not to ruffle your feathers, but cannot remain silent any longer while you coddle these asswipes @roamer_1 , @LMAO , @Sighlass and @Hoodat
If you cannot tell the difference between the Republican Party and the Communist Democrat Party today....if you will not acknowledge that Donald Trump is the ONLY choice to save our Republic from the path on which it is on....then you all need to get brain scans.
Thank you for giving me the opportunity to call all of you out. You're all unprincipled Conservatives pretending to be Patriots.
Am getting sicker by the day at what is being done to our country.
And yet, TBR's current NT 'braintrust' is being elevated on pedestals...in the name of Freedom of Speech.
You should all be ashamed of yourselves.
I am ashamed of all of you...many of you who I thought of as FAMILY.
Am getting sicker by the day at what is being done to our country.
And yet, TBR's current NT 'braintrust' is being elevated on pedestals...in the name of Freedom of Speech.
You should all be ashamed of yourselves.
I am ashamed of all of you...many of you who I thought of as FAMILY.
@mystery-ak @Cyber Liberty
Thank you, @AllThatJazzZ
Just look at WTF has happened to this forum.
Will remain in lurk mode so as not to ruffle your feathers, but cannot remain silent any longer while you coddle these asswipes @roamer_1 , @LMAO , @Sighlass and @Hoodat
If you cannot tell the difference between the Republican Party and the Communist Democrat Party today....if you will not acknowledge that Donald Trump is the ONLY choice to save our Republic from the path on which it is on....then you all need to get brain scans.
Thank you for giving me the opportunity to call all of you out. You're all unprincipled Conservatives pretending to be Patriots.
Notice how he pinged moderators first. he wants viewpoints that he doesn’t like silenced because he sees those as a micro aggression. Just like a university snowflake. happy77
Notice how he pinged moderators first. he wants viewpoints that he doesn’t like silenced because he sees those as a micro aggression. Just like a university snowflake. happy77
Didn't ping "moderators"...pinged OWNERSHIP!
And nowhere did I call for the silencing/censorship of anyone.
What sickens me is that too many good people in here...for one reason or another simply quit challenging the idiocy being spewed by your cult.
@sneakypete is insulted now on a daily basis.... @Right_in_Virginia comes back to try in a mature way and we read,
"...well look what the cat dragged in".
Other Briefers whom have commanded respect over the years don't even try to debate your idiotic nonsense...because they have been conditioned to act like "good Republicans".
....and just look at where that has brought us. Eight months out and you're all still ragging on Donald J. Trump.
You deserve all the ridicule.
@DCPatriot
Make note of that with the thousands and thousands of small business owners destroyed by Tumpy's Covid plan... That very socialist plan. And tell me more about the difference.
Two Words @DCPatriot
Bull shit!
Didn't ping "moderators"...pinged OWNERSHIP!
And nowhere did I call for the silencing/censorship of anyone.
What sickens me is that too many good people in here...for one reason or another simply quit challenging the idiocy being spewed by your cult.
@sneakypete is insulted now on a daily basis.... @Right_in_Virginia comes back to try in a mature way and we read,
"...well look what the cat dragged in".
Other Briefers whom have commanded respect over the years don't even try to debate your idiotic nonsense...because they have been conditioned to act like "good Republicans".
....and just look at where that has brought us. Eight months out and you're all still ragging on Donald J. Trump.
You deserve all the ridicule.
....and just look at where that has brought us. Eight months out and you're all still ragging on Donald J. Trump.
You deserve all the ridicule.
There seems to be a lot of “Trump is our only chance to save America claims” from many of his supporters
But when you point out facts regarding his presidency, like you just did, they tell you you’re supposed to ignore that. All those Covid checks, and that Covid lockdown Trump had to do, you see, or the Democrats would get mad at him. But yet in the next breath will tell you all he’s gonna be the only one that’ll take on the left.
When you point out the fact that the groundwork for the inflation we are experienced today was laid during his watch, they tell you to ignore that
When you point out that Barack Obama deported more illegal immigrants on his watch than Trump did, they tell you to ignore that
When you point out the damage that his tariffs cost to the economy, they tell you to ignore that
When you point out that the Republican Party has basically been on a losing streak since Donald Trump got lucky in 2016 and that he has a lightning rod and a wonderful get out the vote target for the Democrat Party, they tell you to ignore that
When you point out that it was Donald Trump, who appointed people like Christopher Wray and Miley, they tell you to ignore that
When you point out the massive deficits and debt that was added under his watch so now we have to print money to finance the debt, they tell you to ignore that.
When you point out the protectionist tariffs and the spending he plans on doing if he’s reelected and the damage it will further do, they tell you to ignore that and that’s not important
The government and the swamp grew under Donald Trump. But we’re supposed to ignore that and believe that this time is going to be different
But yet, despite all the above, Trump is the guy that’s going to save the country and turn it around
Mind-boggling
You've done a nice job why I am reluctantly voting for Trump. Trump sucks and is a trojan horse liberal. But another 4 years of Biden might just destroy this country. Not a totally binary decison, as if anything I view Trump as just a speed bump slowing up our demise, until we can nominate a true conserative.
@mystery-ak @Cyber Liberty
Thank you, @AllThatJazzZ
Just look at WTF has happened to this forum.
Will remain in lurk mode so as not to ruffle your feathers, but cannot remain silent any longer while you coddle these asswipes @roamer_1 , @LMAO , @Sighlass and @Hoodat
If you cannot tell the difference between the Republican Party and the Communist Democrat Party today....if you will not acknowledge that Donald Trump is the ONLY choice to save our Republic from the path on which it is on....then you all need to get brain scans.
Thank you for giving me the opportunity to call all of you out. You're all unprincipled Conservatives pretending to be Patriots.
Interesting that a man who so values his opinions would accept defeat so easily. It seems your choice is rooted more in a tantrum than a righteous principle.
But, know that as long as you're happy with your choice, I'm happy for you. Thanks for your reply, it was helpful.
@Right_in_Virginia comes back to try in a mature way and we read,
"...well look what the cat dragged in".
Interesting that a man who so values his opinions would accept defeat so easily. It seems your choice is rooted more in a tantrum than a righteous principle.
But, know that as long as you're happy with your choice, I'm happy for you. Thanks for your reply, it was helpful.
There seems to be a lot of “Trump is our only chance to save America claims” from many of his supporters
But when you point out facts regarding his presidency, like you just did, they tell you you’re supposed to ignore that. All those Covid checks, and that Covid lockdown Trump had to do, you see, or the Democrats would get mad at him. But yet in the next breath will tell you all he’s gonna be the only one that’ll take on the left.
When you point out the fact that the groundwork for the inflation we are experienced today was laid during his watch, they tell you to ignore that
When you point out that Barack Obama deported more illegal immigrants on his watch than Trump did, they tell you to ignore that
When you point out the damage that his tariffs cost to the economy, they tell you to ignore that
When you point out that the Republican Party has basically been on a losing streak since Donald Trump got lucky in 2016 and that he has a lightning rod and a wonderful get out the vote target for the Democrat Party, they tell you to ignore that
When you point out that it was Donald Trump, who appointed people like Christopher Wray and Miley, they tell you to ignore that
When you point out the massive deficits and debt that was added under his watch so now we have to print money to finance the debt, they tell you to ignore that.
When you point out the protectionist tariffs and the spending he plans on doing if he’s reelected and the damage it will further do, they tell you to ignore that and that’s not important
The government and the swamp grew under Donald Trump. But we’re supposed to ignore that and believe that this time is going to be different
But yet, despite all the above, Trump is the guy that’s going to save the country and turn it around
Mind-boggling
I think that the reality is that DJT is not going to win the general. I'm not quite understanding how anyone thinks with the current rate that they're letting in illegals, the upcoming UN global summit, Trump's assets being seized, the RNC low on money that he's going to win the general or that any of the GOP down ballot is going to win.
Heck, IMHO, they've already stolen the election -- it's just a question of who the DEMS are going to replace Joe with.
Yes it is. And I think it's why they disengaged and disappeared. It's indefensible, and there are enough here not willing to join the rah-rah team that remember, and are unafraid in this environment to raise the question.
Mindless discipleship is better suited for ToS, I'd suppose.
@Right_in_Virginia
Maybe the most under reported statistic during last Tuesday's GOP Primaries was the fact that 20-25% of voters voted for "others". This despite Trump sewing up the nomination a full week earlier. Think about that.... Up to one in four voters were passionate enough about it to go out of their way, make it to the polls, and send DJT a message that he isn't wanted.
No direct attempt to knock you off your soap box, but Trump , et. al. had to realze and understand that giving conservatives the middle finger wasn't without risk. I know the sample size of this poll is small, but I do think that when a GOP nominee can only secure 17% of motivated enthusiastic supporters on any poll? That has to be a red flag.
Big headline the day after might be the GOTV efforts by the GOP failed at the presidental level.
I think that the reality is that DJT is not going to win the general. I'm not quite understanding how anyone thinks with the current rate that they're letting in illegals, the upcoming UN global summit, Trump's assets being seized, the RNC low on money that he's going to win the general or that any of the GOP down ballot is going to win.
Heck, IMHO, they've already stolen the election -- it's just a question of who the DEMS are going to replace Joe with.
And yet they (Trumpers) want to come here to TBR and spread their $hit, thinking we are as unprincipled and stupid as their brethren wallowing away in their echo chambers.
Screw Trump and the Trumpers he rode in on!
I don't know that they need to fix it... What with Tumpy controlling the RNC and likely to suck all the money out of downstream candidates - Especially those who won't kiss the ring.
If 20-30% of Republicans are choosing 'None of the Above' in Republican exit polling...
He's gonna play hell without a full quarter behind him.
He comes on here lamenting the supposed name calling while personally insulting members. You can't make that shit up :rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling:
What he was trying to do is get this thread locked. I've seen that tactic, before
I agree with you @roamer_1 but at the end of the day we ALL are going to pay the price; very quickly our Republic WILL crumble.
As for this upcoming election; you have much more confidence than I that we are going to make it another election.
I've stated this before but Joe is going to be attending the UN global summit in September and could very likely allow them governance over the U.S. under 'global emergency powers'. There is nothing to prevent that, unless Congress comes up with a bill to stop him from doing so. How many Congressmen are even paying attention? Most are busy worrying about saving their Congressional seats rather than American hides.
The one thing that surprised me when the primary voting results were posted for my (admittedly) small county was the number of voters that voted none of the above or for candidates no longer running. Yes, Trump still won but it sure wasn't by any stretch unanimous.
It appears this was pretty well nationwide. That doesn't sound like a good sign to me. Of course, these voters might change their vote to Trump in the general. Or not. They could always vote down ticket and forego the top of the ticket.
What he was trying to do is get this thread locked. I've seen that tactic, before
And yet they (Trumpers) want to come here to TBR and spread their $hit, thinking we are as unprincipled and stupid as their brethren wallowing away in their echo chambers.
Screw Trump and the Trumpers he rode in on!
The one thing that surprised me when the primary voting results were posted for my (admittedly) small county was the number of voters that voted none of the above or for candidates no longer running. Yes, Trump still won but it sure wasn't by any stretch unanimous.
It appears this was pretty well nationwide. That doesn't sound like a good sign to me. Of course, these voters might change their vote to Trump in the general. Or not. They could always vote down ticket and forego the top of the ticket.
And yet they (Trumpers) want to come here to TBR and spread their $hit, thinking we are as unprincipled and stupid as their brethren wallowing away in their echo chambers.
Screw Trump and the Trumpers he rode in on!
All of the above just point to the rot in Republicans. And I really mean that. They are incapable of any real resistance, and likely in collusion with much of it.
And all the Tumpy campaign wants to do is shake their d*cks and a**es at the Democrats - Which only pisses them off, with nothing more following. No plan. No forbearance. no austerity. Just brylcreme and shiny shit.
It's a sh*t show, all the way around.
And laughable when they talk in terms of war.
Clowns.
And yet they (Trumpers) want to come here to TBR and spread their $hit, thinking we are as unprincipled and stupid as their brethren wallowing away in their echo chambers.
Screw Trump and the Trumpers he rode in on!
Baloney.... I guess you didn't see the results Tuesday night, where 20-25% of all GOP primary voters voted for "other, or other candidates". This a whole week after DJT sewed up the nomination. Think about it.....those are 25% who went out of their way to express disatisfaction with Trump, the candiate.
Hey there @Right_in_Virginia happy77
Giant Douche vs Turd Sandwich
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svX9YpzqCWA
JUST SAY NO
By the way welcome back to you and your compatriot @DCPatriot
Please, post a link to this @catfish1957
Waidaminnit.... THIS is 'trying in a mature way', @DCPatriot ?That's a pretty common greeting amongst friends who haven't seen each other in a spell in this neck of the woods.
:silly: :silly: :silly:
And btw... If my friend @Smokin Joe was gone a while and suddenly showed up, The very same 'Well lookey what the cat dragged in' would be used - In fact I dare say that has happened before.
So your whining and crying and throwing dirt in the air is all on you. There is no insult in it.
At the same time... within hours... :whistle:
That's a pretty common greeting amongst friends who haven't seen each other in a spell in this neck of the woods.
I'm not sure I get the kerfuffle.
@roamer_1 You weren't typing in a nasty tone of voice, were you?
Baloney.... I guess you didn't see the results Tuesday night, where 20-25% of all GOP primary voters voted for "other, or other candidates". This a whole week after DJT sewed up the nomination. Think about it.....those are 25% who went out of their way to express disatisfaction with Trump, the candiate.
So don't gaslight us thinking we are outliers. DJT might win, but don't be angry when the conservative GOTV results are underwhelming. Ridicule? Check a mirror.
Naw, @Right_in_Virginia has been posting for days....
This is AZ:
https://www.fox10phoenix.com/election/updates-2024-arizona-ppe-election-march-19-biden-trump-results-az-live
Donald Trump got 75%, Haley 22%. 25% went for "Not Trump."
No... No more than usual... But I farted while I was typing. I don't think that counts. :shrug:
No... No more than usual... But I farted while I was typing. I don't think that counts. :shrug:Dunno...How much bandwidth you got?
But if they are DEMS voting in an open primary -- they could sway those numbers. IMHO you would think by now that red states would come around to becoming closed primary states. :shrug:
Are we to believe that 25% view their lives better under Brandon than Trump?? I don't know of any 3rd party candidate that has been able to get onto the ballot yet in all 50 states, including RFK Jr. Would voting 3rd party help Brandon or Trump??? I don't even know how to begin making that determination.
Dunno...How much bandwidth you got?
Not in the west. There is a libertarian bent in the west that is not present elsewhere. We don't like getting herded. Which is why we all have bouts when we get a little purplier, and why 3rd parties tend to do better...
And I doubt that red states have a big enough blue population to jigger the red vote by 20 points.
Ummm... When they were new, or stretched out like they are for all these years?Don't try that in yoga pants...They'll hear the boom in Dillon--maybe think Yellowstone is going.
:silly:
Because of the flight of people from blue states into red states, I'm not so sure how purple red states are going to become; primarily TX, AZ and FL. Yes, I believe that liberals are stupid enough to move and still vote liberal.
Don't try that in yoga pants...They'll hear the boom in Dillon--maybe think Yellowstone is going.
(I'm on the other side of the Divide, so it should be safe here...)
Yikes. By name.
In AZ, the Presidential Preference Poll is GOP only. Closed Primary.
This is AZ:
https://www.fox10phoenix.com/election/updates-2024-arizona-ppe-election-march-19-biden-trump-results-az-live
Donald Trump got 75%, Haley 22%. 25% went for "Not Trump."
@Cyber Liberty
Please explain how you can have a total of 122% in a closed primary? For that matter, in any "closed election"? Thank you.
@Cyber Liberty
Please explain how you can have a total of 122% in a closed primary? For that matter, in any "closed election"? Thank you.
75% + 25% =100%
ETA: I must admit that I did not word that very well....and I caused confusion.
I caused confusion.
Will remain in lurk mode so as not to ruffle your feathers
...if you will not acknowledge that Donald Trump is the ONLY choice to save our Republic from the path on which it is on....then you all need to get brain scans.
Thank you for giving me the opportunity to call all of you out. You're all unprincipled Conservatives pretending to be Patriots.
We aren't exactly ahead in the game - right now the DEMS are winning and if they continue to win there won't be any coming back.
I see this alot. Gloom and doom. It's over if they win
But look at this administration. They've bumbled everything they touch. Look at the people in this administration. Harris, Blinken, Sullivan, Granholm. Not exactly a haven of smarts, there. They're grossly incompetent
I'm not being a Pollyanna. We face a lot of pifalls and hardship. But we have to stop acting like the opposition is made of super men and women
You must be independently wealthy and have no fear of our Republic collapsing because you have a one way ticket out of here on a really nice remote island with a beautiful mansion on it stocked with food and a security detail to protect you.
I see this alot. Gloom and doom. It's over if they win
But look at this administration. They've bumbled up everything they've touch. Look at the people in this administration. Harris, Blinken, Sullivan, Granholm. Not exactly a haven of smarts, there. They're grossly incompetent
I'm not being a Pollyanna. We face a lot of pitfalls and hardship. But we have to stop acting like the opposition is made of super men and women
You must be independently wealthy and have no fear of our Republic collapsing
Here is the NUMBER ONE THREAT that the American Republic faces today:
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And not once have I heard Donald Trump mention it.
Here is the NUMBER ONE THREAT that the American Republic faces today:
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And not once have I heard Donald Trump mention it.
Here is the NUMBER ONE THREAT that the American Republic faces today:
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And not once have I heard Donald Trump mention it.
@Hoodat
Ah yes. I see that getting so much better in a Biden (or Dem) administration.
Except in reality if the terrorists or other subversive groups that they are allowing into our country decide to strike or if Brandon decides to allow the UN to have emergency powers over the U.S. in a couple of months, we won't have to worry about debt as we won't have a country left.
So you're saying that Trump is no different from Biden?
@Hoodat
No, and I'm a little concerned about your reasoning skills. 9999what
@AllThatJazzZ
You seem to be making the case that Biden running up trillions in debt is bad and that we shouldn't vote for him because of it. Is that correct?
Yeah, right.
Yesterday, @Bigun wrote an excellent post touting the reasons he was voting for Trump. Seventeen justifications as to why Trump was getting his vote - all of them positive, inciteful, convincing, and best of all truthful.
After reviewing them, I admitted to myself that his argument was quite admirable and openly applauded his efforts. I found myself today thinking about those reasons, and was reconsidering my vote. I was coming around, thinking that maybe these positives outweighed the negatives.
And then I read your post. You can be rest assured that your words have once again driven me about as far away from voting for Trump as I have ever been. Thank you for restoring my sanity and keeping me from making a huge mistake.
@Hoodat
I'm making the case that abstaining from voting for Trump on this issue doesn't improve the situation. If Biden/Dem gets in, it'll be worse.
Have such a power over you...you can't stand it. You're such a child...somebody who allows another's personality and posting style to affect for whom you'll cast a vote.
Don't flatter yourself. It is your propensity for non-rational persuasion that drives me away, not your personality or posting style. Same old logical fallacies over and over again. You never learn. You are unteachable.
In 2028, the debt is estimated to be at 40 trillion. Forty trillion. You know the risk to the economy at that? We'll be printing money just to cover the interest, if we are not already
BULLETIN~~~
We're not here to persuade you or anyone.
You've had EIGHT years to educate yourselves on what is a simple rudimentary binary choice for most anyone who could fog a mirror.
If Trump wants my vote, he can make this issue the centerpiece of his campaign. Acknowledge the mistakes of the past up to and including his, and move forward on this issue.
And for God sake's, dump the stupid tariff idea
Like I said, logical fallacies. QED.
He’s not really the type to admit to a mistake, is he?
He’s not really the type to admit to a mistake, is he?
Geez, @deb
Why is it so difficult to understand that the 100% tariffs will only be applied to Chinese automobiles? :shrug:
Geez, @deb
Why is it so difficult to understand that the 100% tariffs will only be applied to Chinese automobiles? :shrug:
Automobiles don't pay tariffs. (See: Logical fallacies)
Automobiles don't pay tariffs. (See: Logical fallacies)
American consumers do
And the 100% tariffs he wants on EVs from China is on top of the 60% tariffs on other goods from China he wants plu10% tariffs on goods from other nation's
All that extra cost is passed on to American consumers.
American consumers do
And the 100% tariffs he wants on EVs from China is on top of the 60% tariffs on other goods from China he wants plus 10% tariffs on goods from other nation's
All that extra cost is passed on to American consumers. That's who ultimately pays His tariffs the first time triggered a trade war and cost the economy. And inflation was lower then. Throw those extra costs on top of inflation
LOL! So what? Let's make it a 200% tariff on Chinese manufacturered automobiles. Or even 300%??
Buy a damned Japanese or Korean car.
I'm partial to German autos, myself. Over 203K on the clock with simple oil changes, brakes and tires. :laugh:
Here is the NUMBER ONE THREAT that the American Republic faces today:
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And not once have I heard Donald Trump mention it.
American consumers do
And the 100% tariffs he wants on EVs from China is on top of the 60% tariffs on other goods from China he wants plus 10% tariffs on goods from other nation's
All that extra cost is passed on to American consumers. That's who ultimately pays His tariffs
American consumers do
And the 100% tariffs he wants on EVs from China is on top of the 60% tariffs on other goods from China he wants plus 10% tariffs on goods from other nation's
All that extra cost is passed on to American consumers. That's who ultimately pays His tariffs the first time triggered a trade war and cost the economy. And inflation was lower then. Throw those extra costs on top of inflation
Alrighty --- thanks.
While "A Cop in Every Bedroom" is a tough political slogan to sell to the masses; you just might be the one to breathe power into it. 🤞
ESPECIALLY on those items not available except through China. Different story if like Reagan, he was protecting an American business... At least there is a logic to that.
Here's a clue! STOP buying the CHICOM shit!
Maybe! Just maybe we should consider getting the USA back into the manufacturing business!
No, you literally can't.
First you have to START making American shit. THEN you can stop buying CHICOM shit.
Bullshit!
@Sighlass
Ahhh,a morality Nazi!
Please tell us all what types of sex we can enjoy,who we can enjoy them with,and where we can buy the permits to have sex..
I'm all for it. That's a whole nuther thing from tariffs.
No, it's not. When Tumpy shut off the ports, that should have been a clue. Whole sectors of American business shut down for lack of parts.
Really? I'm not fond of tariffs as a matter of simple economics but when the marketplace is grossly slanted in favor of people who will not play by the rules, they ARE appropriate.
I'm all in favor of pricing the CHICOMS out of markets everywhere by any means necessary.
The point is, in AZ Trump got 75%, and I was expecting more. :shrug:
The better way would be to take the weight off of American small business so they can compete. China has different rules. That's why everybody is manufacturing over there instead of over here.
In the long run, US tariffs make American manufacturers less competitive, not more competitive.
They are over there because the WE have priced ourselves out of markets with our insane Marxist income tax system!
In the long run, US tariffs make American manufacturers less competitive, not more competitive.
I had a Toyota minivan that I traded in that had 289,000 miles on it for an SUV about 6 years ago
Ran great and required very little maintenance
What brand of auto is Korean?
And unions, and minimum wages, and a weak, inflated dollar. We could go on and on.
No, you literally can't.
First you have to START making American shit. THEN you can stop buying CHICOM shit.
Perfect example of an online meltdown. Quite entertaining actually.
But this is what members of a cult look like.
Uncomfortable facts makes him anxious. Understandable. So what he wants is an echo chamber for his own comfort.
As you see, because he’s not getting it, he’s lashing out
Notice how he pinged moderators first. he wants viewpoints that he doesn’t like silenced because he sees those as a micro aggression. Just like a university snowflake. happy77
"There are thousands hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root."
Henry David Thoreau
ALL the things you mentioned in your post are enabled by the Marxist income tax and federal reserve banks!
@roamer_1
LOL! A majority of Toyota and Honda...even BMW are stamped and assembled in various cities here in the USA.
Until recently most have been NON-UNION plants....don't know about right now.
Please, post a link to this @catfish1957@Right_in_Virginia
The point is, in AZ Trump got 75%, and I was expecting more. :shrug:
@Cyber Liberty @Smokin JoeSubsets overlap. Venn diagrams and all that...
Okay...thank you.
Interpreted it to mean that DJT got 75% of the total votes...NH got 22%, so "Not for Trump" could only achieve 3% because "100%" equals total.
I'll bet you'll find plenty on them made in China.Years ago, (after NAFTA), I walked into NAPA and ordered up a set of brake drums for the '75 van I was using for a field vehicle at the time. I was asked "You want Mexican or Chinese?" "Let's just stick to North America, thanks."
Subsets overlap. Venn diagrams and all that...
Years ago, (after NAFTA), I walked into NAPA and ordered up a set of brake drums for the '75 van I was using for a field vehicle at the time. I was asked "You want Mexican or Chinese?" "Let's just stick to North America, thanks."
I would wager a tremendous number of aftermarket parts hail from China.
...Admittedly, my frame of reference is limited to the last eight decades of my life, but in that time, I have noticed a marked shift in how we view ourselves as a country and a people.
We've gone from pride to prejudices, from faith to fears, and from purposeful optimism to abject pessimism. We've become a country of self-doubters, ashamed of and apologetic for our history. We hide our true opinions, justifying to ourselves that it's better to demur than to engage each other in conversation. After all, conversation could lead to disagreement and that could lead to conflict which would be unpleasant and uncomfortable. Better to step away from confrontation and live in peaceful coexistence with the forces that are working feverishly to upend all the time-honored cultural values that we hold dear, than to raise our heads above the waterline and make ourselves a target.
@Right_in_Virginia
Extraxcted from electoral tabulation site that I prepared that night.
A perfect description of too many of my Briefer FRiends today...IF THE SHOE FITS...WEAR IT!
By Stephan Helgesen:
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2024/03/the_death_of_the_american_salesman.html (https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2024/03/the_death_of_the_american_salesman.html)
Early voting ---- began Feb 21. Had she still been in it, this would have been just another bloodbath for her with Trump winning by more than 55 points.
The real story is the inroads Trump has been in Arizona's Hispanic community, although early voting is still an important issue.
A perfect description of too many of my Briefer FRiends today...IF THE SHOE FITS...WEAR IT!
WTF are you goin on about now, @DCPatriot ?
This is a forum. A place for classical debate. In the very nature of the place, I'd highly doubt the sort attracted here would be short on opinion, or lacking in their ability to opine. Folks speak their mind around here.
*****rollingeyes*****
Some unsolicited advice, Mr. Know-it-All. Try using your scroll-bar if a post goes over that large head of yours.
Stop making up bleep out of nothing, because of your incessant need to appear the smartest one in the room.
Everything posted here isn't a challenge to you and your crew.
Have a nice day...go back and finish your Manifesto or something. happy77
Have you seen a pride parade, it ain't the bedroom anymore than it was to begin with. It is in the streets, in the classrooms, in the freaking halls of congress caught on film. Like I said, you keep harping on bedrooms and like I said, it ain't bedrooms anymore, it is adoptions rights, it is now in classrooms keeping parents from even knowing what they push on kids.
Do you supports Trumps positions on this?
Good luck in getting an answer to this
Have you seen a pride parade, it ain't the bedroom anymore than it was to begin with. It is in the streets, in the classrooms, in the freaking halls of congress caught on film. Like I said, you keep harping on bedrooms and like I said, it ain't bedrooms anymore, it is adoptions rights, it is now in classrooms keeping parents from even knowing what they push on kids.
Do you supports Trumps positions on this?
@Sighlass Does that about cover your question? :shrug:
Because once again, Trump has nothing to do with this. He's just one man!
Oops
From 2016
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/06/13/in-speech-trump-appears-to-embrace-lgbt-rights-but-gay-leaders-remain-skeptical/
Trump's speech today was historic — it marked the first time in history a Republican presidential nominee made a direct and explicit appeal to the LGBT community," Angelo said in a statement. "Only time will tell if that translates to actual votes, but in key states that will be decided by slim margins, a few extra votes from LGBT Americans could make all the difference."
Excuse the man for recognizing the LGTB voter during his presidential campaign.
LOL! Desperate much?? @Sighlass
It's always interesting to watch you twist all your Moralities and Principles into a Pretzel @DCPatriot defending this NY liberal.
I expected better from such an intelligent Man. :beer:
* Though I expect that a populate your Ignore List.
It's always interesting to watch you twist all your Moralities and Principles into a Pretzel @DCPatriot defending this NY liberal.
I expected better from such an intelligent Man. :beer:
* Though I expect that a populate your Ignore List.
This is a forum. A place for classical debate.
Up thread, you just went on about how Barack Obama is responsible for all the immorality in this country
Yet when you find out that Donald Trump himself has embraced woke and LBGTQRST issues, miraculously you suddenly have no problem with that
Just a typical 78 year old geezer who wants everybody off my lawn! And can no longer tolerate jerks.
“We are fighting for the gay community, and we are fighting and fighting hard,” - NY Values Trump
Classical debate is an imprecation to the 'ends justify the means' crowd. It's because classical debate is founded in 'truth'.
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@Sighlass didn’t post that I did
Up thread, you just went on about how Barack Obama is responsible for all the immorality in this country
Yet when you find out that Donald Trump himself has embraced woke and LBGTQRST issues, miraculously you suddenly have no problem with that
Opined that before the faggot Obama moved into the Oval Office, the LGTBQ crowd remained in the closet and that he takes great pride in filling important positions with them...essentially rubbing the lifestyle in our faces.
And pandering for votes during a national campaign, IMO, is a venial sin comparatively speaking and demonstrating.
I did no such thing, @LMAO
Opined that before the faggot Obama moved into the Oval Office, the LGTBQ crowd remained in the closet and that he takes great pride in filling important positions with them...essentially rubbing the lifestyle in our faces.
And pandering for votes during a national campaign, IMO, is a venial sin comparatively speaking and demonstrating.
https://catholicstraightanswers.com/what-is-the-difference-between-mortal-and-venial-sin/ (https://catholicstraightanswers.com/what-is-the-difference-between-mortal-and-venial-sin/)
:goalpost:
OopsNope.
From 2016
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/06/13/in-speech-trump-appears-to-embrace-lgbt-rights-but-gay-leaders-remain-skeptical/
Trump's speech today was historic — it marked the first time in history a Republican presidential nominee made a direct and explicit appeal to the LGBT community," Angelo said in a statement. "Only time will tell if that translates to actual votes, but in key states that will be decided by slim margins, a few extra votes from LGBT Americans could make all the difference."
IMHO, this has the homosexual Barack Hussein Obama's fingerprints all over this crap.
He's been able to rise to POTUS, all while doing recreational drugs and living a blatant homosexual lifestyle, with a tranny beard and two phony girls passed off as his birth daughters.
Funny you mentioned this, it was Trump that put a gay gun-grabber judge (Patrick Bumatay from NY or course) on the 9th Circuit court in California... one that took his "husband" to the confirmation sessions ... He also has two daughters passed off as birth daughters.
I'm 78 years old. Look around. Time to face up to the TRUTH. The proof is all around us.
The Republic is 'dead'. Tree of Liberty has been petrified.
Even too late to "Lock n' Load". Technology has made it impossible.
"Woodstock" my ass!! We Baby Boomers have allowed this to happen. We're responsible for all of this.{spit}
The pendulum eventually swings
It always does.
It's over now. Good luck. Health-wise, fully expect I won't even be alive by the '24 Election this November. Thank you, Jesus.
Like 'John Coffey" in The Green Mile... "I'm tired boss! I'm tired of all the pain I feel and hear in the world"
I'm 78 years old. Look around. Time to face up to the TRUTH. The proof is all around us.
The Republic is 'dead'. Tree of Liberty has been petrified.
Even too late to "Lock n' Load". Technology has made it impossible.
"Woodstock" my ass!! We Baby Boomers have allowed this to happen. We're responsible for all of this.{spit}
Now how is that fighting for the country? wink777
I’ll give you an example of what I’ve done. We had a local school board election a couple years ago. We campaigned to get all the “teach elementary school kids LBGTQRS issues” type voted out and we won. And won, as Trump would say, “Bigly”
@Sighlass is right. I don’t care what two consenting adults do in their private life. But when society is told it must embrace and accommodate, we’re going to have a problem
The way I see it, if Hiroshima and Nagasaki can become thriving, robust cities after having two nuclear bombs dropped on them, America will survive and recover from Biden and the left
I'm not going to write you a book about what I've done but will just say that I've stolen much time and treasure from my family over the last fifty years and gotten NOTHING of substance in return.
Yes, there will always be a place called the United States of America, but it will bear zero resemblance to the republic our founders gave us. In fact, that is already true right now @LMAO.
@Bigun
Out of curiosity, how optimistic/pessimistic are you about America's return to greatness?
I’ll give you an example of what I’ve done. We had a local school board election a couple years ago. We campaigned to get all the “teach elementary school kids LBGTQRS issues” type voted out and we won. And won, as Trump would say, “Bigly”
G-d bless you, @LMAO .
I'm 78 years old. Look around. Time to face up to the TRUTH. The proof is all around us.
The Republic is 'dead'. Tree of Liberty has been petrified.
Purging from the bottom up, might be the ticket.
Now how is that fighting for the country? wink777
I’ll give you an example of what I’ve done. We had a local school board election a couple years ago. We campaigned to get all the “teach elementary school kids LBGTQRS issues” type voted out and we won. And won, as Trump would say, “Bigly”
@LMAO
Ahh, but "swing" back to what?
Not my intention here to drag Donald Trump into the conversation...my point simply being that if not for the successful nominations and confirmations of Kavanaugh, Barrett and Gorsuch, the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution would have overturned today.
IMO, it wasn't DJT...he was merely the 'vessel'. It was a Republican POTUS supported by the Mitch McConnel team.
If Hillary Clinton won in 2016, things would certainly be different. Ruth Bader Ginsburg would have retired, etc..
It's my contention that Baby Boomers needing a 2 income-family...keeping up with the "Joneses"...unshackling (too strong a word, perhaps) women from the home and kitchen...ahhh... on and on.
It's over now. Good luck. Health-wise, fully expect I won't even be alive by the '24 Election this November. Thank you, Jesus.
Like 'John Coffey" in The Green Mile... "I'm tired boss! I'm tired of all the pain I feel and hear in the world"
Well, @DCPatriot most of it was already done before any of us "baby boomers" were born but that does not negate the fact that WE could have stopped it had we been astute enough to figure out what was going on.@Bigun
@AllThatJazzZ I'm sorry to report that short of Gods intervention I see no chance.
Purging from the bottom up, might be the ticket. Sadly, left wing excrement have been louder voices, and have gotten their way.
Very impressive, @LMAO Thank you.
However, I am in the Deep Midnight Blue Peoples Republic of Maryland, where today, Ronald Wilson Reagan wouldn't stand a chance of winning an office.
Even voting for Jesus Christ as a Republican would be a waste of time and effort.
Very impressive, @LMAO Thank you.
However, I am in the Deep Midnight Blue Peoples Republic of Maryland, where today, Ronald Wilson Reagan wouldn't stand a chance of winning an office.
Even voting for Jesus Christ as a Republican would be a waste of time and effort.
Every single example of the problems you all bemoan was brought about through the expansion of government. Conservativism would have prevented all of them had we adhered to it.
If the federal budget was balanced today, you would all be shocked at how much better this country would be. Prosperity would abound. Double-digit growth rates. An explosion of wealth. And no more inflation.
One bright spot is the “go woke, go broke” phenomenon. I thought the effort was worthwhile but I didn’t think it would be effective
I admit with joy I was wrong
The exact point that Ted Cruz was making in 2016.
@AllThatJazzZ I'm sorry to report that short of Gods intervention I see no chance.
I'm 78 years old. Look around. Time to face up to the TRUTH. The proof is all around us.
The Republic is 'dead'. Tree of Liberty has been petrified.
Even too late to "Lock n' Load". Technology has made it impossible.
"Woodstock" my ass!! We Baby Boomers have allowed this to happen. We're responsible for all of this.{spit}
That was also Ron Paul's philosophy -- build from the bottom up. Conservatism won't expand from the top down.
@LMAO
Ahh, but "swing" back to what?
Not my intention here to drag Donald Trump into the conversation...my point simply being that if not for the successful nominations and confirmations of Kavanaugh, Barrett and Gorsuch, the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution would have overturned today.
IMO, it wasn't DJT...he was merely the 'vessel'. It was a Republican POTUS supported by the Mitch McConnel team.
If Hillary Clinton won in 2016, things would certainly be different. Ruth Bader Ginsburg would have retired, etc..
It's my contention that Baby Boomers needing a 2 income-family...keeping up with the "Joneses"...unshackling (too strong a word, perhaps) women from the home and kitchen...ahhh... on and on.
It's over now. Good luck. Health-wise, fully expect I won't even be alive by the '24 Election this November. Thank you, Jesus.
Like 'John Coffey" in The Green Mile... "I'm tired boss! I'm tired of all the pain I feel and hear in the world"
@libertybele
Problem I see is that it's like planting your corn crop in October...complete failure and waste.
There's no time left for growing things. Only way to succeed is thru the point of a gun and like I stated earlier upthread...technology forbids its success.
Groups like the ones meeting at John Adams' Tavern would have to leave their cell phones at home with the batteries displaced. Even doing that is no guarantee today.
There's no time left for growing things. Only way to succeed is thru the point of a gun and like I stated earlier upthread...technology forbids its success.
Groups like the ones meeting at John Adams' Tavern would have to leave their cell phones at home with the batteries displaced. Even doing that is no guarantee today.
That was also Ron Paul's philosophy -- build from the bottom up. Conservatism won't expand from the top down.
Problem I see is that it's like planting your corn crop in October...complete failure and waste.
There's no time left for growing things.
Well, @DCPatriot most of it was already done before any of us "baby boomers" were born but that does not negate the fact that WE could have stopped it had we been astute enough to figure out what was going on.
Best I can determine is the conservatives/traditionalists in the Boomer generation understood what was going on, but failed in their strategy to fight it.
The other side changed hearts and minds and then brought them into the voting booth, conservative Boomers skipped this step. The other side overwhelmed ---- simultaneously transforming every social institution giving the majority of voters at least one reason to vote for them. For decades, conservative Boomers were transfixed on two issues: abortion and social spending; becoming the didactic voice of takeaways in the process.
Hearts and minds matter. Until conservative Boomers embrace this and use it to make their case, they remain an obstacle to that proverbial pendulum swinging. On this, and IMHO, much can be learned from Donald Trump.
Problem I see is that it's like planting your corn crop in October...complete failure and waste.
There's no time left for growing things.
Maybe you should have started a couple of elections ago instead of clinging onto a New York liberal as your lord and saviour.
Best I can determine is the conservatives/traditionalists in the Boomer generation understood what was going on, but failed in their strategy to fight it.
The other side changed hearts and minds and then brought them into the voting booth, conservative Boomers skipped this step. The other side overwhelmed ---- simultaneously transforming every social institution giving the majority of voters at least one reason to vote for them. For decades, conservative Boomers were transfixed on two issues: abortion and social spending; becoming the didactic voice of takeaways in the process.
Hearts and minds matter. Until conservative Boomers embrace this and use it to make their case, they remain an obstacle to that proverbial pendulum swinging. On this, and IMHO, much can be learned from Donald Trump.
@libertybele
Groups like the ones meeting at John Adams' Tavern would have to leave their cell phones at home with the batteries displaced. Even doing that is no guarantee today.
Good point @DCPatriot We've lost the fine art of in-person interactions and discussion. The birthing clinics for the first American freedom fighters were churches and taverns ---- which just might explain why both were among the places shut down in liberal states during Covid.
We need to return to this tradition ---- without the electronics.
OMG! That aspect of the shutdown just hit me. I just took it as their hatred for all things pertaining to God. I never even looked at it from the POV that conservatives need to be prevented from hatching plans to stand up against their tyranny. Thanks for that!! I'm more horrified than before, but I'm happy to understand more of their thinking.
@AllThatJazzZ
From any point of observation such as that, step back and ask yourself 'what would satan do here?' You may find yourself stumblng upon coincidence again and again.
Conservatism, my ass. Here is the Baby Boomers' contribution to our current situation:
(https://www.usagold.com/wp-content/uploads/federaldebt2.png)
EXACTLY bass ackwards.
One does not fix the thing by moving the Conservative line closer to lberalism. One does not fix a damn thing by supporting a liberal.
The line is RIGHT HERE. I've been standing on it the whole time. It does not move. It does not change.
And all who try will fail. It is those, who in their hubris, think to change it that are in the way - Falsely claiming the line can move that are the problem... Leading people astray to nonexistent mirages in the desert, when the river of Conservatism flows deep in its bed, in the same place it always is.
Trump's last year in office:
(https://www.usagold.com/wp-content/uploads/natdebtNV620.png)
@Right_in_Virginia
OMG! That aspect of the shutdown just hit me. I just took it as their hatred for all things pertaining to God. I never even looked at it from the POV that conservatives need to be prevented from hatching plans to stand up against their tyranny. Thanks for that!! I'm more horrified than before, but I'm happy to understand more of their thinking.
Good point @DCPatriot We've lost the fine art of in-person interactions and discussion. The birthing clinics for the first American freedom fighters were churches and taverns ---- which just might explain why both were among the places shut down in liberal states during Covid.
We need to return to this tradition ---- without the electronics.
I'm not so sure that we deserve God's mercy.
@Hoodat
I hope you're having a nice Saturday.
Nice graph showing how Reagan set in motion the wrecking ball to (fiscal) Conservatism.
Divine intervention and a miracle is what's needed and I'm not so sure that we deserve God's mercy.
Conservatives shouldn't fight to win the hearts and minds of the next generation?? While this is moronic, it does explain why your philosophy has birthed an impotent political sect. Stick to fiddling ---- at least that's in your wheelhouse.
Easy to say. But no. The people who didn't pay it back set it off.
The creation of debt is not the problem. It's the not paying it back.
It can be argued that the borrowing under Reagan (which was miniscule compared to today) was an investment toward ending the Cold War - an investment with a concrete payback. After the end of the Cold War, our Defense budget fell from 7% of GDP down to 3%, which can be translated to a full 4% of GDP going towards paying that debt.
@Right_in_Virginia
OMG! That aspect of the shutdown just hit me. I just took it as their hatred for all things pertaining to God. I never even looked at it from the POV that conservatives need to be prevented from hatching plans to stand up against their tyranny. Thanks for that!! I'm more horrified than before, but I'm happy to understand more of their thinking.
Every citizen owes the Fed Gov over 1000,000 to pay off the national debt. That's just the national debt. And there are no plans to even dent that in the coming years
What is that going to look like in 4 years? Eight years?
Luckily DeSantis saw what was going on and our parks were re-opened and slowly restaurants and pubs/taverns, stores, banks, libraries, etc. were re-opened. Much sooner than the rest of the country -- people went back to work for the most part. Hospitals retained the CDC/WHO protocol for awhile, but eventually DeSantis stepped in and they allowed the public to decide whether or not to wear masks and allowed visitors.
It can be argued that the borrowing under Reagan (which was miniscule compared to today) was an investment toward ending the Cold War - an investment with a concrete payback. After the end of the Cold War, our Defense budget fell from 7% of GDP down to 3%, which can be translated to a full 4% of GDP going towards paying that debt.
Hyperinflation will take care of it.
And he, along with other governors who did likewise were excoriated by the press. I remember the name "Govenor Deathsantis" given to him by the likes of the NYT's and the left
But he and others stood their ground and proved to be right
Thank God for folks that stand on principle and will not be swayed...
Every citizen owes the Fed Gov over 1000,000 to pay off the national debt. That's just the national debt. And there are no plans to even dent that in the coming years
What is that going to look like in 4 years? Eight years?
So MTG and her friends are right? Vacate the Chair!
MTG and her friends are right. Cooperating with Democrats is destroying this country.
Right, with but one correction: 4% of GDP ought to go toward paying it back - That never happened. The growth that Reagan fostered lasted twenty years. Twenty years of plenty, and during all that time, the debt only grew... 94 is the only time that approached decent husbandry and a faint stab at fiscal responsibility.
Thank God for folks that stand on principle and will not be swayed...
So MTG and her friends are right? Vacate the Chair!
In eight years, a $38 trillion debt becomes $56 trillion at current interest rates. And that only assumes that we add nothing to it (which isn't happening).
Realistically though, lets assume that the federal government continues with $1.5 trillion deficits over the next 8 years (which is significantly lower than it has been), then by 2032, we will be looking at a national debt of over $70 trillion.
Good point @DCPatriot We've lost the fine art of in-person interactions and discussion. The birthing clinics for the first American freedom fighters were churches and taverns ---- which just might explain why both were among the places shut down in liberal states during Covid.
We need to return to this tradition ---- without the electronics.
Good point @DCPatriot We've lost the fine art of in-person interactions and discussion. The birthing clinics for the first American freedom fighters were churches and taverns ---- which just might explain why both were among the places shut down in liberal states during Covid.
We need to return to this tradition ---- without the electronics.
Exactly right. One of the pastors of a former church that we went to, moved to a different church and took a different position. He addressed the 'church' and made comment of what was being done during COVID; trying to shut down churches so that like minded, conservative Christians couldn't gather. He made the comment, looking up to he heavens as he spoke; have mercy on us, as that's not going to happen -- we will continue to gather.
Christianity and churches are being targeted.
Stand your ground and remain steadfast in your faith and the values and morals upon which you grew up with; predominately those same values and principles upon which this country was founded.
My comment about the enemy was just what I have observed. When I see the things that are happening especially now, but began in 2009, I remember a comment someone made about the 2009 Inauguration and how the demonic now had unfettered access to the American government. So when I see the outrages of the current regime, I'm always left thinking that satan couldn't have done a better job at destroying the blessings of this nation.
"The Road To Hell Is Paved With Good Intentions" Ronald Reagan
Hyperinflation will take care of it.
Just for you @bigheadfred
"Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."
Daniel Webster
@Lando Lincoln
LOL!
Used to earn an average of $300K per annum at the turn of the century.
Today, I find myself avoiding the meat aisles even at COSTCO.
Biden has his own problems also with his base and it’s over Israel versus Hamas
But it’s about the issues. Some of Trump supporters have created a fantasy about things like “he cares about how he looks in the history books,” which they never really defined what that means, except a lot of vague concepts, like “taking on the left” but it’s ultimately the policy positions and the record that gives an insight of how they would and have govern, and that has the greatest impact.
We will continue to gather but NEVER will we utter a word that might endanger our 501c3 status!
@LMAO
You are more full of Biden than a Christmas Turkey.
Then again,you may be right because we ALL know what a modest fellow Trump is. Chances are he cares nothing for how he goes down in history,right?
@Hoodat
Thanks for the memories.
Vividly recall posting back then--a prediction...that Conservatives would become "The New German Jew".
Then I seek refuge on the political forum and what do I see?
ORANGE MAN BAD!!! day in and day out.
And in the back of my mind, I 'see' and hear James Cagney..."Where's Your Moses, Now??"
:thud:
We will continue to gather but NEVER will we utter a word that might endanger our 501c3 status!
@roamer_1 @Lando Lincoln @Hoodat @LMAO
Still more of this!
"There are thousands hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root."
@sneakypete
Except when both candidates are from the left - Then there is no point. Six of one, half dozen of the other.
@catfish1957 's point is well taken.
@roamer_1
WHEN did that happen,Bubba?
Trump isn't a leftist,and you are the only one I know of ignorant enough to call him one.
Hell,if Reagan were re-incarnated and allowed to run again,you could probably call HIM a leftist because you want the whole freaking world to run like YOU think it should run.
Guess what?
It just don't work that way. On ANY subject. Not even organized religion. After all,look at how many of them there are,and some are always fighting each other "For the Glory of Gawd!"
You ain't the only fish in the ocean,and in a FREE Society,people ARE allowed to think freely.
Even when they are off by 180 degrees,like you.
Just waking up from a 2 hour nap
I wouldn’t say that Donald Trump is a leftist like one of the squad members
He’s a populist. And because he isn’t tied to any particular ideology, he’s easily swayed depending on who charms him the most, and who is willing to donate more to his campaign
We’ve seen examples of both
I have no personal animosity towards Donald Trump. And I hope that he’s ultimately successful in his lawsuits. But that has nothing to do with the shape we find our country in or the future
It’s phrases oft repeated by you(cares how he goes down in the history books, will take on the left, ect)
Yet never really defined what that means
@roamer_1
WHEN did that happen,Bubba?
Trump isn't a leftist,and you are the only one I know of ignorant enough to call him one.
Hell,if Reagan were re-incarnated and allowed to run again,you could probably call HIM a leftist because you want the whole freaking world to run like YOU think it should run.
Guess what?
It just don't work that way. On ANY subject. Not even organized religion. After all,look at how many of them there are,and some are always fighting each other "For the Glory of Gawd!"
You ain't the only fish in the ocean,and in a FREE Society,people ARE allowed to think freely.
Even when they are off by 180 degrees,like you.
If I took a two hour nap, I would wake up groggy as hell
@sneakypete
Yes he is. As enumerated over and over hereon.
@roamer_1
Ahh,the old "Stalin Ploy"! Tell a lie often enough,and it becomes the truth".
Coming out of the closet,Comrade?
@LMAO
What BS! The typical 10th grader knows what it implies.
Nobody is going to persuade @roamer_1 that he's living in a fantasy today. "Pragmatism" is a foreign language and concept to him.
The vast majority of Briefers who agree with you and me have been cowed into silence in their quest to avoid confrontations.
It nauseates me. Ownership won't even acknowledge it in the name of "Free expression".
The NT's are their pets now, because without THEM...this place is a funeral parlor.
Even PM'd me when they suspended @Right_in_Virginia begging me to contact her to return because the place became an anti-Trump echo chamber. I did it gladly because...you don't treat a cornerstone of the forum like that just because of her political alignments.
Even still we have a couple of the NT goobers blaming Pres. Trump for the current inflationary spending...
THEY are the core here now. They're Anarchists.
@roamer_1
Ahh,the old "Stalin Ploy"! Tell a lie often enough,and it becomes the truth".
Coming out of the closet,Comrade?
@sneakypete
It ain't a lie.
Documented over and over and over and over.
He's Pro-woke. Going after LGBTQWERTY vote. Wrong side of Bud Light. Wrong side of Disney.
He's big government - Government went further LEFT under his watch. Historic spending.
NYC values.
Don't care who you are, that's LEFT.
ROFL! That's idiocy.
Trump represents MAGA. The Democrats represent Communism and Totalitarianism.
Ergo....give me the Populist today.
Trump represents MAGA.
@sneakypete
So happy to see you have joined the current conversation again.
Noticed that you were an island for the past two months....virtually the only one taking on the crazy NTs.
As @AllThatJazzZ recently suggested to @libertybele ... don't take the bait and return to the circular firing squad.
It's tired and it's boring as hell.
Nobody is going to persuade @roamer_1 that he's living in a fantasy today. "Pragmatism" is a foreign language and concept to him.
The vast majority of Briefers who agree with you and me have been cowed into silence in their quest to avoid confrontations.
It nauseates me. Ownership won't even acknowledge it in the name of "Free expression".
The NT's are their pets now, because without THEM...this place is a funeral parlor.
Even PM'd me when they suspended @Right_in_Virginia begging me to contact her to return because the place became an anti-Trump echo chamber. I did it gladly because...you don't treat a cornerstone of the forum like that just because of her political alignments.
How many times do they expect good people to "Turn the other cheek"? Being called "liars"..."Paid consultants to sabotage the DeSantis campaign".
Even still we have a couple of the NT goobers blaming Pres. Trump for the current inflationary spending...derailing the thread so that it becomes "Orange Man Bad" again.
Don't fall for it, Sneaky. Please?
THEY are the core here now. They're Anarchists.
Pretend I’m the typical ninth grader
What does any of that mean? It seems like the MAGA crowd here only wants to hear the positive of Donald Trump’s record and his proposals, and become very defensive when his record and proposals are critiqued
Donald Trump signed on to spending bills that added $8 trillion to the debt. That’s not a personal attack. That is a fact back by data. Now he wants even more if he’s elected. That is a fact. We are reaping the “rewards” of that mindset
Donald Trump fought congressional Republicans who wanted to reduce the amount of Covid spending and sided with Democrats. That is backed by data and fact. And I know some don’t like to hear it, but printing trillions of dollars laid the groundwork for inflation. The reason why it stayed low during that time in 2020 is because the economy was shut down.
Donald Trump appointed people like Christopher Wray and General Miley. That is factual
Donald Trump said that if he’s reelected president that he would pressure the federal reserve or appoint somebody to the federal reserve that would reduce interest rates. In an inflationary economy, that would greatly harm savers. That is backed up by his own words.
He implemented tariffs the first time as president that caused harm to the economy. Now he wants even more. That will cause further harm to American consumers who are already struggling to pay for things. That is a fact.
While running for president, Donald Trump said that we would never default because we could just print all the money you need to pay creditors. That is backed up with his own words.
Pretty much every “attack” on Donald Trump I have seen here has been based on his record and his proposal he’s making now. Some just don’t like that. Too bad… So sad.
Now let’s look at the social issues. It isn’t clear with Donald Trump’s position is on abortion. Claiming he’s gonna make a deal at both sides would like is not a position. It’s a dodge
If one looks up thread, there was an article someone posted of where he is alluding to the fact that he’s gonna fight for “gay rights.” What does that even mean?
He sided with Disney over conservatives. He sided with Bud Light just because he got some campaign cash. He flipped his position on TikTok because… Donations. What other things is he going to change his position on if the price is right? It is a fair question.
He is far better on the border than Biden. I will give him that. But he deported less people than Barack Obama.
Now it’s your turn. @sneakypete
I’ve outlined my issues I have with Donald Trump, and none of them are false. Put here, his proposals and parts of his record that you think are going to save the country without mentioning Biden or vague phrases like “he’ll take on the left”
Ping me with your reply as I am sincerely interested
Then I got the ZOT. How ironic that I'm getting whacked to death by NTs! I'm amused at life's little ironies!
Who here is “whacking” you?
We’re in the midst of a presidential campaign were the stakes have never been higher. And not just the fiscal and economic end but also the cultural. I never thought I would ever see the day in this country we are actually debating that a man can menstruate and become pregnant and that kids as young as elementary school age should be sexualized. Chris Hansen owes a lot of predators an apology.
It is entirely fair and proper to look at both candidates records and proposals, and evaluate them not on the intentions, but on the results and potential consequences. Naturally, it is expected that it’s going to get heated as there are differences even amongst conservatives on what path to take.
You are correct that some of the points do tend to get repeated. But I guess that’s the nature of a political forum.
Does anyone find it at least a bit curious that 4 members replied to this poll by saying they will vote Biden? Would they reveal themselves it could be an interesting conversation.
I've been in this position before. Only then I was getting whacked to death by Trumpers. Then I got the ZOT. How ironic that I'm getting whacked to death by NTs! I'm amused at life's little ironies!
Conservatives DO fight. Conservatives DO change hearts and minds.
Unfortunately, so do idiot populists chasing after shiny shit. This has always been the case. Pinocchio is a good example from before this era.
That is a very bright spot - and light once uncovered, springs to every corner in the room. I too take great solace from this action, which seems to have sprung from the very bosom of liberty, and that without a sponsor. THAT is liberty fighting back. Natively.The advantage lies in its organic nature, not some construct that someone can claim to be 'the leader' of, start collecting donations and put up a website. Not only that, but it doesn't cost anything to join the movement. It is a rallying point where all can quietly make their protest known without standing in line or the rain and without worrying about being jostled into a felony or an overzealous cop. Everyone can do it, and there is no one for the counterprotestors to attack.
@libertybeleGet a .30 caliber ammo can and put it in that. It just goes dark on the network.
Problem I see is that it's like planting your corn crop in October...complete failure and waste.
There's no time left for growing things. Only way to succeed is thru the point of a gun and like I stated earlier upthread...technology forbids its success.
Groups like the ones meeting at John Adams' Tavern would have to leave their cell phones at home with the batteries displaced. Even doing that is no guarantee today.
Conservatives lecture --- in the most off-putting ways possible.
Pro-tip: People ignore the books you insist they read to fully understand the complexities of conservative philosophy they intrinsically know and call common sense ----- and turn away from conservatives as they do any blowhard. You win no heart, no mind, no vote.
MAGA supporters are fighting for freedom, limited government influence, the rule of law as enshrined in the US Constitution, the American legacy and inheritance, the inalienable right to live a life surrounded by God, country and family without intrusion by overlords ----- and you call this "shiny shit".
The Founding Fathers and original Minutemen are a good examples from before this era ----- MAGA is from their political bloodline. These are the people you call "idiots".
The advantage lies in its organic nature, not some construct that someone can claim to be 'the leader' of, start collecting donations and put up a website. Not only that, but it doesn't cost anything to join the movement. It is a rallying point where all can quietly make their protest known without standing in line or the rain and without worrying about being jostled into a felony or an overzealous cop. Everyone can do it, and there is no one for the counterprotestors to attack.
@sneakypete
So happy to see you have joined the current conversation again.
Noticed that you were an island for the past two months....virtually the only one taking on the crazy NTs.
As @AllThatJazzZ recently suggested to @libertybele ... don't take the bait and return to the circular firing squad.
It's tired and it's boring as hell.
Nobody is going to persuade @roamer_1 that he's living in a fantasy today. "Pragmatism" is a foreign language and concept to him.
The vast majority of Briefers who agree with you and me have been cowed into silence in their quest to avoid confrontations.
It nauseates me. Ownership won't even acknowledge it in the name of "Free expression".
The NT's are their pets now, because without THEM...this place is a funeral parlor.
Even PM'd me when they suspended @Right_in_Virginia begging me to contact her to return because the place became an anti-Trump echo chamber. I did it gladly because...you don't treat a cornerstone of the forum like that just because of her political alignments.
How many times do they expect good people to "Turn the other cheek"? Being called "liars"..."Paid consultants to sabotage the DeSantis campaign".
Even still we have a couple of the NT goobers blaming Pres. Trump for the current inflationary spending...derailing the thread so that it becomes "Orange Man Bad" again.
Don't fall for it, Sneaky. Please?
THEY are the core here now. They're Anarchists.
That is pure and unadulterated BS @DCPatriot
Yes, @sneakypete held his own as the Supreme Trumper here on TBR only because you got banned for 'Not being able to play well with others', calling other Briefers azzholes for instance AND your sidekick RiV took weeks off a futile attempt to be noble.
The Integrity of TBR went UP in yall's absence as far as I am concerned.
Where did you hear this @corbe
He's making it up out of whole cloth.
Let's just ignore the stoner, okay?
@AllThatJazzZ
By the way, have I told you I like your screen name? How did you come up with it? Jazz fan?
Who is whacking you, @AllThatJazzZ ?
Then remain ignorant - especially of history, our greatest guide - and be on your way.
That is pure and unadulterated BS @DCPatriot
. . .
The Integrity of TBR went UP in yall's absence as far as I am concerned.
@DCPatriotQuoteWell, THAT was a telling post! First, I had no idea @Right_in_Virginia was suspended. I don't know what the circumstances were, but it's troubling to learn that.
@AllThatJazzZ
"Troubling" isn't a strong enough word.
Let's try "outrageous" and "unacceptable",and I ,for one,would like to know the reason for it.
I agree that it's tired and boring. The INCESSANT carrying on, saying the same thing over and over and just putting the words in different order, jumping in with an incendiary remark when the temperature has cooled and the dialog has become less contentious -- I can't help but notice some serious addiction to controversy. And the need for the last word? Dude! Don't get me started.QuoteI've been in this position before. Only then I was getting whacked to death by Trumpers. Then I got the ZOT. How ironic that I'm getting whacked to death by NTs! I'm amused at life's little ironies!
If that is true,how are you posting now?QuoteBut, yes, the unending griping, whining, accusing, name-calling, etc., tends to suck all the oxygen and the joy out of the room. I'm too old and life's too short to endure it. I enjoy a civil exchange of ideas. But I won't go back for more if it becomes abusive.
I agree with you on that. I don't mind the name-calling as much as I mind the absolutely mind-numbing brain-lock of some of those people who CLAIM to be adults. They need to WTFU and realize they are living in a real world,with real people who have real problems.
Frankly,I am getting so tired of arguing with minds locked away in fantasy worlds,but I am tempted to just give up because NONE of these people are going to EVER "look reality in the face" and realize that "quiting ain't winning,and they are quitters"
Sooo,bleep them one and all. I am pretty much done trying to reason with the unreasonable. Oh,I might read a world-class stoopid post by one of them and respond with ridicule occasionally,but I am done trying to reason with them.
No, @Hoodat. Not opening that can of worms. And no, I didn't get my tomato plants out. Not growing anything but chives, rosemary and basil these days. Maybe some mint.Well, there is still plenty of time. My tomatoes won't go in until late May (last frost is usually out to the second week of June, here).
Nobody is going to persuade @roamer_1 that he's living in a fantasy today. "Pragmatism" is a foreign language and concept to him.
Pragmatism? Seriously? You wouldn't know 'pragmatism' if it bit you on the ass. @roamer_1 is probably the most pragmatic poster here. No beating around the bush with him. He is the polar opposite of you. When it comes to problems, he provides a direct solution. Contrast that against your approach to completely ignore (or excuse) anything that gets in the way of your hero worship.
Take the deficit for example. Let's hear some of your wonderful 'pragmatism' on that. What is your matter-of-fact solution to that?
Oh wait, you're already on record here defending Trump's $3 trillion deficits, lest making pragmatic budget decisions would hurt him in the polls.
Pragmatism? From you? Please.
If that is true,how are you posting now?
@sneakypeteQuoteSo happy to see you have joined the current conversation again.
@DCPatriot
Thank you,but I have just about ran out of patience. You can NOT reason with closed minds,so why even bother to try?
Especially when most of them don't even seem to HAVE minds that can focus on anything but "Me,me,ME,DAMMIT!"
Noticed that you were an island for the past two months....virtually the only one taking on the crazy NTs.
As @AllThatJazzZ recently suggested to @libertybele ... don't take the bait and return to the circular firing squad.
It's tired and it's boring as hell.
Nobody is going to persuade @roamer_1 that he's living in a fantasy today. "Pragmatism" is a foreign language and concept to him.QuoteThe vast majority of Briefers who agree with you and me have been cowed into silence in their quest to avoid confrontations.
I don't think anyone is cowed into anything. I think they are,like me,getting tired of butting their heads against brick walls. It doesn't hurt the bricks,and it damn sure doesn't do YOU any good. Keep doing it and you will become as backassward stoopid as they are.QuoteIt nauseates me. Ownership won't even acknowledge it in the name of "Free expression".
It nauseates me also,but "Ownership" IS doing the right thing. You either have a board where it is safe and accepted for members to post their opinions,or you don't. You can't have it both ways.
Granted,this is a lot like dancing on the head of a needle. I can't even begin to imagine how frustrated she must be by now.QuoteThe NT's are their pets now, because without THEM...this place is a funeral parlor.
I disagree. I don't think ANYONE is "managements pets". This is just the crap you have to deal with in order to have free speech. Yes,there IS a limit and I think we all know what those limits are (talking about building bombs,killing people,etc,etc,etc) and most of us try to stick to them.
But if you want an answer/solution to that problem other than banning anyone that doesn't agree with the majority,I can't help you because I don't have a clue and honestly have no interest in posting to or reading the posts in a "closed room where no opinions are allowed other than those of the "in crowd of zombies".
I will probably be dropping out for the most part shortly,due to having other issues to deal with that are more important,NOT because I have been banned or because I have given up. I just have more important things to focus on in "real life".QuoteEven PM'd me when they suspended @Right_in_Virginia begging me to contact her to return because the place became an anti-Trump echo chamber. I did it gladly because...you don't treat a cornerstone of the forum like that just because of her political alignments.
How many times do they expect good people to "Turn the other cheek"? Being called "liars"..."Paid consultants to sabotage the DeSantis campaign".
I am GUESSING the majority of those loons are really leftists trying to disrupt a conservative board. The ONLY way to defeat them is to ignore them. That is something that is VERY hard for me to do,but I'm going to give it my best shot. After all,how can you reason with anyone whose goal is to be unreasonable?QuoteEven still we have a couple of the NT goobers blaming Pres. Trump for the current inflationary spending...derailing the thread so that it becomes "Orange Man Bad" again.
They will never admit it,even to themselves,but all that is based on jealousy. Trump is not only rich,which THEY will never be,but he even had the GALL to inherit wealth!
The SCOUNDREL!
HOW DARE HE DO SUCH A THING WHILE THEY HAVE TO SCRAMBLE TO LIVE!
WHO THE HELL DOES HE THING HE IS,A FREE CITIZEN?QuoteTHEY are the core here now. They're Anarchists.
Sadly,I agree,but I have other things to concern myself with that are more important than a public message board,and I suspect that is true of others,also.
@sneakypeteQuoteIt wasn't TBR that ZOTTED me. It was TOS.
My apologies to TBR.
As for TOS,anybody with a mind has been zotted from there.
And while I've got your attention -- and maybe I'm the only one -- when you put your responses inside the quote you're responding to, it gets very confusing for me. At times I have a hard time differentiating between the original quote and your response. Any chance you'd entertain the thought of putting your response below the quoted text?
ROFL!
I'm pragmatic enough to know you ain't going to change anything without winning elections.
I'm pragmatic to understand that this coming Election is a binary choice between MAGA philosophy and outright American Communism.
If you're too stupid to accept that, then STFU and let the adults converse.
My observations 111 votes in now....
1. I set this poll up to include Guests. I seriously doubt that any conservatves are going to choose options 3,4,5... That eliminates 15% of the baseline. (16)
2. Another 10%+ apparently might be staying home. (12)
3. Of the remaining 83 core participants,
*(12) 19% are voting enthusiastically for DJT.
*(13) 20% are voting for DJT as a lesser of evils
*(50) 61% will skip voting for DJT and vote down ballot
My take is that Donald Trump has lost the support of many strong Conservatives. BUT... that does not necessarily mean he loses in November. As we approach November, I am guessing option 3 may shrink a bit. That is when the cold slap of a Biden reelection reality coming to fruition outweighs the significant negatives Conservatives see in him. A huge stat to watch for election day will be the GOTV stats around those significantly right of center. GOTV for Conservatives are historically at a tad aboove 70%. If we are in the vicintity of say 60% to low 60's% election night, this might create some problems for DJT.
OTOH, With the problematic issue of Conservatives comes the fact that much of this may be balanced because DJT has significantly improved his numbers with the other demographics that hurt him in the past.... Blacks, Hispanics, Labor, Moderates. If you believe national polls, Biden has hemorrhaged support in these groups. He's literally having to thread the needle of demographic crossover versus a strangely disgruntled tradional base.
If he can control his mouth, somehow counter the constant MSM propaganda, properly and manage the positive PR of the Warfare backlash issue.......I think he goes into the fall as a prohibitive favorite to win. Especially if we see RFK, Jr approaching near 10% of the vote.
My apologies to TBR.
As for TOS,anybody with a mind has been zotted from there.
And while I've got your attention -- and maybe I'm the only one -- when you put your responses inside the quote you're responding to, it gets very confusing for me. At times I have a hard time differentiating between the original quote and your response. Any chance you'd entertain the thought of putting your response below the quoted text?
I will if I can remember. I have chemo brain (and the anti-trumpers are ALREADY composing posts on that's why I am so stupid) and some days it's hard to remember things like that.
BUT.....,truthfully,I think the "inside is helpful for emphasis.
My take is that Donald Trump has lost the support of many strong Conservatives. BUT... that does not necessarily mean he loses in November. As we approach November, I am guessing option 3 may shrink a bit. That is when the cold slap of a Biden reelection reality coming to fruition outweighs the significant negatives Conservatives see in him. A huge stat to watch for election day will be the GOTV stats around those significantly right of center. GOTV for Conservatives are historically at a tad above 70%. If we are in the vicintity of say 60% to low 60's% election night, this might create some problems for DJT.
If he can control his mouth, somehow counter the constant MSM propaganda, properly and manage the positive PR of the Warfare backlash issue.......I think he goes into the fall as a prohibitive favorite to win. Especially if we see RFK, Jr approaching near 10% of the vote.
@catfish1957
I think that it is definitely possible for Trump to win. But it sucks that we are even in this position. A Conservative like Noem or DeSantis would be blowing it out of the water in a head-to-head against Biden.
I STILL don't think Biden is going to be the Dim candidate. IMNSHO,he is going to step down at the last minute due to "health issues",and the Dims are going to spring a new Dim candidate on us that is semi-rational,even if he,OR SHE. is a Dim.
Lol, I am just mad that DC didn't include me in the "lost" column.
@Hoodat
ROFLMAO!
I'm pragmatic to understand that this coming Election is a binary choice between MAGA philosophy and outright American Communism.
If you're too stupid to accept that, then STFU and let the adults converse.
I was in full agreement 3 months ago. But, the only candidate (IMO) that would be able to pull this off logistically was Michelle Obama. She has gone strongly on record that she will not be a candidate under any circumstance. Can we 100% beleive her? Of course not. But I seriously doubt she gets drafted
But if we do take her at her word, when you look at the democratic bench strength, you are looking at light weights like Newsome , Whitmer, and Kamala Harris. With this massive left turn from the democratic party, they have painted themselves into a corner of creating a ledger of un-electable POTUS bullpen
3. Of the remaining 83 core participants,
*(12) 19% are voting enthusiastically for DJT.
*(13) 20% are voting for DJT as a lesser of evils
*(50) 61% will skip voting for DJT and vote down ballot
@HoodatLet me put it this way, because I get what is being said.
ROFLMAO!
@catfish1957
Yeah,but how can they expect to elect a babbling fool,and there is no way in HELL that Slow Joe can live through a campaign. He is just too old and too feeble.
BUT.......,time will tell.
Pulled (questionable) it off in 2020.
How he does it? Do his basement strategy 75% of the time and rely on surrogates. The other 25% of the time, dope him up like the SOTU address. That'll give the MSM enough carefully placed sound bites to carry him over the finish line. Then have the MSM jackals continue their 24/7 assault on Trump
Don't worry Pete.... This all has been thought through in great detail.
Let me put it this way, because I get what is being said.
Would you vote against DeSantis or Noem if they were the candidates (say, if something happened to Trump and he was unable to run)?
@Smokin Joe
I honestly don't know. DeSantis is a posing POS that has NO moral core whatsoever. He will say or do ANYTHING to promote DeSantis.
And I actually know nothing about Noem. I don't see how he could be a bigger scum bag than DeSantis,so I probably would vote for him if there were no other choice.
My observations 111 votes in now....
1. I set this poll up to include Guests. I seriously doubt that any conservatves are going to choose options 4,5,6... That eliminates 15% of the baseline. (16)
2. Another 10%+ apparently might be staying home. (12)
3. Of the remaining 83 core participants,
*(12) 19% are voting enthusiastically for DJT.
*(13) 20% are voting for DJT as a lesser of evils
*(50) 61% will skip voting for DJT and vote down ballot
My take is that Donald Trump has lost the support of many strong Conservatives. BUT... that does not necessarily mean he loses in November. As we approach November, I am guessing option 3 may shrink a bit. That is when the cold slap of a Biden reelection reality coming to fruition outweighs the significant negatives Conservatives see in him. A huge stat to watch for election day will be the GOTV stats around those significantly right of center. GOTV for Conservatives are historically at a tad aboove 70%. If we are in the vicintity of say 60% to low 60's% election night, this might create some problems for DJT.
OTOH, With the problematic issue of Conservatives comes the fact that much of this may be balanced because DJT has significantly improved his numbers with the other demographics that hurt him in the past.... Blacks, Hispanics, Labor, Moderates. If you believe national polls, Biden has hemorrhaged support in these groups. Trump is literally having to thread the needle of demographic crossover versus a strangely disgruntled tradional base.
If he can control his mouth, somehow counter the constant MSM propaganda, properly and manage the positive PR of the Warfare backlash issue.......I think he goes into the fall as a prohibitive favorite to win. Especially if we see RFK, Jr approaching near 10% of the vote.
@catfish1957
Your take on this poll on this board. Remember that this board was largely made up of people who were shown the door at another site because they weren't in the Trump camp. Any poll here would tend to be skewed as a result. You could actually say that Trump did better than expected in this TBR poll.
I honestly don't know. DeSantis is a posing POS that has NO moral core whatsoever. He will say or do ANYTHING to promote DeSantis.See, here's the problem. One term isn't going to fix America,not even with both houses of Congress fully on board. Way too much FUBAR at all levels of the Federal Government, in all agencies, and about half of that would have to go. Not just individuals who are effective agents of America's destruction, but whole agencies, likely some we haven't heard of, and their ties to all the unconstitutional shit going down that is really hurting the county right now.
And I actually know nothing about Noem. I don't see how he could be a bigger scum bag than DeSantis,so I probably would vote for him if there were no other choice.
Word...except for clarity if I may, @AllThatJazzZ
This board was a proud haven for Reaganite Republicans who realized and agreed with his dogma that you should never expect to get everything you want and/or need. "Compromise". He said that if you got even 75% of what you sought, consider it a victory.
It morphed from The GOP Briefing Room to simply the Briefing Room to accomodate certain cligues.
Certainly, culture and society have changed/evolved since he graced the Oval Office.
Heck...it's done a suicidal Thelma and Louise since Rush Limbaugh's passing.
Pretend I’m the typical ninth grader
What does any of that mean? It seems like the MAGA crowd here only wants to hear the positive of Donald Trump’s record and his proposals, and become very defensive when his record and proposals are critiqued
Donald Trump signed on to spending bills that added $8 trillion to the debt. That’s not a personal attack. That is a fact back by data. Now he wants even more if he’s elected. That is a fact. We are reaping the “rewards” of that mindset
Donald Trump fought congressional Republicans who wanted to reduce the amount of Covid spending and sided with Democrats. That is backed by data and fact. And I know some don’t like to hear it, but printing trillions of dollars laid the groundwork for inflation. The reason why it stayed low during that time in 2020 is because the economy was shut down. Trump, like Sanders and AOC, are believers of the modern monetary theory. But it never works in real life.
Donald Trump appointed people like Christopher Wray and General Miley. That is factual
Donald Trump said that if he’s reelected president that he would pressure the federal reserve or appoint somebody to the federal reserve that would reduce interest rates. In an inflationary economy, that would greatly harm savers. That is backed up by his own words.
He implemented tariffs the first time as president that caused harm to the economy. Now he wants even more. That will cause further harm to American consumers who are already struggling to pay for things. That is a fact.
While running for president, Donald Trump said that we would never default because we could just print all the money you need to pay creditors. That is backed up with his own words.
Pretty much every “attack” on Donald Trump I have seen here has been based on his record and his proposal he’s making now. Some just don’t like that. Too bad… So sad.
Now let’s look at the social issues. It isn’t clear with Donald Trump’s position is on abortion. Claiming he’s gonna make a deal at both sides would like is not a position. It’s a dodge
If one looks up thread, there was an article someone posted of where he is alluding to the fact that he’s gonna fight for “gay rights.” What does that even mean?
He sided with Disney over conservatives. He sided with Bud Light just because he got some campaign cash. He flipped his position on TikTok because… Donations. What other things is he going to change his position on if the price is right? It is a fair question.
He is far better on the border than Biden. I will give him that. But he deported less people than Barack Obama.
Now it’s your turn. @sneakypete
I’ve outlined my issues I have with Donald Trump, and none of them are false. Put here, his proposals and parts of his record that you think are going to save the country without mentioning Biden or vague phrases like “he’ll take on the left”
Ping me with your reply as I am sincerely interested
When it comes to Covid policy, deficit spending, expanding government, deporting illegals, and stopping election fraud, where is there any contrast between Biden and Trump? At least with a DeSantis, you would have a clear choice when it came to stopping wokeness or reigning in government.
But when it comes to adults conversing, that pretty much ended after your first post. Things weren't going your way, so you did what you always do - try to get the thread locked, this time directly insulting the admin/mods. And you call that 'adult'? Yeah, right.
@catfish1957
Your take on this poll on this board. Remember that this board was largely made up of people who were shown the door at another site because they weren't in the Trump camp. Any poll here would tend to be skewed as a result. You could actually say that Trump did better than expected in this TBR poll.
@AllThatJazzZ
Disgree... well 90% of that claim.
Don't forget that in last week's Mini-Super Tuesday that Trump failed to capture (depending on state) 20-25% of the GOP electorate, voting for another candidate , or even grim.... "other". This an entire week after Trump officially sealed the election, and easily at least a month when it was assured he wouldn't be stopped. 75-80% is dismal under these circumstances.
And in any group of conservatives, almost 2 in 3 refusing to vote for him? Your comment may have some merit, but based on the sample size, I seriously doubt we have 63 NT's here. I've have gone on record of saying that I am in the "Hold My Nose" camp. But this vote is as much if not more in that criteria than even my 2008 vote for McCain, or 2012 for Romney. I am that disgusted.
And your point about people here being shown the door elsewhere? That was 8 years ago. Heck most of us have forgotten man details of even a year ago. I stand by my analysis, and even this small sample size is indicitive of the larger problem Trump has with Conservatives. But if you had read further, I did mention that Trump has expanded his base to the center. I still think he has aa better than 50/50 chance to win. But it will happen without the support of Principled Conservatives.
Saying Trump did better than expected in this poll, does not pass the "Red Faced Test". Any gathering of Republicans where its candidate gets rebuked by 80% of particpants is proof of that.
IMO, should Biden lose, it’ll be evidence that the pro HAMAS wing of the party is stronger than we realize to the point that they refused to vote for Biden in places like Mich and Minnesota
Ever been to downtown Minneapolis? It’s Somalia of the north. BHO’s parting gift to America that just may bite Biden on the ass
Biden's gift to BHO is completing his transformation of America. Are you seriously paying attention to the number of ILLEGALS coming in and where they are taking hold? Even the MSM is reporting that mostly those coming in are males in their mid twenties to thirties. Expect an uprising, and yes Hàmas and other subversive groups are much stronger than most want to believe.
Yet, all in all, BHO deported more people than TrumpThe country in general has had such an abrupt left wing turn, I feel we are riding this car on two wheels.
Yet, all in all, BHO deported more people than Trump
Well, he had 8 years to do so right?
"And I actually know nothing about Noem. I don't see how he could be a bigger scum bag than DeSantis,so I probably would vote for him if there were no other choice."
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@catfish1957
"He" sure cleans up nice,doesn't he?
I DO need to remind you that I wrote that "I know NOTHING about him."
I think this proves it.
@catfish1957
"He" sure cleans up nice,doesn't he?
I DO need to remind you that I wrote that "I know NOTHING about him."
I think this proves it.
@Lando Lincoln
I think someone said that the voting was open to guests, so it could be leftist lurkers who voted for him.
@catfish1957
"He" sure cleans up nice,doesn't he?
I DO need to remind you that I wrote that "I know NOTHING about him."
@AllThatJazzZ
I guess what threw me is the summary of the poll. At this moment, it says:
Total Members Voted: 112
Good catch. Didn't notice the "member" part of the summary. Maybe someone famliar with the poll dynamics program of the site might explain. I don't think we have 112 active posters here, but I might be wrong.
@catfish1957 I believe it was discovered many moons ago that a Guest could potentially skew the results of a Poll by using a VPN or clearing their browser cache. I could be mistaken. Management would have the answers.
@catfish1957 I believe it was discovered many moons ago that a Guest could potentially skew the results of a Poll by using a VPN or clearing their browser cache. I could be mistaken. Management would have the answers.
I picture Patrick Henry grabbing @roamer_1 by the neck and slapping the sh*t out of him. :laugh:
FWIW, I think this is very relevant to the current discussion on this thread.
https://twitter.com/tomgglass/status/1771753536482615516
Yes, very relevant, the only difference is that they escaped to a new land. We have no land to escape to.
Most excellent post, @Bigun
Very pertinent to our discussion.
I picture Patrick Henry grabbing @roamer_1 by the neck and slapping the sh*t out of him. :laugh:
I don't picture that at all @DCPatriot I picture Patrick respectfully but forcefully disagreeing with @roamer_1 just as he did the folks he was dealing with in 1775.
I picture Patrick Henry grabbing @roamer_1 by the neck and slapping the sh*t out of him. :laugh:
Henry:
Sir, we have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament.
Yes, very relevant, the only difference is that they escaped to a new land. We have no land to escape to.
@libertybele :beer:
They didn't escape to a "new land"...they protected the new land from a world power that wanted it returned under their domain.
BTW...am awestruck by his talent for oratory back in his day.
All we were taught by the Sisters of Mercy and the Jesuits was the last few words of it. "Give me Liberty or Give me Death".
Abraham Lincoln at Gettysburg was a piker comparatively. :laugh:
Patrick Henry slap Roamer? On the contrary, Henry would extend his hand and congratulate him on his refusal to compromise with evil.
Abraham Lincoln was a railroad mogul toadie.
Uh...listen up.
Saying you refuse to partake in voting for the candidate put forth in opposition to tyranny...is the epitome of "Tyranny".
You're all whiny little piss-pots. ...on wheels.
Except you are not opposing tyranny.
You're supporting a different tyrant.
You're all whiny little piss-pots. ...on wheels.
No...you're a spoiled brat running home to mommy throwing a tantrum because you aren't getting your way
Most excellent post, @Bigun
Very pertinent to our discussion.
I picture Patrick Henry grabbing @roamer_1 by the neck and slapping the sh*t out of him. :laugh:
You ought to be extremely cautious, watchful, jealous of your liberty; for instead of securing your rights, you may lose them forever.
-P. Henry-
The eternal difference between right and wrong does not fluctuate, it is immutable.
-P. Henry-
Bad men cannot make good citizens. A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience are incompatible with freedom.
-P. Henry-
The Bible is worth all the other books which have ever been printed.
-P. Henry-
All of these sound like things @roamer_1 would say. Patrick Henry and Roamer are one. If anyone was to get slapped by Patrick Henry, it would be those who say we must concede liberty out of political expedience.
No...you're a spoiled brat running home to mommy throwing a tantrum because you aren't getting your way
All of these sound like things @roamer_1 would say. Patrick Henry and Roamer are one. If anyone was to get slapped by Patrick Henry, it would be those who say we must concede liberty out of political expedience.
Nailed it. Roamer's every bit if not more of a patriot than 99+% of the fans of Orange Crush.
From @Bigun ’s post:
… different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope that it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen, if, entertaining as I do opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely and without reserve.
Patrick Henry
No. It is quite a matter of principle. I experienced Tumpy's tyranny under lockdown. I will not reward that behavior with my endorsement. Among other things, of course... But you can't begin to tell me you are standing against tyranny when my very eyes have seen the work of your tyrant.
HELL NO.
See, this is the bumper sticker bullshit I'm talking about. You have the balls to try to say y'all are standing with Patrick Henry - 'Murica - and cuss me, after every single damn one of us experienced the evil wrought during covid lockdowns. And your boy pulled that trigger.
You don't have a leg to stand on.
All of these sound like things @roamer_1 would say. Patrick Henry and Roamer are one. If anyone was to get slapped by Patrick Henry, it would be those who say we must concede liberty out of political expedience.
You and your bullsh*t "principle card". You sit on your high horse...nose in the air.
Take your principle and shove it.
It's Donald J. Trump this cycle or it's a knock on your outhouse door at 6AM by DHS. Anything else is cowardly and treasonous.
Furthermore my friend... if Donald Trump went the way of Sweden during Covid, you'd be claiming him to be a mass murderer, ala 4 Democrat governors.
From American history books:
Only one-third of Colonists ACTIVELY supported the American Revolution. One third didn't want to lose British 'protection'...one third simply STFU and went about their lives as nothing was happening.
In which group would YOU be?
Tantrum? You have done nothing but pollute this thread with your tantrums since your return. You are the one unable to accept the fact that there are posters here who won't vote for Democrat-lite. The rest of us here really don't give a damn that you're voting for Trump.
You are the one unable to accept the fact that there are posters here who won't vote for Democrat-lite
Nailed it. Roamer's every bit if not more of a patriot than 99+% of the fans of Orange Crush.
@Hoodat
No,you "purists" are the ones that are voting for Democratic-Lite AS WELL AS Democratic "full-strength" when you refuse to vote to oppose it.
So do your little "superiority dances" in you home in front of your mothers,because they will be the only ones that will appreciate it if the left continues to hold the WH come the next election.
You might want to try holding your breath until you turn blue and stamping your little feets in anger,while you are at it.
Here's an excellent lesson in how to win people over. It's from the chapter titled "What Not to Do." :whistle: Apparently y'all just can't help yourselves. :shrug:
Awww geez....you both should get a room! :laugh:
No,you "purists" are the ones that are voting for Democratic-Lite AS WELL AS Democratic "full-strength" when you refuse to vote to oppose it.
I tell you what, @sneakypete . Show me a candidate who opposes adding $8 trillion to the national debt in only four years in office, and I will vote for that candidate. Deal?
And so comes the 'purist' epithet. As if we haven't heard that before.
It's a Conservative site @sneakypete
Defend your boy according to Conservative principles.
I'll save you the time - You can't.
So you throw bullshit.
We are here to defend Conservatism. That hardly means voting for the opposite of it.
I tell you what, @sneakypete . Show me a candidate who opposes adding $8 trillion to the national debt in only four years in office, and I will vote for that candidate. Deal?
@roamer_1
Horse Hillary!
You are here to do your little "superiority dances" and play "Holier than thou" because it gives you wood.
Guess what,Bubba,politics is the art of compromise. This ain't no secret,so why don't you and your cult understand this if you are so freaking smart?
America is a nation of free people,not cogs in a machine. This means that SOME compromise is almost always necessary in order to get things done.
MOST people learn this by the time they are in the 5th grade.
Orange man is not popular with Conservatives...
...QuoteAnd there it is. See? You don't give a shit about Conservatism. Never have never will. That's why it s so easy for you (y'all) to slip that phony 'conservative mantle' on your boy... you know, the one y'all bought downtown off that little Vietnamese dude selling purses on the street corner, and figger that's all you need. Spout some 'Murica' platitudes, call on the ghost of Patrick Henry, and figger everybody's just gonna fall right in line and come on along.
@roamer_1
You are more full of BullBush than a Christmas Turkey.
I can't speak for anyone else,but *I* have NEVER claimed that Trump was a fiscal conservative. I have,and will CONTINUE to claim he is a HELL of a lot more conservative than any Dim he will be running against,so by refusing to vote for the most conservative candidate running,you choose to go home and hide in a closet and do your little superiority while "Rome burns".
The truth is,you and the other cretins who agree with you aren't superior to anyone,least of all anyone wanting to vote for the ONLY candidate that will be in a position to run against whatever globalist runs as a Dim.
The DNC wants to destroy America,and will do so if they win the next election,but you don't give a squat about America,all you care about is YOU.
QuoteBullshit. I fear Tumpy's jack-booted thugs just as much as I fear any . It was HE that shut down the country. HE shut my bank off. I had *NO MONEY* for three damn months, and you expect me to vote for MORE OF THAT? You must be smokin crack.
"Me,me,me,ME,IT'S ALL ABOUT ME,DAMMIT,and to hell with everyone else and the country!"QuoteIt really is funny. You come storming on here - Both of you... All three of you, and offer absolutely nothing in argument. Not single one.
There IS no valid argument against selfish,self-centered, and stupid.QuoteYou KNOW what we're saying is true. You have no defense against it.
ROFLMAO!QuoteSo instead of offering reason you come bringing epithets and accusations. *NOTHING MORE*
You have already lost the argument, because you offer nothing. You cannot defend your position on Conservative grounds so you may as well just walk off. You've already shown, over and over, you've got nothin.
Bullcrap. I have even DEFENDED him on occasion - I DEFENDED his initial position on covid, till he folded like a 2 dollar lawn chair... And YES, BTW, I would have him answer for the millions of deaths caused by outlawing antivirals. That was an evil as grim as any ever conceived. And he went along with it.
Blah,blah,blah.
Believe me... I stand close to Patrick Henry. I am the one not willing to move.
@Hoodat
Same old tired BS over and over.
Don't you know any other songs?
BTW,I hate to break it to you,but politics is about more than a budget. Politics is DEFINED as "the art of compromise". If you have a politician that can compromise on the smaller things and "win" on the more important things,you have a winner.
You don't give a damn about that OR the survival of America,though. All you and your cult REALLY care about is not having to pay taxes.
We are here to defend Conservatism.
Patrick Henry and @roamer_1 are on the same side.QuoteBoth choose freedom over slavery.
@Hoodat
That must be why you are willing to allow Biden to get re-elected,right?
Biden just seems like the kind of guy that Patrick Henry would pal around with,huh?QuoteI don't see Patrick Henry cowering from opposing big government with massive deficits and overt socialism because he's afraid it might cost him votes.
Yet that is EXACTLY what you want Trump to do,or you wouldn't be so mad about him being the Republican nominee.QuoteContrast that with the Trump zealots who can't even bring themselves to support a Conservative House Speaker or Senate Majority Leader because their king doesn't want it. Zealots who ridicule the concept of a balanced budget because people might get offended. Zealots who champion the slavery of massive debt with its obligatory interest extortion from future generations.
Translation: "Ahma skeered sumbody iz a gonna make me pay sum taxes!"QuotePatrick Henry slap Roamer? On the contrary, Henry would extend his hand and congratulate him on his refusal to compromise with evil.
THAT,right there is sum funny stuff!
Patrick Henry would run home and hide in the woods if he didn't get everything he wanted?
ROFLMAO!
Who *is* popular with "conservatives"?
Will the abandonment of your most sacred rights tend the security of your liberty? Liberty, the greatest of all earthly blessings—give us that precious jewel and you may take everything else. But I fear I have lived long enough to become an old-fashioned fellow. Perhaps an invincible attachment to the dearest rights of man may, in these refined, enlightened days, be deemed old-fashioned: if so, I am contented to be so.
All because we dare oppose liberal policies.
And so comes the 'purist' epithet. As if we haven't heard that before.
It's a Conservative site @sneakypeteQuoteDefend your boy according to Conservative principles.I'll save you the time - You can't.
So you throw bullshit.
We are here to defend Conservatism. That hardly means voting for the opposite of it.
BTW,I hate to break it to you,but politics is about more than a budget. Politics is DEFINED as "the art of compromise". If you have a politician that can compromise on the smaller things and "win" on the more important things,you have a winner.
You don't give a damn about that OR the survival of America,though.
All you and your cult REALLY care about is not having to pay taxes.
I tell you what, @sneakypete . Show me a candidate who opposes adding $8 trillion to the national debt in only four years in office, and I will vote for that candidate. Deal?
@roamer_1
You are more full of BullBush than a Christmas Turkey.
I can't speak for anyone else,but *I* have NEVER claimed that Trump was a fiscal conservative. I have,and will CONTINUE to claim he is a HELL of a lot more conservative than any Dim he will be running against,so by refusing to vote for the most conservative candidate running,you choose to go home and hide in a closet and do your little superiority while "Rome burns".
The truth is,you and the other cretins who agree with you aren't superior to anyone,least of all anyone wanting to vote for the ONLY candidate that will be in a position to run against whatever globalist runs as a Dim.
The DNC wants to destroy America,and will do so if they win the next election,but you don't give a squat about America,all you care about is YOU.
"Me,me,me,ME,IT'S ALL ABOUT ME,DAMMIT,and to hell with everyone else and the country!"
There IS no valid argument against selfish,self-centered, and stupid.
@sneakypete
It’s painfully obvious that you have no grasp of economics
Every taxpayer owes the federal government roughly $260,000. They are not going to get enough money to cover the spending through taxation without harming the economy. So the federal government has to print and borrow to cover the massive deficits. The interest on the debt is just about equal to what we spend on our military.
That has a negative impact on the long-term health of the economy and the standard living of the American people.
When it comes to the economy, both Biden and Trump are not that far apart. Trump is better on the regulatory front than Biden. But then he wants protectionist tariffs that would offset that
There is a narrow window of where I could change my mind on voting for Trump. And I have outlined it here.
But if you disagree that maintaining debt to GDP ratio of well over 100% isn’t a big deal and that we can print the money we need with no ill effect, by all means, tell us why
@roamer_1
Of course you do!
Everybody knows that Patrick Henry was a self-centered surrender monkey who would just go hide at home and sulk if he didn't get everything he wanted,right?
@LMAO
Yeah,and refusing to vote for the most conservative candidate running and allowing a globalist take over of America is going to balance the budget,huh?
Good thinking!
That must be why you are willing to allow Biden to get re-elected,right?
This makes no sense
And yet, unless someone has a big, bright "C" emblazoned on his or her lapel, you're unable to recognize a conservative.
@LMAO
Yeah,and refusing to vote for the most conservative candidate running and allowing a globalist take over of America is going to balance the budget,huh?
Good thinking!
@Hoodat
No,you're not. You oppose liberal polities by voting for the least liberal candidate,not running home and hiding in the bathroom and holding your breath until you turn blue if you don't get everything you want.
Got news for you bubba,NOBODY gets everything they want in a democracy.
What YOU and your cohorts seem to want is a police state on the right that doesn't charge YOU taxes,yet still seems to have the money to build roads,provide electricity,police,fire departments,an effective military,etc,etc,etc,and all it for FREE!
Apple pie with ice cream and caramel sauce is now being served in the Lounge. :whistle:
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This makes no sense
Uh, no. I supported the candidate who opposed Biden's policies. Yet you support a candidate that shares them. Biden is giving Trump a good run when it comes to deficit spending. It's a very close race. Biden could possibly pull it off and beat Trump's debt number. But it isn't for certain. Trump still holds the record at a mind-blowing $8 trillion. Even Obama is envious of that.
Oh, I'll definitely be voting for the most Conservative candidate running.
Liberal to the left, Liberal to the right. Conservatism under the bus. No sense in supporting any of that.
So in conclusion, this is what we’ve established
It has been proven that on social issues, Donald Trump tends to lean left of center.
On illegal immigration, although better than Biden, deported fewer illegal immigrants in his first four years then Obama did in his first four years despite he making bold claims of deportation in his 2016 campaign
Plenty has been said about his monetary and fiscal policy
On Covid, he was closer to the Democrats than many Republicans, both on a gubernatorial level and congressional level.
When an employer seeks to hire an employee, he interviews that employee. He checks out that employees work record and backgroundQuoteWe should do no less for somebody running to lead the country, especially in these times
@LMAO
Yet,we either root for and play with the team we have,or to just go home and suck our thumbs and let everybody else decide who is going to win.
@Hoodat
Guess what,Homer.
America is about more than the next budget.
It ain't all about "Me,me,ME,DAMMIT!"
I have over and over,but you are just too self-centered and selfish to understand it.
THE "Number One Rule" of politics is "You have to win or you can't do ANYTHING".
This means voting for the most conservative candidate,not going home and huddling in your shack if you don't get to vote for perfection.
As a wise man once noted,"The search for perfection is the enemy of the search for good".
Guess what,bubba? You are those who agree with you are helping destroy America by sitting at home and letting the DNC steal another election.
AND......,when this happens,I do NOT want to see or hear one single minute of your whining about anything they say or do.
Plus, I hear there’s pie somewhere
22 pages with the same arguments over and over again...Many threads on the forum that may peak your interest besides this one.. :shrug:
btw there is no one is this room named *Bubba*
@roamer_1
MUCH mo betta to just go home and hide,huh?
Then,after the election,you can emerge and tell everyone how THEY were wrong.
@Hoodat
Guess what,Homer.
America is about more than the next budget.
@roamer_1
MUCH mo betta to just go home and hide,huh?
Then,after the election,you can emerge and tell everyone how THEY were wrong.
@LMAO
Yet,we either root for and play with the team we have,or to just go home and suck our thumbs and let everybody else decide who is going to win.
Yet,we either root for and play with the team we have, or . . .
Policy arguments, while valid, ignore the real threat of another Trump term. He is a lunatic, and there will be nobody in his cabinet or the republican caucus to resist his destructive impulses. The GOP would be a permanent subsidiary of the Trump family, having no use for conservative ideals, and existing only to provide jobs for his slope-headed children. That is, until its cult leader does something truly abominable, leading to a generation of progressive government.
Or we get a new team.
Policy arguments, while valid, ignore the real threat of another Trump term. He is a lunatic, and there will be nobody in his cabinet or the republican caucus to resist his destructive impulses. The GOP would be a permanent subsidiary of the Trump family, having no use for conservative ideals, and existing only to provide jobs for his slope-headed children. That is, until its cult leader does something truly abominable, leading to a generation of progressive government.
@catfish1957
A blatant lie!
If you believe that,you believe that I am not a patriot,not to mention many others who post on this board as well as the lurkers.
No, @sneakypete , I am standing directly on principle, which I have given reason to, all the way along.
There is plenty of room for compromise once the basic unmovable principles of Conservatives are met.
@roamer_1
ROFLAMO! So,you say you are willing to compromise as long as everyone agrees with you?
Gee,watta deal!
You can't see it,but what you are demanding is fascism. Nobody gets what they want but you.
@sneakypete
It’s painfully obvious that you have no grasp of economics
So in conclusion, this is what we’ve establishedQuoteIt has been proven that on social issues, Donald Trump tends to lean left of center.
No,it hasn't. What has been proven is that Trump knows he has to compromise on some things to get his way on others. That is the way democracies work.QuoteOn illegal immigration, although better than Biden, deported fewer illegal immigrants in his first four years then Obama did in his first four years despite he making bold claims of deportation in his 2016 campaign
Do you think we elect Presidents,or dictators?
Only dictators have the power you seem to think that Trump had.
QuoteOn Covid, he was closer to the Democrats than many Republicans, both on a gubernatorial level and congressional level.
I don't know,but I am guessing that was a compromise he had to make in order to get something else done.QuoteWhen an employer seeks to hire an employee, he interviews that employee. He checks out that employees work record and background
We should do no less for somebody running to lead the country, especially in these times
"We,who?
You?
WTH makes you think that YOU are qualified to determine who should run for President and who shouldn't?
I have downloading a bunch of music off Youtube (rare 80s junk nobody be me cares for).... and dang if Youtube is papering the wall with anti-Trump stuff no matter what search terms you use. Trump can't pay, will they start taking his property, countdown to Trump deadline, stocks tank... obscure liberal channels suddenly getting highlighted in recommendations...
Good grief, the constant bad publicity Trump got us.... I just wish he went away and let us put up a real conservative without all the baggage he gives the press.
That's right... Believe it or not, wandering in the wilderness doesn't scare me at all.
ROFLAMO! So,you say you are willing to compromise as long as everyone agrees with you?
Gee,watta deal!
You can't see it,but what you are demanding is fascism. Nobody gets what they want but you.
ROFL! That's because you've been doing that everyday in your own front yard
WTH are you talking about?
Trump can only serve ONE term,and then he is out of office.
This just gives us 4 years to come up with someone to replace him.
Granted that is not much time,but all we have now is a few more months before the next election. IF Biden or his replacement wins,chances are that will be our last actual election.
Who *is* popular with "conservatives"?
Just as an initial thught, RDS. Cruz, Cotton, Hawley, Rand Paul. And there are a few others.
You might want to crawl out from under that bridge from time to time since you can't think of any conservatives.
No conceit...just FACT:
Thread began on March 9th...took 13 days to reach 139 posts.
428 additional posts in 3 days since I jumped into the tread on March 21st. after a 2 month absence.
Agree with it or not...Who's the straw that stirs the drink around here?
Thanks for playing. wink777
No conceit...just FACT:
Thread began on March 9th...took 13 days to reach 139 posts.
428 additional posts in 3 days since I jumped into the tread on March 21st. after a 2 month absence.
Agree with it or not...Who's the straw that stirs the drink around here?
Thanks for playing. wink777
Agree with it or not...Who's the straw that stirs the drink around here?
Thanks for playing. wink777
Reggie Jackson was an AH. Hmmmmmm....
And you think people didn't catch on that you're a shit-stirrer? Puleeze.
lol
:beer:
@catfish1957
ROFL! :beer: I knew you'd pick up on the Reggie Jackson analogy. Good stuff, Cat!
I'm not naive enough to not realize that my style and bluntness pisses certain people off to no end.
When you get old and have already played the "back 9"...have your feet up by the fireplace in the clubhouse, you simply don't give a sh*t anymore
Example:
I, as well as any unabashed MAGA voter could have written the wonderful post by @Bigun many pages ago on this thread....the one where he lists all the reasons he will be voting come November... that even our esteemed owner who has all but avoided this thread like a plague, felt compelled to respond with "Excellent Post". So, too did @Hoodat ...the one that is so confused that he lets certain Trumpers dictate his vote.
@roamer_1 is a lost cause. An outlier. He thinks he's being noble with his rigid postures.
Ahhh...I could go on and on. Point being that if I would have posted Earl's list of reasons the aforementioned would have said "squat" and scrolled on by.
We simply recognize that Donald Trump is the only worthy candidate to take on the Deep State.
The bare naked truth is that the Democrats/Left also recognize it. Thus, the Soviet-style Lawfare going on right now.
My intent coming back from a 2 month lurking period was primarily to show support for both @sneakypete and @Right_in_Virginia who continue to be magnets for the NT dogpack in this forum...fully supported by Admin and Mods.
Again...I thank them for the opportunity and venue to share my feelings on this matter.
@catfish1957
ROFL! :beer: I knew you'd pick up on the Reggie Jackson analogy. Good stuff, Cat!
And exactly what are you @roamer_1
IMO, it's a case of "tomato" ... "Tomahto".
Only difference is that I'm an unabashed MAGA Patriot and you're a whiney little [Fill-in-the-blank]
I'll be well over 76 years old when election day rolls around this year and very likely won't live to see another. I sincerely wish the pickings were better, but they aren't, and I've made my choice. The one thing I absolutely refuse to do is not choose.
hopefully by 2028, [...] a conservative with broad appeal will emerge.
:beer:
I think you may have read earlier that I am relcutantly pulling the lever for Trump, and am not happy about it one iota. OTOH, I don't know if my blood pressure can hold up hearing Biden news four more years. I don't consider it a truly and traditonal binary call, but at least I think with Trump, the our demise can be slowed, and hopefully by 2028, a conservative with broad appeal will emerge.
The only one who tried to incinerate 81 million votes is your boy Donald. By the time he’s finished busting out the GOP there will be no point in running a candidate. However, as long as he is alive, it will have to be somebody in his circle of car salesmen and strip-club-waitresses-turned-politicians. Possibly Don Jr.
Just as an initial thught, RDS. Cruz, Cotton, Hawley, Rand Paul. And there are a few others.
Just as an initial thught, RDS. Cruz, Cotton, Hawley, Rand Paul. And there are a few others.
You might want to crawl out from under that bridge from time to time since you can't think of any conservatives.
No conceit...just FACT:
Thread began on March 9th...took 13 days to reach 139 posts.
428 additional posts in 3 days since I jumped into the tread on March 21st. after a 2 month absence.
Agree with it or not...Who's the straw that stirs the drink around here?
Thanks for playing. wink777
You might want to lower your snark @catfish1957 . Asking who "conservatives" actually like is a fair question since you all only bash Trump and his record ----
:beer:QuoteI think you may have read earlier that I am relcutantly pulling the lever for Trump, and am not happy about it one iota.
Other than Reagan,I honestly have a hard time remembering the last time I was happy about my voting choices.
Then again,a President doesn't serve to make voters happy. They serve,or are SUPPOSED to serve,to protect the US Constitution,and by extension,America as a free and independent nation of free people.
QuoteOTOH, I don't know if my blood pressure can hold up hearing Biden news four more years. I don't consider it a truly and traditonal binary call, but at least I think with Trump, the our demise can be slowed, and hopefully by 2028, a conservative with broad appeal will emerge.
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We’ll call you Reggie, lol.
Never gonna happen if we are satisfied to vote for the exact opposite.'You get more of what you vote for.
@roamer_1
Well,since you won't be voting for anything,nothing is what you will get.
And truthfully,I think it is all you want. I honestly think if your dream would come true you would be happy to take us all back to the 1800's because that is the imaginary world you live in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi-qWHR_wEg
@catfish1957
LOL!
I have no doubt any of them could get DOZENS of votes. Maybe not RDS or Rand Paul,though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi-qWHR_wEg
I believe it's called debating. happy77
Ever heard kids sing this sh__ an hour at a time? Thanks!! /s
I could have gone along with that about 12-15 pages ago. Now it's taken on the characteristics of a soap opera; you can tune in at any point and be caught up to date because you've seen it over and over and over and over again. Click on any page and you won't read anything new. Just snark, accusations, name-calling, one-upsmanship...
Why care? Go find another thread if you don't like it.
I'm bored. I'm hungry for some intellectual stimulation.
So you're here? On this thread. :pondering:
Desperately trying to untangle y'all from this merry-go-round and asking that y'all spread all that intellectual prowess around the board. It's disconcerting to look at the last 20 posts and see that 90% of them are on THIS THREAD!!
Desperately trying to untangle y'all from this merry-go-round and asking that y'all spread all that intellectual prowess around the board. It's disconcerting to look at the last 20 posts and see that 90% of them are on THIS THREAD!!
888high58888
:beer: Luv yah, @LMAO !!
I'll be well over 76 years old when election day rolls around this year and very likely won't live to see another. I sincerely wish the pickings were better, but they aren't, and I've made my choice. The one thing I absolutely refuse to do is not choose.
Same. Yep, same. I live in a battleground state and someone from Door A or Door B will emerge a winner. I will choose the one that gives me and mine the best chance to fight another day. I refuse to cede any advantage to Biden. I will live with that choice. I will vote, good Lord willing, for DJT.
I respect the principled position of others.
The conventions and the elections will be $h!t-$how$.
The national parties are messes.
Federal instiutions are messes.
What's the point of having a GOP majority in the House if they are going to cave to the US Senate and the White House?
The House has ceded too much of its institutional independence for "party unity".
The American people want their candidates and their caucus to fight for them ... we want legislation with debate and amendment on the House Floor.
If House bills are going to be unwritten, undebated, un-amended backroom "frameworks", there's no need to pay to have C-Span televise House sessions if House business is not going to be done in public.
Immigration is a hill worth dying on. Make Biden explain to the American people his rationale for making his Open Borders a higher priority than a Federal Budget, Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan?
Put Biden on the defensive. Hammer the White House and the US Senate with the costs and consequences of Biden's Open Borders.
Write an immigration bill, with debate and amendment on the Floor, and throw it over to the US Senate and the White House to publicly defend Open Borders.
Don't worry about every bill passing. Each defeated bill is a starting point for the next version of that bill.
To play field position football, we need to be willing to run the ball. We will not gain 10 yards on every down, but will move the ball forward for the next down, while grinding down Dem and RINO defense.
House GOP needs to attack attack attack ... passing bill after bill after bill ... regardless of whether it will be passed in the US Senate or signed by the President. Force the opposition to constantly be on defense.
The strategy of field position football is to win the game by keeping the other team's offense off the field.
Same. Yep, same. I live in a battleground state and someone from Door A or Door B will emerge a winner. I will choose the one that gives me and mine the best chance to fight another day. I refuse to cede any advantage to Biden. I will live with that choice. I will vote, good Lord willing, for DJT.
I respect the principled position of others.
Apparently that's what those members want to debate. It's up to them. :shrug:
Perhaps you may want to post and start new threads in different categories ????
As do I and, with that, I'm done with this thread.
Desperately trying to untangle y'all from this merry-go-round and asking that y'all spread all that intellectual prowess around the board. It's disconcerting to look at the last 20 posts and see that 90% of them are on THIS THREAD!!
Trump deserves bashing. Most of his policies turned to mud. He ran up the deficit. He attacks conservatives. Right now he's funneling funds from the RNC to help pay for his legal bills.
@Bigun
888high58888
Beware. Avert your eyes. They will try to draw you back in. You must be strong! :silly:
As do I and, with that, I'm done with this thread.@Bigun I have been reading it...
The first couple of points are the predictable, vacuous broad brushed nonsense we're used to enduring. But, it seems you slipped in something new here @libertybele ----- Please post a link with information on "funneling funds". I'd like to take a closer look at this to determine how this bullshit was set in motion.
Thanks.
@Bigun I have been reading it...
But somewhere I was told (excessive) mass debating will make you go blind.
I already need glasses, so I'm outta here.
I couldn't agree with you more. The GOP has a very slim majority in the House to begin with and too many RINO's...both Speakers were worthless. For that matter most of the GOP have proven to be pretty darn worthless - unfortunately the time to replace them at the ballot box has come and gone. We have to work with what we've got so, again, it is more important to vote in as many conservatives as possible down ballot than spending so much time and $$ worrying about Trump. Just my opinion.
@libertybele
Trump is only important because his election gives America 4 more years to try to turn the helm so the USS America sails from left to right. (port to starboard?)
He is a placeholder until we can do better.
@libertybele
Trump is only important because his election gives America 4 more years to try to turn the helm so the USS America sails from left to right. (port to starboard?)
He is a placeholder until we can do better.
@libertybele
Trump is only important because his election gives America 4 more years to try to turn the helm so the USS America sails from left to right. (port to starboard?)
He is a placeholder until we can do better.
You do realize that the USS America sailed leftward during his last 4 years in office, right? Never in my lifetime did I imagine people would be denied their livelihood for refusing to be injected with an experimental genetic program.
... And we could have had DeSantis, who is driving Florida to the Right with a sledgehammer.
But no... 'placeholder'. *****rollingeyes*****
Oh boy… placeholder.
Placeholder? Perhaps at this point in time that's the best we may have going for us, but even at that, I believe it is more important to secure a majority in either the Senate or House. Both would be quite an accomplishment.
You do realize that the USS America sailed leftward during his last 4 years in office, right? Never in my lifetime did I imagine people would be denied their livelihood for refusing to be injected with an experimental genetic program.
Wouldn't have needed a damn 'placeholder' if y'all hadn't insisted on Tump.
... And we could have had DeSantis, who is driving Florida to the Right with a sledgehammer.
But no... 'placeholder'. *****rollingeyes*****
NO President can accomplish much if his own party doesn't back him or her.
But Trump did accomplish much. He moved us further leftward. And he added $8 trillion to the national debt.
@roamer_1
DeSanctimonious???????
ROFLMAO!
Yeah,another self-serving backstabbing little weasel would have really fixed things up,huh?
That’s the most disappointing.
Do ya think that MAYBE Congress had just a LITTLE something ta do wid dat?
After all,last I heard,they are the ones that pass or reject spending bills.
Yes ma'am, it is. More so than Cruz. Two bulletproof Conservatives in a row. *SMH*
Placeholder.
@roamer_1
Ok,bubba,explain that to the rest of us,and try to not add any magical super heroes or creatures flying to your hero's aid from their office windows any time he is in trouble.
@roamer_1
DeSanctimonious???????
ROFLMAO!
Yeah,another self-serving backstabbing little weasel would have really fixed things up,huh?
Just look at how well he did against the other candidates.
Didn't he come in last,with virtually nobody but his mama and his wife supporting him?
The so called “placeholder” doesn’t work
What will happen, and we’ve already seen this, if Trump wins, Democrats come back in the 2026 midterms and then again in 2028. That Democrat in 2028 will get a potential two terms
The idea that a conservative will follow four years of Donald Trump is poppycock. Historically, with the exception of George Herbert Walker Bush following Reagan, the opposite party usually wins an open presidential election.
After Eisenhower served two terms, Kennedy followed. After Clinton served two terms,GWB followed. Get the picture
The two worst scenarios is Biden winning reelection with a Democrat Congress, and Trump winning the election with a Democrat Congress. In the case of Biden, he’ll get everything he wants. In the case of Trump, he’ll “compromise” with them on many issues vs oppose them. We’ve seen this already
In truth, the best case scenario is Biden re-elected with a large enough GOP Congress willing to oppose him. One of the dangers of Donald Trump with a GOP Congress is that they would feel pressured to go along with some of his nonsensical ideas or risk being primaried
So you would rather have a candidate with a proven track record of moving us leftward instead of a candidate with a proven track record of moving us rightward?
Oh, and again for the umpteenth time, when did DeSantis stab anyone in the back? You keep tossing out this claim. But each and every time, you fail to offer a credible explanation, especially since it has been pointed out to you multiple times that Trump turned on DeSantis long before he decided to join the race. If anyone is a backstabber here, it is Trump.
Even Mitt Romney ran to the right of Trump.
So you would rather have a candidate with a proven track record of moving us leftward instead of a candidate with a proven track record of moving us rightward?
Oh, and again for the umpteenth time, when did DeSantis stab anyone in the back? You keep tossing out this claim. But each and every time, you fail to offer a credible explanation, especially since it has been pointed out to you multiple times that Trump turned on DeSantis long before he decided to join the race. If anyone is a backstabber here, it is Trump.
Congress signed Trump's name at the bottom? You might want to go back and re-read your Constitution.
@Hoodat
Blah,blah,"ebil rude rich man",blah.
Play another tune.
Blah,blah,blah.
Same old "Evil Rude Rich Man" jealous nonsense over and over,no matter HOW you try to hide it.
QuoteTo be certain, the damage from another Biden term will be difficult if not impossible to repair. We needed a serious voice to counter his class warfare nonsense, a disciplined campaigner who was not beset with personal scandals, and someone who could put forth a positive vision for the next generation of voters.
@cato potatoe
Santa already has a job.QuoteInstead the republicans were bamboozled by a geriatric cartoon character, a man who thinks his sons should mutilate African leopards because it's covered by the second amendment. The dems have problems of their own, but not like ours. Even at this stage one can detect a tinge of panic setting in amongst Trump's core supporters, demanding we bail them out of their selection. Well, I'm sorry folks.
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Blah,blah,blah,blah.
Rude Rich Orange Man
@cato potatoe
Santa already has a job.
Blah,blah,blah,blah.
Rude Rich Orange Man
Helpful hint..... Add your response after the "" bracket. Or change the color the in the text in your response. Otherwise, it's tough to discern who is saying what.
Believe me, when it comes to that particular poster, we know whose saying what
@roamer_1
DeSanctimonious???????
ROFLMAO!
Yeah,another self-serving backstabbing little weasel would have really fixed things up,huh?
Just look at how well he did against the other candidates.
Didn't he come in last,with virtually nobody but his mama and his wife supporting him?
Believe me, when it comes to that particular poster, we know whose saying what
Stop with your cockamaney b.s. @sneakypete !!!
The stats in FL speak for themselves -- DeSantis has signed into law bills that are conservative; from immigration, to wokeness. People are fleeing blue states and moving here. That speaks volumes.
I thought that I was finished with this thread, but I cannot continue to read untruths about Florida and DeSantis that you continue to spew.
@libertybele
Uhhh,what spot did he land in when it came to his run for the Presidency?
I have acknowledged that DeSantis will not be the nominee. I get it. What you don't get is the fantastic job DeSantis is doing as governor. So, please stop spewing lies about him. Still calling him names and spewing lies is petty, ridiculous and childish.
This conversation is now over.
I have acknowledged that DeSantis will not be the nominee. I get it.QuoteWhat you don't get is the fantastic job DeSantis is doing as governor.
@libertybele
WRONG. He IS doing a fantastic job as Governor,but it's because that is his ONLY hope of being able to run for and win the Presidency.
IF his ego and ambition hadn't gotten in his way,I think there would have been a good chance of him becoming Trump's pick for his VP running mate.
The FACT that he stabbed Trump in the back because his ambition overrode what little common sense he had proves he is NOT "Presidential material".QuoteSo, please stop spewing lies about him.
I am NOT "spewing lies about him",although I can see how a Groupie like you might think that.QuoteStill calling him names and spewing lies is petty, ridiculous and childish.
Blah,blah,blah.QuoteThis conversation is now over.
It will never be over as long as fools support that backstabbing little weasel.
@libertybele
WRONG. He IS doing a fantastic job as Governor,but it's because that is his ONLY hope of being able to run for and win the Presidency.
IF his ego and ambition hadn't gotten in his way,I think there would have been a good chance of him becoming Trump's pick for his VP running mate.
The FACT that he stabbed Trump in the back because his ambition overrode what little common sense he had proves he is NOT "Presidential material".
I am NOT "spewing lies about him",although I can see how a Groupie like you might think that.
I have acknowledged that DeSantis will not be the nominee. I get it. What you don't get is the fantastic job DeSantis is doing as governor. So, please stop spewing lies about him. Still calling him names and spewing lies is petty, ridiculous and childish.
This conversation is now over.
"Every time I think I'm out...I get sucked back in!" Michael Corleone.
I feel the exact same way about Donald Trump.
Like it or not, he has done more for Conservatism than any POTUS since Ronald Reagan.
You're kidding, right?
Did George Herbert Walker Bush do more?
Did William Jefferson Clinton do more?
How about George W. Bush?
No wait, Silly me!...Shame on me! Must have been Barack Hussein Obama!
*****rollingeyes*****
Like it or not, he has done more for Conservatism than any POTUS since Ronald Reagan.
WHAT did he DO" I mean, actually do? Not what he said he could do... Not what he did with temporary EOs...
What did we get to keep once his foot crossed the threshold? I mean, OTHER than the utter fiscal devastation, the offenses to liberty over covid and the 8T in new debt and nearly 20 friggin trillion dollar cost?
One really great SCOTUS judge and abortion back to the states - And now he's trying to make abortion federal again, so even that don't count.
So tell me all the really great stuff we got done under Tumpy... Go ahead.
Not going to play your game, @roamer_1
You are compelled to always need the last word...no matter the topic/issue.
You wear down anybody that challenges your opinions...it's a game to you.
You're an antagonist and an anarchist.
Whenever you find yourself in a corner, you claim you stand on "principle" and resort to insults using inflammatory terms like "Tumpy"...with a sinsiter smile on your face knowing full well you're getting under their skin.
Screw you and the mule you're riding. :seeya:
You're kidding, right?
What did Ronald Reagan actually DO @roamer_1 ? ---- Other than increase the debt and ship arms to Iran?
You mean other than consolidate Conservatives, offering the Cristian Right a place at the Conservative table, jumping us out of nearly a decade long malaise into a vibrant economy that lasted for twenty years, winning the cold war and rebuilding a world class military to include strengthening international support from allies, the reduction in nuclear weapons and the strategic defense initiative? And that's just off the top of my head...
You mean other than consolidate Conservatives, offering the Cristian Right a place at the Conservative table, jumping us out of nearly a decade long malaise into a vibrant economy that lasted for twenty years, winning the cold war and rebuilding a world class military to include strengthening international support from allies, the reduction in nuclear weapons and the strategic defense initiative? And that's just off the top of my head...
You mean other than consolidate Conservatives, offering the Cristian Right a place at the Conservative table, jumping us out of nearly a decade long malaise into a vibrant economy that lasted for twenty years, winning the cold war and rebuilding a world class military to include strengthening international support from allies, the reduction in nuclear weapons and the strategic defense initiative? And that's just off the top of my head...
Well, don't forget under swampster Reagan, the federal workforce increased by about 324,000 to almost 5.3 million people.
Listen to yourself.
Did George Herbert Walker Bush do more?
Did William Jefferson Clinton do more?
How about George W. Bush?
No wait, Silly me!...Shame on me! Must have been Barack Hussein Obama!
*****rollingeyes*****
No. I want you to use the same matrix you use for Donald Trump's first four years on Ronald Reagan's eight years.
What did Reagan actually *DO* other than increase the debt, close mental health hospitals, and ship arms to Iran?
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Trump is still conducting his purges on various factions within the party, while his supporters fume about the lack of unity. :pop41:
Laurel Lee's crime: she endorsed DeSantis, before she eventually endorsed Trump. Keep in mind, DeSantis had appointed her secretary of state before she ran for an open congressional seat.
@libertybeleThe way I see it, if DeSantis wasn't doing such a good job as a conservative Governor in Florida, Trump would not have done his usual preemptive strike and gone all nuclear on the man with his usual ridicule tactics before DeSantis even declared candidacy.
Uhhh,what spot did he land in when it came to his run for the Presidency?
Indexed the tax tables.
Lifted price controls on domestic oil.
Seriously ripped off the Iranians on spare airplane parts that they used against Saddam Hussein.
Blocked the communist takeover of three Central American countries.
Ended Carter-inflation.
Oversaw the creation of 16 million jobs.
Double-digit growth rates.
Put Antonin Scalia on the Supreme Court
Won the Cold war.
I
Never in my wildest dreams did I ever imagine there would hear a member of this forum trashing Ronald Reagan.
****slapping 11513 *look* :#@$%: :banghead: 22222frying pan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVAvMIhvqfk
:laughingdog: :laughingdog: :laughingdog:
For somebody who complains about this thread going on and on, you sure frequent it.
A political thread discussing political issues… imagine that
The way I see it, if DeSantis wasn't doing such a good job as a conservative Governor in Florida, Trump would not have done his usual preemptive strike and gone all nuclear on the man with his usual ridicule tactics before DeSantis even declared candidacy.
Before anyone really knew who DeSantis is, they followed Trump's pep-rally style attack and turned into a jungle full of parrots.
Sorry, but that bullshit doesn't impress me, at least not in a good way. People who don't have material reasons to attack get personal and sophomoric in an effort to retain popularity. That's High School level shit, maybe Junior High.
I had Ted Cruz flashbacks, and I saw Trump unnecessarily making an enemy instead of an ally who could have been a damn good VP, learned the ropes and been the candidate in 2028. To me, attacking people who don't need attacking is bleep stupidity and not even good politics. It's shitting on the guy who could be next, just to somehow grab the spotlight today. I think they call that narcissism, but whatever you call it, it hurts us all in the long run.
Exactly. Trump's attacks on conservatives hurts us ALL in the long run. He doesn't care. He cares about himself and his wallet. Cruz would have made an excellent AG and cleaned house. DeSantis would have made an excellent president with youth being on his side as well.
LOL!
"Lies...Damned Lies...and Statistics"! :beer:
Hmmm... I have this can of gasoline...what to do with it.
TRUMP-GABBARD 2024!! :bolt:
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How anybody could suggest she is a "Trojan Horse" after viewing her interview by Tucker Carlson is beyond me.
Remember...Hillary called her a Russian Asset!! Right there should have gotten everybody's attention.
I would sleep like a baby knowing she was a heartbeat away from the presidency...unlike with Hillary where I would be hiding under the bed.
@DCPatriot
Noticed you haven't commented on the "commemorative bibles". Could you explain how that enamors himself with his "very religious" faction and core of his base?
Just who advises him on these matters?
lol... like her voting record as a liberal congresswoman from HI? Do you need links?
Just think how well Trump would have done, if had leveled the same volume of vitriol at the dims, as his primary opponents in '16 and '24.
@catfish1957
So, IOW...you think in the first 5 minutes of her interview where she lays out the reasons the Democrat Party has lost their mind...she was deceitful/lying??
Is THAT what you're selling us?? happy77
Uhh...he whipped Countess Dracula in '16....and I'm sure you meant '20 and not '24. 888high58888
He only had major primary opponents in '16 and '24. He pretty much ran unopposed in '20.
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For somebody who complains about this thread going on and on, you sure frequent it.
A political thread discussing political issues… imagine that
I actually enjoy reading the different viewpoints and back and forth as long as people can back up their points
Sure, some of the points get repeated over and over again, but new points do get added
@LMAO
One can't miss all those times when the last 20 posts are populated nearly 100% with this thread. Also, I'm constantly beckoned here when I check for new posts on the threads where I've posted. This thread is so in-your-face, it's hard to ignore.
It's good that you're enjoying the thread. My enjoyment is to jump in and poke a little fun at the circular discussion that's taking place. Surely you don't begrudge me that! :tongue2:
@LMAO
One can't miss all those times when the last 20 posts are populated nearly 100% with this thread. Also, I'm constantly beckoned here when I check for new posts on the threads where I've posted. This thread is so in-your-face, it's hard to ignore.
It's good that you're enjoying the thread. My enjoyment is to jump in and poke a little fun at the circular discussion that's taking place. Surely you don't begrudge me that! :tongue2:
No. I want you to use the same matrix you use for Donald Trump's first four years on Ronald Reagan's eight years.
What did Reagan actually *DO* other than increase the debt, close mental health hospitals, and ship arms to Iran?
Listen to yourself.
Well, don't forget under swampster Reagan, the federal workforce increased by about 324,000 to almost 5.3 million people.
@LMAO
One can't miss all those times when the last 20 posts are populated nearly 100% with this thread. Also, I'm constantly beckoned here when I check for new posts on the threads where I've posted. This thread is so in-your-face, it's hard to ignore.
It's good that you're enjoying the thread. My enjoyment is to jump in and poke a little fun at the circular discussion that's taking place. Surely you don't begrudge me that! :tongue2:
Listen to myself, what? :shrug:
So what?
I forgot. :shrug:
Claiming wanting to shrink the government and doing the opposite.
I just did. I spoke of the things Reagan DID that lasted longer than his office.
You mean other than consolidate Conservatives, offering the Cristian Right a place at the Conservative table, jumping us out of nearly a decade long malaise into a vibrant economy that lasted for twenty years, winning the cold war and rebuilding a world class military to include strengthening international support from allies, the reduction in nuclear weapons and the strategic defense initiative? And that's just off the top of my head...
But I would love to have a presidential candidate run that would acknowledge that all president after Calvin Coolidge have helped increased our debt and what are we going to do about it going forward.
Sounds like Reagan pointing-up. Was the warm-up act for Donald Trump pointing-down
In four years, Donald Trump consolidated American patriots around freédom and the American legacy, giving them a seat at the table; rebuilt an economy bringing the American dream back to life for the working class, ushered in the highest employment rates in recorded history; secured our borders through a series of national and international iniatives and against all odds, rebuilt a depleted, outdated and demoralized military; stacked the Federal courts with constitutionalist judges,; implemented fair global trade agreements; pushed our allies to pay their bills; saved America from the global green new deal ponzi scheme; moved our embassy to Jerusalem; paved the way for new alliances in the Middle East through the Abraham Accords; defeated ISIS; made America both respected and feared on the global stage; oversaw four years of peace ---- and this is just off the top of my head.
First, there’s the rhetoric
Now for the reality. Here are your average GDP numbers for the last seven presidents as an example
n his eight years in office, U.S. GDP growth averaged 1.62% under Obama, about 70% higher than Trump’s growth rate.
Here’s a look at average GDP growth rates under the last six U.S. presidents:
Jimmy Carter (D): 3.25%
Ronald Reagan (R): 3.48%
George H.W. Bush (R): 2.25%
Bill Clinton (D): 3.88%
George W. Bush (R): 2.2%
Barack Obama (D): 1.62%
Donald Trump (R): 0.95%
In his first four years in office, Trump has had by far the lowest average U.S. GDP growth rate of any of the last seven U.S. presidents.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/gdp-growth-under-trump-compares-121008953.html
Keep in mind that Donald Trump did not come into office during any kind of financial or economic crisis
I don’t think it’s unfair to point out that Reagan did increased the federal workforce. It absolutely is a legitimate criticism. But I would love to have a presidential candidate run that would acknowledge that all president after Calvin Coolidge have helped increased our debt and what are we going to do about it going forward
But yeah. What's still standing of all that today? Scotus. Abortion in the states... What else? Nothing. And he's going after his own abortion success with promises that will turn it federal again. So does that even count?
Well, don't forget under swampster Reagan, the federal workforce increased by about 324,000 to almost 5.3 million people.
Most of that was military. Reagan putting soldiers on the payroll to win the Cold War.
Sounds like Reagan pointing-up. Was the warm-up act for Donald Trump
Much of Trump's success was fleeting. I would say Joe Biden's moribund presidency is a product of Trump's failure to be presidential, and also his failure to adapt to the rule changes like a rational adult. Americans do not like to fire incumbent presidents - they have to screw up.
Ok, there's a lot of factors involved here. Biden is frankly hurting due to inflation. People are fully aware of how much cheaper stuff was under Trump (and earlier) Presidency. Is Biden 100% responsible? Probably not, but this just shows you how detrimental an inflationary environment is to people's living standards and outlook.
Biden’s numbers are not on this list. Biden will probably have better average GDP numbers than Trump due to the effect of the economy opening up at the start of his presidency
I'm not sure how GDP numbers will matter to people though. The economy is how better off do you feel versus 4 years ago. Housing costs are killing people. Not all Biden's fault but a lot of the inflationary stuff he does do adds up.