Does this mean no more Sea Island confabs? No more Rove-Romney-Kristol-Bush-Cruz-Beck-Levin moves to prevail over the will of the citizen/voters ??This means that from this point forward #neverTrump activism is a Hillary operation.
TRUMP SEALS THE DEAL
Unbound delegates put campaign over threshold for GOP nomination
http://www.foxnews.com/
http://www.bigstory.ap.org/article/6fb6b090e8734d8593c0dc65658a4afa/trump-reaches-magic-number-delegates-clinch-nomination
We all knew he was going to eventually get enough delegates. He has the majority needed. There should be no doubt, no rumors, no more possibilities, or what ifs...Trumps will be our nominee. He has roughly 5 months in which to either completely obliterate his chances as he is currently doing by alienating voters or get it together and start unifying the party.The chatter is Hillary gets the Nom. but steps down and Biden takes her place. They appear to not want the Old Communist.
At this point I predict Hillary will be forced to step down and we will see a Sanders/Warren ticket. Good luck with that one Donny!
There is a (another) fairly detailed this time article on Yahoo news this morning explaining how Trump could still not get the nomination depending on the rules committee.They are yanking chains. The RNC has already put the stop to all such games. They can and will strip the delegates who try it. The Convention is still under the RNC.
Does this mean no more Sea Island confabs? No more Rove-Romney-Kristol-Bush-Cruz-Beck-Levin moves to prevail over the will of the citizen/voters ??
Will be interesting to see what the rules committee does before convention......ain't over til the fat lady sings!
This means that from this point forward #neverTrump activism is a Hillary operation.
Any unbound delegate with a conservative bone in their body should not vote for Trump. Hope sanity prevails at the convention.
The chatter is Hillary gets the Nom. but steps down and Biden takes her place. They appear to not want the Old Communist.
Will be interesting to see what the rules committee does before convention......ain't over til the fat lady sings!
As far as I'm concerned, #NeverTrump should be declared a 'Forum Terrorist' organization. :smokin:
No it's not.....he still has to be accepted as the RNC/GOP Representative at convention....and the rules committee meets just before that....
they could deny him the election. I hope they do regardless of the public outcry....they're already wetting their pants anyway....
As far as I'm concerned, #NeverTrump should be declared a 'Forum Terrorist' organization. :smokin:
Real world FACT: RNC OWNS the Convention -its under them and that have made it clear no such party destroying games will be allowed. Delegates who try likely will be removed and their vote will be cast for them.
No it's not.....he still has to be accepted as the RNC/GOP Representative at convention....and the rules committee meets just before that....
they could deny him the election. I hope they do regardless of the public outcry....they're already wetting their pants anyway....
Trump seals the deal ???? (http://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=OIP.M36a8abc485bb6b74e36d476710b4c3aco0&w=168&h=170&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0&r=0)
Let's see how that "deal" plays in the general. ...if he gets that far.... Many will sit this election out if something doesn't materialize at
convention. I hope the RNC denies him representing the party...he sure doesn't represent me!
This means that from this point forward #neverTrump activism is a Hillary operation.
Hello. My name is libertybele, and I AM a Forum Terrorist! The only person who is going to change my mind from being #NeverTrump is Donny himself. He just keeps digging his hole ... he dug about another foot with his comments on Martinez. She is an excellent speaker, female and Hispanic. I don't know of anyone else that would have helped his ticket any more.Nobody is saying to not vote your conscious. Its the Activism above that thats a problem now. Its Anti Republican party from this point forward.
As far as I'm concerned, #NeverTrump should be declared a 'Forum Terrorist' organization. :smokin:
Sometimes sealing the deal isn't always a good thing, as Trumpettes will eventually discover.
They are yanking chains. The RNC has already put the stop to all such games. They can and will strip the delegates who try it. The Convention is still under the RNC.Agreed. We all know the leadership of the RNC doesn't have the gumption to follow the historic rules they themseleves (if the article is correct, I haven't read the rules and changes from every convention) put in place.
Nobody is saying to not vote your conscious. Its the Activism above that thats a problem now. Its Anti Republican party from this point forward.I will be anti-Republican party for as long as they continue cowing to liberals and their dangerous policies!
Nobody is saying to not vote your conscious. Its the Activism above that thats a problem now. Its Anti Republican party from this point forward.
He does not represent you, GOOD! Join Whoppie and Rev Al and a few more who said they will move out of the country when TRUMP becomes POTUS or VOTE Hillary or Bernie. Your choice! get out of the way their is a TRAIN coming and taking no prisoners and they will not be allowed to vote either! :silly:
Trump got the required number without the endorsement of Cruz, Ryan, Romney and the Bushes (among others). They've made themselves worse than irrelevant.
There's far more options than supporting Demorat Trump.......I don't vote for Demorats!
BTW in the general we'll watch the Trump Train derail...Trump alone will see to that.....
I will not vote for Hillary nor Trump. Neither is fit to lead this Nation nor does either have interest in abiding by our Constitution.
That is sufficient reason alone not to vote for either.
Secondly, I was under the understanding that they cannot change the rules before the first round of balloting. He has enough delegates to give him the nomination; those delegates are bound.
Trump got the required number without the endorsement of Cruz, Ryan, Romney and the Bushes (among others). They've made themselves worse than irrelevant.
The field was left open for Trump since Indiana.....his endorsements have been weak at best across the board and certainly show the
GOP/RNC continues to "stall" supporting the man for obvious reasons. Convention ahead....I suspect some surprises once the
committee sets the rules prior.
Trump has won the delegate COUNT required........that does not mean he has won the Primary.
What do you want me to do with your proclamation--applaud, argue, ignore you? In all candor, I am weary of reading this from you and so many refugees. So, tell me your point. Please.
TRUMP SEALS THE DEAL
Unbound delegates put campaign over threshold for GOP nomination
http://www.foxnews.com/
http://www.bigstory.ap.org/article/6fb6b090e8734d8593c0dc65658a4afa/trump-reaches-magic-number-delegates-clinch-nomination
I think my point was very clear. What part don't you understand?
Hello. My name is libertybele, and I AM a Forum Terrorist! The only person who is going to change my mind from being #NeverTrump is Donny himself. He just keeps digging his hole ... he dug about another foot with his comments on Martinez. She is an excellent speaker, female and Hispanic. I don't know of anyone else that would have helped his ticket any more.
We all knew he was going to eventually get enough delegates. He has the majority needed. There should be no doubt, no rumors, no more possibilities, or what ifs...Trumps will be our nominee. He has roughly 5 months in which to either completely obliterate his chances as he is currently doing by alienating voters or get it together and start unifying the party.
At this point I predict Hillary will be forced to step down and we will see a Sanders/Warren ticket. Good luck with that one Donny!
Congratulations Mr. Goldwater
Start your own forum and you can keep us out.
I am not going to stop beating on your stubby-fingered baboon until he is completely out of politics.
Ah, yes. It does.
Wait....what? So now Trump's a conservative??
Trump got the required number without the endorsement of Cruz, Ryan, Romney and the Bushes (among others). They've made themselves worse than irrelevant.
— Donald Trump Jr. (@DonaldJTrumpJr) May 26, 2016
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I understand your point. I just want to know why you feel the need to post it over and over and over again.
You must expect something as a reaction. I'd like to know what that expectation is.
Donald Trump has announced plans to hold a victory news conference in just over an hour in Bismarck, North Dakota.
DT Jr celebrates victory:
Lets put it to rest. The Party will not let crazy people destroy the party with what you are dreaming about. And make no mistake, it will destroy the GOP to even try it. Nobody selected from such antics would win and those massive number of Trump people would punish the broken remaining remnants of the GOP.
No it doesn't.......The Republican Party... 'officially'.... nominates its candidate for President at the national convention....we're not
there yet. Nor have the rules been established.
Lets put it to rest. The Party will not let crazy people destroy the party with what you are dreaming about. And make no mistake, it will destroy the GOP to even try it. Nobody selected from such antics would win and those massive number of Trump people would punish the broken remaining remnants of the GOP.
Nobody is saying to not vote your conscious. Its the Activism above that thats a problem now. Its Anti Republican party from this point forward.
Well I guess I should take that as a compliment that you noticed my attempts at finding my way around this new site. I hadn't noticed that my posts were specific to you. So I guess if you're taking them as such it may be best to do as you say and put me on your ignore list. Then you won't have to be concerned about what is or not "expected". I don't post with that in mind....
So best now we cease this discussion further either way you choose.
Gotta hand it to those Clintons. They couldn't have picked a better loser for Hillary to run against.
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So anti-Republican party activism is bad? Here is what you told me in a different thread :Its not rocket Science. As you OMITTED I said I donate directly to the Candidates I support. They are all GOP. The Activism of #neverTrump is now destructive to the entire GOP party - even the good ones. So vote as you wish as is your right. But attacking the party via its designated representative is now stupid and suicidal.
"I do not donate to the RNC. Things such as their vote last night to codify Obama's Pervert EO is why."
Although I'm anti-Trump, I think it's long past the time for anti-Trumpers to get over the fact that he is the nominee; when Cruz accepted that reality, so did I. But so far I've not found any consistency in the pro-Trump position, including your two propositions :
1. anti-Trump activism is now anti-Republican party activism so it should cease
2. the RNC is unworthy of financial support because of Republican votes in Congress
Which is it? If you won't give them money because of their Congressional votes, why do you care if I hurt them indirectly through anti-Trump activism?
That may be the sleaziest 1 cubic meter of space in the history of American Politics
Will be interesting to see what the rules committee does before convention......ain't over til the fat lady sings!
The Activism of #neverTrump is now destructive to the entire GOP party - even the good ones.
Its not rocket Science. As you OMITTED I said I donate directly to the Candidates I support. They are all GOP. The Activism of #neverTrump is now destructive to the entire GOP party - even the good ones. So vote as you wish as is your right. But attacking the party via its designated representative is now stupid and suicidal.
My post to you was meant as neither an insult nor a compliment. It was a serious question. A large group of unknown people have come to this site with that specific message: "I am voting my conscience"--as though you're the only people in the world who do that.
I just want you to know why y'all keep posting this mantra. We ALL vote our conscience. There is nothing special about you doing it. So--do you have an underlying message or reason for continuing to post this---or are you simply trying to convince yourself that helping Hillary win is a righteous thing to do? :shrug:
Its not rocket Science. As you OMITTED I said I donate directly to the Candidates I support. They are all GOP. The Activism of #neverTrump is now destructive to the entire GOP party - even the good ones. So vote as you wish as is your right. But attacking the party via its designated representative is now stupid and suicidal.
My post to you was meant as neither an insult nor a compliment. It was a serious question. A large group of unknown people have come to this site with that specific message: "I am voting my conscience"--as though you're the only people in the world who do that.
I just want you to know why y'all keep posting this mantra. We ALL vote our conscience. There is nothing special about you doing it. So--do you have an underlying message or reason for continuing to post this---or are you simply trying to convince yourself that helping Hillary win is a righteous thing to do? :shrug:
As far as I'm concerned, #NeverTrump should be declared a 'Forum Terrorist' organization. :smokin:
The field was left open for Trump since Indiana.....his endorsements have been weak at best across the board and certainly show the
GOP/RNC continues to "stall" supporting the man for obvious reasons. Convention ahead....I suspect some surprises once the
committee sets the rules prior.
Trump has won the delegate COUNT required........that does not mean he has won the Primary.
Gotta hand it to those Clintons. They couldn't have picked a better loser for Hillary to run against.
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How do you decide which ones are the good ones?How did you determine Cruz was a good one?
Okay. What do you estimate the probability to be, of Trump failing to get the nomination?
The only person who is going to change my mind from being #NeverTrump is Donny himself. He just keeps digging his hole ... he dug about another foot with his comments on Martinez.
Ditto. As long as little Donny remains #NeverConservative, I will remain #NeverTrump
The rules committee does not set the rules! They only make a recommendation to the convention and the convention can amend them to their heart's content before finally adopting them!
How did you determine Cruz was a good one?
There are actually two rules committees at play.
One is the Republican National Committee's Standing Rules Committee, a permanent body of 56 members that meets three times each
year between conventions.
Before this year’s GOP convention begins on July 18, it will have ironed out' a package of rules that essentially serves as a starting
point' for the convention. ...
.....Then,...... the' Convention-Specific Rules Committee' will take that guide and decide 'on the official rules' for the convention.
That entire rules package for the convention would 'then need to be ratified with a majority vote of the 2,472 delegates' attending the
convention.
The convention-specific committee includes one man and one woman from each of the 56 states and territories that play a role in
picking the GOP nominee.
As far as I'm concerned, #NeverTrump should be declared a 'Forum Terrorist' organization. :smokin:
Trump got the required number without the endorsement of Cruz, Ryan, Romney and the Bushes (among others). They've made themselves worse than irrelevant.:beer:
TRUMP SEALS THE DEAL
Unbound delegates put campaign over threshold for GOP nomination
http://www.foxnews.com/
http://www.bigstory.ap.org/article/6fb6b090e8734d8593c0dc65658a4afa/trump-reaches-magic-number-delegates-clinch-nomination
This is my favorite statement of all, and clearly demonstrates the cognitive dissonance of Trumpettes!
We're sick of the GOPe! We're sick of the establishment! Republicans have let us down time and time again! Trump is an outsider! He will fight the system!
[Trump becomes part of the system - a prostitution system, mind you, in which he was already the John, and hardly an outsider. Trumpettes pivot...]
HOW DARE YOU STAND AGAINST REPUBLICANS!!! YOU MUST BE FOR HILLARY!
Get your story straight... if you are able.
Hello. My name is libertybele, and I AM a Forum Terrorist! The only person who is going to change my mind from being #NeverTrump is Donny himself. He just keeps digging his hole ... he dug about another foot with his comments on Martinez. She is an excellent speaker, female and Hispanic. I don't know of anyone else that would have helped his ticket any more.His comments about Martinez are spot on. She wasn't going to back him. Her state gets some of the most fed/taxpayer money than any other state in the union. She is a major part of the problem.
What is wrong with that story????????? What don't you get about this? We want Trump.
If I have to explain it...No don't.................I was trying to explain it to you.......We want Trump, not gonna change my mind.
As far as I'm concerned, #NeverTrump should be declared a 'Forum Terrorist' organization. :smokin:
I hate to be a wet blanket, but doesn't "unbound" mean they can vote any way they want on the first ballot? The way I understand the rules, it's not over until he gets 1237 bound delegates. This celebration is a little premature (only a little. He WILL lock it up June7).
The AP reports that Trump was has reached 1,238 delegates, put over the 1,237 needed to win the nomination by a small number of the party’s unbound delegates who said they would support him at the conventionThey say they will support him at the convention.......good point cyber.
His comments about Martinez are spot on. She wasn't going to back him. Her state gets some of the most fed/taxpayer money than any other state in the union. She is a major part of the problem.
As far as I'm concerned, #NeverTrump should be declared a 'Forum Terrorist' organization. :smokin:
They say they will support him at the convention.......good point cyber.
@mystery-ak are you now going to back Trump?
Everyday I get further and further away from voting for Trump....
DC...that is ENOUGH...I will not tolerate you or anyone else here call me or other members a terrorist cause we don't support Trump...you have gone too Far!Time to save this.
Everyday I get further and further away from voting for Trump....In Il I can skip his place on the ballot as Hilary will win here.Not bit suprised. Will you now ban him too? DC?
...and just now I and other members have been called terrorists for not supporting him..last time I heard the USA is a free country and we can vote for whomever we want.....what a way to sway people to your pov!
Time to save this.Yep save it.
Myst...you never fail to satisfy.
That is what is so completely depressing. I'm in a swing state, and I really, really want to vote against Hillary. But it gets tougher every day because of the stupid things Trump keeps doing.
Very frustrating.
Not bit suprised. Will you now ban him too? DC?
DC...that is ENOUGH...I will not tolerate you or anyone else here call me or other members a terrorist cause we don't support Trump...you have gone too Far!
Bow to the Trump god or else. Never. Consider me just another forum terrorist. Lovely leftist tactic. Name calling a la Trump. It figures.
As far as I'm concerned, #NeverTrump should be declared a 'Forum Terrorist' organization. :smokin:That's enough of that sort of talk.
Everyday I get further and further away from voting for Trump....In Il I can skip his place on the ballot as Hilary will win here.
...and just now I and other members have been called terrorists for not supporting him..last time I heard the USA is a free country and we can vote for whomever we want.....what a way to sway people to your pov!
That's enough of that sort of talk.
So delete the post(s) instead of grandstanding...like all the rest. :whistle:
DC...that is ENOUGH...I will not tolerate you or anyone else here call me or other members a terrorist cause we don't support Trump...you have gone too Far!
Maybe he should leave it there as a warning to others...sort of like a head on a pike?
(I figured it was a bit tongue-in-cheek, but since I have not been back for very long, I didn't feel it was right for me to say that.)
They all know me.Please stop with the hyperbole.
Just get off my lawn!
I clearly said that #NeverTrump should be considered a forum terrorist organization.
NOWHERE did I call you or anybody else a terrorist. And I put it in quotes to dramatize the strictly comedic attempt.
It's time to get behind the candidate and cut all this HATE crap.
And frankly, I surprised that egos are so large that they can't publicly step forward and support Donald Trump against Hillary Clinton.
That's all I will say.
Seems like certain people in the back room have a hard-on for me right now.
Do you indeed want an echo-chamber? :whistle:
There are too many to delete as a lot of people quoted you.s
I saw no comedic attempt at all and I took it personally.
My family has fought terrorism in Iraq and to be compared to a terrorist is beyond the pale.
So...after being told...insulted...demeaned...that Trump had no chance..., where are we today?Behaving badly, it would appear.
There are no rules. There are only guidelines until the national delegation adopts a new set of rules to govern the convention. That happens before the first ballot.
There won't be any shennanigans. Trump will be the nominee.
I clearly said that #NeverTrump should be considered a forum terrorist organization.
NOWHERE did I call you or anybody else a terrorist. And I put it in quotes to dramatize the strictly comedic attempt.
It's time to get behind the candidate and cut all this HATE crap.
And frankly, I surprised that egos are so large that they can't publicly step forward and support Donald Trump against Hillary Clinton.
That's all I will say.
Seems like certain people in the back room have a hard-on for me right now.
Do you indeed want an echo-chamber? :whistle:
They all know me.
Just get off my lawn!
We have lots of new folks who might not take it with the humor it was intended.
This is the ONLY qualification for Trumpturds. The ONLY one.
Very cultish.
We have lots of new folks who might not take it with the humor it was intended.
Trump just said this in his presser:
Ben Adler
@badler
Trump says he would approve Keystone in exchange for "piece of the profits... that's how we're gonna make our country rich again"
When government takes "a piece of the profits", it's called a tax.
There isn't a damned thing funny about it!
I was referring to Myst and the MOD staff.
I'm done here for awhile.
But it's really sickening what I'm seeing. Back-slapping, glad-handing celebrations on who can post the most biting anti-Trump reply.
And Donald Trump, beyond all their wildest dreams, is going INTO Cleveland with the necessary votes.
We're trying to save the republic and they're planning on working against Hillary's opponent. Who, today promised to grant amnesty and wipe out our Southern border in her 1st 100 days.
They profess to continue to instigate and infuriate.
Are you trying to tell me they're "freedom fighters"? :whistle:
Trump just said this in his presser:
Ben Adler
@badler
Trump says he would approve Keystone in exchange for "piece of the profits... that's how we're gonna make our country rich again"
When government takes "a piece of the profits", it's called a tax.
Now the fascists are calling us terrorists for not backing the liberal Pimp. I have no doubt about calling them fascists, they embrace that.
The verbal gloating and insane proliferation of the Trump line of BS propaganda from the Trumpets sounds like the drinking the special tea at Trumptown.
I hear ya. Sometimes I say things I think are funny but fall flat on their face. Unless DCPat completely changed since I met him, I really don't think he really believes that.
That said, my condolences to the #NeverTrump cabal. He's won and this despite all your whining, contrariness, denial, and endless venomous comments.
I feel your pain.
W's running for a 3rd term? Another BREAKING NEWS story from RIV.
DC gets raked over the coals for his comment about #NeverTrumps being "terrorists". Meanwhile, nothing is said or done about these gems:
"This is the ONLY qualification for Trumpturds."
"Now the fascists are calling us terrorists for not backing the liberal Pimp."
Who said there was a double standard when it came to the way Trump supporters are treated compared to the anti-Trumpsters? Obviously it's ridiculous to even think so.
Nobody is saying to not vote your conscious. Its the Activism above that thats a problem now. Its Anti Republican party from this point forward.
I am not going to stop beating on your stubby-fingered baboon until he is completely out of politics.
Mission accomplished for Drumpf-Clinton-Soros cabal pulling the biggest con job on the Republican electorate.
The GOP delegates have only one chance to redeem themselves and save the party and the country, but abstaining from voting for Drumpf and switching to elect Cruz as the nominee. And even that might not save the day, if enough Drumpf supporters pout and sit out the election.
This means that from this point forward #neverTrump activism is a Hillary operation.
Never means never, baby.
#NeverTrump. :king:
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Lets put it to rest. The Party will not let crazy people destroy the party with what you are dreaming about. And make no mistake, it will destroy the GOP to even try it. Nobody selected from such antics would win and those massive number of Trump people would punish the broken remaining remnants of the GOP.
That guy just oozes Las Vegas cheese...right down to the fake tan and the wig.
That guy just oozes Las Vegas cheese...right down to the fake tan and the wig.
The verbal gloating and insane proliferation of the Trump line of BS propaganda from the Trumpets sounds like the drinking the special tea at Trumptown.
That said, my condolences to the #NeverTrump cabal. He's won and this despite all your whining, contrariness, denial, and endless venomous comments.
I feel your pain.
@Right_in_Virginia
- Your photo was taken seven years AFTER Bush left office.
- A Clinton did not run against Bush.
- It was Trump that Clinton urged to run for President, not Bush.
Latest rumor is Trump is bald. His hair is really a stealth bullet-proof helmet, pass it on...
Hogwash. #NeverTrump and #NeverClinton and #NeverSanders can easily be the same person.
If 100,000 conservative voters from each of these 9 deep-Red states: Idaho, Utah, Oklahoma, Texas, Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, Kentucky, South Carolina
and 100,000 conservative voters from each of these 11 deep-blue states: Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, Vermont, Maryland, New Jersey, Illinois, Hawaii, California, Washington, Oregon
switched their vote from Donald Trump to Darrell Castle, then
1. Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton would still win the same exact number of states as if nobody switched their votes
2. The Constitution Party would send a strong message to the GOP that its base doesn't want big government, immoral land seizure, gay "marriage", or loose abortion laws
3. The Constitution Party would win ~5% of the popular vote and would push the GOP back towards its conservative base, rather than cater to the squishy middle.
Hardly the act of a "terrorist" (an over-used word in any case).
If conservatives or Republicans could organize and execute anything, there would NOT have been 17 candidates, either.If in history, the people followed your premise, then there would be no Republican Party. Four years prior to its inaugural election in 1856, the Republican Party didn't even exist. It came in second with 33% of the vote in its first presidential election. Four years later, Lincoln won the election.
In Mineral Rights parlance, that would be called "Royalties".
If in history, the people followed your premise, then there would be no Republican Party. Four years prior to its inaugural election in 1856, the Republican Party didn't even exist. It came in second with 33% of the vote in its first presidential election. Four years later, Lincoln won the election.
I sorta envy them. I had to spend a lot more time and effort to live in an artificial reality. They just wake up every morning and there they are with no need to turn on a computer.
It's time to get behind the candidate and cut all this HATE crap.
And frankly, I surprised that egos are so large that they can't publicly step forward and support Donald Trump against Hillary Clinton.
His toupee is much better than Trump's backhair combover
He's a Putin symp. That's why Trump loves Putin so much.
Manafort's lobbied for some of the nastiest dictators on the planet.
Now, he's working for a wannabe.
So...the photo you keep posting as though significant was taken at a wedding reception with 1,000 guests almost 12 years ago.
The rest is :bs:
It's not gloating. It's celebrating.
"[T]he" candidate? There are several out there.
Why would I support Donald Trump against an opponent when he is equally as bad, perhaps even more dangerous?
Why should I not support a candidate I actually would prefer to win?
Why should I instead support a liberal with fascist tendencies? I can tell you why I shouldn't. Because I'm conservative.
btt
btttSeriously? Bumping a thread every five minutes?
Seriously? Bumping a thread every five minutes?or ran out of the same ole arguments and couldn't think of anything to say.
Seriously? Bumping a thread every five minutes?
Trump's hair is even worse than Traficant's dead animal 'do.
Seriously? Bumping a thread every five minutes?Yeah, seems some democrats are trying to forum slide it off the page posting Hillary Hillary help pieces.
@HoodatOr letting Bill the Rapist next to his new bride.
Even if there were double the number of people at the reception, you have to wonder why he would have "Crooked Hillary" the murderer there. It makes no sense.
@Hoodat
Even if there were double the number of people at the reception, you have to wonder why he would have "Crooked Hillary" the murderer there. It makes no sense.
Well, to be fair, it apparently makes no sense to YOU, @CatherineofAragon. Twelve years ago Donald Trump was a businessman. People in business routinely invite "outsiders" to weddings. It's status...both for the businessman and the guest. You may not like it, but it's done all the time. Maybe you should talk with a few Chairmans of the Board and CEOs to get their take on it. I'm sure you know several. These conversations might help balance your perspective on this.
It might also help you to know the Trumps and the Clintons have not "socialized" since.
This is just a long-winded way of saying: Relax, this is not a big deal, or a deal at all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cj5XlIf8KGw
There's a party goin' on!!! :beer: :patriot:
Open Bar....drinks on me! :beer:
We got the prettiest girls.....we've got the most beautiful women at Trump rallies.....come on in!!!! :laugh:
Cheers, my friend!
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And, to you, my friend! :beer:
Just saw that the GOP has broken the record for number of votes cast in the primaries....and there's still FIVE States to go!
bttt
My post to you was meant as neither an insult nor a compliment. It was a serious question. A large group of unknown people have come to this site with that specific message: "I am voting my conscience"--as though you're the only people in the world who do that.
I just want you to know why y'all keep posting this mantra. We ALL vote our conscience. There is nothing special about you doing it. So--do you have an underlying message or reason for continuing to post this---or are you simply trying to convince yourself that helping Hillary win is a righteous thing to do? :shrug:
Bears repeating. And may I add, very well stated, too.Nice to see you posting.
Donald Trump has now successfully achieved the most difficult part of his road to the WH, acquiring the delegates for the nomination.
Of course, the politically pure dead-enders will simply return that expletives such as we are under the spell of a madman and oh, by the way, you, me (and 11 million other GOPers) can't be trusted to make a rational decision regarding our vote. (By the way, my conscience is clear. In fact, I feel more optimistic about my vote than I have in a long time!)
As many of us have and are predicting, the general election should prove to be a cake walk for Mr. Trump. Up to now Mr. Trump has had to face a slew of top-notch GOP competitors--successful governors and young rising-star senators--defeating them each in turn.
Now he has merely to dispatch an unlikeable, undistinguished, incompetent and corrupt bureaucrat, under two FBI investigations. Like I said, a cake walk for a man like Donald Trump.
Bears repeating. And may I add, very well stated, too.
Donald Trump has now successfully achieved the most difficult part of his road to the WH, acquiring the delegates for the nomination.
Of course, the politically pure dead-enders will simply return that expletives such as we are under the spell of a madman and oh, by the way, you, me (and 11 million other GOPers) can't be trusted to make a rational decision regarding our vote. (By the way, my conscience is clear. In fact, I feel more optimistic about my vote than I have in a long time!)
As many of us have and are predicting, the general election should prove to be a cake walk for Mr. Trump. Up to now Mr. Trump has had to face a slew of top-notch GOP competitors--successful governors and young rising-star senators--defeating them each in turn.
Now he has merely to dispatch an unlikeable, undistinguished, incompetent and corrupt bureaucrat, under two FBI investigations. Like I said, a cake walk for a man like Donald Trump.
Bears repeating. And may I add, very well stated, too.
Donald Trump has now successfully achieved the most difficult part of his road to the WH, acquiring the delegates for the nomination.
Of course, the politically pure dead-enders will simply return that expletives such as we are under the spell of a madman and oh, by the way, you, me (and 11 million other GOPers) can't be trusted to make a rational decision regarding our vote. (By the way, my conscience is clear. In fact, I feel more optimistic about my vote than I have in a long time!)
As many of us have and are predicting, the general election should prove to be a cake walk for Mr. Trump. Up to now Mr. Trump has had to face a slew of top-notch GOP competitors--successful governors and young rising-star senators--defeating them each in turn.
Now he has merely to dispatch an unlikeable, undistinguished, incompetent and corrupt bureaucrat, under two FBI investigations. Like I said, a cake walk for a man like Donald Trump.
Bears repeating. And may I add, very well stated, too.
Donald Trump has now successfully achieved the most difficult part of his road to the WH, acquiring the delegates for the nomination.
Of course, the politically pure dead-enders will simply return that expletives such as we are under the spell of a madman and oh, by the way, you, me (and 11 million other GOPers) can't be trusted to make a rational decision regarding our vote. (By the way, my conscience is clear. In fact, I feel more optimistic about my vote than I have in a long time!)
As many of us have and are predicting, the general election should prove to be a cake walk for Mr. Trump. Up to now Mr. Trump has had to face a slew of top-notch GOP competitors--successful governors and young rising-star senators--defeating them each in turn.
Now he has merely to dispatch an unlikeable, undistinguished, incompetent and corrupt bureaucrat, under two FBI investigations. Like I said, a cake walk for a man like Donald Trump.
Well, to be fair, it apparently makes no sense to YOU, @CatherineofAragon. Twelve years ago Donald Trump was a businessman. People in business routinely invite "outsiders" to weddings. It's status...both for the businessman and the guest. You may not like it, but it's done all the time. Maybe you should talk with a few Chairmans of the Board and CEOs to get their take on it. I'm sure you know several. These conversations might help balance your perspective on this.
It might also help you to know the Trumps and the Clintons have not "socialized" since.
This is just a long-winded way of saying: Relax, this is not a big deal, or a deal at all.
Yeah, my father-in-law is CEO of a company.......He doesn't engage in Trump's type of practices and it hasn't subtracted from his success.
Good to see now that Trump can claim victory in the GOP, that he has FORMALLY splintered the party. Now the right can formally reject the party and stand behind the Constitution Party. I suspect you will se an exponential growth in their membership and voters. It may not be enough this election, but remember the GOP grew out of nothing in just one election cycle in 1856 to claim the White House in 1860. It CAN happen again. History has a way of repeating itself.
Well, to be fair, it apparently makes no sense to YOU, @CatherineofAragon. Twelve years ago Donald Trump was a businessman. People in business routinely invite "outsiders" to weddings. It's status...both for the businessman and the guest. You may not like it, but it's done all the time. Maybe you should talk with a few Chairmans of the Board and CEOs to get their take on it. I'm sure you know several. These conversations might help balance your perspective on this.
It might also help you to know the Trumps and the Clintons have not "socialized" since.
This is just a long-winded way of saying: Relax, this is not a big deal, or a deal at all.
Some of nevertrump will splinter into the Constitution Party...some into the Libertarian Party...the rest will return to the GOP if Trump loses the General Election. If Trump wins the election we may not need further elections, but I like to think about the shiny uniform I'll be given after I'm drafted, and the neat powers I'll get from the radiation.
I get dibs on the invisibility screen.
Some of nevertrump will splinter into the Constitution Party...some into the Libertarian Party...the rest will return to the GOP if Trump loses the General Election. If Trump wins the election we may not need further elections, but I like to think about the shiny uniform I'll be given after I'm drafted, and the neat powers I'll get from the radiation.The GOP is a party of lost cause. There is no hope in them realizing their lost culture. They have gone dark side with all of their leadership at the federal level. You can't trust any of them.
The GOP is a party of lost cause. There is no hope in them realizing their lost culture. They have gone dark side with all of their leadership at the federal level. You can't trust any of them.The GOP has been my home for the majority of my life. I don't know that I willing to abandon the Governors and state legislatures...and my Senator Ron Johnson is freakin' awesome. He's up for re-election this November.
Those have been addressed by me.....now do you want me to start posting all the lovely comments from the Trump supporters...I've got a treasure chest full of them...two can play this game.
I come from a business family (on my past husbands side). And you are correct you can be successful without practicing Trumps mannerNo you are not correct. Its comparing apples and oranges. First. Its the Corrupt areas hes in such as New York City. Bribes are a way of life in such liberal hell holes especially for large ops.2nd I seriously doubt anybody hes compared with has operations as large as the ones Trump has. A medium to small business operating in fly over country may have some corruption they have to deal with but a large one that operates internationally headquartered in NYC is in the deep of it.
of business.... They ran many businesses of which at that time I too was a part of. Thuggary gets you what you want perhaps but it's
not going to work in the long run.....I think many companies will wait four years til he's out...or work around him.
If he intends to play businesses/trade as he's said they'll simply go elsewhere to do business because like it or not the world is big
enough in trade etc. they will simply go to other nations. ....and Trump knows that. He's just selling a bill of goods to his followers
about bringing companies here....everything is happening overseas and will continue to do so IMO.
Just watching Putin after Obama and Europe cut him out should be a lesson.......while they were grumbling about Crimea he was fast
on his feet traveling throughout Asia and the ME securing contracts and agreements for industry and business.
Trump thinks he's the ONLY businessman able to secure deals.....he's not yet discovered there are many who will more than tower over
him. Building golf courses and Hotels is not the same as dealing with the politics and trade of International Leaders with the US.
Not too late to Dump Trump!Lying, cheating and stealing elections is NOT conservative.
http://www.redstate.com/diary/blbennett/2016/05/04/delegates-may-vote-trump-first-ballot./
No you are not correct. Its comparing apples and oranges. First. Its the Corrupt areas hes in such as New York City. Bribes are a way of life in such liberal hell holes especially for large ops.2nd I seriously doubt anybody hes compared with has operations as large as the ones Trump has. A medium to small business operating in fly over country may have some corruption they have to deal with but a large one that operates internationally headquartered in NYC is in the deep of it.
So your comparisons don't fly.
Nor does yours. The majority of Trump's business has been done outside of New York City.I am correct since the Liberal/#neverTrump Agitprop is about Trump donating to New York Democrats. (Omitting as always he gave more to GOP) The context of the entire premise of this Principled Hatred Screed is the donations and socializing in NYC with the Democrats who run the place.
No, thank you, that won't be necessary. All that is really needed is equal treatment of both sides in deeds as well as words.
The GOP has been my home for the majority of my life. I don't know that I willing to abandon the Governors and state legislatures...and my Senator Ron Johnson is freakin' awesome. He's up for re-election this November.Does Ron Johnson have the guts to stand up to the GOP and its move to the left? Is he willing to fight McConnell and his cronies? Would he be willing to leave the GOP over principles? If no to any of these, then he is no different than the rest of the RINOs.
That guy just oozes Las Vegas cheese...right down to the fake tan and the wig.
Time to put up or shut up, #NeverTrump. Come to the light, see the error of continuing (as I did) and all will be forgiven.
Time to put up or shut up, #NeverTrump. Come to the light, see the error of continuing (as I did) and all will be forgiven.@Bill Cipher
He exudes a sleazy used car look to him. I love it when he recently slipped and admitted that their campaign was the "Ultimate Reality TV Show" Very sad that Trump and his minions hate this country so badly that they would turn our political process into a Survivor Episode.
Trump and company...all POS.
Even now, it amazes me that people have fallen for Trump and his schtick.
Trump and company...all POS.
Equal treatment? You snowflakes were given you own safe space here for God's sake!
"and company"? Does that include his supporters of here?
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Trump and company...all POS.
Of course it does!
But if that is the case, and like you I think it is, where are the mods and the "equal treatment" I asked about?
But if that is the case, and like you I think it is, where are the mods and the "equal treatment" I asked about?
Mission accomplished for Drumpf-Clinton-Soros cabal pulling the biggest con job on the Republican electorate.
The GOP delegates have only one chance to redeem themselves and save the party and the country, but abstaining from voting for Drumpf and switching to elect Cruz as the nominee. And even that might not save the day, if enough Drumpf supporters pout and sit out the election.
No you are not correct. Its comparing apples and oranges. First. Its the Corrupt areas hes in such as New York City. Bribes are a way of life in such liberal hell holes especially for large ops.2nd I seriously doubt anybody hes compared with has operations as large as the ones Trump has. A medium to small business operating in fly over country may have some corruption they have to deal with but a large one that operates internationally headquartered in NYC is in the deep of it.
So your comparisons don't fly.
No. It doesn't have to be done that way. My Dad was building a new church in Washington, DC. A guy kept stalling him on a permit he needed. It was obvious that the guy wanted a little money to change hands. Dad thought about it because patience was not his strongest point. What he did was go to the guy and tell him, nicely, "Look, I am a minister of God. If there is something wrong with this permit application, tell me and I'll correct it. Understand that I am not going to slid any money across this counter and if you deny me this permit, I will do whatever it takes to get it approved. I'll walk it up the chain of command, I'll go to the newspapers and radio, I'll tell every single living soul I meet and that I know what is going on here." The guy gave him the permit. If you don't stand up to corruption, you enable corruption.One case with a Moral hook does not negate the fact its how many mega businesses have to operate in heavily corrupt areas and countries. I am a very honorable man especially in my dealings, one has to be to stay in business, but it is safer for all parties involved to pay off a federale to get a family relative free in Mexico then to fight it. Same reason small businesses pay protection money in areas with organized crime...
"and company"? Does that include his supporters of here?
One case with a Moral hook does not negate the fact its how many mega businesses have to operate in heavily corrupt areas and countries. I am a very honorable man especially in my dealings, one has to be to stay in business, but it is safer for all parties involved to pay off a federale to get a family relative free in Mexico then to fight it. Same reason small businesses pay protection money in areas with organized crime...
"and company"? Does that include his supporters of here?
So what do you think the price will be for Trump to walk away from building TheWall?His ego will not let him...
You are far from alone in that!
Yes, equal, just as I stated. You and all others were given the opportunity to start a thread promoting whoever's candidacy you supported without be subjected to the kinds of venomous commentary customary with you anti-Trumpsters. If you failed to avail yourself of that option, then that is on you, not us.
The other day....after having a curt exchange with one of the loudmouthed refugees......"Out of the Blue"......so to speak, I was PM'd by a very good FRiend...also a MOD here, asking me to remove "Behead those that insult Trump", which was under my avatar.....SINCE LAST JUNE.
The 'excuse'/reason? Saw a beheading video once and it was upsetting.
There's no such thing as 'equal treatment', @Paladin
Not when quantity becomes more important that quality. After all....there's a site to build. :whistle:
His ego will not let him...
In true Trumpet fashion you have twisted my comment. My spouse supports Trump, and would you think I thought she was a POS? "Trump And Company" alludes to Trump the Orange, and his company (sleazy political circle). I have no problems with Trump supporters as they are good honest hard working Americans who have been sadly duped.
No it's not.....he still has to be accepted as the RNC/GOP Representative at convention....and the rules committee meets just before that....
they could deny him the election. I hope they do regardless of the public outcry....they're already wetting their pants anyway....
Trump has done nothing but shovel out venom.
I'm not exaggerating when I say that it hits me anew every single day. DONALD TRUMP, GOP presidential nominee...it's like I fell down Alice's rabbit hole.
I twisted your comment by quoting you and asking just what you meant? Lol. If you don't want to be questioned, twisted according to you, be clearer in what you mean.company
You're confusing truth with venom. Deal with it.
You're confusing truth with venom. Deal with it.:odrama:
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Now you're confusing drama with truth, Could there be a problem with comprehension among #NeverTrumps? :pondering:I don't know. I've never identified as a #nevertrump, sorry.
Now you're confusing drama with truth, Could there be a problem with comprehension among #NeverTrumps? :pondering:People who cannot discern reality, like the fact they are being used by Democrats, obviously have a comprehension problem.
No. It doesn't have to be done that way. My Dad was building a new church in Washington, DC. A guy kept stalling him on a permit he needed. It was obvious that the guy wanted a little money to change hands. Dad thought about it because patience was not his strongest point. What he did was go to the guy and tell him, nicely, "Look, I am a minister of God. If there is something wrong with this permit application, tell me and I'll correct it. Understand that I am not going to slid any money across this counter and if you deny me this permit, I will do whatever it takes to get it approved. I'll walk it up the chain of command, I'll go to the newspapers and radio, I'll tell every single living soul I meet and that I know what is going on here." The guy gave him the permit. If you don't stand up to corruption, you enable corruption.And that is a similar correlation to what Cruz has done in the Senate. He stood up for principles. He was castigated by his fellow Republican members with NO principles, because they feared retribution. But the retribution table was turned and McConnell and his henchmen are now the devil.
People who cannot discern reality, like the fact they are being used by Democrats, obviously have a comprehension problem.
And that is a similar correlation to what Cruz has done in the Senate. He stood up for principles. He was castigated by his fellow Republican members with NO principles, because they feared retribution. But the retribution table was turned and McConnell and his henchmen are now the devil.
And that is a similar correlation to what Cruz has done in the Senate. He stood up for principles. He was castigated by his fellow Republican members with NO principles, because they feared retribution. But the retribution table was turned and McConnell and his henchmen are now the devil.
This is funny coming from a supporter of the candidate hand-picked by Bill Clinton to run against his wife.
Cruz calling McConnell a liar on the senate floor was one of my favorite political moments of the past 10 years.
Cruz is a principled man and was maligned and smeared by Trump. This is a disgrace.
Hey, @austingirl ! Cruz is a politician who was the master of his own defeat. The only disgrace is that he and his supporter are still whining .
Pointing out the many things about the remaining candidate that should cause any conservative to be concerned is not whining.I would also point out, that skepticism of any candidate, Cruz and Trump, Hil/Bern, and all past, present, and future candidates,is healthy for a Republic an should always be encouraged.
Hey, @austingirl ! Cruz is a politician who was the master of his own defeat. The only disgrace is that he and his supporter are still whining .If Trump even had a smidgeon of the political and ethical principles encompassed by Cruz, he might have some hope! But he doesn't, so not much hope there.
There is a (another) fairly detailed this time article on Yahoo news this morning explaining how Trump could still not get the nomination depending on the rules committee.
Every day Donald Trump becomes more and more unhinged and every day we learn new damaging information about him.
I read the report on Yahoo news and hope it is true.
Trump is the one person in the known universe that Hillary could actually beat.
My tinfoil hat might be showing, but i wonder if the media wasn't in cahoots all along.No doubt. They will find any way they can to support Hillary!
This is funny coming from a supporter of the candidate hand-picked by Bill Clinton to run against his wife.Delusions are not facts
Who would have thought, one month ago, that the Republican convention would be end up being a quiet affair and the Democrat convention would be the one in disarray?
tRumpbots should be very careful of counting chicken before eggs hatch.Can't argue with you.
The "Done Deal" is when the delegate votes are counted, not before, no matter how much tRumpies wish or claim it.
My tinfoil hat might be showing, but i wonder if the media wasn't in cahoots all along.
My tinfoil hat might be showing, but i wonder if the media wasn't in cahoots all along.
No doubt. They will find any way they can to support Hillary!
Why complain, you're doing your part to get her elected as well.Don't hold your breath. Hillary isn't out of the fire yet. It could be Bernie or Joe B, which would be WORSE for Trump. Besides, the GOP now needs to look both left AND right.
Its either gonna be Hillary or Trump at this point. That's it.
Why complain, you're doing your part to get her elected as well.
Its either gonna be Hillary or Trump at this point. That's it.
Some say when one voted for Trump in the first place, it was a vote for HRC.
So, I've just got to do what comes along really; I don't really object to Trump like some people do; just wasn't my first choice.
This is funny coming from a supporter of the candidate hand-picked by Bill Clinton to run against his wife.
How FR of you!
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As Bigun would say...since not voting for Trump is a vote for Hitlery, then not voting for Hitlery is a vote for Trump. Looks like I'm supporting both candidates already.
Donald Trump has tapped into the hate people already felt for various groups and segments of society. That doesn't make him a good person.
No he has not. He has exposed the shallow, facile and intellectually vacant nature of political correctness and THAT has angered those who's glass houses have been subsequently rattled. Any hate generated, stems from their own actions and choices...what you're saying is akin to blaming a rape victim for dressing provocatively and "asking for it". Ludicrous. People waving Mexican flags, swearing at people as they walk into a free speech political rally and trashing police officers and their equipment...haven't been tapped into, they've simply been exposed.:hands:
You have two choices at this point, regardless of what options may have once been available. Its going to be Hillary or its going to be Trump. Moving forward, the choices we all make collectively and the sum of our individual choices will put one of them in the White House. So semantic games aside we all now have just two choices. Period.I can't decide which piece of dung I want to ruin America. So I won't. You decide for you, and I'll pray whoever wins only gets one term, is impeached, or becomes unable to carry out their duties.
I can't decide which piece of dung I want to ruin America. So I won't. You decide for you, and I'll pray whoever wins only gets one term, is impeached, or becomes unable to carry out their duties.
He may say it, but that doesn't help it to make any sense...or to guide current and future actions.
You have two choices at this point, regardless of what options may have once been available. Its going to be Hillary or its going to be Trump. Moving forward, the choices we all make collectively and the sum of our individual choices will put one of them in the White House. So semantic games aside we all now have just two choices. Period.
Nope. We have three choices. The choice you left out is to vote for neither Hillary nor Trump. Not voting for Trump is not voting for Trump. That Hillary might be elected is entirely a separate issue from not voting for Trump.
You see, I can't vote for someone I objectively believe to be mentally unstable and dangerous for the country. That Hillary is also dangerous for the country mandates, for me, that I vote for neither.
He may say it, but that doesn't help it to make any sense...or to guide current and future actions.
You have two choices at this point, regardless of what options may have once been available. Its going to be Hillary or its going to be Trump. Moving forward, the choices we all make collectively and the sum of our individual choices will put one of them in the White House. So semantic games aside we all now have just two choices. Period.
No he has not. He has exposed the shallow, facile and intellectually vacant nature of political correctness and THAT has angered those who's glass houses have been subsequently rattled. Any hate generated, stems from their own actions and choices...what you're saying is akin to blaming a rape victim for dressing provocatively and "asking for it". Ludicrous. People waving Mexican flags, swearing at people as they walk into a free speech political rally and trashing police officers and their equipment...haven't been tapped into, they've simply been exposed.
Nope. We have three choices. The choice you left out is to vote for neither Hillary nor Trump. Not voting for Trump is not voting for Trump. That Hillary might be elected is entirely a separate issue from not voting for Trump.
You see, I can't vote for someone I objectively believe to be mentally unstable and dangerous for the country. That Hillary is also dangerous for the country mandates, for me, that I vote for neither.
The premise that we have only two choices is not so. No one owns my vote. The candidates are applying for a job, and we're doing the hiring. Both of the nominees fail to convince me of their fitness for the job, so I'll pass on voting to hire either of them.
So, why not just STHU and....see you mid-November? :laugh:
Good for you @CatherineofAragon I guess you're on the tip of the spear of the new American spirit: Sit it out.
Yeah, that's what this weekend remembers. Must be a proud moment for you.
Good for you @CatherineofAragon I guess you're on the tip of the spear of the new American spirit: Sit it out.
Yeah, that's what this weekend remembers. Must be a proud moment for you.
Good for you @CatherineofAragon I guess you're on the tip of the spear of the new American spirit: Sit it out.
Yeah, that's what this weekend remembers. Must be a proud moment for you.
I haven't made up my mind if I'll write in a candidate or simply vote downticket, so I won't be sitting it out, but neither Trump nor Hillary will get my vote.
My father was in the military. He didn't put himself in harm's way for three years for me to squander my vote on an amoral, dishonest reality show celebrity.
FAIL
Voting your conscience - voting for a third party or writing in a candidate - is not sitting it out. Refusing to go along with Nuremberg rallies is principled, not sitting it out.
We all vote our conscience @Oceander There is nothing so special about you doing it that justifies fighting against a viable victory in November.
You're being too clever by half.
We all vote our conscience @Oceander There is nothing so special about you doing it that justifies fighting against a viable victory in November.
You're being too clever by half.
FAIL #2
Ahh, so just because Obama was destined to win in 2008 and 2012, I should have STFU and joined Team Obama?
You're being radically illogical - a common failing of Trump worshipers - if you vote your conscience, then why can't I vote mine? There is nothing so special about you or your new god, Trump, that requires the rest of us to suffocate our consciences and vote for your god because a bunch of GOP primary voters were stupid enough to nominate him.
Would you still be quite so domineering if the GOP had nominated Clinton? Would you still vote for her just because she was the GOP nominee?
New Rasmussen Poll of 1000 likely voters shows a dead heat (statistically speaking) - 39% Trump and 40% Hilderbeast. What's REALLY telling is that leave 21% not supporting either of these two. Since both are barely getting 40%, it is quite likely that neither will get 270 Electoral College votes.
IMHO, this is too irrational to answer, @Oceander
I'm out.
FAIL #2
Ahh, so just because Obama was destined to win in 2008 and 2012, I should have STFU and joined Team Obama?
You're being radically illogical - a common failing of Trump worshipers - if you vote your conscience, then why can't I vote mine? There is nothing so special about you or your new god, Trump, that requires the rest of us to suffocate our consciences and vote for your god because a bunch of GOP primary voters were stupid enough to nominate him.
Would you still be quite so domineering if the GOP had nominated Clinton? Would you still vote for her just because she was the GOP nominee?
Well that makes sense...but IMO there is 'everything senseless about this election' to go by the standard way we determine if or not to
vote for Trump. ... Heck I can't even find voting against Hillary, as I did for McCain against Obama, a reasonable argument in this
election. It just isn't working.
I admit I'm hoping the RNC/GOP will pull a rabbit out of their hat and somehow change the trajectory. ......or some event that would
change the equation before us. But as it looks currently I'll have to side with Trump with the hope he'll do so badly they'll impeach him
asap .....which is also why I want to know who his running mate will be.
I can't convince myself to refrain from voting.....nor just voting down ticket......it's just a dang mess!
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I will NOT dishonor the memories of my friends by voting for either Trump or Hillary!
We don't WANT Trump to win. Get that through your head. That Hillary wins is a consequence of YOU forcing this clown on us.
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I will NOT dishonor the memories of my friends by voting for either Trump or Hillary!
What a load of crap. :whistle:
IMHO, this is too irrational to answer, @Oceander
I'm out.
Yes it is. Why did you dump the Trump crapwagon on America?What true American wants to eat a CrapWagon sandwich?
Geezuz.....whatever you do, don't type "bye". :whistle:
Geezuz.....whatever you do, don't type "bye". :whistle:
Uh, in case you do not know...that three letter word is a very hot button for many of us recent arrivals.
Do you need me to explain why?
Post edited because quoted post was edited.
As I recall, you, DC were among the first to welcome me here. Wonder why that was...then? Because I have not changed who I was at TOS.
Post edited. Stop the baiting. You are now on warning.
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In a couple weeks, my father will turn 91. As a WWII vet of the Okinawa invasion (1945), he can't stand and has said in no uncertain terms, that a vote for Hillary OR Trump would open the doors for another Pearl Harbor or 9/11. I have to agree with him.
Your father is a wise man! My father, now long since departed, was a South Pacific Marine as well! Guadalcanal and later Peleliu.Thank you. And as a proud Veteran, a Memorial Day salute to your father as well. :patriot:
Nah. Trump's gotten all the Republicans he's going to get. Most of those Sanders voters will vote for Hillary. Look for her to get six or seven point bump out of her convention and she will never trail.
Not if you're pretending to be a moderator to bully a newcomer from FR, you don't type "bye".
I agree that Trump is tapped out. Hillary can easily gain the Bernie supporters by just offering the VP position to him (or to Warren, with Bernie in the cabinet).
And her SuperPAC can air ads to persuade disaffected GOP members that she'd be better than Trump. /as well as remind everyone about his statements (to seal up the Hispanic vote).
The thing is, to Democrats, Hillary is like Romney... a candidate they don't want, but who they can hold their nose and vote for.
Trump is a candidate that about 20-25% of the GOP cannot vote for, even holding their nose.
Don't forget the Democrat voter fraud.
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In a couple weeks, my father will turn 91. As a WWII vet of the Okinawa invasion (1945), he can't stand and has said in no uncertain terms, that a vote for Hillary OR Trump would open the doors for another Pearl Harbor or 9/11. I have to agree with him.
Thank you. And as a proud Veteran, a Memorial Day salute to your father as well. :patriot:
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In a couple weeks, my father will turn 91. As a WWII vet of the Okinawa invasion (1945), he can't stand and has said in no uncertain terms, that a vote for Hillary OR Trump would open the doors for another Pearl Harbor or 9/11. I have to agree with him.
Mine will be 91 in a few days. Navy. Tinian. Iwo Jima.
@Cyber Liberty
I think these stories and memories are wonderful and moving. Should we start a new "Memorial Day" thread so all can share? :patriot:
I don't have much to say. It's a bit of a sore spot of lat...Dad has dementia, and I don't know if he remembers much about it these days. 8888crybaby
I'll second that.
@Bigun
Please don't put your comment inside the quote box. That ascribes your words to me.
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I don't have much to say. It's a bit of a sore spot of lat...Dad has dementia, and I don't know if he remembers much about it these days. 8888crybaby
Thank you. And as a proud Veteran, a Memorial Day salute to your father as well. :patriot:
God bless your dad. I appreciate all members of the armed services, but I admit I have a soft spot for WWII vets. I was born to my parents when they were older; my father fought in the Battle of the Bulge. It breaks my heart a little every time I hear that a WWII vet has passed away.Thank you! We're hoping to get him on one of the WWII memorial flights, but not sure he can make it. He is a handful with transfers from a wheelchair to whatever. Still healthy as a horse but very limited mobility. Both he and I have dedicated our whole adult life to serving this great country. If only our elected officials would carry the ethos of our service men and women.
Here's to twenty more years for your father! :beer:
Didn't mean to do that.
Thank you! We're hoping to get him on one of the WWII memorial flights, but not sure he can make it. He is a handful with transfers from a wheelchair to whatever. Still healthy as a horse but very limited mobility. Both he and I have dedicated our whole adult life to serving this great country. If only our elected officials would carry the ethos of our service men and women.
IMHO, this is too irrational to answer, @OceanderActually, it's a really great, really logical question. But it's unsurprising that you ducked it. Lol.
I'm out.
Actually, it's a really great, really logical question. But it's unsurprising that you ducked it. Lol.Do you recall any election where the nominee's supporters basically harangued us 6 to 8 weeks before the convention to get on board or else X, Y or Z will happen, and it will be our fault?
Do you recall any election where the nominee's supporters basically harangued us 6 to 8 weeks before the convention to get on board or else X, Y or Z will happen, and it will be our fault?No.
First time in my lifetime, that is for sure.
There was a little bit of it with Romney, but nothing like this year.
There was quite a bit with Romney... And with McAin't/Palin, and with DubyaII
But you are right - not anything like now.
Okay, you are right, but I seem to remember the push being post convention
My heartfelt thanks to you both.People in elected offices would have a whole different perspective of life if they have to serve in the military or as a first responder before they could hold office. It would also weed out those whimpy goody two shoes who think THEY know what's right for everyone else.
The majority of our elected officials are in it for themselves. My father-in-law recently confronted our congressman about some of the things he said he planned to do, but never even tried. FIL said," I gave you a large sum of money to help get you elected, but now it looks like you're one of those who were in it for the lifetime health care and $150K pension. What do you say to that?"
The congresscritter just shrugged and walked away.
People in elected offices would have a whole different perspective of life if they have to serve in the military or as a first responder before they could hold office. It would also weed out those whimpy goody two shoes who think THEY know what's right for everyone else.
There was a little bit of it with Romney, but nothing like this year.I remember being one of the last holdouts on Romney here. Never was I subjected to as much harassment over it then as I and others are now over Trump—although fortunately I'm not alone this time around.
Solution...constitutional amendment granting two votes in all elections to those who've completed honorable Military Service and/or Law Enforcement service.There you go. I'm all in for that. I could just hear the liberals howl at that for being discrimitory.
A kind of "super" citizenship.
I'd rather it go back to being just property owners.
Me too. No skin in the game, no vote. We used to complain "No taxation without representation!" Well, representation without taxation ain't no great shakes either. It's a formula for rampant looting.
Problem with that is that its too complicated trying to define "property". For example, does intellectual property count? Are we talking real estate only?[sarc] yeah but...
Real property that is personally inhabited 183 days of the year.
Does that mean I have to ditch my beach house and live ONLY in the mountain cabin and my Desert retreat?Yes. :|
Unless you are arguing that people not voting for their own party's nominee
Yes. :|
I meant as opposed to living outside of the US.
The party's nominee identifies with the other party. Not that I care anymore.
The party has lost me.
Amendment XIV, Section 2 is what messes all this up.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv#Section_2 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv#Section_2)
But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.
This means that if a state were to limit its voters only to people who pay taxes, for instance, then their representation in Congress would decrease. That is one of the reasons why states do not police their voter rolls. The more voters, the more Congressmen.
Amendment XIV, Section 2 is what messes all this up.But this can be easily offset with the repeal of the 16th Amendment on the power to tax individuals, and put the tax on the states, proportionally to its population. That would sure cut off the sanctuary city syndrome.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv#Section_2 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv#Section_2)
But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.
This means that if a state were to limit its voters only to people who pay taxes, for instance, then their representation in Congress would decrease. That is one of the reasons why states do not police their voter rolls. The more voters, the more Congressmen.