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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Chosen Daughter on May 09, 2020, 05:58:57 pm
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Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
Tea Party Main Street's
Republican Party Base
excerpt from website:
Senate Rinos Publicly Protecting Immigrants By Opposing Tariffs On Mexico 6-2-2019
Sen. Mitch McConnell
Sen. Joni Ernst
Sen. Ron Johnson
Sen. Cory Gardner
Sen. John Cornyn
Sen. Ted Cruz
Sen. Rob Portman
https://teapartymainstreet.blogspot.com/2019/04/the-2020-rino-list-begins-to-grow-as.html
Justin Amash used to be Tea Party darlin.
Well its the Trump party now. No tea left.
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2019.
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Ted's ratings have gone down by Conservative Review as well.
https://www.conservativereview.com/scorecard/ted-cruz/ (https://www.conservativereview.com/scorecard/ted-cruz/)
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Childish name calling.... grow up people.
Republican does not/ and has not for many years, meant conservative.
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Somehow absent of RINO Lindsey Graham
RINO Lindsey Graham “Jokes†about Killing Ted Cruz
One of the leading RINOs in the Republican Party, South Carolina’s senior Senator [score]Lindsey Graham[/score] (R-SC), recently made a terrible joke about a colleague of his.
Senator Grahamnesty, um, I mean Graham, was speaking at the Washington Press Club Foundation Dinner when he decided to entertain the DC media elite with his own special, moronic brand of “comedy.â€
First, he called the GOP “batshit crazy.†Then he mockingly joked that a “good Republican†should defend [score]Ted Cruz[/score], but then added that he wouldn’t be doing it. Instead, Graham unleashed what may have been the most inappropriate joke about Cruz that he could saying, “If you kill Ted Cruz on the floor of the Senate and the trial was in the Senate, nobody could convict you.†While the DC media seemed to love the humor, it sure fell flat out here in flyover country.
https://thewashingtonsentinel.com/rino-lindsey-graham-jokes-about-killing-ted-cruz/
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I tried to find the Congressional record of the vote that this Tea Party blog is referring to -- I couldn't find a bill number, nor even a resolution number to look up the context of the bill to see if indeed Cruz voted as they stated and to see why. The website that I normally used to look up the info, isn't as user friendly anymore.
If the "Tea Party" blog wanted some credibility, it would seem that they would have all their ducks in a row and reference legislation and votes of those that they are naming.
I know of several people who have belonged to different Tea Party groups who discovered that there are a lot of DEM plants within the various groups to bring down the true Tea Party and its members.
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Ted's ratings have gone down by Conservative Review as well.
https://www.conservativereview.com/scorecard/ted-cruz/ (https://www.conservativereview.com/scorecard/ted-cruz/)
Its best to be truthful. The ratings have gone down on Conservative Review for his votes that matched Trumps priorities. Spending.
https://www.conservativereview.com/scorecard/ted-cruz/ (https://www.conservativereview.com/scorecard/ted-cruz/)
The ‘gag and vote for it’ small-business-killing coronavirus emergency legislation
Pass a $19 billion spending bill without funding for the border crisis
Release dangerous criminals from federal prisons
Pass a $900 billion farm bill with socialist policies
ass a promise-breaking cromnibus before the election
Massive Spending, Debt Ceiling Raise, and Democrat Priorities Funded
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Conservative Review is Conservative. Ted has jumped on the Trump train and supported all of Trumps spending sprees. If he is the RINO, then Trump is the master of RINO.
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Childish name calling.... grow up people.
Republican does not/ and has not for many years, meant conservative.
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In fact it NEVER had anything to do w/principled conservatism
since Fremont of California in 1856, not for a day.
It represented centralized government, trade protectionism and judicial activism,
during its political ascendancy from Johnson to Hoover, as its legislation proves.
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Its best to be truthful. The ratings have gone down on Conservative Review for his votes that matched Trumps priorities. Spending.
https://www.conservativereview.com/scorecard/ted-cruz/ (https://www.conservativereview.com/scorecard/ted-cruz/)
The ‘gag and vote for it’ small-business-killing coronavirus emergency legislation
Pass a $19 billion spending bill without funding for the border crisis
Release dangerous criminals from federal prisons
Pass a $900 billion farm bill with socialist policies
ass a promise-breaking cromnibus before the election
Massive Spending, Debt Ceiling Raise, and Democrat Priorities Funded
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Conservative Review is Conservative. Ted has jumped on the Trump train and supported all of Trumps spending sprees. If he is the RINO, then Trump is the master of RINO.
Yes it is best to be truthful. There have been several times where Cruz has cast a vote that I wasn't exactly happy with; that is until I was able to read the actual text of the bill and then realized why he voted the way that he did.
No where in the article has the actual piece(s) of legislation been referenced and as I stated I tried looking it up, but without the bill number or even the resolution number, I couldn't find it.
As for Cruz jumping on the Trump train -- he has stood behind him many times but he has also opposed him. I tend to veer away from blog sites --- especially ones that don't show any references to what their 'blogging' about.
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Voting against unnecessary tariffs is very much a Conservative thing to do from a fiscal standpoint.
Not sure why this blog would want to paint Cruz as a RINO.
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Voting against unnecessary tariffs is very much a Conservative thing to do from a fiscal standpoint.
Not sure why this blog would want to paint Cruz as a RINO.
As I've stated, I couldn't find the supposed bill referenced to look it up. As for a 'blog', it is just that, a blog.
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Top Texas Republicans push back on Trump's Mexico tariffs, but how far will they go?
Dallas Morning News By Tom Benning 6/5/2019
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/2019/06/05/top-texas-republicans-push-back-on-trump-s-mexico-tariffs-but-how-far-will-they-go/ (https://www.dallasnews.com/business/2019/06/05/top-texas-republicans-push-back-on-trump-s-mexico-tariffs-but-how-far-will-they-go/)
Top Texas Republicans in Congress continue to caution President Donald Trump against imposing tariffs on all Mexican imports to the U.S., citing the substantial economic harm that would result from a standoff with Texas' top trading partner.
But it remains unclear if those lawmakers will block Trump if he follows through on his threat, which he issued to prod Mexico to do more to prevent migrants from illegally entering the U.S.
Neither Sen. Ted Cruz nor Sen. John Cornyn on Wednesday would commit to supporting a measure to overturn Trump's Mexico tariffs — which are slated to start Monday at a 5% level and then ratchet up over time — as both men projected optimism that such action won't be necessary.
"This is like a giant game of chicken," Cruz said, predicting that one country is "going to blink."
"If the outcome is that Mexico blinks, they say, 'OK, we're going to work proactively to stop illegal immigration' — that would be a terrific outcome," he said. "If, on the other hand, ... the tariffs get imposed and we see massive tariffs on both sides, that would be a terrible outcome."
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Top Texas Republicans push back on Trump's Mexico tariffs, but how far will they go?
Dallas Morning News By Tom Benning 6/5/2019
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/2019/06/05/top-texas-republicans-push-back-on-trump-s-mexico-tariffs-but-how-far-will-they-go/ (https://www.dallasnews.com/business/2019/06/05/top-texas-republicans-push-back-on-trump-s-mexico-tariffs-but-how-far-will-they-go/)
Thanks for the post @Elderberry
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As a person I dislike Cruz, I think he is a liar and a phony, but his votes in the Senate IMHO have been good. I don't like him but he votes the right way so until someone better comes along I'll support him.
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As a person I dislike Cruz, I think he is a liar and a phony, but his votes in the Senate IMHO have been good. I don't like him but he votes the right way so until someone better comes along I'll support him.
He is a liar and professional politician. Once someone 'shows' you who they are believe it. He voted for the TTP, OR TPP. And is a member of North American UNION. OK. my memory is fuzzy this morning. Looking for my saved file. Not the one I wanted below.
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12 minutes ago #1
http://time.com/5315604/ted-cruz-family (http://time.com/5315604/ted-cruz-family) ... er-crisis/
Trump strong on borders.
Cruz. All about appeasement
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He is a liar and professional politician. Once someone 'shows' you who they are believe it. He voted for the TTP, OR TPP. And is a member of North American UNION. OK. my memory is fuzzy this morning. Looking for my saved file. Not the one I wanted below.
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12 minutes ago #1
http://time.com/5315604/ted-cruz-family (http://time.com/5315604/ted-cruz-family) ... er-crisis/
Trump strong on borders.
Cruz. All about appeasement
Cruz has a voting record that would dispute your claim. Also -- link is broken
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He is a liar and professional politician. Once someone 'shows' you who they are believe it. He voted for the TTP, OR TPP. And is a member of North American UNION. OK. my memory is fuzzy this morning. Looking for my saved file. Not the one I wanted below.
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12 minutes ago #1
http://time.com/5315604/ted-cruz-family (http://time.com/5315604/ted-cruz-family) ... er-crisis/
Trump strong on borders.
Cruz. All about appeasement
*****rollingeyes*****
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He is a liar and professional politician. Once someone 'shows' you who they are believe it. He voted for the TTP, OR TPP. And is a member of North American UNION. OK. my memory is fuzzy this morning. Looking for my saved file. Not the one I wanted below.
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12 minutes ago #1
http://time.com/5315604/ted-cruz-family (http://time.com/5315604/ted-cruz-family) ... er-crisis/
Trump strong on borders.
Cruz. All about appeasement
Which country is he?
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I see some articles & videos have been removed. Here is what I remember about the TTP. Ted Cruz signed it. Later he said, he was lied to and didn't know what he was signing. Isn't he supposed to READ...what he is signing? He is an attorney. He claims NOT TO KNOW, WHAT HE SIGNED. THAT IS WHAT HE IS THERE FOR...as senator, for WE THE PEOPLE. HE DIDN'T READ IT? It was a program for NWO & would destroy America, more. Same with his support of North American UNION. His wife, Heidi, was C.E.O. of that. Cruz is just bidding his time. Nothing to do about helping AMERICANS. SNAKE IN THE GRASS.
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Is Ted Cruz a Dominionist?
2 Answers
James Holloman
James Hollomon, The USA is headed toward banana republic status if we don't change course.
Updated Jan 23, 2016 · Author has 3.1k answers and 4.4m answer views
Ted Cruz is a member of a strict fundamentalist branch of the Southern Baptist Church with deep roots in Dominionist theology. His father is a noted Dominionist. Here are a sampling of references to read more about his desire to set up a national and eventually world-wide Christian theocratic government.
Ted Cruz, Dominionism and Jesus
The Left Must Accept that Ted Cruz is the Dominionist Messiah
CHILLING Exposé: Ted Cruz & his Dominionist Roots
Born From The Heart of the Dominionist Christian Right
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Cruz on TPP
https://therightscoop.com/ted-cruz-jeff-sessions-is-wrong-about-obamatrade-deal-full-audio/#ixzz3ztp5JXC4
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*****rollingeyes*****
Rolling your eyes does NOT make my post untrue. You all love a professional politician. Sad. Tea party is correct.
Ted goes where the wind blows him.
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Nehemiah
5 years ago
Actually Raf, your dominionist ideology was exactly what Jefferson, Paine, Washington, and others feared most and specifically worded the constitution to avoid. And any attempt to change that one fundamental ideal of the separation of church and state, thereby avoiding the establishment of any one religion constitutes an act of treason against your adopted country.
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Ted Cruz on Free Trade
https://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Ted_Cruz_Free_Trade.htm (https://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Ted_Cruz_Free_Trade.htm)
Q: You were a supporter of the Pacific trade deal, but you changed your position.
CRUZ: Actually that's incorrect. There are two different agreements. There's TPA and TPP. I opposed TPP and have always opposed TPP, which is what you asked about. Free trade, when we open up foreign markets, helps Americans. But we're getting killed in international trade right now.We're driving jobs overseas.
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Cruz on TPP
https://therightscoop.com/ted-cruz-jeff-sessions-is-wrong-about-obamatrade-deal-full-audio/#ixzz3ztp5JXC4
Yep ... we've been down this road before, so, I'm not going to go back and forth on the issue. TPP is one issue. All in all,I still like Cruz and I'd have no hesitation in voting for him. I think he would make an excellent President, AG or SCOTUS justice.
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Which country is he?
I don't understand your question.
Ted Cruz is born of CUBAN REFUGEE dad and jewish American mother in CANADA. He had dual citizenship, which he renounced, to be able to run for president of USA. I once supported Ted Cruz. NOT ANY MORE, once I saw how he lied and how underhanded he is, was, still is. TEA PARTY IS CORRECT. Why would TEA PARTY MEMBERS LIE?
Ted supports anything, that would make him look good to the public, like supporting TRUMP. Riding his coat tails. POTUS USES DIPLOMACY IN DEALING WITH HIM. I would not turn my back on Cruz.
Everyone will vote for whomever they want. I just gave my issues & points about "lying Ted". I SAW those lies with my own, eyes & ears. I DO NOT TRUST HIM ONE TINY BIT. Do I need to detail those lies?
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Cruz on TPP
https://therightscoop.com/ted-cruz-jeff-sessions-is-wrong-about-obamatrade-deal-full-audio/#ixzz3ztp5JXC4
Thank you!
Ted Cruz was on with Jeff Kuhner this morning and answered some tough questions about why he supports the TPA/TPP agreements. One of the questions was specifically about what Jeff Sessions has been saying about the trade deal and Cruz blatantly said that what Sessions has been saying is not accurate. In short, he said that the US is not ceding any sovereignty to any transnational commission, that it has no power to bind the US with any law or agreement
The interview is 24 minutes long and I urge you to listen to the whole thing. But if you want to skip ahead to the Q&A about Jeff Sessions take on this, it begins around 16:10.
Listen:
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I don't understand your question.
Ted Cruz is born of CUBAN REFUGEE dad and jewish American mother in CANADA. He had dual citizenship, which he renounced, to be able to run for president of USA. I once supported Ted Cruz. NOT ANY MORE, once I saw how he lied and how underhanded he is, was, still is. TEA PARTY IS CORRECT. Why would TEA PARTY MEMBERS LIE?
Ted supports anything, that would make him look good to the public, like supporting TRUMP. Riding his coat tails. POTUS USES DIPLOMACY IN DEALING WITH HIM. I would not turn my back on Cruz.
Everyone will vote for whomever they want. I just gave my issues & points about "lying Ted". I SAW those lies with my own, eyes & ears. I DO NOT TRUST HIM ONE TINY BIT. Do I need to detail those lies?
The statement was made that he was a member of the North American Union.
That 'union' is comprised of three countries.
It is not a labor union.
Don't make me put my cap lock key back on the keyboard.
I don't care how loud you say something, that doesn't make it any more true.
The greatest truths in history were spoken in a soft voice.
I saw what happened when in the election, and don't make me go back into the primary campaign and show you who is the liar. There's no gain in it for anyone, and especially the country at this point.
Relativity. I wasn't on the train and the view was different from the platform.
The MSM didn't want Ted, and they thought they could beat Trump.
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The statement was made that he was a member of the North American Union.
That 'union' is comprised of three countries.
It is not a labor union.
Don't make me put my cap lock key back on the keyboard.
I don't care how loud you say something, that doesn't make it any more true.
The greatest truths in history were spoken in a soft voice.
I saw what happened when in the election, and don't make me go back into the primary campaign and show you who is the liar. There's no gain in it for anyone, and especially the country at this point.
Relativity. I wasn't on the train and the view was different from the platform.
The MSM didn't want Ted, and they thought they could beat Trump.
888high58888
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Yep ... we've been down this road before, so, I'm not going to go back and forth on the issue. TPP is one issue. All in all,I still like Cruz and I'd have no hesitation in voting for him. I think he would make an excellent President, AG or SCOTUS justice.
You have the right to vote for whomever you want. It is the fact that TED said, he was lied to and didn't KNOW what he was signing. HE DIDN'T READ IT? He is an attorney. HE LIED. He is supposed to read what he signs for the AMERICAN PEOPLE. He would make a very BAD president. GLOBALIST POLITICIAN. If he says, HE WAS LIED TO ABOUT TTP.
You want someone that does not KNOW what he is signing? Blames others? Either way, he did NOT do his JOB.
HE LIED ABOUT BEING LIED TO, AND HAS TO ADMIT HE DID NOT READ WHAT HE WAS SIGNING, OR CLAIM TO BE A GLOBALIST. NWO. North American UNION. It is in your face & you still would vote for him?
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Now I realize I was wrong to take some people off Ignore. 888mouth
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The statement was made that he was a member of the North American Union.
That 'union' is comprised of three countries.
It is not a labor union.
Don't make me put my cap lock key back on the keyboard.
I don't care how loud you say something, that doesn't make it any more true.
The greatest truths in history were spoken in a soft voice.
I saw what happened when in the election, and don't make me go back into the primary campaign and show you who is the liar. There's no gain in it for anyone, and especially the country at this point.
Relativity. I wasn't on the train and the view was different from the platform.
The MSM didn't want Ted, and they thought they could beat Trump.
I know it is not a labor union.
It was about uniting CANADA, North America and South America...as one. I saw what happened in the election too. TED LYING ABOUT WHO WAS DROPPING out in the race, lied, then received those votes, intended for those who were still running. Ted is a liar. Out & out liar.
We will have to agree to disagree on this.
. Women have great memories. I used to have photographic memory. I didn't know, it was rare. I though everyone was like that.
When people start talking about my caps...I am a very lousy typist. Caps don't turn off sometimes and I just keep typing to get my thoughts down.
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Now I realize I was wrong to take some people off Ignore. 888mouth
Stay in denial...many people like that place. See, you don't want any truth to interfere in your thinking. Time will prove me correct. Even TEA PARTY..sees who TED IS....
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In the past I would rise to defend Cruz against the scurrilous charges made against him hereon, not the leas of which, the Dominionist bullcrap.
Everything listed against him here is pure-D bullcrap wrt TPP... Dominionism, Canadian ... All of it.
Except the Tea Party charge.
YES, Cruz has moved far to the left. FAR. To be in line with Tumpy. He ran off and joined the circus.
I very likely will not vote for him anymore.
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Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
Tea Party Main Street's
Republican Party Base
excerpt from website:
Senate Rinos Publicly Protecting Immigrants By Opposing Tariffs On Mexico 6-2-2019
Sen. Mitch McConnell
Sen. Joni Ernst
Sen. Ron Johnson
Sen. Cory Gardner
Sen. John Cornyn
Sen. Ted Cruz
Sen. Rob Portman
https://teapartymainstreet.blogspot.com/2019/04/the-2020-rino-list-begins-to-grow-as.html
Justin Amash used to be Tea Party darlin.
Well its the Trump party now. No tea left.
I agree with most of that list. JUSTIN AMASH is another RINO. He & his family have business's in CHINA and oppose TRUMP. AMASH'S roots are in PALESTINE=HAMAS...he now claims to be an independent. Our country is being over taken by muslims. OMAR. When people find out the truth about the RINO'S...they call them out. Mitch has always ridden the fence. Notice a pattern? PORTMAN. OH. JUNE 2019? do have some thing current? A year ago?
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The 12 Senate Republicans who voted AGAINST NATIONAL EMERGENCY AT BORDER. (NOT TO MENTION ALL THE DEMON-RATS)
Roger Wicker of Mississippi,
Marco Rubio of Florida,
Rob Portman of Ohio,
Susan Collins of Maine,
Lisa Murkowski of Alaska,
Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania,
Roy Blunt of Missouri,
Lamar Alexander of Tennessee,
Mitt Romney of Utah,
Rand Paul of Kentucky,
Jerry Moran of Kansas
and Mike Lee of Utah.
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Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
Tea Party Main Street's
Republican Party Base
excerpt from website:
Senate Rinos Publicly Protecting Immigrants By Opposing Tariffs On Mexico 6-2-2019
Sen. Mitch McConnell
Sen. Joni Ernst
Sen. Ron Johnson
Sen. Cory Gardner
Sen. John Cornyn
Sen. Ted Cruz
Sen. Rob Portman
https://teapartymainstreet.blogspot.com/2019/04/the-2020-rino-list-begins-to-grow-as.html
Justin Amash used to be Tea Party darlin.
Well its the Trump party now. No tea left.
WHY are you agitating people with something A YEAR OLD?
SUNDAY, APRIL 14, 2019
The 2020 Rino List Begins To Grow As Republican Representatives Go Against The "Republican Party Base"
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I know it is not a labor union.
It was about uniting CANADA, North America and South America...as one. I saw what happened in the election too. TED LYING ABOUT WHO WAS DROPPING out in the race, lied, then received those votes, intended for those who were still running. Ted is a liar. Out & out liar.
We will have to agree to disagree on this.
. Women have great memories. I used to have photographic memory. I didn't know, it was rare. I though everyone was like that.
When people start talking about my caps...I am a very lousy typist. Caps don't turn off sometimes and I just keep typing to get my thoughts down.
You are free to disagree, but the proposed North American Union did not have anything to do with South America. It comprised Canada, the United States, and Mexico, going from north to south.
I also happened to see the CNN broadcast about how Carson was dropping out and going home, before one of Cruz's staffers tweeted that he had dropped out based on CNN's erroneous information.
I know what was going on.
Trump had sucked up to the Governor and GOP of Iowa over enforcing Ethanol mandates, and Cruz has said he'd remove them and let the market decide.
It's a big issue in Iowa, and the Governor's son was employed in the Ethanol Lobby, and the Governor himself was credited with the statement that 'Cruz had to be defeated, whatever it takes' over that exact issue, even as Cruz had convinced farmers otherwise in a brillinat ground game.
Cruz won the primary and the sh*tstorm started, complete with "lyin' ted' and the Pecker* at National Enquirer releasing hit pieces throughout the primary season aimed at specific regional audiences in time for their primaries in a well timed and executed smear campaign that even lied about Cruz's wife and father.
*https://www.businessinsider.com/david-pecker-bio-photos-national-enquirer-publisher-bezos-trump-links (https://www.businessinsider.com/david-pecker-bio-photos-national-enquirer-publisher-bezos-trump-links)
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Voting against unnecessary tariffs is very much a Conservative thing to do from a fiscal standpoint.
Not sure why this blog would want to paint Cruz as a RINO.
That's because it's a shit "blog." :shrug:
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That's because it's a shit "blog." :shrug:
Yet another proof against "conservative hub"
--most prolific poster admits to socialism
--year old article claiming Sen. Cruz to be a Rino
Does the owner and moderation of this site, think suck crap is anything but a contiuous slide into uselessness?
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Yet another proof against "conservative hub"
--most prolific poster admits to socialism
--year old article claiming Sen. Cruz to be a Rino
Does the owner and moderation of this site, think suck crap is anything but a contiuous slide into uselessness?
Who is the most prolific poster?
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Yet another proof against "conservative hub"
--most prolific poster admits to socialism
--year old article claiming Sen. Cruz to be a Rino
Does the owner and moderation of this site, think suck crap is anything but a contiuous slide into uselessness?
No, the owner and Mods think this "hub" will die if we tailor it to fit the desires of one side or the other of this "war." Do you think you might be unhappy if we decide to arbitrarily exclude "your side?" A lot of voices say Trump is not "conservative." Is your opinion more important than theirs?
Stop attacking the forum. We don't want to have to create a new rule.
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Who is the most prolific poster?
The most "prolific" poster on the Forum is, according to the stats, the much-maligned owner of the place. By far at over 295,000 posts. I'm 4th.
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You are free to disagree, but the proposed North American Union did not have anything to do with South America. It comprised Canada, the United States, and Mexico, going from north to south.
I also happened to see the CNN broadcast about how Carson was dropping out and going home, before one of Cruz's staffers tweeted that he had dropped out based on CNN's erroneous information.
I know what was going on.
Trump had sucked up to the Governor and GOP of Iowa over enforcing Ethanol mandates, and Cruz has said he'd remove them and let the market decide.
It's a big issue in Iowa, and the Governor's son was employed in the Ethanol Lobby, and the Governor himself was credited with the statement that 'Cruz had to be defeated, whatever it takes' over that exact issue, even as Cruz had convinced farmers otherwise in a brillinat ground game.
Cruz won the primary and the sh*tstorm started, complete with "lyin' ted' and the Pecker* at National Enquirer releasing hit pieces throughout the primary season aimed at specific regional audiences in time for their primaries in a well timed and executed smear campaign that even lied about Cruz's wife and father.
*https://www.businessinsider.com/david-pecker-bio-photos-national-enquirer-publisher-bezos-trump-links (https://www.businessinsider.com/david-pecker-bio-photos-national-enquirer-publisher-bezos-trump-links)
Exactly. Most people have gotten past #NeverTrump and the #Never Cruz movements. It's really a shame that people hate Trump so much, that they now hate Ted for agreeing with Trump when he thinks he's correct.
To post a blog, which is often usually nothing more than a glorified opinion, and proclaim it as fact based evidence against Cruz to me only demonstrates their hatred for Trump is so deep that anyone (in this case Cruz) that agrees with Trump is now their target as well.
This country is in dire straits and if we aren't successful in avoiding placing a DEM in the WH in 2020, we lose our Republic. But, hell, no, they'd rather see socialism and lose our Republic all the while declaring they are doing so because of their principles.
First and foremost I for one firmly believe in this Republic and feel it is my duty to try to keep her!! Otherwise, what do we have? :patriot:
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When conservatism is the issue, suggest the usual suspects take a lengthy time out.
Aristotle articulated its principles, then some 1,000 years later William of Occam reinforced
them and in the 18th century, Edmund Burke refined them.
Directly stated; Principled Conservatism is a body of timeless/unchanging
rules which are the basis for human conduct and necessary for Mankind to survive.
These rules involve attitudes, behaviors, impulses and sentiments about Man's nature,
derived from the Natural Law and being independent of economics, politics and religion.
Whether or not Cruz is a Rhino, a Buffalo or a Hippo has nothing to do w/whether or not
he is a conservative!!!
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When conservatism is the issue, suggest the usual suspects take a lengthy time out.
Aristotle articulated its principles, then some 1,000 years later William of Occam reinforced
them and in the 18th century, Edmund Burke refined them.
Directly stated; Principled Conservatism is a body of timeless/unchanging
rules which are the basis for human conduct and necessary for Mankind to survive.
These rules involve attitudes, behaviors, impulses and sentiments about Man's nature,
being independent of economics, politics and religion.
Whether or not Cruz is a Rhino, a Buffalo or a Hippo has nothing to do w/whether or not
he is a conservative!!!
goopo
Principle over Party.
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In the past I would rise to defend Cruz against the scurrilous charges made against him hereon, not the leas of which, the Dominionist bullcrap.
Everything listed against him here is pure-D bullcrap wrt TPP... Dominionism, Canadian ... All of it.
Except the Tea Party charge.
YES, Cruz has moved far to the left. FAR. To be in line with Tumpy. He ran off and joined the circus.
I very likely will not vote for him anymore.
Not likely my friend, as you aren't a Texan.
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Not likely my friend, as you aren't a Texan.
The possibility exists he may run again in '24. Who knows?
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Not likely my friend, as you aren't a Texan.
Right. But were he to run for president again, I would have very serious reservations. Even as VP to Pence - That was a dream-team I'd have done anything to push into power not very long ago.
Now Cruz has sullied himself so badly that he might even be a detriment to a ticket. And Pence not far behind.
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Right. But were he to run for president again, I would have very serious reservations. Even as VP to Pence - That was a dream-team I'd have done anything to push into power not very long ago.
Now Cruz has sullied himself so badly that he might even be a detriment to a ticket. And Pence not far behind.
I would guess that would depend on your own view of "guilt by association." But, I do get what you're saying and I would not say that's invalid at all. Guilt by association is like Per unam mendacium, mendacium in omnibus ("A lie in one, is a lie in all.") It's considered a fallacy, but I don't agree with that much either.
(Have you ever met somebody this wishy-washy?)
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I would guess that would depend on your own view of "guilt by association." But, I do get what you're saying and I would not say that's invalid at all. Guilt by association is like Per unam mendacium, mendacium in omnibus ("A lie in one, is a lie in all.") It's considered a fallacy, but I don't agree with that much either.
(Have you ever met somebody this wishy-washy?)
With Pence it may be guilt by association... He's right in the middle of this covid crap.
But with Cruz, it's on the record. He was high 90's rated four years ago... Now, last I looked, he was low 80's... And yeah that's RINO territory. He's voting and speaking himself right out of Conservatism. Too bad too. He was the first Republican I expected to vote for since 07. Probably not anymore.
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With Pence it may be guilt by association... He's right in the middle of this covid crap.
But with Cruz, it's on the record. He was high 90's rated four years ago... Now, last I looked, he was low 80's... And yeah that's RINO territory. He's voting and speaking himself right out of Conservatism. Too bad too. He was the first Republican I expected to vote for since 07. Probably not anymore.
That's hard to argue with. When it comes to these ratings, they're generally pretty good, but are not always amenable to the local politics for a Senator. The rating assumes a total professed agreement with the principles of the rater, and anything less than 90% agreement is lousy.
Not a good trend there, I'll grant you that. He had a tough election last go round, tougher than it should have been.
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That's hard to argue with. When it comes to these ratings, they're generally pretty good, but are not always amenable to the local politics for a Senator. The rating assumes a total professed agreement with the principles of the rater, and anything less than 90% agreement is lousy.
Not a good trend there, I'll grant you that. He had a tough election last go round, tougher than it should have been.
That's all right... But no mercy for it. Just like no mercy for Tumpy when he's in error. If you ain't callin em on the carpet, you're accepting it outright, and part of the problem.
I don't mind holding feet to the fire.
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That's all right... But no mercy for it. Just like no mercy for Tumpy when he's in error. If you ain't callin em on the carpet, you're accepting it outright, and part of the problem.
I don't mind holding feet to the fire.
I don't mind it either...even when it's my feet!
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From the site......
"Tea Party", A Spinoff Political Entity In The Republican Party Of Ross Perot's 1990's Reform Party"
WTF does Perot have to do with this? The "real" tea party was a brainchild of Rick Santelli, on the floor of the Chicago Mercantile in January 2009. Calling out Obama on some of his initial Porkulus. Perot had absolutley zilch to do with this. They can't even get their freakin history right. Basic populist revisonist history bullshit.
Calling Cruz a RINO is about the most ridiculous thing I have heard. I think this is a farce or joke side of an ultra-Trumper cult. (look at the side ads).
Anyone mind telling me a senator more consistently conservative than Cruz the past 8 years? I piss on bogus "hit-pieces" by organizations who are so historically challenged, they are a joke.
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From the site......
"Tea Party", A Spinoff Political Entity In The Republican Party Of Ross Perot's 1990's Reform Party"
WTF does Perot have to do with this? The "real" tea party was a brainchild Rick Santelli, on the floor of the Chicago Mercantile in January 2009. Calling out Obama on some of his initial Porkulus. Perot had absolutley zilch to do with this. They can't even get their freakin history right. Basic populist revisonist history bullshit.
Calling Cruz a RINO is about the most ridiculous thing I have heard. I think this is a farce or joke side of an ultra-Trumper cult. (look at the side ads).
Anyone mind telling me a senator more consistently conservative than Cruz the past 8 years? I piss on bogus "hit-pieces" by organizations who are so historically challenged, they are a joke.
Ted Cruz is one of a shrinking handful of U.S. Senators with intelligence, guts and honor. He deserves our support.
Most of the rest of them are glorified state representatives with good teeth and hair and pallets of interest-group campaign cash who otherwise couldn't think their way out of a paper bag.
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The MSM didn't want Ted, and they thought they could beat Trump.
That's about the best summary I've ever read, of anything.
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Yes it is best to be truthful. There have been several times where Cruz has cast a vote that I wasn't exactly happy with; that is until I was able to read the actual text of the bill and then realized why he voted the way that he did.
No where in the article has the actual piece(s) of legislation been referenced and as I stated I tried looking it up, but without the bill number or even the resolution number, I couldn't find it.
As for Cruz jumping on the Trump train -- he has stood behind him many times but he has also opposed him. I tend to veer away from blog sites --- especially ones that don't show any references to what their 'blogging' about.
Very good points. As Paul Harvery, always said..... "And Now.... "The rest of the Story". I admit that Cruz has not batted a 1.000, but he has been spot on 90-95% of the time. I welcome any other Briefer to expound their explanation of how any other senator has been a better advocate of the conservative cause.
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I don't understand your question.
Ted Cruz is born of CUBAN REFUGEE dad and jewish American mother in CANADA. He had dual citizenship, which he renounced, to be able to run for president of USA. I once supported Ted Cruz. NOT ANY MORE, once I saw how he lied and how underhanded he is, was, still is. TEA PARTY IS CORRECT. Why would TEA PARTY MEMBERS LIE?
Ted supports anything, that would make him look good to the public, like supporting TRUMP. Riding his coat tails. POTUS USES DIPLOMACY IN DEALING WITH HIM. I would not turn my back on Cruz.
Everyone will vote for whomever they want. I just gave my issues & points about "lying Ted". I SAW those lies with my own, eyes & ears. I DO NOT TRUST HIM ONE TINY BIT. Do I need to detail those lies?
You buy tinfoil by the square foot don't you?
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You buy tinfoil by the square foot don't you?
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Such disrespect for POTUS. You all think that is clever? You think Ted Cruz is a great guy? BORN IN CANADA. HE IS A DOMINIONIST. HE DID VOTE FOR TPP. NO 'BULL CRAP' as someone said on here. THREE TRUTHS.....then posting TIN FOIL.
ALL YOU DO IS DESTROY AMERICA BY DOING THAT.
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Such disrespect for POTUS. You all think that is clever? You think Ted Cruz is a great guy? BORN IN CANADA. HE IS A DOMINIONIST. HE DID VOTE FOR TPP. NO 'BULL CRAP' as someone said on here. THREE TRUTHS.....then posting TIN FOIL.
ALL YOU DO IS DESTROY AMERICA BY DOING THAT.
OH GET THE KNOT OUT OF YOUR THONG.
IT'S FUNNY.
HAVE A LITTLE SENSE OF HUMOR.
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OH GET THE KNOT OUT OF YOUR THONG.
IT'S FUNNY.
HAVE A LITTLE SENSE OF HUMOR.
She literally said the other day that she thinks trump “is perfectâ€. She is incapable of rational thought or humor on the subject
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Such disrespect for POTUS. You all think that is clever? You think Ted Cruz is a great guy? BORN IN CANADA. HE IS A DOMINIONIST. HE DID VOTE FOR TPP. NO 'BULL CRAP' as someone said on here. THREE TRUTHS.....then posting TIN FOIL.
ALL YOU DO IS DESTROY AMERICA BY DOING THAT.
Lighten up, Francis!
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She literally said the other day that she thinks trump “is perfectâ€. She is incapable of rational thought or humor on the subject
I'll bet you can guess how I react when somebody shows no sense of humor....
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:silly: Love it!
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She literally said the other day that she thinks trump “is perfectâ€. She is incapable of rational thought or humor on the subject
You had me at "She is incapable of rational thought".
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I’ve been cruising around the internet learning more about Dominionism. It seems some of the proof that you are a Dominionist is if you believe that our country was founded on Jude-Christian values.
Texas Lt Gov Dan Patrick is one because he said and I quote “because every problem we have in America has a solution in the Bible.â€
One of the proofs that Ted Cruz is a Domionionist is that he said he was a Christian first and an American second. He also had the audacity to say that the separation of church and state is a one way wall meant to protect the church from the state.
I found a list of other Dominionist and it’s a scary bunch of people.
James Dobson
Mike Huckabee
D. James Kennedy
Tim Lehaye (author of Left Behind series)
Tom Coburn
Jim DeMint
Sarah Palin
Michelle Bachman
Some organizations associated with
American Family Association
Council for National Policy
Eagle Forum
Family Research Council
Moral Majority
National Religious Broadcasters
Texas Republican Party
I’m pretty much sick of reading all that crap. It’s a ridiculous smear that I saw was being attributed to any Christian politician. I haven’t posted links because there were just too many. If you want to go down the rabbit hole search Dominionism politicians.
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She literally said the other day that she thinks trump “is perfectâ€. She is incapable of rational thought or humor on the subject
I don't know.... some of the ridiculous things she says is so funny, it makes for some good satirical fodder. She's pretty much the Cartman of TBR. I know I am entertained.
Every think you would ever be in a place where a member is basically calling Trump the world advocate of conservativism, and Cruz is a RINO?
I hope she doesn't leave. I love it. :silly:
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I’ve been cruising around the internet learning more about Dominionism. It seems some of the proof that you are a Dominionist is if you believe that our country was founded on Jude-Christian values.
That also covers about 90-95% of the membership here.
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... You think Ted Cruz is a great guy? BORN IN CANADA. 1.) HE IS A DOMINIONIST. 2.) ...
1.) So what!You got something against Canuckians? :silly: What you failed to mention is that he was 3 YO when his parents moved back to the US (Texas). IOW, his entire elementary and High school education were in Texas.
2.) First, "Dominionist" is an epithet usually used by people - usually Libs and Progs - who hate people of a certain religious viewpoint. Second, Cruz is a Southern Baptist, a denomination whose teachings and practices don't align well with Christian Reconstructionists (what they call themselves). So your accusation the Cruz is a "Dominionist" probably says more about you than Ted Cruz.
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1.) So what!You got something against Canuckians? :silly: What you failed to mention is that he was 3 YO when his parents moved back to the US (Texas). IOW, his entire elementary and High school education were in Texas.
2.) First, "Dominionist" is an epithet usually used by people - usually Libs and Progs - who hate people of a certain religious viewpoint. Second, Cruz is a Southern Baptist, a denomination whose teachings and practices don't align well with Christian Reconstructionists (what they call themselves). So your accusation the Cruz is a "Dominionist" probably says more about you than Ted Cruz.
FACTS.
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I’ve been cruising around the internet learning more about Dominionism. It seems some of the proof that you are a Dominionist is if you believe that our country was founded on Jude-Christian values.
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"Dominionism" is simply an epithet, usually used by Libs and Progs, that means no more than, "(S)He's a Christian and I disagree with him/her." There is not one Christian Reconstructionist person or organization on the lists you posted (and I think you knew that).
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"Dominionism" is simply an epithet, usually used by Libs and Progs, that means no more than, "(S)He's a Christian and I disagree with him/her." There is not one Christian Reconstructionist person or organization on the lists you posted (and I think you knew that).
By and large this kerfluffle is over a largely pentecostal variety of Dominionism called the Fivefold Ministry...Largely taken out of context from Cruz's old man selling his kid in large pentecostal settings... speaking their language.
Pentecostalism, from the outside looking in seems kinda kooky on it's own, not to mention layering Fivefold theology on top of it... And the Press had a field day stretching that language and setting well beyond its limits.
Literally much ado about nothing, similar to the ways the Amish are taken as wierdos by those who don't understand them. From within the Pentecostal culture, Fivefold language is far from inflammatory, and really rather bland.. Like any other Christian Restructionist theology.
Seriously a MEH... Till trotted out in alarmist nonsense like that exampled in this thread.
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Cruz not wanting to place Tariffs on anyone would be pretty consistent with his lower tax ideology, so that wouldn't surprise me.
I don't think this makes him a RINO.
His vote on the PPT deal was determined by the EX-IM bank not being a part of it.
It was snuck into at the last minute.
This was the time Cruz called McConnell out, and why he called him out.
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I see some articles & videos have been removed. Here is what I remember about the TTP. Ted Cruz signed it. Later he said, he was lied to and didn't know what he was signing. Isn't he supposed to READ...what he is signing? He is an attorney. He claims NOT TO KNOW, WHAT HE SIGNED. THAT IS WHAT HE IS THERE FOR...as senator, for WE THE PEOPLE. HE DIDN'T READ IT? It was a program for NWO & would destroy America, more. Same with his support of North American UNION. His wife, Heidi, was C.E.O. of that. Cruz is just bidding his time. Nothing to do about helping AMERICANS. SNAKE IN THE GRASS.
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Is Ted Cruz a Dominionist?
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James Holloman
James Hollomon, The USA is headed toward banana republic status if we don't change course.
Updated Jan 23, 2016 · Author has 3.1k answers and 4.4m answer views
Ted Cruz is a member of a strict fundamentalist branch of the Southern Baptist Church with deep roots in Dominionist theology. His father is a noted Dominionist. Here are a sampling of references to read more about his desire to set up a national and eventually world-wide Christian theocratic government.
Ted Cruz, Dominionism and Jesus
The Left Must Accept that Ted Cruz is the Dominionist Messiah
CHILLING Exposé: Ted Cruz & his Dominionist Roots
Born From The Heart of the Dominionist Christian Right
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I Call B.S.
I do not know what you are talking about.
I work nearly just down the street from the Church Ted Cruz attended when he was in High School,
Clay Road at Highway 6.
It isn't some weird Dominionist church, what ever that is.
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I Call B.S.
I do not know what you are talking about.
I work nearly just down the street from the Church Ted Cruz attended when he was in High School,
Clay Road at Highway 6.
It isn't some weird Dominionist church, what ever that is.
The Trump candidancy generated all kind of slime during the '16 primary toward Cruz. And that is now water under the bridge.
OTOH, you have rare types like LA who are gullible enough to believe it.
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The Trump candidancy generated all kind of slime during the '16 primary toward Cruz. And that is now water under the bridge.
OTOH, you have rare types like LA who are gullible enough to believe it.
She ain't the only one who still buys that drink by the barrel.
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She ain't the only one who still buys that drink by the barrel.
lol... Wonder how much longer until she comes out with the "Cruz' dad killed JFK" and "Heidi almost jumped off a bridge" memes?
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lol... Wonder how much longer until she comes out with the "Cruz' dad killed JFK" and "Heidi almost jumped off a bridge" memes?
Man.......I hope not.
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By and large this kerfluffle is over a largely pentecostal variety of Dominionism called the Fivefold Ministry...Largely taken out of context from Cruz's old man selling his kid in large pentecostal settings... speaking their language.
Pentecostalism, from the outside looking in seems kinda kooky on it's own, not to mention layering Fivefold theology on top of it... And the Press had a field day stretching that language and setting well beyond its limits.
Literally much ado about nothing, similar to the ways the Amish are taken as wierdos by those who don't understand them. From within the Pentecostal culture, Fivefold language is far from inflammatory, and really rather bland.. Like any other Christian Restructionist theology.
Seriously a MEH... Till trotted out in alarmist nonsense like that exampled in this thread.
By and large, Christian Reconstructionists are not Pentecostal or Charismatic. Christian Reconstructionists are largely very strongly Calvinist, while most Pentecostals/charismatics are Arminian, and those who are more Calvinist-inclined are not strongly so. Pentecostalism goes back to the early 1900s (1903, IIRC); charismatic historical roots are more vague and include roots in a VERY wide variety of denominations, but stretch back at least to the 1960s. Rousas Rushdoony was probably the pioneer of the Christian Reconstructionism movement, coming from the Orthodox Presbyterian denomination, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._J._Rushdoony#Ministry . He seems to have started in the Reconstructionism direction in the mid 1960s. Among the then well know names of teachers in the charismatic movement, Rushdoony's was not one (I'm speaking from experience in saying this).
Rushdoony used (he died in 2001) language that has been common among Christians for centuries, and was not particularly isolated. But even guilt-by-association doesn't work, because some of his (and his movement's) ideas were and are very mainstream, but those mainstream ideas do not include his core idea of what would amount to theocracy. When one talks of Evangelical Christians, using the term broadly, one is talking about people whose beliefs are on the order of 90% in common. So guilt-by-association that ignores fine distinctions and is based on some aspects of the 90% commonality is absurd, ignorant, or dishonest (IMO, Cruz's accusers are one of the latter two).
"Fivefold Ministry" is a reference to Ephesians 4:11. The idea is that "apostle", "evangelist", "prophet", "pastor", and "teacher" are all still valid ministries within the church. Southern Baptists, generally, would dispute two of those five; Christian Reconstructionists (i.e. "Dominionists") probably would as well.
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By and large, Christian Reconstructionists are not Pentecostal or Charismatic. Christian Reconstructionists are largely very strongly Calvinist [...]
Right. But there is a Pentecostal strain. If you watch the vids in question, they clearly take place in a pentecostal setting. And there is a reason the press constructed this bullshallism around that... It plays far more effectively with tambourines and preachers dressed like Elvis (as it were) than it would, were the congregation members of the staid and stern 'Frozen Chosen'.
[...] while most Pentecostals/charismatics are Arminian [...]
The Calvinist/Arminian divide is incidental to this conversation with the exception of interpretation and application, which is more a Pentecostal v. Evangelical one.
"Fivefold Ministry" is a reference to Ephesians 4:11. The idea is that "apostle", "evangelist", "prophet", "pastor", and "teacher" are all still valid ministries within the church. Southern Baptists, generally, would dispute two of those five; Christian Reconstructionists (i.e. "Dominionists") probably would as well.
Right. As a matter of disclosure, I would probably be considered sorta Arminian anymore, and I would not dispute any of those offices... With serious distinctions from the chunked and formed dogmas on any side.
But, look at how that five-fold ministry translates into the seven-fold ministry, and that in turn used as the basis for the Seven Mountains mandate... The linkage is clear, and by the time you travel that road, you will be very firmly in Pentecostal reconstructionist circles.
And mind you I am not being critical. As a Messianic and a charismatic, I am quite close to our Pentecostal brethren. Knowing their bent, a lot of what would be considered astonishing in their language becomes rather mundane.
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Why would you men do this? You think a woman, who has years of wisdom under her belt, lived the school of hard knocks, does NOT understand things? If I told you that, my slime ex-husband talked a bank official into allowing him into my safe deposit box, you would not believe it. I had this box for my European B.C. , which place, does not exist anymore, my title to my car. I had this box before my marriage to slime ex. His NAME was not on it. Then when I saw he signed the card, later...BTW I had no money in there, I am not sneaky like that, I asked the teller to make a copy of that sign in card. SHE DID. I could have sued the Bank. I didn't. I have the proof that happened. I had no money or anything else in my small box. Why would you men, think I was gullible? I have more story's like this, that actually happened. I bet you all still believe, NO ONE, can get into your safe deposit box. Ever. I am NOT the gullible one. That you even had to write, that, to try & discredit me, Says a lot. Then, as now, that is backwards about TRUMP. Ted Cruz IS SLIME. I saw it happen.
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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #75 on: Today at 12:49:18 PM »
Quote from: catfish1957 on Today at 12:28:56 PM
The Trump candidancy generated all kind of slime during the '16 primary toward Cruz. And that is now water under the bridge.
OTOH, you have rare types like LA who are gullible enough to believe it.
She ain't the only one who still buys that drink by the barrel.
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Why would you men do this?
Why would you turn this into anything to do with gender?
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Why would you turn this into anything to do with gender?
Pretty telling isn't it? Or why she had to infer her life story to make a point. Guess she is accusing us of sexism.
"Ted Cruz is SLIME". I saw it happen. ??????
(figure that one out)
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Pretty telling isn't it? Or why she had to infer her life story to make a point. Guess she is accusing us of sexism.
"Ted Cruz is SLIME". I saw it happen. ??????
(figure that one out)
I know, right?
It feels like a setup to a martyr play...
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@LegalAmerican Please knock off the man-bashing. Roughly half of the TBR Members are men, and the women don't appreciate it either. This is not the first ime you did that.
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Why would you men do this? You think a woman, who has years of wisdom under her belt, lived the school of hard knocks, does NOT understand things? If I told you that, my slime ex-husband talked a bank official into allowing him into my safe deposit box, you would not believe it. I had this box for my European B.C. , which place, does not exist anymore, my title to my car. I had this box before my marriage to slime ex. His NAME was not on it. Then when I saw he signed the card, later...BTW I had no money in there, I am not sneaky like that, I asked the teller to make a copy of that sign in card. SHE DID. I could have sued the Bank. I didn't. I have the proof that happened. I had no money or anything else in my small box. Why would you men, think I was gullible? I have more story's like this, that actually happened. I bet you all still believe, NO ONE, can get into your safe deposit box. Ever. I am NOT the gullible one. That you even had to write, that, to try & discredit me, Says a lot. Then, as now, that is backwards about TRUMP. Ted Cruz IS SLIME. I saw it happen.
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Gender Card Played. :silly: :silly: :tongue2: :tongue2: And laughed at.
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Poor character isn’t inclusive to a particular gender. Men have their own ex wife/girlfriend stories, too. Boy, could we start a raging thread over this subject.
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Poor character isn’t inclusive to a particular gender. Men have their own ex wife/girlfriend stories, too. Boy, could we start a raging thread over this subject.
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Pretty telling isn't it? Or why she had to infer her life story to make a point. Guess she is accusing us of sexism.
"Ted Cruz is SLIME". I saw it happen. ??????
(figure that one out)
It ain’t the first time sweet thang has posted about blaming men. Probably explains her very curious devotion to trump...because according to her (and yes she posted this the other day), he’s “perfectâ€.
And I just reread her original post. I’ve got to take serious exception to the phrase “years of wisdom under her beltâ€
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If this turns into a man-bashing/woman-bashing thread...so help me God....
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If this turns into a man-bashing/woman-bashing thread...so help me God....
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@Cyber Liberty
You can then Merge it with the Bush thread and what fun we will have!!!!
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Poor character isn’t inclusive to a particular gender. Men have their own ex wife/girlfriend stories, too. Boy, could we start a raging thread over this subject.
@aligncare
But I’d win because my first wife was the spawn of Satan...so there’s really no point.
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And I just reread her original post. I’ve got to take serious exception to the phrase “years of wisdom under her beltâ€
My belt takes serious exception to that. It shrank over the past 6 weeks by a couple inches. I think it's in league with the pants that are shrinking in my closet.
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@LegalAmerican Please knock off the man-bashing. Roughly half of the TBR Members are men, and the women don't appreciate it either. This is not the first ime you did that.
Where was I man-bashing? BOTH OF YOU MEN, WERE DOING THAT..TO ME. I LOVE MEN. I AM A HETERO WOMAN.
LIST THE BASH? I need to know, so I can stop doing that. I don't bash men. I support them. Catfish is male & so is Cyber, right? The Axlesrod is male? It was two men who called me gullible & Alexrod is a male, ? who takes exception to my 'wisdom under my belt". Just stating some facts. I don't believe in bashing either side. Then, why were those comments made to me? I give up.
Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #75 on: Today at 12:49:18 PM »
Quote from: catfish1957 on Today at 12:28:56 PM
The Trump candidancy generated all kind of slime during the '16 primary toward Cruz. And that is now water under the bridge.
OTOH, you have rare types like LA who are gullible enough to believe it.=CATFISH
She ain't the only one who still buys that drink by the barrel.= CYBER
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@Cyber Liberty
You can then Merge it with the Bush thread and what fun we will have!!!!
That would make it the 54 page "Thread from Hell."
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Poor character isn’t inclusive to a particular gender. Men have their own ex wife/girlfriend stories, too. Boy, could we start a raging thread over this subject.
True. I agree. 888high58888
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I’m reminded of a joke.
Why was Minnie Mouse kicked out of Disney World?
Because she was f*cking goofy.
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I’m reminded of a joke.
Why was Minnie Mouse kicked out of Disney World?
Because she was f*cking goofy.
Was Minnie a woman? 888mouth 888mouth 888mouth
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Was Minnie a woman? 888mouth 888mouth 888mouth
Is she? 66minnie
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Victim Card played. :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :tongue2: :tongue2: :tongue2: :tongue2: :tongue2:
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@aligncare
But I’d win because my first wife was the spawn of Satan...so there’s really no point.
He had a litter...
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@aligncare
But I’d win because my first wife was the spawn of Satan...so there’s really no point.
Huh... Small world. I think I married her sister...
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Huh... Small world. I think I married her sister...
Like I said, they had a litter.
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Now that I see source, not worth reading or responding to.
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Like I said, they had a litter.
Funny I didn't see you guys at her family's reunions. :shrug: :whistle:
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Funny I didn't see you guys at her family's reunions. :shrug: :whistle:
You can't put that many spawns of Satan in one place. They would reach critical mass.
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You are free to disagree, but the proposed North American Union did not have anything to do with South America. It comprised Canada, the United States, and Mexico, going from north to south.
I also happened to see the CNN broadcast about how Carson was dropping out and going home, before one of Cruz's staffers tweeted that he had dropped out based on CNN's erroneous information.
I know what was going on.
Trump had sucked up to the Governor and GOP of Iowa over enforcing Ethanol mandates, and Cruz has said he'd remove them and let the market decide.
It's a big issue in Iowa, and the Governor's son was employed in the Ethanol Lobby, and the Governor himself was credited with the statement that 'Cruz had to be defeated, whatever it takes' over that exact issue, even as Cruz had convinced farmers otherwise in a brillinat ground game.
Cruz won the primary and the sh*tstorm started, complete with "lyin' ted' and the Pecker* at National Enquirer releasing hit pieces throughout the primary season aimed at specific regional audiences in time for their primaries in a well timed and executed smear campaign that even lied about Cruz's wife and father.
*https://www.businessinsider.com/david-pecker-bio-photos-national-enquirer-publisher-bezos-trump-links (https://www.businessinsider.com/david-pecker-bio-photos-national-enquirer-publisher-bezos-trump-links)
Thank you. The lies have gotten old. It is amazing the people that continue these lies when the truth right there in front of them.
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You can't put that many spawns of Satan in one place. They would reach critical mass.
Alright. I get some credit here, because there's a Catholic joke in there somewhere, and I didn't winnow it out... Nope I didn't go there, even though I could have. :whistle:
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Alright. I get some credit here, because there's a Catholic joke in there somewhere, and I didn't winnow it out... Nope I didn't go there, even though I could have. :whistle:
You ar a very wise Mountain Man. Welcome on my porch any time you like!
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Thank you. The lies have gotten old. It is amazing the people that continue these lies when the truth right there in front of them.
People see the truths they want, and ignore overwhelming evidence otherwise. It's human nature. Being objective, truly objective is really hard to do because it requires detaching your self, emotionally, often from even your own ideas.
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I also happened to see the CNN broadcast about how Carson was dropping out and going home, before one of Cruz's staffers tweeted that he had dropped out based on CNN's erroneous information.
@DB @Smokin Joe
That's the one part that is always omitted by both sides of the Hate Cruztm crowd.
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@DB @Smokin Joe
That's the one part that is always omitted by both sides of the Hate Cruztm crowd.
Sure it is. It eviscerates the whole "Lyin' Ted" smear.
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Lady Lindsey and Ted Cruz have always been self-serving RINO bastids.
They just pretend to be conservatives around election time.
Damn shame because as much as I hate to admit it,they are two of the brightest people in the US Senate.
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@DB @Smokin Joe
That's the one part that is always omitted by both sides of the Hate Cruztm crowd.
I saw this live too.
I remember where I was, because I was annoyed that CNN was on.
I heard it and read it.
They had the sound and closed captioning on.
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I saw this live too.
I remember where I was, because I was annoyed that CNN was on.
I heard it and read it.
They had the sound and closed captioning on.
Whatcha gonna believe? The propaganda or your lying eyes LOL
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Whatcha gonna believe? The propaganda or your lying eyes LOL
I'll go with my own lying eyes.
That Mk 1 eyeball has seen a lot others missed over the years.
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0A and 99
Whatcha gonna believe? The propaganda or your lying eyes LOL
My wife and I went to a local Mexican restaurant, called Carmelito's that night.
Sugar Land/Richmond, at Hwy 90A & 99.
After CNN did their report, I turned to my wife and said "Looks Like Carson is dropping out of the race".
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Ted Cruz is an establishment "Libertarian" and NOT a true Republican. He did indeed support all the children crossing the southern border under the obama admin. The leader of the "Libertarian Party" who was "Ron Paul" put Ted Cruz above his own son Rand Paul as a leading libertarian politician, "TRUE". Now that Donald Trump is president Ted Cruz has to chew his cud quietly or get trampled by Donald Trump supporters whom are, "THE TEA PARTY". Ted Cruz keeps his libertarian B.S. to himself or get voted out as he only won by a handful of votes in both his elections. He almost lost his last election.
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Ted Cruz is an establishment "Libertarian" and NOT a true Republican. He did indeed support all the children crossing the southern border under the obama admin. The leader of the "Libertarian Party" who was "Ron Paul" put Ted Cruz above his own son Rand Paul as a leading libertarian politician, "TRUE". Now that Donald Trump is president Ted Cruz has to chew his cud quietly or get trampled by Donald Trump supporters whom are, "THE TEA PARTY". Ted Cruz keeps his libertarian B.S. to himself or get voted out as he only won by a handful of votes in both his elections. He almost lost his last election.
OH SWELL. Another true believer. Explain TEN FRIGGIN TRILLION DOLLARS Mr. Taxed Enough Already.
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Ted Cruz is an establishment "Libertarian" and NOT a true Republican. He did indeed support all the children crossing the southern border under the obama admin. The leader of the "Libertarian Party" who was "Ron Paul" put Ted Cruz above his own son Rand Paul as a leading libertarian politician, "TRUE". Now that Donald Trump is president Ted Cruz has to chew his cud quietly or get trampled by Donald Trump supporters whom are, "THE TEA PARTY". Ted Cruz keeps his libertarian B.S. to himself or get voted out as he only won by a handful of votes in both his elections. He almost lost his last election.
Well, hello and welcome to the Briefing Room.
After reading your first post, I'm not sure if you're testing the waters, trying to make a point, or just trying to stir the pot. At any rate, I find your commentary 'interesting' ... Ron Paul put Ted Cruz above his own son as a leading Libertarian? I'd love to know how you came about that information as well as the information that Cruz supported ALL the children crossing the southern border. Supported how??
Do you know Cruz's background and how he came to be in the Senate??
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@Hat In Ring
Welcome to TBR! I think you will find some vigorous debate!
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@Hat In Ring
Welcome to TBR! I think you will find some vigorous debate!
...hmm.... do ya think?? :silly:
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Ted Cruz is an establishment "Libertarian" and NOT a true Republican. He did indeed support all the children crossing the southern border under the obama admin. The leader of the "Libertarian Party" who was "Ron Paul" put Ted Cruz above his own son Rand Paul as a leading libertarian politician, "TRUE". Now that Donald Trump is president Ted Cruz has to chew his cud quietly or get trampled by Donald Trump supporters whom are, "THE TEA PARTY". Ted Cruz keeps his libertarian B.S. to himself or get voted out as he only won by a handful of votes in both his elections. He almost lost his last election.
888mouth
At least this time.
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OH SWELL. Another true believer. Explain TEN FRIGGIN TRILLION DOLLARS Mr. Taxed Enough Already.
Yeah TEA alright, In his case, I am guessing the mushroom variety.
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@Hat In Ring
Welcome to TBR! I think you will find some vigorous debate!
Thanks! Maybe I will have to build a wall to keep that vigorous from stomping on me to no end. 22222frying pan
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...hmm.... do ya think?? :silly:
Nnnnnyyyya Could Be!
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Thanks! Maybe I will have to build a wall to keep that vigorous from stomping on me to no end. 22222frying pan
It's just part of the game. You get used to it.... rrthree
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Thanks! Maybe I will have to build a wall to keep that vigorous from stomping on me to no end. 22222frying pan
Welcome to TBR...
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Thanks! Maybe I will have to build a wall to keep that vigorous from stomping on me to no end. 22222frying pan
I think you'll find us to be a 'lively' group with all kinds of differences of opinion; no need to build a wall.
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Well, hello and welcome to the Briefing Room.
After reading your first post, I'm not sure if you're testing the waters, trying to make a point, or just trying to stir the pot. At any rate, I find your commentary 'interesting' ... Ron Paul put Ted Cruz above his own son as a leading Libertarian? I'd love to know how you came about that information as well as the information that Cruz supported ALL the children crossing the southern border. Supported how??
Do you know Cruz's background and how he came to be in the Senate??
Hello Libertybele;
First of all I like to hobby write and I do research what I write to some extent. I deal in reality and reality requires lots of research especially when there's so much fake news around.
Here's the link to where I got the info that Ted Cruz is a rino libertarian. The article even states Ted Cruz is more libertarian than Rand Paul.
http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/ron-paul-endorses-ted-cruz-for-president/#ixzz3pz7HIaT0 (http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/ron-paul-endorses-ted-cruz-for-president/#ixzz3pz7HIaT0)
As for the illegal alien children, Ted Cruz and Dana Lousch took toys down to the border to welcome them then stated their support for all the children crossing. The Tea Party was so pissed off. Where were you Libertybele? Yes I know. I work from home and all I have on is Fox News and post on forums between researching articles I write. I follow the news and politics more than most.
OK, Ted Cruz is a "Libertarian Republican Rino" and he did support amnesty back in 2013. Here's another link;
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/11/ted_cruz_called_for_legalizing_illegal_aliensin_2013.html (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/11/ted_cruz_called_for_legalizing_illegal_aliensin_2013.html)
https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/gop-primaries/265014-trump-cruz-supported-amnesty (https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/gop-primaries/265014-trump-cruz-supported-amnesty)
Eveyone knows Ted Cruz supports amnesty as all libertarians do with the democrats. Sure, there's stories about Ron Paul not liking Ted Cruz and Ted Cruz not supporting amnesty but these story's are just to B.S. everyone and many people believe these fake news stories that support Ted Cruz. How is the libertarian party going to work their agenda of cheap labor through illegal immigrants into the picture when all of us Donald Trump Tea Party supporters want ALL illegal aliens " DEPORTED ". Through B.S. of course! Libertarians have their own media also. Us Tea Party Trump supporters have maybe 1 media outlet in our favor.
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Hello Libertybele;
First of all I like to hobby write and I do research what I write to some extent. I deal in reality and reality requires lots of research especially when there's so much fake news around.
Here's the link to where I got the info that Ted Cruz is a rino libertarian. The article even states Ted Cruz is more libertarian than Rand Paul.
http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/ron-paul-endorses-ted-cruz-for-president/#ixzz3pz7HIaT0 (http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/ron-paul-endorses-ted-cruz-for-president/#ixzz3pz7HIaT0)
As for the illegal alien children, Ted Cruz and Dana Lousch took toys down to the border to welcome them then stated their support for all the children crossing. The Tea Party was so pissed off. Where were you Libertybele? Yes I know. I work from home and all I have on is Fox News and post on forums between researching articles I write. I follow the news and politics more than most.
OK, Ted Cruz is a "Libertarian Republican Rino" and he did support amnesty back in 2013. Here's another link;
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/11/ted_cruz_called_for_legalizing_illegal_aliensin_2013.html (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/11/ted_cruz_called_for_legalizing_illegal_aliensin_2013.html)
https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/gop-primaries/265014-trump-cruz-supported-amnesty (https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/gop-primaries/265014-trump-cruz-supported-amnesty)
Eveyone knows Ted Cruz supports amnesty as all libertarians do with the democrats. Sure, there's stories about Ron Paul not liking Ted Cruz and Ted Cruz not supporting amnesty but these story's are just to B.S. everyone and many people believe these fake news stories that support Ted Cruz. How is the libertarian party going to work their agenda of cheap labor through illegal immigrants into the picture when all of us Donald Trump Tea Party supporters want ALL illegal aliens " DEPORTED ". Through B.S. of course! Libertarians have their own media also. Us Tea Party Trump supporters have maybe 1 media outlet in our favor.
Well, @Hat In Ring It's roughly 11:00 p.m. where I'm at and I don't want to be up for several more hours back and forth on this .... but I will get back to you on this one when I get a chance.
Just for starters though, the "Libertarian Republic" ... now that's a news source without a slant /s
Everyone knows Ted supports amnesty?? Well, I am not everyone and I think Ted would make an excellent President and then I'd like to see him seated on the SCOTUS bench.
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Well, @Hat In Ring It's roughly 11:00 p.m. where I'm at and I don't want to be up for several more hours back and forth on this .... but I will get back to you on this one when I get a chance.
Just for starters though, the "Libertarian Republic" ... now that's a news source without a slant /s
Everyone knows Ted supports amnesty?? Well, I am not everyone and I think Ted would make an excellent President and then I'd like to see him seated on the SCOTUS bench.
Hi Libertybele;
Hope you get a good rest tonight.
I support your right to choose but after Ted Cruz is " GONE " from the Republican Party :yowsa:
Ted Cruz is falsely being billed as a Republican to get votes and that's just FAKE and WRONG. I support your right to choose and vote for Ted Cruz when he declares himself a true libertarian as he rightfully is. Any FAKE candidate falsely running in a political party different from the candidates beliefs is FAKE AND PHONY and should NEVER be let to take an elected office. I hope we can agree on this Libertybele in all fairness and honesty.
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Hi Libertybele;
Hope you get a good rest tonight.
I support your right to choose but after Ted Cruz is " GONE " from the Republican Party :yowsa:
Ted Cruz is falsely being billed as a Republican to get votes and that's just FAKE and WRONG. I support your right to choose and vote for Ted Cruz when he declares himself a true libertarian as he rightfully is. Any FAKE candidate falsely running in a political party different from the candidates beliefs is FAKE AND PHONY and should NEVER be let to take an elected office. I hope we can agree on this Libertybele in all fairness and honesty.
I think you have an interesting perspective, and I look forward to fleshing it out in the days and weeks to come.
:2popcorn:
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I think you have an interesting perspective, and I look forward to fleshing it out in the days and weeks to come.
:2popcorn:
Do you really think Impeaching Donald Trump again will kill the democrat party forever?
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Ted Cruz is an establishment "Libertarian" and NOT a true Republican. He did indeed support all the children crossing the southern border under the obama admin. The leader of the "Libertarian Party" who was "Ron Paul" put Ted Cruz above his own son Rand Paul as a leading libertarian politician, "TRUE". Now that Donald Trump is president Ted Cruz has to chew his cud quietly or get trampled by Donald Trump supporters whom are, "THE TEA PARTY". Ted Cruz keeps his libertarian B.S. to himself or get voted out as he only won by a handful of votes in both his elections. He almost lost his last election.
I feel sure you'll provide credible links to this stuff you're saying? Otherwise all you're doing is pulling stuff out of your fourth point of contact.
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OK, Ted Cruz is a "Libertarian Republican Rino" and he did support amnesty back in 2013. Here's another link;
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/11/ted_cruz_called_for_legalizing_illegal_aliensin_2013.html (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/11/ted_cruz_called_for_legalizing_illegal_aliensin_2013.html)
Eveyone knows Ted Cruz supports amnesty as all libertarians do with the democrats. Sure, there's stories about Ron Paul not liking Ted Cruz and Ted Cruz not supporting amnesty but these story's are just to B.S. everyone and many people believe these fake news stories that support Ted Cruz. How is the libertarian party going to work their agenda of cheap labor through illegal immigrants into the picture when all of us Donald Trump Tea Party supporters want ALL illegal aliens " DEPORTED ". Through B.S. of course! Libertarians have their own media also. Us Tea Party Trump supporters have maybe 1 media outlet in our favor.
Sorry but Cruz was playing to kill the Bill of Eight at the time... He added those things to kill the bill and even Jeff Sessions said so. Ted Cruz said so... on his own page (which I had bookmarked but it seems to have gone blank unfortunately). He planted a "poison pill" to kill the Gang of Eight bill.
Listen to Jeff Sessions talk about this (and even though he was vying for a spot with Trump at the time, he was honorable and admitted Cruz was fighting the good fight). Not only that, but that the bill would of passed without Ted Cruz's scheming to stop it. Sessions at 5:15 in video says it as clear as day. He says to thank Ted Cruz for what he did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umhneqW41Ig (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umhneqW41Ig)
@Hat In Ring
BTW... Welcome to TBR....
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I think you'll find us to be a 'lively' group with all kinds of differences of opinion; no need to build a wall.
Yeah... Not like it will ever get done anyhow... *****rollingeyes***** :laugh:
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Yeah TEA alright, In his case, I am guessing the mushroom variety.
Koolaid on the train ride to Tumpytown.
Words mean things. TEA and TEN FRIGGIN TRILLION DOLLARS do not go together no matter how you mash it around.
rah rah. *****rollingeyes*****
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Do you really think Impeaching Donald Trump again will kill the democrat party forever?
I don't. Forever is a long time. The Rat's lust for power will take more than a few political miscalculations.
Besides, the establishment Republicans are not the type to administer a Coup de Gras. They'll rescue the Rat Party if it's drowning, and resuscitate it if it stops breathing. One half of the Uniparty needs the other to maintain the fiction they are any different in priorities.
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Koolaid on the train ride to Tumpytown.
Words mean things. TEA and TEN FRIGGIN TRILLION DOLLARS do not go together no matter how you mash it around.
rah rah. *****rollingeyes*****
Just blows me away, that we now in the period of a couple of days now actually have two people here spouting off the excrement from Stone-Pecker 2016 Smear Machine. Debunkment be damned. (apologies to Merriam-Webster)
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I don't. Forever is a long time. The Rat's lust for power will take more than a few political miscalculations.
Besides, the establishment Republicans are not the type to administer a Coup de Gras. They'll rescue the Rat Party if it's drowning, and resuscitate it if it stops breathing. One half of the Uniparty needs the other to maintain the fiction they are any different in priorities.
@Cyber Liberty
Why wouldn't they? The Dims are their business partners,and without them the RINO's are out of business and would have to find actual jobs.
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Just blows me away, that we now in the period of a couple of days now actually have two people here spouting off the excrement from Stone-Pecker 2016 Smear Machine. Debunkment be damned. (apologies to Merriam-Webster)
Like with liberals, they must think saying it makes it true.
What tis the really hilarious part, is the eeeeevil libertarian, Ted Cruz.
I guess these folks never heard of a guy named Goldwater
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Just blows me away, that we now in the period of a couple of days now actually have two people here spouting off the excrement from Stone-Pecker 2016 Smear Machine. Debunkment be damned. (apologies to Merriam-Webster)
@catfish1957 you don't think one crazy invited the other here do you?
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Well, @Hat In Ring It's roughly 11:00 p.m. where I'm at and I don't want to be up for several more hours back and forth on this .... but I will get back to you on this one when I get a chance.
Just for starters though, the "Libertarian Republic" ... now that's a news source without a slant /s
Everyone knows Ted supports amnesty?? Well, I am not everyone and I think Ted would make an excellent President and then I'd like to see him seated on the SCOTUS bench.
@libertybele What out newest member is espousing about Ted Cruz is pure barnyard excrement. I watched the video and Cruz is actually not advocating for illegals and he doesn't support amnesty. It's the opposite. He's point out what the people sponsoring the bill he's discussing want. He's not advocating for what they are proposing.
But hey...when have we ever known the Hate Cruztm crowd to ever be honest in their portrayal of anything Cruz does or says?
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@libertybele What out newest member is espousing about Ted Cruz is pure barnyard excrement. I watched the video and Cruz is actually not advocating for illegals and he doesn't support amnesty. It's the opposite. He's point out what the people sponsoring the bill he's discussing want. He's not advocating for what they are proposing.
But hey...when have we ever known the Hate Cruztm crowd to ever be honest in their portrayal of anything Cruz does or says?
You are right, of course.
Taken way out of context to prove a point Cruz wasn't making.
Maybe the newer members do not think we are intelligent enough to realize this.
Most people who think those on this site are not intelligent usually come from the opposition.
Usually.......
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@catfish1957 you don't think one crazy invited the other here do you?
Probably two refugees who fell off the TOS Mothership.
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You are right, of course.
Taken way out of context to prove a point Cruz wasn't making.
Maybe the newer members do not think we are intelligent enough to realize this.
Most people who think those on this site are not intelligent usually come from the opposition.
Usually.......
:cool:
Thank you. :beer:
I never underestimate the homegrown ones though...
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@libertybele What out newest member is espousing about Ted Cruz is pure barnyard excrement. I watched the video and Cruz is actually not advocating for illegals and he doesn't support amnesty. It's the opposite. He's point out what the people sponsoring the bill he's discussing want. He's not advocating for what they are proposing.
But hey...when have we ever known the Hate Cruztm crowd to ever be honest in their portrayal of anything Cruz does or says?
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You are right, of course.
Taken way out of context to prove a point Cruz wasn't making.
Maybe the newer members do not think we are intelligent enough to realize this.
Most people who think those on this site are not intelligent usually come from the opposition.
Usually.......
:cool:
Sneaky libertarians didn't vote for Trump. They protect their own by flaming the opposition on a thread.
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I assiduously have stayed out of the Cruz wars as long as Cruz has stayed to the right of center (exactly how right of center to be determined by the voters that know him best.)
But, the glimpse I got of him in the ‘16 election showed a smart, scholarly guy, knows the constitution inside and out—probably would shine on the court. But if he’s still thinking presidency, maybe not the kind of personality to excite the mix of voters that make up the GOP and those that vote GOP.
But, listen to me, regarding Cruz, I’m Switzerland. So, leave me out of this.
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Sneaky libertarians didn't vote for Trump. They protect their own by flaming the opposition on a thread.
Is this the first signs of a martyr complex?
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The assumptions that most are making is:
1. The political parties want to act in the nations best interst, AND
2. The politicians genuinely desire to act in our best interstes.
The parties want power and money and use the politicians to sell their diatribe to the masses so we give them power and money.
All of the talk about rinos's, libertarians, libs, etc really has no value, it is us against them, plain and simple.
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Is this the first signs of a martyr complex?
Martyr? Maybe a dreaded Republican that doesn't go along with the libertarian point of view that will eventually be removed but not a Martyr. ****slapping
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Republicans are already looking at future presidential candidates after Donald Trump wins his second term and only people in his likeness are being considered. No mentions of that cast of 16 BOZO'S he primaried against in 2016. Ben Carson is considered because he works well with Trump and will have 8 years of training under Trump.
The Republican party has many great rising possibilities after Trump wins his second term and none of them are your so called, "Liberty Candidates". Sure, your liberty candidates can run but getting Trumps voter base that's needed to win will never happen. I've even run into many libertarians that have jumped off the libertarian bandwagon and are voting for Trump.
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Welcome to TBR @Hat In Ring
You do make some compelling arguments in you first foray into this Jungle.
Kudos are in order.
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I assiduously have stayed out of the Cruz wars as long as Cruz has stayed to the right of center (exactly how right of center to be determined by the voters that know him best.)
But, the glimpse I got of him in the ‘16 election showed a smart, scholarly guy, knows the constitution inside and out—probably would shine on the court. But if he’s still thinking presidency, maybe not the kind of personality to excite the mix of voters that make up the GOP and those that vote GOP.
But, listen to me, regarding Cruz, I’m Switzerland. So, leave me out of this.
IMO, his latest book which he's currently hawking is an audition for SCOTUS.
It's probably where he belongs, because when the pendulum swings back to the Democrats' favor he'll be a strong Constitutional voice.
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TED is a CONSTITUTIONAL CONSERVATIVE, and against amnesty
https://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Ted_Cruz.htm (https://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Ted_Cruz.htm)
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/ted-cruz-believe-candidate-stands-10-issues (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/ted-cruz-believe-candidate-stands-10-issues)
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/18/us/politics/ted-cruz-conservative.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/18/us/politics/ted-cruz-conservative.html)
www.politico.com/story/2016/01/cruz-pummels-trump-on-immigration-217948 (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/cruz-pummels-trump-on-immigration-217948)
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/12/20/jeff_sessions_without_ted_cruz_amnesty_would_have_passed_in_2013.html (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/12/20/jeff_sessions_without_ted_cruz_amnesty_would_have_passed_in_2013.html)
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/20/ted-cruz-stock-rises-trump-base-after-amnesty-betr/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/20/ted-cruz-stock-rises-trump-base-after-amnesty-betr/)
https://www.tedcruz.org/stop-amnesty/ (https://www.tedcruz.org/stop-amnesty/)
https://www.chron.com/politics/texas/article/Ted-Cruz-predicts-Republicans-will-lose-Congress-12616447.php (https://www.chron.com/politics/texas/article/Ted-Cruz-predicts-Republicans-will-lose-Congress-12616447.php)
Background:
Cruz graduated cum laude from Princeton University in 1992 with a Bachelor of Arts in public policy[26] from the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs. While at Princeton, he competed for the American Whig-Cliosophic Society's Debate Panel and won the top speaker award at both the 1992 U.S. National Debating Championship and the 1992 North American Debating Championship.[28] In 1992, he was named U.S. National Speaker of the Year and, with his debate partner David Panton, Team of the Year by the American Parliamentary Debate Association. Cruz and Panton later represented Harvard Law School at the 1995 World Debating Championship, losing in the semifinals to a team from Australia. Princeton's debate team named their annual novice championship after Cruz.
Cruz's senior thesis at Princeton investigated the separation of powers; its title, Clipping the Wings of Angels, was inspired by a passage attributed to James Madison: "If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary." Cruz argued that the drafters of the Constitution intended to protect their constituents' rights, and that the last two items in the Bill of Rights offer an explicit stop against an all-powerful state.
After graduating from Princeton, Cruz attended Harvard Law School, graduating magna cum laude in 1995 with a Juris Doctor degree.While at Harvard Law, he was a primary editor of the Harvard Law Review, an executive editor of the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy, and a founding editor of the Harvard Latino Law Review. Referring to Cruz's time as a student at Harvard Law, Professor Alan Dershowitz said, "Cruz was off-the-charts brilliant". At Harvard Law, Cruz was a John M. Olin Fellow in Law and Economics.
Cruz holds degrees in public policy and law from Princeton University and Harvard Law School, respectively. From 1999 to 2003, he held various government positions, serving as Director of the Office of Policy Planning at the Federal Trade Commission (FTC), as an Associate Deputy Attorney General at the United States Department of Justice, and as a Domestic Policy Advisor to George W. Bush during Bush's 2000 presidential campaign. Cruz served as Solicitor General of Texas from 2003 to 2008, having been appointed by Texas Attorney General and later Governor Greg Abbott. He was the longest-serving solicitor general in Texas history and the first Hispanic American to serve in that capacity. From 2004 to 2009, Cruz was an adjunct professor at the University of Texas School of Law in Austin, where he taught U.S. Supreme Court litigation.
Appointed to the office of Solicitor General of Texas by Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott,[40][47] Cruz served in that position from 2003 to 2008. The office was established in 1999 to handle appeals involving the state, but Abbott hired Cruz with the idea that Cruz would take a "leadership role in the United States in articulating a vision of strict constructionism". As Solicitor General, Cruz argued before the Supreme Court of the United States nine times, winning five cases and losing four.[43]
Cruz authored 70 U.S. Supreme Court briefs and presented 43 oral arguments. His nine appearances before the Supreme Court are the most by any practicing lawyer in Texas or current member of Congress. Cruz has said, "We ended up year after year arguing some of the biggest cases in the country. There was a degree of serendipity in that, but there was also a concerted effort to seek out and lead conservative fights."
In 2003, while Cruz was Texas Solicitor General, the Texas Attorney General's office declined to defend Texas's sodomy law in Lawrence v. Texas, in which the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that state laws banning homosexual sex were unconstitutional.
In the landmark case of District of Columbia v. Heller, Cruz drafted the amicus brief signed by the attorneys general of 31 states arguing that the Washington, D.C. handgun ban should be struck down as infringing upon the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. He also presented oral argument for the amici states in the companion case to Heller before the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit.
Cruz at the Values Voters Summit in October 2011
In addition to his success in Heller, Cruz successfully defended the constitutionality of the Ten Commandments monument on the Texas State Capitol grounds before the Fifth Circuit and the U.S. Supreme Court, winning 5–4 in Van Orden v. Perry.[34][38][48]
In 2004, Cruz was involved in the high-profile case surrounding a challenge to the constitutionality of public schools' requiring students to recite the Pledge of Allegiance (including the words "under God", legally a part of the Pledge since 1954), Elk Grove Unified School District v. Newdow.[34][38] He wrote a brief on behalf of all 50 states that argued that the plaintiff, a non-custodial parent, did not have standing to file suit on his daughter's behalf. The Supreme Court upheld the position of Cruz's brief.
Cruz served as lead counsel for the state and successfully defended the multiple litigation challenges to the 2003 Texas congressional redistricting plan in state and federal district courts and before the U.S. Supreme Court, which was decided 5–4 in his favor in League of United Latin American Citizens v. Perry.
In Medellin v. Texas, Cruz successfully defended Texas against an attempt to reopen the cases of 51 Mexican nationals, all of whom were convicted of murder in the United States and on death row. With the support of the George W. Bush Administration, the petitioners argued that the United States had violated the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations by failing to notify the convicted nationals of their opportunity to receive legal aid from the Mexican consulate. They based their case on a decision of the International Court of Justice in the Avena case, which ruled that by failing to allow access to the Mexican consulate, the US had breached its obligations under the Convention. Texas won the case in a 6–3 decision, the Supreme Court holding that ICJ decisions were not binding in domestic law and that the President had no power to enforce them.
In 2012, Cruz ran for and won the U.S. Senate seat being vacated by fellow Republican Kay Bailey Hutchison. He is the first Hispanic American to serve as a U.S. Senator from Texas. In 2016, Cruz ran for President of the United States, winning Republican contests in 12 states before withdrawing from the race. He was reelected to the Senate in 2018, defeating Democratic challenger Beto O'Rourke by a slim margin of 50.9% to 48.3% in the most expensive Senate race in U.S. history. Along with Bob Menendez and Marco Rubio, Cruz is one of three current U.S. Senators of Cuban descent.
Autobigoraphy: An excellent book that I read in one day/night -- I couldn't put it down. (Highly recommend)
"A Time For Truth" Reigniting the Promise of America
https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/42563938-a-time-for-truth-reigniting-the-promise-of-america (https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/42563938-a-time-for-truth-reigniting-the-promise-of-america)
Cruz Interview with the Sierra Club
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl9-tY1oZNw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl9-tY1oZNw#)
Cruz Accuses McConnell of Lying on Export-Import Bank
www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu77aiLXTNQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu77aiLXTNQ#)
Ted Cruz "Imagine Speech" - I love TED!!!!!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed27KkNlL9w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed27KkNlL9w#)
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TED is a CONSTITUTIONAL CONSERVATIVE, and against amnesty
https://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Ted_Cruz.htm (https://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Ted_Cruz.htm)
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/ted-cruz-believe-candidate-stands-10-issues (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/ted-cruz-believe-candidate-stands-10-issues)
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/18/us/politics/ted-cruz-conservative.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/18/us/politics/ted-cruz-conservative.html)
www.politico.com/story/2016/01/cruz-pummels-trump-on-immigration-217948 (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/cruz-pummels-trump-on-immigration-217948)
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/12/20/jeff_sessions_without_ted_cruz_amnesty_would_have_passed_in_2013.html (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/12/20/jeff_sessions_without_ted_cruz_amnesty_would_have_passed_in_2013.html)
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/20/ted-cruz-stock-rises-trump-base-after-amnesty-betr/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/20/ted-cruz-stock-rises-trump-base-after-amnesty-betr/)
https://www.tedcruz.org/stop-amnesty/ (https://www.tedcruz.org/stop-amnesty/)
https://www.chron.com/politics/texas/article/Ted-Cruz-predicts-Republicans-will-lose-Congress-12616447.php (https://www.chron.com/politics/texas/article/Ted-Cruz-predicts-Republicans-will-lose-Congress-12616447.php)
Background:
Cruz graduated cum laude from Princeton University in 1992 with a Bachelor of Arts in public policy[26] from the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs. While at Princeton, he competed for the American Whig-Cliosophic Society's Debate Panel and won the top speaker award at both the 1992 U.S. National Debating Championship and the 1992 North American Debating Championship.[28] In 1992, he was named U.S. National Speaker of the Year and, with his debate partner David Panton, Team of the Year by the American Parliamentary Debate Association. Cruz and Panton later represented Harvard Law School at the 1995 World Debating Championship, losing in the semifinals to a team from Australia. Princeton's debate team named their annual novice championship after Cruz.
Cruz's senior thesis at Princeton investigated the separation of powers; its title, Clipping the Wings of Angels, was inspired by a passage attributed to James Madison: "If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary." Cruz argued that the drafters of the Constitution intended to protect their constituents' rights, and that the last two items in the Bill of Rights offer an explicit stop against an all-powerful state.
After graduating from Princeton, Cruz attended Harvard Law School, graduating magna cum laude in 1995 with a Juris Doctor degree.While at Harvard Law, he was a primary editor of the Harvard Law Review, an executive editor of the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy, and a founding editor of the Harvard Latino Law Review. Referring to Cruz's time as a student at Harvard Law, Professor Alan Dershowitz said, "Cruz was off-the-charts brilliant". At Harvard Law, Cruz was a John M. Olin Fellow in Law and Economics.
Cruz holds degrees in public policy and law from Princeton University and Harvard Law School, respectively. From 1999 to 2003, he held various government positions, serving as Director of the Office of Policy Planning at the Federal Trade Commission (FTC), as an Associate Deputy Attorney General at the United States Department of Justice, and as a Domestic Policy Advisor to George W. Bush during Bush's 2000 presidential campaign. Cruz served as Solicitor General of Texas from 2003 to 2008, having been appointed by Texas Attorney General and later Governor Greg Abbott. He was the longest-serving solicitor general in Texas history and the first Hispanic American to serve in that capacity. From 2004 to 2009, Cruz was an adjunct professor at the University of Texas School of Law in Austin, where he taught U.S. Supreme Court litigation.
Appointed to the office of Solicitor General of Texas by Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott,[40][47] Cruz served in that position from 2003 to 2008. The office was established in 1999 to handle appeals involving the state, but Abbott hired Cruz with the idea that Cruz would take a "leadership role in the United States in articulating a vision of strict constructionism". As Solicitor General, Cruz argued before the Supreme Court of the United States nine times, winning five cases and losing four.[43]
Cruz authored 70 U.S. Supreme Court briefs and presented 43 oral arguments. His nine appearances before the Supreme Court are the most by any practicing lawyer in Texas or current member of Congress. Cruz has said, "We ended up year after year arguing some of the biggest cases in the country. There was a degree of serendipity in that, but there was also a concerted effort to seek out and lead conservative fights."
In 2003, while Cruz was Texas Solicitor General, the Texas Attorney General's office declined to defend Texas's sodomy law in Lawrence v. Texas, in which the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that state laws banning homosexual sex were unconstitutional.
In the landmark case of District of Columbia v. Heller, Cruz drafted the amicus brief signed by the attorneys general of 31 states arguing that the Washington, D.C. handgun ban should be struck down as infringing upon the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. He also presented oral argument for the amici states in the companion case to Heller before the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit.
Cruz at the Values Voters Summit in October 2011
In addition to his success in Heller, Cruz successfully defended the constitutionality of the Ten Commandments monument on the Texas State Capitol grounds before the Fifth Circuit and the U.S. Supreme Court, winning 5–4 in Van Orden v. Perry.[34][38][48]
In 2004, Cruz was involved in the high-profile case surrounding a challenge to the constitutionality of public schools' requiring students to recite the Pledge of Allegiance (including the words "under God", legally a part of the Pledge since 1954), Elk Grove Unified School District v. Newdow.[34][38] He wrote a brief on behalf of all 50 states that argued that the plaintiff, a non-custodial parent, did not have standing to file suit on his daughter's behalf. The Supreme Court upheld the position of Cruz's brief.
Cruz served as lead counsel for the state and successfully defended the multiple litigation challenges to the 2003 Texas congressional redistricting plan in state and federal district courts and before the U.S. Supreme Court, which was decided 5–4 in his favor in League of United Latin American Citizens v. Perry.
In Medellin v. Texas, Cruz successfully defended Texas against an attempt to reopen the cases of 51 Mexican nationals, all of whom were convicted of murder in the United States and on death row. With the support of the George W. Bush Administration, the petitioners argued that the United States had violated the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations by failing to notify the convicted nationals of their opportunity to receive legal aid from the Mexican consulate. They based their case on a decision of the International Court of Justice in the Avena case, which ruled that by failing to allow access to the Mexican consulate, the US had breached its obligations under the Convention. Texas won the case in a 6–3 decision, the Supreme Court holding that ICJ decisions were not binding in domestic law and that the President had no power to enforce them.
In 2012, Cruz ran for and won the U.S. Senate seat being vacated by fellow Republican Kay Bailey Hutchison. He is the first Hispanic American to serve as a U.S. Senator from Texas. In 2016, Cruz ran for President of the United States, winning Republican contests in 12 states before withdrawing from the race. He was reelected to the Senate in 2018, defeating Democratic challenger Beto O'Rourke by a slim margin of 50.9% to 48.3% in the most expensive Senate race in U.S. history. Along with Bob Menendez and Marco Rubio, Cruz is one of three current U.S. Senators of Cuban descent.
Autobigoraphy: An excellent book that I read in one day/night -- I couldn't put it down. (Highly recommend)
"A Time For Truth" Reigniting the Promise of America
https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/42563938-a-time-for-truth-reigniting-the-promise-of-america (https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/42563938-a-time-for-truth-reigniting-the-promise-of-america)
Cruz Interview with the Sierra Club
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl9-tY1oZNw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl9-tY1oZNw#)
Cruz Accuses McConnell of Lying on Export-Import Bank
www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu77aiLXTNQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu77aiLXTNQ#)
Ted Cruz "Imagine Speech" - I love TED!!!!!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed27KkNlL9w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed27KkNlL9w#)
Ted Cruz is a libertarian republican rino as long as he runs as a Republican. He's NEVER going to be president, he's NEVER going to get Donald Trump's voter base and he would legalize all illegal aliens. Ted Cruz and the libertarian party run as Republicans and when they get elected they govern as libertarians except when public pressure is on them.
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@Hat In Ring Please spare me the childish cartoons. Do yourself a favor, do some accurate research, read his book, look at his record and stop drinking the Kool-Aid.
Next.
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This is very true!
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This is very true!
That's all you have for a rebuttal; childish cartoons? Seriously?
We're done.
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If you ask me all this seems like an unnecessary skirmish, @Hat In Ring I don’t understand why you would worry about Cruz right now. This is what primary season is for.
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That's all you have for a rebuttal; childish cartoons? Seriously?
We're done.
Good, Ted Cruz is done also wink777
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I'm so happy all of us are done :yowsa:
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If you ask me all this seems like an unnecessary skirmish, @Hat In Ring I don’t understand why you would worry about Cruz right now. This is what primary season is for.
I couldn't agree more .. it seems more like trying to create a Cruz v Trump flame war. We don't need that. We need EVERYONE behind our President. Sad, already putting the 'ignore feature' to use.
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If you ask me all this seems like an unnecessary skirmish, @Hat In Ring I don’t understand why you would worry about Cruz right now. This is what primary season is for.
I'm not worried about Ted Cruz. I was just posting that he was a Rino as stated in the title of this thread and several of his libertarian supporters started to flame me with fake information about Ted.
Ted Cruz will never be president so I can't understand why these libertarians don't find and move to a new candidate instead of trying to push the Ted Cruz square peg into a round hole?
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I couldn't agree more .. it seems more like trying to create a Cruz v Trump flame war. We don't need that. We need EVERYONE behind our President. Sad, already putting the 'ignore feature' to use.
Hey, catch up in time. "Ted Cruz Is Not Our President".
More false information. You said you were done but here you are telling everyone Ted Cruz is our president.
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Hey, catch up in time. "Ted Cruz Is Not Our President".
More false information. You said you were done but here you are telling everyone Ted Cruz is our president.
Excuse me...you are new here and all, so please allow me to remind...we don't allow personal attacks, arguments that require putting words into the mouths of others are frowned upon, and will result in unnecessary flame wars.
I looked at your Twitter in the application approval process, and you are really better than this.
Keep away from punching below the belt, and carry on. TIA, and all that....
:patriot:
(I'm TEA Party too, living in a city about an hour and a half drive south of Vegas by the Colorado River. We meet twice a month, or we did before the panic, anyway.)
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Cruz not born in Texas.
Reagan not born in Calif.
G.W. Bush not born in Texas
McCain not born in Ariz.
Romney not born in Mass.
IMO 150 posts about calling TX Sen. Ted Cruz, a RINO reflects very, very badly on this site; as a "conservative hub"
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Cruz not born in Texas.
Reagan not born in Calif.
G.W. Bush not born in Texas
McCain not born in Ariz.
Romney not born in Mass.
IMO 150 posts about calling TX Sen. Ted Cruz, a RINO reflects very, very badly on this site; as a "conservative hub"
We are a "Free Speech Hub," which is a conservative concept.
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We are a "Free Speech Hub,".
What unmitigated :bs:
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Excuse me...you are new here and all, so please allow me to remind...we don't allow personal attacks, arguments that require putting words into the mouths of others are frowned upon, and will result in unnecessary flame wars.
I looked at your Twitter in the application approval process, and you are really better than this.
Keep away from punching below the belt, and carry on. TIA, and all that....
:patriot:
(I'm TEA Party too, living in a city about an hour and a half drive south of Vegas by the Colorado River. We meet twice a month, or we did before the panic, anyway.)
I did put words in her mouth so I guess I went a little overboard.
I've been shadow banned on Twitter. None of my posts show up anymore. I guess my articles were effective to the point the liberal left democrats that run Twitter felt the need to shut me down. Isn't the first time I was banned from a social media website. Most libertarian sites ban me for posting articles about deporting illegal aliens. "No Free Speech With The Libertarians".
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What unmitigated :bs:
Libertarians are not conservative. They only call themselves conservative to infiltrate Republican party and get votes for their candidates. Libertarians are only 10 percent of the Republican Party but B.S.ed their way into control of the Republican Party. George W. Bush, George H.W. Bush and Jeb Bush are all libertarians that fooled the real conservative Republicans for absolute decades. It's coming to an end now because I've been educating the 90 percent of Republicans that are not libertarians about the libertarians. My efforts are paying off.
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Martyr? Maybe a dreaded Republican that doesn't go along with the libertarian point of view that will eventually be removed but not a Martyr. ****slapping
What Libertarian point of view is being espoused here exactly? Please be specific? And if you're already predicting your own demise then does that mean all you cane to do here is troll?
Because we have certified Liberals on this forum that haven't been removed.
You come on this forum and make a beeline for this particular thread and start tossing out falsehoods and half truths about the Senator from Texas and make false statements about the general political nature of TBR.
It tends to make people...myself included...very suspicious of your intentions.
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What unmitigated :bs:
You are not free to chase off good Members, is that what you mean? Or are we supposed to only allow speech that doesn't piss certain people off?
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@Hat In Ring Please spare me the childish cartoons. Do yourself a favor, do some accurate research, read his book, look at his record and stop drinking the Kool-Aid.
Next.
Childish cartoons and inaccurate accusations and a general lack of research but plenty of blather.
Remind you of anyone else here @libertybele ?
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You are not free to chase off good Members, is that what you mean? Or are we supposed to only allow speech that doesn't piss certain people off?
Well...that's what some people would prefer... :whistle:
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I did put words in her mouth so I guess I went a little overboard.
I've been shadow banned on Twitter. None of my posts show up anymore. I guess my articles were effective to the point the liberal left democrats that run Twitter felt the need to shut me down. Isn't the first time I was banned from a social media website. Most libertarian sites ban me for posting articles about deporting illegal aliens. "No Free Speech With The Libertarians".
You'll probably get a better reception here that at that leftist bastion, as long as you can be positive about your arguments, and not spend all your time tearing people like Cruz down. You may not like some things about him, but he's a damned sight better than, say, John Kasich. Or Mike Lee, of late. Mikey really has gone downhill, since he made best friends of Mittens. I know from experience the TEA Party stands for positive things, so roll with that.
You are a good writer, from what I saw. You may be subject of a bullshit Twitter shadow ban, but I sought your posts out.
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(I'm TEA Party too, living in a city about an hour and a half drive south of Vegas by the Colorado River. We meet twice a month, or we did before the panic, anyway.)
Yeah... But are you the non-libertarian Tump tea party or the REAL one?
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Yeah... But are you the non-libertarian Tump tea party or the REAL one?
Well...the group is not pro-weed, so we're off the Libertarian (big-L) reservation right there. :shrug:
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Libertarians are not conservative. They only call themselves conservative to infiltrate Republican party and get votes for their candidates.
What pap. Your leading sentence shows ignorance of what Conservatism IS, by definition.
Conservatism comes from The Goldwater wing, of the Republican Party.
The Goldwater Republicans, modifiable to Goldwater/Reagan and nothing else, are based upon... FOUNDED IN libertarianism and fiscal conservatism.
American Conservatism as it touches politics IS civil-libertarianism, in its deepest root.
If you feel like you've been walking around with your fly open and your toupee on backwards, as it were, you're maybe starting to get a clue. Because history itself rejects your words.
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What pap. Your leading sentence shows ignorance of what Conservatism IS, by definition.
Conservatism comes from The Goldwater wing, of the Republican Party.
The Goldwater Republicans, modifiable to Goldwater/Reagan and nothing else, are based upon... FOUNDED IN libertarianism and fiscal conservatism.
American Conservatism as it touches politics IS civil-libertarianism, in its deepest root.
If you feel like you've been walking around with your fly open and your toupee on backwards, as it were, you're maybe starting to get a clue. Because history itself rejects your words.
@roamer_1
So by calling us a Libertarian political board he's basically saying that none of us are Conservative and only he/she/it is Conservative.
It's a not so clever way of trying to tell us "I'm the REAL Conservative here."
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What pap. Your leading sentence shows ignorance of what Conservatism IS, by definition.
Conservatism comes from The Goldwater wing, of the Republican Party.
The Goldwater Republicans, modifiable to Goldwater/Reagan and nothing else, are based upon... FOUNDED IN libertarianism and fiscal conservatism.
American Conservatism as it touches politics IS civil-libertarianism, in its deepest root.
If you feel like you've been walking around with your fly open and your toupee on backwards, as it were, you're maybe starting to get a clue. Because history itself rejects your words.
Are we talking about "libertarianism" or "libertinism? It seems those who call them selves Libertarians in the context of the 2010-20's are all interested in legal weed and prostitution. In my pin-head brain I always thought those were libertine, and not exactly libertarian.
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Well...the group is not pro-weed, so we're off the Libertarian (big-L) reservation right there. :shrug:
You'll need to work on your distinction there...
'Big L' meaning Libertarianism?
Or 'Big L' meaning Libertarian Party?
**Note that I know what you mean, but others here could benefit from some exact definitions.
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@roamer_1
So by calling us a Libertarian political board he's basically saying that none of us are Conservative and only he/she/it is Conservative.
It's a not so clever way of trying to tell us "I'm the REAL Conservative here."
Where have I heard that one before? tri22
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@roamer_1
So by calling us a Libertarian political board he's basically saying that none of us are Conservative and only he/she/it is Conservative.
It's a not so clever way of trying to tell us "I'm the REAL Conservative here."
RIGHT. In classic Neo-Tumpism non-defined word salad, to boot.
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Where have I heard that one before? tri22
If I had a dollar for every times I've heard that since I first got into these political forums 17 years ago...
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You'll need to work on your distinction there...
'Big L' meaning Libertarianism?
Or 'Big L' meaning Libertarian Party?
**Note that I know what you mean, but others here could benefit from some exact definitions.
:beer:
Fair enough! Big-L "Libertarian" is a political party in competition with Republicans and Democrats (and many others). Small-l "libertarians" are the fiscally responsible folks who want the damnable gummint to keep their cotton-picking hands off my rights and my wallet. Best fleshed out with the term, "civil-libertarians."
:beer: from Castillo del Cyber
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RIGHT. In classic Neo-Tumpism non-defined word salad, to boot.
The term "Neo-Tumpism" has no purchase for me, but I understand "word-salad." :tongue2:
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What Libertarian point of view is being espoused here exactly? Please be specific? And if you're already predicting your own demise then does that mean all you cane to do here is troll?
Because we have certified Liberals on this forum that haven't been removed.
You come on this forum and make a beeline for this particular thread and start tossing out falsehoods and half truths about the Senator from Texas and make false statements about the general political nature of TBR.
It tends to make people...myself included...very suspicious of your intentions.
I thought personal attacks on other members were not allowed? Why are you attacking me personally?
I put the proof in Libertybeles post and if they were not read then I'm not at fault.
You have "Cat Mod" under your name so why am I still here if you deem me the problem after you broke the rules and attacked me personally?
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Are we talking about "libertarianism" or "libertinism? It seems those who call them selves Libertarians in the context of the 2010-20's are all interested in legal weed and prostitution. In my pin-head brain I always thought those were libertine, and not exactly libertarian.
Right. The Libertarian Party in the main is the opposite of libertarian - Libertine is a very suitable description. Similar in fashion to how the word Liberalism has been bastardized beyond all meaning. Those with an historical clue or two know that classic liberalism is close kin to Principled Conservatism, even as is Libertarianism.
But even as there are classic liberals in the Democrat Party (damn few anymore) there are also Libertarian Party members that maintain true libertarianism, even as we do.
Have you ever actually winnowed the drug thing with a real Libertarian?
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@roamer_1
So by calling us a Libertarian political board he's basically saying that none of us are Conservative and only he/she/it is Conservative.
It's a not so clever way of trying to tell us "I'm the REAL Conservative here."
Why are you personally attacking me? You are putting words into my mouth I never said.
I never stated this forum or so called board was all libertarian. My mentions inferred that many people here are libertarians but I never stated everyone here were libertarians. I've already run into people posting that are true Trump supporters and the Admin. stated he was Tea so why am I getting personally attacked when it's against the rules.
A moderator breaking the rules? and attacking members. Unreal!
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I thought personal attacks on other members were not allowed? Why are you attacking me personally?
I put the proof in Libertybeles post and if they were not read then I'm not at fault.
Speaking with you directly isn't a "personal attack." Now, if he had called you a "doody-head...." 22222frying pan
You have "Cat Mod" under your name so why am I still here if you deem me the problem after you broke the rules and attacked me personally?
Cat Mods are not empowered to ban Members. That's primarily an Admin job. It takes a lot to make me want to do that, and I can tell you that I will more readily accept personal attacks upon my person than I will tolerate such attacks on others. The Admin uniform comes with really big shoulders.
BTW, we have Forum Mods, and they are not identifiable. You need to have special glasses to see them. wink777
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Fair enough! Big-L "Libertarian" is a political party in competition with Republicans and Democrats (and many others). Small-l "libertarians" are the fiscally responsible folks who want the damnable gummint to keep their cotton-picking hands off my rights and my wallet. Best fleshed out with the term, "civil-libertarians."
:beer: from Castillo del Cyber
NICE. For extra credit, would the TEA Party generally be defined as those same 'fiscally responsible folks who want the damnable gummint to keep their cotton-picking hands off my rights and my wallet'???
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Speaking with you directly isn't a "personal attack." Now, if he had called you a "doody-head...." 22222frying pan
Cat Mods are not empowered to ban Members. That's primarily an Admin job. It takes a lot to make me want to do that, and I can tell you that I will more readily accept personal attacks upon my person than I will tolerate such attacks on others. The Admin uniform comes with really big shoulders.
BTW, we have Forum Mods, and they are not identifiable. You need to have special glasses to see them. wink777
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGZ0ntpSx2Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGZ0ntpSx2Y#)
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Have you ever actually winnowed the drug thing with a real Libertarian?
I don't think so. The problem is, I don't know what a "real Libertarian" is. The Libertarian Party really ruined that. If you mean "real libertarian," then I probably have, and rarely disagree with them on fiscal matters.
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NICE. For extra credit, would the TEA Party generally be defined as those same 'fiscally responsible folks who want the damnable gummint to keep their cotton-picking hands off my rights and my wallet'???
As a practical matter, that's the governing philosophy of the group I hang with, yes. They have no use for libertines.
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I thought personal attacks on other members were not allowed? Why are you attacking me personally?
that's not an attack. It's asking a very legitimate question. I'm sorry direct questions make you uncomfortable.
But you opened the door to this with your initial post in this thread.
I put the proof in Libertybeles post and if they were not read then I'm not at fault.
I read your proof. And pointed out where...particularly in the video you refer to...it's an outright falsehood what you claim about Ted Cruz.
You have "Cat Mod" under your name so why am I still here if you deem me the problem after you broke the rules and attacked me personally?
This isn't the category I'm a mod in. And even if I could swing the ban hammer around here...you're not even close to any line...yet.
Again I broke no rules and I didn't personally attack you.
Challenging your statements and asking if you're only here to troll is not a personal attack except on FR after 2015..
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What Libertarian point of view is being espoused here exactly? Please be specific? And if you're already predicting your own demise then does that mean all you cane to do here is troll?
HIR's ability to discern a conservative from a libertarian is about on par with teaching 1st graders quantum physics.
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As a practical matter, that's the governing philosophy of the group I hang with, yes. They have no use for libertines.
There are some Libertarian aspects of Conservatism I get behind. Which is why I said the other day I can get behind my Junior Senator about 505 of the time.
It's when they venture off into Ron Paul looney territory on stuff that they lose me.
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I don't think so. The problem is, I don't know what a "real Libertarian" is. The Libertarian Party really ruined that. If you mean "real libertarian," then I probably have, and rarely disagree with them on fiscal matters.
As a rule, if you get past the avid potheads you will find common ground with a Libertarian Party 'true libertarian' ... They WILL be against the general hue of federal drug control, but will cede the point wrt interstate issues (in that the fed properly has jurisdiction in border and interstate issues).
They will as a rule properly lay legitimate jurisdiction wrt drug control primarily with the various states, in classic federalism. And I can agree to that. I see clearly their complaint that federal jurisdiction in the matter has not only funded the behemoth, bit also drastically eroded liberty. They are right about that.
I am not in full agreement mind you, but there is much common ground. It is a rollicking debate that is fun as heck.
Our redheaded step-brothers, the Libertarians are close to Conservatives in their true nature. Civil-libertarianism has not rubbed off entirely.
There is a reason why Libertarians will often lend their weight to a Principled Conservative candidate.
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What Libertarian point of view is being espoused here exactly? Please be specific? And if you're already predicting your own demise then does that mean all you cane to do here is troll?
Because we have certified Liberals on this forum that haven't been removed.
You come on this forum and make a beeline for this particular thread and start tossing out falsehoods and half truths about the Senator from Texas and make false statements about the general political nature of TBR.
It tends to make people...myself included...very suspicious of your intentions.
You are correct about 1 thing. I did make a beeline straight for this thread.
The 1st post by "Chosen Daughter" who created this thread with, "Was Copy/Pasted From My Blog". Yes, I wrote the "Rino List" "Chosen Daughter" got the post from declaring Ted Cruz a rino.
She left a link to my article in her post: https://teapartymainstreet.blogspot.com/2019/04/the-2020-rino-list-begins-to-grow-as.html
Yes, I'm "Tea Party Main Street" AKA "Hat In Ring" and "Republican Party Base".
Under my avatar are little symbols. One is a "Globe". The "Globe" is a website link. I noticed this forum allows links so I entered mine and the globe appears in all my posts in the mini profile section. Click the globe!
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There are some Libertarian aspects of Conservatism I get behind. Which is why I said the other day I can get behind my Junior Senator about 505 of the time.
It's when they venture off into Ron Paul looney territory on stuff that they lose me.
Where I part with them is in Mil/FP Conservatism. I am not an interventionist militarily, But I do believe our worldwide military superstructure has a necessary benefit.
I could find much to agree with in Ron Paul on the home front.
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Where I part with them is in Mil/FP Conservatism. I am not an interventionist militarily, But I do believe our worldwide military superstructure has a necessary benefit.
I could find much to agree with in Ron Paul on the home front.
They lose me on the military aspect as well. Stopped Listening to Wilkow for a few months over his asinine take on the U.S. abandoning the Kurds to the Turks.
The far left Libertarians (my opinion) calling for a return to the Gold Standard, some of the "blame the Jews for 9/11" racism that bubbles up and their legalize everything attitude can be a turn off.
I always find it funny the people that insist Paul is the "ultimate Conservative" while he's writing screeds for the far left wing AntiWar.com website.
I was very disturbed over Rand openly courting the FM from Iran and politicking for the position of the envoy between the WH and Iran inn talking about the sanctions as well.
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They lose me on the military aspect as well. Stopped Listening to Wilkow for a few months over his asinine take on the U.S. abandoning the Kurds to the Turks.
The far left Libertarians (my opinion) calling for a return to the Gold Standard, some of the "blame the Jews for 9/11" racism that bubbles up and their legalize everything attitude can be a turn off.
I always find it funny the people that insist Paul is the "ultimate Conservative" while he's writing screeds for the far left wing AntiWar.com website.
I was very disturbed over Rand openly courting the FM from Iran and politicking for the position of the envoy between the WH and Iran inn talking about the sanctions as well.
All of that is legit in my mind @txradioguy , which will be no surprise. :beer:
But I am loathe to throw out the baby with the bathwater.
I can vote for Rand Paul.
Using the OnTheIssues' graphic as an illustration, the red dot for candidates I tend to like are deep in the Conservative pocket, leaning hard toward the Libertarian side.
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I assiduously have stayed out of the Cruz wars as long as Cruz has stayed to the right of center (exactly how right of center to be determined by the voters that know him best.)
But, the glimpse I got of him in the ‘16 election showed a smart, scholarly guy, knows the constitution inside and out—probably would shine on the court. But if he’s still thinking presidency, maybe not the kind of personality to excite the mix of voters that make up the GOP and those that vote GOP.
But, listen to me, regarding Cruz, I’m Switzerland. So, leave me out of this.
@aligncare
I agree with what I highlighted. IMNSHO,Cruz and Lady Lindsey are probably the most intelligent US Senators,or right up there with the most intelligent.
Lady Lindsey can't be counted on in a pinch,most likely because of blackmail,and Cruz seems to sometimes cave when I wouldn't expect him to cave. There is nothing I can really put my finger on and then point and shout "AHAH!Untrustworthy!",but there just seems to be something about him I just can't trust.
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If you ask me all this seems like an unnecessary skirmish, @Hat In Ring I don’t understand why you would worry about Cruz right now. This is what primary season is for.
@aligncare
I agree. Seems to me we already have enough to fight about that we need to save some of it for the future.
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Ted Cruz will never be president so I can't understand why these libertarians don't find and move to a new candidate instead of trying to push the Ted Cruz square peg into a round hole?
@Hat In Ring
Ok,if you really believe all that,why bother attacking him?
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All of that is legit in my mind @txradioguy , which will be no surprise. :beer:
But I am loathe to throw out the baby with the bathwater.
I can vote for Rand Paul.
Using the OnTheIssues' graphic as an illustration, the red dot for candidates I tend to like are deep in the Conservative pocket, leaning hard toward the Libertarian side.
Oh make no mistake I'll vote for him too...easier than I will Turtle. All you have to do is look towards the Governor's mansion in Frankfort to see what the alternative is.
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Reading this thread begs the question, that with the range of all those opinions out there, even among like-minded groups, how we manage to funnel all of that divergent, sometimes contradictory viewpoints into a two-party election, without encountering at least some friction/disagreement/lunacy/maliciousness/criminality, etc etc.
It’s a wonder we haven’t had a civil war every four years.
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What Libertarian point of view is being espoused here exactly? Please be specific?
@txradioguy
Good question,and one I would like to see the answer to,also.
We currently have the Chinese-controlled Dim congress of assorted retards and traitors to deal with,and their threat is both real and RIGHT NOW,so WTH are we doing arguing about a potential Cruz campaign?
Enquiring minds,and all dat.
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@Hat In Ring
Ok,if you really believe all that,why bother attacking him?
@Hat In Ring was not here for those battles, back in '16. He can't know we've already beaten the carp out of each other on that. :shrug: On Twitter, he's seen the bullshit being bantered all the time, even now. I like to think we got past all that.
He's smart. Give him some time.
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Are we talking about "libertarianism" or "libertinism?
@Cyber Liberty
I think that we are now talking about "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin",and suggest we all just stop posting to this thread and let it die.
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@Cyber Liberty
I think that we are now talking about "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin",and suggest we all just stop posting to this thread and let it die.
:dumpster:
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Reading this thread begs the question, that with the range of all those opinions out there, even among like-minded groups, how we manage to funnel all of that divergent, sometimes contradictory viewpoints into a two-party election, without encountering at least some friction/disagreement/lunacy/maliciousness/criminality, etc etc.
It’s a wonder we haven’t had a civil war every four years.
That unity was aforetime accomplished by one sturdy criteria:
The Principles of Conservatism.
And I would submit, that criteria is the ONLY standard that will do.
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That unity was aforetime accomplished by one sturdy criteria:
The Principles of Conservatism.
What the hell are you talking about? What unity did the "principles of conservatism" usher in? When? By whom?
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What the hell are you talking about? What unity did the "principles of conservatism" usher in? When? By whom?
Were you asleep from January of 1981 through January of 1989?
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This is very true!
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Sorry, I have been keeping quiet, but as folks who have been here a while will tell you, that only lasts so long.
I can't see where you are coming from,if it isn't just to jump in with a bunch of nonsense and make a splash.
I have seen many splashes in unsavory places, and of some peculiarly nasty material, and that is what I am seeing now. Attempting to somehow divide those who supported Cruz in '16 from the rest of the GOP will do the GOP no good. It is people like Cruz who keep more from shaking the dust off their feet. Cutting down Cruz with some of the most egregious BS I have seen in a few years doesn't make points here, we've been watching him since well before the primaries back when, before the POTUS primary, and have a decent Idea who he is and where he is coming from, things you wouldn't read in the columns of the National Enquirer. Spare me the Lyin' Ted nonsense, I was watching as that went down, and know what happened. We saw the well timed and regionally targeted series of "exposes" that were used to place doubt and strip votes away, and must note that Cruz performed well in spite of a well coordinated media campaign against him. We understand the stalwarts of the 'country club' GOP thought they could wheel and deal with Trump, who appears to have disappointed them in how much he would be for sale. (Not so much a surprise for a man who has been dealing with smarmy and crooked pols his entire life)
But Cruz, relatively speaking was a Constitutional Boy Scout. Not perfect, perhaps, as none is, but far better than most. Attempting to lump Cruz in with the Party of legal pot (which was about half the Libertarian Platform, more libertine than truly libertarian) is a non starter.
So, what's your game? Nice polished attacks only get me wondering why.
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Sorry, I have been keeping quiet, but as folks who have been here a while will tell you, that only lasts so long.
I can't see where you are coming from,if it isn't just to jump in with a bunch of nonsense and make a splash.
I have seen many splashes in unsavory places, and of some peculiarly nasty material, and that is what I am seeing now. Attempting to somehow divide those who supported Cruz in '16 from the rest of the GOP will do the GOP no good. It is people like Cruz who keep more from shaking the dust off their feet. Cutting down Cruz with some of the most egregious BS I have seen in a few years doesn't make points here, we've been watching him since well before the primaries back when, before the POTUS primary, and have a decent Idea who he is and where he is coming from, things you wouldn't read in the columns of the National Enquirer. Spare me the Lyin' Ted nonsense, I was watching as that went down, and know what happened. We saw the well timed and regionally targeted series of "exposes" that were used to place doubt and strip votes away, and must note that Cruz performed well in spite of a well coordinated media campaign against him. We understand the stalwarts of the 'country club' GOP thought they could wheel and deal with Trump, who appears to have disappointed them in how much he would be for sale. (Not so much a surprise for a man who has been dealing with smarmy and crooked pols his entire life)
But Cruz, relatively speaking was a Constitutional Boy Scout. Not perfect, perhaps, as none is, but far better than most. Attempting to lump Cruz in with the Party of legal pot (which was about half the Libertarian Platform, more libertine than truly libertarian) is a non starter.
So, what's your game? Nice polished attacks only get me wondering why.
^^^^
This!!!
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What the hell are you talking about? What unity did the "principles of conservatism" usher in? When? By whom?
The ONLY times the ball has moved away from liberalism have been Conservative movements, not Republican. Primarily Reagan and the 94 Congress.
The ONLY force to BLOCK liberalism, both from Democrats and Republicans, have been Conservative stalwarts, and not merely Republicans. See the Freedom/Liberty Caucus in the house, and a handful of recent senators... Cruz, Lee, Paul, Sasse, Sessions, etc - All summarily discredited and disowned in favor of Tumpy the WonderClown. See Gingrich back in the day. See Tom Delay.
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Sorry, I have been keeping quiet, but as folks who have been here a while will tell you, that only lasts so long.
I can't see where you are coming from,if it isn't just to jump in with a bunch of nonsense and make a splash.
I have seen many splashes in unsavory places, and of some peculiarly nasty material, and that is what I am seeing now. Attempting to somehow divide those who supported Cruz in '16 from the rest of the GOP will do the GOP no good. It is people like Cruz who keep more from shaking the dust off their feet. Cutting down Cruz with some of the most egregious BS I have seen in a few years doesn't make points here, we've been watching him since well before the primaries back when, before the POTUS primary, and have a decent Idea who he is and where he is coming from, things you wouldn't read in the columns of the National Enquirer. Spare me the Lyin' Ted nonsense, I was watching as that went down, and know what happened. We saw the well timed and regionally targeted series of "exposes" that were used to place doubt and strip votes away, and must note that Cruz performed well in spite of a well coordinated media campaign against him. We understand the stalwarts of the 'country club' GOP thought they could wheel and deal with Trump, who appears to have disappointed them in how much he would be for sale. (Not so much a surprise for a man who has been dealing with smarmy and crooked pols his entire life)
But Cruz, relatively speaking was a Constitutional Boy Scout. Not perfect, perhaps, as none is, but far better than most. Attempting to lump Cruz in with the Party of legal pot (which was about half the Libertarian Platform, more libertine than truly libertarian) is a non starter.
So, what's your game? Nice polished attacks only get me wondering why.
My question as well. As far as watching Cruz -- though I'm not from TX, he definitely caught my attention as he captured the Senate seat against all odds. I supported him then and have been supporting him ever since.
The real focus should be the re-election of Trump and maintaining the Senate. All this banter back and forth over Cruz is ridiculous and accomplishes absolutely nothing.
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My question as well. As far as watching Cruz -- though I'm not from TX, he definitely caught my attention as he captured the Senate seat against all odds. I supported him then and have been supporting him ever since.
The real focus should be the re-election of Trump and maintaining the Senate. All this banter back and forth over Cruz is ridiculous and accomplishes absolutely nothing.
Hence, my question. I see no gain for anyone but Democrats by digging up old fights. We are where we are, with the people we have, and we need more, not fragmentation at this point. That only benefits the Democrats, and this election is the GOP's to lose.
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You are correct about 1 thing. I did make a beeline straight for this thread.
The 1st post by "Chosen Daughter" who created this thread with, "Was Copy/Pasted From My Blog". Yes, I wrote the "Rino List" "Chosen Daughter" got the post from declaring Ted Cruz a rino.
She left a link to my article in her post: https://teapartymainstreet.blogspot.com/2019/04/the-2020-rino-list-begins-to-grow-as.html
Yes, I'm "Tea Party Main Street" AKA "Hat In Ring" and "Republican Party Base".
Under my avatar are little symbols. One is a "Globe". The "Globe" is a website link. I noticed this forum allows links so I entered mine and the globe appears in all my posts in the mini profile section. Click the globe!
Nope between here and what I saw before your shadow ban on Twitter...I don't need to.
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Sorry, I have been keeping quiet, but as folks who have been here a while will tell you, that only lasts so long.
Thank God for that.
It is people like Cruz who keep more from shaking the dust off their feet.
And people like Cruz are what might bring folks like me back - I was ready to pull the lever for Cruz... The first and only Republican to get my nod since Duncan Hunter Sr. left the game.
Cutting down Cruz with some of the most egregious BS I have seen in a few years doesn't make points here, we've been watching him since well before the primaries back when, before the POTUS primary, and have a decent Idea who he is and where he is coming from, things you wouldn't read in the columns of the National Enquirer. Spare me the Lyin' Ted nonsense, I was watching as that went down, and know what happened. We saw the well timed and regionally targeted series of "exposes" that were used to place doubt and strip votes away, and must note that Cruz performed well in spite of a well coordinated media campaign against him.
That's right. And what makes it all the more egregious is that is entirely the other way around. Every charge debunked... And in consideration of Stone/Pecker, the Liar in Chief sits in the white house right now.
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Nope between here and what I saw before your shadow ban on Twitter...I don't need to.
:amen:
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Thank God for that.
And people like Cruz are what might bring folks like me back - I was ready to pull the lever for Cruz... The first and only Republican to get my nod since Duncan Hunter Sr. left the game.
That's right. And what makes it all the more egregious is that is entirely the other way around. Every charge debunked... And in consideration of Stone/Pecker, the Liar in Chief sits in the white house right now.
He got my nod as well. :beer:
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He got my nod as well. :beer:
Believe it or not, I remember that... Pissant's crew, back in the day on ToS :beer:
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Apparently, the West Wing is bored with takin out biden, since he's gonna implode anyway, sooner rather than later.
Maybe their keeping their talon's sharp by planting hit pieces about Sen. Cruz. :shrug:
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Apparently, the West Wing is bored with takin out biden, since he's gonna implode anyway, sooner rather than later.
Maybe their keeping their talon's sharp by planting hit pieces about Sen. Cruz. :shrug:
Cruz is not a threat, the Dem veep candidate and the moles in the medical agencies are.
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Apparently, the West Wing is bored with takin out biden, since he's gonna implode anyway, sooner rather than later.
Creamed peas in the rubber room is in his near future.
Maybe their keeping their talon's sharp by planting hit pieces about Sen. Cruz. :shrug:
It ain't JUST Cruz. They have to keep shouting the lies, lest anyone actually compare what they are calling 'conservatism' with ACTUAL Conservatives and Conservatism.
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As an Avid Drug User, I oppose the (l)ibertarian stance on Drugs, it was never a Federal Issue to begin with.
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Sorry, I have been keeping quiet, but as folks who have been here a while will tell you, that only lasts so long.
I can't see where you are coming from,if it isn't just to jump in with a bunch of nonsense and make a splash.
I have seen many splashes in unsavory places, and of some peculiarly nasty material, and that is what I am seeing now. Attempting to somehow divide those who supported Cruz in '16 from the rest of the GOP will do the GOP no good. It is people like Cruz who keep more from shaking the dust off their feet. Cutting down Cruz with some of the most egregious BS I have seen in a few years doesn't make points here, we've been watching him since well before the primaries back when, before the POTUS primary, and have a decent Idea who he is and where he is coming from, things you wouldn't read in the columns of the National Enquirer. Spare me the Lyin' Ted nonsense, I was watching as that went down, and know what happened. We saw the well timed and regionally targeted series of "exposes" that were used to place doubt and strip votes away, and must note that Cruz performed well in spite of a well coordinated media campaign against him. We understand the stalwarts of the 'country club' GOP thought they could wheel and deal with Trump, who appears to have disappointed them in how much he would be for sale. (Not so much a surprise for a man who has been dealing with smarmy and crooked pols his entire life)
But Cruz, relatively speaking was a Constitutional Boy Scout. Not perfect, perhaps, as none is, but far better than most. Attempting to lump Cruz in with the Party of legal pot (which was about half the Libertarian Platform, more libertine than truly libertarian) is a non starter.
So, what's your game? Nice polished attacks only get me wondering why.
Why? Well, because you are saying he's not a rino and I'm saying he is. Ted Cruz's wife works for the libertarian Globalist CEO of Goldman Sachs and even borrowed 1 million dollars from this CEO.
READ HERE: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ted-cruz-improperly-accounted-for-goldman-sachs-loans-fec-decides (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ted-cruz-improperly-accounted-for-goldman-sachs-loans-fec-decides)
Ted Cruz was borrowing cash from guess who? "The Club For Growth" which is a libertarian outfit. So now Ted Cruz is endorsed and collecting cash from 3 libertarian entities which are, "The Club For Growth", "Ron Paul" and "Goldman Sachs".
https://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/club-for-growth-endorses-ted-cruz-221129 (https://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/club-for-growth-endorses-ted-cruz-221129)
Ted Cruz was NOT getting hardly any donations from supporters. Hell, the guy could hardly fill a High School gymnasium and Beto O'Rourk almost beat him.
I know more posts are coming declaring Ted Cruz is the new "Glory" of the United States but that's only because the libertarian party doesn't have anyone else. Protect your savior because libertarians cannot get anybody elected except by deceit, misinformation and infiltration into the Republican party.
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Why? Well, because you are saying he's not a rino and I'm saying he is. Ted Cruz's wife works for the libertarian Globalist CEO of Goldman Sachs and even borrowed 1 million dollars from this CEO.
READ HERE: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ted-cruz-improperly-accounted-for-goldman-sachs-loans-fec-decides (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ted-cruz-improperly-accounted-for-goldman-sachs-loans-fec-decides)
Ted Cruz was borrowing cash from guess who? "The Club For Growth" which is a libertarian outfit. So now Ted Cruz is endorsed and collecting cash from 3 libertarian entities which are, "The Club For Growth", "Ron Paul" and "Goldman Sachs".
https://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/club-for-growth-endorses-ted-cruz-221129 (https://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/club-for-growth-endorses-ted-cruz-221129)
Ted Cruz was NOT getting hardly any donations from supporters. Hell, the guy could hardly fill a High School gymnasium and Beto O'Rourk almost beat him.
I know more posts are coming declaring Ted Cruz is the new "Glory" of the United States but that's only because the libertarian party doesn't have anyone else. Protect your savior because libertarians cannot get anybody elected except by deceit, misinformation and infiltration into the Republican party.
Where did I say he is not a RINO, and just what in the hell is that any more, anyway. He IS one of the more Conservative members of the GOP. That, in these times could make him a RINO in a sea of "moderates"
Ted beat Trump in Iowa and continued to rack up good showings until the Pecker series of hit peices, targeted at regional audiences and timed to coincide with those primaries. Really? His Daddy killed JFK? Right, and Bat Boy was Henry Waxman (a more credible theory, to say the least).
But what i really want to know is why you are here stirring this sh*t up. What do you hope to gain by smearing a guy who has been generally supportive of the POTUS, more so than most. A Dem seat from Texas?
BTW, I just went down the list of Libertarian 2020 POTUS candidates. Nope. No Cruz. Not even a Texan.
I think you need to get out of grandma's basement more.
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@Hat In Ring
Ok,if you really believe all that,why bother attacking him?
Because many people are playing him up thinking he's going to be in the game again. Wrong! There's many other strong Republican candidates on the rise and after Trump wins his second term the hunt for our 2024 candidate will begin.
Since one of my posts started this thread you may as well read another one on some of the more popular picks for the 2024 presidency. Who knows if they will run but we will find one that's acceptable.
Future Republican Presidential Candidates Possibilities:
http://teapartymainstreet.blogspot.com/2020/02/the-united-states-presidency-after.html (http://teapartymainstreet.blogspot.com/2020/02/the-united-states-presidency-after.html)
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Believe it or not, I remember that... Pissant's crew, back in the day on ToS :beer:
Pissant!
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Because many people are playing him up thinking he's going to be in the game again. Wrong! There's many other strong Republican candidates on the rise and after Trump wins his second term the hunt for our 2024 candidate will begin.
Since one of my posts started this thread you may as well read another one on some of the more popular picks for the 2024 presidency. Who knows if they will run but we will find one that's acceptable.
Future Republican Presidential Candidates Possibilities:
http://teapartymainstreet.blogspot.com/2020/02/the-united-states-presidency-after.html (http://teapartymainstreet.blogspot.com/2020/02/the-united-states-presidency-after.html)
Try citing someone else as a 'source', not the website linked under your avatar.
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Because many people are playing him up thinking he's going to be in the game again. Wrong! There's many other strong Republican candidates on the rise and after Trump wins his second term the hunt for our 2024 candidate will begin.
Since one of my posts started this thread you may as well read another one on some of the more popular picks for the 2024 presidency. Who knows if they will run but we will find one that's acceptable.
Future Republican Presidential Candidates Possibilities:
http://teapartymainstreet.blogspot.com/2020/02/the-united-states-presidency-after.html (http://teapartymainstreet.blogspot.com/2020/02/the-united-states-presidency-after.html)
I don't see him as President. No need for character assassination. Maybe in three years?
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I don't see him as President. No need for character assassination. Maybe in three years?
Exactly. Why this, now? Someone want to keep him off SCOTUS by reanimating all this BS and hoping it will fly this time?
That's a theory I'd consider.
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Pissant!
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He's back there you know, or at least was... He kissed the ring and came back wearing Tump Orange just before I walked off.
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He's back there you know, or at least was... He kissed the ring and came back wearing Tump Orange just before I walked off.
Great place for him.
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Exactly. Why this, now? Someone want to keep him off SCOTUS by reanimating all this BS and hoping it will fly this time?
That's a theory I'd consider.
Possible. It's also no secret that 'DEMS' have on occasion become members of various different 'Tea Party' groups for the purpose of trying to destroy viable conservative candidates. Looks like Ted is still a threat.
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Because many people are playing him up thinking he's going to be in the game again. Wrong! There's many other strong Republican candidates on the rise and after Trump wins his second term the hunt for our 2024 candidate will begin.
Since one of my posts started this thread you may as well read another one on some of the more popular picks for the 2024 presidency. Who knows if they will run but we will find one that's acceptable.
Future Republican Presidential Candidates Possibilities:
http://teapartymainstreet.blogspot.com/2020/02/the-united-states-presidency-after.html (http://teapartymainstreet.blogspot.com/2020/02/the-united-states-presidency-after.html)
I see how this is gonna go. You hate Cruz for your own misguided reasons and you’ll continue to post these look theories and articles full of...at best...half truths and cherry picked facts.
And anyone who disagrees with your opinions (that’s all they are in reality) you’ll either accuse of attacking you or being part of some Libertarian conspiracy.
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Exactly. Why this, now? Someone want to keep him off SCOTUS by reanimating all this BS and hoping it will fly this time?
That's a theory I'd consider.
Not even that complicated. Just someone with a very pliable brain who unfortunately believes everything Donald Trump and David Pecker ginned up to falsely smear the candidate who at one point was poised to send Donald back to Trump Tower empty handed.
Not quite a brainwashing...but close.
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I see how this is gonna go. You hate Cruz for your own misguided reasons and you’ll continue to post these look theories and articles full of...at best...half truths and cherry picked facts.
And anyone who disagrees with your opinions (that’s all they are in reality) you’ll either accuse of attacking you or being part of some Libertarian conspiracy.
@txradioguy that is where the 'ignore' feature comes in handy.
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@txradioguy that is where the 'ignore' feature comes in handy.
It might be handy at some point...
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It's beyond time ...
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You are not free to chase off good Members, is that what you mean? Or are we supposed to only allow speech that doesn't piss certain people off?
No.
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Why? Well, because you are saying he's not a rino and I'm saying he is. Ted Cruz's wife works for the libertarian Globalist CEO of Goldman Sachs and even borrowed 1 million dollars from this CEO.
READ HERE: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ted-cruz-improperly-accounted-for-goldman-sachs-loans-fec-decides (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ted-cruz-improperly-accounted-for-goldman-sachs-loans-fec-decides)
Ted Cruz was borrowing cash from guess who? "The Club For Growth" which is a libertarian outfit. So now Ted Cruz is endorsed and collecting cash from 3 libertarian entities which are, "The Club For Growth", "Ron Paul" and "Goldman Sachs".
https://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/club-for-growth-endorses-ted-cruz-221129 (https://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/club-for-growth-endorses-ted-cruz-221129)
Ted Cruz was NOT getting hardly any donations from supporters. Hell, the guy could hardly fill a High School gymnasium and Beto O'Rourk almost beat him.
I know more posts are coming declaring Ted Cruz is the new "Glory" of the United States but that's only because the libertarian party doesn't have anyone else. Protect your savior because libertarians cannot get anybody elected except by deceit, misinformation and infiltration into the Republican party.
Putting aside your issues with Cruz (remember, I’m neutral), I am intrigued by your idea that libertarians might be (are) sneaking candidates into the party right under the RNC’s nose without them sounding the alarm. Unless that’s your role? So, how do that work? Expound. I’m listening.
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Try citing someone else as a 'source', not the website linked under your avatar.
Sure, I guess I'm not smart enough and need a source to tell me what my thoughts should be. How bout the rag sites, "Red State" or "National Review". Maybe they can make up my mind so others will accept my writings as feasible. :silly:
OK, here's 6699 sources I refer to. Maybe listening to thousands upon thousands of people isn't a good enough source? You have to sign into your Facebook account to see them. The group belongs to me and all my sources are true Trump supporters. I would have over 50 thousand members but I kick out all the commie democrats, foreigners and never Trump libertarians. I do have many libertarians in the group that dumped the libertarian party when they found out myself and my buds had more of the values they liked then the libertarians that preach they have the values.
Maybe all those people at Trump rallies I listen to don't have any first hand knowledge and need a rag news web site to source also? I guess all of us dumb people have to be attached to some news web site before we can write anything because we cannot think and figure out anything ourselves.
Check it out: https://www.facebook.com/groups/donaldtrumpsrepublicanparty/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/donaldtrumpsrepublicanparty/)
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Were you asleep from January of 1981 through January of 1989?
I keep hearing Ronald Reagan is a conservative icon @txradioguy when actually Ronald Reagan was an American right-leaning populist. He believed in American greatness, freedom, the American dream, the flag, the military, and our constitution. He made us proud to be Americans again.
Reagan wasn't afraid to use a tariff when it protected American workers or ignore deficit spending, especially for military preparedness. He compromised on illegal immigration and---please, correct me if I'm wrong--spoke eloquently of pro-life opinions without putting pen to paper signing either an EO or legislation protecting the unborn during his eight years in the oval office.
What was the conservative accomplishment that keeps Reagan the one to beat for conservatives -- you know, the principled ones?
What am I missing about Ronald Reagan?
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Putting aside your issues with Cruz (remember, I’m neutral), I am intrigued by your idea that libertarians might be (are) sneaking candidates into the party right under the RNC’s nose without them sounding the alarm. Unless that’s your role? So, how do that work? Expound. I’m listening.
To Keep This Short,
"William F. Buckley" the founder of the "National Review" was basically a conservative back in 1955 and gained some popularity in the Republican party even though he was libertarian. Then over the decades after that the communists started taking over the democrat party after John F. Kennedy was shot by the communist. The more conservative democrats called "The Blue Dog Democrats" were being evicted slowly but surely and the eviction was finally complete in the late 1990's.
The democrats that were evicted from the democrat party started politicking in "William F. Buckleys" libertarian party and so the name, "Neo Con (Neo Conservative)" came to be meaning democrats in another party with conservative views. The libertarian party is filled with conservative democrats that can't make it in the democrat party.
Since the libertarians have some conservative values in the 1980's the dumb Republicans invited them in thinking the libertarians would be a voter boost and at first there may have been a boost but now the libertarians inside the Republican party will NOT vote for any Republican candidate. They only vote for candidates like "Rand Paul", "Ted Cruz" and other know libertarians that were elected under the Republican banner.
Libertarians cannot win running under their own banner and vote for some democrat issues because they hold some democrat values in the Republican Party like Mitt Romney. Mitt Romney is a libertarian without any doubt. Once they are elected under the Republican banner the libertarians will only vote for them and ignore all the good Republican candidates.
This is all true and comes from many hours of personal research.
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Sure, I guess I'm not smart enough and need a source to tell me what my thoughts should be. How bout the rag sites, "Red State" or "National Review". Maybe they can make up my mind so others will accept my writings as feasible. :silly:
@Hat In Ring
Just because you've regurgitated the Stone/Pecker 2016 slime narrative of the primaries , makes you have proof that Cruz is not a conservative? Funny, you have not cited one bit of proof of that assertion. Hate to tell you, but you are in a population of about .001% who believes that kind of crap.
Apparently, you have not studied, tallied, or analyzed Cruz' near 400 votes since 2013 to really give a objective analysis of his record.
Here is a little help. This is ACU's ranking of Cruz every year he has been in a senate, where 1st is most conservative and 50th least.
2013- 1st
2014- 1st
2015- 1st
2016- 1st
2017- 2nd
2018- 4th
2019- 2nd
So, please stop (1) with the bullshit that Cruz is a libertarian, (2) spewing rhetoric which just makes former Cruz supporters remember and angrier over the 2016 smears. Do you want to help Trump? You sure aren't doing it by pissing off people who like and support the senator. I don't know if you are neophyte when it comes to politics, but the 2016 Trump - Cruz battle was a huge schism within the party, and those scars are still healing. If you aren't smart enough to realize you are sabotaging Trump's efforts, then I don't think there is much hope for you.
I am coming to conclusion that you are a disruptor with ulterior. motives. I think you are here to damage the POTUS.
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To Keep This Short,
"William F. Buckley" the founder of the "National Review" was basically a conservative back in 1955 and gained some popularity in the Republican party even though he was libertarian.
Okay...
Has "the Onion" inflitrated TBR, and playing a joke on us?????
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@Hat In Ring
Just because you've regurgitated the Stone/Pecker 2016 slime narrative of the primaries , makes you have proof that Cruz is not a conservative? Funny, you have not cited one bit of proof of that assertion. Hate to tell you, but you are in a population of about .001% who believes that kind of crap.
Apparently, you have not studied, tallied, or analyzed Cruz' near 400 votes since 2013 to really give a objective analysis of his record.
Here is a little help. This is ACU's ranking of Cruz every year he has been in a senate, where 1st is most conservative and 50th least.
2013- 1st
2014- 1st
2015- 1st
2016- 1st
2017- 2nd
2018- 4th
2019- 2nd
So, please stop (1) with the bullshit that Cruz is a libertarian, (2) spewing rhetoric which just makes former Cruz supporters remember and angrier over the 2016 smears. Do you want to help Trump? You sure aren't doing it by pissing off people who like and support the senator. I don't know if you are neophyte when it comes to politics, but the 2016 Trump - Cruz battle was a huge schism within the party, and those scars are still healing. If you aren't smart enough to realize you are sabotaging Trump's efforts, then I think there is much hope for you.
I am coming to conclusion that you are a disruptor with ulterior. motives. I think you are here to damage the POTUS.
Perhaps he felt he was going to dazzle us with his brilliance and knowledge but certainly my assessment is quite the opposite. He's written a blog and has supposedly done some research. I asked a couple of questions which never got answered other than him posting a cartoon. What does that tell you?
This will be my last post on this topic. Not worth the time.
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Great place for him.
Now...can he take Sinks back too? 333cleo
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@Hat In Ring
Just because you've regurgitated the Stone/Pecker 2016 slime narrative of the primaries , makes you have proof that Cruz is not a conservative? Funny, you have not cited one bit of proof of that assertion. Hate to tell you, but you are in a population of about .001% who believes that kind of crap.
Apparently, you have not studied, tallied, or analyzed Cruz' near 400 votes since 2013 to really give a objective analysis of his record.
Here is a little help. This is ACU's ranking of Cruz every year he has been in a senate, where 1st is most conservative and 50th least.
2013- 1st
2014- 1st
2015- 1st
2016- 1st
2017- 2nd
2018- 4th
2019- 2nd
So, please stop (1) with the bullshit that Cruz is a libertarian, (2) spewing rhetoric which just makes former Cruz supporters remember and angrier over the 2016 smears. Do you want to help Trump? You sure aren't doing it by pissing off people who like and support the senator. I don't know if you are neophyte when it comes to politics, but the 2016 Trump - Cruz battle was a huge schism within the party, and those scars are still healing. If you aren't smart enough to realize you are sabotaging Trump's efforts, then I think there is much hope for you.
I am coming to conclusion that you are a disruptor with ulterior. motives. I think you are here to damage the POTUS.
Sure boss!
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No.
I'm glad you can understand my position. :patriot:
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Sure boss!
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@Hat In Ring
Is that the best you got? No one ever doubted the fact that Trump has far superior skills in generating a crowd of supporters. But what does that have to do with Cruz and his "Libertarianistic" political leanings? When presented an arugument you juke and spin, not respond with facts or sound counters. I think you've deemed yours into a new category...... A Klog. A Kook with a Blog.
Bottom line, I find it extermely strange and puzzling that you have gone to such lengths and trouble to smear a good conservative like Cruz, when there are countless despicable liberals out there. Have you heard of people like Biden, Sanders, AOC, Pelosi, and on and on and on and on. Where are your blog entries heralding their crimes?
'Cause.I gotta tell you, if your intent is to help President Trump, attacking a primary opponent from 4 years ago, is a losing strategy.
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Sure, I guess I'm not smart enough and need a source to tell me what my thoughts should be. How bout the rag sites, "Red State" or "National Review". Maybe they can make up my mind so others will accept my writings as feasible. :silly:
OK, here's 6699 sources I refer to. Maybe listening to thousands upon thousands of people isn't a good enough source? You have to sign into your Facebook account to see them. The group belongs to me and all my sources are true Trump supporters. I would have over 50 thousand members but I kick out all the commie democrats, foreigners and never Trump libertarians. I do have many libertarians in the group that dumped the libertarian party when they found out myself and my buds had more of the values they liked then the libertarians that preach they have the values.
Maybe all those people at Trump rallies I listen to don't have any first hand knowledge and need a rag news web site to source also? I guess all of us dumb people have to be attached to some news web site before we can write anything because we cannot think and figure out anything ourselves.
Check it out: https://www.facebook.com/groups/donaldtrumpsrepublicanparty/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/donaldtrumpsrepublicanparty/)
Blog pimping and fronting for fecebook?
I'm done with you.
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'Cause.I gotta tell you, if your intent is to help President Trump, attacking a primary opponent from 4 years ago, is a losing strategy.
I wouldn't call it "losing," but it is failing to get any purchase here. We litigated this pretty fully back then. Let's just say it was a...spirited...debate. I hadn't installed this smiley yet:
:dumpster:
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@Hat In Ring
Is that the best you got? No one ever doubted the fact that Trump has far superior skills in generating a crowd of supporters. But what does that have to do with Cruz and his "Libertarianistic" political leanings? When presented an arugument you juke and spin, not respond with facts or sound counters. I think you've deemed yours into a new category...... A Klog. A Kook with a Blog.
Bottom line, I find it extermely strange and puzzling that you have gone to such lengths and trouble to smear a good conservative like Cruz, when there are countless despicable liberals out there. Have you heard of people like Biden, Sanders, AOC, Pelosi, and on and on and on and on. Where are your blog entries heralding their crimes?
'Cause.I gotta tell you, if your intent is to help President Trump, attacking a primary opponent from 4 years ago, is a losing strategy.
Is this the best I have, "No" but the libertarians here are sure aroused by it.
Wow! I'm impressed now. Really! You finally admitted Ted Cruz has Libertarianistic politicle leanings.
The clique of group think here surely thinks that I'm hurting Donald Trump but it only goes to show they don't read well since Ted Cruz lost big time that lead to Donald Trump's victory.
As for the best I have? I can flood this forum with hard core Trump supporters. I know there are already Trump supporters here but I can amplify that somewhat. You may not be a Facebook supporter but that's where the Trump supporters are. They just need to know about the membership makeup here and that they will be taken care of when they join.
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As for the best I have? I can flood this forum with hard core Trump supporters. I know there are already Trump supporters here but I can amplify that somewhat. You may not be a Facebook supporter but that's where the Trump supporters are. They just need to know about the membership makeup here and that they will be taken care of when they join.
What did you have in mind for your new friends? This could get interesting.
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What did you have in mind for your new friends? This could get interesting.
My new friends here or the ones that will come from Facebook?
The Trump supporters do not like to deal with the backlash I'm getting here. On Facebook it's really easy to block out personalities that conflict with yours. This forum is on really old script with no blocking or ignore function so the Trump supporters wouldn't be comfortable here unless they were supported properly.
I don't go on forums and websites without the blocking function but since a copy/pasted segment of one of my posts was posted here to start this thread I decided I will have to waste my time defending myself against unwanted aggression by fools and idiots. NO, this isn't the first time I've been through this. I'm very experienced. I just get tired of it as all Trump supporters do.
In my Facebook group I vet the people before they get in and you can believe that all 6699 members are solid hard core Trump supporters that like the fact they don't have to put up with the "Never Trump Libertarians" and "Commie Democrats".
I like being amongst non libertarian "Tea Party People" but when I have to I can mop up the floor with these libertarians and democrats. :yowsa:
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I'm glad you can understand my position. :patriot:
I don't.
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My new friends here or the ones that will come from Facebook?
The Trump supporters do not like to deal with the backlash I'm getting here. On Facebook it's really easy to block out personalities that conflict with yours. This forum is on really old script with no blocking or ignore function so the Trump supporters wouldn't be comfortable here unless they were supported properly.
I don't go on forums and websites without the blocking function but since a copy/pasted segment of one of my posts was posted here to start this thread I decided I will have to waste my time defending myself against unwanted aggression by fools and idiots. NO, this isn't the first time I've been through this. I'm very experienced. I just get tired of it as all Trump supporters do.
In my Facebook group I vet the people before they get in and you can believe that all 6699 members are solid hard core Trump supporters that like the fact they don't have to put up with the "Never Trump Libertarians" and "Commie Democrats".
I like being amongst non libertarian "Tea Party People" but when I have to I can mop up the floor with these libertarians and democrats. :yowsa:
@Hat In Ring
Let me give you a little history lesson sonny. "The (modern) TEA PARTY" was a brainchild of conservative Chicago Mercantile Trader Rick Santelli, who led a rant against new Obama stimulus initiatives in February 2009. It was born in the concept of fiscal conservative government policy. Something your faction is oblivious too. Kooks like you have hijacked the Tea Party movement, and are a freakin' joke. I kid you not......You f'ers are absolute method actors for "The Onion"
Here is another set of facts for you and (coug cough) Kiddie Corp Tea-Cuppers . The following is a contribution of each president towards the national debt, after it reaches $30T this year. Numbers cited are in $Trillions. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-much-each-us-president-has-contributed-to-the-national-debt-2018-10-29 (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-much-each-us-president-has-contributed-to-the-national-debt-2018-10-29)
And don't forget.... Trump did this in only 4 years
Trump- 13.7
Obama- 8.6
G.W. Bush- 5.9
Clinton- 1.4
G.H.W. Bush- 1.6
Reagan- 1.9
Carter- 0.3
Ford- 0.2
Nixon- 0.1
So don't give me this Tea Party song and dance around Trump. And now you are calling people like Cruz and Buckley Libertarians? Do you like people laughing at you?
And last....Your last ridiculous post came across as a veiled threat. I seriously doubt there are 6698 nutjobs who share your warped thinking. You know, I could throw a few facts of how Trump wrote checks supporting the Clintons, made pro-choice comments, and used to be a registered democrat not that long ago. But I prefer taking the high road, and support this POTUS for re-election in a conservative-populist coalition. Because we at TBR want to defeat Biden, and the other enemy dimocrats, not smear good solid conservative legislators.
You OTOH, prefer to stir shit, bringing up old debunked accusations, and making absurd statements. In any case, I've wasted too much time already responding to your silliness.
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I don't.
I'm disappointed. Do you think we don't have free speech? Bear in mind, it's never totally "free," we do have rules against personal attacks and trolling. Is your speech restricted, beyond those rules? Or are you being a Karen for someone else you think needs a voice, but for whatever reason doesn't speak up?
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My new friends here or the ones that will come from Facebook?
I assume you've been on Bookface for a while, so you figure it out.
The Trump supporters do not like to deal with the backlash I'm getting here. On Facebook it's really easy to block out personalities that conflict with yours. This forum is on really old script with no blocking or ignore function so the Trump supporters wouldn't be comfortable here unless they were supported properly.
Are you too lazy to figure out the Ignore system? The software may have its issues, but that's no excuse for not seeing it in the Profile settings. If you feel the need, and still can't figure it out, let me know and I'll show you what everybody else here who felt the need knows.
I don't go on forums and websites without the blocking function but since a copy/pasted segment of one of my posts was posted here to start this thread I decided I will have to waste my time defending myself against unwanted aggression by fools and idiots. NO, this isn't the first time I've been through this. I'm very experienced. I just get tired of it as all Trump supporters do.
In my Facebook group I vet the people before they get in and you can believe that all 6699 members are solid hard core Trump supporters that like the fact they don't have to put up with the "Never Trump Libertarians" and "Commie Democrats".
I like being amongst non libertarian "Tea Party People" but when I have to I can mop up the floor with these libertarians and democrats. :yowsa:
OK, so are you saying your entire purpose for signing up is to "mop up the floor" with people you don't like? Two things, Scooter: You failed when the Members expertly pwned you, and secondly you are not welcome here if that is to be your function. I deal with enough internet trolls as it is without your presence.
Thanks for slumming at TBR.
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Has Diogenes found the True Scotsman?
Has the Scotsman found the True Diogenes?
:dumpster: :dumpster: :dumpster: :dumpster: :dumpster:
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Has Diogenes found the True Scotsman?
@PeteS in CA
The True Scotsman is easy to find and identify. He is the REALLY big guy shouting drunken threats at anyone close enough to shout at,and he has an accent thick enough to cut with a battle axe.
His little brothers are called "The Irish".
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@PeteS in CA
The True Scotsman is easy to find and identify. He is the REALLY big guy shouting drunken threats at anyone close enough to shout at,and he has an accent thick enough to cut with a battle axe.
His little brothers are called "The Irish".
I'm not touching the next line with a 10-foot, ummmm, German! :silly: (I don't pick on the Poles, ****drummer )
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Cruz not born in Texas.
Reagan not born in Calif.
G.W. Bush not born in Texas
McCain not born in Ariz.
Romney not born in Mass.
IMO 150 posts about calling TX Sen. Ted Cruz, a RINO reflects very, very badly on this site; as a "conservative hub"
goopo
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@Hat In Ring
Is that the best you got? No one ever doubted the fact that Trump has far superior skills in generating a crowd of supporters. But what does that have to do with Cruz and his "Libertarianistic" political leanings? When presented an arugument you juke and spin, not respond with facts or sound counters. I think you've deemed yours into a new category...... A Klog. A Kook with a Blog.
Bottom line, I find it extermely strange and puzzling that you have gone to such lengths and trouble to smear a good conservative like Cruz, when there are countless despicable liberals out there. Have you heard of people like Biden, Sanders, AOC, Pelosi, and on and on and on and on. Where are your blog entries heralding their crimes?
'Cause.I gotta tell you, if your intent is to help President Trump, attacking a primary opponent from 4 years ago, is a losing strategy.
@catfish1957 you notice he comes back again with deceptive editing in the furtherance of his propaganda/smear campaign?
That’s a rally for a Trump that’s recent...since he was President. The Cruz pic is typical of what you’d see during a primary when a candidate is speaking to small groups in every town you can hit in a state.
He thinks we’re stupid.
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I like being amongst non libertarian "Tea Party People" but when I have to I can mop up the floor with these libertarians and democrats. :yowsa:
@Hat In Ring the only way you mop the floor around here In any way shape ornform...is as the janitor. You sure aren’t going to do it in any other way.
I’ve been dealing with your “I’m not conservative that you/I’m the ultimate conservative†type for almost 2 decades on forms like this.
You’re not new and either is your act.
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@Hat In Ring the only way you mop the floor around here In any way shape ornform...is as the janitor. You sure aren’t going to do it in any other way.
I’ve been dealing with your “I’m not conservative that you/I’m the ultimate conservative†type for almost 2 decades on forms like this.
You’re not new and either is your act.
LOL!
Next generation coming up, @txradioguy They have all the answers.
I remember "The Brandon Twins" back on the Orioles' Usenet newsgroup back in '96 and their Wire-to-Wire season in '97.
Kids. Cal Ripken, Jr. groupies. smh.....
They're probably either brain surgeons or computer hackers today.
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LOL!
Next generation coming up, @txradioguy They have all the answers.
I remember "The Brandon Twins" back on the Orioles' Usenet newsgroup back in '96 and their Wire-to-Wire season in '97.
Kids. Cal Ripken, Jr. groupies. smh.....
They're probably either brain surgeons or computer hackers today.
Proud members of Antifa? :smokin:
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LOL!
Next generation coming up, @txradioguy They have all the answers.
I remember "The Brandon Twins" back on the Orioles' Usenet newsgroup back in '96 and their Wire-to-Wire season in '97.
Kids. Cal Ripken, Jr. groupies. smh.....
They're probably either brain surgeons or computer hackers today.
Usenet...now that’s a name I haven’t heard in a long time. That and the old BBS sites are where I got my start. Look how far we’ve come.
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Usenet...now that’s a name I haven’t heard in a long time. That and the old BBS sites are where I got my start. Look how far we’ve come.
Gopher!!
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Gopher!!
I think that was created around the time the first 800 baud modem was manufactured. #DamnYoureOld
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I think that was created around the time the first 800 baud modem was manufactured. #DamnYoureOld
Yeah, I had a screaming fast Commodore 64 and a 300 baud modem. The first thing I did with Gopher was to find a schematic for an adapter to hook up a 1.200 baud Hayes to the half-assed RS232 interface on the C-64.
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I first got online with a VT100 video terminal on my Sym-1 and a 300 baud modem.
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We were just doing timeshare with the mainframe at UVa from the teletype widgets on a phone line modem. I still hate paper tape...
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@Hat In Ring
Let me give you a little history lesson sonny. "The (modern) TEA PARTY" was a brainchild of conservative Chicago Mercantile Trader Rick Santelli, who led a rant against new Obama stimulus initiatives in February 2009. It was born in the concept of fiscal conservative government policy. Something your faction is oblivious too. Kooks like you have hijacked the Tea Party movement, and are a freakin' joke. I kid you not......You f'ers are absolute method actors for "The Onion"
Here is another set of facts for you and (coug cough) Kiddie Corp Tea-Cuppers . The following is a contribution of each president towards the national debt, after it reaches $30T this year. Numbers cited are in $Trillions. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-much-each-us-president-has-contributed-to-the-national-debt-2018-10-29 (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-much-each-us-president-has-contributed-to-the-national-debt-2018-10-29)
And don't forget.... Trump did this in only 4 years
Trump- 13.7
Obama- 8.6
G.W. Bush- 5.9
Clinton- 1.4
G.H.W. Bush- 1.6
Reagan- 1.9
Carter- 0.3
Ford- 0.2
Nixon- 0.1
So don't give me this Tea Party song and dance around Trump. And now you are calling people like Cruz and Buckley Libertarians? Do you like people laughing at you?
And last....Your last ridiculous post came across as a veiled threat. I seriously doubt there are 6698 nutjobs who share your warped thinking. You know, I could throw a few facts of how Trump wrote checks supporting the Clintons, made pro-choice comments, and used to be a registered democrat not that long ago. But I prefer taking the high road, and support this POTUS for re-election in a conservative-populist coalition. Because we at TBR want to defeat Biden, and the other enemy dimocrats, not smear good solid conservative legislators.
You OTOH, prefer to stir shit, bringing up old debunked accusations, and making absurd statements. In any case, I've wasted too much time already responding to your silliness.
That's B.S. buddy boy! Both Rick Santelli and Ron Paul have claimed to be the founders of the Tea Party but the truth is the Tea Party is the old Ross Perot Political Reform Party from the mid 1990's. "The Reform Party" is still around but all the Reform Party supporters went back to the Republican party after year 2001 and laid dormant until 2008 when the commie barack obama emerged to run for the presidency. The "Ross Perot Reform Party" emerged again and took on the name "Tea Party" and began protesting the higher taxes the new commie president was going to bring. Then the libertarian party jumped in on the protests that were never theirs introducing the "Tea Party Express" and falsely laid claim to the founding of the "Tea Party".
Everything you are spewing is all junk I've heard over and over again and it all is put out as misinformation by libertarian controlled media outlets to keep yourself and others in the libertarian camp.
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That's B.S. buddy boy! Both Rick Santelli and Ron Paul have claimed to be the founders of the Tea Party but the truth is the Tea Party is the old Ross Perot Political Reform Party from the mid 1990's. "The Reform Party" is still around but all the Reform Party supporters went back to the Republican party after year 2001 and laid dormant until 2008 when the commie barack obama emerged to run for the presidency. The "Ross Perot Reform Party" emerged again and took on the name "Tea Party" and began protesting the higher taxes the new commie president was going to bring. Then the libertarian party jumped in on the protests that were never theirs introducing the "Tea Party Express" and falsely laid claim to the founding of the "Tea Party".
Everything you are spewing is all junk I've heard over and over again and it all is put out as misinformation by libertarian controlled media outlets to keep yourself and others in the libertarian camp.
@Hat In Ring
Not sure where you get your info....
Historically, populist (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/populist) movements in the United States have arisen in response to periods of economic hardship, beginning with the proto-populist Greenback (https://www.britannica.com/event/Greenback-movement) and Granger (https://www.britannica.com/event/Granger-movement) movements in the 1860s and ’70s and continuing with William Jennings Bryan (https://www.britannica.com/biography/William-Jennings-Bryan)’s Populist Party (https://www.britannica.com/event/Populist-Movement) in the 1890s and Louisiana politician Huey Long (https://www.britannica.com/biography/Huey-Long-American-politician)’s Share Our Wealth program during the Great Depression (https://www.britannica.com/event/Great-Depression) of the 1930s. In the wake of the financial crisis that swept the globe in 2008, populist sentiment (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sentiment) was once more on the rise. The catalyst (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/catalyst) for what would become known as the Tea Party movement came on February 19, 2009, when Rick Santelli, a commentator on the business-news network CNBC, referenced the Boston Tea Party (https://www.britannica.com/event/Boston-Tea-Party) (1773) in his response to Pres. Barack Obama (https://www.britannica.com/biography/Barack-Obama)’s mortgage relief plan. Speaking from the floor of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, Santelli heatedly stated that the bailout would “subsidize the losers’ mortgages†and proposed a Chicago Tea Party to protest government intervention in the housing market. The five-minute clip became an Internet sensation, and the “Tea Party†rallying cry struck a chord with those who had already seen billions of dollars flow toward sagging financial firms. Unlike previous populist movements, which were characterized by a distrust of business in general and bankers in particular, the Tea Party movement focused its ire at the federal government and extolled the virtues of free market (https://www.britannica.com/topic/capitalism) principles.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Tea-Party-movement/The-2012-election-and-the-government-shutdown-of-2013 (https://www.britannica.com/topic/Tea-Party-movement/The-2012-election-and-the-government-shutdown-of-2013)
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There are 2, possibly 3 Briefers that share your level of dislike for Sen. Cruz here and ironically they are rabid Trumpers @Hat In Ring
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I enjoyed watching that poster making heads explode, back in the day.
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I got your PM, @Hat In Ring.
(That meme of Cruz won't win you friends, and a lot of folks who did not like him in 16 are fine with him now.)
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There are 2, possibly 3 Briefers that share your level of dislike for Sen. Cruz here and ironically they are rabid Trumpers @Hat In Ring
I bet there's more and they just don't want to deal with the libertarians flaming threads. Hell, I don't ever go on libertarian or democrat threads in other forums or on Facebook. I just came onto this thread to set the record right that Ted Cruz is Rino or I never would have signed up on this forum.
I might find some friends here after a while. You know the words, "Stumble upon" and I Stumbled Upon this forum. I thought this old type of forum was dead. There's many Facebook type conservative web sites opening up but they aren't very active. This old style forum seems to be more active than most of the newer Facebook type sites.
We'll see, easy come easy go.
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I bet there's more and they just don't want to deal with the libertarians flaming threads. Hell, I don't ever go on libertarian or democrat threads in other forums or on Facebook. I just came onto this thread to set the record right that Ted Cruz is Rino or I never would have signed up on this forum.
I might find some friends here after a while. You know the words, "Stumble upon" and I Stumbled Upon this forum. I thought this old type of forum was dead. There's many Facebook type conservative web sites opening up but they aren't very active. This old style forum seems to be more active than most of the newer Facebook type sites.
We'll see, easy come easy go.
BRiefers view Bookface and related sites with a great deal of suspicion, what with Zuck clamping down on speech and bannings. That's not how it works here.
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I got your PM, @Hat In Ring.
(That meme of Cruz won't win you friends, and a lot of folks who did not like him in 16 are fine with him now.)
I'll make plenty of friends, I just have to find them. The libertarian "Never Trumpers" will never stop trashing Trump to befriend me and I'm not going to kiss up to Cruz just to get friends here.
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I'll make plenty of friends, I just have to find them. The libertarian "Never Trumpers" will never stop trashing Trump to befriend me and I'm not going to kiss up to Cruz just to get friends here.
We have a "No kissing up required" rule. In fact, if you do kiss up to people they'll show you the appropriate level of gratitude! :smokin:
Surf around the Forum a little, read some threads. You'll get a feel for your natural allies and friends. They exist, and half the fun is finding the jewels. It's better than looking for Easter Eggs in Bizarro cartoons. Speeking of cartoons, we have a daily thread called "Pookies Toons." They are in a Category on the home page.
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We need a LA/HiR category where they can spend all their time stroking each other. They’ll be in hog heaven...and it’ll be a lovely quarantine from the rest of us.
And @Cyber Liberty ....wow, are you gonna kick yourself. :whistle:
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We need a LA/HiR category where they can spend all their time stroking each other. They’ll be in hog heaven...and it’ll be a lovely quarantine from the rest of us.
And @Cyber Liberty ....wow, are you gonna kick yourself. :whistle:
You forget: I own the TBR Popcorn Concession.
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That's B.S. buddy boy! Both Rick Santelli and Ron Paul have claimed to be the founders of the Tea Party but the truth is the Tea Party is the old Ross Perot Political Reform Party from the mid 1990's. "The Reform Party" is still around but all the Reform Party supporters went back to the Republican party after year 2001 and laid dormant until 2008 when the commie barack obama emerged to run for the presidency. The "Ross Perot Reform Party" emerged again and took on the name "Tea Party" and began protesting the higher taxes the new commie president was going to bring. Then the libertarian party jumped in on the protests that were never theirs introducing the "Tea Party Express" and falsely laid claim to the founding of the "Tea Party".
Everything you are spewing is all junk I've heard over and over again and it all is put out as misinformation by libertarian controlled media outlets to keep yourself and others in the libertarian camp.
Ron Paul has never to my knowledge or in all of the propaganda shoved down my throat by Ronulans ever claimed to be any kind of founder of the Tea Party.
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There are 2, possibly 3 Briefers that share your level of dislike for Sen. Cruz here and ironically they are rabid Trumpers @Hat In Ring
I guarantee you they've been lurking on this thread and smiling at all of the BS HiR has been posting about Cruz...because they agree with him.
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Everything you are spewing is all junk I've heard over and over again and it all is put out as misinformation by libertarian controlled media outlets to keep yourself and others in the libertarian camp.
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Ron Paul has never to my knowledge or in all of the propaganda shoved down my throat by Ronulans ever claimed to be any kind of founder of the Tea Party.
Good! I'm glad to hear a libertarian admit what factually is true. :yowsa:
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Good! I'm glad to hear a libertarian admit what factually is true. :yowsa:
I'm not a Libertarian. You clearly don't know politically speaking what a Libertarian is.
Ron Paul IS a Libertarian...I am clearly NOT.
Pull your head out.
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Ok, I am done with this fruit loop. I am going to use that nonexistent block feature on this bozo. Enough stupid in my life.
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Ok, I am done with this fruit loop. I am going to use that nonexistent block feature on this bozo. Enough stupid in my life.
It doesn't exist, but if it did you would go to your "Profile Info", hover over "Modify Profile", and then select the "Buddies/Ignore List" option. But as you say, it's "nonexistent". :silly:
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You are one sick SOB.
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If all the politicians that have been mentioned on this thread are truly libertarians, why in in the hell is the federal government so large?
Weren't the libertarians the ones who were going to strike down bad laws, and devolve everything back to the states, via the 10th amendment, stay out of foreign wars, let everyone get high, etc.?
If all these people are libertarians, they aren't doing a very good job of it.
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I bet there's more and they just don't want to deal with the libertarians flaming threads. Hell, I don't ever go on libertarian or democrat threads in other forums or on Facebook. I just came onto this thread to set the record right that Ted Cruz is Rino or I never would have signed up on this forum.
I might find some friends here after a while. You know the words, "Stumble upon" and I Stumbled Upon this forum. I thought this old type of forum was dead.
We'll see, easy come easy go.
Most of your stumbling is of the mental variety. In your sick obtusivated world, Cruz might as well be a livertarian, because you have no clue telling the differenance between a anatomical organ, and a political leaning.
Only thing worse than a troll, is a troll still living in 2016. Where's the fly swatter?