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Title: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: sinkspur on October 03, 2013, 06:35:30 pm
Shots heard outside US Capitol.  Per FOXNEWS
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: Relic on October 03, 2013, 06:47:02 pm
Is the NSA reading this reply?  :nono:
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: alicewonders on October 03, 2013, 06:50:26 pm
(http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj110/270WinMag/not_this_shit_again.jpg)
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: ArneFufkin on October 03, 2013, 06:55:00 pm
Sounds like it was a local thug leading a police chase that just happened to end up on the Capitol grounds.

At first I thought Jim McDermott finally snapped.
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: andy58-in-nh on October 03, 2013, 06:58:49 pm
Sounds like it was a local thug leading a police chase that just happened to end up on the Capitol grounds.

At first I thought Jim McDermott finally snapped.

Too late: Baghdad Jim snapped a long time ago.

Welcome to the forum! :beer:
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: mountaineer on October 03, 2013, 07:00:03 pm
Well, that's convenient.   :laugh:
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: alicewonders on October 03, 2013, 07:03:55 pm
Sounds like it was a local thug leading a police chase that just happened to end up on the Capitol grounds.

At first I thought Jim McDermott finally snapped.

You can believe the media will milk it for all it's worth.

Welcome to The Briefing Room - ArneFufkin! 

 0005a
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: mountaineer on October 03, 2013, 07:08:08 pm
It's great to see Arne here!

My congressman reports via Facebook:
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The "all clear" has been given on the House side by the United States Capitol Police after a shooting took place on the Senate side.
 3 minutes ago near Washington, DC ·
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: ABX on October 03, 2013, 07:43:37 pm
I just read the policeman who was shot was probably shot by another officer, the woman wasn't armed. Also, she didn't ram the Capitol fence but a barricade on 15th and Pennsylvania, a few blocks away close to Pershing Park.
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: flowers on October 03, 2013, 07:49:43 pm
BREAKING NEWS: Terror in DC after woman tried to ram White House barricade before fleeing to the Capitol and opening fire

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2442703/Woman-tried-ram-gates-White-House-opening-fire.html

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Capitol Hill was placed in lockdown after reports of six or seven gunshots fired in downtown DC on Thursday
A child was in the black car with the female suspect who was 'shot dead'
No link to terrorism and believed to be an isolated incident, police said

Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: musiclady on October 03, 2013, 07:53:57 pm
Just heard that the officer was NOT shot.
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: ABX on October 03, 2013, 08:01:06 pm
Just heard that the officer was NOT shot.

Reading that now too from the wire. Possibly hurt by the car or barricade.
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2013, 08:06:46 pm
Politico



    Obama briefed on D.C. security incident
    By JENNIFER EPSTEIN |
    10/3/13 3:11 PM EDT

    President Obama has been briefed on the Thursday afternoon security incident on Capitol Hill, a White House official said.

    "White House staff are in touch with law enforcement and monitoring the incident," the official said, referring other questions to the Secret Service.

    Secret Service personnel at the White House confirmed that a vehicle slammed into a gate on the south side of the White House complex before speeding off towards the Capitol.

    “A vehicle struck a bollard at 15th and Pennsylvania,” near a checkpoint that allows access to the south side of White House complex, a law enforcement source told POLITICO. “It continued driving down Pennsylvania Avenue towards the Captiol.”

    The cautioned against saying the vehicle rammed the White House checkpoint, saying the auto collided with something there and drove off.

    Carrie Budoff Brown and Josh Gerstein contributed to this report.
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: musiclady on October 03, 2013, 08:10:13 pm
Reading that now too from the wire. Possibly hurt by the car or barricade.

Yes.  At the short presser, they said he was "hit," so I don't know if it was by the car, or something else.
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: flowers on October 03, 2013, 08:14:24 pm
Shots fired near Capitol after car chase starting at White House

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/03/us-capitol-in-lockdown-reports-shots-fired/

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Shots were fired outside the U.S. Capitol after a car chase that started when a woman tried to ram a security barrier near the White House, putting the Hill temporarily on lockdown in a chaotic scene Thursday afternoon.

According to U.S. Capitol Police, one officer was injured in a related car crash. One person could be seen being carried off in a stretcher -- it's not clear if that was the officer.

Officials say the incident was not related to terrorism, and the suspect is in custody.

Terrance Gainer, the Senate sergeant at arms, told Fox News that this appears to be an "isolated incident." Gainer also said the officer injured crashed a police cruiser while trying to join the chase. The cruiser "seriously clipped" a barricade, he said, but the injuries are "not life threatening."

The chase and stand-off caused panic on Capitol Hill, with sirens blaring inside the building and lawmakers and their staff being ordered to stay in place. The lockdown has since been lifted, and those inside the Capitol are no longer being ordered to "shelter in place."

Sources told Fox News the incident began with a car chase, which started when a woman tried to ram a gate near the White House.

Several police cars pursued her to a location near the Capitol building.

When they boxed her in, sources said, the driver got out and five or six shots were fired. Witnesses saw a baby being taken from the car.

Eyewitnesses described a chaotic scene.

"We were definitely caught off guard, we were scared," said Matt Knuppeo, who said he was touring the Capitol building when the stand-off unfolded. "It was mass panic for a while."

"We just heard the gun shots -- pow pow pow pow," witness Emily Wheeler told Fox News.

The developments come as lawmakers were debating a series of small spending bills, amid the ongoing partial government shutdown.

The violence follows the mass shooting last month at the Washington Navy Yard.
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: flowers on October 03, 2013, 08:15:31 pm
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When they boxed her in, sources said, the driver got out and five or six shots were fired. Witnesses saw a baby being taken from the car.

five or six shots fired....? Did she even have a gun?
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: truth_seeker on October 03, 2013, 08:16:30 pm
Upon hearing of the incident, Obama asked: ...."have they all signed up for Obamacara?" If not, get them to sign up first."
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: mystery-ak on October 03, 2013, 08:18:16 pm
Manu Raju ‏@mkraju 1m

Reid says that the Senate will be adjourned until 10:30am tomorrow, meaning #shutdown day three ends with no progress.
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: raml on October 03, 2013, 08:41:37 pm
The woman had a baby with her I really doubt she had any sinister motives and I think the reaction to her was way beyond what was called for unless she got out of her car and was shooting at someone which it doesn't sound like. All the news said she got out of her car not that she did anything. What is it with policeman these days they now shoot first and make up a story afterwards that warrants it.
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: famousdayandyear on October 03, 2013, 08:50:37 pm
The woman had a baby with her I really doubt she had any sinister motives and I think the reaction to her was way beyond what was called for unless she got out of her car and was shooting at someone which it doesn't sound like. All the news said she got out of her car not that she did anything. What is it with policeman these days they now shoot first and make up a story afterwards that warrants it.

LE does not know this.  Good grief.  The actions provoked an appropriate protective response.  Have you heard of suicide bombers?  Women and children?  If not, get informed about the real world around you.
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: massadvj on October 03, 2013, 08:53:26 pm
Manu Raju ‏@mkraju 1m

Reid says that the Senate will be adjourned until 10:30am tomorrow, meaning #shutdown day three ends with no progress.

Some of us think another day of no nonessential government services IS progress.
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: DCPatriot on October 03, 2013, 09:06:02 pm
It is simply amazing how all the early posts are completely wrong and incorrect.

Geesh......and this at a time when everybody that can fog a mirror has a video camera on them and the area that it went down is literally blanketed with cameras.

Amazing..... :thud:
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: flowers on October 03, 2013, 09:07:31 pm
Anyone know were the family dog is?
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: EC on October 03, 2013, 09:08:51 pm
Anyone know were the family dog is?

Guest of honor for lunch at the WH.
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: DCPatriot on October 03, 2013, 09:09:47 pm
Former Secret Service officer Dan Bongino...who unsuccessfully ran for the Maryland Senate as a Republican was just on WMAL 630AM and he said that it is too common for drivers to get turned around at that 15th Street NW location....and there is no turnaround.

Sadly, it could have been just a breaking point in her frustration in dealing with Washington, DC traffic.
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: flowers on October 03, 2013, 09:35:14 pm
Guest of honor for lunch at the WH.
:laugh:
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: GourmetDan on October 03, 2013, 09:44:24 pm

'Mass Panic': Car chase from White House to Capitol ends in gunfire, suspect dead (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/03/us-capitol-in-lockdown-reports-shots-fired/)

"Rep. Michael McCaul, R-Texas, chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, also told Fox News that the woman originally tried to run down a Secret Service agent near the White House. The agent then fired on her and the chase began."

Looks to me like the SS agent over-reacted and fired at the woman.

After that, she was just trying to get away without getting killed.

Didn't work...


Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: DCPatriot on October 03, 2013, 09:45:58 pm
This is bullsh*t.   As usual.

I'm speaking of the delay in providing the woman's name, and where's she from and what she's about.

It was a leased automobile...as discovered when they ran the plate.  (Maybe she freaked out that her Obamacare monthly premium was exactly what her Lexus payment was)

...but I joke.

They are right now busy scrubbing this woman's facebook and twitter accounts.....same as they did with the Navy Yard Killer.

Can't have the truth out there if it hurts your agenda.
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: DCPatriot on October 03, 2013, 09:49:01 pm
The injured officer had to be extricated from his cruiser with the 'jaws of life'.  The vehicle was quite mangled.

It flipped after it got caught by the automatic high speed iron barriers that shoot out of the pavement....triggered off site no doubt.
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: GourmetDan on October 03, 2013, 09:50:51 pm

The lady didn't even have a gun.

The shots being fired were all fired by gov't employees.

Killed for being scared?

Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: famousdayandyear on October 03, 2013, 10:05:39 pm
The lady didn't even have a gun.

The shots being fired were all fired by gov't employees.

Killed for being scared?



How would they know if the perp was CCW or not?  Or wearing C4?  Please get real.
Hindsight based on sketchy info is shaky ground for accusations such as this.
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: ABX on October 03, 2013, 10:06:32 pm
It seems the whole thing was caught on camera. Photos are starting to come out.

(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/13870_10151665668681500_1079344818_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: ABX on October 03, 2013, 10:07:48 pm
Here is a video. It doesn't appear by her driving she was scared. She was ramming cops.
http://www.ksla.com/story/23602633/woman-killed-in-shooting-incident-outside-capitol?clienttype=generic&mobilecgbypass&utm_content=buffer416b7&utm_source=buffer&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=Buffer
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: ABX on October 03, 2013, 10:09:49 pm
(http://images.wjla.com/communities/capitolshooting-suspectcar-ap_296.jpg)
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: GourmetDan on October 03, 2013, 10:12:31 pm
How would they know if the perp was CCW or not?  Or wearing C4?  Please get real.
Hindsight based on sketchy info is shaky ground for accusations such as this.

The agent shot first and then the chase was on.

You guys are getting as paranoid as the cops.

Everybody's a terrorist first, then dead, then an oopsie...

Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: GourmetDan on October 03, 2013, 10:12:42 pm
Here is a video. It doesn't appear by her driving she was scared. She was ramming cops.

That video didn't show any ramming.

Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on October 03, 2013, 10:14:11 pm
The lady didn't even have a gun.

The shots being fired were all fired by gov't employees.

Killed for being scared?

This is outrageous.  Why didn't anyone shoot out the tires instead of the woman?
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: GourmetDan on October 03, 2013, 10:14:46 pm
(http://images.wjla.com/communities/capitolshooting-suspectcar-ap_296.jpg)

I don't see any 'ramming' damage on that car?

The headlights aren't busted and there's no evidence of a SS agent having been on the hood...

Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: DCPatriot on October 03, 2013, 10:16:17 pm
They're going to find out she was merely a freaked out tourist who made a wrong turn.

This is going to be interesting......
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: famousdayandyear on October 03, 2013, 10:19:07 pm
This is outrageous.  Why didn't anyone shoot out the tires instead of the woman?

There are protocols in place, especially in the seat of the US Government, to eliminate threats.  If they worry you, then ask what your reaction is to the Navy Yard killings.  If you present a threat in/around the WH, you will be taken down.  Period.
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on October 03, 2013, 10:23:44 pm
There are protocols in place, especially in the seat of the US Government, to eliminate threats.  If they worry you, then ask what your reaction is to the Navy Yard killings.  If you present a threat in/around the WH, you will be taken down.  Period.

The cops were mighty defensive during their "presser".  Why didn't they disable the car, get the woman out on the ground and protect the child instead of shooting out the car windows without knowing who they were shooting at.

This is out of control.
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: DCPatriot on October 03, 2013, 10:29:31 pm
The cops were mighty defensive during their "presser".  Why didn't they disable the car, get the woman out on the ground and protect the child instead of shooting out the car windows without knowing who they were shooting at.

This is out of control.

I agree with you.

The fact that she was a black mother with her child in a car seat....all hell is going to go down.

No freaking wonder they don't want to be forthwith.
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: aligncare on October 03, 2013, 10:32:08 pm
Sounds like things may have just spiraled out of control. Or, it could've been a justified takedown. No one has enough information yet to sort it out. I suggest we take a measured tone here.
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: EC on October 03, 2013, 10:33:25 pm
There are protocols in place, especially in the seat of the US Government, to eliminate threats.  If they worry you, then ask what your reaction is to the Navy Yard killings.  If you present a threat in/around the WH, you will be taken down.  Period.

Sorry, what? First I have heard of this.


Edit, Never mind - googling it.
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: aligncare on October 03, 2013, 10:40:27 pm
EC! You're back! Good to see your perspective on board again. Gone a few weeks and the whole world changes in a blink, don't it?
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: R4 TrumPence on October 03, 2013, 10:42:56 pm
As I told Myst earlier.. She is Obama's baby Mama and she was pissed :silly: :silly:
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: mountaineer on October 03, 2013, 10:45:46 pm
They're going to find out she was merely a freaked out tourist who made a wrong turn.
Wouldn't it be something if that were the case!
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: EC on October 03, 2013, 10:47:42 pm
EC! You're back! Good to see your perspective on board again. Gone a few weeks and the whole world changes in a blink, don't it?

Too right! After 4 weeks of basically just Syrian radio propaganda, I am WAY behind on the rest of the world!
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: musiclady on October 03, 2013, 10:52:35 pm
Sounds like things may have just spiraled out of control. Or, it could've been a justified takedown. No one has enough information yet to sort it out. I suggest we take a measured tone here.

Ditto.

Facts are our friends.
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: mountaineer on October 03, 2013, 10:58:20 pm
'Mass Panic': Car chase from White House to Capitol ends in gunfire, suspect dead
Published October 03, 2013•
FOX News


A chaotic car chase that began when a woman tried to ram a security barrier near the White House ended with shots being fired near the U.S. Capitol, putting the Hill temporarily on lockdown and causing what one witness described as "mass panic."

Police confirmed late Thursday that the suspect was killed, after being struck by officers' gunfire.

D.C. Police Chief Cathy Lanier said officers acted "heroically." She said two officers were injured -- one from the U.S. Capitol Police, the other from Secret Service -- but "both will be okay."

Rep. Michael McCaul, R-Texas, chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, also told Fox News that the woman originally tried to run down a Secret Service agent near the White House. The agent then fired on her and the chase began.

According to U.S. Capitol Police, its officer was injured in a related car crash.

The chase and subsequent stand-off near the Capitol went down as lawmakers were debating under the dome about the partial government shutdown. Officials said it appears the incident had "no nexus to terrorism."

Terrance Gainer, the Senate sergeant at arms, told Fox News that this appears to be an "isolated incident." Gainer also said the injured Capitol Police officer crashed a police cruiser while trying to join the chase. The cruiser "seriously clipped" a barricade, he said, but the injuries are "not life threatening."

The chase and stand-off caused panic on Capitol Hill, with sirens blaring inside the building and lawmakers and their staff being ordered to stay in place. The lockdown was later lifted. Returning to the floor late Thursday afternoon, lawmakers thanked Capitol Police and other security officers and gave them a standing ovation.

Sources said the incident began with a car chase, which started when the suspect, driving a black sedan with Connecticut plates, tried to ram a barrier near the White House.

Several police cars pursued her to a location near the Capitol building. When they boxed her in, sources said, the driver got out and five or six shots were fired.

Officers confirmed that a 1-year-old baby was taken from the car and is now in good condition.

David Loewenberg, who witnessed the incident, said he saw an officer "hugging a child and taking that child away."

Eyewitnesses described a chaotic scene.

"We were definitely caught off guard, we were scared," said Matt Knuppeo, who said he was touring the Capitol building when the stand-off unfolded. "It was mass panic for a while."

"We just heard the gun shots -- pow pow pow pow," witness Emily Wheeler told Fox News.

The developments come as lawmakers were debating a series of small spending bills, amid the ongoing partial government shutdown.

The violence follows the mass shooting last month at the Washington Navy Yard, where a gunman killed 12 people. The gunman also died.
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: mountaineer on October 03, 2013, 11:26:06 pm
She was a dental hygienist from Connecticut who allegedly had mental health issues, according to the New York Post (http://nypost.com/2013/10/03/capitol-shooter-was-conn-based-dental-hygienist/). Officers are searching her CT home now.
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: sinkspur on October 03, 2013, 11:28:08 pm
The woman was 34 years old and had mental health issues.  Another loon engaged in loony behavior.
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: ABX on October 04, 2013, 12:03:29 am
That video didn't show any ramming.

The very first 30 seconds when they were trying to get out of her car. Backed into several and almost hit a few more. She hit the car behind her too.
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: NavyCanDo on October 04, 2013, 12:09:58 am
The very first 30 seconds when they were trying to get out of her car. Backed into several and almost hit a few more. She hit the car behind her too.

Saw the video of her backing up into the police car, but how did the heavily smashed capital police car come into play?   It had to have been broadsided by another car during the chase or on its way to the scene.
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: Atomic Cow on October 04, 2013, 12:11:56 am
Saw the video of her backing up into the police car, but how did the heavily smashed capital police car come into play?   It had to have been broadsided by another car during the chase or on its way to the scene.

I think it smashed into on of the vehicle barriers that are used around D.C. to keep vehicles a certain distance from buildings to prevent car bombs.
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: ABX on October 04, 2013, 12:15:23 am
This is outrageous.  Why didn't anyone shoot out the tires instead of the woman?

In an unknown situation like this, where you are facing a 2000 bullet in a dangerous situation and you don't know the driver's intentions, you take out the threat. Especially that close to the Capitol and White House. Someone ramming barricades could have been a Jihadist suicide bomber for all they knew. Shooting out tires is more Hollywood than real life.
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: ABX on October 04, 2013, 12:19:28 am
Saw the video of her backing up into the police car, but how did the heavily smashed capital police car come into play?   It had to have been broadsided by another car during the chase or on its way to the scene.

Enough that one officer was injured bad enough to go to the hospital.
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: famousdayandyear on October 04, 2013, 12:20:06 am
I watched the video.  LE had car stopped, eyes on, and guns drawn, appearing to use every precaution to take the perp safely into custody in a carefully prescribed manner.  Then the car took off, nearly running over LE surrounding the right front and driving recklessly from the scene.  Clearly, the suspect, who had driven with a child from CT (I presume), was not intimidated by the LE community, DC traffic, or DC traffic laws.  And presented herself as an imminent threat to the district.  I cannot see how anyone could cast doubt on the actions of LE in this case.
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: mystery-ak on October 04, 2013, 12:31:13 am
(http://i2.wp.com/thelibertarianrepublic.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/miriam_carey.jpg?resize=360%2C220)
34-year-old Stamford woman Miriam Carey




http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/woman-killed-near-u-s-capitol-identified-pictures-video/#axzz2ghOpAHDd (http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/woman-killed-near-u-s-capitol-identified-pictures-video/#axzz2ghOpAHDd)
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: NavyCanDo on October 04, 2013, 12:35:32 am
The shooting was totally justified. They gave her more than enough chances to surrender, showing more patience than they needed. But at the moment she backed that car up and hit a police car and attempted to race through the police cornering her,  she is now using her car as a deadly weapon. 
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: ABX on October 04, 2013, 12:48:17 am
Here is an image from the aftermath. You can see a lot more damage on the car than the other image including on the front bumper, behind the front, left tire, and it appears to be some bad damage on the back as well as you can see the back bumper bent out.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/10/03/article-0-1880DCC200000578-816_634x424.jpg)
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: NavyCanDo on October 04, 2013, 12:48:38 am
This is outrageous.  Why didn't anyone shoot out the tires instead of the woman?

I couldn't count how many police chases I've seen on the news and on shows like Cops where the perps car had blown tires. It may slow down how fast the car can safely go, but it does not stop the threat.   This women chose her circumstances, not the police. As soon as she backed her car into the police car (see the video), she sealed her fait.
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: ABX on October 04, 2013, 12:51:02 am
(http://www.blitzquotidiano.it/wp/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/sparatoria-capitol-hill-31-300x300.jpg)


This is supposedly one of the patrol cars she hit.
(http://cdn.ph.upi.com/sv/upi/UPI-72691380825946/2013/1/737d4d2f0ca0ca1ba9ebdcea925593a7/Capitol-Hill-suspect-shot-dead-identified-as-Miriam-Carey-of-Conn.jpg)
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on October 04, 2013, 01:21:31 am
(http://www.blitzquotidiano.it/wp/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/sparatoria-capitol-hill-31-300x300.jpg)


This is supposedly one of the patrol cars she hit.
(http://cdn.ph.upi.com/sv/upi/UPI-72691380825946/2013/1/737d4d2f0ca0ca1ba9ebdcea925593a7/Capitol-Hill-suspect-shot-dead-identified-as-Miriam-Carey-of-Conn.jpg)

If reports are to be believed, this patrol car hit a barrier and flipped.   :shrug:
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: ABX on October 04, 2013, 01:28:24 am
If reports are to be believed, this patrol car hit a barrier and flipped.   :shrug:

Possibly both are true. She could have hit him, pushing him into the barrier where his car flipped.
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on October 04, 2013, 01:41:49 am
I couldn't count how many police chases I've seen on the news and on shows like Cops where the perps car had blown tires. It may slow down how fast the car can safely go, but it does not stop the threat.   This women chose her circumstances, not the police. As soon as she backed her car into the police car (see the video), she sealed her fait.

I guess I just don't understand how it is that six cops with guns drawn surrounded her stopped car and cop cars had boxed her in and yet not one able-bodied cop could figure out how to open the door and get her on the ground.  Instead they shot an unarmed citizen at point blank range through the brain and neck. 

I just don't understand how this behavior receives two standing ovations from Congress.

Just don't get it.

Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: Cincinnatus on October 04, 2013, 01:46:10 am
If this story is factual there is a great deal more to this event than meets the eye.

Quote
DC attacker was a single mom with ‘every reason to live’

Quote
Friends and former Brooklyn neighbors recalled Miriam Carey as a hardworking single mother who had every reason to live.

“She had everything going for her,” said Yolanda Napoleon, 40. “A beautiful baby, a man helping her with her baby, a job making 100k per year. Her child was her everything.”

Carey, 34, was a dental hygienist who was licensed in both New York and Connecticut. She lived in Brooklyn as recently as 2005 and had a condo in Stamford, Conn.

Friends, who grew up with her and her four sisters on Stanley Avenue in Brooklyn, were mystified about how Carey’s life came to end in a fiery confrontation with several police and Secret Service agents in the shadow of the US Capitol on Thursday. They said Carey had never been in trouble before and had been working at her current job for five years

Tazzy Wright, another friend and former neighbor of Carey’s, said they had just gone on a vacation together.

“We all just went on a cruise together to the Bahamas. Her job took her. That’s how good a worker she was,” Wright, 30, said. “She seemed perfectly fine. There was nothing wrong with Miriam.”

“We used to go to school together. I’ve known her her whole life,” said another friend, Donald Knowles, 33. He said he had seen Carey on Wednesday in the Stanley Avenue apartment she grew up in. “She’s a sweetheart,” he said.

But one neighbor said, “It was clear there was mental health issues in the family.”

Napoleon said she was best friends with Carey’s older sister Amy. She suspected that the fatal confrontation in Washington was some sort of tragic misunderstanding.

“They are going to find there was nothing in the car. Maybe this is a freak accident. Maybe her brakes went out,” she said.

http://nypost.com/2013/10/03/dc-attacker-a-single-mom-with-every-reason-to-live/
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: famousdayandyear on October 04, 2013, 01:49:25 am
Odd that.  Her reverse worked just fine; and throttle.
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: mystery-ak on October 04, 2013, 01:49:47 am
I guess I just don't understand how it is that six cops with guns drawn surrounded her stopped car and cop cars had boxed her in and yet not one able-bodied cop could figure out how to open the door and get her on the ground.  Instead they shot an unarmed citizen at point blank range through the brain and neck. 

I just don't understand how this behavior receives two standing ovations from Congress.

Just don't get it.

I have the same questions Right....but they just didn't know if she was armed and coming so close after the Navy Yard shootings they weren't taking any chances...jmho
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: ABX on October 04, 2013, 01:49:51 am
If this story is factual there is a great deal more to this event than meets the eye.

http://nypost.com/2013/10/03/dc-attacker-a-single-mom-with-every-reason-to-live/

Or face value is true, she was reported to have mental problems. Maybe something blood sugar related or manic depression (possibly medicated w/ bad side-effects).
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: Fishrrman on October 04, 2013, 01:53:06 am
[[ How would they know if the perp was CCW or not?  Or wearing C4?  Please get real.
Hindsight based on sketchy info is shaky ground for accusations such as this. ]]

So, what you're saying can essentially be translated to:

... Make any kind of wrong move in D.C., even an accidental one, and you'll be shot first and investigated afterwards.

Freedom's great, ain't it?
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: Bigun on October 04, 2013, 02:03:30 am
I guess I just don't understand how it is that six cops with guns drawn surrounded her stopped car and cop cars had boxed her in and yet not one able-bodied cop could figure out how to open the door and get her on the ground.  Instead they shot an unarmed citizen at point blank range through the brain and neck. 

I just don't understand how this behavior receives two standing ovations from Congress.

Just don't get it.

Can't wait to hear what Bro's Jesse and Sharpton have to say about this!
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: famousdayandyear on October 04, 2013, 02:09:46 am
[[ How would they know if the perp was CCW or not?  Or wearing C4?  Please get real.
Hindsight based on sketchy info is shaky ground for accusations such as this. ]]

So, what you're saying can essentially be translated to:

... Make any kind of wrong move in D.C., even an accidental one, and you'll be shot first and investigated afterwards.

Freedom's great, ain't it?

What I am saying is a suspect attempts an overt threat against the White House--battering a barrier ostensibly put there to protect the occupant who happens to reside at the seat of government of the free world.  LE attempts to stop the perpetrator, with eyes on, guns drawn to safely secure the scene and take the perp into custody without detailed knowledge of contents of car or perp's person.

Perp then suddenly reverses and then takes off in an overtly aggressive more (visible on video) and drives in a reckless manner from original scene.  LE has no knowledge of motive or capability and must pursue a protocol taking account a worse case scenario (which may be suicide bomb-SEMTEX, etc; concealed weapon (s) etc; using child as cover, etc.). 

LE took every measure to prevent the possible deaths of many innocent people. 

Don't know exactly what you're driving at.  This is the real world, man.
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: ABX on October 04, 2013, 02:10:36 am
What I am saying is a suspect attempts an overt threat against the White House--battering a barrier ostensibly put there to protect the occupant who happens to reside at the seat of government of the free world.  LE attempts to stop the perpetrator, with eyes on, guns drawn to safely secure the scene and take the perp into custody without detailed knowledge of contents of car or perp's person.

Perp then suddenly reverses and then takes off in an overtly aggressive more (visible on video) and drives in a reckless manner from original scene.  LE has no knowledge of motive or capability and must pursue a protocol taking account a worse case scenario (which may be suicide bomb-SEMTEX, etc; concealed weapon (s) etc; using child as cover, etc.). 

LE took every measure to prevent the possible deaths of many innocent people. 

Don't know exactly what you're driving at.  This is the real world, man.

Ditto to all that.
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: evadR on October 04, 2013, 03:49:18 am
Can't wait to hear what Bro's Jesse and Sharpton have to say about this!
My God yes...another bro-ma-thon.
This tragedy is going to turn into another 3 ring circus...and whitey will somehow be blamed.
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: NavyCanDo on October 04, 2013, 04:51:16 am
I can't believe some of what I've been reading here on this post. Some pretty much summed it up this way, "the police shot and killed her for getting lost."   

We jump all over the media for jumping to conclusions making the story fit the narrative they want, instead of waiting till all the facts are known. But yet that is what I see happening here,  - because they are police, [worse - Washington D.C. police] that they must have murdered the innocent women caught going the wrong way.  Never giving the police the benefit of the doubt, and allowing the process to work itself out as they investigate the actions and decisions made by the officers involved.
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: Oceander on October 04, 2013, 05:08:37 am
Sounds like it was a local thug leading a police chase that just happened to end up on the Capitol grounds.

At first I thought Jim McDermott finally snapped.

That's not surprising in the least.  One of the worst sections of DC starts just the other side of the Capitol.  Go figure.
Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: GourmetDan on October 04, 2013, 01:09:36 pm
If reports are to be believed, this patrol car hit a barrier and flipped.   :shrug:

Those barriers are a bit different from the ones at the WWII memorial.

Those are solid steel walls and shoot up or flip up from underneath the street to block all traffic.


Title: Re: Shots fired outside US Capitol
Post by: GourmetDan on October 04, 2013, 01:11:11 pm
This tragedy is going to turn into another 3 ring circus...and whitey will somehow be blamed.

The Republicans will be blamed.

If they hadn't shut-down the gov't, this wouldn't have happened...