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Title: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 20, 2017, 12:52:37 pm
Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Daily Caller, Aug 19,2017,Ginni Thomas

Speaker of the House Paul Ryan advised Republicans to run away from candidate Donald Trump before the election in order to save themselves and hold a future-President Hillary Clinton accountable, Republican Rep. Louie Gohmert of Texas revealed in an exclusive video interview with The Daily Caller New Foundation.

“Are you crazy? We haven’t held anyone accountable. You haven’t even let us hold the IRS commissioner accountable [for using government power to harm President Obama’s political adversaries],” an astonished Gohmert said to the speaker on a call.

Gohmert told The DCNF he speaks so courageously because he wants the party to succeed and is appreciative of the prayers sustaining him. He struggles to find joy as he watches government leaders run from doing what is best for the nation at this critical time.

“We don’t want to go down in history as the generation that was fine with making the future for our kids much worse than we had it,” he said.


More:  http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/19/paul-ryan-advised-republicans-to-run-from-trump-prior-to-election-day-says-gohmert-video/
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 20, 2017, 12:54:53 pm
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Speaker of the House Paul Ryan advised Republicans to run away from candidate Donald Trump before the election in order to save themselves and hold a future-President Hillary Clinton accountable

Words fail me.  The GOPe truly wanted Hillary to win.   Are there any lingering doubts that a major portion of the GOP Congressional Caucus is actively working against the President's agenda??  Anyone still think Congress will pass healthcare and tax reform??

BTW, just caught Gohmert on Fox and he confirmed this.  He still sounded incredulous.



Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: dfwgator on August 20, 2017, 01:22:08 pm
Words fail me.  The GOPe truly wanted Hillary to win.   Are there any lingering doubts that a major portion of the GOP Congressional Caucus is actively working against the President's agenda??  Anyone still think Congress will pass healthcare and tax reform??

BTW, just caught Gohmert on Fox and he confirmed this.  He still sounded incredulous.

More like,  they wanted Trump to win,  then remove him for Pence.
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: Oceander on August 20, 2017, 01:54:20 pm
Words would, predictably, fail the morons who saddled us with Trump in the GOP primaries. 
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 20, 2017, 02:22:11 pm
Words would, predictably, fail the morons who saddled us with Trump in the GOP primaries.

Oh, do give it a rest.  You hate Trump. You're pissed as hell that he won the primary and the general election.  I get it.  We ALL get it @Oceander

But your need to cling to this hate and anger is not enough of a justification to point a "guilty" finger at the citizens who elected Donald Trump instead of the Republicans fighting to keep Obamacare and against tax reform.

Just how badly do you want to punish this generation of Americans and the ones to follow because your candidate lost?

Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: Cripplecreek on August 20, 2017, 02:44:15 pm
Words would, predictably, fail the morons who saddled us with Trump in the GOP primaries.

The smart ones will flee from Trump or he'll be persona non grata in their races. The simple fact is that Trump's "help" did more harm than help in last year's primary races. Those Trump did support collapsed and Trump switched his support to the establishment candidates or he supported establishment candidates all along. Most winning candidates did so by far wider margins than Trump.
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on August 20, 2017, 02:57:33 pm
Wow, politicians don't want to  be associated with the Twitterer in chief with the 35% approval rating. Shocking.

Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: TomSea on August 20, 2017, 03:08:10 pm
 :soangry:

 000hehehehe
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: Oceander on August 20, 2017, 03:22:53 pm
Oh, do give it a rest.  You hate Trump. You're pissed as hell that he won the primary and the general election.  I get it.  We ALL get it @Oceander

But your need to cling to this hate and anger is not enough of a justification to point a "guilty" finger at the citizens who elected Donald Trump instead of the Republicans fighting to keep Obamacare and against tax reform.

Just how badly do you want to punish this generation of Americans and the ones to follow because your candidate lost?



:bigsilly:


You're so pathetic.  It's really disgusting watching one human being worship another up close. 
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: endicom on August 20, 2017, 03:28:10 pm
"A sinecure, a sinecure! The kingdom for a sinecure!"
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: mystery-ak on August 20, 2017, 03:37:35 pm
Oceander and RIV please stop!
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 20, 2017, 03:42:32 pm
Oceander and RIV please stop!

I asked a serious, heartfelt question, but okay @mystery-ak   Understood!   :beer:
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: Cyber Liberty on August 20, 2017, 03:44:08 pm
However one feels about the Trump Wars, there's no denying Ryan did his level best to sabotage the Nominee of his own party.
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on August 20, 2017, 03:45:21 pm
However one feels about the Trump Wars, there's no denying Ryan did his level best to sabotage the Nominee of his own party.

Rump sabotaged himself.
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: Cyber Liberty on August 20, 2017, 03:53:31 pm
Yes, he went over to Ryan's office and forced him to refuse to accept Trump as the Nominee.   *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 20, 2017, 03:56:49 pm
Yes, he went over to Ryan's office and forced him to refuse to accept Trump as the Nominee.   *****rollingeyes*****

+1    88devil
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: anubias on August 20, 2017, 05:56:23 pm
Ambulance chasers love them some Democrats.
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: Oceander on August 20, 2017, 05:58:52 pm
Ambulance chasers love them some Democrats.

What, if anything, does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: Cyber Liberty on August 20, 2017, 06:07:39 pm
What, if anything, does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

I know that pisses you off, but it has me scratching my head too....
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: INVAR on August 20, 2017, 06:23:28 pm
Are there any lingering doubts that a major portion of the GOP Congressional Caucus is actively working against the President's agenda??

Are there any lingering doubts that the majority of the Republican Party caucus are Democrat/Leftist/Statists who have infiltrated it and taken the party for their own?

But please, continue voting for them - because you know.... the alternative is 'worse'.
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: AllThatJazzZ on August 20, 2017, 06:32:02 pm
The Republican Party will not survive the Trump administration. Whatever hopes we had of moving in a more conservative direction can be abandoned. Trump happened, and, barring a miracle, Constitutional conservatism will end up being the casualty. No one will care what any Republican has to say about anything after this administration because they'll lump us all in with Trumpism. And, of course, he keeps adding fuel to the fire because of his thin skin, so the chaos will be with us all through his administration.

These are the things that much of the Republican party understood if Trump became the nominee. Both RINO and true conservative knew this but have had to give the impression of a united front for the sake of the party. Everyone knew it could only last for so long because Trump is Trump. My embarrassment of having him as president is only outweighed by my abject fear of what is yet to become of conservatism. At some point, someone will need to bugle "Taps" for the party of Lincoln.
 8888crybaby
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: Oceander on August 20, 2017, 06:44:29 pm
The Republican Party will not survive the Trump administration. Whatever hopes we had of moving in a more conservative direction can be abandoned. Trump happened, and, barring a miracle, Constitutional conservatism will end up being the casualty. No one will care what any Republican has to say about anything after this administration because they'll lump us all in with Trumpism. And, of course, he keeps adding fuel to the fire because of his thin skin, so the chaos will be with us all through his administration.

These are the things that much of the Republican party understood if Trump became the nominee. Both RINO and true conservative knew this but have had to give the impression of a united front for the sake of the party. Everyone knew it could only last for so long because Trump is Trump. My embarrassment of having him as president is only outweighed by my abject fear of what is yet to become of conservatism. At some point, someone will need to bugle "Taps" for the party of Lincoln.
 8888crybaby

I disagree with you on a lot of things, but I wholeheartedly agree with you on this. 
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: Emjay on August 20, 2017, 07:04:41 pm
Words fail me.  The GOPe truly wanted Hillary to win.   Are there any lingering doubts that a major portion of the GOP Congressional Caucus is actively working against the President's agenda??  Anyone still think Congress will pass healthcare and tax reform??

BTW, just caught Gohmert on Fox and he confirmed this.  He still sounded incredulous.

Gohmert is the best.  Great guy.

I think the 2018 elections will tell us something as will the Alabama election.

Most people want Obamacare gone.  The Republicans claim to, but refuse to act.  Maybe they're waiting for someone else to blame it on.

If we can elect 5 or 6 more real conservatives to the Senate who will follow Ted Cruz and Mike Lee, we could reclaim the party and the country.
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: Emjay on August 20, 2017, 07:09:31 pm
The Republican Party will not survive the Trump administration. Whatever hopes we had of moving in a more conservative direction can be abandoned. Trump happened, and, barring a miracle, Constitutional conservatism will end up being the casualty. No one will care what any Republican has to say about anything after this administration because they'll lump us all in with Trumpism. And, of course, he keeps adding fuel to the fire because of his thin skin, so the chaos will be with us all through his administration.

These are the things that much of the Republican party understood if Trump became the nominee. Both RINO and true conservative knew this but have had to give the impression of a united front for the sake of the party. Everyone knew it could only last for so long because Trump is Trump. My embarrassment of having him as president is only outweighed by my abject fear of what is yet to become of conservatism. At some point, someone will need to bugle "Taps" for the party of Lincoln.
 8888crybaby

How very sad that you are embarrassed.

Even more sad that you view everything through a prism of Trump hate.

I was totally against him but he has not been a bad President.  Every day he does something conservative that nobody notices because he's 'embarrassed' them by a dumb tweet.

Yesterday, he disbanded a committee that was mucking about discussing climate change. 

With so many forces against him, he has still accomplished a lot.  He's made a good start on judges and he will continue to fill the judiciary with conservatives.

He's supported the troops and the army and is trying to rid the army of people with serious emotional problems.

But, hey, if you're embarrassed, let's get rid of him.
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: INVAR on August 20, 2017, 07:16:01 pm

If we can elect 5 or 6 more real conservatives to the Senate who will follow Ted Cruz and Mike Lee, we could reclaim the party and the country.

You can keep lying to yourself with that delusion, and refuse to acknowledge the fact that the rules were rewritten at the last two conventions to PROHIBIT any kind of grassroots Conservative from getting elected, not to mention the the oligarchy only rewards it's own Statists and punishes and ostracizes anyone who actually governs according to their oath.

There is no saving the Republican party.  There is no place for Conservatives within the Republican party.

Only moderate Democrats, liberals and thanks to Trump, nationalist populists.

Conservatives were told to get out and hit the road.  There will be no more Lees or Cruz or Pauls' to the GOP.  The party only endorses and backs liberals.
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 20, 2017, 07:21:04 pm
Are there any lingering doubts that the majority of the Republican Party caucus are Democrat/Leftist/Statists who have infiltrated it and taken the party for their own?

But please, continue voting for them - because you know.... the alternative is 'worse'.

I exercise my Constitutionally guaranteed right to vote based on the choices I have.  I am not one to take my marbles and stay home because a fantasy candidate is not on the ballot.

I'm not going to change @INVAR.. so your time would be better spent opining about this to someone else.


Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: TomSea on August 20, 2017, 07:24:08 pm
We should have elected someone with real hands on experience, a governor like Scott Walker, not those do-nothing senators.
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 20, 2017, 07:26:23 pm
Gohmert is the best.  Great guy.

I think the 2018 elections will tell us something as will the Alabama election.

Most people want Obamacare gone.  The Republicans claim to, but refuse to act.  Maybe they're waiting for someone else to blame it on.

If we can elect 5 or 6 more real conservatives to the Senate who will follow Ted Cruz and Mike Lee, we could reclaim the party and the country.

I was very impressed with him this morning @Emjay   I'd like to hear more from him; he needs to be more visible.  I wonder if he has the support to replace Ryan as Speaker.
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: Cyber Liberty on August 20, 2017, 07:26:33 pm
I exercise my Constitutionally guaranteed right to vote based on the choices I have.  I am not one to take my marbles and stay home because a fantasy candidate is not on the ballot.

I'm not going to change @INVAR.. so your time would be better spent opining about this to someone else.

Let him.  You may have noticed there are other people than the two of you on this forum who are interested in the discussion.... :tongue2:
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: Emjay on August 20, 2017, 07:27:33 pm
I exercise my Constitutionally guaranteed right to vote based on the choices I have.  I am not one to take my marbles and stay home because a fantasy candidate is not on the ballot.

I'm not going to change @INVAR.. so your time would be better spent opining about this to someone else.

I am sad and embarrassed that so many so-called conservatives have thrown in the towel and seem to be sitting in wait for the executioner.

The country may not have elected the most elegant and eloquent candidate but they elected a Republican who has espoused and continues to support conservative causes.

I am sad and embarrassed that this group so readily embraces the stances of the media and the leftists and cannot seem to think for themselves.

We are so close to conservatism.  We have elections coming up that will decide our course.

But, no.  All is lost.  Surrender is our only option.  Hope is just pie in the sky.

Well, not for me, baby.
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: AllThatJazzZ on August 20, 2017, 07:31:34 pm
I disagree with you on a lot of things...

Is this because you are getting me confused with Jazzhead? Just asking since it's happened to me a few times.

@Oceander
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: INVAR on August 20, 2017, 07:36:52 pm
I exercise my Constitutionally guaranteed right to vote based on the choices I have. 

Of which you people assert there is ONLY two, and my right to vote for whom I believe best serves my principles is something your fellows decided was treason.

Do keep voting for the lesser of evils.  One day soon, you will choose between a Lenin and a Stalin.

The end result is the same, but I am sure you will be as vociferous a defender of Lenin's Conservatism as you are Trump's.

I am not one to take my marbles and stay home because a fantasy candidate is not on the ballot.

By all means, keep practicing insanity and think that voting for corrupt and wicked men (because that is your only choice) is your salvation.

I'm not going to change @INVAR.. so your time would be better spent opining about this to someone else.

It's not for your benefit that I reply and opine.  I have no allusions of waking up a party slave to what they refuse to see.
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: AllThatJazzZ on August 20, 2017, 07:44:47 pm
I exercise my Constitutionally guaranteed right to vote based on the choices I have.  I am not one to take my marbles and stay home because a fantasy candidate is not on the ballot.

I'm not going to change @INVAR.. so your time would be better spent opining about this to someone else.

@INVAR, keep opining. Many others are reading.
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 20, 2017, 07:47:11 pm
@INVAR, keep opining. Many others are reading.

You do realize I didn't suggest @INVAR stop opining @AllThatJazzZ  .... just that he not waste time opining to me. Yes??
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: Cyber Liberty on August 20, 2017, 07:50:28 pm
You do realize I didn't suggest @INVAR stop opining @AllThatJazzZ  .... just that he not waste time opining to me. Yes??

To which I would reply, "You aren't the only person here, so it's silly to tell somebody not to post to you, they post to everybody.  Except in PMs."
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 20, 2017, 07:51:44 pm

It's not for your benefit that I reply and opine.  I have no allusions of waking up a party slave to what they refuse to see.

Look how you speak to and demean those who challenge or disagree with you.  Can you possibly still wonder why the voters have sent your ilk to the back bench?   

Your insults overwhelm your political point @INVAR .  Keep insulting those you need and even the mirror will turn its back on you. 



Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: AllThatJazzZ on August 20, 2017, 07:54:45 pm
You do realize I didn't suggest @INVAR stop opining @AllThatJazzZ  .... just that he not waste time opining to me. Yes??

@Right_in_Virginia, the best way for you to enjoy silence from @INVAR or anyone else you find annoying is to employ the ignore feature. I have been able to use it to my advantage in a couple of cases, and it's helped me not to get bogged down with folks whose POVs are almost never clearly or civilly presented. It saves me time. Just a thought...
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: Emjay on August 20, 2017, 07:55:31 pm
Look how you speak to and demean those who challenge or disagree with you.  Can you possibly still wonder why the voters have sent your ilk to the back bench?   

Your insults overwhelm your political point @INVAR .  Keep insulting those you need and even the mirror will turn its back on you.

I had to block Invar because he make me want to have a drink and it's not even 10 AM here.
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: Cyber Liberty on August 20, 2017, 07:58:43 pm
I had to block Invar because he make me want to have a drink and it's not even 10 AM here.

Fat lotta good that does when everybody keeps quoting him!   :laugh: :beer:
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 20, 2017, 08:01:25 pm
@Right_in_Virginia, the best way for you to enjoy silence from @INVAR or anyone else you find annoying is to employ the ignore feature. I have been able to use it to my advantage in a couple of cases, and it's helped me not to get bogged down with folks whose POVs are almost never clearly or civilly presented. It saves me time. Just a thought...

Thanks for the advice @AllThatJazzZ   I'm happy it works for you.

Me?  Except for one, I don't use the ignore feature.  I like to know what's going on.   ^-^

I think it's good form to let someone know further debate with me on any one subject is moot.  This allows the other poster to move on to greener pastures.   

Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: AllThatJazzZ on August 20, 2017, 08:01:26 pm
..."You aren't the only person here..."

Wait, what?! She's not?!?!! You could have fooled me!  :whistle:







------------------------------------------------------>I'm going to stand in the corner for a bit and await my handslap from a mod.  :nono:
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: Cyber Liberty on August 20, 2017, 08:12:35 pm
Thanks for the advice @AllThatJazzZ   I'm happy it works for you.

Me?  Except for one, I don't use the ignore feature.  I like to know what's going on.   ^-^

I think it's good form to let someone know further debate with me on any one subject is moot.  This allows the other poster to move on to greener pastures.   

I see your point, RiV....Sometimes people just enjoy having a decent sparring partner?
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: Oceander on August 20, 2017, 08:51:04 pm
Is this because you are getting me confused with Jazzhead? Just asking since it's happened to me a few times.

@Oceander

@AllThatJazzZ

Oops!!!

My bad.  You're right, I'm getting you confused.  Sorry about that. 
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: Bigun on August 20, 2017, 08:54:36 pm
However one feels about the Trump Wars, there's no denying Ryan did his level best to sabotage the Nominee of his own party.

What makes you think he's stopped?
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: Cyber Liberty on August 20, 2017, 08:59:56 pm
What makes you think he's stopped?

Never said he did. I hated him since they announced he was Bonehead's replacement.
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: INVAR on August 20, 2017, 09:02:56 pm
Look how you speak to and demean those who challenge or disagree with you.  Can you possibly still wonder why the voters have sent your ilk to the back bench?   

Your insults overwhelm your political point @INVAR .  Keep insulting those you need and even the mirror will turn its back on you.

You have truly elevated projection to an art form.

BTW my "ilk" are not on your bench at all anymore and frankly - I do not care who is insulted when the truth is stated.  This people want to hear lies and smooth and easy things.  They are not interested in the truth - and anyone dare speak it - why then, backbench and out the door they go... to thunderous applause from folks like yourself.

If you haven't figured it out yet, we're not interested in building coalitions with the wicked and then calling ourselves good.  That is something you do with great aplomb.
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: Sanguine on August 20, 2017, 09:04:16 pm
You can keep lying to yourself with that delusion, and refuse to acknowledge the fact that the rules were rewritten at the last two conventions to PROHIBIT any kind of grassroots Conservative from getting elected, not to mention the the oligarchy only rewards it's own Statists and punishes and ostracizes anyone who actually governs according to their oath.

There is no saving the Republican party.  There is no place for Conservatives within the Republican party.

Only moderate Democrats, liberals and thanks to Trump, nationalist populists.

Conservatives were told to get out and hit the road.  There will be no more Lees or Cruz or Pauls' to the GOP.  The party only endorses and backs liberals.

Invar, love ya, man, but I just can't figure out why you posted this.  We know Trump is not a conservative, we know the RINOs in charge don't like conservatives, we know Trump and friends played dirty to win, and we know that Trump won and Clinton lost.  Ok, got it.

What is it you are suggesting doing?  Just slinging mud, however well deserved, doesn't get us anywhere except caught in this endless loop of internecine nagging and argument.  I'm thinking the bad guys love seeing us do it, too.
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: Bigun on August 20, 2017, 09:24:50 pm
Never said he did. I hated him since they announced he was Bonehead's replacement.

Ok.  Just thought I'd ask.
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: INVAR on August 20, 2017, 09:27:34 pm
Invar, love ya, man, but I just can't figure out why you posted this.  We know Trump is not a conservative, we know the RINOs in charge don't like conservatives, we know Trump and friends played dirty to win, and we know that Trump won and Clinton lost.  Ok, got it.

What is it you are suggesting doing?  Just slinging mud, however well deserved, doesn't get us anywhere except caught in this endless loop of internecine nagging and argument.  I'm thinking the bad guys love seeing us do it, too.

I posted the truth.  The rules have been set to prohibit Conservatives from gaining any kind of leadership positions from within the Republican party, unless groomed and approved by the existing liberal Oligarchy that works in concert with Democrats.

As a principle, putting your faith in a wholly corrupted party in the hopes for a return to foundational principles is as stupid as prostrating before the Crown and parliament begging for relief from tyranny.

It's not gonna happen from within their party.  It's not gonna happen using corrupted institutions.

It's going to have to occur from outside the diseased cesspool in D.C.  It is going to have to occur in the character of this people first. 

Putting all faith and hope in voting for someone into high office as some kind of relief and salvation from tyranny is idolatry, and all it does is signal the fact the people want a monarchy- not a Republic.
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: Bigun on August 20, 2017, 09:29:41 pm
Invar, love ya, man, but I just can't figure out why you posted this.  We know Trump is not a conservative, we know the RINOs in charge don't like conservatives, we know Trump and friends played dirty to win, and we know that Trump won and Clinton lost.  Ok, got it.

What is it you are suggesting doing?  Just slinging mud, however well deserved, doesn't get us anywhere except caught in this endless loop of internecine nagging and argument.  I'm thinking the bad guys love seeing us do it, too.

@Sanguine

I agree with every word @INVAR said in the post you responded to.  It all happened as he said.  I also agree with you that further discussion of it serves no real purpose  going forward.
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: Sanguine on August 20, 2017, 09:35:28 pm
I posted the truth.  The rules have been set to prohibit Conservatives from gaining any kind of leadership positions from within the Republican party, unless groomed and approved by the existing liberal Oligarchy that works in concert with Democrats.

As a principle, putting your faith in a wholly corrupted party in the hopes for a return to foundational principles is as stupid as prostrating before the Crown and parliament begging for relief from tyranny.

It's not gonna happen from within their party.  It's not gonna happen using corrupted institutions.

It's going to have to occur from outside the diseased cesspool in D.C.  It is going to have to occur in the character of this people first. 

Putting all faith and hope in voting for someone into high office as some kind of relief and salvation from tyranny is idolatry, and all it does is signal the fact the people want a monarchy- not a Republic.

Yeah, well, your mother is fat and you brother is creepy!  Some truth doesn't need to be said.  (And, that's obviously just making the point since I don't know your mother or brother and wouldn't say that even if I did)

Sometimes I feel like you just keep saying Trump is fat and Ivanka is creepy.  We know all the stuff you said, and many of us agree.  So, who are you saying it to and why?
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: INVAR on August 21, 2017, 12:31:25 am
Yeah, well, your mother is fat and you brother is creepy! 

My mother and brother are both dead.


Some truth doesn't need to be said. 

That is entirely how our entire society now operates.  No truth is said.

And when it is.... well..... no one wants to hear it.

Sometimes I feel like you just keep saying Trump is fat and Ivanka is creepy.

I've never commented on Trump's girth, nor have I ever commented on Ivanka outside of perhaps agreeing with someone who noted she is a raving liberal.

We know all the stuff you said, and many of us agree.  So, who are you saying it to and why?

Anyone who wants to listen.  Anyone who wants iron sharpened.
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: Oceander on August 21, 2017, 12:40:35 am
My mother and brother are both dead.


That is entirely how our entire society now operates.  No truth is said.

And when it is.... well..... no one wants to hear it.

I've never commented on Trump's girth, nor have I ever commented on Ivanka outside of perhaps agreeing with someone who noted she is a raving liberal.

Anyone who wants to listen.  Anyone who wants iron sharpened.

I'll say Trump is fat:

(http://ei.marketwatch.com//Multimedia/2017/03/29/Photos/ZH/MW-FJ260_TrumpG_20170329140855_ZH.jpg?uuid=c61c3c5c-14aa-11e7-a6c9-001cc448aede)
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: corbe on August 21, 2017, 01:14:58 am
   Most everyone looks fat dressed for Golf, It takes a real genius to look fat on the Tennis Court in Granny Panties @Oceander

(http://img.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Trump-in-tighty-whities-on-the-tennis-court-720x625.jpg)
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: Sanguine on August 21, 2017, 01:20:33 am
My mother and brother are both dead.


That is entirely how our entire society now operates.  No truth is said.

And when it is.... well..... no one wants to hear it.

I've never commented on Trump's girth, nor have I ever commented on Ivanka outside of perhaps agreeing with someone who noted she is a raving liberal.

Anyone who wants to listen.  Anyone who wants iron sharpened.

Invar, you're playing games with what I said.  That's beneath you.
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: endicom on August 21, 2017, 01:28:38 am
Yeah, well, your mother is fat and you brother is creepy!


"Jesus don't love you and your feet stink." is what I recall from my early years.
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: Fishrrman on August 21, 2017, 02:15:28 am
AllThat wrote:
"No one will care what any Republican has to say about anything after this administration because they'll lump us all in with Trumpism."

Considering what Mr. Ryan said to Mr. Gohmert, I'm much happier to be "lumped into" the side of the Trumpists, than into that of the "mainstream" Republicans right now.

If the Republican party collapses, it won't be because they supported Trump.
It will because they undermined him.
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: corbe on August 21, 2017, 02:19:32 am
 :nometalk:
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: libertybele on August 21, 2017, 02:29:01 am
More like,  they wanted Trump to win,  then remove him for Pence.

Except, Trump is the one who selected Pence did he not?  I still question why he chose Pence. 
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: libertybele on August 21, 2017, 02:50:18 am
Oh, do give it a rest.  You hate Trump. You're pissed as hell that he won the primary and the general election.  I get it.  We ALL get it @Oceander

But your need to cling to this hate and anger is not enough of a justification to point a "guilty" finger at the citizens who elected Donald Trump instead of the Republicans fighting to keep Obamacare and against tax reform.

Just how badly do you want to punish this generation of Americans and the ones to follow because your candidate lost?



RIV, I too think it was a mistake to nominate Trump during the primaries, however, I have accepted him as our President and have praised him when I felt praise is due.  How anyone cannot see the blatant attempt to derail his presidency by the MSM, the DEMS and the RINO's (including Ryan) is beyond me.  I have voted in quite a few elections and have never witnessed what seems like such an organized attempt against a sitting president; this started even before he was sworn in.  With that being said, I thought for a very long time (and still consider it a possibility) that Trump was nothing more than a siphon for the DEMS to stop a true conservative from being seated.  Now it seems that the majority of the DEMS and RINO's are out to stop the person who seemed to derail the conservative movement. Trump certainly isn't a conservative and has always leaned more liberal, but the liberals are out to derail him.  Was/is the Clinton/Soros/Obama machine that powerful that they still are in control?  Time will tell exactly who Trump really is. It's too early in the game and too many unanswered questions for me to give Trump a pass, but so far, I stand with him as he seems to be attempting to move this country forward. 
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: Emjay on August 21, 2017, 02:55:36 am
I know that pisses you off, but it has me scratching my head too....

Yep.  Well, anything that ticks some people off is worth something.
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: Emjay on August 21, 2017, 03:01:22 am
RIV, I too think it was a mistake to nominate Trump during the primaries, however, I have accepted him as our President and have praised him when I felt praise is due.  How anyone cannot see the blatant attempt to derail his presidency by the MSM, the DEMS and the RINO's (including Ryan) is beyond me.  I have voted in quite a few elections and have never witnessed what seems like such an organized attempt against a sitting president; this started even before he was sworn in.  With that being said, I thought for a very long time (and still consider it a possibility) that Trump was nothing more than a siphon for the DEMS to stop a true conservative from being seated.  Now it seems that the majority of the DEMS and RINO's are out to stop the person who seemed to derail the conservative movement. Trump certainly isn't a conservative and has always leaned more liberal, but the liberals are out to derail him.  Was/is the Clinton/Soros/Obama machine that powerful that they still are in control?  Time will tell exactly who Trump really is. It's too early in the game and too many unanswered questions for me to give Trump a pass, but so far, I stand with him as he seems to be attempting to move this country forward.

Well, I have never seen anything like it and I've been around a while. 

After the dems and the press were able to get up from the floor after Hillary lost, they quickly went to work to discredit Trump.

It's a sick thing that a wealthy old evil man can control the country and that wouldn't be possible without the complicity of the press.

So many people here are inclined to eat all the negativity up.  They can't think beyond their Trump hate to what is really going on.

Yes, evil forces are at work.  We need to choose sides.

I'm gonna support Trump as long as I can.  So far, he's done nothing to make me want him out.

All those personal qualities that 'embarrass' some people don't mean a rat's ass if he stays on track.

Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: Cyber Liberty on August 21, 2017, 03:03:07 am
Yep.  Well, anything that ticks some people off is worth something.

Was that in How to Win Friends and Influence People?
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: Oceander on August 21, 2017, 12:59:53 pm
Funny how certain people continually derided Obama for blaming everything on GWB even after several years and are now demanding unbending fealty to Trump and excusing every mistake he makes with the specter of Clinton. 

A word to the wise:  if Trump keeps on present course, he will not have the better end of that comparison by 2020. 
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: INVAR on August 21, 2017, 01:48:54 pm
Yes, evil forces are at work.  We need to choose sides.

Choose Trump or else?

I choose 'else'.
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: Cyber Liberty on August 21, 2017, 03:11:49 pm
Choose Trump or else?

I choose 'else'.

In general, people don't take too kindly to ultimatums.  That lesson could go all around the place to everybody's benefit.
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: AllThatJazzZ on August 23, 2017, 01:41:13 am
Well, I have never seen anything like it and I've been around a while. 

After the dems and the press were able to get up from the floor after Hillary lost, they quickly went to work to discredit Trump.

It's a sick thing that a wealthy old evil man can control the country and that wouldn't be possible without the complicity of the press.

So many people here are inclined to eat all the negativity up.  They can't think beyond their Trump hate to what is really going on.

Yes, evil forces are at work.  We need to choose sides.

I'm gonna support Trump as long as I can.  So far, he's done nothing to make me want him out.

All those personal qualities that 'embarrass' some people don't mean a rat's ass if he stays on track.

As one of those who are embarrassed by him, I'm also supportive of him when he's acting in the best interest of our country and not himself. When he promotes policies that make America strong, free and/or conservative, I'm behind him. And when he acts up like an adolescent, toddler or bully, I'm going to speak out.

As I stated in another post, I don't think the Republican party survives Trump. It's not a perfect party -- something I'm sure we can all agree on -- but it is (was?) an established vehicle that could be used to promote Constitutional conservatism. I wish we hadn't taken the route to blow up the party rather than rework it. If there's a way we get back to true conservatism after electing the most liberal Republican president in modern times, I can't see it from here. I hope I'm wrong. 
Title: Re: Paul Ryan Advised Republicans To Run From Trump Prior To Election Day, Says Gohmert
Post by: AllThatJazzZ on August 23, 2017, 01:43:52 am
Funny how certain people continually derided Obama for blaming everything on GWB even after several years and are now demanding unbending fealty to Trump and excusing every mistake he makes with the specter of Clinton. 

You noticed that too? Thank God. It's so good to find that you're not alone when you observe these things.