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Attacks on Evan McMullin Escalate
By David Thornton | November 3, 2016, 08:18am | @captainkudzu
http://theresurgent.com/attacks-on-evan-mcmullin-escalate/ (http://theresurgent.com/attacks-on-evan-mcmullin-escalate/)
After Evan McMullin’s sudden surge in Utah, the Trump campaign is taking him seriously and attacks are mounting. The situation in the deep red state was serious enough that Mike Pence made a late-in-the-campaign visit to Beehive State in an attempt to shore up hemorrhaging support in the wake of three disastrous debates and Trump’s sexual harassment scandal.
The first attack came from Lou Dobbs who tweeted that McMullin was “nothing but a Globalist, Romney and Mormon Mafia Tool.” McMullin responded on CNN a few days later saying, “A hallmark of Donald Trump’s campaign has been to attack people based on their race and religion and all of this and so it’s not a surprise to me at all.” McMullin supporters on Twitter started a tweetstorm of jokes about the bizarre insult.
The attacks continued over the weekend when Trump lashed out at McMullin and Bill Kristol in an interview on Fox News. “I love the people of Utah. I have great relationships in Utah,” Trump said. “But you have a guy named Bill Kristol who’s called it wrong for two years. He’s a loser. He’s called me wrong. He’s called everything wrong. He’s called the wars wrong. Everything he does is wrong. He gets his puppet to go and run in Utah.”
Trump continued, “The guy [McMullin] takes votes away from me. You know, we’re going to win Utah. But he takes votes away from me, this man who I never heard of…. Now, if for some reason we lose Utah that could have a very devastating impact on the overall.” Utah has six electoral votes.
McMullin responded in Trumpian fashion: With a tweet. The independent candidate posted, “@realDonaldTrump, Yes you’ve never heard of me because while you were harassing women at beauty pageants, I was fighting terrorists abroad.” McMullin is a 10-year veteran of the CIA where he served as a clandestine agent in the Middle East. Donald Trump received student and medical deferments that exempted him from the draft, but told Howard Stern that not contracting a sexually transmitted disease was his “personal Vietnam” and made him feel like a “great and very brave soldier.”
McMullin added another tweet attacking Trump on substance. “@realDonaldTrump, you’re an authoritarian, life-long liberal who disrespects life, liberty, & equality. We can’t trust you on justices.” The Trump campaign did not respond to the tweet.
Then things got really nasty. Over Halloween weekend, McMullin was the target of robocalls in the new battleground state of Utah. Salt Lake City’s KUTV describes the call by William Johnson, a self-described “white nationalist” which attacks McMullin’s mother, a lesbian who is married to another woman, and alleges that McMullin, who is single, is a “closeted homosexual.”
Spoiler alert: Evan McMullin is not gay. Louise Mensch of Heat Street wrote of her earlier conversation with McMullin prior to an August interview. McMullin told her that “his greatest aspiration is to be a husband and a father.” Part of the reason that he left the CIA was his desire to one day be married and have a family, something that would be difficult for a CIA operative.
As to his mother, McMullin talked about her in an interview with the Salt Lake Tribune on Oct. 26. “I believe in the sanctity of traditional marriage. It is an important part of my faith,” McMullin said. “My mother has a different view. That is OK. I love her very much.”
McMullin told CNN that the robocall was not a surprise. “This is exactly the narrative, the approach the Donald Trump campaign has had. So it didn’t even surprise when I heard news of the robocall, I just thought of course this is more of the same.”
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Trying to win back some Cred from the Evan people here, eh?
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Only means that McMullin is becoming a serious candidate.
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The only thing that is going to be dead after Nov 8th is the Political/Media careers of the #Never Trumpsters.
Trump wins, you are impotent jokes who no one on the Right will ever take seriously on anything again.
Trump lose. You are personally responsible for helping elect the most corrupt lawless President in US History. The Left will still hate you politics and you will be anathema to everyone on the Right. You will be irrelevant and politically impotent.
The only route left will be to form a clown third party that will spasmodically thrash around for a few years and then die from terminal poltical irrelevancy.
A well deserved sad and sorry end to collection of petulant children who could not put their own egos aside once their candidate lost the Primary.
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The only thing that is going to be dead after Nov 8th is the Political/Media careers of the #Never Trumpsters.
Trump wins, you are impotent jokes who no one on the Right will ever take seriously on anything again.
Trump lose. You are personally responsible for helping elect the most corrupt lawless President in US History. The Left will still hate you politics and you will be anathema to everyone on the Right. You will be irrelevant and politically impotent.
The only route left will be to form a clown third party that will spasmodically thrash around for a few years and then die from terminal poltical irrelevancy.
A well deserved sad and sorry end to collection of petulant children who could not put their own egos aside once their candidate lost the Primary.
@GAJohnnie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6z_NfTe6SI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6z_NfTe6SI)
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Here is the problem for the Status Quo Ante crowd of #Never Trumpers and Republicans for Hillary.
Suppose you manage to elect Hillary.
The issues and the problems that created the 10s of millions of Trump/Sanders voters are not going to go away. They are still going to be festering out there and will be magnified by the rabid corruption and lawlessness of a Clinton Presidency.
So you may clamp the lid on the boiling pot this time, it will only result in a larger, more devastating political explosion down the road.
It only gets worse for you all going forward, there is no up side for you ever in your current political position. You have painted yourselves into a lose-lose position.
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Can we please stop calling each other evil?
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He's Romney's puppet and like Glenn Beck, Romney is showing he's not pro-life at all; or maybe it should not have come to this ever.
I'd think Trump can take Utah, the press wants us to think otherwise.
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Here is the problem for the Status Quo Ante crowd of #Never Trumpers and Republicans for Hillary.
Suppose you manage to elect Hillary.
The issues and the problems that created the 10s of millions of Trump/Sanders voters are not going to go away. They are still going to be festering out there and will be magnified by the rabid corruption and lawlessness of a Clinton Presidency.
So you may clamp the lid on the boiling pot this time, it will only result in a larger, more devastating political explosion down the road.
It only gets worse for you all going forward, there is no up side for you ever in your current political position. You have painted yourselves into a lose-lose position.
We didn't elect Clinton. We're not the ones who nominated the only person who couldn't beat her. You did and thus the blame for Clinton lies squarely on your shoulders.
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It's interesting how violent the bleep attacks on #Nevertrumps are becoming. You'd almost think we mattered, if they hadn't been crowing all along about how irrelevant we supposedly are.
They're getting more and more desperate as the gravity of what they've done becomes apparent.
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Can we please stop calling each other evil?
I've deleted my post, WTF. My apologies to you and GAJohnnie.
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I've deleted my post, WTF. My apologies to you and GAJohnnie.
No problem. So sick of the hyperbole in conservative circles. It's like we're a bunch of mental midgets or something.
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You have painted yourselves into a lose-lose position.
But I'll be able to sleep at night.
I'm a conservative who wants my party back. I'll suffer four years of Clinton (or such shorter period of time 'til it takes to impeach her) in order to repudiate the racialists who've hijacked the GOP.
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I just voted absentee for Evan McMullin.
Downballot, all GOP.
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The only thing that is going to be dead after Nov 8th is the Political/Media careers of the #Never Trumpsters.
Trump wins, you are impotent jokes who no one on the Right will ever take seriously on anything again.
Trump lose. You are personally responsible for helping elect the most corrupt lawless President in US History. The Left will still hate you politics and you will be anathema to everyone on the Right. You will be irrelevant and politically impotent.
The only route left will be to form a clown third party that will spasmodically thrash around for a few years and then die from terminal poltical irrelevancy.
A well deserved sad and sorry end to collection of petulant children who could not put their own egos aside once their candidate lost the Primary.
Posts such as this only harden my resolve to not cave at the last minute. Thank you for the help in sticking with my Castle vote.
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No surprise Eric "where arrogance meets incompetence" Erickson doesn't allow anyone to respond to his superficial, shallow analysis. Amazing that anyone ever took this clown seriously enough to give him a radio show and a website.
Like Beck, Erickson is heading for bankruptcy and irrelevancy. As his impotence as AstroTurf for the GOP E becomes clearer and clearer his access and funding will be cut off.
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Only means that McMullin is becoming a serious candidate.
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Posts such as this only harden my resolve to not cave at the last minute. Thank you for the help in sticking with my Castle vote.
Post such as this only prove the point about the true motivations for you vote. You care nothing about facts, and consequences, but are only interested in venting you childish petulance because you did not get your way in the Primary.
Examine carefully your motivations here. You will find they have nothing to do with morality, integrity or ethics. No matter how hard you try to lie to yourself, and others, God still know what truly moves you.
Clinton or Trump will be President. You cannot look at Clinton and make a moral case for her. By your actions, you are actively siding with evil out of nothing more then ego and petulance.
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If Trump keeps this up, McMullin could actually win Utah.
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Post such as this only prove the point about the true motivations for you vote.
Posts such as this only prove that you know how to copy and paste.
You cannot look at Clinton and make a moral case for her.
Nor can you make a moral case for Trump. And the mere fact that you would even bring it up shows your utter lack of understanding when it comes to morality.
By your actions, you are actively siding with evil out of nothing more then ego and petulance.
By your posts, you are showing that you have multiple accounts on this forum.
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Don't worry about what Hoodat says, he/she comes out of nowhere to fire off personal attacks at people.
If this type is happy with open borders, more terrorists in the USA, gun control and more abortion, not much can be done.
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Post such as this only prove the point about the true motivations for you vote. You care nothing about facts, and consequences, but are only interested in venting you childish petulance because you did not get your way in the Primary.
Examine carefully your motivations here. You will find they have nothing to do with morality, integrity or ethics. No matter how hard you try to lie to yourself, and others, God still know what truly moves you.
Clinton or Trump will be President. You cannot look at Clinton and make a moral case for her. By your actions, you are actively siding with evil out of nothing more then ego and petulance.
Can't make a moral case for Trump either. So I voted for McMullin.
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It's interesting how violent the bleep attacks on #Nevertrumps are becoming. You'd almost think we mattered, if they hadn't been crowing all along about how irrelevant we supposedly are.
They're getting more and more desperate as the gravity of what they've done becomes apparent.
8888crybaby
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Post such as this only prove the point about the true motivations for you vote. You care nothing about facts, and consequences, but are only interested in venting you childish petulance because you did not get your way in the Primary.
Examine carefully your motivations here. You will find they have nothing to do with morality, integrity or ethics. No matter how hard you try to lie to yourself, and others, God still know what truly moves you.
Clinton or Trump will be President. You cannot look at Clinton and make a moral case for her. By your actions, you are actively siding with evil out of nothing more then ego and petulance.
The only requirement that I ever had for Trump was for him to EARN my vote. The only request I have ever made of his supporters is to sell him to me. Convince me to vote FOR him and to do so without mentioning Hillary, Beck or Cruz. I don't think you are capable of making such a case.
I won't vote for a lifelong Democrat that still thinks the theft of private property is a beautiful thing, is a 9-11 truther, wealth tax supporting, Planned Parenthood loving, single payer health care dreamer, who attacks Conservatism with all his might. And no, I won't vote for his main opponent for the VERY SAME reasons.
Of course, the best thing for the country would be that I am proved to be completely wrong. I'd be more than happy to admit it, if it were to happen. The issue is that it won't and I doubt you would be so affable.
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Don't worry about what Hoodat says, he/she comes out of nowhere to fire off personal attacks at people.
If this type is happy with open borders, more terrorists in the USA, gun control and more abortion, not much can be done.
I am not at all happy with those things. Which is why I cannot support a candidate who supports touchback amnesty, taxpayer subsidies for Planned Parenthood, and assault weapons bans. And obviously you can.
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The only requirement that I ever had for Trump was for him to EARN my vote. The only request I have ever made of his supporters is to sell him to me. Convince me to vote FOR him and to do so without mentioning Hillary, Beck or Cruz. I don't think you are capable of making such a case.
I won't vote for a lifelong Democrat that still thinks the theft of private property is a beautiful thing, is a 9-11 truther, wealth tax supporting, Planned Parenthood loving, single payer health care dreamer, who attacks Conservatism with all his might. And no, I won't vote for his main opponent for the VERY SAME reasons.
Agree 100 %.
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Post such as this only prove the point about the true motivations for you vote. You care nothing about facts, and consequences, but are only interested in venting you childish petulance because you did not get your way in the Primary.
Examine carefully your motivations here. You will find they have nothing to do with morality, integrity or ethics. No matter how hard you try to lie to yourself, and others, God still know what truly moves you.
Clinton or Trump will be President. You cannot look at Clinton and make a moral case for her. By your actions, you are actively siding with evil out of nothing more then ego and petulance.
We failed to nominate someone we could support. Plain and simple.
Y'all Trump Supporters "won". You insisted you didn't need nor want us.
Now you bitch at us like alcoholic ex spouses. You made your bed, and we aren't climbing in.
So, a bunch of us left in search of candidates we could support. The GOP doesn't own us or our votes. We aren't "plantation folks" like the Democrat voters. Y'all just got used to the idea that we would vote for whoever had an 'R' after their name out of desperation. Only what y'all nominated just didn't make it quite so clear why we should be so desperate as to throw our principles away to vote for him.
Now, the GOP can have a collective hissyfit about that, 'excommunicate' us from the fold, fine. (You're too late, anyway, I already have parted ties because the GOP left me.)
I really don't care. If the objective is the restoration of our Constitutional Republic, the GOP isn't the vehicle to get it done, and hasn't been for half a century. Unless and until it gets its collective stuff straight, I'm not going to be back, and maybe not then.
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No pro-lifer should vote for McMulllin, he has no record on this until this year, he's basically Romney's puppet as far as I'm concerned.
Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, even people like McMulllin, all 3 of those combined haven't done 10% of what Mike Pence has done for the pro-life movement.
Voting for McMullin is voting for Hillary's extreme abortion agenda.
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Don't worry about what Hoodat says, he/she comes out of nowhere to fire off personal attacks at people.
If this type is happy with open borders, more terrorists in the USA, gun control and more abortion, not much can be done.
Now that is just pure bullchit right there. To falsely portray someone to be for those things when they are not ....just because they're not 'for' Trump is being deliberately dishonest. Typical behavior for the average #alwaysTrump "type".
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No pro-lifer should vote for McMulllin, he has no record on this until this year, he's basically Romney's puppet as far as I'm concerned.
Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, even people like McMulllin, all 3 of those combined haven't done 10% of what Mike Pence has done for the pro-life movement.
Voting for McMullin is voting for Hillary's extreme abortion agenda.
I'd be pleased and proud to vote for Mike Pence. Except he's not running for President. Trump should have stepped aside a month ago - but he hasn't, so I can only vote GOP down-ticket this year.
And stop spreading the canard that Trump is pro-life. He's likely paid for an abortion or two himself.
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And stop spreading the canard that Trump is pro-life. He's likely paid for an abortion or two himself.
Now that is simply uncalled for. You know better than that.
I can't believe you would stoop so low as to claim that Trump actually paid for anything.
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Now that is simply uncalled for. You know better than that.
I can't believe you would stoop so low as to claim that Trump actually paid for anything.
You owe me a keyboard...lol.
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Now that is just pure bullchit right there. To falsely portray someone to be for those things when they are not ....just because they're not 'for' Trump is being deliberately dishonest. Typical behavior for the average #alwaysTrump "type".
They're just trying to own our issues - Those things WE have carried the standard on for decades - without having to meet that standard. That crap don't fly with Conservatives anyhow. Never has.
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No pro-lifer should vote for McMulllin, he has no record on this until this year, he's basically Romney's puppet as far as I'm concerned.
Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, even people like McMulllin, all 3 of those combined haven't done 10% of what Mike Pence has done for the pro-life movement.
Voting for McMullin is voting for Hillary's extreme abortion agenda.
Pence didn't register as a write-in for President in my state, so I couldn't vote for him for that office. I voted for Evan McMullin.
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We failed to nominate someone we could support. Plain and simple.
Y'all Trump Supporters "won". You insisted you didn't need nor want us.
Now you bitch at us like alcoholic ex spouses. You made your bed, and we aren't climbing in.
So, a bunch of us left in search of candidates we could support. The GOP doesn't own us or our votes. We aren't "plantation folks" like the Democrat voters. Y'all just got used to the idea that we would vote for whoever had an 'R' after their name out of desperation. Only what y'all nominated just didn't make it quite so clear why we should be so desperate as to throw our principles away to vote for him.
Now, the GOP can have a collective hissyfit about that, 'excommunicate' us from the fold, fine. (You're too late, anyway, I already have parted ties because the GOP left me.)
I really don't care. If the objective is the restoration of our Constitutional Republic, the GOP isn't the vehicle to get it done, and hasn't been for half a century. Unless and until it gets its collective stuff straight, I'm not going to be back, and maybe not then.
As I said in another thread, my candidate didn't lose. My philosophy and principles lost. We aren't obligated to support the candidate and their policies in a general election if they win. A primary election is no different. My vote belongs to me, not the party. Otherwise there would be no vote, simply a party registration tally.
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@GAJohnnie
Suppose you manage to elect Hillary.
You did that when you chose a game show host and a certified moron to be the nominee.
Own it.
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He's Romney's puppet and like Glenn Beck, Romney is showing he's not pro-life at all; or maybe it should not have come to this ever.
I'd think Trump can take Utah, the press wants us to think otherwise.
@TomSea
I thought Trump was going to totally own the media? That's what you folks told us a few months back.
But I'm interested in the "Romney puppet" thing. I know Trump called him a puppet, and you're parroting what he says, as Trump supporters adorably tend to do.
But going forward, will any candidate who happens to be from the state of Utah also be a "Romney puppet"? What is your reasoning?
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All you actually get from the Trump Side is hate.
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All you actually get from the Trump Side is hate.
I see it on both sides here. Sink spins off the rails on an hourly basis about Donny anymore.
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Whoever had the "over" that Melania would go negative on her husband
MJ Lee
@mj_lee
Melania Trump says "our culture has gotten too mean and too rough"; that people put down others on "looks and intelligence." #2016
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I see it on both sides here. Sink spins off the rails on an hourly basis about Donny anymore.
He provides a target-rich environment.
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He provides a target-rich environment.
So does Hitlary. Times 10 this week.
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He provides a target-rich environment.
He pollutes the environment with his toxic orange cloud
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So does Hitlary. Times 10 this week.
Plenty of Hillary articles get posted. Plenty.
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Every Republican That Supports Trump Needs To Be Primaried.
Send Them All Packing.
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Every Republican That Supports Trump Needs To Be Primaried.
Send Them All Packing.
Yep.
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Pence didn't register as a write-in for President in my state, so I couldn't vote for him for that office. I voted for Evan McMullin.
Yup, me too. And the wife.
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Hoodat wrote:
"If Trump keeps this up, McMullin could actually win Utah."
McMullin seems to have been a brief flash-in-the-pan.
Polls in Utah within the last day or so, show Trump back up into the 40's and McMullin fading far behind...
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Hoodat wrote:
"If Trump keeps this up, McMullin could actually win Utah."
McMullin seems to have been a brief flash-in-the-pan.
Polls in Utah within the last day or so, show Trump back up into the 40's and McMullin fading far behind...
But the polls are rigged and oversample Democrats. At least that's what I've been told...
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No pro-lifer should vote for McMulllin, he has no record on this until this year, he's basically Romney's puppet as far as I'm concerned.
Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, even people like McMulllin, all 3 of those combined haven't done 10% of what Mike Pence has done for the pro-life movement.
Voting for McMullin is voting for Hillary's extreme abortion agenda.
Maybe you have slipped through a wormhole or have a case of the vapors, but Pence isn't running for President. The guy who praises to the hilt the work of Planned Parenthood, bankrolled pro-choice Rat politicians reelections and has said he was pro-choice as recently as a year ago is. His name is Donny.
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Plenty of Hillary articles get posted. Plenty.
Not by you you rodeo clown and when they do get posted you either dismiss them as nonsense or avoid them like the plague.
It's almost like you are a pro-Hitlary troll here just to trash Donny. Of course that can't be true. You don't have a history of being untruthful online.......do you?
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He's an equal Opportunity Republican hater, both these guys seem to bring out his worse.
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My view is McMulligan isn't trying to help. He isn't trying to fix things. He doesn't really stand for anything. He is merely a turd in the punch bowl.
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My view is McMulligan isn't trying to help. He isn't trying to fix things. He doesn't really stand for anything. He is merely a turd in the punch bowl.
He's also the closest thing to an actually effective "none of the above" vote that we have.
I'm starting to sympathize with the beliefs of the late Luther Knox (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._D._Knox#Running_for_office) that there needs to be a way to reject all candidates.
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My view is McMulligan isn't trying to help. He isn't trying to fix things. He doesn't really stand for anything. He is merely a turd in the punch bowl.
Not at all. He's a patriot, a hero and an honorable man, who also happens to be a conservative. As Gary Johnson continues to demonstrate his profound weaknesses on foreign policy, McMullin is (for those outside of Utah) THE viable option for conservatives who want to remain neutral in the Presidential election.
And that's the real issue heading into these last few days. Do conservatives who recognize the dangers of Donald Trump - both to the nation and the future viability of the conservative movement - choose to stay neutral or act to defeat it?
Consider this - the next few years will be rocky, but if we can hold Congress the crapulence of Hillary Clinton will be exposed and investigated, and together with the bankruptcy of her policies will set the stage for a roaring comeback by conservatives in 2018.
The task ahead will be to unite the clans. That means acknowledging the efficacy of some of Trump's message, even as the messenger must be rejected as utterly unfit for office. Give Trump his due - he roused a populist groundswell. I don't dismiss - and neither should Republican "elites" - the agony of the working class after eight years of slow growth and inattention. The next step is to unite behind a message with a sane messenger - perhaps Mike Pence.
The days following the election will be instructive. Will Trump claim personal grievance, or will he at last behave as a leader, and urge his constituents to reconcile with the rest of us who must do the hard work of addressing the House of Clinton? If he was really, as some suspect, a stalking horse for the Clintons, his post-election behavior will make that clear enough.
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He's also the closest thing to an actually effective "none of the above" vote that we have.
I'm starting to sympathize with the beliefs of the late Luther Knox (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._D._Knox#Running_for_office) that there needs to be a way to reject all candidates.
Especially this guy: Joe Exotic
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@Jazzhead
If you want to remain neutral then you don't vote for Mcmulligan. You don't vote at all.
"“What we’re trying to do is earn enough electoral votes [in the Electoral College] to block Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, if the race between both of them is close that we are able to do that by winning one or two states … if not that, then we will be, you know, happy to have prevented someone who I believe is a true authoritarian from taking power in the United States and that is Donald Trump,” McMullan told Austen Petersen, a libertarian activist, journalist, media consultant and entrepreneur. "
Turd in the punchbowl.
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It's interesting how violent the bleep attacks on #Nevertrumps are becoming. You'd almost think we mattered, if they hadn't been crowing all along about how irrelevant we supposedly are.
They're getting more and more desperate as the gravity of what they've done becomes apparent.
Exactly. if #NeverTrump people are to be tossed into the ash bin of ancient history after Tuesday, what's the point of going after them them?
Our votes didn't matter, right?
The person who loses is the one to blame for the loss.
Real simple.
They failed to receive enough votes to beat the other candidate.
No more complex than that.
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@Jazzhead
If you want to remain neutral then you don't vote for Mcmulligan. You don't vote at all.
"“What we’re trying to do is earn enough electoral votes [in the Electoral College] to block Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, if the race between both of them is close that we are able to do that by winning one or two states … if not that, then we will be, you know, happy to have prevented someone who I believe is a true authoritarian from taking power in the United States and that is Donald Trump,” McMullan told Austen Petersen, a libertarian activist, journalist, media consultant and entrepreneur. "
Turd in the punchbowl.
I agree with you that folks in Utah who vote for McMullin are voting to defeat Trump. That's why I've contributed to his campaign, to help drop that turd in Trump's punchbowl. But here in Pennsy, where he's just a write in, he's a principled way of saying "none of the above". And because Pennsy is a swing state - perhaps THE crucial swing state - I need to decide whether to cast such a vanity vote or a vote to keep, as McMullin says, "a true authoritarian from taking power".
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I agree with you that folks in Utah who vote for McMullin are voting to defeat Trump. That's why I've contributed to his campaign, to help drop that turd in Trump's punchbowl. But here in Pennsy, where he's just a write in, he's a principled way of saying "none of the above". And because Pennsy is a swing state - perhaps THE crucial swing state - I need to decide whether to cast such a vanity vote or a vote to keep, as McMullin says, "a true authoritarian from taking power".
Well, when he comes out and says stuff like that I lose interest fast. If he comes out and says I am everything conservatives are looking for and delineates those objectives I could see supporting him. Otherwise he is a turd in the puchbowl. Nothing more. Why don't you vote for a different third party candidate like Castle? It has the same effect doesn't it? I mean as far as objecting to either of those top two. Unless you seriously doubt either one WILL be POTUS.
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Don't people have to know,and care,who he is before they can attack him?
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Only means that McMullin is becoming a serious candidate.
@Oceander
True. I have read reliable reports he is running neck and neck with Fred Mertz's dead dog Scruffy. Scruffy is of course handicapped somewhat by being dead and buried.
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We didn't elect Clinton. We're not the ones who nominated the only person who couldn't beat her. You did and thus the blame for Clinton lies squarely on your shoulders.
@Oceander
What color is the sky on your home planet?
The way it works on THIS planet is that in America we end up with two candidates for president. One or the other of them win. Your vote for Luke Skywalker may get you a date with Yoda,but you have nobody to blame but yourself when the most hated and evil candidate in the history of this nation was elected because you were off somewhere eating your toejam to get higher.
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It's interesting how violent the bleep attacks on #Nevertrumps are becoming. You'd almost think we mattered,.
@Oceander
You DO matter. Bubbette! is counting on people like you to help put her over the top.
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@Oceander
True. I have read reliable reports he is running neck and neck with Fred Mertz's dead dog Scruffy. Scruffy is of course handicapped somewhat by being dead and buried.
I heard John Wayne said if he was alive he would vote for Trump. But since he is dead he is voting for hillary. :silly:
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The only thing that is going to be dead after Nov 8th is the Political/Media careers of the #Never Trumpsters.
Trump wins, you are impotent jokes who no one on the Right will ever take seriously on anything again.
Trump lose. You are personally responsible for helping elect the most corrupt lawless President in US History. The Left will still hate you politics and you will be anathema to everyone on the Right. You will be irrelevant and politically impotent.
The only route left will be to form a clown third party that will spasmodically thrash around for a few years and then die from terminal poltical irrelevancy.
A well deserved sad and sorry end to collection of petulant children who could not put their own egos aside once their candidate lost the Primary.
Looks like someone has spent a little too much time in the tank on the TRUMP TRAIN.
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But I'll be able to sleep at night.
I'm a conservative who wants my party back. I'll suffer four years of Clinton (or such shorter period of time 'til it takes to impeach her) in order to repudiate the racialists who've hijacked the GOP.
@Jazzhead
Oh,bullbush! WHO is going to impeach her,when even some of the people that hate and fear her can't even be bothered to make sure she isn't elected?
YOUR solution is akin to killing cancer cells by killing their host,the patient.
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I agree with you that folks in Utah who vote for McMullin are voting to defeat Trump. That's why I've contributed to his campaign, to help drop that turd in Trump's punchbowl. But here in Pennsy, where he's just a write in, he's a principled way of saying "none of the above". And because Pennsy is a swing state - perhaps THE crucial swing state - I need to decide whether to cast such a vanity vote or a vote to keep, as McMullin says, "a true authoritarian from taking power".
Though he's just a write-in, he's still on the ballot. Highly unlikely he will win in PA. Some reports state he's taking votes from Trump, some reports says he's taking vote from Clinton; the choice unfortunately we're dealing with. Do you keep a narcissistic demagogue who is potentially dangerous from taking power or do you keep a career criminal from taking power who's corruption continues to unfold all the way to the presidency with ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. Hell of a choice isn't it?
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Yes indeed, the B.S. detector is clearly pointing your way!!
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Yes indeed, the B.S. detector is clearly pointing your way!!
Ain't no clothespin strong enough to seal my nostrils off from the putrid stench of your Orange God that would let me even think for a millisecond about voting for your shitshow clown candidate.
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Exactly. if #NeverTrump people are to be tossed into the ash bin of ancient history after Tuesday, what's the point of going after them them?
Our votes didn't matter, right?
The person who loses is the one to blame for the loss.
Real simple.
They failed to receive enough votes to beat the other candidate.
No more complex than that.
That ignores the effort to steer the pesky Conservatives back onto the GOP Plantation. Danged uppity people anyway, thinking they own their vote and don't have to summarily cast it for whatever dreck the Prebius cadre wants to stuff into office.
Of course any and all who hop the fence and head for the Constitutional high ground will ever be vilified and marginalized, and politically treated as runaway slaves to be recaptured and flogged into submission. That's why the browbeating and even physical threats continue, even at this late date. It is a dangerous precedent to let people get away with thinking for themselves.