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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: corbe on August 10, 2017, 09:11:58 pm
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Poll: Majority of Republicans Would Favor Postponing 2020 Elections if Trump Proposed It
By J. Cal Davenport | August 10, 2017, 03:30pm | @J_Cal_Davenport.
On Sunday, Venezuela held what can only be described as a mock election to choose constituents for an assembly to revise the country’s constitution, though no one other than the president, Nicholas Maduro, wants said constitution revised. Predictably, the regime has touted massive turnout, despite a widespread boycott from both the right and left, while the opposition claims that turnout was only 12 percent.
The free world regularly derides the faux-democracies of socialist regimes like Maduro, in which votes are manipulated and elections are canceled due to “emergencies.” Who knew that the party of constitutionally-limited government contained so many people who would willingly give up the constitutionally-mandated check of regular elections?
The Washington Post just released the results of a poll conducted in mid-June of over 1,300 Americans balanced to match the population. The shocking result is that 52 percent of Republicans would support postponing the 2020 election if Trump proposed it in order to be sure that only eligible citizens could vote, and 56 percent said they would do so if both Trump and Republicans in Congress did.
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http://theresurgent.com/poll-majority-of-republicans-would-favor-postponing-2020-elections-if-trump-proposed-it/ (http://theresurgent.com/poll-majority-of-republicans-would-favor-postponing-2020-elections-if-trump-proposed-it/)
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It wasn't that terribly long ago when they were outraged when people like Tom Friedman and Bev Perdue suggested postponing or cancelling elections when BHO was president
Edit: Assuming this poll is accurate
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A huge majority of Republicans who are rabid Trump supporters are absolutely no different than the Communist/Leftist tyrants they were busy scaring everyone would take over and do tyranny if Trump weren't elected.
They are exactly that whom they said they oppose if this poll is correct.
They just follow a different political messiah with an 'R' after his name.
But they are no different than those who treated Obama and Hillary with the same zeal and utter disregard for the rule of law.
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Reality TV...banana republic...doesn't matter to them, as long as it's not traditional America.
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Poll: Majority of Republicans Would Favor Postponing 2020 Elections if Trump Proposed It
By J. Cal Davenport | August 10, 2017, 03:30pm | @J_Cal_Davenport.
On Sunday, Venezuela held what can only be described as a mock election to choose constituents for an assembly to revise the country’s constitution, though no one other than the president, Nicholas Maduro, wants said constitution revised. Predictably, the regime has touted massive turnout, despite a widespread boycott from both the right and left, while the opposition claims that turnout was only 12 percent.
The free world regularly derides the faux-democracies of socialist regimes like Maduro, in which votes are manipulated and elections are canceled due to “emergencies.” Who knew that the party of constitutionally-limited government contained so many people who would willingly give up the constitutionally-mandated check of regular elections?
The Washington Post just released the results of a poll conducted in mid-June of over 1,300 Americans balanced to match the population. The shocking result is that 52 percent of Republicans would support postponing the 2020 election if Trump proposed it in order to be sure that only eligible citizens could vote, and 56 percent said they would do so if both Trump and Republicans in Congress did.
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http://theresurgent.com/poll-majority-of-republicans-would-favor-postponing-2020-elections-if-trump-proposed-it/ (http://theresurgent.com/poll-majority-of-republicans-would-favor-postponing-2020-elections-if-trump-proposed-it/)
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I have zero faith in ANY polls anymore and that would never happen. And there is no evidence whatever that Trump would propose such a thing.
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I have zero faith in ANY polls anymore and that would never happen. And there is no evidence whatever that Trump would propose such a thing.
Spot on. This is just raw meat for the HTB's (Hate Trump Briefers).
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Spot on. This is just raw meat for the HTB's (Hate Trump Briefers).
Yep, Invar chomped on it immediately. Which was ridiculous in view of the fact that it is all wild speculation.
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Not all of us NT'ers are vegetarians @Wingnut
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And there is no evidence whatever that Trump would propose such a thing.
No one said he did propose such a thing.
Then again Trump himself never asserted he should act as a dictator, it was his supporters on various fora and social groups that were publicly exclaiming that Trump should simply make decrees.
We're discussing the zeitgeist that infects mob movements from both the rabid Left AND the Populist side of the aisle.
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No one said he did propose such a thing.
Then again Trump himself never asserted he should act as a dictator, it was his supporters on various fora and social groups that were publicly exclaiming that Trump should simply make decrees.
We're discussing the zeitgeist that infects mob movements from both the rabid Left AND the Populist side of the aisle.
I knew I shouldn't have taken you off of ignore. You cannot wait for Trump to actually do something to criticize him for what you think he will do.
Your attitude is no credit to any solution whatever because you've entered a realm that doesn't exist ... maybe in a widening gyre. And, yeah, Yeats died.
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I knew I shouldn't have taken you off of ignore. You cannot wait for Trump to actually do something to criticize him for what you think he will do.
I got flack for giving Trump a thumbs up when he announced he was pulling us out of the Paris Accords and when he Tweeted that the GOP should just pass a simple repeal ObamaCare bill - because you see, I was not on the Trump train from the beginning and they opined they do not need my affirmations or thumbs up of their dear leader.
And if my opinions bother you so much - put me back on ignore. Ask me if I care.
Your attitude is no credit to any solution whatever ...
Look lady, YOUR attitude or MY attitude or anyone's else's attitude for that matter towards Trump MEANS JACK SHIT towards crediting any "solution" to the myriad and infinitesimal problems we are plagued with that you assume Trump is going to fix if only we channeled enough positive energy his way.
If you want to go light candles and hum happy thoughts while singing Kumbayah with fellow Republicans in hopes the good vibes miraculously fix our decline into oblivion, be my guest and knock yourself out. Has about the same impact venting happy thoughts towards Trump from a keyboard has.
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I got flack for giving Trump a thumbs up when he announced he was pulling us out of the Paris Accords and when he Tweeted that the GOP should just pass a simple repeal ObamaCare bill - because you see, I was not on the Trump train from the beginning and they opined they do not need my affirmations or thumbs up of their dear leader.
And if my opinions bother you so much - put me back on ignore. Ask me if I care.
Look lady, YOUR attitude or MY attitude or anyone's else's attitude for that matter towards Trump MEANS JACK SHIT towards crediting any "solution" to the myriad and infinitesimal problems we are plagued with that you assume Trump is going to fix if only we channeled enough positive energy his way.
If you want to go light candles and hum happy thoughts while singing Kumbayah with fellow Republicans in hopes the good vibes miraculously fix our decline into oblivion, be my guest and knock yourself out. Has about the same impact venting happy thoughts towards Trump from a keyboard has.
My problem is that you never say anything positive or advance any positive solutions. If not Republicans, who?
A third party is just a dream right now and your negative thoughts have no more positive effect on what you call our decline into oblivion than those strange people you are imagining who are singing Kumbayah. I have not seen any trace of those people. I see people who view everything that happens through a prism of hate for Trump and find them more prevalent here than those who think Trump is the second coming.
I certainly don't think that Trump is the second coming but I think we need to concentrate on electing more conservatives to the House and Senate.
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My problem is that you never say anything positive or advance any positive solutions.
You and a few others here only want to hear political solutions to moral and foundational problems. You are not interested in the root cause of where we find ourselves, only in the temporary relief of the symptoms.
You put your faith and trust in men and their institutions - and it is from there you are wanting to hear positive "solutions".
Sorry, but that is not where any solutions are going to be found. Just the opposite.
If not Republicans, who?
Conservatives.
A third party is just a dream right now
So was the idea of Independence in the 1750's and 60's.
and your negative thoughts have no more positive effect on what you call our decline into oblivion than those strange people you are imagining who are singing Kumbayah.
Just keep screaming for me to stop with the negative waves Moriarty. Maybe do a hookah to make up for my negative waves intruding on your happy thoughts.
I see people who view everything that happens through a prism of hate for Trump and find them more prevalent here than those who think Trump is the second coming.
Go to TOS then, and have a nice happy, healthy dose of Trump Groupthink without any shred of doubt or risk any exposure to Trump hate or criticism.
I certainly don't think that Trump is the second coming but I think we need to concentrate on electing more conservatives to the House and Senate.
Knock yourself out trying to do that from within the Plantation.
I'm done practicing insanity.
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I have zero faith in ANY polls anymore and that would never happen. And there is no evidence whatever that Trump would propose such a thing.
@Emjay
I also see no evidence that Trump would propose anything. Nor is it going to happen
As to the statement of "I have zero faith in any polls anymore." Yes, polls are faulty, and we know all about how accurate the polls were last year in predicting the winner of the election. But we didn't know those polls were wrong until election night. I will operate under the assumption this poll is accurate.
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If true, I find this troubling.
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If true, I find this troubling.
This is actually worse than the Democrats during Clinton and Obama. They just wanted the two to run for a third term (despite it being against the 22nd Amendment).
This... this is actually suspending elections in total. Outright dictatorship a la the Palestinian Authority.
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This is actually worse than the Democrats during Clinton and Obama. They just wanted the two to run for a third term (despite it being against the 22nd Amendment).
This... this is actually suspending elections in total. Outright dictatorship a la the Palestinian Authority.
or any other dictatorship that started as a free society.
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or any other dictatorship that started as a free society.
Yes, but the Palestinian Authority is live, not history.
Their last election was in 2005.
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If true, I find this troubling.
Too many times I've seen Trumpers laughing off totalitarian "suggestions" from Trump as jokes only to end up seeking to justify them later on.
During the campaign Trump said something about wanting to open up the libel laws to prosecute media and they all laughed at his great joke. Now they talk about prosecuting reporters for leaking national secrets that are really just embarrassing leaks from a chaotic white house.
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Yes, but the Palestinian Authority is live, not history.
Their last election was in 2005.
That is true..
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Too many times I've seen Trumpers laughing off totalitarian "suggestions" from Trump as jokes only to end up seeking to justify them later on.
Sad but true...
During the campaign Trump said something about wanting to open up the libel laws to prosecute media and they all laughed at his great joke. Now they talk about prosecuting reporters for leaking national secrets that are really just embarrassing leaks from a chaotic white house.
To me the whole going after leakers is nothing more than show. I remember in how we all freaked out when Obama after Fox News (rightly so), now that Trump is after all of Media outlets not a peep from the Trump die-hards but praise. I'm sorry it is wrong, I don't care who does it.
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The Hate-Trump-Brigade bought it hook, line, and sinker.
Even the TOSsers said it was horsemanure.
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The Hate-Trump-Brigade bought it hook, line, and sinker.
Even the TOSsers said it was horsemanure.
Like a bunch of scared little boys, afraid they might be sent for military training, or something manly.
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Sad but true...
To me the whole going after leakers is nothing more than show. I remember in how we all freaked out when Obama after Fox News (rightly so), now that Trump is after all of Media outlets not a peep from the Trump die-hards but praise. I'm sorry it is wrong, I don't care who does it.
Its a sign of a white house in chaos. And let's not forget that Trump himself has exposed info we got from the Israelis.
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The Hate-Trump-Brigade bought it hook, line, and sinker.
Even the TOSsers said it was horsemanure.
No surprise to me @Crazieman that the Freepers are against this wacky poll, it 'validates them in a negative way'
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Too many times I've seen Trumpers laughing off totalitarian "suggestions" from Trump as jokes only to end up seeking to justify them later on.
During the campaign Trump said something about wanting to open up the libel laws to prosecute media and they all laughed at his great joke. Now they talk about prosecuting reporters for leaking national secrets that are really just embarrassing leaks from a chaotic white house.
Yeah, but ... there's always a butt, isn't there?
I think Freedom of the Press should be absolute, but is it sacred? I don't think being a media outlet is a license to outright lie. And I think the media is guilty of that and then ... MAYBE ... an apology back with the want ads.
People should be able to sue for libel. It should be hard, but not impossible. Right now, it's kind of impossible because you have to prove malice.
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The Hate-Trump-Brigade bought it hook, line, and sinker.
It is the Trump militants at TOS and Facebook groups who openly called for Trump to act as a dictator and punish his political enemies. Hell, I had an acquaintance tell me the same thing to my face. It is completely plausible that the same mob would thumbs-up a call to postpone an election if it served their leader.
I certainly don't doubt the stated results from the Post.
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You and a few others here only want to hear political solutions to moral and foundational problems. You are not interested in the root cause of where we find ourselves, only in the temporary relief of the symptoms.
You put your faith and trust in men and their institutions - and it is from there you are wanting to hear positive "solutions".
Sorry, but that is not where any solutions are going to be found. Just the opposite.
Conservatives.
So was the idea of Independence in the 1750's and 60's.
Just keep screaming for me to stop with the negative waves Moriarty. Maybe do a hookah to make up for my negative waves intruding on your happy thoughts.
Go to TOS then, and have a nice happy, healthy dose of Trump Groupthink without any shred of doubt or risk any exposure to Trump hate or criticism.
Knock yourself out trying to do that from within the Plantation.
I'm done practicing insanity.
"I'm done practicing insanity."
Somehow, I don't think you are. You say weird stuff like we shouldn't place faith in men or institutions but then cite the founders and the declaration of independence. Those things involved men and institutions.
Unless you want to live in some combine and spend your time chanting, you have to deal with reality.
I am not screaming at you. I'm really wasting my time but, then again, it is my time.
You keep assuming I'm a Trump worshipper and I cannot seem to disabuse you of that notion. I was for Ted Cruz and I still am.
The only reason I defend Trump at all here is that his enemies are worse and I want to give him a fair shake. I was banned from Free Republic for making negative comments about Trump. Not only was I banned but I was verbally abused in horrible and vulgar ways and JRob never did a dam thing about it.
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"I'm done practicing insanity."
Somehow, I don't think you are. You say weird stuff like we shouldn't place faith in men or institutions but then cite the founders and the declaration of independence. Those things involved men and institutions.
Is that where the Founders placed their faith? In the institutions of men?
If you think so, you are just demonstrating your historical ignorance. Perhaps Google what Ben Franklin told Mrs. Powell in 1789.
Unless you want to live in some combine and spend your time chanting, you have to deal with reality.
Well vote for the lesser evil and knock your socks off there toots. Put your faith in men and the institutions they have corrupted and perverted.
Enjoy all the fruits thereof.
You keep assuming I'm a Trump worshipper and I cannot seem to disabuse you of that notion. I was for Ted Cruz and I still am.
I don't care. I'm discussing the zeitgeist of major mass movements, human nature and man's innate ability to corrupt everything he touches to serve that human nature by redefining morality to fit his desires.
The only reason I defend Trump at all here is that his enemies are worse and I want to give him a fair shake.
I don't care.
I am not allowed to give Trump thumbs up according to his followers, because I was not a supporter from the beginning, and therefore only a 'fair weather friend' that is no different than a 'traitor'.
I was banned from Free Republic for making negative comments about Trump. Not only was I banned but I was verbally abused in horrible and vulgar ways and JRob never did a dam thing about it.
I left there of my own accord when I saw what it was turning into. I'm not interested in groupthink or saluting politicians as saviors of the country.
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I think it is optimistic to think we will see 2020.
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Is that where the Founders placed their faith? In the institutions of men?
If you think so, you are just demonstrating your historical ignorance. Perhaps Google what Ben Franklin told Mrs. Powell in 1789.
Well vote for the lesser evil and knock your socks off there toots. Put your faith in men and the institutions they have corrupted and perverted.
Enjoy all the fruits thereof.
I don't care. I'm discussing the zeitgeist of major mass movements, human nature and man's innate ability to corrupt everything he touches to serve that human nature by redefining morality to fit his desires.
I don't care.
I am not allowed to give Trump thumbs up according to his followers, because I was not a supporter from the beginning, and therefore only a 'fair weather friend' that is no different than a 'traitor'.
I left there of my own accord when I saw what it was turning into. I'm not interested in groupthink or saluting politicians as saviors of the country.
You're not a traitor and you may well be a good man, but you are defeatist and bordering on insane. So good luck with that.
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People should be able to sue for libel. It should be hard, but not impossible. Right now, it's kind of impossible because you have to prove malice.
Or bring back duelling.
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You're not a traitor and you may well be a good man, but you are defeatist and bordering on insane. So good luck with that.
Again MJ, you are a living epitome of Isaiah 30:10.
Those people didn't want to hear 'defeatism' either. They sought the feel-good temporal and political solutions rooted in disobedience and self rather than harken to warnings of the root cause of their problems.
Nothing new under the sun.
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Again MJ, you are a living epitome of Isaiah 30:10.
That or Isanahole 30:10.
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Isn't this about the time that I come in and reassure the doubters that @Emjay has a very important role here, in the woman's dept., doing something or the other and we need all the women we can get here, regardless of their political orientation.
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Isn't this about the time that I come in and reassure the doubters that @Emjay has a very important role here, in the woman's dept., doing something or the other and we need all the women we can get here, regardless of their political orientation.
As always, the Knight in Shining Armor coming to my defense ... in that I am a woman, and doing something or the other.
Does anyone want to clue me in on that Bible verse? I literally don't have a Bible. I left all my books and I probably had 5 Bibles. I need to buy one.
But I do remember Ecclesiastics 7:9. "Be not hasty in thy spirit to be angry, for anger resteth in the bosom of fools."
I don't even know what I said to tick those people off.
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I think it is optimistic to think we will see 2020.
I will pay you $10 if we don't, and you pay me $1,000 if we do.
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I think it is optimistic to think we will see 2020.
Who do you think you are @Once-Ler . Zager and Evans?
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I will pay you $10 if we don't, and you pay me $1,000 if we do.
You will pay me 10$ if life is obliterated from the planet? Hmmmm....$10 and selling my children as meat will buy me a future cup of coffee. You're on TS...
The way I see it?...Either way I win. If the human race makes it to 2020 $1,000 will be worth $1.27 in today's dollars, and if we both burn in the nuclear fires of Armageddon I can tease you eternally in the after life.
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As always, the Knight in Shining Armor coming to my defense ... in that I am a woman, and doing something or the other.
Does anyone want to clue me in on that Bible verse? I literally don't have a Bible. I left all my books and I probably had 5 Bibles. I need to buy one.
But I do remember Ecclesiastics 7:9. "Be not hasty in thy spirit to be angry, for anger resteth in the bosom of fools."
I don't even know what I said to tick those people off.
Kind of interesting little story ... at least to me. I was sitting out in the yard while ago ... it was cool and breezy and Smitty and I were observing the bird feeders which were empty but had a few desultory birds still hoping. I see a passel of people coming down the street going to houses.
I knew who they were, but what the heck. So these two lovely ladies come up to me and we chat about various topics and Bible quotes come up. And I remark that I realized yesterday that I don't have a Bible. They insisted on giving me one despite my protests that I would order one on Amazon.
They eventually departed and the younger one said I had 'made her day.' I don't know how.
But I now have a Bible and it seems pretty good. We compared some verses that I know by heart from King James and they were close enough.
I just thought it was kinda weird that one day after I say I have no Bible, God sends me a Bible, even though it was via Jehovah's Witnesses.
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I just thought it was kinda weird that one day after I say I have no Bible, God sends me a Bible, even though it was via Jehovah's Witnesses.
The Lord has a strange and often low sense of humour. ^-^
It was nice of them, though. :laugh:
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For years (before I found this place) I would find myself actually welcoming the Jehovah's as someone that would debate passionately about their beliefs, right or wrong, after I discovered your brilliance, @Emjay I put this back on my door, they don't stop no more.
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In no way did I mean any offence to any of our Jewish Members.
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For years (before I found this place) I would find myself actually welcoming the Jehovah's as someone that would debate passionately about their beliefs, right or wrong, after I discovered your brilliance, @Emjay I put this back on my door, they don't stop no more.
(http://l.rgbimg.com/cache1nGiWK/users/h/hi/hisks/600/mhYlAN8.jpg)
In no way did I mean any offence to any of our Jewish Members.
We talked for maybe 20 minutes, but they never mentioned anything about being Witnesses.
It reminded me of my old Auntie. She loved to talk to people and she had a Boarding House in Oak Cliff way back when.
Some witnesses came and she welcomed them and talked for ages. They were sure they had a convert and kept coming back. Eventually, she got tired of them and when she saw them at the door, she hid. Well, she thought she hid but they saw her hiding. It did the same trick as your symbol; they never returned.
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Kind of interesting little story ... at least to me. I was sitting out in the yard while ago ... it was cool and breezy and Smitty and I were observing the bird feeders which were empty but had a few desultory birds still hoping. I see a passel of people coming down the street going to houses.
I knew who they were, but what the heck. So these two lovely ladies come up to me and we chat about various topics and Bible quotes come up. And I remark that I realized yesterday that I don't have a Bible. They insisted on giving me one despite my protests that I would order one on Amazon.
They eventually departed and the younger one said I had 'made her day.' I don't know how.
But I now have a Bible and it seems pretty good. We compared some verses that I know by heart from King James and they were close enough.
I just thought it was kinda weird that one day after I say I have no Bible, God sends me a Bible, even though it was via Jehovah's Witnesses.
You tell a wonderful story @Emjay Reading it I feel like I'm sitting there next to you.
Have you written professionally?
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Spot on. This is just raw meat for the HTB's (Hate Trump Briefers).
The story is about stupid people. Apparently there's a fair distribution of them on both sides of "the aisle". I rolled my eyes when the stupid democrats started talking about how GWB was going to declare a state of emergency and suspend the elections. I did a facepalm when the stupid republicans started talking about how BHO was going to declare a state of emergency and suspend the elections. I guess it's double facepalm time when 52% of republicans are willing to postpone elections.
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For years (before I found this place) I would find myself actually welcoming the Jehovah's as someone that would debate passionately about their beliefs, right or wrong, after I discovered your brilliance, @Emjay I put this back on my door, they don't stop no more.
@corbe
Jehovah's Witness are welcome here, though their elders are the only ones who come by anymore... done run off their door knockers. It seems I have a reputation there now... They don't know what to do with my theology (Christian Messianic), but reported back and sent out the big guns. So I often entertain them in the afternoon on Shabbat, if I happen to be here, which is likely.
I'll give them credit. They are a well studied people. They mean it.
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But I now have a Bible and it seems pretty good. We compared some verses that I know by heart from King James and they were close enough.
Um... no. It's a fair translation... Better than the liberal versions. But it is not 'close enough'. Jussayin.
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You tell a wonderful story @Emjay Reading it I feel like I'm sitting there next to you.
Have you written professionally?
Thank you, RIV.
I've written all my life but never made much money at it. I used to write a Sunday column for the Dallas Morning News and they paid me $100 per column but they had cutbacks and stopped using outside writers. That was fun.
I've written a lot of plays and two were performed in Dallas and I got paid for that.
I've written 8 or 9 screenplays, some won contests but never seemed to attract Hollywood.
I cannot even tell you how much stuff I've written. Not much money but it kept me out of the pool hall as they say.
Anyway, I don't write anymore but I may have a couple of books up on Amazon.
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Um... no. It's a fair translation... Better than the liberal versions. But it is not 'close enough'. Jussayin.
I had several translations at home... but I don't know which one God wrote.
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@roamer_1
... I'll give them credit. They are a well studied people. They mean it.
That, they are. I have many Bibles here, of various interpretations, and they always seemed impress with my collection.
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I had several translations at home... but I don't know which one God wrote.
@Emjay
That's a bit of a cop out.
'KJV vs. NWT' plugged into a search engine will easily show you the differences, or commentary on the differences if you don't want to wade too deeply into the technical aspects.
Don't get me wrong - Their translation is largely defensible - It's a fair job - But it is undoubtedly bent to fit their theology. If you are trinitarian and believe in the divinity of Yeshua, I would recommend further study into the matter.
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Thank you, RIV.
I've written all my life but never made much money at it. I used to write a Sunday column for the Dallas Morning News and they paid me $100 per column but they had cutbacks and stopped using outside writers. That was fun.
I've written a lot of plays and two were performed in Dallas and I got paid for that.
I've written 8 or 9 screenplays, some won contests but never seemed to attract Hollywood.
I cannot even tell you how much stuff I've written. Not much money but it kept me out of the pool hall as they say.
Anyway, I don't write anymore but I may have a couple of books up on Amazon.
If you do ... can you send the links to Amazon---if so inclined? (I understand the privacy concern ...)
I think you've got a natural gift. And it comes across in everything you post. :beer:
@Emjay
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If you do ... can you send the links to Amazon---if so inclined? (I understand the privacy concern ...)
I think you've got a natural gift. And it comes across in everything you post. :beer:
@Emjay
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Thanks again, RIV. As the JW witness said to me this morning, "you've made my day."