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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: Scutter on October 12, 2016, 04:59:44 pm
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I'm holding off until the final weekend. If Trump hasn't been knocked out by then, he may yet benefit from a final surge, similar to Reagan in 1980.
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He has held rallies in FL the past couple of days ... packed crowds. As the Wikileaks comes out against Clinton, I would anticipate his poll numbers again will soar. He needs to win FL. It's going to be tough; especially over in the Miami-Dade area.
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Bookmark.
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I think Trump loses by 8.
That being said, if he pulls of fthe miracle and manages to win, I'm breaking out the popcorn and staying up all night to watch the emotional collapse of the MSM, entertainers, etc.. It would be absolutely priceless.
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I think your prediction is 100% correct no matter which degenerate wins
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He has held rallies in FL the past couple of days ... packed crowds. As the Wikileaks comes out against Clinton, I would anticipate his poll numbers again will soar. He needs to win FL. It's going to be tough; especially over in the Miami-Dade area.
Packing out buildings is not difficult for him to do when he had 13 million people voting for him in the Primary, and he has maintained that star-like popularity among them. But to win the General he will need to be in the neighborhood of 133 million and it's a tall order considering what has been happening of late, including his war with the GOP.
I will still stand by my claim than Hildabeast will win and win early. And the Senate may go to the Dems as well.
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He has held rallies in FL the past couple of days ... packed crowds. As the Wikileaks comes out against Clinton, I would anticipate his poll numbers again will soar. He needs to win FL. It's going to be tough; especially over in the Miami-Dade area.
"Soar"? Nobody is paying attention to Wikileaks. That is all baked into Clinton's cake.
What is not baked into Trump's cake is what the next outrage may be.
People don't want garbage spilled into their living rooms every night and that's what the polls are reflecting right now.
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I predict with 100% certainty that on November 9th I will be posting here a BIG "I Told You So". And that the Tumpsters will be here as well posting that his loss is all the fault of the GOP and #Nevertrump's. Or they may go down the Looney path and claim the election was rigged.
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"Soar"? Nobody is paying attention to Wikileaks. That is all baked into Clinton's cake.
What is not baked into Trump's cake is what the next outrage may be.
People don't want garbage spilled into their living rooms every night and that's what the polls are reflecting right now.
Agreed. I think his poll numbers will take off again for awhile; but the next tidal wave of Trump news will bury him.
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Hillary will be the projected :3: winner the minute the final poll closes in the west. A bit later in the evening it will be projected that the dems will take over the senate. If Trump goes into total free fall into the election, then the House will fall as well. Our country as we know it will be over.
Buy lead.........
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Hillary will be the projected :3: winner the minute the final poll closes in the west. A bit later in the evening it will be projected that the dems will take over the senate. If Trump goes into total free fall into the election, then the House will fall as well. Our country as we know it will be over.
Buy lead.........
I think it was over in 2008.
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I think it was over in 2008.
I was trying to be optimistic. ^-^
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Packing out buildings is not difficult for him to do when he had 13 million people voting for him in the Primary, and he has maintained that star-like popularity among them. But to win the General he will need to be in the neighborhood of 133 million and it's a tall order considering what has been happening of late, including his war with the GOP.
I will still stand by my claim than Hildabeast will win and win early. And the Senate may go to the Dems as well.
Wasn't trying to insinuate at all that he was going to win -- his poll numbers in FL I believe will rise again while he's campaigning here, but he's never going to win the much needed Miami-Dade area. Also, except for Evan McMullin all of the 3rd party candidates are on the ballot in FL (not just write in).
When they handed Trump the nomination I predicted then that the GOP would lose the Senate, House and the oval office. I stand by that claim.
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I predict with 100% certainty that on November 9th I will be posting here a BIG "I Told You So". And that the Tumpsters will be here as well posting that his loss is all the fault of the GOP and #Nevertrump's. Or they may go down the Looney path and claim the election was rigged.
You sound like the smartass in line to see the movie Titanic, and telling everyone the ship sinks.
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Trump loses in a landslide. R's keep the House and Senate, albeit with much-reduced majorities.
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Trump loses bigly. Proudly concedes and congratulates Hillary, says she won a great victory and then starts slamming Republicans again.
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Packing out buildings is not difficult for him to do when he had 13 million people voting for him in the Primary, and he has maintained that star-like popularity among them. But to win the General he will need to be in the neighborhood of 133 million and it's a tall order considering what has been happening of late, including his war with the GOP.
I will still stand by my claim than Hildabeast will win and win early. And the Senate may go to the Dems as well.
133 million would be nearly unanimous (assuming turnout levels relatively consistent with the several preceeding elections) .
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I'm holding off until the final weekend. If Trump hasn't been knocked out by then, he may yet benefit from a final surge, similar to Reagan in 1980.
Me too....anything can happen the last 29 days....
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I still think the GOP throws Romney in before this is over, but if they stand by Trump...
He loses big. We lose the senate. Most people abandon the GOP. In 2 years most of them come back citing the same lame excuses. Then we lose the House too because in the meantime the remanants of the GOP will be tripping over themselves to satisfy Hillary's desires..
Overall, no one that has not already learned their lesson will and we will continue the spiral downward until ultimately we collapse or the dems literally do go full dictatorship...which I think will happen sooner rather than later.
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I predict with 100% certainty that on November 9th I will be posting here a BIG "I Told You So". And that the Tumpsters will be here as well posting that his loss is all the fault of the GOP and #Nevertrump's. Or they may go down the Looney path and claim the election was rigged.
Whether or not Trump wins, you are still right on all counts.
Have NeverTrumps opposed Trump? Yes
Has the GOP opposed Trump? Yes
Is the system rigged? (i won't even bother to answer that one)
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Clinton by 4or 5 points
Dems make gained in Senate
GOP holds House
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Clinton by 4or 5 points
Dems make gained in Senate
GOP holds House
Pretty much. According to RCP if the GOP lost every seat that's in play they'd still hold the House.
The good news for Trump is that I believe he's hit his ceiling, errr... floor. I don't think his poll numbers can go any lower. Bad news is, they may not go any higher either.
When all is said in done the election will closely resemble 2008 without a damn thing changing hands. Only thing in question is does the GOP hold the Senate. RCP says yes (for now), 538 says no.
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Winnah chicken dinnah!
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I think Trump loses by 8.
That being said, if he pulls of fthe miracle and manages to win, I'm breaking out the popcorn and staying up all night to watch the emotional collapse of the MSM, entertainers, etc.. It would be absolutely priceless.
Are you still voting Trump? I was settled on him, but after "Pussygate" I have my doubts.
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You know where I stand on Trump but I think there is a good chance he can still win.
It isn't because of his true believers or some sort of revolution. It is the pop culture win.
It will be the same mass of voters who dial into American Idle every week. It is the same group of people who give Honey Boo Boo and Jersey Shore their ratings. It is the same group of people who make Miley Cyrus and Kanye West top selling musicians(sic). It is the same people who think Duck Dynasty and the WWE are real. There are millions of them, and they vote... now they have a recognizable reality star to vote for.
However, what makes this also unpredictable for me is the mass of Republican defections. I didn't expect it at this point from actual elected officials. If we thought the 'grab her kitty' comment was bad, you've yet to see how bad it is really going to get. It will make last Friday look peaceful. Every time one of these come out, more and more people will have a line they just won't cross.
May we live in interesting times.
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You know where I stand on Trump but I think there is a good chance he can still win.
It isn't because of his true believers or some sort of revolution. It is the pop culture win.
It will be the same mass of voters who dial into American Idle every week. It is the same group of people who give Honey Boo Boo and Jersey Shore their ratings. It is the same group of people who make Miley Cyrus and Kanye West top selling musicians(sic). It is the same people who think Duck Dynasty and the WWE are real. There are millions of them, and they vote... now they have a recognizable reality star to vote for.
However, what makes this also unpredictable for me is the mass of Republican defections. I didn't expect it at this point from actual elected officials. If we thought the 'grab her kitty' comment was bad, you've yet to see how bad it is really going to get. It will make last Friday look peaceful. Every time one of these come out, more and more people will have a line they just won't cross.
May we live in interesting times.
One thing that may help Trump is how short people's memories are.
Something big is gonna happen in the next few weeks, and it will take Trump and his idiocy out of the spotlight.
I would say another BLM riot would be enough to do it, or maybe a terrorist attack.
Probably won't be enough for him to win it, but it will improve his poll numbers a bit.
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I would say another BLM riot would be enough to do it, or maybe a terrorist attack.
Probably won't be enough for him to win it, but it will improve his poll numbers a bit.
A significant drop in the stock market would do it, if it's portrayed as a "crash."
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Something big is gonna happen in the next few weeks, and it will take Trump and his idiocy out of the spotlight.
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"Nevermind that s__t, here comes Mongo!"
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A significant drop in the stock market would do it, if it's portrayed as a "crash."
We won't have a repeat of the 2008 crash until after Inauguration Day.
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My predictions: Clinton wins, but by a smaller amount (both percentage and electoral vote) than polls currently indicate. I think the GOP keeps the House and Senate, although they will have losses in both (and the Senate may be razor-close). I also think that overall, third parties will receive their largest number of votes (in aggregate) since 1992, and the overall participation of the electorate will be at it's lowest, perhaps in history.
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Bookmark
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Clinton wins, sweeping swing states
This is a bold one: McMullin picks off Utah, but because Trump doesn't carry enough swing states, the election doesn't go to the House
Johnson might pick off New Mexico, but I won't guarantee it.
House and Senate remain GOP. Republican voters vote downballot but not for Trump. Threat of Trump diehards voting Trump but not downballot will be overblown, as most of his strong points in the primaries were in states where Congressmen endorsed him anyway. Dems might gain in the Senate but I don't think it will be enough.
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Russia hacks the election tallies in numerous swing states. King Trumpy wins. Obama following the lead of cia and homeland security declares election null and void. Martial law imposed to controll all of the deplorables
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Donald J Trump will man a kissing booth at the Fifth Street Elementary School Fair next week
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<quote>As of right now (Oct-12), 538 is predicting a Hillary blow-out: 341 (Hillary) to 197 (Trump) electoral votes.</quote>
It won't be that close. Hillary will top 400 EVs.
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Given the news that broke this past Friday, does anyone want to change their prediction(s)? :pondering:
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Given the news that broke this past Friday, does anyone want to change their prediction(s)? :pondering:
Hmph, I was right and didn't even realize it:
Something big is gonna happen in the next few weeks, and it will take Trump and his idiocy out of the spotlight.
Yup, something happened.
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Clinton wins, sweeping swing states
This is a bold one: McMullin picks off Utah, but because Trump doesn't carry enough swing states, the election doesn't go to the House
Johnson might pick off New Mexico, but I won't guarantee it.
House and Senate remain GOP. Republican voters vote downballot but not for Trump. Threat of Trump diehards voting Trump but not downballot will be overblown, as most of his strong points in the primaries were in states where Congressmen endorsed him anyway. Dems might gain in the Senate but I don't think it will be enough.
@jmyrlefuller is still right ON!
But @kjam22 has his point's too,
Russia hacks the election tallies in numerous swing states. King Trumpy wins. Obama following the lead of cia and homeland security declares election null and void. Martial law imposed to controll all of the deplorables
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@jmyrlefuller is still right ON!
But @kjam22 has his point's too,
12th Amendment scenario is looking more and more... possible. As Hillary gets weaker you could see McMullin take Utah, Johnson take NM, or (I'm told) Bernie could take VT as a write in.
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Hillary still wins, albeit not by a landslide.
Although.........there might be something else coming, given that this is 2016.
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But to win the General he will need to be in the neighborhood of 133 million and it's a tall order considering what has been happening of late, including his war with the GOP.
60 to 65 million
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I think Trump is going to win.
The media is trying to downplay the reopened investigation, but the news is leaking out how the DOJ stopped all the investigations and the ongoing wikileaks disclosures just confirm that the clinton cartel is a crime family. A lot of nevertrumpers are going to feel they have no choice but to vote for Trump and the independents will break his way.
I don't know if he has the self control, but all Trump has to do is keeping repeating "hillary is so crooked".
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I believe through some voting irregularities with the electronic voting machines, Michael Dukakis will win in a landslide.
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...hmm... let's see... Hillary is forced to step down leaving the DNC with Kaine as the nominee; those that voted early for Hillary will in essence have voted for Kaine. DEMS will lose interest in voting and McMullin will win Utah and Idaho and Johnson will win NM. Trump winds up with 255 electoral votes and Kaine winds up with 265 electoral votes turning the election over to the House. The House selects McMullin as the president. McMullin will make history by becoming the first president to have won the election by only getting 10 electoral votes and Finn will make history becoming the first female Vice President.
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I've hoped for weeks that Julian Assange could deliver the knock-out punch to her Campaign, I knew Trump couldn't do it, he's to busy shooting himself in the feet. Now, they want me to believe Dir. Comey, who has already been a major disappointment, will do the dirty deed, this time. I'll pass on the invite to that party.
Hillary by 320+ EV we keep the House and if there isn't another jumpin Jeffords we keep the Senate - It will be that Close.
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I don't think the House will choose McMullin. I think the house will try and please everyone in the Republican Party by choosing Pence. I don't love Pence, but a lot of people would see him as a good compromise. Even the Trumpsters might not be too mad.
Still, I think Hillary will win it outright.
I don't think they can select Pence as he is only a running mate. It is my understanding that the House would have to chose from the 3 candidates with the most electoral votes; which in the scenario is Trump, Kaine or McMullin.
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@libertybele
Here's how.
The House selects the President and the Senate selects the VP. If the House deadlocks, the VP choice becomes President.
BTW, in the house each state delegation gets one vote. So it is not purely numbers as with any other vote. It would depend on which party held the majority delegation in the most states. If it deadlocks at 25-25, then the Senate VP choice becomes President.
You are wishing for something that is 100% improbable. Trump is the GOP candidate. He is who the GOP controlled House will vote for and no one else.
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@Frank Cannon
I looked it up. If it goes to the House it is very bad news for the Democrats. They hold a majority in only 16 states. If the Republicans have any sense, they will fight to dump Trump somehow. Since they have no sense, it will probably go to Trump. If Trump wins, I will never vote for another Republican as long as he holds power. NEVER. None of them. They will all be tainted by the Orange Glorious.
Because you don't like him the House is going to disregard the millions of votes Donny got in a fair election and give it to Pence for no particular reason. Now that wouldn't lead to a civil war, would it.
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I disagree. Trump will lose. I think he will lose big. He never had a chance. Too many people know he is crazy.
Compared to Hillary? What is wrong with you people?
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Nothing is wrong with us. But a whole lot is wrong with Trump. He is hideous. A nightmare! Disgusting. Vile. Vindictive. Immature. Power hungry. Pompous. Short tempered. Vulgar. Etc.
Again, compared to Hillary? Again, what is wrong with you people?
You strain at gnats and swallow camels!
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@Frank Cannon
I remember only a few short months ago you said you were voting for Hillary.
Shit happens. I decided it was better to have an irrational sociopath instead of a traitor, criminal and all around terrible person as President. If truth be told, I do not think McMullin will get close to winning a state. Either will Johnson. I also think that Donny will beat expectations. If you knew nothing about the race and went through PA, you would think there is only one candidate on the ballot. There is nothing for Hitlary here. Nothing. There is also a lot of pent up rage at DC and I feel that even though people hate Donny, Hitlary is the DC candidate and they will vote against her for nothing more than to jam up the system.
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Shit happens. I decided it was better to have an irrational sociopath instead of a traitor, criminal and all around terrible person as President. If truth be told, I do not think McMullin will get close to winning a state. Either will Johnson. I also think that Donny will beat expectations. If you knew nothing about the race and went through PA, you would think there is only one candidate on the ballot. There is nothing for Hitlary here. Nothing. There is also a lot of pent up rage at DC and I feel that even though people hate Donny, Hitlary is the DC candidate and they will vote against her for nothing more than to jam up the system.
A lot of Trump's supporters picked him because they saw him as a spoiler. A lot of them know he's no conservative and they know he's erratic, but they also know he looks like the sort of fellow who can F*** up Washington D.C. influence peddling and cartels.
He is the very definition of a "loose cannon" but when your ship is already under the control of pirates, a loose cannon is not such a bad thing. At least that is how many people see him, I think.
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Hillary still wins, albeit not by a landslide.
Although.........there might be something else coming, given that this is 2016.
Clinton now wins in a EV squeaker. Trump might even win popular vote. Followed by an indictment, and Hitlerly abdicating to Kaine by inauguration time,
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I predict the Cowboys will come back to beat Philly in overtime.
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OK, here is my prediction, no matter who wins or loses, AMERICA is sooo SCREWED! ***suicide***
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Enjoy your loose cannon and stop worrying about what you cannot control, which is the rest of us.
I'm not trying to control you, i'm trying to figure out what is wrong with you people?
Your mental processes are alien to me. Again, you strain at gnats and swallow camels.
For every criticism you have directed at Trump, Hillary is much worse. Magnitudes worse, yet you keep trying to argue as if there is no relative difference between the two.
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In this week before the election, I'm not convinced that voters are so disturbed by Trump's persona, the only legitimate criticism of Donald Trump – his tone and blunt personality – that the electorate has decided to vote for Hillary's campaign. For a campaign so wracked by questions of illegality, where the vice chair, still married to a pedophile, may be talking to the FBI for an immunity deal over mishandling government documents, and the candidate herself, also implicated, remains with a rapist and accused pedophile and is under a separate active FBI investigation into her pay-to-play corruption as Secretary of State.
No way.
Trump-Pence 2016
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I'm not trying to control you, i'm trying to figure out what is wrong with you people?
Your mental processes are alien to me. Again, you strain at gnats and swallow camels.
For every criticism you have directed at Trump, Hillary is much worse. Magnitudes worse, yet you keep trying to argue as if there is no relative difference between the two.
There is no difference between the two. The lack of judgment needed to miss such an obvious point is beyond alien to me and I've stopped even pretending that you people have any mental processes involved, period. You credit a confessed liar - see his own books - with telling you nothing but Gods own truth, and you ostentatiously ignore every piece of real evidence from his past that belies your beliefs in him.
You can pretend your Orange buffoon is dressed in the truth, but I can tell you your orange emperor has no clothes on.
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I'm not trying to control you, i'm trying to figure out what is wrong with you people?
Your mental processes are alien to me. Again, you strain at gnats and swallow camels.
For every criticism you have directed at Trump, Hillary is much worse. Magnitudes worse, yet you keep trying to argue as if there is no relative difference between the two.
Anyone saying Trump is morally equivalent to Hillary is beyond help. No rational person could ever make such a conclusion. There really is not much to be gained in conversing with someone so emotionally invested in NeverTrump that they have thrown all reason out the door.
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Anyone saying Trump is morally equivalent to Hillary is beyond help. No rational person could ever make such a conclusion. There really is not much to be gained in conversing with someone so emotionally invested in NeverTrump that they have thrown all reason out the
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Well said!!! :hands: :hands: Trump Landslide as of today :patriot:
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Well said!!! :hands: :hands: Trump Landslide as of today :patriot:
Trump may squeak out a win but no evidence of a landslide...
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I'm not trying to control you, i'm trying to figure out what is wrong with you people?
Your mental processes are alien to me. Again, you strain at gnats and swallow camels.
For every criticism you have directed at Trump, Hillary is much worse. Magnitudes worse, yet you keep trying to argue as if there is no relative difference between the two.
The problem is that "better than Hillary," is a damned low bar. A burning case of the clap is better than Hillary. And in fact I'd rather spend the next four years pissing needles than referring to Hillary as Madam President.
Being better than Hillary isn't making Trump conservative, and principled conservatives recognize that reality.
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In my opinion, Donald Trump is the best candidate to come along in decades. Far superior to his competitors in the Republican primary and galactically better than Hillary.
He'll use his strong work ethic and adapt his business experience, i.e. managing each new construction challenge to bring the project in on time and under budget – and quickly begin tackling the problems of a corrupted status quo and help steer this ship of state toward America-centric policies.
America is lucky that finally Donald Trump stepped up to the plate.
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America is lucky that finally Donald Trump stepped up to the plate.
Completely agree
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He'll use his strong work ethic and adapt his business experience, i.e. managing each new construction challenge to bring the project in on time and under budget – and quickly begin tackling the problems of a corrupted status quo and help steer this ship of state toward America-centric policies.
Great! So instead of the Dixie Mafia, the Cosa Nostra that Trump cut deals with on his construction projects will be controlling our nation! We're trading one mob for another more experienced one!
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In my opinion, Donald Trump is the best candidate to come along in decades. Far superior to his competitors in the Republican primary and galactically better than Hillary.
He'll use his strong work ethic and adapt his business experience, i.e. managing each new construction challenge to bring the project in on time and under budget – and quickly begin tackling the problems of a corrupted status quo and help steer this ship of state toward America-centric policies.
America is lucky that finally Donald Trump stepped up to the plate.
And this is based on what? His campaign that is revolving door for political hacks and is probably the most mismanaged since McGovern. He has no campaign offices in important must win states. They are taking his name off buildings and renaming them Scion because his brand is so damaged. Is it maybe that he has been consistent behind in the polls from one of the most corrupt losers the Rats ever ran.
You are delusional if you think Donny will be anything but terrible.
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Well said!!! :hands: :hands: Trump Landslide as of today :patriot:
Trump has no get out the vote organization in ANY state. A win is VERY unlikely.....
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****slapping
There is no difference between the two.
I am not going to entertain your ridiculous assertion. Hillary is Himmler level of evil and Trump is maybe Dan Rostenkowski level of evil.
That you don't grasp this truth tells me that you are ignorant, and apparently intent on remaining so.
If you feel like growing up a little bit, read
Hillary Clinton’s 38-Year History of Sleaze and Corruption (https://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2016/10/28/hillary-clintons-38-year-history-of-sleaze-and-corruption/)
He and his colleagues were ordered to clear out their desks and were escorted from the White House, which quickly announced they were the subject of a criminal investigation by the FBI. They were in shock. So were members of the press, who knew Mr. Dale and his colleagues as honest and professional.
You have an irrational hatred of Trump and an irrational non-hatred of Hillary Fascist Clinton.
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Does Trump win now that the FBI has went back into the e-mails?
Maybe, it helps his chances, that's for sure.
A landslide?
Not likely, for either candidate.
Will there be another Trump "revelation" put out by the Clinton Campaign soon?
Probably, but the clock is ticking for them to do so.
It is a possibility that there isn't anything left, except for them to double down on the women thing they've put out already.
Trump better hope that is the case.
Interesting times.
Sleazy, but interesting.
Or as Arte Johnson used to say on Laugh-in,"Very interesting, but Stupid".
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The problem is that "better than Hillary," is a damned low bar. A burning case of the clap is better than Hillary. And in fact I'd rather spend the next four years pissing needles than referring to Hillary as Madam President.
Being better than Hillary isn't making Trump conservative, and principled conservatives recognize that reality.
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I am not going to entertain your ridiculous assertion. Hillary is Himmler level of evil and Trump is maybe Dan Rostenkowski level of evil.
Hillary is ghastly. Trump is ghastly. Both of them -- totally unfit for the office. Is it really necessary to put in the effort of distinguishing between the two, for purposes of not voting for either?
You have an irrational hatred of Trump and an irrational non-hatred of Hillary Fascist Clinton.
Speaking for myself only, I don't hate Trump -- I just find him utterly appalling. Truly an awful candidate, whose demonstrated behavior issues would make him truly an awful president.
Acknowledging such things does not make one a supporter of Hillary Clinton.
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The hyperbole in this place has reached epidemic proportions...
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The problem is that "better than Hillary," is a damned low bar. A burning case of the clap is better than Hillary. And in fact I'd rather spend the next four years pissing needles than referring to Hillary as Madam President.
Being better than Hillary isn't making Trump conservative, and principled conservatives recognize that reality.
Nobody believes Trump is a conservative, but Hillary is F***ing evil. Evil in a manner we seldom see in modern politics. Hillary has a massive history of sleaze and psychotic obsession. She has been up to her neck in unethical and illegal behavior since at least the 1970s.
She is absolutely merciless to people beneath her and has absolutely no qualms about breaking laws when she feels like it.
Contemplating the handing of power over to this evil nutjob is tantamount to playing Russian Roulette with five loaded rounds. Hillary is about the worst of the worst you can find in the modern Democratic caucus, and people want to compare Trump to Hillary?
Hillary is not the only one that is nuts.
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Hillary is ghastly. Trump is ghastly. Both of them -- totally unfit for the office. Is it really necessary to put in the effort of distinguishing between the two, for purposes of not voting for either?
There are differences in degree of ghastliness. Hillary is about a 90% Ghastly, while Trump is in the 10-20% range of ghastly.
Speaking for myself only, I don't hate Trump -- I just find him utterly appalling. Truly an awful candidate, whose demonstrated behavior issues would make him truly an awful president.
Acknowledging such things does not make one a supporter of Hillary Clinton.
It does when you spend virtually all your time "Acknowledging" and precious little of it pointing out how horrible Clinton is. Hillary is a quantum level of difference in awfulness than is Trump.
We get a choice between fire and a frying pan, so people need to stop criticizing the frying pan or we will end up in the fire!
Yah! Frying pan!
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The hyperbole in this place has reached epidemic proportions...
The rationality in this place must have ebbed to it's lowest level for people to see the clear truth as demonstrated by the history of Hillary Rotten Clinton, as "hyperbole."
She altered official Watergate briefs to deny Nixon his right to Counsel. She lied to the judge, she lied to her fellow attorneys.
She was up to her eyeballs in the "Whitewater" scandal for which virtually everyone else went to prison.
It wasn't enough that she fired without warning 7 members of the White House Travel office so she could give their jobs to her cronies from Arkansas, she *MADE UP* accusations against them and then tried to sic the FBI on them!
And on and on and on and on.
Hyperbole? You just don't know the background material. It isn't hyperbole, it is an accurate assessment of the threat that psychotic hate-witch represents.
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The rationality in this place must have ebbed to it's lowest level for people to see the clear truth as demonstrated by the history of Hillary Rotten Clinton, as "hyperbole."
She altered official Watergate briefs to deny Nixon his right to Counsel. She lied to the judge, she lied to her fellow attorneys.
She was up to her eyeballs in the "Whitewater" scandal for which virtually everyone else went to prison.
It wasn't enough that she fired without warning 7 members of the White House Travel office so she could give their jobs to her cronies from Arkansas, she *MADE UP* accusations against them and then tried to sic the FBI on them!
And on and on and on and on.
Hyperbole? You just don't know the background material. It isn't hyperbole, it is an accurate assessment of the threat that psychotic hate-witch represents.
It's hyperbole IMO. Hillary is just a sleazebag politician, like her husband. Comparing her to Hitler and all this ridiculousness, really makes you look like a kook.
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She altered official Watergate briefs to deny Nixon his right to Counsel. She lied to the judge, she lied to her fellow attorneys.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/zSs-B4z4BSo/hqdefault.jpg)
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It's hyperbole IMO. Hillary is just a sleazebag politician, like her husband.
All along Mrs. Clinton publicly insisted she had no knowledge of the firings. Then it became barely any knowledge, then barely any involvement. When the story blew up she said under oath that she had “no role in the decision to terminate the employees.” She did not “direct that any action be taken by anyone.” In a deposition she denied having had a role in the firings, and said she was unable to remember conversations with various staffers with any specificity. A General Accounting Office report found she did play a role. But three years later a memo written by David Watkins to the White House chief of staff, recounting the history of the firings, suddenly surfaced. (“Suddenly surfaced” is a phrase one reads a lot in Clinton scandal stories.) It showed Mrs. Clinton herself directed them.
The White House pressed the FBI to investigate, FBI agents balked—on what evidence?—but ultimately there was an investigation, and an audit. …Billy Dale was indicted on charges including embezzlement. The trial lasted almost two weeks. …The jury acquitted him in less than two hours.
Comparing her to Hitler and all this ridiculousness, really makes you look like a kook.
This simply tells me that you are unfamiliar with the methods and tactics Hitler used to acquire power.
Do you not grasp the significance of the fact she demanded criminal prosecutions of the people *SHE* fired, all the while lying about it? They had never done anything to her, and suddenly she is demanding the FBI prosecute these people?
Pathological, and instinctively evil.
No, she won't be a Hitler if she doesn't get power, but she has all the characteristics of a Hitler-like individual.
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Nobody believes Trump is a conservative, but Hillary is F***ing evil. Evil in a manner we seldom see in modern politics. Hillary has a massive history of sleaze and psychotic obsession. She has been up to her neck in unethical and illegal behavior since at least the 1970s.
She is absolutely merciless to people beneath her and has absolutely no qualms about breaking laws when she feels like it.
I completely agree with your assessment of Hillary.
Contemplating the handing of power over to this evil nutjob is tantamount to playing Russian Roulette with five loaded rounds. Hillary is about the worst of the worst you can find in the modern Democratic caucus, and people want to compare Trump to Hillary?
Hillary is not the only one that is nuts.
Hillary is the worst. Once again I agree, but Trump is the second worst.
You complain about the comparing to Trump to Hillary, but it's the Trump supporters who keep comparing Hillary to Trump in an effort to say "at least he's better than she is." It's the principled conservatives who want to look at Trump without comparing him to anything other than our own principled guide posts. He's not conservative, and as such my support for him is luke warm at best, regardless of how bad Hillary is.
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This simply tells me that you are unfamiliar with the methods and tactics Hitler used to acquire power.
Do you not grasp the significance of the fact she demanded criminal prosecutions of the people *SHE* fired, all the while lying about it? They had never done anything to her, and suddenly she is demanding the FBI prosecute these people?
Pathological, and instinctively evil.
No, she won't be a Hitler if she doesn't get power, but she has all the characteristics of a Hitler-like individual.
Clinton has none of the crucial characteristic that Hitler had and that made him the Hitler the world feared: charisma. His ability to give a speech and master a crowd was phenomenal. Clinton is the anti-Hitler when it comes to that. There is, however, one person who does have the ability to electrify a crowd, even when speaking inanities .....
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(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/zSs-B4z4BSo/hqdefault.jpg)
Exactly. Hillary does not occasionally stumble into the arena of lawlessness. She lives there, and she has lived there for a very long time.
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Well, I voted early yesterday after which I immediately went home and fell to my knees, praying that the individual who received my vote for POTUS would lose so that I wouldn't have to deal with the guilt of feeling responsible for their actions.
#IHateThisElection
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There are differences in degree of ghastliness. Hillary is about a 90% Ghastly, while Trump is in the 10-20% range of ghastly.
My meter stops for both of them at "100% Unfit." No sense in flapping gums about 'em after that. But you keep trying to pretend Trump is fit for the office.... which is your mistake and problem.
It does when you spend virtually all your time "Acknowledging" and precious little of it pointing out how horrible Clinton is. Hillary is a quantum level of difference in awfulness than is Trump.
Why should I keep reminding you of something we agree on; i.e., that Clinton is horrible? Sorry to have hurt your feelings by not saying what you want me to say.
We get a choice between fire and a frying pan, so people need to stop criticizing the frying pan or we will end up in the fire! Yah! Frying pan!
Um.... you know that both of those are bad choices ending in death, right?
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I completely agree with your assessment of Hillary.
Hillary is the worst. Once again I agree, but Trump is the second worst.
I wouldn't go that far. Nancy Pelosi strikes me as being worse than Trump. Debbie Wasserman Schultz strikes me as being worse than Trump. Alan Grayson strikes me as being worse than Trump. Chuck Schumer strikes me as being worse than Trump. Elizabeth Warren strikes me as being worse than Trump.
I imagine there are a lot of Democrats I would regard as worse than Trump, so I would say calling him "second worst" is a major exaggeration. He's like 564th worst or some such.
He's not good, but he's not "second worst." He's a long ways from "second worst."
You complain about the comparing to Trump to Hillary, but it's the Trump supporters who keep comparing Hillary to Trump in an effort to say "at least he's better than she is."
I don't know what you are talking about. Every day I see from the usual suspects, new posts about how bad Trump is. I do not see these same people posting threads about how bad Hillary is, or if so, not nearly so often as they post a "bad Trump" thread.
When anyone on the Trump bandwagon makes a comparison between Trump and Hillary, it's usually intended to contrast how great the differences are, not to imply they are equally bad.
That "equally bad" stuff is nonsense, yet it seems to be a near constant around here.
It's the principled conservatives who want to look at Trump without comparing him to anything other than our own principled guide posts. He's not conservative, and as such my support for him is luke warm at best, regardless of how bad Hillary is.
I am right there with you. Cruz would have been so much better as a choice, but unfortunately that decision is behind us, and though it was a mistake, we now have to deal with the consequences of it.
We have an erratic and narcissistic blowhard as our candidate, but the opposition candidate is a monster. In the calculus with which we are faced, @$$hole beats monster any day of the week.
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Clinton has none of the crucial characteristic that Hitler had and that made him the Hitler the world feared: charisma.
She has something he didn't. Television media. The news media tell people what to think because people trust them, and if they say such and such needs to be done, the lemmings will get behind it.
His ability to give a speech and master a crowd was phenomenal.
She has media. She doesn't need Charisma. The fact that she was winning demonstrates clearly that Charisma is not a necessity in gaining or wielding power.
Clinton is the anti-Hitler when it comes to that. There is, however, one person who does have the ability to electrify a crowd, even when speaking inanities .....
And for which the media will be in constant opposition. Last I checked, the media was winning the fight. Do you have a different take on the power of the media?
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Well, I voted early yesterday after which I immediately went home and fell to my knees, praying that the individual who received my vote for POTUS would lose so that I wouldn't have to deal with the guilt of feeling responsible for their actions.
#IHateThisElection
So you voted for someone you hoped wouldn't win?
Bizarre.
I have no idea who I will vote for, even still, obviously not HRC. But if my gut tells me not to vote for them, I won't.
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So you voted for someone you hoped wouldn't win?
Bizarre.
I have no idea who I will vote for, even still, obviously not HRC. But if my gut tells me not to vote for them, I won't.
My guts told me not to vote for anyone on the list.
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I wouldn't go that far. Nancy Pelosi strikes me as being worse than Trump. Debbie Wasserman Schultz strikes me as being worse than Trump. Alan Grayson strikes me as being worse than Trump. Chuck Schumer strikes me as being worse than Trump. Elizabeth Warren strikes me as being worse than Trump.
None of those people are running for POTUS in 2016. Trump is the second worst candidate on the ballot, period. And he is certainly the worst GOP candidate in my 52 years.
I imagine there are a lot of Democrats I would regard as worse than Trump, so I would say calling him "second worst" is a major exaggeration. He's like 564th worst or some such.
He's not good, but he's not "second worst." He's a long ways from "second worst."
I don't know what you are talking about. Every day I see from the usual suspects, new posts about how bad Trump is. I do not see these same people posting threads about how bad Hillary is, or if so, not nearly so often as they post a "bad Trump" thread.
When anyone on the Trump bandwagon makes a comparison between Trump and Hillary, it's usually intended to contrast how great the differences are, not to imply they are equally bad.
That "equally bad" stuff is nonsense, yet it seems to be a near constant around here.
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"How bad Trump is" doesn't require a comparison to Hillary, only a measurement to one's own principles.
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So you voted for someone you hoped wouldn't win?
Bizarre.
Well, it is a bizarre election, after all.
He's far from alone in hoping that neither Trump nor Clinton wins. If you nevertheless figure you have to vote for one or the other of them, I guess that's what you're left with.
The only possible (remotely possible) upside to this mess is that it may force a political realignment so that the parties are a bit more representative of reality....
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My meter stops for both of them at "100% Unfit." No sense in flapping gums about 'em after that. But you keep trying to pretend Trump is fit for the office.... which is your mistake and problem.
In this election, the scale is negative. Hillary is -90% unfit, and Trump is only -10 -20% unfit. You keep trying to ignore the fact that one candidate is an @$$hole and the other is a Monster.
Why should I keep reminding you of something we agree on; i.e., that Clinton is horrible? Sorry to have hurt your feelings by not saying what you want me to say.
I want you to be objective, not stuck on this "both are equally bad." That is demonstrably not true.
Um.... you know that both of those are bad choices ending in death, right?
There is that false equivalence again. This predicting the future stuff is a contest of probabilities. Given the known facts, the probabilities of various disasters are quite great with Hillary. (She actually has a large track record of disaster.)
The probabilities of a disaster also exist with Trump, but they appear to me to be much smaller than those that exist with Hillary. For one thing, he is not going to immediately launch us into a confrontation with Russia over Syria.
Not going to war with a superpower dramatically increases the odds of a non-disaster.
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My guts told me not to vote for anyone on the list.
And *that* is the situation we now find ourselves in. All choices are bad, but not equally so.
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Well, it is a bizarre election, after all.
He's far from alone in hoping that neither Trump nor Clinton wins. If you nevertheless figure you have to vote for one or the other of them, I guess that's what you're left with.
The only possible (remotely possible) upside to this mess is that it may force a political realignment so that the parties are a bit more representative of reality....
Well I'd prefer a third party candidate too, even Johnson, even though the guy is a mess.
Worse comes to worse I'd just leave the Presidential option blank. I'd never vote for someone I hoped would lose.
So weird, lol.
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I see that no one here seems to be making any predictions on this "Election prediction thread", which is somewhat understandable given the current uncertainty, turmoil and closeness of the race.
I'm not prepared to make any final predictions either, but I'll offer this: the race is a hell of a lot closer than you probably think it is. It may not be decided until one or two days before November 8th, or even on that day as large numbers of voters who don't care for either of the main candidates find themselves alone in the voting booth with only their consciences to guide them and the necessity of finally making a choice.
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I see that no one here seems to be making any predictions on this "Election prediction thread", which is somewhat understandable given the current uncertainty, turmoil and closeness of the race.
I'm not prepared to make any final predictions either, but I'll offer this: the race is a hell of a lot closer than you probably think it is. It may not be decided until one or two days before November 8th, or even on that day as large numbers of voters who don't care for either of the main candidates find themselves alone in the voting booth with only their consciences to guide them and the necessity of finally making a choice.
That I can get on board with sir. I also believe it's very close and will be an all nite nailbiter, and hopefully not drag on like 2000.
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I see that no one here seems to be making any predictions on this "Election prediction thread", which is somewhat understandable given the current uncertainty, turmoil and closeness of the race.
I'm not prepared to make any final predictions either, but I'll offer this: the race is a hell of a lot closer than you probably think it is. It may not be decided until one or two days before November 8th, or even on that day as large numbers of voters who don't care for either of the main candidates find themselves alone in the voting booth with only their consciences to guide them and the necessity of finally making a choice.
My gut has two feeling now:
1) Fear of Trump
2) Anger at liberals and the media.
Whichever wins is how I'll vote. LOL
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None of those people are running for POTUS in 2016. Trump is the second worst candidate on the ballot, period.
Well that is certainly a more defendable statement, but i'm not so sure Jill Stein would be better than Trump. You might plausibly contend that Gary Johnson is better than Trump, but I expect him to nominate Liberal judges because that is what the system is going to recommend to him.
At least we have a list of judges whom Trump said he would nominate, and we have assurances (for whatever that is worth) that he will nominate conservative judges.
And he is certainly the worst GOP candidate in my 52 years.
I am of divided mind about this. I think George HW Bush was a terrible President, but as a candidate he didn't look that bad at the time. He just turned out that way.
But yeah, other than George HW Bush, I would have to say Trump is the worst we've ever had.
"How bad Trump is" doesn't require a comparison to Hillary, only a measurement to one's own principles.
It requires a recognition that those things which matter most to those principles will be less badly served under a Trump administration than they will be under a Clinton administration.
As I've said many times previously, the survival of myself and my family is what I regard as the most important principle.
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My gut has two feeling now:
1) Fear of Trump
2) Anger at liberals and the media.
Whichever wins is how I'll vote. LOL
I was going to vote early, but think I'll wait till election day. The only way I'll vote for Trump and not third party now is if something happens to make option #2 win out.
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Comparing Hillary to Hitler is absurd - but she sure as hell begs comparison with the secretive, paranoid, obsessed-with-enemies Richard Nixon.
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In this election, the scale is negative. Hillary is -90% unfit, and Trump is only -10 -20% unfit. You keep trying to ignore the fact that one candidate is an @$$hole and the other is a Monster.
They're both @ssholes and they're both monsters. And neither of them is remotely fit for the office. Pretend as you will, but Trump is utterly unfit and has repeatedly shown himself to be unfit.
I want you to be objective, not stuck on this "both are equally bad." That is demonstrably not true.
Nah. You just want me to tell you you're right. Unfortunately, you're wrong.
There is that false equivalence again. This predicting the future stuff is a contest of probabilities. Given the known facts, the probabilities of various disasters are quite great with Hillary. (She actually has a large track record of disaster.)
Pfft. I'm on record saying Hillary will be a disaster. The problem is that you keep pretending that Trump is a complete unknown (which makes you pretty gullible).
The probabilities of a disaster also exist with Trump, but they appear to me to be much smaller than those that exist with Hillary. For one thing, he is not going to immediately launch us into a confrontation with Russia over Syria.
The hell he wouldn't. Putin would start pushing Trump's buttons on Day 1, as would the Chinese, the Iranians, and whomever else, just waiting for the tweet-storm that is sure to follow. You can't pretend that Trump would respond to crisis as a responsible adult: he has already demonstrated too clearly and too often that he'll respond with idiocy and bluster -- and that would lead to political chaos in DC, which is just what Putin most wants.
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My gut has two feeling now:
1) Fear of Trump
2) Anger at liberals and the media.
Whichever wins is how I'll vote. LOL
If you have no fear of Hillary, you simply do not grasp the nature of the monster with which you are dealing.
She fired those people, then accused them of a crime so as to throw attention off of herself. She pressured the FBI into prosecuting them.
That is her world view writ on a small scale. She still has that world view and if she gets a chance to apply it on a large scale, she will.
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I see that no one here seems to be making any predictions on this "Election prediction thread", which is somewhat understandable given the current uncertainty, turmoil and closeness of the race.
I'm not prepared to make any final predictions either, but I'll offer this: the race is a hell of a lot closer than you probably think it is. It may not be decided until one or two days before November 8th, or even on that day as large numbers of voters who don't care for either of the main candidates find themselves alone in the voting booth with only their consciences to guide them and the necessity of finally making a choice.
The fact that the election appears to be close is the biggest problem I have in voting. If one candidate or the other were running away with the election, I could vote without worrying about the outcome. For the first time in my life, I'm actually undecided even as the election comes down to the wire. Not in the choice between Hillary and Trump. Hillary loses absolutely. But do I vote for the seriously flawed candidate Trump, or vote to send a message of what a poor candidate he is.
Fortunately I live in Texas, so if my one vote ends up being the deciding factor here, then Trump is already on his way to a +40 state electoral beatdown.
But I'm still trying to find positives about Trump as a human being that would give me a reason to support him. But his personality/behavior make me cringe. It's simply not good enough to be "better than Hillary."
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And *that* is the situation we now find ourselves in. All choices are bad, but not equally so.
Yeah, but it's like trying to figure out which would feel worse driven through your penis, a nail or a carton staple.
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Comparing Hillary to Hitler is absurd -
Only if you are ignorant of both Hitler and Hillary. Their vengeance seeking mindset, their disregard for any authority but themselves, their willingness to use force to accomplish their goals and their psychosis on myriad subjects are uncannily similar. Hillary is a natural despot. She will be a Red Queen if she gets her hands on power. (Did you miss the part about getting that guy arrested for a video?)
but she sure as hell begs comparison with the secretive, paranoid, obsessed-with-enemies Richard Nixon.
Richard Nixon got a bum rap. I bet you do not know the history of how and why he became so paranoid.
They really were out to get him.
No, Hillary is in a different class from Richard Nixon. Criminal mindset is inherent in her nature, and she has long engaged in unethical and criminal behavior.
Hillary Clinton’s 38-Year History of Sleaze and Corruption (https://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2016/10/28/hillary-clintons-38-year-history-of-sleaze-and-corruption/)
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My gut has two feelings now:
1) Fear of Trump
2) Anger at liberals and the media.
Whichever wins is how I'll vote. LOL
At this moment, I honestly have no idea what I am going to do when I close the curtain, other than not voting for Hillary.
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At this moment, I honestly have no idea what I am going to do when I close the curtain, other than not voting for Hillary.
My prediction is that Hillary Clinton wins in a landslide, with early voters putting her over the top. More recent revelations make this a very a low-turnout election.
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I predict, with 100% certainty, that a New York liberal will win.
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They're both @ssholes and they're both monsters.
No. Hillary is a monster, Trump is an @$$hole. In order to claim Trump runs in the same league of Monstrosity as does Hillary, you will have to provide some examples of where he has committed the same sorts of illegal behavior and abuse of government power as she has.
And neither of them is remotely fit for the office. Pretend as you will, but Trump is utterly unfit and has repeatedly shown himself to be unfit.
The election of Barack Obama convinced me there is no longer a "fitness" requirement for the office of the Presidency. And while we are talking about "Fitness", does no one remember Lyndon Johnson? I can't think of a boorish characteristic that Trump has, which was not surpassed by LBJ.
The choice we are left with is which of the two candidates is the least unfit. Like I said, we have to use a negative scale on this one.
Nah. You just want me to tell you you're right. Unfortunately, you're wrong.
You don't have to tell me i'm right. I know i'm right because the facts demonstrate that I am right. I do not measure "right" and "wrong" on the basis of what people say, (argumentum ad populum) I use objective and rational means to score "right" and "wrong".
Pfft. I'm on record saying Hillary will be a disaster. The problem is that you keep pretending that Trump is a complete unknown (which makes you pretty gullible).
I pretend no such thing. I have a lot of predictions regarding how Trump will handle things, and I very much expect him to govern as a moderate Democrat. He will grow the state, but he will grow the state at a lesser rate than Hillary, and he may actually get the state to do some of what a state is *SUPPOSED* to do, such as to establish and guard borders, build up defense, and prosecute crime.
The hell he wouldn't. Putin would start pushing Trump's buttons on Day 1, as would the Chinese, the Iranians, and whomever else, just waiting for the tweet-storm that is sure to follow.
And on what do you base this claim? Do you remember when Reagan fired the air traffic controllers? Russia took serious notices of that incident, proclaiming that "Reagan is a man who means what he says." They accused him of being a "reckless cowboy" but they did not doubt he would do what he claimed he would do, and so they did not F*** with him.
I think Trump will be given some of that same consideration by the Russians and by the Chinese as well. After this bruising election, the fact that the man is determined and still fighting will probably convince them not to screw with him lightly.
Hillary, on the other hand, commands absolutely zero respect from anyone outside of the New York Liberal Democrat Media's control. Foreign leaders will have no compunction about humiliating her, and of course she will launch herself into a psychotic rage meltdown and do something horrible. (She already has a Napoleon complex.)
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Fortunately I live in Texas, so if my one vote ends up being the deciding factor here, then Trump is already on his way to a +40 state electoral beatdown.
@Just_Victor
I live in Texas too, Trump will carry Texas
But I'm still trying to find positives about Trump as a human being that would give me a reason to support him. But his personality/behavior make me cringe. It's simply not good enough to be "better than Hillary."
Here is one and there are plenty more like this about Trump
(http://truthfeed.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/trump-kindness-01-800x416.jpg)
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I'm going to double down on my earlier prediction that things are going to get crazier and even more unpredictable.
I still think Trump may win. (and you know how I feel about him but I have to be honest about what I'm seeing). From the Conservative side, people have either bought into his narrative (hope and change part 2) or they are so disgusted by Hillary, they'll accept any turd sandwich. From the a-political side, I'm seeing a lot of people who aren't engaged at all in politics who are voting for him because he is a recognizable pop culture figure.
I believe though we are going to see voting patters we haven't seen before with bigger demographic shifts than usual (fewer traditional Conservative demos voting Republican, more non-Conservative demos voting for Trump). I think the Libertarians may do well enough to secure their place on all 50 state's ballots going forward and they'll become more and more a viable alternative.
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You don't have to tell me i'm right. I know i'm right because the facts demonstrate that I am right. I do not measure "right" and "wrong" on the basis of what people say, (argumentum ad populum) I use objective and rational means to score "right" and "wrong".
(rolls eyes)
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I'm going to double down on my earlier prediction that things are going to get crazier and even more unpredictable.
I still think Trump may win. (and you know how I feel about him but I have to be honest about what I'm seeing). From the Conservative side, people have either bought into his narrative (hope and change part 2) or they are so disgusted by Hillary, they'll accept any turd sandwich. From the a-political side, I'm seeing a lot of people who aren't engaged at all in politics who are voting for him because he is a recognizable pop culture figure.
I believe though we are going to see voting patters we haven't seen before with bigger demographic shifts than usual (fewer traditional Conservative demos voting Republican, more non-Conservative demos voting for Trump). I think the Libertarians may do well enough to secure their place on all 50 state's ballots going forward and they'll become more and more a viable alternative.
Potheads unite!
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Trump is going to squeak by and the dems will contest it. If the latest email cscandal did not pop up Hillary would have won in a landslide.
The absentee/mail in ballots are going to hurt Trump. Most are for Hillary
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The fact that the election appears to be close is the biggest problem I have in voting. If one candidate or the other were running away with the election, I could vote without worrying about the outcome. For the first time in my life, I'm actually undecided even as the election comes down to the wire. Not in the choice between Hillary and Trump. Hillary loses absolutely. But do I vote for the seriously flawed candidate Trump, or vote to send a message of what a poor candidate he is.
Fortunately I live in Texas, so if my one vote ends up being the deciding factor here, then Trump is already on his way to a +40 state electoral beatdown.
But I'm still trying to find positives about Trump as a human being that would give me a reason to support him. But his personality/behavior make me cringe. It's simply not good enough to be "better than Hillary."
If you live in Texas, vote for Gary Johnson. Texas is going to go Trump, so at least you can feel like you are not responsible for what happens.
I also live in a conservative state that is going to go heavily for Trump. I don't have to vote for him, he's going to win my state handily, but I suppose I will have to vote for him because it bothers my Autism spectrum disorder to leave a ballot slot unmarked. (I actually think it disqualifies the entire ballot in my state) Now that I think about it, i'll probably just vote straight party Republican. I believe that is an option.
I can vote the party and I don't have to put a checkbox by his name. That makes me feel better.
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@Just_Victor
I live in Texas too, Trump will carry Texas
Here is one and there are plenty more like this about Trump
(http://truthfeed.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/trump-kindness-01-800x416.jpg)
Any dimwit can create a meme and it requires no basis in fact. I've not heard anything about this. Do you have a link to a reputable source for the story, the man's name, and what Trump actually did? I would genuinely love to learn more.
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I predict, with 100% certainty, that a New York liberal will win.
Hillary is from Chicago. She is only a "carpet bagger" New Yorker.
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If you live in Texas, vote for Gary Johnson. Texas is going to go Trump, so at least you can feel like you are not responsible for what happens.
I also live in a conservative state that is going to go heavily for Trump. I don't have to vote for him, he's going to win my state handily, but I suppose I will have to vote for him because it bothers my Autism spectrum disorder to leave a ballot slot unmarked. (I actually think it disqualifies the entire ballot in my state) Now that I think about it, i'll probably just vote straight party Republican. I believe that is an option.
I can vote the party and I don't have to put a checkbox by his name. That makes me feel better.
Unfortunately Johnson is just another liberal as well. Castle or McMullen will get my vote is I find myself unable cast my ballot for Trump.
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(rolls eyes)
Being "full of myself" is part of my schtick.
:)
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Unfortunately Johnson is just another liberal as well. Castle or McMullen will get my vote is I find myself unable cast my ballot for Trump.
Do that then, and don't worry about it.
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If you live in Texas, vote for Gary Johnson. Texas is going to go Trump, so at least you can feel like you are not responsible for what happens.
I am going to vote for Trump because I want Trump to have a mandate to implement the policies he has articulated in his campaign. If you want the borders secured, most of the illegals sent home, conservative Judges appointed to the courts, an end to all these senseless wars, better trade deals for the USA, etc then you would do the same.
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Any dimwit can create a meme and it requires no basis in fact. I've not heard anything about this. Do you have a link to a reputable source for the story, the man's name, and what Trump actually did? I would genuinely love to learn more.
http://truthfeed.com/hostage-breaks-silence-and-tells-the-world-how-trump-took-care-of-his-family-while-he-was-imprisoned-by-iran/33032/
There are many more stories about Trumps kindness and generosity.
Here are 5 acts of kindness that reveal there's more to the billionaire than just his big celebrity persona. (http://ijr.com/2015/11/461306-these-5-acts-of-kindness-reveal-theres-more-to-donald-trump-than-just-his-celebrity-persona/)
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Potheads unite!
Exactly. The Libertarian Party needs to come up with some good candidates and define what they stand for before they can become a real player.
Gary Johnson seems like a nice enough guy, but for Pres? No way...well, unless you have two other abysmal candidates.
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Exactly. The Libertarian Party needs to come up with some good candidates and define what they stand for before they can become a real player.
Gary Johnson seems like a nice enough guy, but for Pres? No way...well, unless you have two other abysmal candidates.
The Libertarian Party is for open borders, on that basis alone the Libertarian Party is unacceptable.
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Exactly. The Libertarian Party needs to come up with some good candidates and define what they stand for before they can become a real player.
Gary Johnson seems like a nice enough guy, but for Pres? No way...well, unless you have two other abysmal candidates.
Johnson's getting my vote, in order to lodge a protest vote that will show up on the tally sheet.
The Libertarian Party, though ... ugh.
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I'm going to revise my earlier predictions, as I now think Trump will win in a still-close race. It feels like the undecided voters are breaking for Trump, and when that happens that candidate usually wins (but not always...)
It also seems, based on early voter turnouts, that this will not be a record low turnout year. I don't think it will be record high either, but it will be a pretty good turnout, percentage-wise.
I still think third party candidates will get more votes than ever before. McMullin may even take Utah, who knows? :shrug:
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@Just_Victor
Here is one and there are plenty more like this about Trump
Trump the child molester
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The Libertarian Party is for open borders, on that basis alone the Libertarian Party is unacceptable.
Trump is for touchback amnesty and importing workers (which he does a lot) and is completely unacceptable as a human being,
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http://truthfeed.com/hostage-breaks-silence-and-tells-the-world-how-trump-took-care-of-his-family-while-he-was-imprisoned-by-iran/33032/
There are many more stories about Trumps kindness and generosity.
Here are 5 acts of kindness that reveal there's more to the billionaire than just his big celebrity persona. (http://ijr.com/2015/11/461306-these-5-acts-of-kindness-reveal-theres-more-to-donald-trump-than-just-his-celebrity-persona/)
You're spamming.
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The Libertarian Party is for open borders, on that basis alone the Libertarian Party is unacceptable.
The Libertarian party is for easy legal immigration, not open borders.
BUT, they are also for completely eliminating the programs that attract the criminal and moocher elements- eliminating subsidized healthcare, welfare, housing payments, etc for illegals.
They would shut down the magnet that is causing the illegal problem, thus turning us back to a mutually beneficial legal immigration system.
The only of the three parties that actually would reduce government in that regard. Democrats solution is a welfare state; Republicans solution is a police state.
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The Libertarian party is for easy legal immigration, not open borders.
BUT, they are also for completely eliminating the programs that attract the criminal and moocher elements- eliminating subsidized healthcare, welfare, housing payments, etc for illegals.
They would shut down the magnet that is causing the illegal problem, thus turning us back to a mutually beneficial legal immigration system.
The only of the three parties that actually would reduce government in that regard. Democrats solution is a welfare state; Republicans solution is a police state.
Wellllll, maybe. My main problem with the Libertarian Party is the people who call themselves Libertarians .... :laugh:
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And you're lying.
Trump is the least generous billionaire in history. fact.
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The Libertarian party is for easy legal immigration, not open borders.
BUT, they are also for completely eliminating the programs that attract the criminal and moocher elements- eliminating subsidized healthcare, welfare, housing payments, etc for illegals.
That is what they say, but in practice you get potheads and liberal policies.
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That is what they say, but in practice you get potheads and liberal policies.
that's about as false of a stereotype as showing Republicans as the Monopoly Man or Democrats as a witch burning babies.
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The Libertarian party is for easy legal immigration, not open borders.
BUT, they are also for completely eliminating the programs that attract the criminal and moocher elements- eliminating subsidized healthcare, welfare, housing payments, etc for illegals.
They would shut down the magnet that is causing the illegal problem, thus turning us back to a mutually beneficial legal immigration system.
The only of the three parties that actually would reduce government in that regard. Democrats solution is a welfare state; Republicans solution is a police state.
Agreed. If you're for limited, Constitutionally-constrained government, consider a vote for Johnson/Weld.
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Only if you are ignorant of both Hitler and Hillary. Their vengeance seeking mindset, their disregard for any authority but themselves, their willingness to use force to accomplish their goals and their psychosis on myriad subjects are uncannily similar. Hillary is a natural despot. She will be a Red Queen if she gets her hands on power. (Did you miss the part about getting that guy arrested for a video?)
Richard Nixon got a bum rap. I bet you do not know the history of how and why he became so paranoid.
They really were out to get him.
No, Hillary is in a different class from Richard Nixon. Criminal mindset is inherent in her nature, and she has long engaged in unethical and criminal behavior.
Hillary Clinton’s 38-Year History of Sleaze and Corruption (https://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2016/10/28/hillary-clintons-38-year-history-of-sleaze-and-corruption/)
Both Clinton and Trump are unacceptable. You choose between 'em. Why should I?
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This thread seems to have turned into a pitched battle between Trump supporters and "Never-Trumpers". I am quite confident that neither side is going to convince the other to change views. Any chance we might stick to the original subject: election predictions?
While we're wishing, I want a pony.
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In my opinion, Donald Trump is the best candidate to come along in decades.
That's all anyone needs to know about you.
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While we're wishing, I want a pony.
Here you go: 11513
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The Libertarian party is for easy legal immigration, not open borders.
BUT, they are also for completely eliminating the programs that attract the criminal and moocher elements- eliminating subsidized healthcare, welfare, housing payments, etc for illegals.
They would shut down the magnet that is causing the illegal problem, thus turning us back to a mutually beneficial legal immigration system.
The only of the three parties that actually would reduce government in that regard. Democrats solution is a welfare state; Republicans solution is a police state.
Johnson is basically for massive immigration. He doesn't want to erect a better wall, yet he states that he wants to keep the criminals and terrorists out. Unless we change our immigration system and we know who's coming across our borders and build a massive wall, how can he logically expect to keep out criminals and terrorists??
I don't see Johnson as that much better, but so far he's not a criminal nor does he seem mentally unstable. The silver lining is that he may indeed keep Trump or Clinton from obtaining the majority.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Gary_Johnson.htm
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And you're lying.
What is it you think I'm lying about? @jpsb
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In my opinion, Donald Trump is the best candidate to come along in decades. Far superior to his competitors in the Republican primary and galactically better than Hillary.
He'll use his strong work ethic and adapt his business experience, i.e. managing each new construction challenge to bring the project in on time and under budget – and quickly begin tackling the problems of a corrupted status quo and help steer this ship of state toward America-centric policies.
America is lucky that finally Donald Trump stepped up to the plate.
8bs8 We're not a business A/C; he has to go through the House to get funding for any project and secondly as president he cannot create bills for any projects. He's not going to be managing the purse strings. Oh, you forgot to mention he only surrounds himself with the best people. Trust me. Believe me. He's a fraud. :silly:
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In my opinion, Donald Trump is the best candidate to come along in decades......
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/07/laughter.gif)
If he was the best candidate to come along in decades, or heck, even reasonable, his side would not need to resort to false dichotomy, manipulation, and threats to get votes.
The fact of the matter is that most don't even find him reasonable. For many of us, he has always been the definition of corrupt cronyism and one of the biggest problems in Washington. For many, there is very little different in how Trump operated and how Soros operated other than scale. Add to that, many of us realize he is nothing more than a BS artist, something he pretty much admits to himself in his own writings. He is the political version of a WWE wrassler throwing out catch phrases to pump up his audience- but also just as fake as one.
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(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/07/laughter.gif)
He is the political version of a WWE wrassler throwing out catch phrases to pump up his audience- but also just as fake as one.
888high58888
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So I've been watching the fallout from this email stuff and I thinking Hillary may go down. It may be close, but I suspect we will be looking at a Trump Pence victory. Obama may be rushing to charge Hillary so he can pardon her before he leaves office. Possibly he's working with The deal master to throw Hillary under the bus in return for a pardon himself from Trump's administration.
Hillary is so lackluster I don't see the Republicans losing the house or senate. Even if she wins that Mao suite doesn't have coattails, but I could be wrong. There's my WAG estimation.
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Prediction (extremely unlikely)
Election is a stalemate, thrown to Congress. House is unable to pick, the Senate wheels and deals and chooses Mindy Finn as VP... since the House failed to reach accord, she becomes the new President-elect.
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So I've been watching the fallout from this email stuff and I thinking Hillary may go down. It may be close, but I suspect we will be looking at a Trump Pence victory. Obama may be rushing to charge Hillary so he can pardon her before he leaves office. Possibly he's working with The deal master to throw Hillary under the bus in return for a pardon himself from Trump's administration.
Hillary is so lackluster I don't see the Republicans losing the house or senate. Even if she wins that Mao suite doesn't have coattails, but I could be wrong. There's my WAG estimation.
Hillary in all her years as a lawyer and as a politician has never been held responsible or accountable. I don't expect her to go down. The FBI has to wade through all the new email, the election is now a week away and early voting has been underway for several weeks in many areas. Not going to happen. At best these new allegations of e-mails may keep her from winning the presidency, but she will get away with anything that may be linked to her. She will continue to lie and deny as she always has and if not elected she will continue to get rich off of the Clinton Foundation and all her ties. Some of the corruption will have been stopped, but all their cronies and Chelsea will continue the legacy of the Clinton machine.
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Prediction (extremely unlikely)
Election is a stalemate, thrown to Congress. House is unable to pick, the Senate wheels and deals and chooses Mindy Finn as VP... since the House failed to reach accord, she becomes the new President-elect.
:silly: :silly: That's not going to sit well with Hillary one bit. She's the entitled one.
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that's about as false of a stereotype as showing Republicans as the Monopoly Man or Democrats as a witch burning babies.
That is actual practice. The liberaltarians have allied with Democrats to get pot legalised. Even if it means surrendering to bigger government statism. It's pretty much all they truly care about.
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Prediction (extremely unlikely)
Election is a stalemate, thrown to Congress. House is unable to pick, the Senate wheels and deals and chooses Mindy Finn as VP... since the House failed to reach accord, she becomes the new President-elect.
Bonus: she's pretty hot:
(http://images.politico.com/global/arena/110427_finn_376.jpg)
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Prediction (extremely unlikely)
Election is a stalemate, thrown to Congress. House is unable to pick, the Senate wheels and deals and chooses Mindy Finn as VP... since the House failed to reach accord, she becomes the new President-elect.
I like that result!
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So I've been watching the fallout from this email stuff and I thinking Hillary may go down. It may be close, but I suspect we will be looking at a Trump Pence victory. Obama may be rushing to charge Hillary so he can pardon her before he leaves office. Possibly he's working with The deal master to throw Hillary under the bus in return for a pardon himself from Trump's administration.
Hillary is so lackluster I don't see the Republicans losing the house or senate. Even if she wins that Mao suite doesn't have coattails, but I could be wrong. There's my WAG estimation.
Maybe. I sure hope she goes down in flames.
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I like Castle better than McMullin. Better and better all the time. But it does not matter. Vote for either. Or write in someone like I am doing (Roy Moore). Even Johnson. At this point all the votes that are not Trump or Hillary will make the same statement: DON"T EVER DO THIS TO US AGAIN.
How cute. You think you can teach the beast a lesson! :)
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Trump is a hideous choice. He is entirely unacceptable. ANYONE else would easily beat Hillary.
That is utter nonsense and bullsh*t. Anyone else would be doing far worse right now. You simply are looking at this thing within the framework of how you think. You don't seem to be able to examine this from the framework of how the average American voter thinks.
Jeb would have been an utter disaster. Same with Rubio. Both are amnesty shills, and that would have turned off a huge segment of the voter base.
Cruz is the only one that could have possibly won, but the media would have savaged him and he would not have been able to fight back effectively.
Remember "New York Values" and all the media tsk tsking about how uppity and holier than thou he was acting? Multiply that times 100, and that is what you would have seen had Cruz gotten the nomination.
They would have accused him of being anti Woman, anti-gay, anti-minority and intent upon enacting Christianity as the official state religion of the United States. They would have played up the rumors of adultery, and they would have portrayed him as a hypocrite because everyone knows (wink wink) that those adultery rumors are "true."
You have no idea what sorts of vicious attacks they would have unleashed on Ted Cruz. They would have done exactly what they did in the primary, (which they kept him from winning) but on a much larger scale and for a longer period of time.
The media is a weapon, and candidates are no longer able to win on issues because the media decides what we will talk about. (Like "grab the P*ssy" instead of potential war with Russia.)
The media runs elections now, and it is virtually impossible to win when they are against you.
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Trump the child molester
Okay, from what depths of loony toon insanity did you dredge up this assertion?
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The Libertarian party is for easy legal immigration, not open borders.
BUT, they are also for completely eliminating the programs that attract the criminal and moocher elements- eliminating subsidized healthcare, welfare, housing payments, etc for illegals.
It is IMPOSSIBLE to repeal any of that. If someone thinks otherwise, feel free to explain how you are going to get voters who collect welfare from voting against congressmen that support this?
Once you give out the freebies, you can't get them back, so right off the bat the Libertarians are kooks for proposing that these programs be eliminated. Sure, Legal immigration is fine if you eliminate these programs, but it is NOT REALISTIC to believe any of these programs can be eliminated.
Hell, we couldn't even get rid of NPR, one of the least expensive and most pointless programs ran by the US Government, and if we couldn't get rid of NPR, how on earth do you think it would be possible to get rid of welfare?
They would shut down the magnet that is causing the illegal problem, thus turning us back to a mutually beneficial legal immigration system.
I am reminded of the discussion between Legolas and Gandalf.
"If Gandalf would go before us with a bright flame, he might melt a path for you," said Legolas. The storm had troubled him little, and he alone of the Company remained still light of heart.
"If Elves could fly over mountains, they might fetch the Sun to save us," answered Gandalf. `But I must have something to work on. I cannot burn snow.'
Wishing for "ifs" that cannot happen is childish and pointless.
The only of the three parties that actually would reduce government in that regard. Democrats solution is a welfare state; Republicans solution is a police state.
Libertarians are best described like this:
(http://i.imgur.com/0C5cR6H.gif)
They don't live in the real world.
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that's about as false of a stereotype as showing Republicans as the Monopoly Man or Democrats as a witch burning babies.
Are you kidding? Virtually every discussion with a "Libertarian" starts off with cannabis. If it doesn't start that way, it gets there eventually.
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Both Clinton and Trump are unacceptable. You choose between 'em. Why should I?
Because you *WILL GET* one of them. One of them is going to be running things, and you are insane and stupid if you let it be that psychotic hate witch.
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If he was the best candidate to come along in decades, or heck, even reasonable, his side would not need to resort to false dichotomy, manipulation, and threats to get votes.
The fact of the matter is that most don't even find him reasonable. For many of us, he has always been the definition of corrupt cronyism and one of the biggest problems in Washington.
OMG! Hillary is a hundred times worse!!!!!!!! How can you possibly mention the word "corruption" without noting how much more corrupt Hillary is?
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Trump is warming up for his exit:
(http://i.makeagif.com/media/10-13-2015/9QrOnQ.gif)
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OMG! Hillary is a hundred times worse!!!!!!!! How can you possibly mention the word "corruption" without noting how much more corrupt Hillary is?
Trump is Hillary's tool- two sides of the same coin. He empowered her rise, and from what we've seen on Wikileaks, she empowered his rise to the top of the pack. They are both vile and corrupt in different ways. For every politician being bought, there was someone doing the buying. For every PAC writing the rules in government, there is someone starting the PAC.
I won't support Hillary nor her tool.
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Trump is Hillary's tool- two sides of the same coin. He empowered her rise, and from what we've seen on Wikileaks, she empowered his rise to the top of the pack. They are both vile and corrupt in different ways. For every politician being bought, there was someone doing the buying. For every PAC writing the rules in government, there is someone starting the PAC.
I won't support Hillary nor her tool.
I read what you write and I do not recognize reality in it. It does not resemble what I see.
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Prediction (extremely unlikely)
Election is a stalemate, thrown to Congress. House is unable to pick, the Senate wheels and deals and chooses Mindy Finn as VP... since the House failed to reach accord, she becomes the new President-elect.
That is extremely unlikely, since the Senate chooses from the top two VP candidates.
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Because you *WILL GET* one of them. One of them is going to be running things, and you are insane and stupid if you let it be that psychotic hate witch.
My brother, upon finding out that I had decided to cast an early vote, asked me to tell him which POTUS candidate I had voted for, I wouldn't tell him, and I won't tell anyone.
Then he asked me for some words of wisdom to help him make a selection between the two major Party candidates, and after giving this much thought, I've decided to comply with his request.
So brother, imagine that one of those two candidates is a 6" drywall nail, and the other an upholstery nail of similar length and girth.
Now, try and decide which of those two would hurt less being driven through your penis by a hammer, and vote for that one.
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I read what you write and I do not recognize reality in it. It does not resemble what I see.
Oh really, after all this time? I'll repeat this again.
Trump is the only candidate that donated to Hillary's Senate run.
Trump is the only candidate to donate hundreds of thousands of dollars to the Clinton foundation.
Trump is the only candidate who said Hillary was a great Secretary of State.
Trump is the only candidate who said Hillary would be a great President.
Trump is the only candidate who said Bill Clinton was his favorite President (I don't even think Hillary has said this)
Trump is the only candidate, other than Hillary, who has taken hundreds of thousands of dollars from George Soros.
Trump is the only candidate, other than Hillary, who has taken hundreds of thousands of dollars from the Saudi Royal Family.
Trump is the only candidate, other than Jill Stein, who has held the same positions as Hillary on most issues.
Trump is the only candidate who consulted with Bill Clinton before getting in the race.
Trump is the only candidate who was mentioned in the DNC leaks as the Democrats preferred candidate and boosted by them.
Trump is the only candidate who was mentioned in the Podesta leaks as being the 'necessary' candidate the Dems needed to take down the Republicans and sweep their races...
And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
If you haven't seen this, you haven't been looking.
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Oh really, after all this time? I'll repeat this again.
Trump is the only candidate that donated to Hillary's Senate run.
Trump is the only candidate to donate hundreds of thousands of dollars to the Clinton foundation.
Trump is the only candidate who said Hillary was a great Secretary of State.
Trump is the only candidate who said Hillary would be a great President.
Trump is the only candidate, other than Hillary, who has taken hundreds of thousands of dollars from George Soros.
Trump is the only candidate, other than Hillary, who has taken hundreds of thousands of dollars from the Saudi Royal Family.
Trump is the only candidate, other than Jill Stein, who has held the same positions as Hillary on most issues.
Trump is the only candidate who consulted with Bill Clinton before getting in the race.
Trump is the only candidate who was mentioned in the DNC leaks as the Democrats preferred candidate and boosted by them.
Trump is the only candidate who was mentioned in the Podesta leaks as being the 'necessary' candidate the Dems needed to take down the Republicans and sweep their races...
And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
If you haven't seen this, you haven't been looking.
There is a form of argument in which you throw up so many claims that it becomes implausible to refute them. Instead of one argument, you have a dozen, all of which must be challenged for their accuracy or significance.
Let's take just one of your assertions.
"Trump is the only candidate that donated to Hillary's Senate run."
So? This did not singlehandedly elect Hillary. This is the sort of thing that well connected New Yorkers do, and of course Trump did what he believed was in the best interests of his business operations.
Is this significant in the larger scheme of things? No. In fact, i'll cite the Gipper himself.
http://youtu.be/NIcDdWgBELY
All of what you cited is trivial compared to what is wrong with Hillary.
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I read what you write and I do not recognize reality in it. It does not resemble what I see.
You are experiencing what is known as "cognitive dissonance."
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There is a form of argument in which you throw up so many claims that it becomes implausible to refute them. Instead of one argument, you have a dozen, all of which must be challenged for their accuracy or significance.
Is this significant in the larger scheme of things? No.
All of what you cited is trivial compared to what is wrong with Hillary.
This is called the pooh-pooh, also known as the "stick your fingers in your ears and scream."
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You are experiencing what is known as "cognitive dissonance."
I am witnessing what is known as "cognitive dissonance."
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This is called the pooh-pooh, also known as the "stick your fingers in your ears and scream."
I answered one of his points. The other points are either wrong, or trivial. If you disagree, we can go through them one by one, but dismissing a series of assertions is not refusing to hear them, it's hearing them and refusing to grant them any level of importance.
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You are experiencing what is known as "cognitive dissonance."
I disagree. I believe that it's moral relativism, pure and simple. Just as Democrats could dismiss Bill Clinton's poor behavior towards women because he served the "greater good" (in their eyes) of keeping abortion legal, people who support Donald Trump are willing to dismiss his poor behavior, because he serves the "greater good" (again, in their eyes) of keeping the evil, evil Hillary out of office. They view moral absolutists who refuse to vote for Trump as either stupid, crazy, or just as evil as Hillary. Which (in their minds) will be their excuse for the reprisals they'll try to enact should Trump lose (or win...) :shrug:
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I disagree. I believe that it's moral relativism, pure and simple. Just as Democrats could dismiss Bill Clinton's poor behavior towards women because he served the "greater good" (in their eyes) of keeping abortion legal, people who support Donald Trump are willing to dismiss his poor behavior, because he serves the "greater good" (again, in their eyes) of keeping the evil, evil Hillary out of office. They view moral absolutists who refuse to vote for Trump as either stupid, crazy, or just as evil as Hillary. Which (in their minds) will be their excuse for the reprisals they'll try to enact should Trump lose (or win...) :shrug:
Stop with your "moral relativism" crap. You people have a "triage" problem. You can't tell the greater good from the lesser good.
Here, let Jesus give you a lesson in the difference.
9And when he was departed thence, he went into their synagogue: 10And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him. 11And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out? 12How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days. 13Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other. 14Then the Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him.
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9And when he was departed thence, he went into their synagogue: 10And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him. 11And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out? 12How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days. 13Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other. 14Then the Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him.
Please tell me you didn't just compare Trump to Jesus.
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dismissing a series of assertions is not refusing to hear them
Yes it is.
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Stop with your "moral relativism" crap. You people have a "triage" problem. You can't tell the greater good from the lesser good.
Oooooh, did I hit a nerve?
Good.
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You people have a "triage" problem. You can't tell the greater good from the lesser good.
No. You have an ignorance problem. You automatically assume that the Republican is the lesser evil and ignore or reject any evidence to the contrary, just because he's a Republican.
Abaraxas laid it out for you. You denied all of it.
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Please tell me you didn't just compare Trump to Jesus.
I quoted Jesus deliberately violating a lesser moral issue when a larger moral issue was at stake. In context, my intention was to show we voters face a similar challenge in this election.
I thought it was obvious that we voters should behave like Jesus, and place the greater moral issue above that of the lesser moral issue.
How do you get a Trump comparison to Jesus out of anything I cited?
Trump doesn't have the conflicting moral dilemma, *WE DO*.
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Yes it is.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/3c/6f/cc/3c6fccc6de2055cae131966656b87a8e.jpg)
Okay Pee Wee.
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Okay Pee Wee.
Name-calling? Really? :silly:
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Oooooh, did I hit a nerve?
Good.
More like getting on the nerves. I have so far seen nothing which shows that any of you have the mental acumen necessary to cause me any discomfort.
All you do is trade childish taunts, and seldom if ever respond as if you were an educated adult. I've dealt with childish adults for decades, and you lot appear no better than most I have spanked in the past.
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No. You have an ignorance problem. You automatically assume that the Republican is the lesser evil and ignore or reject any evidence to the contrary, just because he's a Republican.
When I see some evidence to the contrary, *THEN* I might be able to reject it, but so far all that has been put in front of me is childish crap.
Trump donated to Hillary! Big whoop.
Bill Clinton told Trump to run! Big whoop.
The Clinton campaign wanted Trump to be the candidate! Big Whoop.
Seriously, not a single speck of this compares to the very evil and unethical things which Hillary has done throughout a 37 year career of sleaze and graft.
PRESENT SOME EVIDENCE!!!! Stop with this childish crap and give me an example of where Trump has committed an evil on par with Hillary Rotten Clinton.
Abaraxas laid it out for you. You denied all of it.
I ignored it because the entirety of it was childish crap that was unfit to be introduced into a discussion about which of them is more evil.
Show me some EVIL !!!!! Some real EVIL, like firing 7 people so you can give their jobs to your cronies who will then funnel government contract money back to you in a secret kickback scheme, and then demand that the FBI prosecute the fired people!
Show me some Trump evil on that scale!
Put up some evidence and stop talking about childish crap like campaign contributions and such.
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Name-calling? Really? :silly:
I say "No it isn't", to which you respond "Yes it is" and you don't think the conversation has descended to the childish name calling stage?
What are you, 12?
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Ok, the topic of this thread is "election prediction" not "sophomoric insults".
Please stick to the topic.
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There is a form of argument in which you throw up so many claims that it becomes implausible to refute them. Instead of one argument, you have a dozen, all of which must be challenged for their accuracy or significance.
Let's take just one of your assertions.
"Trump is the only candidate that donated to Hillary's Senate run."
So? This did not singlehandedly elect Hillary. This is the sort of thing that well connected New Yorkers do, and of course Trump did what he believed was in the best interests of his business operations.
Is this significant in the larger scheme of things? No. In fact, i'll cite the Gipper himself.
http://youtu.be/NIcDdWgBELY
All of what you cited is trivial compared to what is wrong with Hillary.
Just my take but you remind me of someone desperately trying to rationalize something that is clearly irrational.
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Are you kidding? Virtually every discussion with a "Libertarian" starts off with cannabis. If it doesn't start that way, it gets there eventually.
Wrong. My husband and many of his friends are Libertarians. None of them smoke pot. Heck none of them smoke. Most of them don't drink. They are strongly individualistic. No place for that mindset in the GOP or Democrat parties.
Too much generalization.
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Wrong. My husband and many of his friends are Libertarians. None of them smoke pot. Heck none of them smoke. Most of them don't drink. They are strongly individualistic. No place for that mindset in the GOP or Democrat parties.
Too much generalization.
I think he(DL)'s right. Virtually every discussion with a "Libertarian" starts off with cannabis. It's just not the libertarian that brings it up, quite the opposite.
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Wrong. My husband and many of his friends are Libertarians. None of them smoke pot. Heck none of them smoke. Most of them don't drink. They are strongly individualistic. No place for that mindset in the GOP or Democrat parties.
Too much generalization.
For Libertarians who actually engage in discussion/debate ... I've found that they tend to be highly doctrinaire, and so tied to the theoretical basis of their ideas that they lose sight of real-world people and how they behave. A few classics include:
- Arguments that drunk driving shouldn't be illegal unless somebody gets hurt;
- You have no right to complain about the crack house (or whorehouse) next door;
- The panoply of foreign policy silliness.
- And, of course, there actually is a broad swath of libertarianism that is all about the cannabis in particular, and drugs in general.
Libertarians (programmers all, apparently) are absolutely unyielding on such things, which is why the party is not a serious player in American politics.
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I think he(DL)'s right. Virtually every discussion with a "Libertarian" starts off with cannabis. It's just not the libertarian that brings it up, quite the opposite.
It's like talking to a vegan, make sure you ask them where they get their protein. :laugh:
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It's like talking to a vegan, make sure you ask them where they get their protein. :laugh:
And their B12.
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Ok, the topic of this thread is "election prediction" not "sophomoric insults".
Please stick to the topic.
:beer:
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Trump is nuts and lacking in IQ to the point that it should have disqualified him from gaining the nomination. He is also crooked and corrupt, but I have to agree with you, he is not even close to HRC on the evil scale. I can't think of too many human beings on the planet that are her peer on that scale.
...Any country that would elect Obama twice will turn a blind eye to HRC while holding out their collective hands to be filled.
Exactly. They only care about continuing to get their freebies.
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Ok, the topic of this thread is "election prediction" not "sophomoric insults".
Please stick to the topic.
Poopie head...
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Here's a prediction: Come Nov. 8, the US will elect a corrupt self-serving egoist whose short-sighted and foolish policies will make US involvement in a significant foreign war against the national army of one or more major or important regional powers far more likely that it has been for the last decade, or would have been going forward had the winner's party chosen a different candidate from the field who put themselves forward for the nomination.
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No fair. You're right either way.
That was the point.
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One thing you guys are forgetting is the jobs report comes out on Friday.
If it's good, that won't help Trump.
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One thing you guys are forgetting is the jobs report comes out on Friday.
If it's good, that won't help Trump.
If Trump accidently voids his contract by winning... he's out BGLY BUCKS from the Clintons!!
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Earlier in the Thread, I thought Trump would eek out a win if Clinton couldn't come up with any new dirt on him.
As of this morning the 2nd, the best they've done since the FBI story is blame Comey, and reintroduce the Miss Universe lady.
If this is all they got..............
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Earlier in the Thread, I thought Trump would eek out a win if Clinton couldn't come up with any new dirt on him.
As of this morning the 2nd, the best they've done since the FBI story is blame Comey, and reintroduce the Miss Universe lady.
If this is all they got..............
Can't be.... I'm still expecting something big by Friday. It's just how these people roll....
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Can't be.... I'm still expecting something big by Friday. It's just how these people roll....
With early voting still in play in a lot of states, I am a bit surprised that they haven't put out anything new to date.
But, yes, if they have more, it will come out.
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One thing you guys are forgetting is the jobs report comes out on Friday.
If it's good, that won't help Trump.
How long has U-3 been at 5%? Based on ADP's numbers this morning, Friday's report will be a big nothing burger.
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Only early voting or voter fraud can keep Trump out.
Trump landslide.
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How long has U-3 been at 5%? Based on ADP's numbers this morning, Friday's report will be a big nothing burger.
I expect it will be what they need it to be.
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No fair. You're right either way.
No he is only half right. Hillary is a warmonger, Trump is not.
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How long has U-3 been at 5%? Based on ADP's numbers this morning, Friday's report will be a big nothing burger.
If the press can interpret it as good economic news, it'll keep Hillary out of the headlines for a little bit. Might be all that matters.
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If the press can interpret it as good economic news, it'll keep Hillary out of the headlines for a little bit. Might be all that matters.
Reports of good economic data is going to seem insignificant, if not unbelievable to those who are now faced with enormous increases in Obamacare. The reports of election fraud and the Clinton/Abedin emails will continue to surface.
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Reports of good economic data is going to seem insignificant, if not unbelievable to those who are now faced with enormous increases in Obamacare. The reports of election fraud and the Clinton/Abedin emails will continue to surface.
Obamacare is albatross for Democrats, but most people aren't affected by it... yet.
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Only early voting or voter fraud can keep Trump out.
Trump landslide.
:thumbsup:
(I'll let you in on a suspicion I have. #NeverTrump knows they're headed for a landslide defeat. Their tears will be delicious November 9)
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Reports of good economic data is going to seem insignificant, if not unbelievable to those who are now faced with enormous increases in Obamacare. The reports of election fraud and the Clinton/Abedin emails will continue to surface.
We are also going into the eighth year of a sluggish economy. Hillary's email issue will have more of an impact in the short term than our so called recovery or Obamacare premium increases.
I have been watching liberal family members having a meltdown over this new email issue and how terrible it is and Comey should be arrested. I've asked them what their response would be if everything was the same but it was Trump under fire? So Democrats know this is bad for her
Her savior may be early voting
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One thing you guys are forgetting is the jobs report comes out on Friday.
If it's good, that won't help Trump.
I'll make a prediction. It will be good and then 2 weeks later, after the election, they will revise the numbers down... unexpectedly. They are going to goose the be-jabbers out of those numbers to help Clinton
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I'll make a prediction. It will be good and then 2 weeks later, after the election, they will revise the numbers down... unexpectedly. They are going to goose the be-jabbers out of those numbers to help Clinton
I think you may be correct.
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I'll make a prediction. It will be good and then 2 weeks later, after the election, they will revise the numbers down... unexpectedly. They are going to goose the be-jabbers out of those numbers to help Clinton
^^^ Ding ding ding ding....
we have a winner.
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Obamacare is albatross for Democrats, but most people aren't affected by it... yet.
??? Reports are already coming out. Average costs are increasing 22%. CNN calls it a "pocketbook crisis". That's significant. Washington Post is reporting people are now receiving letters about skyrocketing premiums and having to go back to the exchange for a better rate but with less coverage. That's also significant, especially since it is being reported that roughly one in five Obamacare customers will have only one insurer to choose from in 2017. In other words, there isn't anything they can do about the increase.
http://money.cnn.com/interactive/news/economy/obamacare-by-the-numbers/
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/31/obamacare-premium-costs-skyrocket-but-plan-still-h/
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Okay, my final prediction.
There is a 99.999% chance the results will suck.
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Yep. I think you're right.
Of course the upshot it they have been doing this kind of nonsense for so long that most people don't really believe it anymore. If people aren't feeling richer, they aren't going to be fooled so I expect the effect to be less than it was four years ago.
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Okay, my final prediction.
There is a 99.999% chance the results will suck.
I think you got it.
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Okay, my final prediction.
There is a 99.999% chance the results will suck.
:amen:
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Earlier in the Thread, I thought Trump would eek out a win if Clinton couldn't come up with any new dirt on him.
As of this morning the 2nd, the best they've done since the FBI story is blame Comey, and reintroduce the Miss Universe lady.
If this is all they got..............
Here's an example of a poll that proves the Comey issue has a half-life and it's very short. This from Wisconsin:
On Weds and Thurs, 47% favored Clinton, 36% Trump. On Fri, Trump 48%, Clinton 40%. Sat-Mon, Clinton 46%, Trump 40. MUlawpoll.
With no new details, the email issue is fading.
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This is the longest smear campaign in any election that I have ever witnessed and it all really began with Trump smearing Cruz and he's never stopped attacking people. Not to say that Hillary doesn't have baggage; but I think we're all tired of the Trump attacks and now the Clinton attacks. Trump and Clinton are not foreign to each other; they've run in the same social circle for decades. Trump is very well aware of what Hillary is like and Hillary is very well aware of what Trump is like. Both of them are despicable and deplorable; yet we will have elected one of them in a week. God help us!!!