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Giuliani: Trump reimbursed Cohen for $130,000 payment to Stormy Daniels
By Jacqueline Thomsen - 05/02/18 09:51 PM EDT
Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R) said Wednesday that President Trump reimbursed his personal attorney Michael Cohen the $130,000 paid to adult film star Stormy Daniels to stay quiet about their alleged affair.
Giuliani, who recently joined Trump’s legal team, told Fox News’ Sean Hannity that the payment was “perfectly legal†and was “not campaign money,†meaning the arrangement didn’t violate campaign finance law.
“Funneled through a law firm, and the president repaid it,†Giuliani said.
"He didn’t know about the specifics of it but he did know about the general arrangement, that Michael would take care of things like this," he said.
Cohen has said that he made the payment, but that it was made with money out of his own pocket.
Trump admitted that he knew about the arrangement with Daniels during an interview with Fox & Friends last month.
DEVELOPING
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/385965-giuliani-trump-reimbursed-cohen-for-payment-to-stormy-daniels (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/385965-giuliani-trump-reimbursed-cohen-for-payment-to-stormy-daniels)
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Rudy was asked, "And Trump didn't know it?" Rudy paused, his eyes went up, said, Ahh - he knew part but not the details. When a person makes up a lie, their eyes go up. Rudy didn't do Trump any good with what he said.
He also said Trump gave Cohen a retainer of $35,000, and Cohen did no work so that is how Trump re-paid him, by giving him retainers and no work.
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Why admit this? He should have kept his mouth shut.
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Rudy didn't do Trump any favors by that interview...
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Rudy didn't do Trump any favors by that interview...
This, along with Trump hiring Bill Clinton's impeachment attorney makes one wonder what we aren't being told.
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Rudy Giuliani riles up obstruction of justice talk with remark about why Trump fired James Comey
by Naomi Lim
| May 02, 2018 10:15 PM
Rudy Giuliani, a new addition to President Trump's personal legal team, on Wednesday said Trump fired former FBI Director James Comey because the top law enforcement official wouldn't tell the president whether or not he was a target of the FBI investigation's into Russia interference in the 2016 election.
"He fired Comey because Comey would not — among other things — say that he wasn't a target of the investigation," Giuliani told Fox News.
"He is entitled to that. Hillary Clinton got that, and he couldn't get that. So he fired him, then he said, 'I’m free of this guy,'†the former New York City mayor added.
more
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/rudy-giuliani-riles-up-obstruction-of-justice-talk-with-remark-about-why-trump-fired-james-comey (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/rudy-giuliani-riles-up-obstruction-of-justice-talk-with-remark-about-why-trump-fired-james-comey)
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Whose brilliant idea was it to have Rudy on Hannity...sheeeesh!
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This, along with Trump hiring Bill Clinton's impeachment attorney makes one wonder what we aren't being told.
Ingraham is tickled pink that Flood has been hired... 9999hair out0000
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“Funneled through a law firm, and the president repaid it,†Giuliani said.
What a terrible choice of words. :thud:
No wonder Cobb bailed today.
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Rudy was asked, "And Trump didn't know it?" Rudy paused, his eyes went up, said, Ahh - he knew part but not the details. When a person makes up a lie, their eyes go up. Rudy didn't do Trump any good with what he said.
He also said Trump gave Cohen a retainer of $35,000, and Cohen did no work so that is how Trump re-paid him, by giving him retainers and no work.
LOL..my first reaction also..reminded me of when my boys would try to lie to me..they always looked at the ceiling... :silly:
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What a terrible choice of words. :thud:
No wonder Cobb bailed today.
And Rudy is no idiot. He knows the implication of terms like 'funnled'. If I were a Trump supporter, I would be worried he is being set up or betrayed.
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Boy. A lot of Russian collusion being discussed in that conversation. Looks like Little Bobbies investigation is really over the target.....wait. What? This is all about a stripper?
Well.....nevermind.
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Boy. A lot of Russian collusion being discussed in that conversation. Looks like Little Bobbies investigation is really over the target.....wait. What? This is all about a stripper?
Well.....nevermind.
They may be concerned about the Clinton precedent. Investigation for financial fraud in the end, turns into obstruction of justice for strategic placement of cigars in interns.
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Why admit this? He should have kept his mouth shut.
Is there anyone on Earth who would believe a lawyer would fork over six figures w/o getting reimbursed (one way or another)? So why not admit it?
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They may be concerned about the Clinton precedent. Investigation for financial fraud in the end, turns into obstruction of justice for strategic placement of cigars in interns.
At this point if Little Bobby doesn't produce on the Russian collusion and continues to trot out this inconsequential bullshit, he is staring down the barrel of irrelevancy and perpetual ridicule. The public isn't buying this as it is.
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At this point if Little Bobby doesn't produce on the Russian collusion and continues to trot out this inconsequential bullshit, he is staring down the barrel of irrelevancy and perpetual ridicule. The public isn't buying this as it is.
The Cohen activities are in the hands of SDNY, in case you've forgotten. Besides, who forced Guiliani to come out with this? So much for wrapping things up in a week or two.
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The Cohen activities are in the hands of SDNY, in case you've forgotten. Besides, who forced Guiliani to come out with this? So much for wrapping things up in a week or two.
Looks wrapped to me. Where are these subpoenas Little Bobby was going to hand down? Nowhere. Has the needle moved on this train wreck investigation since Manafart was indicted? No. As a matter of fact Little Bobby is looking like a laughing stock since those irrelevant questions leaked. "Mr Trump. What do you think about me?" "President Trump. Why don't you like my pal Jimmy?"
It's a clown show.
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Looks wrapped to me. Where are these subpoenas Little Bobby was going to hand down? Nowhere. Has the needle moved on this train wreck investigation since Manafart was indicted? No. As a matter of fact Little Bobby is looking like a laughing stock since those irrelevant questions leaked. "Mr Trump. What do you think about me?" "President Trump. Why don't you like my pal Jimmy?"
It's a clown show.
The needle hasn't moved on Manafort because he keeps flailing around with doomed suits and motions to have damning evidence suppressed. We don't know the source of the leaked questions and I sincerely doubt they're verbatim. At worst, I always thought the only thing Trump was 'guilty' of was hiring dipshits as foreign advisors in the campaign. Since then, he and his ever changing merry band of legal incompetence have been putting out fires with class 1A liquids. So, yes...it's definitely a clown show.
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The needle hasn't moved on Manafort because he keeps flailing around with doomed suits and motions to have damning evidence suppressed. We don't know the source of the leaked questions and I sincerely doubt they're verbatim. At worst, I always thought the only thing Trump was 'guilty' of was hiring dipshits as foreign advisors in the campaign. Since then, he and his ever changing merry band of legal incompetence have been putting out fires with class 1A liquids. So, yes...it's definitely a clown show.
The needle hasn't moved on anything. Besides your opinion of the players in this show me where Mueller has done anything of interest since the Manafart raid? He is coming up empty and all there is are unfounded leaks to the press that never pan out and promises of actions that never happen.
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The needle hasn't moved on anything. Besides your opinion of the players in this show me where Mueller has done anything of interest since the Manafart raid? He is coming up empty and all there is are unfounded leaks to the press that never pan out and promises of actions that never happen.
As much as you might like it to, the court system doesn't start trials the day after indictments. Many of the people charged are intertwined with other open cases. There's been a good bit of redacted content in some of the Mueller filings we've seen, so something is still in the works.
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Rudy was asked, "And Trump didn't know it?" Rudy paused, his eyes went up, said, Ahh - he knew part but not the details. When a person makes up a lie, their eyes go up. Rudy didn't do Trump any good with what he said.
He also said Trump gave Cohen a retainer of $35,000, and Cohen did no work so that is how Trump re-paid him, by giving him retainers and no work.
Looks like Trump has to go to confession and make an act of contrition.
@Victoria33
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As much as you might like it to, the court system doesn't start trials the day after indictments. Many of the people charged are intertwined with other open cases. There's been a good bit of redacted content in some of the Mueller filings we've seen, so something is still in the works.
Don't care about trials. Where are all the other indictments? Plea deals? All the stuff that Little Bobby leaked to The Hill last year that was going to happen? Nothing has happened since Manafart and for a good reason. There is nothing.
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@mystery-ak
"Rudy Giuliani, a new addition to President Trump's personal legal team, on Wednesday said Trump fired former FBI Director James Comey because the top law enforcement official wouldn't tell the president whether or not he was a target of the FBI investigation's into Russia interference in the 2016 election. "He fired Comey because Comey would not — among other things — say that he wasn't a target of the investigation," Giuliani told Fox News. "He is entitled to that. Hillary Clinton got that, and he couldn't get that. So he fired him, then he said, 'I’m free of this guy,'†the former New York City mayor added."
This may be worse than telling Trump repaid the money. He fired Comey because he wouldn't say he wasn't a target?
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This may be worse than telling Trump repaid the money. He fired Comey because he wouldn't say he wasn't a target?
Eh, Trump could fire Comey if he didn't like the way his breath smelled. It's part of his role a President.
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With friends like Rudy, Trump has little need for enemies. This was a horrendous confession.
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Porno Clown show.
If someone had character enough not to cheat on his wife and keep his wedding vows, getting caught paying hush money to a porn star to win votes might not be creating the appearance of stupidity by a sitting President.
But people today will demand we believe the words and promises of a person that tickles their ears with what they want to hear, even though there is no character to back up such trust.
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Well, that's Rudy.
Do Anything that paints the PD in a positive light and the usual suspects crawl out of the woodwork to paint him a Marvel Super Hero.
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Porno Clown show.
If someone had character enough not to cheat on his wife and keep his wedding vows, getting caught paying hush money to a porn star to win votes might not be creating the appearance of stupidity by a sitting President.
But people today will demand we believe the words and promises of a person that tickles their ears with what they want to hear, even though there is no character to back up such trust.
I could give a Rat's hind chance of lynching a Republican President based on his renting an expensive, . . . uh, . . . full body masseuse and paying her to shut up and go away.
I care about jobs, the economy, our power being projected onto the world stage, the near total annihilation of ISIS, improved race relations and a host of other Substantive Issues.
He boffed a woman who had sex in front of cameras and sound crews to pay her bills 12 years ago Before he was President, not a 21 yr old intern while he was supposed to be doing his job as President.
As for his 'Character' not measuring up, with a Pope like this one, . . . It'd take considerably more than Vicar of Smurf rules/outrage to upset me.
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I could give a Rat's hind chance of lynching a Republican President based on his renting an expensive, . . . uh, . . . full body masseuse and paying her to shut up and go away...
As for his 'Character' not measuring up, with a Pope like this one, . . . It'd take considerably more than Vicar of Smurf rules/outrage to upset me.
But I'd bet money you were all pissed off about Clinton and Obama's lack of character and the fact their words and vows and promises could not be trusted.
Hypocrisy aside, without character and morality being upheld and practiced in our elected representatives, we no longer have a Republic.
And when the people themselves don't give a shit about character or morals because they want their piece of life's pie served smoothly and without blemish - then it is impossible to maintain liberty or a republic in such an environment whatsoever.
The pie shall be tyranny, and many shall declare it freedom.
Which is where we have arrived some time ago.
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Full interview with Hannity....
! No longer available (http://youtube.com/watch?v=66tZuQw_Sr4#)
Laura Ingraham questions Rudy's revelation.....
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But I'd bet money you were all pissed off about Clinton and Obama's lack of character and the fact their words and vows and promises could not be trusted.
Hypocrisy aside, without character and morality being upheld and practiced in our elected representatives, we no longer have a Republic.
And when the people themselves don't give a shit about character or morals because they want their piece of life's pie served smoothly and without blemish - then it is impossible to maintain liberty or a republic in such an environment whatsoever.
The pie shall be tyranny, and many shall declare it freedom.
Which is where we have arrived some time ago.
I Care about Results and both of those vile turds you brought up robbed me blind and put more hobbles onto MY Personal Civil Rights.
Clinton with his #$@&^$@!@$$&&* Monetary Policy/Federal Reserve Con.
And Obama with his all out 24/7 assault on the entire nation's economy and rights.
Yes, I'm still steamed about DJT signing the Porkulous, but I gotta take it On Balance, especially against Those 2.
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I could give a Rat's hind chance of lynching a Republican President based on his renting an expensive, . . . uh, . . . full body masseuse and paying her to shut up and go away.
I care about jobs, the economy...........
Yet here we are mired down in stupid because Trump couldn't do the things Invar mentioned. Whether you care or not, makes little difference due to how this mess muddies the waters and has made his job more a distraction dance at best. Not to mention, it pollutes the water for other candidates that want to run on a values ticket, something that used to define the parties from each other. Character matters despite what you deem as important, because most people understand it links everything a person values in office and eventually does when not worried about reelection (Ex. McCain throwing his electorate under the bus this week, who Obama pardoned at the end of his term). If they are corrupt, they seem to be less tethered to values a lot of conservatives hold dear. Might as well give up the saying "those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it".
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Whose brilliant idea was it to have Rudy on Hannity...sheeeesh!
This was probably the best they could spin whatever info they know is coming out later. Polishing a turd so to speak. So if this was the best Rudy could do as an experienced prosecutor and politician, it is probably pretty damning info coming out. At least on the porn star front...
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Yet here we are mired down in stupid because Trump couldn't do the things Invar mentioned. Whether you care or not, makes little difference due to how this mess muddies the waters and has made his job more a distraction dance at best. Not to mention, it pollutes the water for other candidates that want to run on a values ticket, something that used to define the parties from each other. Character matters despite what you deem as important, because most people understand it links everything a person values in office and eventually does when not worried about reelection (Ex. McCain throwing his electorate under the bus this week, who Obama pardoned at the end of his term). If they are corrupt, they seem to be less tethered to values a lot of conservatives hold dear. Might as well give up the saying "those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it".
And Republicans also flushed the "family values" position down the toilet permanently. That is no small thing in the current climate.
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At least were not talking about Hillarys crimes or how Obama flew a planeload of cash to Iran. Ya know the important stuff.
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When the chief executive of law enforcement says 'lock her up' plays well during the campaign, but now we don't care and that he doesn't want to hurt the Clintons, because they're good people, perhaps your beef should be with that individual?
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Donald J. Trumpâ€ï€²Verified accountï‚™
@realDonaldTrump
Mr. Cohen, an attorney, received a monthly retainer, not from the campaign and having nothing to do with the campaign, from which he entered into, through reimbursement, a private contract between two parties, known as a non-disclosure agreement, or NDA. These agreements are.....
3:46 AM - 3 May 2018
...very common among celebrities and people of wealth. In this case it is in full force and effect and will be used in Arbitration for damages against Ms. Clifford (Daniels). The agreement was used to stop the false and extortionist accusations made by her about an affair,......
3:54 AM - 3 May 2018
...despite already having signed a detailed letter admitting that there was no affair. Prior to its violation by Ms. Clifford and her attorney, this was a private agreement. Money from the campaign, or campaign contributions, played no roll in this transaction.
4:00 AM - 3 May 2018
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/991992302267785216?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/991994433750142976?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/991995845120753664?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
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Donald J. Trumpâ€ï€²Verified accountï‚™
@realDonaldTrump
Mr. Cohen, an attorney, received a monthly retainer, not from the campaign and having nothing to do with the campaign, from which he entered into, through reimbursement, a private contract between two parties, known as a non-disclosure agreement, or NDA. These agreements are very common among celebrities and people of wealth.
In this case it is in full force and effect and will be used in Arbitration for damages against Ms. Clifford (Daniels). The agreement was used to stop the false and extortionist accusations made by her about an affair despite already having signed a detailed letter admitting that there was no affair.
Prior to its violation by Ms. Clifford and her attorney, this was a private agreement. Money from the campaign, or campaign contributions, played no roll in this transaction.
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Sounds exactly like something Trump would say. He's a regular Clarence Darrow. *****rollingeyes*****
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This was probably the best they could spin whatever info they know is coming out later. Polishing a turd so to speak. So if this was the best Rudy could do as an experienced prosecutor and politician, it is probably pretty damning info coming out. At least on the porn star front...
They have Cohen's records so they know what payments he received and from where. The plan is probably for Giuliani to wiggle Trump out of a perjury trap in coming forward now. It looks like they can still say that Trump reimbursed Cohen after the fact.
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Full interview with Hannity....
Laura Ingraham questions Rudy's revelation.....
@edpc
Thanks for posting those two segments from Fox, so I could listen to the Rudy interview from beginning to end, not just picked out portions, and Ingraham's comments about what Rudy said in the interview.
This morning, Thursday, Trump did not write his tweets about this, a lawyer must have written them. They were specific and connecting, not like Trump's rambling.
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@edpc
This morning, Thursday, Trump did not write his tweets about this, a lawyer must have written them. They were specific and connecting, not like Trump's rambling.
Considering the circumstances, wouldn't you agree this is a good thing @Victoria33 .... I would think you'd be pleased.
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Sounds exactly like something Trump would say. He's a regular Clarence Darrow. *****rollingeyes*****
Pull up @edpc ... pull up.
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Is there anyone on Earth who would believe a lawyer would fork over six figures w/o getting reimbursed (one way or another)? So why not admit it?
That's what I was thinking. Just come clean, warts and all. The man was being blackmailed by a prostitute. It's tawdry, but he's hardly the first mover and shaker to visit a prostitute. At least he hasn't soiled the Oval Office rug as an intern writhed for his pleasure.
With Trump, you take the bad with the good. And above all, he was (and to some extent still is) an amateur at the politician game. That's why he was elected - because he was an outsider. As was discussed in detail on a nearby thread, he's managed, through all the static and sabotage by the Deep State, to accomplish a great deal.
I've speculated in the past about the dynamic of the one-term President. Come to Washington on a mission of change, and announce as your most fundamental change your willingness to serve one term only. No positioning for re-election, just speak your mind, don't mince words, and say what you mean and mean what you say. If Trump were to trumpet the progress he's made and say this year that he will pass the baton in 2020, then the dynamics of this year's mid-terms will change immediately. And so will the prospects for Trump's working-class conservatism to survive him.
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Did anyone really believe that:
(A) Trump didn't have the one night stand?
(B) Cohen paid Daniels to keep quiet about something that never happened?
(C) That trump would not repay Cohen, if he had not already paid in advance?
Still, this violates no oath of office. It was all done in the years prior to his announcement to run.
However, the payments were made after he decided to run, right? I could not remember that part.
Anyway, it is not anything that happened in the office, so that make it irrelevant.
It does show that we are now willing to over-look flaws that used to be career-ending for politicians.
These allegations weren't new news.
Where will we now draw that line?
Will we ever be able to draw any line again?
(Sure, he hosted orgies at home while his wife went into labor, and his lawyer paid the participants to keep quiet about it, but that happen a year ago.)
I mean, the above scenario could be next, or something weirder yet. We are not that far removed from this now, considering the timing of his one night stand, 10 years ago, Melania had just had Barron, porn star, etc.
So I will ask again:
Where will we now draw that line?
Will we ever be able to draw any line again?
On one hand it is none of my business,so I guess if they mean well, love their country, both R and D, they all get a pass now.
No more selective outrage, right?
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Kellyanne's husband is back to throwing out passive aggressive tweets.
Conway’s husband shares link to FEC rules on personal loans after Giuliani admits Trump paid back Cohen
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/385988-conways-husband-shares-link-to-fec-rules-on-personal-loans (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/385988-conways-husband-shares-link-to-fec-rules-on-personal-loans)
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Pull up @edpc ... pull up.
If you think he wrote those tweets himself, you're not only a resident of Rajneeshpuram, you're the equivalent of Ma Anand Sheela.
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They have Cohen's records so they know what payments he received and from where. The plan is probably for Giuliani to wiggle Trump out of a perjury trap in coming forward now. It looks like they can still say that Trump reimbursed Cohen after the fact.
Quite frankly.... I don't even see what relevance this Daniels thing has to Trump's presidency NOW. Hells bells, if every politician in DC were held to such rigid standards... ie held accountable for every sordid thing that has ever happened in their past... we wouldn't have a DC. It would be a ghost town. Hey...
come to think of it.... that might be worth trying!
Nevermind.
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It is possibly blackmail/extortion and we don't want a President that responds positively to blackmail or extortion.
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Giuliani comments on Stormy payment raise legal questions
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_TRUMP_PORN_STAR_LEGAL_ISSUES?SITE=TXMCA&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2018-05-03-03-17-26 (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_TRUMP_PORN_STAR_LEGAL_ISSUES?SITE=TXMCA&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2018-05-03-03-17-26)
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It is possibly blackmail/extortion and we don't want a President that responds positively to blackmail or extortion.
And again... I posit that most, if not every, congress critter probably has similar things in their past that could be used as blackmail or extortion. And usually....or most of the time.... presidential candidates come from DC (vs. New York).
I'm just saying... that to make this the "big deal" the left is trying to make it is, in my estimation, an epic FAIL.
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Stormy Daniels lawyer on Giuliani’s comments: ‘I am absolutely speechless’
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/385976-stormy-daniels-lawyer-on-giulianis-comments-i-am-absolutely (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/385976-stormy-daniels-lawyer-on-giulianis-comments-i-am-absolutely)
excerpt:
"I have to tell you, I am rarely, as your viewers know, rendered speechless," Daniels's lawyer, Michael Avenatti, told MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell. "But I am absolutely speechless at this revelation and this admission."
Avenatti's comments came shortly after Rudolph Giuliani, one of Trump's lawyers, revealed in a Fox News interview that the president reimbursed Cohen for the $130,000 payment to Daniels as part of a nondisclosure agreement.
That revelation directly contradicted Trump's and the White House's claims that he knew nothing of the payment, which Cohen has acknowledged making.
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I don't expect Rudy will be with Trump's legal team much longer...
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I don't expect Rudy will be with Trump's legal team much longer...
He's going to take a pre-planned vacation. Naturally, the story will be that he was just doing temporary consulting work on a potential Mueller interview and that portion is done.
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Stormy Daniels lawyer on Giuliani’s comments: ‘I am absolutely speechless’
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/385976-stormy-daniels-lawyer-on-giulianis-comments-i-am-absolutely (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/385976-stormy-daniels-lawyer-on-giulianis-comments-i-am-absolutely)
excerpt:
"I have to tell you, I am rarely, as your viewers know, rendered speechless," Daniels's lawyer, Michael Avenatti, told MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell. "But I am absolutely speechless at this revelation and this admission."
Avenatti's comments came shortly after Rudolph Giuliani, one of Trump's lawyers, revealed in a Fox News interview that the president reimbursed Cohen for the $130,000 payment to Daniels as part of a nondisclosure agreement.
That revelation directly contradicted Trump's and the White House's claims that he knew nothing of the payment, which Cohen has acknowledged making.
Well perhaps hiring Rudy was yet another yuge mistake on Trump's part. Rudy may be the fly in the ointment here. Not....looking.... good. It's also keeping the non-issue on the front page re: "salacious news". Kind of stupid, IOW.
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Ex-White House ethics chief: Trump just admitted filing false financial disclosure
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/385994-ex-white-house-ethics-chief-trump-just-admitted-filing-a-false (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/385994-ex-white-house-ethics-chief-trump-just-admitted-filing-a-false)
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Rudy was asked, "And Trump didn't know it?" Rudy paused, his eyes went up, said, Ahh - he knew part but not the details. When a person makes up a lie, their eyes go up. Rudy didn't do Trump any good with what he said.
He also said Trump gave Cohen a retainer of $35,000, and Cohen did no work so that is how Trump re-paid him, by giving him retainers and no work.
It actually depends on which direction they look up. If they are right handed and look to the left, they are actually accessing memories. If they look to the right (left side of the brain) they are quite likely lying.
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Ex-White House ethics chief: Trump just admitted filing false financial disclosure
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/385994-ex-white-house-ethics-chief-trump-just-admitted-filing-a-false (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/385994-ex-white-house-ethics-chief-trump-just-admitted-filing-a-false)
The former director of the Office of Government Ethics on Thursday said that revelations that President Trump reimbursed personal attorney Michael Cohen for a payment to adult-film star Stormy Daniels means the president has admitted to filing a false financial disclosure.
Walter Shaub tweeted the president “trying to talk his way out of a campaign finance violation†basically means “Trump has admitted to filing a false financial disclosure in 2017.â€
“AMAZING! In trying to talk this way out of a campaign finance violation, Trump has admitted to filing a false financial disclosure in 2017,†Shaub tweeted. “He personally certified that his closure was ‘complete and correct.’â€...
But, if it didn't come out of campaign funds, it's not a false filing.
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But, if it didn't come out of campaign funds, it's not a false filing.
Shhh! They're on a roll. This time, by George, they've GOT him! :silly:
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On "Hannity," Giuliani said Trump repaid Cohen "over several months" by putting him on a "retainer of $35,000 when he was doing no work for the president."
"I said, 'That's how he's repaying it, with a little profit and a little margin for paying taxes,'" said Giuliani, who added that Trump "didn’t know about the specifics of [the payment], as far as I know, but he did know about the general arrangement that Michael would take care of things like this. Like I take care of things like this for my clients.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/03/giuliani-says-trump-paid-130g-to-cohen-for-expenses-over-several-months.html (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/03/giuliani-says-trump-paid-130g-to-cohen-for-expenses-over-several-months.html)
OK, a few odd things here. If the specifics of the payment were not known to Trump, how would he know what was paid would allow for margin to cover taxes and include profit? Was the profit payment because Cohen caught Trump in a generous mood or it was a bonus for getting it done? Why do it over several months when that amount is inconsequential to your claimed worth? Rudy takes care of things like this for his clients, too? Interesting.
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Trump says no campaign cash was used to repay Stormy Daniels’ $130K
https://nypost.com/2018/05/03/trump-says-no-campaign-cash-was-used-to-repay-stormy-daniels-130k/
excerpt:
Giuliani, the former New York mayor who recently joined Trump’s legal team, was adamant that no campaign money was used.
“I’m giving you a fact that you don’t know,†Giuliani said. “It’s not campaign money. No campaign finance violation. They funneled through a law firm and the president repaid it.â€
He also said Trump was unaware of the specifics about the Cohen payment.
more
https://nypost.com/2018/05/03/trump-says-no-campaign-cash-was-used-to-repay-stormy-daniels-130k/
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The pie shall be tyranny, and many shall declare it freedom.
Which is where we have arrived some time ago.
@INVAR
We are Sodom and Gomorrah waiting for God's wrath.
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But, if it didn't come out of campaign funds, it's not a false filing.
Except you're leaving out the second tweet where Schaub explained it.
Walter Shaub
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But Tump and his attorney, Rudy Giuliani, now admit that he had a $460,000 liability that he omitted from his financial disclosure report. /2
An omission of nearly $500K isn't an oversight. There were three choices they had and they were all bad:
1) State the true reason for the expenditures.
2) Include them, but lie about the purpose.
3) Don't include them.
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Except you're leaving out the second tweet where Schaub explained it.
Walter Shaub
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But Tump and his attorney, Rudy Giuliani, now admit that he had a $460,000 liability that he omitted from his financial disclosure report. /2
An omission of nearly $500K isn't an oversight. There were three choices they had and they were all bad:
1) State the true reason for the expenditures.
2) Include them, but lie about the purpose.
3) Don't include them.
I find this hard to believe. How really stupid would it be.... for a billionaire to choose 3) ??? It's not like he couldn't afford the disclosure. One wonders. It's rather surreal.
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I find this hard to believe. How really stupid would it be.... for a billionaire to choose 3) ??? It's not like he couldn't afford the disclosure. One wonders. It's rather surreal.
Who knows? I don't know why they'd pay her if the allegations weren't true. The other women with claims have been largely ignored. The biggest 'bombshell' Clinton could come up with during the campaign was Alicia Machado. That flopped. There were some waves made with the Access Hollywood tape, but it wasn't the seismic shift the left expected. Had the Daniels story come out, it would have been on the heels of that and looked like a desperation play - especially after the Weiner computer saga. The only reason it made sense to pay her and demand materials in the NDA is because she has/had something. Just how it looks to me. :shrug:
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Rudy will be on Cavuto at 3pm central..maybe he can correct the damage he caused...my advice is to STFU
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Who knows? I don't know why they'd pay her if the allegations weren't true. The other women with claims have been largely ignored. The biggest 'bombshell' Clinton could come up with during the campaign was Alicia Machado. That flopped. There were some waves made with the Access Hollywood tape, but it wasn't the seismic shift the left expected. Had the Daniels story come out, it would have been on the heels of that and looked like a desperation play - especially after the Weiner computer saga. The only reason it made sense to pay her and demand materials in the NDA is because she has/had something. Just how it looks to me. :shrug:
It's starting to look like a s-storm in the making (thanks, Rudy!). Or maybe like a day-time drama/soap. Who knew .... that Trump would hire Giuliani to stir up MORE controversy.
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Rudy will be on Cavuto at 3pm central..maybe he can correct the damage he caused...my advice is to STFU
I don't think he caused damage, he was destroying the charge that this was a possible campaign finance problem.
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Did anyone think that Trump DIDN'T pay the $130k?
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I don't think he caused damage, he was destroying the charge that this was a possible campaign finance problem.
Yeah.... but.... in the process of clearing that up.... he kinda/sorta at best, shed doubt on Trump's claim that he didn't know about the payment... and at worst, made Trump out to be a liar.
Ooops.
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I don't think he caused damage, he was destroying the charge that this was a possible campaign finance problem.
Any damage would be in the confiscated Cohen records so this would be getting ahead of the leaky ship Mueller.
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And when the people themselves don't give a shit about character or morals because they want their piece of life's pie served smoothly and without blemish - then it is impossible to maintain liberty or a republic in such an environment whatsoever.
The pie shall be tyranny, and many shall declare it freedom.
Tyranny is Sarah’s secret ingredient.
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Yeah.... but.... in the process of clearing that up.... he kinda/sorta at best, shed doubt on Trump's claim that he didn't know about the payment... and at worst, made Trump out to be a liar.
Ooops.
Or, didn't know about it at the time. Either way, that's not a crime, like the other one could be.
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Tyranny is Sarah’s secret ingredient.
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Nah. That's just Peecans.
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Or, didn't know about it at the time. Either way, that's not a crime, like the other one could be.
Right. But.... never incriminate yourself just cause the idiot left is trying to make you panic. And that's what it looks like to me.
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Nah. That's just Peecans.
Bourbon, too. I’ll bet it’s really good.
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Right. But.... never incriminate yourself just cause the idiot left is trying to make you panic. And that's what it looks like to me.
We'll see how it shakes out. I think Rudy knows exactly what he is doing.
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We'll see how it shakes out. I think Rudy knows exactly what he is doing.
I dunno. If you really know what you’re doing, you don’t follow up a major revelation on a higher rated prime time show with an appearance an a late afternoon show nobody watches to clarify.
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I dunno. If you really know what you’re doing, you don’t follow up a major revelation on a higher rated prime time show with an appearance an a late afternoon show nobody watches to clarify.
Let's wait and see what he says.
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We'll see how it shakes out. I think Rudy knows exactly what he is doing.
I think so too.
I think the point of Rudy's statement was to make clear that Trump paid off the prostitute's blackmail. Not anyone else - which could be seen as an illegal campaign contribution given the timing of the payoff. Yes, Cohen paid it but Trump reimbursed him.
No one should be surprised that Trump, a well-known playboy, may have dallied with a prostitute. It's embarrassing, but it happened years before he ran for office. The whore, of course, sensed a payday and hired a sleazeball guido for her attorney and extorted the money. And the guido has now appeared over 50 times on CNN in the past several months to keep pushing his slime and maintain CNN's reputation for journalistic excellence.
But if the rent-a-slut was paid off by Trump himself - "funneled" through his lawyer or otherwise - then this is nothing but a tawdry, embarrassing episode. Not a violation of campaign financing laws.
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But if the rent-a-slut was paid off by Trump himself - "funneled" through his lawyer or otherwise - then this is nothing but a tawdry, embarrassing episode. Not a violation of campaign financing laws.
All it proves is that Americans are fine and dandy being ruled by slime-ball lying sacks of shit.
We deserve all the consequences that follow.
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@Jazzhead, remember if you want to call her a slut or whore or whatever, don't forget her partner in the act.
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@Jazzhead, remember if you want to call her a slut or whore or whatever, don't forget her partner in the act.
Yes, and prostitute and a john. A transaction of services for money. Except here, years later, the prostitute realized her john was running for President, and sought to extort him. A transaction of a promise of silence for more money. And of course she didn't stay silent, despite getting paid.
What would you call her?
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Yes, and prostitute and a john. A transaction of services for money. Except here, years later, the prostitute realized her john was running for President, and sought to extort him. A transaction of a promise of silence for more money. And of course she didn't stay silent, despite getting paid.
What would you call her?
You're forgetting about all the times he promised her this and that (TV spots, property), but never delivered. Perhaps if he had, the issue would have been swept under the rug years ago. Daniels and McDougal aren't the only ones. The fact we know about it was because be didn't pay her. She did the In Touch interview in 2011 and Cohen threatened them. Years later, it was a real problem. The WSJ found out, because Cohen was desperate and sloppy with the election on the line, not because she talked.
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The appearance on Fox&Friends this morning was not helpful at all. At the 6:00 mark, Ainsley asks Rudy why Cohen said he was never paid back, when Trump says he was. Giuliani can't come up with a good answer, so he veers off and rambles on about how this was personally hurtful to the Trumps and not related to the campaign.
Later, at the 8:10 mark, he posits what if this had come out on Oct 15th during the last debate. OK, so that makes it a political liability and he admits it on his own. It's almost painful to watch. Plus, Cohen disputes Rudy’s version of events, according to Donny Deutsch.
"I spoke with Michael Cohen yesterday and his quote about Giuliani doesn't always know what he's talking about," Deutsch said Friday as a guest on MSNBC.
"He said look there's two people that know exactly what happened, myself and the president and you'll be hearing my side of the story. And he was obviously very frustrated with what had come out yesterday."
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/cohen-giuliani-doesn-talking-article-1.3971188?outputType=amp (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/cohen-giuliani-doesn-talking-article-1.3971188?outputType=amp)
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Hell of a Drug, makes old men do stupid $hit, quicker.
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The appearance on Fox&Friends this morning was not helpful at all. At the 6:00 mark, Ainsley asks Rudy why Cohen said he was never paid back, when Trump says he was. Giuliani can't come up with a good answer, so he veers off and rambles on about how this was personally hurtful to the Trumps and not related to the campaign.
Later, at the 8:10 mark, he posits what if this had come out on Oct 15th during the last debate. OK, so that makes it a political liability and he admits it on his own. It's almost painful to watch. Plus, Cohen disputes Rudy’s version of events, according to Donny Deutsch.
"I spoke with Michael Cohen yesterday and his quote about Giuliani doesn't always know what he's talking about," Deutsch said Friday as a guest on MSNBC.
"He said look there's two people that know exactly what happened, myself and the president and you'll be hearing my side of the story. And he was obviously very frustrated with what had come out yesterday."
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/cohen-giuliani-doesn-talking-article-1.3971188?outputType=amp (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/cohen-giuliani-doesn-talking-article-1.3971188?outputType=amp)
Jeeze...
When you are done in a hole, dig your way to China.
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That's the way Washington works. If you run for office you have to look around and see who will try and destroy you. You can't gag them. The only thing left is pay them off.
If you run for office you will be surprised what will be said about you if you are not a democrat.
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You're forgetting about all the times he promised her this and that (TV spots, property), but never delivered. Perhaps if he had, the issue would have been swept under the rug years ago. Daniels and McDougal aren't the only ones. The fact we know about it was because be didn't pay her. She did the In Touch interview in 2011 and Cohen threatened them. Years later, it was a real problem. The WSJ found out, because Cohen was desperate and sloppy with the election on the line, not because she talked.
@edpc, All very well put -- you and @corbe are on a roll ;).
You're right -- the WSJ brought this up again, not Stormy Daniels. President Trump still says the affair never happened, which is patently ridiculous. Or else, who knew it could be that easy to con $130,000 out of President Trump?!
This episode just demonstrates the stupidity of continually compounding lies like, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." This is such a colossal waste of everyone's time.
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And again... I posit that most, if not every, congress critter probably has similar things in their past that could be used as blackmail or extortion. And usually....or most of the time.... presidential candidates come from DC (vs. New York).
I'm just saying... that to make this the "big deal" the left is trying to make it is, in my estimation, an epic FAIL.
The problem is Trump has buried himself in lies over this. Blatant lies. It is rather hard to believe anything a blatant liar says after awhile.
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The problem is Trump has buried himself in lies over this. Blatant lies. It is rather hard to believe anything a blatant liar says after awhile.
The worst one was yesterday. He tried to tell the same reporter who asked him about the Cohen payment on Air Force One that he did not say what he said. It’s unbelievable. Unfortunately, I could only find a source from MSNBC. However, watch the portion from the 2:00 - 2:40 mark. Jedi mind trick fail.
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