The Briefing Room
General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: SirLinksALot on August 31, 2016, 03:19:38 pm
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SOURCE: DAILY CALLER
URL: http://dailycaller.com/2016/08/30/rush-limbaugh-exposed/ (http://dailycaller.com/2016/08/30/rush-limbaugh-exposed/)
by: Matt K. Lewis
I keep struggling to come up with the right metaphor to describe the call Rush Limbaugh took from “Rick from Los Angeles” yesterday. (If you haven’t heard the above segment, you should.) On one hand, it reminded me of Jack Nicholson’s You’re damn right I ordered the code red! moment in A Few Good Men. In both cases, someone else—an attorney in the movie and a talk radio caller in the Rush situation—prompted a rare moment of honesty, which turned out to be a personal indictment.
But that’s not quite right either. Nicholson’s character (Colonel Jessup) was angry at the line of questioning. Limbaugh might’ve been flummoxed by the questioning, but he wasn’t angry.
And there’s another reason the Nicholson analogy fails. As Conor Friedersdorf’s title suggests, Limbaugh’s comments demonstrate that he had misled his own audience. Conversely, Col. Jessup was willing to bullshit the civilians and a Navy lawyer, but that was, after all, for their own good. Jessup’s sense of loyalty was to his men and his country. He felt the ends justified the means.
In a sense, Limbaugh was exposed as “the man behind the curtain” from The Wizard of Oz, not the man who ordered the “code red.”
Whatever the appropriate analogy, I don’t think this will constitute the “end” of Rush Limbaugh—there won’t be any “scene” where he is led out of the courthouse in handcuffs—but I do think this moment might matter. Of course, not everyone agrees. On Twitter, I’ve been debating some smart political observers who have differing opinions on what this all means:
@mattklewis Rush will face no consequences for yesterday’s call
— Allahpundit (@allahpundit) August 30, 2016
@allahpundit @mattklewis Not now of course, but if Trump loses badly Rush will likely be retired or totally irrelevant by 2020.
— John Ziegler (@Zigmanfreud) August 30, 2016
For those who think that nothing matters, I would point to July 19, 2016, the day Roger Ailes’ ouster became evident—and the day Donald Trump became the official Republican nominee for president.
Here’s how it works: For a long time, nothing seems to change. But what we don’t notice is accretion. Eventually, there’s a tipping point. Neither of these events were predictable. Both seemed highly unlikely a year ago.
Rush Limbaugh’s response to “Rick from Los Angeles” on August 29 might end up on the list of important dates that (at best) leads to the demise of the Con$servative Entertainment Complex, and (at worst) leads to the end of the conservative movement as we know it.
For me, this is bittersweet. As I wrote in my book, I grew up a fan of Limbaugh. But a year ago, I basically begged him to stand up to Trump, arguing that he was abdicating his responsibilities if he failed to do so. If this keeps up, there might not be too many Rush babies in the future.
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That's the first time I've actually listened to Rush's response to Rick's cogent call, and appropriate questions to him.
It's almost embarrassing to hear him, in arrogance and condescension, claim he never took Trump seriously, when, at the time, he was cheerleading for Trump at every turn, and never once said he didn't take Trump at his word.
He has lost ALL credibility, and it's a relief for me to no longer be a Rush listener.
He's a complete hypocrite.
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That's the first time I've actually listened to Rush's response to Rick's cogent call, and appropriate questions to him.
It's almost embarrassing to hear him, in arrogance and condescension, claim he never took Trump seriously, when, at the time, he was cheerleading for Trump at every turn, and never once said he didn't take Trump at his word.
day after day he defended Trump from conservative callers, and he says he never took Trump seriously??
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day after day he defended Trump from conservative callers, and he says he never took Trump seriously??
I know. It's unbelievable.
There were times that I disagreed with Rush, but I never thought him to be dishonest.
This is an outright lie.
I have no idea, no matter how arrogant he is, how he expects to recover from what he is doing now.
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I know. It's unbelievable.
There were times that I disagreed with Rush, but I never thought him to be dishonest.
This is an outright lie.
I have no idea, no matter how arrogant he is, how he expects to recover from what he is doing now.
Hmmmm... Perhaps his previous wives know something we heretofore, did not...
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I have no idea, no matter how arrogant he is, how he expects to recover from what he is doing now.
I feel the same about FR. I just do not see how it can recover, by that I mean become an actual conservative forum again
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Hmmmm... Perhaps his previous wives know something we heretofore, did not...
A valid point. There's something terribly amiss here.....
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That's the first time I've actually listened to Rush's response to Rick's cogent call, and appropriate questions to him.
It's almost embarrassing to hear him, in arrogance and condescension, claim he never took Trump seriously, when, at the time, he was cheerleading for Trump at every turn, and never once said he didn't take Trump at his word.
He has lost ALL credibility, and it's a relief for me to no longer be a Rush listener.
He's a complete hypocrite.
Cheerleading for Trump at every turn? Limbaugh was definitely a Cruz guy before Trump became presumptive nominee, and he was reticent to support him. Once he gave him his support though, he has been staunch and unwavering.
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I liked the Rush Baby notation. Those are long gone due to infertility of the last generation.
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Cheerleading for Trump at every turn? Limbaugh was definitely a Cruz guy before Trump became presumptive nominee, and he was reticent to support him. Once he gave him his support though, he has been staunch and unwavering.
You must not have listened much in the primaries. Cruz barely got a mention. Trump got ceaseless praise.
I stopped listening to Rush after decades because he proved he never meant what he said about conservatism's being the answer.
He was cheerleading for Trump at every turn LONG before he became the nominee.
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Cheerleading for Trump at every turn? Limbaugh was definitely a Cruz guy before Trump became presumptive nominee, and he was reticent to support him. Once he gave him his support though, he has been staunch and unwavering.
Rush was a huge Cruz supporter. I think Rush is just going through the motions supporting Trump only because he has a (R) by his name. Rush hasn't come to the point yet where he disses the party. Rush was just being honest about Trump.
Rush is purely entertainment anyway..........
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Rush was a huge Cruz supporter. I think Rush is just going through the motions supporting Trump only because he has a (R) by his name. Rush hasn't come to the point yet where he disses the party. Rush was just being honest about Trump.
Rush is purely entertainment anyway..........
Don't think I'd call Rush a huge Cruz supporter, at least not during this campaign. He acknowledged Cruz was the conservative of the bunch, but he never went any farther than that. It seemed to me Rush was far more impressed with Trump and his ability to say anything without consequence among his supporters.
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You must not have listened much in the primaries. Cruz barely got a mention. Trump got ceaseless praise.
I stopped listening to Rush after decades because he proved he never meant what he said about conservatism's being the answer.
He was cheerleading for Trump at every turn LONG before he became the nominee.
That's just simply not true.
http://mediamatters.org/video/2016/02/10/rush-limbaugh-ted-cruz-is-the-closest-in-our-li/208509
From Feb. 10
Rush Limbaugh: Ted Cruz "Is The Closest In Our Lifetime We Have Ever Been To Ronald Reagan"
RUSH LIMBAUGH (HOST): Now about Cruz and his being self sufficient, there is no question about that. Here, let me just say something right off the bat, and I've said this before, I opened the program with it yesterday. When I saw what Jeb and Kasich were doing in New Hampshire, at the last minute in order to get votes, they were going left as fast as Dion Sanders can backpedal. They were moving left faster than anybody I've ever seen anyone go left. And I opened the program yesterday saying you will never, ever have to worry about that with Ted Cruz. And then I expanded on it, and let me say one -- if conservatism is your bag, if conservatism is the dominating factor in how you vote, there is no other choice for you in this campaign than Ted Cruz. Because you are exactly -- this is the closest in our lifetime we have ever been to Ronald Reagan, in terms of doctrinaire, understandable, articulated, implementable conservatism. There is nobody closer.
From March.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/rush-limbaugh-praises-ted-cruz-221164
Limbaugh: Media hate Cruz for his IQ, intelligence, talent, ability
Read more: http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/rush-limbaugh-praises-ted-cruz-221164#ixzz4IvXhdNJb
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The mainstream media can't compete with Ted Cruz's IQ, intelligence, talent and ability, and they hate him for that, Rush Limbaugh declared Wednesday.
Limbaugh vigorously defended the Republican presidential candidate from what he perceived as unfair treatment in interviews in which Cruz explained his call to expand policing of Muslim communities in the wake of the Brussels attacks. "You can practically touch that hatred as it comes out of their mouths when they question him," Limbaugh told his listeners, referring specifically to CBS's Norah O'Donnell, who interviewed Cruz Wednesday morning.
During that interview and others during a morning blitz, Cruz remarked that the New York Police Department had programs to monitor the Muslim community in the city until current Mayor Bill de Blasio ended the practice.
"Why do they hate Ted Cruz so much? Well yeah, partly it’s because he’s conservative. But why hate that?" said Limbaugh, who has not endorsed. "It’s more than—it’s threatening. And I’m just going to tell you in the case of Ted Cruz, every damned one of these people knows full well that they are not in his league in terms of IQ, in terms of intelligence, in terms of talent and ability. They can’t compete with him."
Members of the media then "ignore him," Limbaugh said, and when he does appear for interviews, "they usually resort to tactics of intimidation or putting him down or snark or some such thing to try and mask his intellectual superiority."
"They can’t keep up. They despise him. He’s a threat in that regard. You combine the kind of raw native intelligence Cruz has with his heartfelt conservatism and you have personified what the left fears the most, therefore what they hate, what they despise," Limbaugh continued, adding, "They know they’ll never be able to corral Cruz, they’ll never be able to control him. They will never be able to impugn him intellectually."
The media goes after him "in other ways," Limbaugh said, remarking that they will "do anything to ride and run down his personality or individual characteristic quirks or what have you. But they can’t take him on on substance."
The particular instance of Cruz defending his call for more stringent policing of Muslim communities "is even crazier," Limbaugh averred.
"This is simply the acknowledgment of a program previously put in place by a Republican administration and an NYPD mayor and continued under Obama and Mayor Doomberg, and yet they act like Ted Cruz is proposing something that’s 'never ever' been done, and it’s 'discriminatory' and it’s 'painting all Islamists, all Muslims with a broad brush,'" he said. "It boils over to not to attack Islam. Islam has nothing to do with terrorism. That’s what Obama and everybody in the media apparently want us to believe.”
Rush Limbaugh: What Ted Cruz did in Colorado isn't cheating its Winning
http://hotair.com/archives/2016/04/11/rush-limbaugh-what-ted-cruz-did-in-colorado-isnt-cheating-its-winning/
Now, what happened in Colorado is, I’m sorry to say, it’s not a trick. What happened in Colorado is right out in the open. Everybody’s known how Colorado runs its affairs. Everybody has known. Nobody just chose to look at it. It’s no secret that Colorado was gonna have a convention and they’re gonna choose their delegates before the primary. It’s not a secret. It’s just nobody leaked it. Nobody talked about it. Nobody bragged about it. So it was left to be discovered by people who didn’t know. And it turns out that people on the Trump campaign didn’t know…
So I don’t see Ted Cruz lying and cheating his way to the convention. I see a lot of hard work. I see some people who know what they have to do, given where they are. They’re in second place in both the vote count and the delegate count. They’re serious about winning. The Cruz team is serious about winning. They have made themselves fully aware of how the process works, and they’ve been out working it for quite a while. They went into Louisiana where Trump scored a massive win but they’ve come out of there with many more delegates than, by appearances, they should have.
Ted Cruz had goals. He worked the problem ’til he got the result he wanted. What he’s demonstrating, folks, he’s demonstrating he knows how to work himself within this insider labyrinth. He knows how to navigate it. He knows how to work it. He knows how to turn it to his advantage. You have to look at this and say, “Okay, what does this tell us about Cruz, if he should become president?“
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Rush may not have endorsed Trump, but he certainly legitimized him in the eyes of many who'd otherwise have dismissed him as a game show host.
In that sense, Rush (and others like Hannity) can be fairly blamed for Trump's rise and Clinton's election this November.
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That's just simply not true.
http://mediamatters.org/video/2016/02/10/rush-limbaugh-ted-cruz-is-the-closest-in-our-li/208509
From Feb. 10
Rush Limbaugh: Ted Cruz "Is The Closest In Our Lifetime We Have Ever Been To Ronald Reagan"
From March.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/rush-limbaugh-praises-ted-cruz-221164
Limbaugh: Media hate Cruz for his IQ, intelligence, talent, ability
Read more: http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/rush-limbaugh-praises-ted-cruz-221164#ixzz4IvXhdNJb
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Rush Limbaugh: What Ted Cruz did in Colorado isn't cheating its Winning
http://hotair.com/archives/2016/04/11/rush-limbaugh-what-ted-cruz-did-in-colorado-isnt-cheating-its-winning/
Rush said all of these things about Cruz. Which is why I will never forgive him for not taking the necessary next step and being honest about how Cruz compared to Trump as the conservative's candidate. He did not characterize Trump's charges against Cruz as lies, which they were. Instead he professed admiration for Trump's tactics and Trumps seeming imperviousness to media criticism.
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Rush said all of these things about Cruz. Which is why I will never forgive him for not taking the necessary next step and being honest about how Cruz compared to Trump as the conservative's candidate. Instead he said many, many more complimentary things about Trump.
As much as I love Cruz, there was still no way even he, was going to beat Hillary in the general. I find it very difficult to ever see a conservative as president again. Kind of hard to admit that fact. 8888crybaby
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As much as I love Cruz, there was still no way even he, was going to beat Hillary in the general. I find it very difficult to ever see a conservative as president again. Kind of hard to admit that fact. 8888crybaby
Well, according to the polls at the time he had a better shot at Hilary than Trump did.
And if there was ever a time when the planets seemed aligned for a constitutional conservative president it was this election, as weak as Hillary is.
Given demographic trends I doubt there'll be another such opportunity. Thanks alot Donald.
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Don't think I'd call Rush a huge Cruz supporter, at least not during this campaign. He acknowledged Cruz was the conservative of the bunch, but he never went any farther than that. It seemed to me Rush was far more impressed with Trump and his ability to say anything without consequence among his supporters.
You just posted exactly what I think. I could never quite get how he was adamant that Cruz was the most conservative candidate and then spend so much of each show going over what Trump was saying and doing in a manner that I felt was rather admiring.
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Rush said all of these things about Cruz. Which is why I will never forgive him for not taking the necessary next step and being honest about how Cruz compared to Trump as the conservative's candidate. He did not characterize Trump's charges against Cruz as lies, which they were. Instead he professed admiration for Trump's tactics and Trumps seeming imperviousness to media criticism.
Rush did say these things, which is proof that he was cheerleading for both candidates. From my perspective, I was hoping he would get on the Trump train earlier; you'd prefer him never to get on it. Either way, its dishonest to suggest that Limbaugh was just some Trump shill (which musiclady did). He would frequently gush over Cruz and he defended him against the character defamation Trump made.
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That's just simply not true.
http://mediamatters.org/video/2016/02/10/rush-limbaugh-ted-cruz-is-the-closest-in-our-li/208509
From Feb. 10
Rush Limbaugh: Ted Cruz "Is The Closest In Our Lifetime We Have Ever Been To Ronald Reagan"
From March.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/rush-limbaugh-praises-ted-cruz-221164
Limbaugh: Media hate Cruz for his IQ, intelligence, talent, ability
Read more: http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/rush-limbaugh-praises-ted-cruz-221164#ixzz4IvXhdNJb
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Rush Limbaugh: What Ted Cruz did in Colorado isn't cheating its Winning
http://hotair.com/archives/2016/04/11/rush-limbaugh-what-ted-cruz-did-in-colorado-isnt-cheating-its-winning/
I didn't say that Rush never acknowledged that Cruz was conservative. It's just that relative to the number of hours spent on how great Trump was, with absolutely no mention that he was a Democrat and a liberal one to boot, his few mentions of the truth about Cruz were inconsequential.
Hour after hour he praised Trump, never with the caveat that he wasn't even remotely conservative.
If you preferred the liberal Trump to the Conservative Cruz, it probably didn't bother you (clearly it didn't), but anyone who thought that Rush actually believed what he used to claim about conservatism got their eyes painfully opened during the primaries.
Rush loves Trump. He abandoned Cruz.
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Cheerleading for Trump at every turn? Limbaugh was definitely a Cruz guy before Trump became presumptive nominee, and he was reticent to support him. Once he gave him his support though, he has been staunch and unwavering.
You are correct. I'm not sure what others were listening to.
@Axel
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Rush did say these things, which is proof that he was cheerleading for both candidates. From my perspective, I was hoping he would get on the Trump train earlier; you'd prefer him never to get on it. Either way, its dishonest to suggest that Limbaugh was just some Trump shill (which musiclady did). He would frequently gush over Cruz and he defended him against the character defamation Trump made.
As a professed conservative, the fact that Rush got "on the Trump train" at all is a complete betrayal of every word he ever claimed he believed about conservative principles.
The fact that you're omitting in your analysis, is that Trump is a liberal......... he has the ideology that Rush used to batter on a daily basis.
And now he's head cheerleader for liberalism.
Betrayal.
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Rush did say these things, which is proof that he was cheerleading for both candidates. From my perspective, I was hoping he would get on the Trump train earlier; you'd prefer him never to get on it. Either way, its dishonest to suggest that Limbaugh was just some Trump shill (which musiclady did). He would frequently gush over Cruz and he defended him against the character defamation Trump made.
Except that Rush didn't bother to tell his listeners that Trump was actually lying to us about his immigration policies during the primaries. Why would that be?
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That's the first time I've actually listened to Rush's response to Rick's cogent call, and appropriate questions to him.
It's almost embarrassing to hear him, in arrogance and condescension, claim he never took Trump seriously, when, at the time, he was cheerleading for Trump at every turn, and never once said he didn't take Trump at his word.
He has lost ALL credibility, and it's a relief for me to no longer be a Rush listener.
He's a complete hypocrite.
This is the first segment of Rush that I have listened too in a very long time, maybe as long as a year or so. Yes, he is as intellectually dishonest as many others who are willing to sell their principles down the river, so long as their team wins. He almost admits as much to this caller.
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Don't think I'd call Rush a huge Cruz supporter, at least not during this campaign. He acknowledged Cruz was the conservative of the bunch, but he never went any farther than that. It seemed to me Rush was far more impressed with Trump and his ability to say anything without consequence among his supporters.
I think there is a narcissistic streak in Rush too that he realizes he can act like a puppet master in so many ways. Welding 15,000,000 listeners is a tool not to be taken lightly. Like in this case, he could have easily slammed Trump as a charlatan in the very beginning, and I believe Trump would have never gotten any traction.
Thanks El Rushbo.
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This is the first segment of Rush that I have listened too in a very long time, maybe as long as a year or so. Yes, he is as intellectually dishonest as many others who are willing to sell their principles down the river, so long as their team wins. He almost admits as much to this caller.
You're right, he does. And I wonder what this means. Is he admitting that he never really stood for anything that he claimed to, or is he admitting that he's sold his soul to the highest bidder, and a golf buddy?
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You're right, he does. And I wonder what this means. Is he admitting that he never really stood for anything that he claimed to, or is he admitting that he's sold his soul to the highest bidder, and a golf buddy?
If it is the latter, then it really means the former. Either answer means that he didn't really stood for anything that he claimed to be his principles. Principles ONLY matter in tough times.
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The bishops, cardinals and the pope of Conservative Talk Radio have all gone apostate (excepting Levin) on the very principles they preached that made up Reagan Conservatism.
They all got arrogant of their own power, their own ego - and like the corrupt pontiffs of old - thought they could just up and change the doctrines of the faith and create whole new allegiances and reasons to support Liberalism, as long as it punishes those they deem deserve it.
Like everything else in the country right now, apostasy of our foundations, our foundational principles, our foundational religious heritage, our foundation in the Constitution has been REPLACED - with the Now.
The Now is simply the justifications for embracing big government statism for punitive reasons.
A whole lot of millions want and demand to see their fellow inhabitants punished, hurt, harmed, ruined or destroyed.
A nation in such shape will consume itself in hot brightness in very, very, very short order. It's why so many want Trump. It's why so many are issuing death threats for treason if we do not sport Trump. It's the reason they are telling us they will "remember us" when the time comes.
Judgment is here, we just do not realize it yet - but a whole lot of people are going to suffer for where we have arrived.
Because few to none will dare even recognize it.
Trump has single-handedly destroyed the Conservative movement.
Just as he was bidden to do by the woman and party that charged him with the task.
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Trump has single-handedly destroyed the Conservative movement.
Just as he was bidden to do by the woman and party that charged him with the task.
Evidence?
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I didn't say that Rush never acknowledged that Cruz was conservative. It's just that relative to the number of hours spent on how great Trump was, with absolutely no mention that he was a Democrat and a liberal one to boot, his few mentions of the truth about Cruz were inconsequential.
Hour after hour he praised Trump, never with the caveat that he wasn't even remotely conservative.
If you preferred the liberal Trump to the Conservative Cruz, it probably didn't bother you (clearly it didn't), but anyone who thought that Rush actually believed what he used to claim about conservatism got their eyes painfully opened during the primaries.
Rush loves Trump. He abandoned Cruz.
What you said was Limbaugh was cheerleading for Trump and barely mentioned Cruz. What is factual is that Limbaugh was highly complimentary of Cruz, and he blamed his loss on the establishment going in against him. As for how much airtime was devoted to one candidate vs. the other? That's probably impossible for either of us to prove, but since Trump was the front-runner, it stands to reason that he was discussed more. Still, I remember Rush saying everyday, even as the odds grew overwhelmingly slim, that Cruz still had a path to the nomination and moreover, the right to continue running for the nomination.
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What you said was Limbaugh was cheerleading for Trump and barely mentioned Cruz. What is factual is that Limbaugh was highly complimentary of Cruz, and he blamed his loss on the establishment going in against him. As for how much airtime was devoted to one candidate vs. the other? That's probably impossible for either of us to prove, but since Trump was the front-runner, it stands to reason that he was discussed more. Still, I remember Rush saying everyday, even as the odds grew overwhelmingly slim, that Cruz still had a path to the nomination and moreover, the right to continue running for the nomination.
What is "factual" is that Rush's compliments of Cruz were few and far between relative to his cheerleading for Trump.
Since Cruz actually beat Trump in some states, an occasional mention relative to hours of cheerleading was bad enough.
But when you factor in (which you continue to refuse to do), the FACT that Trump is a LIBERAL, and that Rush was supposed to be opposed to liberalism, and that Cruz is a Constitutional Conservative, which Rush claimed to be in support of, then the imbalance was even more disturbing.
Again, the FACT that you omit, is that Rush spent a significantly higher percentage of time cheerleading for a liberal while relatively speaking barely mentioning the most Conservative candidate we've had since Reagan, is a betrayal of what Rush claimed to believe.
Until you include the liberalism of Trump in your arguments, you are denying the reality of what Rush did.
But since you clearly are a Trump guy and not opposed to liberalism, I understand why you're trying to ignore what Rush really did.
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Either way, its dishonest to suggest that Limbaugh was just some Trump shill.
As a 24/7 subscriber and daily listener - Limbaugh was EXACTLY a Trump shill since he got in the race.
He pretended to sit on the fence, but every single time Trump said something to stymie the media - Rush spent the majority of his time chortling with glee over Trump's ability to get away with anything that would have normally sunk another candidate, and that focus became the norm.
Rush never talked about Trump's lack of Conservatism and his overt liberalism. Rush went silent on Cruz in large measure when Trump's incessant and personal attacks started taking their toll. Mark Levin was the only host to actually call Trump out on those outrageous charges and claims and warned Trump to stop or risk losing Conservative support should he win the nomination. Rush was silent on all of that.
Instead all he did was turn his show into a cheerleading session disguised as 'analysis' of Trump's ability to slam the media and the Establishment and say and do anything he liked and not suffer for it.
When Limbaugh uttered the words to a caller who said she could never bring herself to vote for Trump if he won the nomination, "then you are voting for Hillary" - I was done. Canceled my 24/7 - turned him off and have not listened to him since.
It's no different than leaving a church that has gone apostate on foundational truths. If the leadership corrupts their own congregations, the only recourse is to leave and go elsewhere to maintain and proclaim the truth.
Limbaugh's show - as well as a majority of the other pretend-Rght Wing media, are just apostates to what they paid lip service to all these years.
In Rush's case - I think he ceded all reason and sense and principles to marvel and support a golf buddy. Now he admits he misled his entire audience and betrayed the very things he preached.
Evidence?
The fruits of what Trump has accomplished in dividing and rendering totally irrelevant - Constitutional Conservatives, while supporting the very Establishment you people falsely believed he opposed. The fact he refused to hit Hillary as hard as he hit Cruz, Rubio and Fiorina. Said he was 'bored' with having to call out Hillary on her crap. The fact he has become a cartoon stereotype of every Left-wing depiction of Conservatives. The words of praise for Hillary as SecState, the funding he provided the Clintons and their foundations. Shall I go on? Or will you go and ignore, re-explain, or justify those things as your fellow acolytes have?
Your guy is a Trojan Stalking Horse for Hillary. And always has been.
But you will never see it. You are too invested in the cult of personality that is fast becoming a religion with so many rabid supporters.
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What is "factual" is that Rush's compliments of Cruz were few and far between relative to his cheerleading for Trump.
Since Cruz actually beat Trump in some states, an occasional mention relative to hours of cheerleading was bad enough.
But when you factor in (which you continue to refuse to do), the FACT that Trump is a LIBERAL, and that Rush was supposed to be opposed to liberalism, and that Cruz is a Constitutional Conservative, which Rush claimed to be in support of, then the imbalance was even more disturbing.
Again, the FACT that you omit, is that Rush spent a significantly higher percentage of time cheerleading for a liberal while relatively speaking barely mentioning the most Conservative candidate we've had since Reagan, is a betrayal of what Rush claimed to believe.
Until you include the liberalism of Trump in your arguments, you are denying the reality of what Rush did.
But since you clearly are a Trump guy and not opposed to liberalism, I understand why you're trying to ignore what Rush really did.
I'm not going to waste any more time with you. As soon as you learn to provide evidence for your opinions and stop stating them as facts then we can consider a debate.
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Don't think I'd call Rush a huge Cruz supporter, at least not during this campaign. He acknowledged Cruz was the conservative of the bunch, but he never went any farther than that. It seemed to me Rush was far more impressed with Trump and his ability to say anything without consequence among his supporters.
That's what I heard, too. "Cruz is a good guy and a good conservative, but did you see what Trump did? Trump...Trump...Trump...Trump...Trump...Trump...Trump"
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As a 24/7 subscriber and daily listener - Limbaugh was EXACTLY a Trump shill since he got in the race.
He pretended to sit on the fence, but every single time Trump said something to stymie the media - Rush spent the majority of his time chortling with glee over Trump's ability to get away with anything that would have normally sunk another candidate, and that focus became the norm.
Ditto....I have been a daily listener since 91 but let my 24/7 subscription expire last year...
I agree with just about everything you posted...I got so aggravated with Rush not promoting the conservative candidates, instead he would say that it wasn't his job..he was just there to analyze what was happening...He really pissed me off by letting Trump get away with all the name calling and lies about the other candidates...although he mentioned it he seemed more amused on how Trump was getting away with all this....just totally disappointed in Rush is all I can say.
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The fruits of what Trump has accomplished in dividing and rendering totally irrelevant - Constitutional Conservatives, while supporting the very Establishment you people falsely believed he opposed. The fact he refused to hit Hillary as hard as he hit Cruz, Rubio and Fiorina. Said he was 'bored' with having to call out Hillary on her crap. The fact he has become a cartoon stereotype of every Left-wing depiction of Conservatives. The words of praise for Hillary as SecState, the funding he provided the Clintons and their foundations. Shall I go on? Or will you go and ignore, re-explain, or justify those things as your fellow acolytes have?
Your guy is a Trojan Stalking Horse for Hillary. And always has been.
But you will never see it. You are too invested in the cult of personality that is fast becoming a religion with so many rabid supporters.
Just a reminder of what you said earlier
Just as he was bidden to do by the woman and party that charged him with the task.
I want proof of intent for this statement.
Proof that it was his intention to divide constitutional conservatives.
Evidence that he intended to get Hillary elected, based on information relevant to this campaign - not campaign contributions he made when he was not running for public office, years ago.
The fact he has become a cartoon stereotype of every Left-wing depiction of Conservatives.
How is this relevant?
The fact he refused to hit Hillary as hard as he hit Cruz, Rubio and Fiorina.
Please tell me, what is he holding back?
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That's what I heard, too. "Cruz is a good guy and a good conservative, but did you see what Trump did? Trump...Trump...Trump...Trump...Trump...Trump...Trump"
Perhaps we'd like hold Rush to a higher standard, but this is what everyone in the media did. Just look here at the Politics forum, every time HRC is mentioned the conversation quickly shifts back to Trump. Trump supporters can't get enough Trump-related news, and neither can his detractors.
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I'm not going to waste any more time with you. As soon as you learn to provide evidence for your opinions and stop stating them as facts then we can consider a debate.
Cool.
You won't acknowledge the most important factor in the equation, and then run away rather than admit its validity.
I'm glad I "wasted" this time with you.
Not only has Rush been "exposed" as someone who supports liberalism, but so have you.
It's good to know going forward that you also oppose the values that made America great in the first place. Always good when the masks come off and the underbelly revealed.
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Perhaps we'd like hold Rush to a higher standard, but this is what everyone in the media did. Just look here at the Politics forum, every time HRC is mentioned the conversation quickly shifts back to Trump. Trump supporters can't get enough Trump-related news, and neither can his detractors.
Well, yes, we did hold Rush to a higher standard. That's why so many of us listened to him!
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Cool.
You won't acknowledge the most important factor in the equation, and then run away rather than admit its validity.
I'm glad I "wasted" this time with you.
Not only has Rush been "exposed" as someone who supports liberalism, but so have you.
It's good to know going forward that you also oppose the values that made America great in the first place. Always good when the masks come off and the underbelly revealed.
Learn to support your arguments better and maybe you'll have better luck convincing people.
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The "Doctor of Democracy" has become its executioner
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I agree that Rush was more philosophically in tune with Cruz, but like all the rest in the media, he recognized that talking about Trump got more ears, so he devoted a lot more time to analyzing Trump's campaign. He rarely criticized Trump's credentials or positions, but many times did say he did not think Trump was a conservative. He continually praised Trump's campaign, and tried to explain why he thought the guy was so popular.
In the end, I think Rush thinks he pushed Cruz as best he could without going full-tilt anti-Trump. Anyone who listens to Rush regularly could read between the lines that he thought Cruz was a better fit ideologically to conservatism.
What Rush fails to recognize is the degree to which he and the rest of the media helped Trump by giving him so much exposure early on. It shut out the ability of other candidates to get their messages heard.
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Learn to support your arguments better and maybe you'll have better luck convincing people.
You can't convince a person with facts whose mind is sealed shut.
As long as you deny the importance of the fact that Rush claimed to be conservative and betrayed that with his cheerleading for Trump (during the primaries), you'll never be "convinced" of an argument involving that particular truth.
But as I said, it's good to know how liberal you are.
Good bye, Axel. It's been cool chatting with you.....
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Just a reminder of what you said earlier
I want proof of intent for this statement.
Proof that it was his intention to divide constitutional conservatives.
Evidence that he intended to get Hillary elected, based on information relevant to this campaign - not campaign contributions he made when he was not running for public office, years ago.
Based on your replies to everyone else on this thread - nothing we provide you will matter or convince you, you are a True Believer. So it will be a waste of time attempting to do so since we have already listed myriad fruits of those things Trump has already caused in terms of dividing Conservatives further and further apart, and you just discount it all.
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I agree that Rush was more philosophically in tune with Cruz, but like all the rest in the media, he recognized that talking about Trump got more ears, so he devoted a lot more time to analyzing Trump's campaign. He rarely criticized Trump's credentials or positions, but many times did say he did not think Trump was a conservative. He continually praised Trump's campaign, and tried to explain why he thought the guy was so popular.
In the end, I think Rush thinks he pushed Cruz as best he could without going full-tilt anti-Trump. Anyone who listens to Rush regularly could read between the lines that he thought Cruz was a better fit ideologically to conservatism.
What Rush fails to recognize is the degree to which he and the rest of the media helped Trump by giving him so much exposure early on. It shut out the ability of other candidates to get their messages heard.
I caught those subtle hints but I don't think it was enough...instead of promoting him more he let the Trump phenomenon over power his show.
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My two cents. In the beginning of primary season, Limbaugh claimed to be unbiased and for a short while he was. He was at first appalled by Trump's insults and accusations and he spoke highly of Cruz. When Cruz dropped out; Limbaugh started to sing a much different tune praising Trump and backing him. That hasn't changed. I find it insulting that Limbaugh has to interpret what Trump 'means' and continues to stick up for the buffoon. Limbaugh is siding with party but in doing so, he fails to point out what a liberal he really is and has compromised his own principles.
Beck and Levin are the only two worth listening to. Both of them have stuck to their principles. Both of them have their own shows. Limbaugh and Hannity will join Trump network when it emerges and the three of them will try to convince their audience that they are the new voices of conservative talk radio. I hope it flops quite frankly.
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I caught those subtle hints but I don't think it was enough...instead of promoting him more he let the Trump phenomenon over power his show.
Yes. I think, like Drudge and others, he recognized that Trump was better for business. Not only would he get more audience for the Fall, but a Trump presidency would always provide more fodder to chew on each day. And if Trump lost, the audience will want to tune in for therapy as Hillary will be the person they love to hate.
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Nothing Rush does will ever matter to his brainless, idiot listeners. They're worse than liberals IMO.
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Limbaugh's show - as well as a majority of the other pretend-Rght Wing media, are just apostates to what they paid lip service to all these years.
Been saying that and taking liberal crap for saying that for years.
And that INCLUDES Levin. Because every election they ALL line up behind whatever POS the GOP fronts, regardless of the fact they may have spent months trashing that person.
I fully expect Levin will cave again. Yes. AGAIN.
No one wants to hear that either because they want someone to white knight this. I get it. But Invar, you of all others here know your history. When it was time for him to stand up and say no to Romney, the father of Obamacare, Gay marriage and numerous laws on abortion, Mr. Conservative barked like a moonbat and told his audience to vote for the POS in a very Robinsonian manner.
That is as conservative as Chi Guevara. I wouldn't trust Mark Levin to make me a sandwich must less tell me about right/wrong/conservative/liberal because he PROVED through action that he put his career as a talking head over his country and his belief in the words coming out of his mouth.
Limbaugh lost me when he said on air back when Pelosi and Reid ruled the roost he was 'done carrying water for the GOP".
Hannity has always been a GOP frontman
Inghram was always a female Rush wannabee.
Coulter hasn't been on the farm in about 10 years and likely never actually was.
Anyone with enough interest in politics to post regularly on a political forum has enough intelligence to see the world around them and from that information, deduce what got us to today. Unfortunately for most, and the general population, it's all about pride, emotion and a flat unwillingness to accept the evidence their eyes show them.
So now we devolve into Euro-Merica. At best. And the Pied Pipers of conservative media aren't to blame. They just share blame. The real culprit is the damn fools that refused to listen to anyone telling them to open their eyes to reality. they elected the liberals these 'icons' told them to without a thought in their heads.
How many times have we seen people say "Well if it's good enough for Rush/Hannity/Levin etc. it's good enough for me"?
A LOT.
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Except that Rush didn't bother to tell his listeners that Trump was actually lying to us about his immigration policies during the primaries. Why would that be?
QFT. This is the point to make about this whole story. I don't listen to Rush often enough to know what he said over the course of the last year. How critical was he of people like Kasich, Rubio, Bush, etc? Did he ever point out times when he thought these people were lying, or inventing new narratives for themselves to bolster their support? If he did for them, but not for Trump, I don't think that speaks well to Rush's character.
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Nothing Rush does will ever matter to his brainless, idiot listeners. They're worse than liberals IMO.
Except that Rush has lost a lot of regular listeners due to his revelation that he's not a conservative after all.
They aren't all idiots.
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Yes. I think, like Drudge and others, he recognized that Trump was better for business. Not only would he get more audience for the Fall, but a Trump presidency would always provide more fodder to chew on each day. And if Trump lost, the audience will want to tune in for therapy as Hillary will be the person they love to hate.
Rush knows that he screwed the pouch this time and his show yesterday is all the proof anyone should ever need!
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First off, Limbaugh has always had a policy of not endorsing and remaining more-or-less neutral in primaries.
Second, Limbaugh and Trump go back several years, especially when Trump donated to Limbaugh's radiothons for lymphoma.
If Rush had been in the tank for Trump as some here have claimed, you'd know it. You would've heard the "Lyin' Ted" meme and innuendo given a platform on Rush's show. He didn't do that—thankfully. Considering Trump's donations, that's something that is a pleasant surprise.
So criticize him all you want for not standing up to Trump as much as he should have, but he was far from being in the tank for Trump. Now, Sean Hannity, on the other hand? He's in the tank for Trump.
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My two cents. In the beginning of primary season, Limbaugh claimed to be unbiased and for a short while he was. He was at first appalled by Trump's insults and accusations and he spoke highly of Cruz. When Cruz dropped out; Limbaugh started to sing a much different tune praising Trump and backing him.
It started long before Cruz dropped out
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First off, Limbaugh has always had a policy of not endorsing and remaining more-or-less neutral in primaries.
Second, Limbaugh and Trump go back several years, especially when Trump donated to Limbaugh's radiothons for lymphoma.
If Rush had been in the tank for Trump as some here have claimed, you'd know it. You would've heard the "Lyin' Ted" meme and innuendo given a platform on Rush's show. He didn't do that—thankfully. Considering Trump's donations, that's something that is a pleasant surprise.
So criticize him all you want for not standing up to Trump as much as he should have, but he was far from being in the tank for Trump. Now, Sean Hannity, on the other hand? He's in the tank for Trump.
Sean jumped out of the tank and up tRump's Rump a long time ago. It's got to be really crowed up there by now.
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Based on your replies to everyone else on this thread - nothing we provide you will matter or convince you, you are a True Believer. So it will be a waste of time attempting to do so since we have already listed myriad fruits of those things Trump has already caused in terms of dividing Conservatives further and further apart, and you just discount it all.
You're right, opinions that are stated as fact without supporting evidence will not convince me. Your notion that Trump is secretly taking directives from the Clinton Camp and is intentionally trying to divide the conservatives is your unsubstantiated opinion. Likewise any suggestion that Trump is trying to "throw the election" is a great conspiracy -- but where's the evidence?
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he only defended Trumps lies, not endorsed him
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First off, Limbaugh has always had a policy of not endorsing and remaining more-or-less neutral in primaries.
Second, Limbaugh and Trump go back several years, especially when Trump donated to Limbaugh's radiothons for lymphoma.
If Rush had been in the tank for Trump as some here have claimed, you'd know it. You would've heard the "Lyin' Ted" meme and innuendo given a platform on Rush's show. He didn't do that—thankfully. Considering Trump's donations, that's something that is a pleasant surprise.
So criticize him all you want for not standing up to Trump as much as he should have, but he was far from being in the tank for Trump. Now, Sean Hannity, on the other hand? He's in the tank for Trump.
The problem is that Rush covered up Trump's liberalism, and that was tantamount to endorsing him.
If he hadn't wanted Trump to win the primary, he would have told the truth about him.
But he didn't.
So that's being "in the tank," whether he's a sicko like Hannity is, or not.
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Rush may not have endorsed Trump, but he certainly legitimized him in the eyes of many who'd otherwise have dismissed him as a game show host.
In that sense, Rush (and others like Hannity) can be fairly blamed for Trump's rise and Clinton's election this November.
Yes. About halfway through the primaries, Limbaugh came down with Trump brain-fever.
He could have shut down Roger Stone's slander machine. He could have laid the facts out honestly - without even shilling for Cruz. But you could see he was getting giggly seeing the mediuh react to Trump's crudity and impolitic responses.
You know what? I liked that, too. I had a reason for liking it; and those were not Trump's reasons for doing it.
I liked that, and Limbaugh no doubt liked that, and many conservatives liked that, because the mediuh in this country is a mental-hospital full of liars and sociopaths. Living off the opportunity of a free society, they work 24/7 to DESTROY that free society, turn it into a Marxist hellhole. So, yeah, my first impressions were good.
I'm honest enough with myself to admit when I'm wrong about first impressions. Obviously Trump wasn't doing it because he hated the media; he was doing it because he liked making a spectacle and being outrageous. He cannot tell between dissing media that deserves dissing; and slandering and destroying the reputation of competitor and challenger who is challenging on grounds of PRINCIPLES and POLITICAL PLANS.
And obviously Limbaugh doesn't have the ability to admit when HE was wrong; so he's doubling down...compounding it every step. What would have been some egg on the face is now going to be the destruction of his career...and of America.
And it was an obvious early misjudgment - the difference between dishing out what is due and destroying a man's good name; his father's good name; the names of women who probably had nothing to do with the object of this destruction. Even calling the man's citizenship into question.
It almost-certainly won't happen. But it would be sweet revenge if Donnie the Tammany Bagman finds himself in office, overwhelmed, Impeached and on trial in the Senate. With Cruz as the critical vote.
Sweet revenge.
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Beck and Levin are the only two worth listening to. Both of them have stuck to their principles. Both of them have their own shows. Limbaugh and Hannity will join Trump network when it emerges and the three of them will try to convince their audience that they are the new voices of conservative talk radio. I hope it flops quite frankly.
Beck is a NUT!
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First off, Limbaugh has always had a policy of not endorsing and remaining more-or-less neutral in primaries.
Second, Limbaugh and Trump go back several years, especially when Trump donated to Limbaugh's radiothons for lymphoma.
If Rush had been in the tank for Trump as some here have claimed, you'd know it. You would've heard the "Lyin' Ted" meme and innuendo given a platform on Rush's show. He didn't do that—thankfully. Considering Trump's donations, that's something that is a pleasant surprise.
So criticize him all you want for not standing up to Trump as much as he should have, but he was far from being in the tank for Trump. Now, Sean Hannity, on the other hand? He's in the tank for Trump.
:thumbsup3:
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Beck is a NUT!
He's a bit off center. However, he's also principled, fearless and does some damned good research.
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He's a bit off center. However, he's also principled, fearless and does some damned good research.
Didn't he once weep openly saying to the world that he was going blind? What ever happened to that?
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You're right, opinions that are stated as fact without supporting evidence will not convince me. Your notion that Trump is secretly taking directives from the Clinton Camp and is intentionally trying to divide the conservatives is your unsubstantiated opinion. Likewise any suggestion that Trump is trying to "throw the election" is a great conspiracy -- but where's the evidence?
The fruits speak for themselves.
You willfully ignore them.
But take heart - the near entirety of the country is infected with a fatal case of Normalcy Bias - and they refuse to see what is plainly self-evident also.
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If Rush had been in the tank for Trump as some here have claimed, you'd know it. You would've heard the "Lyin' Ted" meme and innuendo given a platform on Rush's show.
For being the so-called 'Truth Detector', Rush never once said a word against Trump's blatant lies and smear campaign being waged against every other Conservative candidate in the race by Trump. Not the outlandish stuff he said about Carson, Fiorina, Rubio or especially Cruz. Rush actually got tickled about the fact that Trump's warfare politics of personal destruction of Conservatives did not affect his standing among his rabid followers - even when he media helped him trumpet those charges. Levin was the only show host to caution Trump about doing so. Limbaugh was absent and silent on that issue, and on issues where Trump was no different in his policies than Sanders or Clinton (i.e.: tariffs, planned parenthood, trade and the like).
No sir. Rush tried to be subtle and appear as just an analyst, but he made it very clear to my ears whom he was actually pulling for. His remarks to a woman caller BEFORE the convention is what finally put the nail in the coffin of my listening to his show ever again.
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Didn't he once weep openly saying to the world that he was going blind? What ever happened to that?
I had to go look that up. He apparently has macular corneal dystrophy which can, and in some cases does cause blindness.
http://www.mastereyeassociates.com/eye-care-news-blog/glenn-becks-eyes-macular-corneal-dystrophy
I'm not sure what point you were making.
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day after day he defended Trump from conservative callers, and he says he never took Trump seriously??
I kinda sympathize with Rush. He knew Trump was full of crap, however, many of his listeners were too dumb to figure it out. I noted Rush's constant drumbeat about how Trump's followers were going to support him no matter what. How Trump had connected with them emotionally. So, I think he he tried to walk the fence and ride it out. Perhaps, with the hope that when the time came, they would finally listen to reason. The time hasn't come, and now the GOP is stuck with an awful nominee in an easily winnable election. And we could have had Ted Cruz. Such a shame.
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Didn't he once weep openly saying to the world that he was going blind? What ever happened to that?
The nuns used to tell us that all the time. May be he took the advice before he lost his vision and grew hair on his palms.
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QFT. This is the point to make about this whole story. I don't listen to Rush often enough to know what he said over the course of the last year. How critical was he of people like Kasich, Rubio, Bush, etc? Did he ever point out times when he thought these people were lying, or inventing new narratives for themselves to bolster their support? If he did for them, but not for Trump, I don't think that speaks well to Rush's character.
This really was a race between Cruz and Trump, the others were never factors.
Immigration was Trump's signal issue. It more than any other accounted for his success in the primaries.
If Rush knew Trump was misleading voters on this issue yet didn't tell his listeners, especially when the other candidate, whom Rush (the 'doctor of democracy') himself said was the real conservative of the two, was still a viable option then this is all I need to know about Rush Limbaugh.
Also, Rush's reaction the morning after Cruz's convention speech was instructive. He was as indignant as Hannity, he just reigned himself in sooner. It seems that someone who claims to hold the Constitution and individual freedom so dear would not have reacted to Cruz's words in that manner.
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I fully expect Levin will cave again. Yes. AGAIN.
Perhaps. I have not yet heard him tell anyone that in order to stop Hillary we must vote Trump. I've heard him state repeatedly that Conservatives do not have anyone running to represent them this election (he is still stuck on dismissing a 3rd party as having any viable chance.
When it was time for him to stand up and say no to Romney, the father of Obamacare, Gay marriage and numerous laws on abortion, Mr. Conservative barked like a moonbat and told his audience to vote for the POS in a very Robinsonian manner.
I remember. The 'we must stop Obama no matter what' rant.
I am willing to lend some grace as he is the only talk radio host I have heard who actually has stuck to his stated principles - and repeated over and over that Trump is no Conservative. That may change tomorrow - but thusfar, Levin seems resigned to the fate we must suffer, albeit he still pins hopes on an article V convention.
I remain unmoved because the lawless Ruling Class are not going to abide any laws they are not the author of.
We have already lost the Constitution and the Republic, Levin is the only media person who has alluded to that fact. Attacking the last Apologist for Conservatism in media over his past mistakes of going with the sh*t sandwich and encouraging others to take a bite has so far not materialized yet. Levin has stated he "may end up" voting for Trump, but it will not be out of any love for the candidate or respect for his positions. That's still better than the propaganda being flung from everyone else on talk radio.
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Levin has stated he "may end up" voting for Trump,
That is ALL anyone needs to know about the man. He preaches conservatism one day and then admits he 'may' vote for the man that has all but destroyed it as a viable force the next. Think about it Invar, thats like Washington saying he 'may' side with King George when the Redcoats land because the alternative would be bad.
The mere fact he holds such a possibility in his head is proof positive that his conservatism is on par with the other talking heads. And thats why he's not to be trusted. These are his words and actions. I didn't make them up. He did.
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You're right, opinions that are stated as fact without supporting evidence will not convince me. Your notion that Trump is secretly taking directives from the Clinton Camp and is intentionally trying to divide the conservatives is your unsubstantiated opinion. Likewise any suggestion that Trump is trying to "throw the election" is a great conspiracy -- but where's the evidence?
The evidence is the whole of his behavior.
Instead of moving forward with positive proposals and plans, Trump, after the convention, used his moment in the limelight to beat up conservatives and Cruz - and to blow kisses to the SOCIALISTS who back Bern-knee.
He rejects conservatives' views and desires - and he insults us with his slanders of our chosen candidate. Cruz didn't win; we get that. But Cruz was NOT AN ISSUE...AFTER the convention, even less than DURING the convention. Making an @ss of himself by repeating Stone's brainless slanders about Rafael Cruz...IT IS AN INSULT TO OUR INTELLIGENCE.
That kind of j@ck@ss, we do NOT need as President - much less as candidate of "our" party. I'm supposed to overlook this? The insult, to intellect and to integrity; the repugnance of his trying to out-Free the Free D Party; the REFUSAL to discuss serious issues - less TWO SPEECHES, good speeches, which annoyed him so much he fired the people who pressured him to make them.
HE IS A CLOWN. His whole behavior for ten months, shows he's nothing but a clown.
Good luck trying to push him on the nation. You have the Free S__t Army; and the RINOs who're annoyed their Prince, Shrub, didn't get handed the tiara. Conservatives COULD have sucked it up...but Trump and his big stupid mouth made that impossible.
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For being the so-called 'Truth Detector', Rush never once said a word against Trump's blatant lies and smear campaign being waged against every other Conservative candidate in the race by Trump. Not the outlandish stuff he said about Carson, Fiorina, Rubio or especially Cruz. Rush actually got tickled about the fact that Trump's warfare politics of personal destruction of Conservatives did not affect his standing among his rabid followers - even when he media helped him trumpet those charges. Levin was the only show host to caution Trump about doing so. Limbaugh was absent and silent on that issue, and on issues where Trump was no different in his policies than Sanders or Clinton (i.e.: tariffs, planned parenthood, trade and the like).
No sir. Rush tried to be subtle and appear as just an analyst, but he made it very clear to my ears whom he was actually pulling for. His remarks to a woman caller BEFORE the convention is what finally put the nail in the coffin of my listening to his show ever again.
Exactly, he didn't fool me either.
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That is ALL anyone needs to know about the man. He preaches conservatism one day and then admits he 'may' vote for the man that has all but destroyed it as a viable force the next. Think about it Invar, thats like Washington saying he 'may' side with King George when the Redcoats land because the alternative would be bad.
The mere fact he holds such a possibility in his head is proof positive that his conservatism is on par with the other talking heads. And thats why he's not to be trusted. These are his words and actions. I didn't make them up. He did.
Look, Levin has done more to articulate the principles of Conservatism and discuss them and make them available FREE on his site to anyone. Outside of his books - which of themselves are excellent articulations of the Founding principles and the Left's efforts to destroy them, Levin has done a hell of a lot more for the Conservative movement than you or I ever have, and whether we would rather he not vote for the liberal with the 'R' after his name does not diminish his contributions - or his current bashing of Trump for what he really is. He IS the ONLY GUY out there doing it - and doing it using historical lessons and illustrations of Conservative principles articulated by everyone from Locke to Reagan to illustrate how far Left Trump really is - and that his 'make America Great again' is just a sham and con.
Sure, in this age and time it is foolish to trust ANY man. Levin still has to maintain an audience and lure advertisers, but unlike the rest he has not thusfar sold them out completely to push Trump on us.
You and I can speculate he is still a stooge to the party, but I discern that is no longer the case. He gives me the impression he would like to say that Trump will do less damage than Hildabeast and thus justify his voting for him, but he honestly cannot do that given how Trump continues to behave and articulate Leftist principles and policies that are even to the Left of Hillary. Levin has fielded myriad calls from neverTrumps who told him they absolutely cannot vote for Trump under any circumstance - and rather than massage and deflect, Levin has always said he understands why and does not blame them for their choice. He did blast one nut who told him he was going to vote for Hillary instead. But those who said they are going to vote Castle or 3rd party - Levin has been pretty gracious to them.
If levin can be persuaded, he may be the best voice the Constitution party has to establish itself and viability in the future in terms of building itself as a home for Conservatism.
I think writing off Levin at this point is premature, and possibly throwing away a vehicle to help articulate the need for Conservatives to exodus en masse from the GOP. We may disagree on this point - but I'm willing to wait and see, and I'm willing to be wrong. There is no one else left with hard credentials to give us a voice who has not completely betrayed us, pandered to the Left or is bat guano crazy.
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You and I can speculate he is still a stooge to the party, but I discern that is no longer the case.
Then perhaps you forgot that he threatened on at least two seperate occasions he was 'that close' to leaving the GOP.
The GOP them passed a couple dozen of the worst policies Obama demanded, then attacked Ted Cruz, Then nominated Donald "I donated to Bloomberg, Killary and various liberal causes" Trump.
I used to refer to that on FR as "The Galactic inch" because he seems to have a pretty LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOng measurement for 'That close". And that was BEFORE the Cruz/Trump idiocy by the GOP.
He's still there because he refuses to stand behind the words he speaks. That is yet another bit of proof positive that he is no different than the rest. I'm sorry Invar. He has said and done many good things in the past. But he has helped empower this evil. He had the chance, repeatedly to stand up and he has done nothing but cave in. Thats the unfortunate history.
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Then perhaps you forgot that he threatened on at least two seperate occasions he was 'that close' to leaving the GOP.
The GOP them passed a couple dozen of the worst policies Obama demanded, then attacked Ted Cruz, Then nominated Donald "I donated to Bloomberg, Killary and various liberal causes" Trump.
I used to refer to that on FR as "The Galactic inch" because he seems to have a pretty LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOng measurement for 'That close". And that was BEFORE the Cruz/Trump idiocy by the GOP.
He's still there because he refuses to stand behind the words he speaks. That is yet another bit of proof positive that he is no different than the rest. I'm sorry Invar. He has said and done many good things in the past. But he has helped empower this evil. He had the chance, repeatedly to stand up and he has done nothing but cave in. Thats the unfortunate history.
Well, we can either continue to bash everyone over past actions and blame them for everything or move forward and attempt to get what remains of the Conservative movement to coalesce around another Conservative outsider party.
What is important to me is that I have left the failed stupid party, which is nothing but another arm of the Ruling Class Oligarchy running D.C. Whether national radio hosts do or not is irrelevant to me in terms of getting my dander up because they talk all big and bad but have failed to actually follow through with their threats.
This cycle remains to be seen whether or not he will fold and practice insanity again, or actually write in or go 3rd party. Like you, I doubt he will - but I will say that I will not be terribly surprised if he does. Especially if the Trump gaffe machine and all the bashing he is getting from his former colleagues continues. He is getting pissed to the point of bashing back on social media, former friends even. Given how it was the Trump Militant themselves who pushed me from simply not voting for Trump to activism against their prince, they may push Levin to do what he actually threatened to do.
Not that it will make any difference at this point anyway. We saw our last somewhat legit national election back in 2008.
Levin I am assuming really thought the GOP could be reformed from within by pushing true Conservatives in primaries and in congressional races, even though we knew back in 2012 that the rules changes made ensured no possible grassroots could wrest control away from the oligarchs. We watched those changes take their toll on nearly every Conservative running in that party this cycle. In fact, that the GOP has chosen to oust and primary every single TEA Party Conservative in their ranks was only discussed by Levin. None of the others even mentioned it.
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Levin I am assuming really thought the GOP could be reformed from within by pushing true Conservatives in primaries and in congressional races, even though we knew back in 2012 that the rules changes made ensured no possible grassroots could wrest control away from the oligarchs. We watched those changes take their toll on nearly every Conservative running in that party this cycle. In fact, that the GOP has chosen to oust and primary every single TEA Party Conservative in their ranks was only discussed by Levin. None of the others even mentioned it.
If he thought that, a man of his position in media with actual time in DC, then it speaks poorly for him. It's a simple question of logic.
"Will electing people on the left of the party enable you to help people on the right get into office?
For years now, some of us predicted exactly this scenario that occurred. We predicted the cave ins, the attacks on conservatives and even a hard left guy like Trump being pushed for the presidency. We called it 100%. He has no excuse.
Side note:
"Well, we can either continue to bash everyone over past actions and blame them for everything or move forward and attempt to get what remains of the Conservative movement to coalesce around another Conservative outsider party."
I think of it as the very conservative principle of holding people to account for their actions. As for the remanants of conservatism, that will be for our kids to sort out. There arent enough actual conservatives in America to fill Yankee Stadium. I hate it, but I think the facts bear it out.
Trump. McCain. Ghramm. Mitch. Paulie. They all got their noms or won. All our so called icons turned tail and ran left. The best we few can do is go down fighting then laugh as the liberals destroy themselves.
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Beck is a NUT!
Actually, if you look back over the past several years as to what people have called him 'nuts' over, nine times out of ten he has proven he's been right on the money.
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Actually, if you look back over the past several years as to what people have called him 'nuts' over, nine times out of ten he has proven he's been right on the money.
Yeah, he may be a nut but he's been amazingly accurate.
He predicted the Arab spring right down to its start in Tunisia.
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Rush was not neutral.
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One can read a lot of Trump supporters at FR do not like Rush.
They think he's been against them actually.
Rush has always been loyal to Republicans, he's been loyal to Dubya but has loathed the border policy of GWB.
This is just red meat to the Trump haters.
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Rush was not neutral.
He may not have taken part in calling Ted Cruz a liar but he sure didn't demand any proof of it or defend Cruz in any meaningful way.
Its no different than the way the simpletons on FOX and Friends nodded politely when Trump threw out the completely insane claim about Rafael Cruz being involved in the JFK assassination. One of the most insane claims ever made in a presidential election and few in the "right media" felt it was worthy of being questioned or challenged. Then the very next day, Wolf Blitzer did challenge Trump on it and Trump admitted that he never believed it but "I wanted to win".
So basically you have an insane claim going unchallenged only to be followed by an admission to lying about it also being unchallenged by the so called "right media". This in turn freed Trump up to return to repeating the original lie.
For all the information value to be found in most of today's "right media" we may as well get rid of Hannity, Limbaugh, Ingram etc and replace them with Art Bell, George Noory, and Alex Jones.
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He may not have taken part in calling Ted Cruz a liar but he sure didn't demand any proof of it or defend Cruz in any meaningful way.
Its no different than the way the simpletons on FOX and Friends nodded politely when Trump threw out the completely insane claim about Rafael Cruz being involved in the JFK assassination. One of the most insane claims ever made in a presidential election and few in the "right media" felt it was worthy of being questioned or challenged. Then the very next day, Wolf Blitzer did challenge Trump on it and Trump admitted that he never believed it but "I wanted to win".
So basically you have an insane claim going unchallenged only to be followed by an admission to lying about it also being unchallenged by the so called "right media". This in turn freed Trump up to return to repeating the original lie.
For all the information value to be found in most of today's "right media" we may as well get rid of Hannity, Limbaugh, Ingram etc and replace them with Art Bell, George Noory, and Alex Jones.
This is a good point... but if this is what it takes to win in politics these days... liberals do this stuff all the time. Just make ridiculous untrue assertions that may or may not stick and may or may not be true (not that it matters). We'll see if Trump is "our scumbag" who can take out the libs. I don't "support Trump" but I will vote for him. Destroying liberalism is that important and if Trump can do this stuff to Hillary and have it stick then so be it.
A lot of this stuff is as old as America, didn't the 1800 election between Jefferson and Adams involve this kind of stuff?
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This is a good point... but if this is what it takes to win in politics these days... liberals do this stuff all the time. Just make ridiculous untrue assertions that may or may not stick and may or may not be true (not that it matters). We'll see if Trump is "our scumbag" who can take out the libs. I don't "support Trump" but I will vote for him. Destroying liberalism is that important and if Trump can do this stuff to Hillary and have it stick then so be it.
A lot of this stuff is as old as America, didn't the 1800 election between Jefferson and Adams involve this kind of stuff?
Then count me out of politics for good. For that matter, why not vote for Clinton, she's just doing what they all do.
If you want to wallow in the sewer be my guest but count me out.
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Then count me out of politics for good. For that matter, why not vote for Clinton, she's just doing what they all do.
If you want to wallow in the sewer be my guest but count me out.
Then sit at home and impotently gripe about it on the internet. Be my guest as well.
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Trump is the candidate of cultural degeneracy as is clearly displayed in this thread.
If you can't beat lowlife scum, join the lowlife scum. ****sheep****
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Trump is the candidate of cultural degeneracy as is clearly displayed in this thread.
If you can't beat lowlife scum, join the lowlife scum. ****sheep****
Lies...DIVIDE.
They cause hatred and contention and turmoil.
No better illustration than this character.
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Then sit at home and impotently gripe about it on the internet.
The very definition of #nevertrump
Maybe somebody would like to provide a website for that
Oh wait, there already is such a site
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Then count me out of politics for good. For that matter, why not vote for Clinton, she's just doing what they all do.
If you want to wallow in the sewer be my guest but count me out.
The argument that we should be as bad and ugly as liberals falls flat.
Many of us have aligned with the Republican party because overall, their behavior is more civil, decent and respectable.
The error comes when people equate the decency with losing. There are other reasons Republicans have lost, and decent behavior is not one of them.
I think the argument that we need to be as filthy as leftists is borne out of frustration, and not logic or reason.
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The very definition of #nevertrump
Maybe somebody would like to provide a website for that
Oh wait, there already is such a site
Sorry. Dumb post, TS.
People who aren't voting for Trump are not sitting home and doing nothing. Making that leap is more lack of truthfulness on your part.
You may try to associate all forms of evil with people who can't support corrupt liberals, but none of them is valid.
And why don't you stop dissing this forum, OK? If you hate it here, who's making you stay?
This forum accepts ALL perspectives, and you KNOW it. Stop bearing false witness.
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The argument that we should be as bad and ugly as liberals falls flat.
Many of us have aligned with the Republican party because overall, their behavior is more civil, decent and respectable.
The error comes when people equate the decency with losing. There are other reasons Republicans have lost, and decent behavior is not one of them.
I think the argument that we need to be as filthy as leftists is borne out of frustration, and not logic or reason.
I just can't feel guilty for not joining the popular kids in the sewer.
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As for the remanants of conservatism, that will be for our kids to sort out. There arent enough actual conservatives in America to fill Yankee Stadium. I hate it, but I think the facts bear it out.
I have to agree, and that becomes more self-evident every day.
Oh well.
Now I know firsthand how an entire people and nation ended up goose-stepping to maniacs and genocidal madmen that were proclaimed to be their saviors.
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I just can't feel guilty for not joining the popular kids in the sewer.
Nor should you.
It is never wrong to be honorable.
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Cheerleading for Trump at every turn? Limbaugh was definitely a Cruz guy before Trump became presumptive nominee, and he was reticent to support him. Once he gave him his support though, he has been staunch and unwavering.
You obviously never listened to Rush on a regular basis or for any length of time.
He never was a "Cruz guy". It was obviously early on he was on the Trump train. He's defended everything Donny has done at every turn...describing even his worst gaffes as some stroke of political genius at how he was "playing the media" with what he was doing.
You suck at spin. Try harder next time. Or actually go back and listen to the last year of Rush's show.
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That's the first time I've actually listened to Rush's response to Rick's cogent call, and appropriate questions to him.
It's almost embarrassing to hear him, in arrogance and condescension, claim he never took Trump seriously, when, at the time, he was cheerleading for Trump at every turn, and never once said he didn't take Trump at his word.
He has lost ALL credibility, and it's a relief for me to no longer be a Rush listener.
He's a complete hypocrite.
If I turn my back on Rush ... at long last ... it will be with no joy. He was a rock for me for so many years. My husband used to tape him for me ... oh, so many times. I can remember coming out of a writer's class at Northlake ... after a couple of hours of liberals full time ... and putting that tape in and feeling relief that there was a friend out there who felt as I did.
I really think Rush made the decision to go Trump on us because he thinks Hillary is the worst threat. If he would phrase it that way, I would have no objection at all. That works.
And, of all the pundits, Rush is still despised on TOS because he DID point out Trump's flaws for a long time. He is not forgiven over there.
But he has backed himself into a corner now and, yeah, not looking good.
But he earned my respect over many years and there would be no joy at all in seeing his demise.
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You obviously never listened to Rush on a regular basis or for any length of time.
He never was a "Cruz guy". It was obviously early on he was on the Trump train. He's defended everything Donny has done at every turn...describing even his worst gaffes as some stroke of political genius at how he was "playing the media" with what he was doing.
You suck at spin. Try harder next time. Or actually go back and listen to the last year of Rush's show.
BINGO! That is EXACTLY how it was.
Rush gave tacit approval of Cruz early on, and said he was the 'Conservative's Conservative" (then again he also said Rubio was a full-throated Conservative amidst the flap over the Gang of 8 bill), however - Rush spent most of his shows fawning all over on Trump. He stopped mentioning Cruz at all, and when Trump went negative and said the disgusting and lying garbage he did - Rush was silent about it or marveled at how none of that was going to hurt him in the polls among his devotees. It was obvious to me back in January of this year that Rush was all out for Trump. Never called him out on his liberalism. Never took issue with Trump's adoption of Sanders' Trade policies or the punitive promises he made against Apple ("force them to Make their damn products here").
Nope. Rush was an obvious Trump train conductor long before the convention.
That he admitted to his own audience that he knew Trump was lying about the wall, speaks volumes to the fact Rush has gone apostate on the very principles he once preached.
As such, Rush is become a false prophet and if one loves the Truth - Rush is no longer to be listened to or regarded unless and until he is repentant about it.
Which I doubt will happen given his public ego.
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If I turn my back on Rush ... at long last ... it will be with no joy. He was a rock for me for so many years. My husband used to tape him for me ... oh, so many times. I can remember coming out of a writer's class at Northlake ... after a couple of hours of liberals full time ... and putting that tape in and feeling relief that there was a friend out there who felt as I did.
I really think Rush made the decision to go Trump on us because he thinks Hillary is the worst threat. If he would phrase it that way, I would have no objection at all. That works.
And, of all the pundits, Rush is still despised on TOS because he DID point out Trump's flaws for a long time. He is not forgiven over there.
But he has backed himself into a corner now and, yeah, not looking good.
But he earned my respect over many years and there would be no joy at all in seeing his demise.
I'm not happy either. But doesn't it mean that he wasn't genuine in his conservatism to begin with....... all those years we counted on him? With as deeply as he's in the tank for Trump, and with as much as he pumped him up against Cruz during the primary, I don't see that his earlier conservatism could have been that genuine.
I dunno......... maybe he was just an entertainer who picked an audience and fooled us for a couple of decades like some people have accused him of being.
Whatever it is, I think he's done now because he's cheerleading a hard core liberal without a moral fiber in his being. It doesn't jibe with the last 25 years.
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You obviously never listened to Rush on a regular basis or for any length of time.
He never was a "Cruz guy". It was obviously early on he was on the Trump train. He's defended everything Donny has done at every turn...describing even his worst gaffes as some stroke of political genius at how he was "playing the media" with what he was doing.
You suck at spin. Try harder next time. Or actually go back and listen to the last year of Rush's show.
You are right on all counts.
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Now I know firsthand how an entire people and nation ended up goose-stepping to maniacs and genocidal madmen that were proclaimed to be their saviors.
Absolutely.
What really torques me is that I understand Millenials. They were force fed leftism in schools/TV/The net. I can cut them a little slack (not much though) because they simply don't 'know'. Unless they had parents that gave a damn, they never got actual history lessons.
But GenX/Boomers? We DID get that education before the left totally dominated and rewrote/expunged the textbooks. There is not a man, woman or any of the other 53 currently identified genders that has an excuse for ignorance.
The only ignorance involved is the 'willful' variety. But think most of these people genuinely crave being dominated by the left.
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One can read a lot of Trump supporters at FR do not like Rush.
They think he's been against them actually.
Rush has always been loyal to Republicans, he's been loyal to Dubya but has loathed the border policy of GWB.
The Trump Humpers at FR are made at Rush because he didn't make his support of Trump as overt as the entire Fox News Channel and Breitbart did.
I've listened to Rush year one. Its easy to tell when he's behind something or someone without him coming right out and saying it.
He's been behind Trump since he announced.
This is just red meat to the Trump haters.
Yeah...sure it is.
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We are way too ready to turn on people. It's not pretty. Rush is hated at TOS because he wasn't and isn't totally in the tank for Trump.
Now, he's being hated here because he's defending Trump against Hillary.
I still give Rush credit. This election has been hard for everyone. It's brought out the worst of the trumpers and we shouldn't let it bring out the worst of the rest of us.
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Now, he's being hated here because he's defending Trump against Hillary.
I think what people here are upset with him about is because he supported Trump...covertly endorsed him and now he's trying to convince people he never took what Trump said seriously?
Remember this is the same guy who on the air used the exact same language towards a caller that the pro Trump people use here when that caller started pointing out all of Trump's faults...
"So you want Hillary to win".
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Sorry. Dumb post, TS.
People who aren't voting for Trump are not sitting home and doing nothing. Making that leap is more lack of truthfulness on your part.
You may try to associate all forms of evil with people who can't support corrupt liberals, but none of them is valid.
And why don't you stop dissing this forum, OK? If you hate it here, who's making you stay?
This forum accepts ALL perspectives, and you KNOW it. Stop bearing false witness.
This forum is one of the rare few, or possibly even the only one, that still does accept all perspectives though. FR is not the only forum that censors all dissent now. It's like it's contagious.
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We are way too ready to turn on people. It's not pretty. Rush is hated at TOS because he wasn't and isn't totally in the tank for Trump.
Now, he's being hated here because he's defending Trump against Hillary.
I still give Rush credit. This election has been hard for everyone. It's brought out the worst of the trumpers and we shouldn't let it bring out the worst of the rest of us.
^^ That ^^.....and.....
can we really afford to cut off our noses to spite our faces OR allow our disdain for Trump to eliminate those that have been solid allies? Are we really in any position to just write off some of the only media people (talk show hosts like Rush, Hannity, etc.) that we have or will EVER have on our side against the radical left in America. I don't think so.
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^^ That ^^.....and.....
can we really afford to cut off our noses to spite our faces OR allow our disdain for Trump to eliminate those that have been solid allies? Are we really in any position to just write off some of the only media people (talk show hosts like Rush, Hannity, etc.) that we have or will EVER have on our side against the radical left in America. I don't think so.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/36/Cutting_off_the_nose_to_spite_the_face.jpg)
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^^ That ^^.....and.....
can we really afford to cut off our noses to spite our faces OR allow our disdain for Trump to eliminate those that have been solid allies? Are we really in any position to just write off some of the only media people (talk show hosts like Rush, Hannity, etc.) that we have or will EVER have on our side against the radical left in America. I don't think so.
You have to cut out the dead wood to make room for new healthy trees.
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Dueling metaphors.
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^^ That ^^.....and.....
can we really afford to cut off our noses to spite our faces OR allow our disdain for Trump to eliminate those that have been solid allies? Are we really in any position to just write off some of the only media people (talk show hosts like Rush, Hannity, etc.) that we have or will EVER have on our side against the radical left in America. I don't think so.
Solid as in told their audiences to elect whatever liberal the GOP put up for a couple decades running?
Solid as in claiming to be upholders of conservatism yet invariably telling their audiences to elect the GOP liberal 'no matter what" or how anti-conservative or how many issues of the platform they ran against?
I get it that people want their white knights, but isn't it time to face the actual history here? Who benefits when these people preach conservatism for 23 months and then say "But THIS TIME, we gotta HOLD OUR NOSES" and repeat that same thing verbatim in 23 months?
The leftists they help elect that now have a stranglehold on American government via the GOP and DNC flavors. Thats who.
Fact. History.
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Solid as in told their audiences to elect whatever liberal the GOP put up for a couple decades running?
Solid as in claiming to be upholders of conservatism yet invariably telling their audiences to elect the GOP liberal 'no matter what" or how anti-conservative or how many issues of the platform they ran against?
I get it that people want their white knights, but isn't it time to face the actual history here? Who benefits when these people preach conservatism for 23 months and then say "But THIS TIME, we gotta HOLD OUR NOSES" and repeat that same thing verbatim in 23 months?
The leftists they help elect that now have a stranglehold on American government via the GOP and DNC flavors. Thats who.
Fact. History.
Nevertheless......conservatives have already been made to be the "real" outsiders this year. If we just willy-nilly write off every conservative (or even pretenda ones) that has been at least constantly anti-Obama and anti-Clinton....how is that going to be of benefit to us going forward?
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Nevertheless......conservatives have already been made to be the "real" outsiders this year. If we just willy-nilly write off every conservative (or even pretenda ones) that has been at least constantly anti-Obama and anti-Clinton....how is that going to be of benefit to us going forward?
Even more destructive, we can be splintered into tiny groups, each of which is sure of being the only right group, and banning all apostates.
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Now, he's being hated here because he's defending Trump against Hillary.
That's not true. We are turning him off and no longer listening to him or holding him up to be the standard-bearer of Conservatism because he betrayed our principles admitted he deceived his audience when it came to whitewashing his commentary in favor of Trump lo, these many months.
He became an apostate of the very principles he once preached and espoused in favor of a NY liberal celebrity cult of personality that HE HELPED PROMOTE in a very clever and subtle fashion not lost on those of us whose principles actually govern us. He was dead silent on Trump's trade policies and punitive programs that are even further to the Left than Clinton's. He was dead silent when Trump engaged in the politics of personal destruction and slander against other Conservatives, even AFTER he "won" the nomination.
His defense of Trump is shameful pandering to a lifelong liberal Democrat. It's no different than the reaction devout Catholics would have if the pope began pushing Islam and cheerleading how it gets away with all their beheadings, rapes and mob actions to detriment of the foundations of their faith.
As such, false prophets must be shunned and no longer regarded as instruments of promoting truth. They have broken our trust.
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That title prompts a mental image that isn't ... It just isn't.
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He became an apostate of the very principles he once preached and espoused in favor of a NY liberal celebrity cult of personality that HE HELPED PROMOTE in a very clever and subtle fashion not lost on those of us whose principles actually govern us. He was dead silent on Trump's trade policies and punitive programs that are even further to the Left than Clinton's. He was dead silent when Trump engaged in the politics of personal destruction and slander against other Conservatives, even AFTER he "won" the nomination.
Exactly this. He didn't actively engage in trashing conservatism but his silence while others did so made him complicit.
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All of the this discussion of Rush is based on the erroneous assumption that Rush is say 50% conservative ideologue and 50% pundit. I have always felt Rush to be about 50% entertainer, 30% pundit, 20% conservative ideologue. He has done nothing out of the ordinary this election season. All that is different is the chasm Trump opened between actual American conservatism (conserve the American Founding and the patrimony of Western Civilization that led up to it) and American nationalism makes his usual trash the 'Rats, be even-handed toward Republicans routine seem less satisfying than it was when the nationalists were siding with the conservatives as a matter of course.
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We are way too ready to turn on people. It's not pretty. Rush is hated at TOS because he wasn't and isn't totally in the tank for Trump.
Now, he's being hated here because he's defending Trump against Hillary.
I still give Rush credit. This election has been hard for everyone. It's brought out the worst of the trumpers and we shouldn't let it bring out the worst of the rest of us.
No. Rush is being hated because he lied to his audience. Conservatives are not a bunch of trained seals like the Left. We actually remember what people said.....
(http://www.redstate.com/uploads/2016/09/NewsletterLimbaugh.jpg)
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No. Rush is being hated because he lied to his audience. Conservatives are not a bunch of trained seals like the Left. We actually remember what people said.....
(http://www.redstate.com/uploads/2016/09/NewsletterLimbaugh.jpg)
Amazing, what a lying sack of shit.
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We are way too ready to turn on people. It's not pretty. Rush is hated at TOS because he wasn't and isn't totally in the tank for Trump.
Now, he's being hated here because he's defending Trump against Hillary.
I still give Rush credit. This election has been hard for everyone. It's brought out the worst of the trumpers and we shouldn't let it bring out the worst of the rest of us.
Good post, emjay. This has been brother against brother, and we're going to have to pick up the pieces after November. There will be a lot of hard feelings, and reconciliation may be impossible for some. But we will have a common enemy in President Clinton, and my final verdict on Rush Limbaugh will be, after Trump's defeat, whether he's focused on healing or picking at scabs. The latter, no doubt, will yield higher ratings, but doing what's right in the face of contrary self interest is the true measure of a man.
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Part of the problem is those of us who listen(ed) to him. We want very much to believe in other people. "So and so would NEVER do that" kind of stuff. We want to believe that a few of us are staunch in the face of temptation and adversity. And, a few of us are. Looks like much fewer than we originally thought.
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As a 24/7 subscriber and daily listener - Limbaugh was EXACTLY a Trump shill since he got in the race.
He pretended to sit on the fence, but every single time Trump said something to stymie the media - Rush spent the majority of his time chortling with glee over Trump's ability to get away with anything that would have normally sunk another candidate, and that focus became the norm.
Rush never talked about Trump's lack of Conservatism and his overt liberalism. Rush went silent on Cruz in large measure when Trump's incessant and personal attacks started taking their toll. Mark Levin was the only host to actually call Trump out on those outrageous charges and claims and warned Trump to stop or risk losing Conservative support should he win the nomination. Rush was silent on all of that.
Instead all he did was turn his show into a cheerleading session disguised as 'analysis' of Trump's ability to slam the media and the Establishment and say and do anything he liked and not suffer for it.
When Limbaugh uttered the words to a caller who said she could never bring herself to vote for Trump if he won the nomination, "then you are voting for Hillary" - I was done. Canceled my 24/7 - turned him off and have not listened to him since.
It's no different than leaving a church that has gone apostate on foundational truths. If the leadership corrupts their own congregations, the only recourse is to leave and go elsewhere to maintain and proclaim the truth.
Limbaugh's show - as well as a majority of the other pretend-Rght Wing media, are just apostates to what they paid lip service to all these years.
In Rush's case - I think he ceded all reason and sense and principles to marvel and support a golf buddy. Now he admits he misled his entire audience and betrayed the very things he preached.
The fruits of what Trump has accomplished in dividing and rendering totally irrelevant - Constitutional Conservatives, while supporting the very Establishment you people falsely believed he opposed. The fact he refused to hit Hillary as hard as he hit Cruz, Rubio and Fiorina. Said he was 'bored' with having to call out Hillary on her crap. The fact he has become a cartoon stereotype of every Left-wing depiction of Conservatives. The words of praise for Hillary as SecState, the funding he provided the Clintons and their foundations. Shall I go on? Or will you go and ignore, re-explain, or justify those things as your fellow acolytes have?
Your guy is a Trojan Stalking Horse for Hillary. And always has been.
But you will never see it. You are too invested in the cult of personality that is fast becoming a religion with so many rabid supporters.
Well said and worth repeating!
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Good post, emjay. This has been brother against brother, and we're going to have to pick up the pieces after November. There will be a lot of hard feelings, and reconciliation may be impossible for some. But we will have a common enemy in President Clinton, and my final verdict on Rush Limbaugh will be, after Trump's defeat, whether he's focused on healing or picking at scabs. The latter, no doubt, will yield higher ratings, but doing what's right in the face of contrary self interest is the true measure of a man.
There will be little "picking up the pieces" after November. First, we've learned that many who've pretended to be conservative were in fact, variously, power groupies; or cheerleaders being led by backstage players; or deliberately-misleading supporters of the power structure. We will have learned that SOME in our midst care little for the precepts and political thought behind conservatism - they seek a cult leader; someone powerful and exciting. Eric Hoffer's True Believer.
Such persons, obviously, are not to be trusted. And what comes after the November election will be CHAOS. Kooks nominated to the Supreme Court. Firearms rights, and then rights of Free Speech (to criticize Glow Bull Warming, for example) shut down. The Internet turned into a propaganda channel...for THEIR kind of pro-collectivist, pro-Statist propaganda.
The nation overrun with violent Mohammedans imported into this nation to Third-World-ize it. The better to solidifiy the power base of the Elites.
Firearms, cash money, precious metals, all banned or strictly controlled by government. Auto ownership, travel rights, all restricted under the Glow-Bull Warming auspices. Parental rights destroyed. Government in the home, as it is already in the schools and the churches and private association.
Economic collapse, as it becomes undeniable that this New Freedom cannot work and government keeps printing dollars.
There will be no ROOM in this chaos for hero-worshippers and people easily duped by plants, stalking horses, frauds who are themselves as Leftist as our oppressing enemies.
No, this is where the conservative movement needs to regroup and figure out ways of identifying itself that excludes destructive interlopers such as we've had.
And Limbaugh? He's going to be destroyed in Billary's America; and I'll shed no tears at this point.
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I agree that Rush was more philosophically in tune with Cruz, but like all the rest in the media, he recognized that talking about Trump got more ears, so he devoted a lot more time to analyzing Trump's campaign.
In other words, he sacrificed conservative principles for ratings (money.) Or to put it more succinctly, HE SOLD OUT!
I agree with your analysis of the situation....
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Good post, emjay. This has been brother against brother, and we're going to have to pick up the pieces after November. There will be a lot of hard feelings, and reconciliation may be impossible for some. But we will have a common enemy in President Clinton, and my final verdict on Rush Limbaugh will be, after Trump's defeat, whether he's focused on healing or picking at scabs. The latter, no doubt, will yield higher ratings, but doing what's right in the face of contrary self interest is the true measure of a man.
I'll never trust anything he ever says again.
How will we know if he really is offended at what Obama or Clinton does or whether he is saying what he does simply to placate his audience so his ad revenues continue to support his lavish lifestyle?
Limbaugh has broken our trust. That is not regained too easily.
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Good post, emjay. This has been brother against brother, and we're going to have to pick up the pieces after November. There will be a lot of hard feelings, and reconciliation may be impossible for some. But we will have a common enemy in President Clinton, and my final verdict on Rush Limbaugh will be, after Trump's defeat, whether he's focused on healing or picking at scabs. The latter, no doubt, will yield higher ratings, but doing what's right in the face of contrary self interest is the true measure of a man.
We have ample evidence of the measure now.
You know folks, if people spent more time thinking instead of feeling, we wouldn't repeat the same mistakes. There comes a time when you cut ties with people that cut your throat. Yes, it's painful. But there is a binary here.
On the other hand, a few hundred bucks will rent a good Dom in Vegas.
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There will be little "picking up the pieces" after November. First, we've learned that many who've pretended to be conservative were in fact, variously, power groupies; or cheerleaders being led by backstage players; or deliberately-misleading supporters of the power structure. We will have learned that SOME in our midst care little for the precepts and political thought behind conservatism - they seek a cult leader; someone powerful and exciting. Eric Hoffer's True Believer.
Such persons, obviously, are not to be trusted. And what comes after the November election will be CHAOS. Kooks nominated to the Supreme Court. Firearms rights, and then rights of Free Speech (to criticize Glow Bull Warming, for example) shut down. The Internet turned into a propaganda channel...for THEIR kind of pro-collectivist, pro-Statist propaganda.
The nation overrun with violent Mohammedans imported into this nation to Third-World-ize it. The better to solidifiy the power base of the Elites.
Firearms, cash money, precious metals, all banned or strictly controlled by government. Auto ownership, travel rights, all restricted under the Glow-Bull Warming auspices. Parental rights destroyed. Government in the home, as it is already in the schools and the churches and private association.
Economic collapse, as it becomes undeniable that this New Freedom cannot work and government keeps printing dollars.
There will be no ROOM in this chaos for hero-worshippers and people easily duped by plants, stalking horses, frauds who are themselves as Leftist as our oppressing enemies.
No, this is where the conservative movement needs to regroup and figure out ways of identifying itself that excludes destructive interlopers such as we've had.
And Limbaugh? He's going to be destroyed in Billary's America; and I'll shed no tears at this point.
What those with eyes to see and ears to hear need to truly focus on, is surviving what is coming and forget trying to "fix" this overthrow and cultural collapse. We are waaay past that remedy. We are going to make the French Revolution look like a picnic.
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And Limbaugh? He's going to be destroyed in Billary's America; and I'll shed no tears at this point.
First off, he survived eight years of it already. Second, he's already on his farewell tour. He can comfortably retire on the hundreds of millions he's made so far without batting an eyelash. They won't destroy him; he'll simply fade away. Believe me, they've already tried countless times.
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They won't destroy him; he'll simply fade away. Believe me, they've already tried countless times.
I have some very liberal family members who hate Rush and have signed and circulated every petition the could find over the years to try to get him off the air.
I asked them, if they don't like Rush, why can't they just not listen to him. Ever heard of the First Amendment?
Their uniform response from two was to unfriend me on Facebook, i.e., shut me down.
Such is the liberal way.
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And Limbaugh? He's going to be destroyed in Billary's America; and I'll shed no tears at this point.
First off, he survived eight years of it already. Second, he's already on his farewell tour. He can comfortably retire on the hundreds of millions he's made so far without batting an eyelash. They won't destroy him; he'll simply fade away. Believe me, they've already tried countless times.
It's going to be far more substantive than that.
First, Free Speech is going away. The pieces are in place; they just have to pull the lever. Radio; cable TV, the Internet...all are going to be censored for political content.
It took lo these eight years to put those pieces and pawns in place. Lord Barack Hussein couldn't have just done it; he had to have the FCC people onboard; various court rulings; the very Court itself reconstituted in his own grotesque image.
Second, Limbaugh's money will mean little when the dollar collapses; and when this tyrannical government controls the movement of money. When it taxes assets and outlaws cash. Once we're all dependent on magnetic cards linking us to a database, it's a REAL simple matter to turn off the accounts of those who have been "banned" or whatever jargon they choose to use.
There is no longer any assured protection even of wealth or of money earned and possessed.
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Cheerleading for Trump at every turn? Limbaugh was definitely a Cruz guy before Trump became presumptive nominee, and he was reticent to support him. Once he gave him his support though, he has been staunch and unwavering.
I think the rest of the posters trashing Rush were not actually listening... I listened a couple times during and after the primary season, and I am inclined to agree with your statement.
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I think the rest of the posters trashing Rush were not actually listening... I listened a couple times during and after the primary season, and I am inclined to agree with your statement.
I listened to him almost daily and I'm inclined to disagree. But, I just have first-hand evidence to go by.
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Music lady: "I'm not happy either. But doesn't it mean that he wasn't genuine in his conservatism to begin with....... all those years we counted on him? With as deeply as he's in the tank for Trump, and with as much as he pumped him up against Cruz during the primary, I don't see that his earlier conservatism could have been that genuine.
I dunno......... maybe he was just an entertainer who picked an audience and fooled us for a couple of decades like some people have accused him of being.
Whatever it is, I think he's done now because he's cheerleading a hard core liberal without a moral fiber in his being. It doesn't jibe with the last 25 years.
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I don't vote for degenerate liberals. No matter what letter they have after their names."
Totally respect you but disagree on some of your points. Rush did not pump Trump up against Cruz. He was very much more for Cruz... that's why he's hated over there on TOS.
Why should we expect Rush to do our job for us and to agree with us on every single issue. It was our job, not his, to nominate a decent human being.
Yes, he's gone a little defensive on Trump since Trump is the nominee but Rush is not an evil person. I think he genuinely believes that Trump will be better for the country than Hillary and he may be right.
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I think the rest of the posters trashing Rush were not actually listening... I listened a couple times during and after the primary season, and I am inclined to agree with your statement.
Really? I've been listening to Rush since 1989. Listened to his podcasts while I was in Germany.
Your belief that Rush was for Cruz or that he didn't cheerlead for Trump is 100% bovine excrement
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Your belief that Rush was for Cruz or that he didn't cheerlead for Trump is 100% bovine excrement
That's not how I remember it at all. While he doesn't endorse, Rush defended Cruz and was tepid on Trump. And for good reason; Trump is a flaming New York liberal.
(http://i.imgur.com/RHhCKJu.png)
Source (http://hotair.com/archives/2016/02/10/rush-limbaugh-ted-cruz-is-the-closest-were-going-to-get-to-ronald-reagan-in-our-lifetimes/)
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Really? I've been listening to Rush since 1989. Listened to his podcasts while I was in Germany.
Your belief that Rush was for Cruz or that he didn't cheerlead for Trump is 100% bovine excrement
Correct. He was remarkably tepid for Cruz; he did talk about him but not much.
First he tried to gin up excitement for Walker. That happened, as is usual with Limbaugh, after Walker met him. A golf outing, IIRC.
Second, he had his moment when he was overly impressed with Rubio. Came with a personal audience.
And Rand Paul spent time with Rush as well, laying out his plans - which he did not want discussed in detail. Rush was less enthusiastic about Paul; and I have my suspicions why. Not that I disagree with those.
But the guy who got the LEAST time being discussed/shilled for, was CRUZ. I don't know...was Cruz too busy to waste a day playing golf with Rush? I can see how he would be. Was it that he didn't beg for an audience with Mister Conservative? Maybe he just wasn't that impressed with Limbaugh and his format. I can see THAT, too...I loved Rush, years ago; but he's definitely past his prime now. And Cruz with several full plates, doesn't have the TIME to spend kissing the ring in ceremony.
So when Trump gets in, Limbaugh went gaga like a groupie. It was all over.
Including, in the future, Limbaugh's own future. Kaput. Finis. DOA, RIP.
DILLIGIF. :shrug:
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Really? I've been listening to Rush since 1989. Listened to his podcasts while I was in Germany.
Your belief that Rush was for Cruz or that he didn't cheerlead for Trump is 100% bovine excrement
I was also a Rush listener for decades and my recollections comport with yours! He did toss Cruz a bone now and then but went all in for Trump early! No longer a listener!
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I listened to Rush Limbaugh for 26 years and stopped when he became a Trump cheerleader over real and loyal solid conservatives. Rush went with the clown, the orange cheeto, when he could have done much to stop him and the subsequent harm he is doing to the Right. I also gave up on Hannity, who apparently is in love with Trump to the point that he cannot see any of his faults. And some elements of The American Spectator have also lost credibility with principled, limited government conservatives who have their roots in a Judaeo-Christian worldview. Instead, they've made a Faustian pact and believe principles don't matter much as long as they can dupe people into voting for Trump to stop Hillary. So much for honesty and integrity on the Right. A true conservative is dismayed at a choice between Hillary and her recent funder, praiser, and promoter.
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It's going to be far more substantive than that.
First, Free Speech is going away. The pieces are in place; they just have to pull the lever. Radio; cable TV, the Internet...all are going to be censored for political content.
It took lo these eight years to put those pieces and pawns in place. Lord Barack Hussein couldn't have just done it; he had to have the FCC people onboard; various court rulings; the very Court itself reconstituted in his own grotesque image.
Second, Limbaugh's money will mean little when the dollar collapses; and when this tyrannical government controls the movement of money. When it taxes assets and outlaws cash. Once we're all dependent on magnetic cards linking us to a database, it's a REAL simple matter to turn off the accounts of those who have been "banned" or whatever jargon they choose to use.
There is no longer any assured protection even of wealth or of money earned and possessed.
This is the same government that can't even phase out the one-dollar bill and still mints pennies, JPT. The American people are a stubborn lot on certain things.
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I have some very liberal family members who hate Rush and have signed and circulated every petition the could find over the years to try to get him off the air.
I asked them, if they don't like Rush, why can't they just not listen to him. Ever heard of the First Amendment?
Their uniform response from two was to unfriend me on Facebook, i.e., shut me down.
Such is the liberal way.
I've got a very liberal younger brother who demanded that Limbaugh and other conservative talk shows should be required to have a liberal on their show given equal time to counter everything Limbaugh or other conservative talk show hosts say. I told him the first amendment does not oblige people to have other people counter their comments.
Of course, he was being totally hypocritical because he didn't say anything about all-liberal talk shows having conservatives counter their speech.
If he were honest he'd would have admitted he simply didn't like the idea of conservatives speaking openly. To them it is all "hate speech" and must be censored.
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Music lady: "I'm not happy either. But doesn't it mean that he wasn't genuine in his conservatism to begin with....... all those years we counted on him? With as deeply as he's in the tank for Trump, and with as much as he pumped him up against Cruz during the primary, I don't see that his earlier conservatism could have been that genuine.
I dunno......... maybe he was just an entertainer who picked an audience and fooled us for a couple of decades like some people have accused him of being.
Whatever it is, I think he's done now because he's cheerleading a hard core liberal without a moral fiber in his being. It doesn't jibe with the last 25 years.
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I don't vote for degenerate liberals. No matter what letter they have after their names."
Totally respect you but disagree on some of your points. Rush did not pump Trump up against Cruz. He was very much more for Cruz... that's why he's hated over there on TOS.
Why should we expect Rush to do our job for us and to agree with us on every single issue. It was our job, not his, to nominate a decent human being.
Yes, he's gone a little defensive on Trump since Trump is the nominee but Rush is not an evil person. I think he genuinely believes that Trump will be better for the country than Hillary and he may be right.
The proper phrase is "less worse" rather than "better for." Trump has a lot of very nutty, anti-conservative ideas he wants to implement. Which is why there are NeverTrump people, of which I am NOT!!! one.
But that doesn't mean I'll be happy with a Trump presidency. I just hope he won't do as much harm as Hillary.
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I listened to Rush Limbaugh for 26 years and stopped when he became a Trump cheerleader over real and loyal solid conservatives. Rush went with the clown, the orange cheeto, when he could have done much to stop him and the subsequent harm he is doing to the Right. I also gave up on Hannity, who apparently is in love with Trump to the point that he cannot see any of his faults. And some elements of The American Spectator have also lost credibility with principled, limited government conservatives who have their roots in a Judaeo-Christian worldview. Instead, they've made a Faustian pact and believe principles don't matter much as long as they can dupe people into voting for Trump to stop Hillary. So much for honesty and integrity on the Right. A true conservative is dismayed at a choice between Hillary and her recent funder, praiser, and promoter.
Rush did a little too much misdirection regarding Trump. When a listener would call in questioning one or more of Trump's stances, Rush would quickly start yammering about something Hillary was going to do or had done. He never bothered to discuss in detail some of Trump's wackier ideas or his past indiscretions.
It was not so much what Rush said about Trump as what he didn't or wouldn't say about him. What he didn't say said volumes.
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Rush did a little too much misdirection regarding Trump. When a listener would call in questioning one or more of Trump's stances, Rush would quickly start yammering about something Hillary was going to do or had done. He never bothered to discuss in detail some of Trump's wackier ideas or his past indiscretions.
It was not so much what Rush said about Trump as what he didn't or wouldn't say about him. What he didn't say said volumes.
I think Rush knew that Trump could succeed in getting the nomination, and anything perceived as not worshipping the Orange Glorious would result in vicious revenge both from the thin-skinned malignant-narcissist thug and his cultists.*
*Note, I'm not saying all Trump voters are cultists. I'm just referring to those who are.
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If anyone thinks Rush's career is over, that person should read this thread. No other news personality could generate this much interest.
I guess people hear what they want to hear but I remember Rush as one of the first media voices for Ted Cruz. Remember, Ted Cruz did not start out as a major player. He was virtually unknown outside of Texas and Rush was savvy enough to be well aware of him and like him.
If I ever get a radio again, I shall continue to listen to Rush and I wish him well.
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I guess people hear what they want to hear but I remember Rush as one of the first media voices for Ted Cruz.
He was. And while it is being ignored by many the quote I provided proves it.
(http://i.imgur.com/RHhCKJu.png)
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If anyone thinks Rush's career is over, that person should read this thread. No other news personality could generate this much interest.
I guess people hear what they want to hear but I remember Rush as one of the first media voices for Ted Cruz. Remember, Ted Cruz did not start out as a major player. He was virtually unknown outside of Texas and Rush was savvy enough to be well aware of him and like him.
If I ever get a radio again, I shall continue to listen to Rush and I wish him well.
Why would you have to get a radio (again)? You can stream and listen to him online.
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This is the same government that can't even phase out the one-dollar bill and still mints pennies, JPT. The American people are a stubborn lot on certain things.
Look at all the transactions now that people use plastic on.
JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING. The Food Stamp government card has gone a long way in pushing this forward for people on the low side of the Bell Curve.
And we won't be given a choice about it. And we won't have a place to vent our opinions on it, as the Internet becomes censored for content. As Google weeds out searches.
And when cash is onerous and liberal social-engineer courts hold that holding cash is evidence of criminal intent...THEN they've won. We're all on plastic; and they can create their inflation with impunity.
AND they can punish their enemies with a switch - turn OFF all their cards and access to funds.
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Why would you have to get a radio (again)? You can stream and listen to him online.
I don't think you can stream his program without paying for it.
And I for one, cancelled my six-year-long membership two months ago. I don't intend to renew...EVER.
Whether he intended to or not, Limbaugh irrevocably damaged the conservative movement with his joining the trumpies' cult.
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I don't think you can stream his program without paying for it.
And I for one, cancelled my six-year-long membership two months ago. I don't intend to renew...EVER.
Whether he intended to or not, Limbaugh irrevocably damaged the conservative movement with his joining the trumpies' cult.
He's available streaming on a number of local stations. Of course, you have to listen to him in real time. I don't remember which one I used to listen to him on - probably KLBJ 590AM.
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I don't think you can stream his program without paying for it.
And I for one, cancelled my six-year-long membership two months ago. I don't intend to renew...EVER.
Whether he intended to or not, Limbaugh irrevocably damaged the conservative movement with his joining the trumpies' cult.
There are two ways to listen to him in real time without a radio:
1. Pull up the website of any station while they are airing him and click on "listen."
2. Use the free iheartradio app on a smart phone and pull up any station while he is on air.
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Not blocked on free-streaming radio?
I dunno. I haven't tried to access a radio station stream in nearly ten years. I stopped when there was some question about whether bumper-music and commercial producers were entitled to extra compensation or extra billing for a web-stream. They got that issue sorted; but by that time I'd moved on. Most of commercial radio, including radio yakkers...most of it is just noise.
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Rush would say one thing and then put callers on who thought tRump was the Lord and Savior of the world.
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You must not have listened much in the primaries. Cruz barely got a mention. Trump got ceaseless praise.
I stopped listening to Rush after decades because he proved he never meant what he said about conservatism's being the answer.
He was cheerleading for Trump at every turn LONG before he became the nominee.
Well in all fairness I have stopped listening to Rush way before this election..
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He was. And while it is being ignored by many the quote I provided proves it.
(http://i.imgur.com/RHhCKJu.png)
I heard Rush say these things about Cruz, and it just proves my point - he then went on to spend most of his time doting on Trump.
Quotes like this are exactly why many of us are p*ssed at him.
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I heard Rush say these things about Cruz, and it just proves my point - he then went on to spend most of his time doting on Trump. Quotes like this are exactly why many of us are p*ssed at him.
Yes, conservatives supporting a lifelong New York liberal Donald Trump; it's a strange phenomenon.
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If anyone thinks Rush's career is over, that person should read this thread. No other news personality could generate this much interest.
I guess people hear what they want to hear but I remember Rush as one of the first media voices for Ted Cruz. Remember, Ted Cruz did not start out as a major player. He was virtually unknown outside of Texas and Rush was savvy enough to be well aware of him and like him.
If I ever get a radio again, I shall continue to listen to Rush and I wish him well.
You don't need a radio. You can listen to him on your computer or mobile device. Just go to RushLimbaugh.com. He will have a heading that gives every radio station in the country that carries his show. Just click on one of the stations to get his live show.
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I don't think you can stream his program without paying for it.
And I for one, cancelled my six-year-long membership two months ago. I don't intend to renew...EVER.
Whether he intended to or not, Limbaugh irrevocably damaged the conservative movement with his joining the trumpies' cult.
Nah!...he's available live for free on hundreds of stations on-line. There's maybe a few seconds delay from the radio broadcast.
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Rush did a little too much misdirection regarding Trump. When a listener would call in questioning one or more of Trump's stances, Rush would quickly start yammering about something Hillary was going to do or had done. He never bothered to discuss in detail some of Trump's wackier ideas or his past indiscretions.
It was not so much what Rush said about Trump as what he didn't or wouldn't say about him. What he didn't say said volumes.
Yes, he was sort of an apologist for Trump, a deflector, as you wrote. He's become intellectually dishonest about conservatism, the Republican Party, and Trump. He lost credibility when with many people when he became a woozy about the liberal statist, Trump.
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Yes, he was sort of an apologist for Trump, a deflector, as you wrote. He's become intellectually dishonest about conservatism, the Republican Party, and Trump. He lost credibility when with many people when he became a woozy about the liberal statist, Trump.
I'm with you, but I don't know that Rush will notice or care.
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I'm with you, but I don't know that Rush will notice or care.
His career may not be over, but his honor is over............. and the members of his audience that listened to him because we thought he was conservative and honest will be few and far between.
He's going to have to get a new schtick about liberalism vs. conservatism, because now he's on the side of the former, and not the latter.
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His career may not be over, but his honor is over............. and the members of his audience that listened to him because we thought he was conservative and honest will be few and far between.
He's going to have to get a new schtick about liberalism vs. conservatism, because now he's on the side of the former, and not the latter.
It's over in so far as I'm concerned! When the time came for him to make a difference he punted and that's all I need to know about him!
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It's over in so far as I'm concerned! When the time came for him to make a difference he punted and that's all I need to know about him!
Totally agree, Bigun. I can't ever listen to him again, because he has totally lost my trust. And once lost, it's difficult to impossible to restore.
And I doubt he even cares enough to try. He had months to prove he had meant what he had said about conservatism.
But he never even tried.
The trouble is that it's what a large percentage of his listeners actually believed.......... with or without him.
Now it's going to be without him......
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As I was running some errands this weekend in the car, there was a replay of Limbaugh's show that had the call in question. I had never heard the actual call in person. Ok....it was bad. I still listen to Rush strictly for entertainment purposes, but I do agree with most here that he lost his credibility.
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As I was running some errands this weekend in the car, there was a replay of Limbaugh's show that had the call in question. I had never heard the actual call in person. Ok....it was bad. I still listen to Rush strictly for entertainment purposes, but I do agree with most here that he lost his credibility.
I hear you, but I don't find him entertaining any more.
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I hear you, but I don't find him entertaining any more.
Nor I.
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Yes, he was sort of an apologist for Trump, a deflector, as you wrote. He's become intellectually dishonest about conservatism, the Republican Party, and Trump. He lost credibility when with many people when he became a woozy about the liberal statist, Trump.
Mark Levin is not fond of Trump (maybe because he's not a golf buddy.) Levin never fails to point out many of Trump's conservative deficiencies. At any rate, he says he'll still vote for Trump because he can't stand the idea of President Hillary. Now that is a position I can understand, and I might vote for Trump for that reason as well. (I'm still not sure what I'll do...I might write in Cruz.)
But Rush couldn't or wouldn't do that. He's already admitted Trump is not a conservative while praising Cruz (and Rubio as well) as being solidly conservative overall.
He certainly has enough dough that he could withstand the loss of listeners who would stop listening to him for criticizing Genghis Con. But nary a negative word about Trump escaped Rush's lips.
By failing to make even modest objections to any of Trump's many sins Rush threw away his integrity and the loss of millions of formerly hardcore listeners, like me, who now only listen occasionally or have totally given up listening to him.
After years of preaching about always electing a solid conservative he throws in with the least conservative and most morally objectionable Pubbie candidate ever. Oh, how the mighty have fallen.
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Mark Levin is not fond of Trump (maybe because he's not a golf buddy.) Levin never fails to point out many of Trump's conservative deficiencies. At any rate, he says he'll still vote for Trump because he can't stand the idea of President Hillary. Now that is a position I can understand, and I might vote for Trump for that reason as well. (I'm still not sure what I'll do...I might write in Cruz.)
But Rush couldn't or wouldn't do that. He's already admitted Trump is not a conservative while praising Cruz (and Rubio as well) as being solidly conservative overall.
He certainly has enough dough that he could withstand the loss of listeners who would stop listening to him for criticizing Genghis Con. But nary a negative word about Trump escaped Rush's lips.
By failing to make even modest objections to any of Trump's many sins Rush threw away his integrity and the loss of millions of formerly hardcore listeners, like me, who now only listen occasionally or have totally given up listening to him.
After years of preaching about always electing a solid conservative he throws in with the least conservative and most morally objectionable Pubbie candidate ever. Oh, how the mighty have fallen.
Actually, last week Levin said he would make his decision and announce it after Labor Day.