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Trump delays operation to deport migrant families
By Tal Axelrod - 06/22/19 03:08 PM EDT
President Trump announced he would delay for two weeks an Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) operation that would have deported as many as 2,000 migrant families.
Trump said the delay would allow for negotiations on Capitol Hill regarding immigration reform.
“At the request of Democrats, I have delayed the Illegal Immigration Removal Process (Deportation) for two weeks to see if the Democrats and Republicans can get together and work out a solution to the Asylum and Loophole problems at the Southern Border. If not, Deportations start!†Trump tweeted.
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https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/449859-trump-delays-operation-to-deport-migrant-families
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Trump Delays ICE’s 10-City Immigration Raids for Two Weeks
https://www.breitbart.com/news/trump-delays-ices-10-city-immigration-raids-for-two-weeks/ (https://www.breitbart.com/news/trump-delays-ices-10-city-immigration-raids-for-two-weeks/)
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Here we go again!! 9999hair out0000 Who does he think he's kidding??? Work out a solution with Congress??? Every darn time that I think Trump just may be making some progress he walks it back ...time and time again. It's getting old and it's getting to the point that EVERY thing he says lately you can almost bet, he's not going to follow through; the wall, deportations, Mexico tariffs, Iran, etc.
Is he becoming a very, very ineffective hollow drum?
Trump delays ICE raids two weeks to see if Congress can 'work out a solution'
President Donald Trump announced Saturday that he's delaying for two weeks US Immigration and Customs Enforcement raids that were planned to take place Sunday in 10 major US cities, saying deportations will proceed unless Congress finds a solution on the US-Mexico border.
The President's move follows criticism from the cities' mayors and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi among others.
"At the request of Democrats, I have delayed the Illegal Immigration Removal Process (Deportation) for two weeks to see if the Democrats and Republicans can get together and work out a solution to the Asylum and Loophole problems at the Southern Border,'" Trump said on Twitter Saturday. "If not, Deportations start!"........
https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/22/politics/ice-raids-sunday-10-cities-donald-trump-defends-arrests/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/22/politics/ice-raids-sunday-10-cities-donald-trump-defends-arrests/index.html)
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I have delayed the Illegal Immigration Removal Process (Deportation) for two weeks to see if the Democrats and Republicans can get together and work out a solution to the Asylum and Loophole problems at the Southern Border,'" Trump said on Twitter Saturday. "If not, Deportations start!"...
Whether they come up with a solution isn’t relevant. There are illegals that still need to be deported. Almost sounds like he’s open to amnesty.
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I have delayed the Illegal Immigration Removal Process (Deportation) for two weeks to see if the Democrats and Republicans can get together and work out a solution to the Asylum and Loophole problems at the Southern Border,'" Trump said on Twitter Saturday. "If not, Deportations start!"...
Whether they come up with a solution isn’t relevant. There are illegals that still need to be deported. Almost sounds like he’s open to amnesty.
Exactly right. This isn't supposed to be some kind of bargaining chip, it should be done because it needs to be done.
What an effing shitshow this is turning out to be....
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Exactly right. This isn't supposed to be some kind of bargaining chip, it should be done because it needs to be done.
What an effing shitshow this is turning out to be....
He looks weak and indecisive especially coming after his backing down on Iran
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He looks weak and indecisive especially coming after his backing down on Iran
He looks like some kind of unprincipled fool that thinks being President is some kind of "Let's Make a Deal!" game....
**nononono*
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He looks weak and indecisive especially coming after his backing down on Iran.
An argument can be made for the Iran decision being disproportionate (I disagree), but this doesn’t make a lot of sense. All I can figure is that somehow, they’ll try to spin this as similar to the tariff threat against Mexico, bringing Congress to negotiations. Nevertheless, there are still a number of people that require deportation, as I stated before.
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Just in the last few months we've seen a backtrack on closing the border by announcing they got a year reprieve to fix it, 5 weeks later the 5% tariff threat, precluding with a nothing of substance treaty of some sort. He then signs the Border Money Bill congress hands him which does nothing to fix the problem. Now the backtrack on Deportations.
This is the Chamber and his Liberal advisors (family) influence on him.
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****sheep****
Does he think he is going to pull this bull crap until the next election?
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****sheep****
Does he think he is going to pull this bull crap until the next election?
If he does he is going to see his base fall by the wayside....
A large portion of people voted for him specifically for his promises on the wall and deportations.... talk about letting them down....
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I have delayed the Illegal Immigration Removal Process (Deportation) for two weeks to see if the Democrats and Republicans can get together and work out a solution to the Asylum and Loophole problems at the Southern Border,'" Trump said on Twitter Saturday. "If not, Deportations start!"...
Whether they come up with a solution isn’t relevant. There are illegals that still need to be deported. Almost sounds like he’s open to amnesty.
That'd definitely be a deal breaker. For me and many like me.
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If he does he is going to see his base fall by the wayside....
A large portion of people voted for him specifically for his promises on the wall and deportations.... talk about letting them down....
Bigly. Not just letting us down but allowing an invasion.
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If he does he is going to see his base fall by the wayside....
A large portion of people voted for him specifically for his promises on the wall and deportations.... talk about letting them down....
I don't have a problem with playing negotiating games. They often work. I didn't have a problem with his refusing to bomb Iran because they destroyed some of our hardware.
But I DO have a BIG problem with him using a no-brainer like deporting people who have disregarded a judges order to leave as a bargaining chip. They, at the very least, need to GO no if ands or buts.
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Bigly. Not just letting us down but allowing an invasion.
You have a lot of effing nerve, @Chosen Daughter
Remember? You didn't vote for him. "He's not my president..."
Stuff it.
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I don't have a problem with playing negotiating games. They often work. I didn't have a problem with his refusing to bomb Iran because they destroyed some of our hardware.
But I DO have a BIG problem with him using a no-brainer like deporting people who have disregarded a judges order to leave as a bargaining chip. They, at the very least, need to GO no if ands or buts.
What would be an "art of the deal" negotiation would be to simply start the deportations and have Nancy get in touch after "millions" are being deported. Then maybe she will be ready to secure the border.
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Sure seems to be a lot of waffling coming out of the Administration lately, more so than usual. Is there another power struggle going on amongst his top advisors, again? Mulvaney about to go, like Ron and Kelley before him?
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I don't have a problem with playing negotiating games. They often work. I didn't have a problem with his refusing to bomb Iran because they destroyed some of our hardware.
But I DO have a BIG problem with him using a no-brainer like deporting people who have disregarded a judges order to leave as a bargaining chip. They, at the very least, need to GO no if ands or buts.
Exactly correct.
Back in the 80's we had the military capability to literally drop a missile right down a chimney stack.
Today, we can obliterate from orbit.
There's nothing wrong with using this tactic...in fact, it's kind of magnanimous. LOL!
You don't want people judged already for deportation? Fine...sit at the GD table and iron it out.
The DEMS will never realize they're subjects in some 2020 campaign video spot.
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You have a lot of effing nerve, @Chosen Daughter
Remember? You didn't vote for him. "He's not my president..."
Stuff it.
Come on...that isn't how it works..he is POTUS and subject to criticism no matter if you voted for him or not.
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Exactly correct.
Back in the 80's we had the military capability to literally drop a missile right down a chimney stack.
Today, we can obliterate from orbit.
There's nothing wrong with using this tactic...in fact, it's kind of magnanimous. LOL!
You don't want people judged already for deportation? Fine...sit at the GD table and iron it out.
The DEMS will never realize they're subjects in some 2020 campaign video spot.
That’s fine DC but at some point he’s gotta do what has to be done.
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This is all we heard for two weeks and now we learn it was just a bargaining chip...I feel sorry for ICE being used like this.
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I'm getting whiplash. I'd better call Saul.
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If he does he is going to see his base fall by the wayside....
A large portion of people voted for him specifically for his promises on the wall and deportations.... talk about letting them down....
He's counting on being able to keep his base because the DEMS are worse (?). Well, I think he's miscalculated his voting base - OR - as I've said before, this may have been his plan all along. It could be that he had not intention of closing the border or building a wall; he was inserted into the '16 election for one reason and that was to take out Ted Cruz.
He's great at speaking at his rallies and telling the crowd what they want to hear. I admit his last rally was great ... and I had climbed aboard the Trump Reality Railroad. That may be very short lived, because what he says and what he does keeps turning out to be two different things and that doesn't appear to be on just the border but everything that he's been saying lately.
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That’s fine DC but at some point he’s gotta do what has to be done.
I totally agree with you, @skeeter
His tactics are getting predictable.
So far, he's batting 1.000, but IMO, tariffs and judicial mandates regarding deportation of certain illegal aren't the same.
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Come on...that isn't how it works..he is POTUS and subject to criticism no matter if you voted for him or not.
That's not my point, @mystery-ak I have no problem with somebody criticizing the President.
She forfeited her right to bitch when she decided to vote for Hillary Clinton.
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He looks weak and indecisive especially coming after his backing down on Iran
Yes he does look weak and indecisive. He continues to backpedal on just about everything. He's backed down on Iran; I can't help but wander what Russia and N. Korea and China are now thinking ... "this guys is full of b.s.". How can they take him seriously now?
Certainly his flip-flopping is making news around the globe. If people in his own country can't count on him to say what he does, how can any country put any stock in what he says?
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He looks weak and indecisive especially coming after his backing down on Iran
I'm withholding judgement, but these are court ordered deportations, I don't see why he would stop them. Does
he even have the authority to stop them?
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He looks weak and indecisive especially coming after his backing down on Iran
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Heraclitus asserted that character was destiny; now consider Trump's character.
In effect, he was a Viet-nam draft dodger whose landlord old man Fred, got a tenant Podiatrist
to diagnose Donald w/bone spurs which got him re-classified into the absolutely lowest risk category for being drafted. This was confirmed in writing by the daughter of the Doctor, now deceased, who was her father's Office Secretary/PA. So much for Trump's character.
Prediction: By convention time, if Trump is still in office, delegates will be screaming for his replacement.
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I'm withholding judgement, but these are court ordered deportations, I don't see why he would stop them. Does
he even have the authority to stop them?
From my understanding those court ordered deportations have been conveniently ignored for quite some time.
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Heraclitus asserted that character was destiny; now consider Trump's character.
In effect, he was a Viet-nam draft dodger whose landlord old man Fred, got a tenant Podiatrist
to diagnose Donald w/bone spurs which got him re-classified into the absolutely lowest risk category for being drafted. This was confirmed in writing by the daughter of the Doctor, now deceased, who was her father's Office Secretary/PA. So much for Trump's character.
Prediction: By convention time, it Trump is still in office, delegates will be screaming for his replacement.
The last time that happened Manafort cut off the microphones. /JS
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Heraclitus asserted that character was destiny; now consider Trump's character.
In effect, he was a Viet-nam draft dodger whose landlord old man Fred, got a tenant Podiatrist
to diagnose Donald w/bone spurs which got him re-classified into the absolutely lowest risk category for being drafted. This was confirmed in writing by the daughter of the Doctor, now deceased, who was her father's Office Secretary/PA. So much for Trump's character.
Prediction: By convention time, it Trump is still in office, delegates will be screaming for his replacement.
That's just it. The RNC and 'powers that be' quickly got Trump's nomination through without the final votes from the delegates.
Secondly, who is going to replace him? No one is challenging him.
At this point Trump is hoping for impeachment because he feels it would guarantee is victory. Even if he was impeached, that leaves Pence who has done a marvelous job at praising his boss. I don't trust Pence, and never have.
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Yes he does look weak and indecisive. He continues to backpedal on just about everything. He's backed down on Iran; I can't help but wander what Russia and N. Korea and China are now thinking ... "this guys is full of b.s.". How can they take him seriously now?
Certainly his flip-flopping is making news around the globe. If people in his own country can't count on him to say what he does, how can any country put any stock in what he says?
Asked if there would be a strike on Iran, he said something like "wait and see". Unbelievable that some people would be so critical, they sound like they'd want a bloody and quite possibly, irresponsible war that would kill many including Americans.
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Asked if there would be a strike on Iran, he said something like "wait and see". Unbelievable that some people would be so critical, they sound like they'd want a bloody and quite possibly, irresponsible war that would kill many including Americans.
Oh good grief! No on wants blood on their hands and certainly none of us want a President that opens his mouth and threatens without following through. He approved the strike(s) so, it was more than a wait and see!! If he thought that there would be any hesitation on his part he shouldn't have opened his mouth period.
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2 weeks, maybe he feels like he has to make an implicit threat to get things done. Yes, I'm sure our system needs to pick up these people to begin with. Well, ICE is in the news fairly frequently for picking up various personas.
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2 weeks, maybe he feels like he has to make an implicit threat to get things done. Yes, I'm sure our system needs to pick up these people to begin with. Well, ICE is in the news fairly frequently for picking up various personas.
??? So by your logic, he needs to make another threat because he really didn't mean the first threat or the first threat wasn't good enough??
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I have delayed the Illegal Immigration Removal Process (Deportation) for two weeks to see if the Democrats and Republicans can get together and work out a solution to the Asylum and Loophole problems at the Southern Border,'" Trump said on Twitter Saturday. "If not, Deportations start!"...
Whether they come up with a solution isn’t relevant. There are illegals that still need to be deported. Almost sounds like he’s open to amnesty.
They are also political pawns to be manipulated to one sides advantage. If the Rats care about them prove it!
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I don't have a problem with playing negotiating games. They often work. I didn't have a problem with his refusing to bomb Iran because they destroyed some of our hardware.
But I DO have a BIG problem with him using a no-brainer like deporting people who have disregarded a judges order to leave as a bargaining chip. They, at the very least, need to GO no if ands or buts.
I agree.
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??? So by your logic, he needs to make another threat because he really didn't mean the first threat or the first threat wasn't good enough??
Nobody said anything about not meaning anything.
Sometimes you have to use threatening language to get things done like a parent telling a child "If you don't clean your room, I will".
It's just a 2 week extension.
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Nobody said anything about not meaning anything.
Sometimes you have to use threatening language to get things done like a parent telling a child "If you don't clean your room, I will".
It's just a 2 week extension.
Not the point. The point is Trump, especially as of late, continues to backpedal on every supposed threat or deal that he makes.
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I guess TBR is the anti-Trump home page. It seems like he can't do anything right.
I'm looking at his record and it's pretty good, especially when you look at how few allies he's really had.
I love this move on the deportations. If the Rats don't step up an negotiate people get tossed out. If the Rats do negotiate more people are not allowed in. Either way Trump and the Pubs win. Also, it doesn't hurt Trump with Hispanic Americans or African Americans.
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I guess TBR is the anti-Trump home page. It seems like he can't do anything right.
I'm looking at his record and it's pretty good, especially when you look at how few allies he's really had.
I love this move on the deportations. If the Rats don't step up an negotiate people get tossed out. If the Rats do negotiate more people are not allowed in. Either way Trump and the Pubs win. Also, it doesn't hurt Trump with Hispanic Americans or African Americans.
:thumbsup:
2 weeks isn't much time, as commented elsewhere, our government is more efficient in red tape.
Maybe this is saying, "if you don't fix it, then, here goes".
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I guess TBR is the anti-Trump home page. It seems like he can't do anything right.
I'm looking at his record and it's pretty good, especially when you look at how few allies he's really had.
I love this move on the deportations. If the Rats don't step up an negotiate people get tossed out. If the Rats do negotiate more people are not allowed in. Either way Trump and the Pubs win. Also, it doesn't hurt Trump with Hispanic Americans or African Americans.
Just the other day another poster claimed that TBR was a Trump site....I can't win for losing.
It is neither..it is a conservative political/news site where you are free to criticize or praise political leaders
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I guess TBR is the anti-Trump home page. It seems like he can't do anything right.
I'm looking at his record and it's pretty good, especially when you look at how few allies he's really had.
I love this move on the deportations. If the Rats don't step up an negotiate people get tossed out. If the Rats do negotiate more people are not allowed in. Either way Trump and the Pubs win. Also, it doesn't hurt Trump with Hispanic Americans or African Americans.
PLEASE, please let me know what he IS currently doing with the situation at the border that is right. I am serious. I want a glimmer of hope here.
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Just the other day another poster claimed that TBR was a Trump site....I can't win for losing.
It is neither..it is a conservative political/news site where you are free to criticize or praise political leaders
Most of us realize that. Accusations are thrown at other posters when all else fails. Just sayin'.
BTW I appreciate this forum, BIGLY!
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Not the point. The point is Trump, especially as of late, continues to backpedal on every supposed threat or deal that he makes.
:bsflag:
This statement deserves this. Waffle, backpedal? Worked with Mexico,
Bluffed with Iran? We do not seem to be at heightened tensions right now.
This is the only "waffling" I've seen recently and it has worked.
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BTW, war with Iran, the loss of human life is bad enough but I was listening to some show, talk about money spent, we've had Iraq and Afghanistan, Iran would really be costly, most of the population probably has some sympathies with the West as well.
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Ok, says Trump was gonna target 2000 families.... What is that? About a day or two's amount of illegals that cross the border. Good grief.
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This is all we heard for two weeks and now we learn it was just a bargaining chip...I feel sorry for ICE being used like this.
This just strengthens the Dems resolve to resist any kind of immigration reform...much less money for a wall.
AOC is all over Twitter today telling people how to help illegals avoid detention and what the illegals should do if ICE comes to deport them.
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Ok, says Trump was gonna target 2000 families.... What is that? About a day or two's amount of illegals that cross the border. Good grief.
On some days that's just the amount in a couple of hours.
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I guess TBR is the anti-Trump home page. It seems like he can't do anything right.
I'm looking at his record and it's pretty good, especially when you look at how few allies he's really had.
I love this move on the deportations. If the Rats don't step up an negotiate people get tossed out. If the Rats do negotiate more people are not allowed in. Either way Trump and the Pubs win. Also, it doesn't hurt Trump with Hispanic Americans or African Americans.
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Hmm....................love his record???
Er.........................what record is that???
Oops........... ........I forgot, it's denuclearized NK, Venezuelan stability and that Chinese deal.
And best of all.......his spending restraint.
What's not to love????
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What would be an "art of the deal" negotiation would be to simply start the deportations and have Nancy get in touch after "millions" are being deported. Then maybe she will be ready to secure the border.
Yep... negotiate from power.. not the other way around. When no teeth marks are left to show you have bit, nobody listens... It is all talk and no action.... a dog and pony show for the weak minded voting public.
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This statement deserves this. Waffle, backpedal? Worked with Mexico,
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@TomSea
The topic is the deportation of the millions of illegals that the courts have ordered, nothing to do with Iran.
Look below at his Tweets, you can't see the back peddling?
(http://i66.tinypic.com/2zyz86h.jpg)
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@TomSea
The topic is the deportation of the millions of illegals that the courts have ordered, nothing to do with Iran.
Look below at his Tweets, you can't see the back peddling?
(http://i66.tinypic.com/2zyz86h.jpg)
The topic though was on 'waffling' and 'backpedaling' which the Prez was accused of doing and Iran was mentioned in one of these two threads by someone else first.. but I was saying how that was not backpedaling.
As for the statements he was ordering ICE to pick up millions, yes, that seems to be problematic to say the least.
@EdJames
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:thumbsup:
2 weeks isn't much time, as commented elsewhere, our government is more efficient in red tape.
Maybe this is saying, "if you don't fix it, then, here goes".
I'm with you!
Trump has a lot of moving parts at play and it looks like a lot of them will work out. The wall is getting built, slower than we would like but it is getting built. Mexico is starting to come around since they don't want tariffs, or to be declared a "safe country". Now the Rats are under pressure to negotiate and if not lawful deportations will be increased. In the last case the Rats lose. The Pubs are already the party that wants our sovereignty protected and the Rats supposedly care about the illegals.
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Just the other day another poster claimed that TBR was a Trump site....I can't win for losing.
It is neither..it is a conservative political/news site where you are free to criticize or praise political leaders
Fair enough.
It just seems people get so entrenched in their positions they can never see the victories.
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PLEASE, please let me know what he IS currently doing with the situation at the border that is right. I am serious. I want a glimmer of hope here.
Really?
The wall is being built.
Mexico is trying to hold off tariffs and being forced to be a "safe country".
Now the Rats are being told negotiate, or deportations increase. BTW, who do you think sympathetic liberal Hispanic Americans will blame if the Rats don't negotiate. They may never vote for Pubs, but a lot won't vote for the Rats.
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This just strengthens the Dems resolve to resist any kind of immigration reform...much less money for a wall.
AOC is all over Twitter today telling people how to help illegals avoid detention and what the illegals should do if ICE comes to deport them.
And how exactly does this hurt Pubs?
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Hmm....................love his record???
Er.........................what record is that???
Oops........... ........I forgot, it's denuclearized NK, Venezuelan stability and that Chinese deal.
And best of all.......his spending restraint.
What's not to love????
What a great example of myopic vision.
China is struggling and businesses are moving out.
NK is not firing missiles and is not detonating nuclear bombs.
Venezuela is still a basket case and we did not go to war.
If you want spending restrain elect Trump supporters not establishment Pubs, or Rats.
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I guess TBR is the anti-Trump home page. It seems like he can't do anything right.
I'm looking at his record and it's pretty good, especially when you look at how few allies he's really had.
I love this move on the deportations. If the Rats don't step up an negotiate people get tossed out. If the Rats do negotiate more people are not allowed in. Either way Trump and the Pubs win. Also, it doesn't hurt Trump with Hispanic Americans or African Americans.
What is there to negotiate? These are ordered deportations. Negotiations are give and takes on both sides. Amnesty can be the only playing piece. I won't deport if...………… As far as I am concerned this should be a move he takes regardless of what Democrats think. There is absolutely nothing to negotiate. OUT!! GET OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And Trump has been trying to negotiate for his entire presidency. Only resulting in the Chuck and Nancy media show that has let everyone know Trump is unable.
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@TomSea
The topic is the deportation of the millions of illegals that the courts have ordered, nothing to do with Iran.
Look below at his Tweets, you can't see the back peddling?
(http://i66.tinypic.com/2zyz86h.jpg)
Are you familiar with the term "puffing". Realtors and developers do it as a matter of course. Trump is not a career politician. He was a developer. If you understand the culture you will understand his language. He may not be perfect, but give him some credit. He's done more to straighten out trade than any POTUS I can think of. On immigration he has raised the issue to a fever pitch and is pushing for real long term solutions. He hasn't backed off. He's fighting on multiple fronts with very little real support.
I'll vote for this guy next time around and I will contribute to his campaign.
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I guess TBR is the anti-Trump home page.
@bilo
Stop it. You're smarter than that. You know better than to say stupid stuff like that.
Were that true...there's a lot of people that post here that wouldn't be allowed here.
Think about it.
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What is there to negotiate? These are ordered deportations. Negotiations are give and takes on both sides. Amnesty can be the only playing piece. I won't deport if...………… As far as I am concerned this should be a move he takes regardless of what Democrats think. There is absolutely nothing to negotiate. OUT!! GET OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And Trump has been trying to negotiate for his entire presidency. Only resulting in the Chuck and Nancy media show that has let everyone know Trump is unable.
These are also pawns in a political war.
Trump is using every tool he can to not just get some illegals out, but to fix the problems that let them in. It's not just getting a wall built. It's just as important to change the asylum laws and rules about how they are held, were they held, how long they are held and when they can be sent back.
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Trump is a fool. After all this time he still hasn't figured out the the goal of the Democrats is to sabotage anything and everything.
Thinking that Congress will ever in a million years 'come to a solution' is a level of idiocy which I cannot imagine. They're just stalling, delaying, impeding, just like they always do. Damn Trump! What the hell man? Are you really that stupid!?
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I have delayed the Illegal Immigration Removal Process (Deportation) for two weeks to see if the Democrats and Republicans can get together and work out a solution to the Asylum and Loophole problems at the Southern Border,'" Trump said on Twitter Saturday. "If not, Deportations start!"...
Whether they come up with a solution isn’t relevant. There are illegals that still need to be deported. Almost sounds like he’s open to amnesty.
Totally agree.
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These are also pawns in a political war.
Trump is using every tool he can to not just get some illegals out, but to fix the problems that let them in. It's not just getting a wall built. It's just as important to change the asylum laws and rules about how they are held, were they held, how long they are held and when they can be sent back.
The best tool he could use is to start the deportations. If they are going to negotiate it won't be until they actually suffer a little.
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The best tool he could use is to start the deportations. If they are going to negotiate it won't be until they actually suffer a little.
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This!
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Trump is a fool. After all this time he still hasn't figured out the the goal of the Democrats is to sabotage anything and everything.
Thinking that Congress will ever in a million years 'come to a solution' is a level of idiocy which I cannot imagine. They're just stalling, delaying, impeding, just like they always do. Damn Trump! What the hell man? Are you really that stupid!?
And what happens when they don't and who gets blamed for it.
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The best tool he could use is to start the deportations. If they are going to negotiate it won't be until they actually suffer a little.
No it's not. This is also a political war.
It is just as important to show that the deportations were the last thing he wanted to do.
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No it's not. This is also a political war.
It is just as important to show that the deportations were the last thing he wanted to do.
Why would that be the last thing he wants to do? Are you pro amnesty? I posted awhile ago in the other thread that I could get on the Trump Train if its going in the right destination. And the right destination has nothing to do with race or religion. It has nothing to do with political party or political posturing. It has to do with following our laws and Constitution. These people have deportation orders. That is the law.
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No it's not. This is also a political war.
It is just as important to show that the deportations were the last thing he wanted to do.
You couldn't be more wrong. These people broke Federal law entering the country illegally...the FIRST thing that should be done is deportation.
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President Trump announced he would delay for two weeks an Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) operation that would have
Add feckless to the wonderful list of traits of this POTUS.
And don't give me the "wise to negotiate" BS. This was Trump's cornerstone platform, and now he's gone all jelly legged on the issue.
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It is just as important to show that the deportations were the last thing he wanted to do.
Huh? If this is true, DJT just pulled the biggest ruse in American political history.
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Huh? If this is true, DJT just pulled the biggest ruse in American political history.
This! This is the truth. The only negotiating with the socialist communist party under Nancy Pelosi we should be doing is no negotiation. This is a party who have claimed that only Nazi's would'nt want open borders (AOC). Start the deportations its the law. And if Nancy thinks this is cruel then she should want to stop them from going through it by agreeing to border security.
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What a great example of myopic vision.
China is struggling and businesses are moving out.
NK is not firing missiles and is not detonating nuclear bombs.
Venezuela is still a basket case and we did not go to war.
If you want spending restrain elect Trump supporters not establishment Pubs, or Rats.
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Apparently you're the Chair of the Trumpet fan club.
Well done but a demurral.
This preening narcissist has done little but run his mouth since puberty.
But obviously that's ok w/fans where bullshit TRUMPS action and results.
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The best tool he could use is to start the deportations. If they are going to negotiate it won't be until they actually suffer a little.
That's ridiculous.
Nancy, Chuck and FRiends would LOVE to have the media grab heart-breaking human stories for the 2020 campaign.
And their philosophy of the State over the individual lets them sleep like babies while the deportations are in swing.
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That's ridiculous.
Nancy, Chuck and FRiends would LOVE to have the media grab heart-breaking human stories for the 2020 campaign.
And their philosophy of the State over the individual lets them sleep like babies while the deportations are in swing.
Well if we can't uphold the laws because we are afraid of Democratic ads we are in trouble. Because no matter what he does there will be commercials and news stories. They always have a sob story ready. Like the children that died even though we sent them for medical attention. We should have ads that counter that showing how they are getting sick sleeping in squalor on the journey Democrats encourage them to take. Your ridiculous.
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It's a shame nobody warned us that Trump was a con artist. Maybe by 2065 the evangelicals will figure it out.
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Are you familiar with the term "puffing". Realtors and developers do it as a matter of course. Trump is not a career politician. He was a developer. If you understand the culture you will understand his language.
I've seen puffers before....
(http://www.montezumabeach.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/smooth-puffer-fish.jpg)
He may not be perfect, but give him some credit. He's done more to straighten out trade than any POTUS I can think of. On immigration he has raised the issue to a fever pitch and is pushing for real long term solutions. He hasn't backed off. He's fighting on multiple fronts with very little real support.
He certainly has raised it to a fever pitch. We've never had more people streaming across the border each month and being dispersed throughout the country!
He has been in the office for near 30 months now, don't you think that we should at least see some progress on these "real long term solutions?"
I'll vote for this guy next time around and I will contribute to his campaign.
There is another slogan that developers like to use: "A fool and his money are soon parted...."
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Trump is a fool. After all this time he still hasn't figured out the the goal of the Democrats is to sabotage anything and everything.
Thinking that Congress will ever in a million years 'come to a solution' is a level of idiocy which I cannot imagine. They're just stalling, delaying, impeding, just like they always do. Damn Trump! What the hell man? Are you really that stupid!?
@240B
I don't believe it is because he is stupid, but rather because he still fancies himself as some kind of master deal maker.
He still thinks that he can force a deal with every single person that ever lived. (He doesn't understand that there are people in gubmint that will NEVER make a deal with him.)
Part of it is that he is believing his own press releases... I mean Tweets.
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What is AMAZING to me is that for some inexplicable reason he still believes that the Democrats are acting in good faith. As if they have the interests of America in mind. I can kind of understand this in his first year. But after all that he has been through at the hands of the Dems, you would think that he would finally get the message at this point.
Maybe he is doing it because he believes that he can 'make a deal'.
Maybe he is doing it to make the deportations the Dems fault, because they refuse to make a deal.
Maybe he himself is really not serious about deporting anybody.
We just don't know. All we can do is to wait and see how it all turns out. I have very low expectations that anything significant will change.
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Donald J. Trump
â€Verified account @realDonaldTrump
I want to give the Democrats every last chance to quickly negotiate simple changes to Asylum and Loopholes. This will fix the Southern Border, together with the help that Mexico is now giving us. Probably won’t happen, but worth a try. Two weeks and big Deportation begins!
8:13 AM - 23 Jun 2019
Whatever
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Reports that Pelosi called Trump to stop raids raise suspicions, may be a smokescreen
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2019/06/23/reports-that-pelosi-called-trump-to-stop-raids-raise-suspicions-may-be-a-smokescreen-767860 (https://www.bizpacreview.com/2019/06/23/reports-that-pelosi-called-trump-to-stop-raids-raise-suspicions-may-be-a-smokescreen-767860)
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ICE director tells Pirro real reason raids were halted. Confirms ‘green light’ to remove illegal immigrants
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2019/06/23/ice-director-tells-pirro-real-reason-raids-were-halted-confirms-green-light-to-remove-illegal-immigrants-767861 (https://www.bizpacreview.com/2019/06/23/ice-director-tells-pirro-real-reason-raids-were-halted-confirms-green-light-to-remove-illegal-immigrants-767861)
again...whatever...if this is the case you just move up the time for the raids...
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Oye vavoy! The angst. 88devil
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Oye vavoy! The angst. 88devil
Trump just gave the Democrats two weeks to obfuscate, delay, and otherwise throw more sand into the gearbox. It’s obvious that Trump doesn’t want to “fix†border security, but keep it as a rallying cry for you and the rest of Trump apologists.
There are over 2000 judicial orders to deport these lawbreakers, and Trump just gave them two weeks to find a new hiding place.
One thing is sure: there is nothing that Trump can do that the Trump Brigadiers will not disagree with. In fact, they spin every action in his favor, as if he makes Sun Tzu look like a rank amateur.
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Trump just gave the Democrats two weeks to obfuscate, delay, and otherwise throw more sand into the gearbox. It’s obvious that Trump doesn’t want to “fix†border security, but keep it as a rallying cry for you and the rest of Trump apologists.
There are over 2000 judicial orders to deport these lawbreakers, and Trump just gave them two weeks to find a new hiding place.
One thing is sure: there is nothing that Trump can do that the Trump Brigadiers will not disagree with. In fact, they spin every action in his favor, as if he makes Sun Tzu look like a rank amateur.
Yep, and I bet this obfusication really plays well with his base who was asking much higher the wall needed to be built.
Seems like he is on a political suicide mission.
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Mercifully, the foggy mist is beginning to evaporate for some.
Trump has been nothing but hustler and opportunist all his life,
as his Mother well understood more than 60 years ago. Surprise!
His core principles are..................................................what?
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Trump just gave the Democrats two weeks to obfuscate, delay, and otherwise throw more sand into the gearbox. It’s obvious that Trump doesn’t want to “fix†border security, but keep it as a rallying cry for you and the rest of Trump apologists.
There are over 2000 judicial orders to deport these lawbreakers, and Trump just gave them two weeks to find a new hiding place.
One thing is sure: there is nothing that Trump can do that the Trump Brigadiers will not disagree with. In fact, they spin every action in his favor, as if he makes Sun Tzu look like a rank amateur.
:thumbsup:
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Why would that be the last thing he wants to do? Are you pro amnesty? I posted awhile ago in the other thread that I could get on the Trump Train if its going in the right destination. And the right destination has nothing to do with race or religion. It has nothing to do with political party or political posturing. It has to do with following our laws and Constitution. These people have deportation orders. That is the law.
Obviously you've never negotiated agreements. The Rats could care less about our laws and constitution, except when they can use it to keep their opponents from achieving their goals. So why would you be so eager to let them do that? Is it you just want a cheap short lived victory?
This whole battle over illegal immigration is going to be won by the side that is more successful in their posturing. Why do you think Trump is always talking about MS-13 and other criminals that are entering the country. Why do you think the Rats are always talking about the moms are their babies.
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Yep, and I bet this obfusication really plays well with his base who was asking much higher the wall needed to be built.
Seems like he is on a political suicide mission.
Being the grand narcissist that he is, I don't think that he thinks that he'll be defeated; after all he proclaims he is one of the greatest presidents ever and no one has been able to accomplish what he has done. If he is defeated, he has plenty of blame to go around. Guarantee it.
He is excellent at selling himself, drawing a crowd and telling people what they want to here. He has done some good for this country, that is without question. Border security isn't one of his accomplishments; nor do I think border security and a wall was ever his agenda. That issue only served a purpose in getting him elected.
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You couldn't be more wrong. These people broke Federal law entering the country illegally...the FIRST thing that should be done is deportation.
This just ignores the reality on the ground.
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Obviously you've never negotiated agreements. The Rats could care less about our laws and constitution, except when they can use it to keep their opponents from achieving their goals. So why would you be so eager to let them do that? Is it you just want a cheap short lived victory?
This whole battle over illegal immigration is going to be won by the side that is more successful in their posturing. Why do you think Trump is always talking about MS-13 and other criminals that are entering the country. Why do you think the Rats are always talking about the moms are their babies.
Well, talk is very cheap and inaction is very costly!! Playing tiddly winks with our sovereignty doesn't exactly equal border security, in fact it screams incompetency and shows his lack of being able to accomplish the very issue he campaigned on. Anyone who would risk the sovereignty of this country should be deeply ashamed!!!
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Apparently you're the Chair of the Trumpet fan club.
Well done but a demurral.
This preening narcissist has done little but run his mouth since puberty.
But obviously that's ok w/fans where bullshit TRUMPS action and results.
More of the same nonsense from the blind.
If you can't see he's accomplished more with less support then you just don't want to see it because you're more put off by his abrasive personality.
Apparently you're in good company at TBR and with the establishment "genteel" Pubs.
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More of the same nonsense from the blind.
If you can't see he's accomplished more with less support then you just don't want to see it because you're more put off by his abrasive personality.
Apparently you're in good company at TBR and with the establishment "genteel" Pubs.
I must have missed it. What exactly has he accomplished at the border??
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That's ridiculous.
Nancy, Chuck and FRiends would LOVE to have the media grab heart-breaking human stories for the 2020 campaign.
And their philosophy of the State over the individual lets them sleep like babies while the deportations are in swing.
It's good to see someone is thinking beyond the immediate "feel good" reaction.
Every step of the way Trump has tried to get a real, permanent, legislative solution. It shows solid in depth thinking. If he does it all on his own it's easy to over turn all the good that gets accomplished by the next radical leftist who gets elected masquerading as a moderate. However, if he is reluctantly forced into taking action on his own after exhausting all efforts to find compromise it's much more difficult to undo the good that gets done and to cast him as the bad guy.
In 2-3 weeks when deportations start cranking up and the media/Rats start claiming the deportees are all victims Trump can easily say, "why wouldn't you try and work it out". He did the same thing with Mexico and the tariffs. They worked it out. I don't think the Rats will because being the "victim" is their #1 play in their playbook.
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Well, talk is very cheap and inaction is very costly!! Playing tiddly winks with our sovereignty doesn't exactly equal border security, in fact it screams incompetency and shows his lack of being able to accomplish the very issue he campaigned on. Anyone who would risk the sovereignty of this country should be deeply ashamed!!!
How many Pubs did we both support and elect who did that very thing for the sake of cheap labor?
I don't want to win a battle. I want to win the war. At least Trump knows how to fight it. All I see from all the establishment Pubs on TBR is cries for immediate one time action that guarantees a public backlash, instead of incrementally taking action as the other side continues to show they are operating in bad faith.
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I must have missed it. What exactly has he accomplished at the border??
You obviously aren't looking.
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That's ridiculous.
Nancy, Chuck and FRiends would LOVE to have the media grab heart-breaking human stories for the 2020 campaign.
And their philosophy of the State over the individual lets them sleep like babies while the deportations are in swing.
I had to address this one more time. I think what you said here tells the trouble with getting anything done. It says why we are moving away from our Conservative values. Its fear. Fear that the Democrats will win. So we shouldn't do anything. Fear, so we should move more in their direction. Fear, so we shouldn't uphold the law. Fear, so we should sign more spending bills that put this country in debt. Your afraid of the Chuck and Nancy show.
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How many Pubs did we both support and elect who did that very thing for the sake of cheap labor?
I don't want to win a battle. I want to win the war. At least Trump knows how to fight it. All I see from all the establishment Pubs on TBR is cries for immediate one time action that guarantees a public backlash, instead of incrementally taking action as the other side continues to show they are operating in bad faith.
Deportations are court ordered. They already have them and its the law. By postponing them it gives illegal a chance to hide. It undermines law enforcement from doing their jobs. What can you negotiate about that? The deportations need to happen no matter what. This only plays into the hands of Democrats who call for the end of ICE. What else is there? This is their job. To carry out the court ordered deportations. There doesn't seem to be anything there to bargain with.
So tell me what delaying this is going to do? What can you use about court ordered deportations for negotiations?
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Deportations are court ordered. They already have them and its the law. By postponing them it gives illegal a chance to hide. It undermines law enforcement from doing their jobs. What can you negotiate about that? The deportations need to happen no matter what. This only plays into the hands of Democrats who call for the end of ICE. What else is there? This is their job. To carry out the court ordered deportations. There doesn't seem to be anything there to bargain with.
So tell me what delaying this is going to do? What can you use about court ordered deportations for negotiations?
Exactly. Delaying isn't going to do a darn thing. Nancy supposedly asked for Trump to delay the deportations. It's the law! So why didn't he turn to her and say, it's the law and the deportations are happening period.
You are correct; there is no bargaining chip here and certainly nothing to be gained for the greater good of this country. Nothing more than a horse and pony show.
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Smart move on his part. He is giving the Dims enough rope to hang themselves with. Now when they fail to act and he cracks down,they can't say he did it arbitrarily or without consulting them.
And...,if in the meantime a few deport themselves to keep from having their names on a list in the future,that's good for us,too.
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This just ignores the reality on the ground.
Just to be clear...are you talking about what you think is the reality on the ground...or the reality I saw on the ground during the three months I spent at the border recently?
Just need to know which reality we're talking about here?
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Just to be clear...are you talking about what you think is the reality on the ground...or the reality I saw on the ground during the three months I spent at the border recently?
Just need to know which reality we're talking about here?
:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :2popcorn: :2popcorn:
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More of the same nonsense from the blind.
If you can't see he's accomplished more with less support then you just don't want to see it because you're more put off by his abrasive personality.
Apparently you're in good company at TBR and with the establishment "genteel" Pubs.
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What he's accomplished would't fill the south west quadrant of a postage stamp.
Anyway it's an opinion forum so believe whatever you want.
History's leaders galvanized support thru their action, persona and vision; hardly yip-yap.
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Smart move on his part. He is giving the Dims enough rope to hang themselves with. Now when they fail to act and he cracks down,they can't say he did it arbitrarily or without consulting them.
And...,if in the meantime a few deport themselves to keep from having their names on a list in the future,that's good for us,too.
How is it smart? The only thing he can do is obey the law. What can he promise her by holding off? You have to focus on the bargaining chip. Its the deportations. No matter what, it is the law and they must continue.
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Apparently you're in good company at TBR and with the establishment "genteel" Pubs.
So border enforcement and deportation of illegals is now considered an "establishment" position?
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Deportations are court ordered. They already have them and its the law. By postponing them it gives illegal a chance to hide. It undermines law enforcement from doing their jobs. What can you negotiate about that? The deportations need to happen no matter what. This only plays into the hands of Democrats who call for the end of ICE. What else is there? This is their job. To carry out the court ordered deportations. There doesn't seem to be anything there to bargain with.
So tell me what delaying this is going to do? What can you use about court ordered deportations for negotiations?
Are you really THAT dense? @Chosen Daughter
A Deep Stater leaked the planned deportation pick-ups so that they WOULD be able to hide away.
So, President Trump decides to make lemonade out of lemons ....getting it out there that he would use a couple of weeks to get something useful out of the delay, by involving the Democrats to 'work out a solution'.
If the DEMS fail to cooperate...it isn't going to stop these poor bastards from being picked up.
These deportees can't stay off the grid forever...any 'Friend' of theirs will toss their ass out after 14 days. :laugh:
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Are you really THAT dense? @Chosen Daughter
A Deep Stater leaked the planned deportation pick-ups so that they WOULD be able to hide away.
So, President Trump decides to make lemonade out of lemons ....getting it out there that he would use a couple of weeks to get something useful out of the delay, by involving the Democrats to 'work out a solution'.
If the DEMS fail to cooperate...it isn't going to stop these poor bastards from being picked up.
These deportees can't stay off the grid forever...any 'Friend' of theirs will toss their ass out after 14 days. :laugh:
You've been on the Q anon site again haven't you. Its OK you don't have to admit it.
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So border enforcement and deportation of illegals is now considered an "establishment" position?
Sounds like it.
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You obviously aren't looking.
You obviously don't live in border state. So tell me what is happening that I don't see.
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You've been on the Q anon site again haven't you. Its OK you don't have to admit it.
LOL! Good one! :beer:
...never clicked on it ever!
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Are you really THAT dense? @Chosen Daughter
A Deep Stater leaked the planned deportation pick-ups so that they WOULD be able to hide away.
So, President Trump decides to make lemonade out of lemons ....getting it out there that he would use a couple of weeks to get something useful out of the delay, by involving the Democrats to 'work out a solution'.
If the DEMS fail to cooperate...it isn't going to stop these poor bastards from being picked up.
These deportees can't stay off the grid forever...any 'Friend' of theirs will toss their ass out after 14 days. :laugh:
So glad that you've been wearing your secret decoder ring @DCPatriot, otherwise we'd have to wait to see what he really means when he backpedals on this issue again.
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How is it smart? The only thing he can do is obey the law. What can he promise her by holding off? You have to focus on the bargaining chip. Its the deportations. No matter what, it is the law and they must continue.
@Chosen Daughter
Bite me. There is no answer that will satisfy you because you see Trump as a sinner,and you want him punished,so you are just going to bitch about everything he says and does.
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@Chosen Daughter
Bite me. There is no answer that will satisfy you because you see Trump as a sinner,and you want him punished,so you are just going to bitch about everything he says and does.
@sneakypete what exactly has Trump accomplished on border security? He has back pedaled on everything that he says he's going to do on this issue, so much, that when he states something on this issue, I can count on him walking it back within a week or two and sure enough he does.
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@sneakypete what exactly has Trump accomplished on border security? He has back pedaled on everything that he says he's going to do on this issue, so much, that when he states something on this issue, I can count on him walking it back within a week or two and sure enough he does.
@libertybele
I can't give you the advise I want to give you without Myst getting upset,so just guess.
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@libertybele
I can't give you the advise I want to give you without Myst getting upset,so just guess.
You are probably correct @sneakypete In a couple of hours it will be her Birthday.
I can't help but notice the Trumpers have been kind of quiet the last 4~5 days here.
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@Chosen Daughter
Bite me. There is no answer that will satisfy you because you see Trump as a sinner,and you want him punished,so you are just going to bitch about everything he says and does.
I know that you have vocalized your hate for Christians. I have sympathized with you on any wrong done to you by Christians or Christianity. But this is stupid. What I say about Trump has nothing to do with sinning. The post was only about the deportations being ordered by the court. Get over yourself.
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@libertybele
I can't give you the advise I want to give you without Myst getting upset,so just guess.
Oh look the sun is shining; oh that's right, you're head is elsewhere. :silly: I definitely don't need your advice.
Trump's talk is cheap but it IS costing our country dearly. Name one positive accomplishment that he has done to remedy the crisis at the border.
You threw the first punch, don't expect to sling mud and not get it back.
To make insinuations and insult politicians is one thing, but to do so against those posting is quite another.
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Hey guys, my Gra-ma used to always say.
(https://i.imgur.com/Pq4c6Ir.jpg)
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To make insinuations and insult politicians is one thing, but to do so against those posting is quite another.
Typical (Marxist) Democrat tactic. Deny Trump the resources he needs to improve border security and then blame him for the consequences
of not improving border security. We conservative Troop supporter see right thru your sham tactics.
Rep. Dan Crenshaw explains things nicely
http://twitter.com/i/status/1139220901474570241 (http://twitter.com/i/status/1139220901474570241)
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Typical (Marxist) Democrat tactic. Deny Trump the resources he needs to improve border security and then blame him for the consequences
of not improving border security. We conservative Troop supporter see right thru your sham tactics.
Rep. Dan Crenshaw explains things nicely
http://twitter.com/i/status/1139220901474570241 (http://twitter.com/i/status/1139220901474570241)
Look, I have acknowledged the obvious obstruction from the DEMS. That still doesn't change the fact that Trump backpedals on everything he says on the issue of border security (and other things); by now the DEMS have his number and know that they can manipulate him and get their way. He sent them that message when he shutdown the government and then caved to them; including signing a bill to allow states to opt out of a barrier. He is still the President and he still has executive authority. He is still Commander in Chief of our military and he has an obligation to protect this country from invasion. Backing down on deportations, which is the law and well within his scope of authority to enforce is unacceptable. It shows weakness and incompetency on his part.
Yes, we conservative troopers see right through Trump's b.s.!
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LOL! Good one! :beer:
...never clicked on it ever!
LOL! Are you sure. I think he may have just dropped a secret signal.
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LOL! Are you sure. I think he may have just dropped a secret signal.
Back on topic. Reports of what Nancy wants are coming in .... so the big question is .... will Trump go ahead with the deportations or cave into Nancy's demands??
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Oh look the sun is shining; oh that's right, you're head is elsewhere. :silly: I definitely don't need your advice.
Trump's talk is cheap but it IS costing our country dearly. Name one positive accomplishment that he has done to remedy the crisis at the border.
@libertybele
He continues to piss you tiny-minded moralistic RINO's off,and with any luck at all one day your heads will explode. That would be a huge public service.
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@libertybele
He continues to piss you tiny-minded moralistic RINO's off,and with any luck at all one day your heads will explode. That would be a huge public service.
As I stated before; yes, we conservative troopers see right through Trump's b.s. :seeya:
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As I stated before; yes, we conservative troopers see right through Trump's b.s. :seeya:
@libertybele
There is nothing conservative about people like you. You use that label to hide behind while operating like Storm Troopers. What you are is religious fascists.
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@libertybele
There is nothing conservative about people like you. You use that label to hide behind while operating like Storm Troopers. What you are is religious fascists.
SP, you paint with far too broad of a brush.... there are many of us that are none of the things that you describe, but remain profoundly disappointed at the utter, broad failures with immigration and the border.
Especially since he is never honest with us about it. The BS doesn't work anymore.
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SP, you paint with far too broad of a brush.... there are many of us that are none of the things that you describe, but remain profoundly disappointed at the utter, broad failures with immigration and the border.
Especially since he is never honest with us about it. The BS doesn't work anymore.
One thing you have to understand about ol' Pete...either you support everything Trump does 110% of the time...even when what he does is a flip flop of what he originally said or promised...or you're a dirty Hillary supporter.
There is no middle ground with him.
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Just heard on Fox Business that Mexico is sending 15,000 troops to their NORTHERN border to help control the border. Hope this is true.
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Today, a distraught caller finally got thru in Rush's 3rd hour today...pissed off that all day, he NEVER commented, or explained away, the capitulation to Pelosi regarding the canceling of the targeted deportations.
Rush essentially said the same thing I did the other day (yesterday)? that he was going to draw the democrats out on their refusal to work with him on immigration. Own it was a campaign issue.
And just like Rush, I too, said I was disappointed that it's getting a bit too predictable for me....backing off on his initial threat.
Maybe it's because..... I WANT BLOOOOOD!!!!!!!!! 9999hair out0000
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Maybe it's because..... I WANT BLOOOOOD!!!!!!!!! 9999hair out0000
We need to apply the "Chicago Way" to the Iranians. 150 dead IRGC soldiers as retaliation for shooting down a drone would have been a good start.
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We need to apply the "Chicago Way" to the Iranians. 150 dead IRGC soldiers as retaliation for shooting down a drone would have been a good start.
Schlicter is right. IRAN would have been a huge trap for the President.
There's no doubt in my mind that if we'd lost one of our Top Guns, an Iranian Air Base would be s smouldering ruins today.
But fool me once.... as the saying goes.
To pull back...or even broadcast the operation?
Rush said, as with any marketing plan, you never tell the customer how your'e going to separate him from his money. You just execute it.
I'm at a loss...getting tired after 4 years and nothing changed at the border.
This is BULLSHIT!!! 9999hair out0000
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Schlicter is right. IRAN would have been a huge trap for the President.
There's no doubt in my mind that if we'd lost one of our Top Guns, an Iranian Air Base would be s smouldering ruins today.
But fool me once.... as the saying goes.
To pull back...or even broadcast the operation?
Rush said, as with any marketing plan, you never tell the customer how your'e going to separate him from his money. You just execute it.
I'm at a loss...getting tired after 4 years and nothing changed at the border.
This is BULLSHIT!!! 9999hair out0000
IMHO a measured response like the radar installations...actions similar to how Reagan handled them in the 80's isn't a trap. It's effective and proven.
I share your frustration with the border.
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Just heard on Fox Business that Mexico is sending 15,000 troops to their NORTHERN border to help control the border. Hope this is true.
Yes, I heard this as well and I hope that it is true and that they are successful in curtailing the invasion. I want this President to succeed.
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Schlicter is right. IRAN would have been a huge trap for the President.
There's no doubt in my mind that if we'd lost one of our Top Guns, an Iranian Air Base would be s smouldering ruins today.
But fool me once.... as the saying goes.
To pull back...or even broadcast the operation?
Rush said, as with any marketing plan, you never tell the customer how your'e going to separate him from his money. You just execute it.
I'm at a loss...getting tired after 4 years and nothing changed at the border.
This is BULLSHIT!!! 9999hair out0000
888high58888 :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
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One thing you have to understand about ol' Pete...either you support everything Trump does 110% of the time...even when what he does is a flip flop of what he originally said or promised...or you're a dirty Hillary supporter.
There is no middle ground with him.
@txradioguy
Typical kneejerk NT reaction.
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One thing you have to understand about ol' Pete...either you support everything Trump does 110% of the time...even when what he does is a flip flop of what he originally said or promised...or you're a dirty Hillary supporter.
There is no middle ground with him.
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One thing you have to understand about ol' Pete...either you support everything Trump does 110% of the time...even when what he does is a flip flop of what he originally said or promised...or you're a dirty Hillary supporter.
There is no middle ground with him.
I'm just a dirty Christian to him. He always targets my faith. I made a mistake in sympathizing with him when he told me how oppressive the Christians were when he was growing up. Now if I don't talk nice about Trump he goes straight to my Christianity. So I never did anything to him so he can't be believed anymore. For all I know he just hates God.
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Y'all know that the acting DHS leader, Kevin McAleenan leaked the plan to the WashCompost, right? PDJT had to call it off.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet//mattvespa/2019/06/24/oh-so-thats-who-scuttled-the-trump-administrations-planned-ice-raids-n2548810
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I'm just a dirty Christian to him. He always targets my faith. I made a mistake in sympathizing with him when he told me how oppressive the Christians were when he was growing up. Now if I don't talk nice about Trump he goes straight to my Christianity. So I never did anything to him so he can't be believed anymore. For all I know he just hates God.
@Chosen Daughter
<Cut it out.>
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@txradioguy
Typical kneejerk NT reaction.
Gien the support I've shown for Trump when he does things right...<hey, guys? It's way too early for that.>
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@Chosen Daughter
<Cut it out.>
@Mod1
<Really?>
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@Chosen Daughter
<Cut it out.>
<The topic is ICE raids.>
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So, as it often happens, we are left without a clear picture of what is going on....
If we go by Trump's Tweet, he postponed the raids to allow 2 weeks for the Congress to work on fixing the "loopholes" in immigration law...
Then we hear that 5 (un-named) sources all point to McAleenan as a leaker that caused Trump to have to postpone because the leaks compromised the operation...
Then last evening Lou Dobbs starts his show saying that he talked to McAleenan on the phone yesterday and that McAleenan swears up and down that he isn't a leaker...
It sounded like Dobbs was going to have that (recorded) interview later in the show, but it never came.... He never brought it up until he had on Matt Gaetz late in the show, Dobbs mentions to Gaetz that McAleenan denies being a leaker and Gaetz tells Dobbs that he believes him.....
So we don't know why Trump postponed these deportation efforts (that he originally billed as being "millions") for supposedly two weeks....
It certainly can't be because he believes that the Pelosi House is going to pass any legislation fixing the issues.
Also, we need to keep in mind that there are two separate bills being discussed at this point, and we shouldn't confuse the two:
1. The "humanitarian funding" supplement that is around $5 billion... Senate has passed a version, House has a version (not yet passed to my knowledge)...
2. The imaginary "fix the issues" bill that Trump is hoping gets passed in two weeks... which really isn't two weeks because of the 4th of July recess coming up...
And of course what seems to be lurking in the background (if you listen carefully) is the emergence of a dreaded "comprehensive immigration reform" bill.... could that emerge as some sort of sick combination of the above 2 bills?
Will it contain an amnesty for "N" millions?
If it does emerge in this murky atmosphere, I suspect that Trump will sign it, unfortunately....
:shrug:
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<This is not the thread to make fun of Christians.>
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So, as it often happens, we are left without a clear picture of what is going on....
If we go by Trump's Tweet, he postponed the raids to allow 2 weeks for the Congress to work on fixing the "loopholes" in immigration law...
Then we hear that 5 (un-named) sources all point to McAleenan as a leaker that caused Trump to have to postpone because the leaks compromised the operation...
Then last evening Lou Dobbs starts his show saying that he talked to McAleenan on the phone yesterday and that McAleenan swears up and down that he isn't a leaker...
It sounded like Dobbs was going to have that (recorded) interview later in the show, but it never came.... He never brought it up until he had on Matt Gaetz late in the show, Dobbs mentions to Gaetz that McAleenan denies being a leaker and Gaetz tells Dobbs that he believes him.....
So we don't know why Trump postponed these deportation efforts (that he originally billed as being "millions") for supposedly two weeks....
It certainly can't be because he believes that the Pelosi House is going to pass any legislation fixing the issues.
Also, we need to keep in mind that there are two separate bills being discussed at this point, and we shouldn't confuse the two:
1. The "humanitarian funding" supplement that is around $5 billion... Senate has passed a version, House has a version (not yet passed to my knowledge)...
2. The imaginary "fix the issues" bill that Trump is hoping gets passed in two weeks... which really isn't two weeks because of the 4th of July recess coming up...
And of course what seems to be lurking in the background (if you listen carefully) is the emergence of a dreaded "comprehensive immigration reform" bill.... could that emerge as some sort of sick combination of the above 2 bills?
Will it contain an amnesty for "N" millions?
If it does emerge in this murky atmosphere, I suspect that Trump will sign it, unfortunately....
:shrug:
IMHO as I stated before, McAleenan is simply someone convenient for Trump to blame. Trump is FAILING at the border and he knows it. I just wish his supporters would recognize it's way past time to start holding him accountable and that they need to start making some noise. Sitting idly by and praising his every backpedal isn't helpful.
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So, as it often happens, we are left without a clear picture of what is going on....
Also, we need to keep in mind that there are two separate bills being discussed at this point, and we shouldn't confuse the two:
1. The "humanitarian funding" supplement that is around $5 billion... Senate has passed a version, House has a version (not yet passed to my knowledge)...
2. The imaginary "fix the issues" bill that Trump is hoping gets passed in two weeks... which really isn't two weeks because of the 4th of July recess coming up...
And of course what seems to be lurking in the background (if you listen carefully) is the emergence of a dreaded "comprehensive immigration reform" bill.... could that emerge as some sort of sick combination of the above 2 bills?
Will it contain an amnesty for "N" millions?
@EdJames
It will if the Dims and their goombas,the Establishment RINO's have their way.
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IMHO as I stated before, McAleenan is simply someone convenient for Trump to blame. Trump is FAILING at the border and he knows it. I just wish his supporters would recognize it's way past time to start holding him accountable and that they need to start making some noise. Sitting idly by and praising his every backpedal isn't helpful.
I think that many of them do recognize it... but let's be real, there is no effective way of "holding him accountable..." at this point.... What I suspect we will see, that if he signs an amnesty bill, those vaunted rallies are going to be a lot more sparsely attended....
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@EdJames
It will if the Dims and their goombas,the Establishment RINO's have their way.
That's a given.... the question is, will Trump sign it?
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I think that many of them do recognize it... but let's be real, there is no effective way of "holding him accountable..." at this point.... What I suspect we will see, that if he signs an amnesty bill, those vaunted rallies are going to be a lot more sparsely attended....
IF DJT signs an Amensty Bill? Forget about the rallies. The 2020 POTUS election will look like McGovern's '72 run.
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IF DJT signs an Amensty Bill? Forget about the rallies. The 2020 POTUS election will look like McGovern's '72 run.
There's a purpose to the media continually asking President Trump, "If you lose the election, will you leave?"
Truthfully, I'm more than a little concerned with all this State Driver's License automatic voter registration, etc..
Add all this early voting bullshit and absentee ballot nonsense. I don't like what I see.
The Supreme Court has to rule that early voting in this day and tech age is too fraught with cheating.
Show up with your picture ID and vote. Stick your thumb in some purple dye, even. :laugh:
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That's a given.... the question is, will Trump sign it?
@EdJames
I think the most accurate response to that is "Nobody ever knows for sure what Trump is going to do."
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@EdJames
I think the most accurate response to that is "Nobody ever knows for sure what Trump is going to do."
That is true....
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@EdJames
I think the most accurate response to that is "Nobody ever knows for sure what Trump is going to do."
I predict he'll sign something lousy and declare victory. Past is Prologue.
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I predict he'll sign something lousy and declare victory. Past is Prologue.
I am going to give him every benefit of every doubt.
What I see so far is the Dems are drawn out ...exposed going into the 2020 campaign on issues Americans most care about.
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I am going to give him every benefit of every doubt.
What I see so far is the Dems are drawn out ...exposed going into the 2020 campaign on issues Americans most care about.
Well then, he had better understand his based or he's screwed. If he loses Cyber Liberty, he loses the country. :cool:
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So, as it often happens, we are left without a clear picture of what is going on....
If we go by Trump's Tweet, he postponed the raids to allow 2 weeks for the Congress to work on fixing the "loopholes" in immigration law...
Then we hear that 5 (un-named) sources all point to McAleenan as a leaker that caused Trump to have to postpone because the leaks compromised the operation...
Then last evening Lou Dobbs starts his show saying that he talked to McAleenan on the phone yesterday and that McAleenan swears up and down that he isn't a leaker...
It sounded like Dobbs was going to have that (recorded) interview later in the show, but it never came.... He never brought it up until he had on Matt Gaetz late in the show, Dobbs mentions to Gaetz that McAleenan denies being a leaker and Gaetz tells Dobbs that he believes him.....
So we don't know why Trump postponed these deportation efforts (that he originally billed as being "millions") for supposedly two weeks....
It certainly can't be because he believes that the Pelosi House is going to pass any legislation fixing the issues.
Also, we need to keep in mind that there are two separate bills being discussed at this point, and we shouldn't confuse the two:
1. The "humanitarian funding" supplement that is around $5 billion... Senate has passed a version, House has a version (not yet passed to my knowledge)...
2. The imaginary "fix the issues" bill that Trump is hoping gets passed in two weeks... which really isn't two weeks because of the 4th of July recess coming up...
And of course what seems to be lurking in the background (if you listen carefully) is the emergence of a dreaded "comprehensive immigration reform" bill.... could that emerge as some sort of sick combination of the above 2 bills?
Will it contain an amnesty for "N" millions?
If it does emerge in this murky atmosphere, I suspect that Trump will sign it, unfortunately....
:shrug:
Sequence of events. Fake news on Trumps twitter from Trump. Fake News about Mcaleenan. Fake News to cover for the fake news coming from Trump. And if someone leaked and it wasn't him it could have been Trumps liberal family members.