The Briefing Room
General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: SirLinksALot on July 27, 2016, 02:22:10 am
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SOURCE: RED STATE
URL: http://www.redstate.com/sweetie15/2016/07/26/trump-abandons-last-vestiges-conservatism-promises-considerable-hike-minimum-wage/ (http://www.redstate.com/sweetie15/2016/07/26/trump-abandons-last-vestiges-conservatism-promises-considerable-hike-minimum-wage/)
by: Susan Wright
This is your candidate, Republicans.
After a GOP convention filled with liberal, Socialist ideas, such as cradle-to-grave big government care, the end to the “culture wars,” which means a push back against religious freedoms, now the new face of the Republican party is taking another step left (see here: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-proposes-10-federal-minimum-wage/article/2597805 (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-proposes-10-federal-minimum-wage/article/2597805)).
Donald Trump said Tuesday night that the federal minimum wage must be raised, and promised to implement a $10 per hour wage if elected president.
"I would say $10," Trump told Fox News host Bill O'Reilly when asked about the specific figure he would recommend. "But with the understanding that somebody like me is going to bring back jobs. I don't want people to be in the $10 dollar category very long. I believe it should be raised."
Trump is laying down this proposal in response to Democrats, who have said he wanted to lower the minimum wage.
Not to be outdone by his liberal pals, Trump is pretty much blowing up everything conservatives and small government proponents have stood on.
The billionaire businessman said he would use the federal wage as a base and encourage states to implement their own minimum wage that is higher than the $10 figure. But he also said some states need higher wages while others do not.
"If you take New York, it's very expensive to live in New York," Trump said.
Republicans, you had one job…
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SOURCE: RED STATE
URL: http://www.redstate.com/sweetie15/2016/07/26/trump-abandons-last-vestiges-conservatism-promises-considerable-hike-minimum-wage/ (http://www.redstate.com/sweetie15/2016/07/26/trump-abandons-last-vestiges-conservatism-promises-considerable-hike-minimum-wage/)
by: Susan Wright
This is your candidate, Republicans.
After a GOP convention filled with liberal, Socialist ideas, such as cradle-to-grave big government care, the end to the “culture wars,” which means a push back against religious freedoms, now the new face of the Republican party is taking another step left (see here: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-proposes-10-federal-minimum-wage/article/2597805 (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-proposes-10-federal-minimum-wage/article/2597805)).
Trump is laying down this proposal in response to Democrats, who have said he wanted to lower the minimum wage.
Not to be outdone by his liberal pals, Trump is pretty much blowing up everything conservatives and small government proponents have stood on.
Republicans, you had one job…
The only thing that surprises me is the timing I thought he would wait until after the election to show his true leanings
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Trump's supporters simply will not care.
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Trump's supporters simply will not care.
He could adopt the Democrat platform as his own and they wouldn't care
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He could adopt the Democrat platform as his own and they wouldn't care
He's supported it for decades, both vocally and financially and they don't care.
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He could adopt the Democrat platform as his own and they wouldn't care
He's a buidnezz man an Trump gonna build us a wall mmm hmmm
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He's a buidnezz man an Trump gonna build us a wall mmm hmmm
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That's about the way it is.
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Trump's supporters simply will not care.
Sad, but true. And even worse, they will continue to lie by saying that Trump is a Conservative.
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Sad, but true. And even worse, they will continue to lie by saying that Trump is a Conservative.
Trump is no conservative.
I am unaware of any conservative who has given 6-digit figures to the corrupt Clinton Foundation. Trump has. In fact, Trump has given heavily to far left democrat politicians like Charles Schumer, Harry Reid, Anthony Wiener, Hillary Clinton, Democratic National Committee chairman Terry McAuliffe, Rahm Emmanuel, Charlie Rangel, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Tom Daschle and Joe Biden. Sure, he has given to Republicans also, but the majority of his generosity has gone to democrats, and the most vile among them.
I am unaware of any conservative who wants to ban "assault weapons". There is no such thing you know. "Assault weapon" is a term created by anti-gun liberals so they could ban guns based on cosmetic appearances...and Trump, being the liberal that he is, fell for it.
I am unaware of any conservative who has said they want to extend the waiting periods to purchase firearms. Trump has.
I am unaware of any conservative who has praised as "Brilliant" gun-grabbing leftist and former New York mayor Michael Bloomberg for "Putting His Money Where His Mouth Is" on guns. Conservatives don't want to take guns, they respect the Second Amendment. Trump said he was for it. Conservative? I think not.
I am unaware of any conservative saying "the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans". Trump said just that.
I am unaware of any conservative who has said “Bush was probably the worst president in the history of the United States.” Trump said just that.
I am unaware of any conservative saying “I’m very liberal when it comes to health care. I believe in universal health care.” Trump said just that.
I am unaware of any conservative who has supported nearly every facet of Obama’s disastrous economic agenda. Trump did just that.
Conservative Supreme Court Justices William Rehnquist, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas dissented on the 2005 Kelo Decision, which was the taking of a private individual's property, not for "public use" as is normally the case with eminent domain, but to give it to private industry as was done with Kelo (it was taken and given to Pfizer Pharmaceuticals). Being the crony capitalist he is, Trump said he was "100% for it".
From the bank bailouts to the auto bailouts, Trump has supported every facet of Obama’s economic plan. His contributions to Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi helped get them reelected so they could then foist Obamacare on the nation. He claims he wants to “Make America Great Again” while in reality, he has supported every liberal who worked to destroy it.
Trump is a liberal as are his supporters.
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I'm sure the sTRUMPettes will argue that this $10 dollar figure is just a ploy and that after he uses his stellar negotiating skills this will be knocked down to $9.75.
THAT"S A 25 CENT AND HOUR SAVINGS!!!!!!!!!!
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I'm sure the sTRUMPettes will argue that this $10 dollar figure is just a ploy and that after he uses his stellar negotiating skills this will be knocked down to $9.75.
THAT"S A 25 CENT AND HOUR SAVINGS!!!!!!!!!!
@Frank Cannon
Trump is playing three-dimensional chess here! And....something about Sun Tzu, or....yeah...
BTW, no Trump supporters have showed up yet? :pondering:
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I'm sure the sTRUMPettes will argue that this $10 dollar figure is just a ploy and that after he uses his stellar negotiating skills this will be knocked down to $9.75.
THAT"S A 25 CENT AND HOUR SAVINGS!!!!!!!!!!
The art of the bad deal....
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@Frank Cannon
Trump is playing three-dimensional chess here! And....something about Sun Tzu, or....yeah...
BTW, no Trump supporters have showed up yet? :pondering:
Or he was a registered Democrat 7 short years ago and it shows...
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He could adopt the Democrat platform as his own and they wouldn't care
The Republican Party already has per last week.
Like clapping seals over homosexual marriage and bigger, more intrusive and punitive government.
And the booing of the Constitution because the man who uttered the words 'to vote for those who will uphold the Constitution' had the audacity to say 'vote your conscience' first.
Trump = Hillary's Trojan Stalking Horse
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@Frank Cannon
Trump is playing three-dimensional chess here! And....something about Sun Tzu, or....yeah...
BTW, no Trump supporters have showed up yet? :pondering:
Sun Tzu is Chinese... China's bad, m'kay.
Derp.
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He's only courting Bernie supporters and after the election he'll renege.
MMMmmmm MMMmmmm MMMmmmm Donald J Trump
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He's only courting Bernie supporters and after the election he'll renege.
MMMmmmm MMMmmmm MMMmmmm Donald J Trump
After the election he'll have had his @ss handed to him.
Bern-ers are the Free Sh_t Army. They're the ones de Tocqueville warned about, voting themselves largess out of the public coffers. And when they can get a REAL radical who MEANS it, as opposed to someone who just wants applause for saying the right things...who they gonna vote for?
They hate Billary but it's not about popularity. Billary equals MOAR FREE.
Trump, being stupid, ADHD and having neurological and psychiatric issues, doesn't get that. He really thinks all the world is as simple as his bagman duties with Tammany politicians. So...he's not getting it; not getting that he's not getting it; and not seeing the coming beating.
I could care less at this point. To keep on using my ship analogy...what we heard last week, when Rinse Pubis was doing his thing shouting down the delegates who wanted a delegate roll-call on rules changes...what we heard there was the Titanic sliding over the iceberg, with the bottom of the engine room dropping off.
America is taking on the toxic waters of Marxism; and will soon founder.
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Nooo....that is so yesterday. I heard him say he loves China, but they are a bunch of cheats.
Did he say that using pigeon English and doing the slanty eye thing with his fingers and eyes?
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So increasing the cost of labor will create jobs how?
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So increasing the cost of labor will create jobs how?
Why, they'll all rush out and BUY stuff! Which will mean there'll be MOAR JOBS!
That's what Henry Ford did. Gee, when I was a kid, we were taught that the $3-a-day wage, and then the $5/day wage, was to stabilize the workforce and stop high turnover. NO...HENRY FORD WAS A SOCIALIST; and he knew that if he paid them that money, everyone would be able to buy new Fords.
These are people who probably try to get free electricity by plugging extension cord ends together.
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Friends,
The next four or eight years are going to be the toughest years for those of us who call ourselves conservative. There is going to be a lot of work and fighting and successes and setbacks. You have the Progressives in the GOP. You have the Chavez socialists in the Democrat Party. We're going to be forced to fight harder than we ever have
But it's a fight worth having. And if the Progressive Nationalists/Populists decide the GOP is the vessel for their new "Nationalists Revolution," then it's truly time for conservatives to part ways with the GOP.
The party of Goldwater, Coolidge, Reagan, is dead. It was Barry Goldwater's book that turned me to conservatism and the GOP. In 1980, I was an 18 year old in a local group working to get Reagan elected. Today, they couldn't pay me to do it
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Trump is playing three-dimensional chess here! And....something about Sun Tzu, or....yeah...
BTW, no Trump supporters have showed up yet? :pondering:
If they do show up,their response will be along the lines, " you have to vote Trump or Hillary will get in."
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I agree. Where are you going to go? Constitution Party?
Who knows.
I've said that for now, I'm a never Trumper but it'll be up to Trump to soften my position and so far, he's failing.
Minimum wage hike? Why doesn't he go back the the party he once said he identified more as?
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Who knows.
I've said that for now, I'm a never Trumper but it'll be up to Trump to soften my position and so far, he's failing.
Minimum wage hike? Why doesn't he go back the the party he once said he identified more as?
When there is nothing to choose between, there is no reason to choose.
Is there.
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Trump is no conservative.
Trump also supported "Stimulus" but thought it should have been much bigger. We all know it was a huge waste of money and cvreated a lot of slush funds. He said Obama had "saved the economy" and "I'd hire him."
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So he's promised to put people back to work , he promised to help the middle class and poor, and then he embraces a minimum wage increase that will result in workers having their hours cut and jobs eliminated. A wage increase that will result in raising prices on goods and services, exactly how does that help the middle class and poor? And what about seniors living on fixed SS payments, how are they helped when prices rise? Brilliant strategy, there Trump, you're a real outsider, embracing an insider practice that will benefit for the most part only two groups, tax collectors and union members who have their wages automatically increased with a minimum wage increase, everyone else is either marginally benefited at best or much more likely,negatively impacted by resultant price increases. :huh?:
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tariffs and trade wars will be awesome for the second largest exporter on Earth, if you are insane you might believe it.
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Friends,
The next four or eight years are going to be the toughest years for those of us who call ourselves conservative. There is going to be a lot of work and fighting and successes and setbacks. You have the Progressives in the GOP. You have the Chavez socialists in the Democrat Party. We're going to be forced to fight harder than we ever have
But it's a fight worth having. And if the Progressive Nationalists/Populists decide the GOP is the vessel for their new "Nationalists Revolution," then it's truly time for conservatives to part ways with the GOP.
A little leavening, leavens the whole lump, so if we do not want our principles poisoned, then Conservatives must break free of an apostate party.
The scary thing to consider is the fact that there is no fixing tyranny via civil means, whether promoted by Communist/Progressives or Nationalist Socialist Populists. We have arrived at a point where those who love liberty and the principles that founded us can no longer co-exist with a majority of the population.
They will impose their will by force under the color of law - however they decree it.
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"Come on, admit you're one of us, numbskull!"
"Why I oughta...! "
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Why, they'll all rush out and BUY stuff! Which will mean there'll be MOAR JOBS!
That's what Henry Ford did. Gee, when I was a kid, we were taught that the $3-a-day wage, and then the $5/day wage, was to stabilize the workforce and stop high turnover. NO...HENRY FORD WAS A SOCIALIST; and he knew that if he paid them that money, everyone would be able to buy new Fords.
These are people who probably try to get free electricity by plugging extension cord ends together.
Excellent! If they really wanted to get the economy rolling, they would raise the minimum wage to $100/hr!
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So increasing the cost of labor will create jobs how?
The same way 45% tariffs do DUH!
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What leftward shift will we see today?
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What leftward shift will we see today?
Almost 40 post in, and not one TBR Trump defender wants to comment. Shocked I tell ya. /s
When will you Trumpets finally admit you've duped? And that wall? It'll be gone by October.
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Almost 40 post in, and not one TBR Trump defender wants to comment. Shocked I tell ya. /s
When will you Trumpets finally admit you've duped? And that wall? It'll be gone by October.
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Did anyone catch the fact that Trump...as part of his ramblings about raising the minimum wage said "I know it's not very Republican to help"?
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Did anyone catch the fact that Trump...as part of his ramblings about raising the minimum wage said "I know it's not very Republican to help"?
Meanwhile the abused wife still "loves" him...
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He could adopt the Democrat platform as his own and they wouldn't care
Isn't that why his daughter spoke at the convention?
Are we sure this wasn't a joke? The Vichy Republicans backing Trump seem to be telling us everything Trump says today is a joke. Which is true, since his whole campaign is a joke.
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Did anyone catch the fact that Trump...as part of his ramblings about raising the minimum wage said "I know it's not very Republican to help"?
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@Frank Cannon
Trump is playing three-dimensional chess here! And....something about Sun Tzu, or....yeah...
BTW, no Trump supporters have showed up yet? :pondering:
Trump's nth dimensional chess an awful lot like 3d stupidity. He's the pigeon on the chess board.
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Trump's nth dimensional chess an awful lot like 3d stupidity. He's the pigeon on the chess board.
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Almost 40 post in, and not one TBR Trump defender wants to comment. Shocked I tell ya. /s
When will you Trumpets finally admit you've duped? And that wall? It'll be gone by October.
I'll help them out.
He was just joking.
It is going to happen anyway, it is best if Trump gets credit for it.
He is a master deal maker, the Democrats want 15, he is negotiating them down by throwing out 10.
He was taken out of context.
You are lying.
You are a poo poo head.
You just want Hillary to win by posting this.
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Meanwhile the abused wife still "loves" him...
And will still forgive his transgressions too...
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So he's promised to put people back to work , he promised to help the middle class and poor, and then he embraces a minimum wage increase that will result in workers having their hours cut and jobs eliminated. A wage increase that will result in raising prices on goods and services, exactly how does that help the middle class and poor? And what about seniors living on fixed SS payments, how are they helped when prices rise? Brilliant strategy, there Trump, you're a real outsider, embracing an insider practice that will benefit for the most part only two groups, tax collectors and union members who have their wages automatically increased with a minimum wage increase, everyone else is either marginally benefited at best or much more likely,negatively impacted by resultant price increases. :huh?:
Trump will handle the economy just like Obama. As the world crashes around him. He will issue proclamations, yuge proclamations, awesome proclamations; they will be the best proclamations. Trump really means that and thanks to his words we will win bigly. We will get back to work we will be tired of getting back to work. Like Obama these proclamations will feed the hungry and put people back to work. Like Obama, he will declare victory even if our rescission has more dips than a Baskin Robbins on a Saturday afternoon.
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I'll help them out.
He was just joking.
It is going to happen anyway, it is best if Trump gets credit for it.
He is a master deal maker, the Democrats want 15, he is negotiating them down by throwing out 10.
He was taken out of context.
You are lying.
You are a poo poo head.
You just want Hillary to win by posting this.
If the past is any indication, what they'll probably say is "once Trump talks to the right eople on this, he'll change his mind." Another is they believe the mission is to beat Hillary first, then hold his feet to the fire on conservative issues.
Both are a big roll of the dice based on nothing but blind faith
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@Frank Cannon
Trump is playing three-dimensional chess here! And....something about Sun Tzu, or....yeah...
BTW, no Trump supporters have showed up yet? :pondering:
@Frank Cannon @CatherineofAragon
And the Art of the Deal. You just don't get it. They're playing T-ball and he's playing Stphanie Meyers' vampire baseball! Do I need the /sarc?
The mental gymnastics on TOS must be impressive right now attempting to justify this. I might lurk just to see how awesome the excuses are.
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So he's promised to put people back to work , he promised to help the middle class and poor, and then he embraces a minimum wage increase that will result in workers having their hours cut and jobs eliminated. A wage increase that will result in raising prices on goods and services, exactly how does that help the middle class and poor? And what about seniors living on fixed SS payments, how are they helped when prices rise? Brilliant strategy, there Trump, you're a real outsider, embracing an insider practice that will benefit for the most part only two groups, tax collectors and union members who have their wages automatically increased with a minimum wage increase, everyone else is either marginally benefited at best or much more likely,negatively impacted by resultant price increases.
FWIW, I went to the grocery store this morning. Giant – a pretty big grocery store chain here in PA and in VA, DC, DE and MD.
In the front of the store was a display – “Coming Soon”
Save time & money with SCAN IT®!
Save time
Scan and bag your groceries as you shop and sail through checkout – just pay and go.
Save money
Keep track of your total as you go, making it easier to stay on budget.
click here for a list of SCAN IT!® locations.
https://giantfood.com/shopping/shopping-tools/scanit/ (https://giantfood.com/shopping/shopping-tools/scanit/)
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The District of Columbia will raise its minimum wage from $11.00 to $11.50 and then again to $12.50 on December 31, 2017 and Maryland will raise its minimum wage from $8.50 to $8.75 and then again to $9.25 on December 31, 2017. And here in PA DemoRat governor Tom Wolf supports a $10.15 an hour minimum wage and is trying to push this legislation through.
Coincidence? I think not.
I have also noticed that both Giant and Weis Markets around here employ a lot of seniors and HS/college age kids as part-time cashiers and with them a fair number of disabled folks – Downs Syndrome, to do bagging and cart pick up, trash pickup, etc. I am guessing these will be the first jobs to go.
My great niece is in grad school (getting her Masters) but had until recently been working part time at a local retail department store at the customer service counter to help her with school and living expenses. Her hours were cut back to under 10 hours a week and then a few weeks ago her job was eliminated completely. My great nephew who just graduated from HS had been working at a national office supply store and had the same thing happen to him – his hours were drastically cut back and then his job eliminated. Fortunately, he landed an entry level corporate IT support job but the company he just landed a job at, is also a retailer and is evidently laying off and closing stores, so who knows if his job is in jeopardy or not.
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FWIW, I went to the grocery store this morning. Giant – a pretty big grocery store chain here in PA and in VA, DC, DE and MD.
In the front of the store was a display – “Coming Soon”
https://giantfood.com/shopping/shopping-tools/scanit/ (https://giantfood.com/shopping/shopping-tools/scanit/)
(https://cdn.peapod.com/site/55/0/0/0/e3ca70f1-07e1-43be-997f-2aa89a2674fa.jpg)
The District of Columbia will raise its minimum wage from $11.00 to $11.50 and then again to $12.50 on December 31, 2017 and Maryland will raise its minimum wage from $8.50 to $8.75 and then again to $9.25 on December 31, 2017. And here in PA DemoRat governor Tom Wolf supports a $10.15 an hour minimum wage and is trying to push this legislation through.
Coincidence? I think not.
I have also noticed that both Giant and Weis Markets around here employ a lot of seniors and HS/college age kids as part-time cashiers and with them a fair number of disabled folks – Downs Syndrome, to do bagging and cart pick up, trash pickup, etc. I am guessing these will be the first jobs to go.
My great niece is in grad school (getting her Masters) but had until recently been working part time at a local retail department store at the customer service counter to help her with school and living expenses. Her hours were cut back to under 10 hours a week and then a few weeks ago her job was eliminated completely. My great nephew who just graduated from HS had been working at a national office supply store and had the same thing happen to him – his hours were drastically cut back and then his job eliminated. Fortunately, he landed an entry level corporate IT support job but the company he just landed a job at, is also a retailer and is evidently laying off and closing stores, so who knows if his job is in jeopardy or not.
That is coincidence. Giant has been installing those throughout the mid-atlantic. To be honest, I thought all Giant's had those scan-it wands by now.
That said, most people don't use it.
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Meanwhile the abused wife still "loves" him...
Only there isn't going to be another 'honeymoon' phase.
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Only there isn't going to be another 'honeymoon' phase.
I don't know whether to to 888high58888 or :amen:
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My great niece is in grad school (getting her Masters) but had until recently been working part time at a local retail department store at the customer service counter to help her with school and living expenses. Her hours were cut back to under 10 hours a week and then a few weeks ago her job was eliminated completely. My great nephew who just graduated from HS had been working at a national office supply store and had the same thing happen to him – his hours were drastically cut back and then his job eliminated. Fortunately, he landed an entry level corporate IT support job but the company he just landed a job at, is also a retailer and is evidently laying off and closing stores, so who knows if his job is in jeopardy or not.
Hey, all that matters here is that Trump is able to placate ultra-liberal Bernie Sanders' voters. Conservative voters? Not so much.
I have also noticed that both Giant and Weis Markets around here employ a lot of seniors and HS/college age kids as part-time cashiers and with them a fair number of disabled folks – Downs Syndrome, to do bagging and cart pick up, trash pickup, etc. I am guessing these will be the first jobs to go.
Trump has already made it clear how much he considers people with disabilities.
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@Frank Cannon @CatherineofAragon
The mental gymnastics on TOS must be impressive right now attempting to justify this. I might lurk just to see how awesome the excuses are.
If you do go and expose yourself to that place, I thank you for your sacrifice.
My guess is that they've just ignored this news.
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I'll help them out.
He was just joking.
It is going to happen anyway, it is best if Trump gets credit for it.
He is a master deal maker, the Democrats want 15, he is negotiating them down by throwing out 10.
He was taken out of context.
You are lying.
You are a poo poo head.
You just want Hillary to win by posting this.
You nailed it.
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So if minimum wage increases 50% ... I guess all wages will do so too.
Problem is folks...obama has printed a whole lotta "money".
At some point...that chicken is coming home to roost.
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So if minimum wage increases 50% ... I guess all wages will do so too.
Problem is folks...obama has printed a whole lotta "money".
At some point...that chicken is coming home to roost.
Trumpy doesn't get that - not knowing much about economics.
He's gonna be taking ticking time bomb...the political equivalent of "Here, hold this a minute."
It's gonna blow up in his orange face...and he'll be blaming either Cruz or the Republican Party.
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Trumpy doesn't get that - not knowing much about economics.
He's gonna be taking ticking time bomb...the political equivalent of "Here, hold this a minute."
It's gonna blow up in his orange face...and he'll be blaming either Cruz or the Republican Party.
Well, it is "sequestered" in 15 year bonds via the fed. The "obama" bubble will not explode for another 8-12 years.
9 trillion in direct debt from obama/progressives. And another 9 trillion in "printed" I:E "Quantitative easing" ... Printed money bought as bonds by the FED.
Nice scam .... if you are running it. Print the debt/money... and buy it yourself/fed.
Unicorn farts.
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Well, it is "sequestered" in 15 year bonds via the fed. The "obama" bubble will not explode for another 8-12 years.
9 trillion in direct debt from obama/progressives. And another 9 trillion in "printed" I:E "Quantitative easing" ... Printed money bought as bonds by the FED.
Do you really expect our government to pay back the FED and remove QE (i.e. the printing of the money) dollars from the money supply?
Not only do I believe these new dollars are here to stay, I believe they will continue coming until one day burning $1 notes for heat makes more economic sense than burning wood or coal.
Each year for the last eight years, our deficit has been funded exclusive by printing new money. This is unsustainable. It is the #1 issue we face today.
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So if minimum wage increases 50% ... I guess all wages will do so too.
Problem is folks...obama has printed a whole lotta "money".
At some point...that chicken is coming home to roost.
I managed a major brand fast food restaurants, oversaw three locations for moderate size owner/operator, by moderate I mean that when I left he had 9 locations. In the twenty three years I worked for him we did not increase wages for the other employees, the operator did increase prices as much as reasonable without pushing customers away, the balance of the wage increase was made up by cutting hours, forcing fewer people to do more work and thereby eliminating positions of the least productive. I worked in construction, non union, for fourteen years after that and never once had my wages increased when the minimum went up.
What i find patently ridiculous is the idea that unskilled workers doing unskilled work are demanding and being told that they(here in CA and other states)deserve $15 an hour, a wage that is higher than journeymen in skilled trades earn.
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I thought I'd take a peek at FR to see what they say about this. Well, it's mixed. There are a few that are vehemently opposed to this but some of the comments that are trying to spin this are downright funny
Despite their attempts at spinning this as no big deal, the math says if you increase the cost of labor, you get less labor. Even the wise and powerful Trump cannot stop the law of economics or simple mathematics
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I thought I'd take a peek at FR to see what they say about this. Well, it's mixed. There are a few that are vehemently opposed to this but some of the comments that are trying to spin this are downright funny
Despite their attempts at spinning this as no big deal, the math says if you increase the cost of labor, you get less labor. Even the wise and powerful Trump cannot stop the law of economics or simple mathematics
Usually it's politicians and idiots that have no experience with running a business that push for wage increases and deny it will put people out of work. Trump is supposed to be this brilliant businessman but instead he just shows himself to be another idiot politician. :thud:
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Well, it is "sequestered" in 15 year bonds via the fed. The "obama" bubble will not explode for another 8-12 years.
9 trillion in direct debt from obama/progressives. And another 9 trillion in "printed" I:E "Quantitative easing" ... Printed money bought as bonds by the FED.
Nice scam .... if you are running it. Print the debt/money... and buy it yourself/fed.
Venezimbabwe, here we come!!
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Usually it's politicians and idiots that have no experience with running a business that push for wage increases and deny it will put people out of work.
Actually a lot of major corporations have backed higher minimum wages for the same reason many backed ObamaCare, they thought it would destroy their competition.
I'm sure it'll all work out well. lol.
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I managed a major brand fast food restaurants, oversaw three locations for moderate size owner/operator, by moderate I mean that when I left he had 9 locations. In the twenty three years I worked for him we did not increase wages for the other employees, the operator did increase prices as much as reasonable without pushing customers away, the balance of the wage increase was made up by cutting hours, forcing fewer people to do more work and thereby eliminating positions of the least productive. I worked in construction, non union, for fourteen years after that and never once had my wages increased when the minimum went up.
I agree but I would also think that if someone was working a retail job and currently making $10 per hour - because they’ve been there for several years, have received merit increases and a promotion, perhaps to being a “Team Leader”, not a manager per se but having additional responsibilities, that if the minimum wage is increased to $10 per hour and now someone coming in with no experience and with much less in responsibilities comes in making $10 per hour to start, someone that the $10 per hour Team Leader is training and supervising to some extent, that the person who is Team Leader at $10 per hour is going to feel shafted without some sort of increase or isn’t going to want to perform the additional duties and have the additional responsibilities. That’s not to say that they are going to get an increase but they could certainly make the case as to why they should.
What i find patently ridiculous is the idea that unskilled workers doing unskilled work are demanding and being told that they(here in CA and other states)deserve $15 an hour, a wage that is higher than journeymen in skilled trades earn.
I know that a short time ago at my last job at a non-union manufacturing company, were among other duties I was the Salary Administrator, we utilized salary bands and every job was assigned to one. When we increased the base rate and range for say a Lathe Operator I (often because of area market rates or having difficulty staffing positions), that meant an increase of the salary bands for Lathe Operator II and Lathe Operator III. That didn’t mean all the Lathe Operators II and III automatically got raises unless they were now below the new minimum for that job, but it was reflected in their annual merit increases – bringing them “to market”.
A minimum wage increase to $15 per hour for unskilled and entry level jobs will IMO certainly push up wages for skilled labor. Perhaps not right away but it will happen. The labor market will demand it. Of course unless the additional labor costs can be offset by price increases, the costs will be absorbed elsewhere – in decreased benefits, finding cheaper suppliers and unfortunately sometimes of lessor quality, cutting positions or hours or eliminating OT, less spent in R&D for new products or for expansion, i.e. the creation of new jobs.
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I managed a major brand fast food restaurants, oversaw three locations for moderate size owner/operator, by moderate I mean that when I left he had 9 locations. In the twenty three years I worked for him we did not increase wages for the other employees, the operator did increase prices as much as reasonable without pushing customers away, the balance of the wage increase was made up by cutting hours, forcing fewer people to do more work and thereby eliminating positions of the least productive. I worked in construction, non union, for fourteen years after that and never once had my wages increased when the minimum went up.
What i find patently ridiculous is the idea that unskilled workers doing unskilled work are demanding and being told that they(here in CA and other states)deserve $15 an hour, a wage that is higher than journeymen in skilled trades earn.
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Totally worth higher costs.
(http://i.imgur.com/yDRcnMK.jpg)
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I thought I'd take a peek at FR to see what they say about this. Well, it's mixed. There are a few that are vehemently opposed to this but some of the comments that are trying to spin this are downright funny
Take another peek over there is a few days. All those vehemently opposed posters will have been banned. Universal agreement!
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Totally worth higher costs.
(http://i.imgur.com/yDRcnMK.jpg)
Yeah, love the sign. Just a bit on changing times, when I started managing McD's the store I worked in had 130 employees on the payroll and 90% or so was made up of working moms, grandmothers and high school students, we were a top producing location, high profits and kept everyone busy. in the 80's competition and wages increased which led to improved equipment and consequently reduced personnel, by the 90's working in fast food had become unfavorable to kids, looked down upon as a "shitty" job which led to the increased, almost complete staffing by Hispanics with poor english skills, which led too an even lower opinion of fast food employment and even more advances to equipment. So I'll get to where I was going now, when I left McD's the staff on schedule total less then 40 almost all with limited english skills, but the store was still bringing in a minimum of 40k a week. I personally got burned out having to do almost all of the management duties because even my managers and they were not all Hispanic were sadly lacking in, I'll say it intelligence. A minimum wage increase will do what it always has for the lower level manual labor jobs, not a damn thing, because it will be eaten up in taxes and increased prices across the board. There is only one way for people too increase their wages and standard of living..........education. Unfortunately most of the influx of illegals is made up of the ignorant and uneducated who never break out of that situation.
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Do you really expect our government to pay back the FED and remove QE (i.e. the printing of the money) dollars from the money supply?
Not only do I believe these new dollars are here to stay, I believe they will continue coming until one day burning $1 notes for heat makes more economic sense than burning wood or coal.
Each year for the last eight years, our deficit has been funded exclusive by printing new money. This is unsustainable. It is the #1 issue we face today.
The global economy is absorbing it. In other words, poor people in other countries are paying for our sins.
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Usually it's politicians and idiots that have no experience with running a business that push for wage increases and deny it will put people out of work. Trump is supposed to be this brilliant businessman but instead he just shows himself to be another idiot politician. :thud:
When you have a record of stiffing the contractors and subcontractors, what difference does it make to you what they pay the hired help?
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When you have a record of stiffing the contractors and subcontractors, what difference does it make to you what they pay the hired help?
The problem with Trump is that he's completely clueless about how the world works for the rest of us.
When he says things will cost a little more, I doubt he considers the fact that $20 more per month already causes a fair amount of stress for a family of 4 getting by on $1000 or less per month. After all, he probably spends more in the course of a normal day than most of us make in a year.
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The problem with Trump is that he's completely clueless about how the world works for the rest of us.
When he says things will cost a little more, I doubt he considers the fact that $20 more per month already causes a fair amount of stress for a family of 4 getting by on $1000 or less per month. After all, he probably spends more in the course of a normal day than most of us make in a year.
The same could be said of almost all candidates. I'm not against success and don't really view his "money" as a reason not to vote for him. His insanity, bullying, and lack of regard for anyone but himself are good reasons though.
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The same could be said of almost all candidates. I'm not against success and don't really view his "money" as a reason not to vote for him. His insanity, bullying, and lack of regard for anyone but himself are good reasons though.
@Cripplecreek @driftdiver :amen: to both comments!
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When you have a record of stiffing the contractors and subcontractors, what difference does it make to you what they pay the hired help?
Well you promise to pay and that makes them happy. Then you only pay 50-80% which makes you happy. They've already done the work so what do you care.
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The problem with Trump is that he's completely clueless about how the world works for the rest of us.
When he says things will cost a little more, I doubt he considers the fact that $20 more per month already causes a fair amount of stress for a family of 4 getting by on $1000 or less per month. After all, he probably spends more in the course of a normal day than most of us make in a year.
His wife probably costs more than that per hour.
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Take another peek over there is a few days. All those vehemently opposed posters will have been banned. Universal agreement!
You must remember Comrade Unity must be mantained.
I shake my head when some folks (not pointing fingers) question the "purpose" of this site.
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The problem with Trump is that he's completely clueless about how the world works for the rest of us.
When he says things will cost a little more, I doubt he considers the fact that $20 more per month already causes a fair amount of stress for a family of 4 getting by on $1000 or less per month. After all, he probably spends more in the course of a normal day than most of us make in a year.
If only I had to worry about another $20/month. I'm planning for assuming another obligation, thanks to my spouse and in-laws. She, and a few sentimental siblings, have decided to retain their parents' house and turn it into rental property. To pay off those that wanted to cash out, and make necessary repairs, the equity loan will be in the range of $75K-$100K. They say they have a renter ready to move in, but I know what's going to happen when the rent's late, or the house sits empty. Let's not dwell on a future event, such as the housing bubble bursting, and the LTV exceeds 100%
I'm fully expecting the Bank of Night Hides Not to be their alternate source of cash flow when expenses and debt service exceed the monthly income.
:#@$%:
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His wife probably costs more than that per hour.
One Hermes purse can run $20k to $50k.
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The problem with Trump is that he's completely clueless about how the world works for the rest of us.
When he says things will cost a little more, I doubt he considers the fact that $20 more per month already causes a fair amount of stress for a family of 4 getting by on $1000 or less per month. After all, he probably spends more in the course of a normal day than most of us make in a year.
As an aside: It's funny how naturally unaware one can be - Before I was struck down by illness, I owned/ran 2 companies with about 10 employees on average... I considered myself highly efficient wrt economy and cash flow... And others thought so too, as I was always helping other businessmen find ways to save money by way of efficiency.
The same for my house. We lived in what I considered to be a fairly frugal state - We always ate alright, and had what we needed, but in order to teach my children, I felt it was important to do without extravagances, that they would learn the value of things.
Then I became ill, and lost it all... And now I live well on what I used to spend on business lunches and fancy coffee every month.
It is a caution... And no wonder that the fat cats don't understand... I wasn't all THAT fat, and I didn't get it at all.
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As an aside: It's funny how naturally unaware one can be - Before I was struck down by illness, I owned/ran 2 companies with about 10 employees on average... I considered myself highly efficient wrt economy and cash flow... And others thought so too, as I was always helping other businessmen find ways to save money by way of efficiency.
The same for my house. We lived in what I considered to be a fairly frugal state - We always ate alright, and had what we needed, but in order to teach my children, I felt it was important to do without extravagances, that they would learn the value of things.
Then I became ill, and lost it all... And now I live well on what I used to spend on business lunches and fancy coffee every month.
It is a caution... And no wonder that the fat cats don't understand... I wasn't all THAT fat, and I didn't get it at all.
I was lucky, I was born poor so not having throwaway money just isn't an issue for me. Frugality is my natural state.
Michigan Governor Rick Snyder is another one of those politicians who harms lower and middle class people. He doesn't do it out of animosity, he does it because living paycheck to paycheck simply doesn't register with a man worth $200 million. When he doubled the vehicle registration fees it didn't really affect him in any meaningful way. A vehicle registration that goes from $200 to $400 overnight is a major hardship with a lot of people. Buying into the green energy hype has driven energy costs sky high but I bet he's never seen a shutoff notice in his life.
When people like that do decide to care about the poor they invariably do the wrong thing and drive more people into poverty with higher taxes to "care for the poor". It makes them feel good that they're doing something to help.
To really help the poor men like this should be slashing taxes and regulation wherever they find them. That lifts a pile of rocks off the backs of the poor so they can begin to increase their own value and standard of living.
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I was lucky, I was born poor so not having throwaway money just isn't an issue for me. Frugality is my natural state.
Yeah - I know hard times... We were always 'high class rednecks', meaning that our house didn't have axles under it - But I was farm raised, with chores and gardens, and putting up for a rainy day... I remember times when I had 13-patch pants - My mom would fix them that many times before I got a new pair...
And in my own house, we went through hard times too... The fight to be successful (even limited success) was not always pretty. But that's exactly what I wanted to be sure was put into my kids.
You are right to say you were lucky to be born poor... Because when SHTF (and it will at some point for most folks), poor folks weather that sort of thing far better than those who have so very far to fall. The tools it takes for getting by are never lost.
To really help the poor men like this should be slashing taxes and regulation wherever they find them. That lifts a pile of rocks off the backs of the poor so they can begin to increase their own value and standard of living.
As always, it seems, we agree.
Had a lad that lived down the way from my pre-finish paint shop... His daddy died in military service, and his mamma was making do with 3 kids... The boy had a serious sense of being 'the man of the house', and helping his mamma out. He was too young to hire, so I paid him cash out-of-pocket to sweep up around the place and sometimes gave him projects that if he completed them well, I would pay him with things he or his family needed - a bike, a tv, a computer, etc...
You wouldn't believe the trouble I got into for 'hiring' that kid. And worse than the fines and penalties, I was prevented from ever hiring the kid as he came of age, when he had a shoe-in for an apprenticeship.
The stupidity of the system punished me for helping to take the edge off for that family, and for teaching the boy a trade and a decent work ethic. It punished him by taking away that income and teaching... and it punished his mamma and his whole house by denying them the little bit he could bring in.
That goes right to that 'pile of rocks' you're talking about.
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I am a small businessman involved in real estate. My experience with govt interference in my business has caused me to adapt in ways that those who wanted more "freebies" didn't anticipate. Over the last 8 years I've reduced my number of employees dramatically and filled those spots with contractors. In addition to this I began exploring opportunities outside the USA (mostly Panama) and discontinued expansion in the USA. I know most people will think I'm a bad guy for doing these things, but for me my first obligation is to God, then Family and finally Country. I have built a business that I would like to pass on to my sons, if they desire to be a part of it. I'm not a social welfare agency.
So when candidates come out with ideas that add cost to running a business you can bet business people will adapt.
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I am a small businessman involved in real estate. My experience with govt interference in my business has caused me to adapt in ways that those who wanted more "freebies" didn't anticipate. Over the last 8 years I've reduced my number of employees dramatically and filled those spots with contractors. In addition to this I began exploring opportunities outside the USA (mostly Panama) and discontinued expansion in the USA. I know most people will think I'm a bad guy for doing these things, but for me my first obligation is to God, then Family and finally Country. I have built a business that I would like to pass on to my sons, if they desire to be a part of it. I'm not a social welfare agency.
So when candidates come out with ideas that add cost to running a business you can bet business people will adapt.
Don't blame you a bit. I shut down my CPA sole proprietorship when I went to work for the FDIC about 7 years ago. Between the hassle and rising cost of licensing, peer review, and continuing education, it wasn't worth it to me. I was never one to charge pernicious hourly rates, but more to the point, it became boring. I had prepared tax returns of nearly every variety for nearly 30 years, and I was cooked.
I have no desire to return to accounting in the private sector, as I was burned at CPA firms and as a small company CFO. So, I'm passing time in the public sector for a couple more years until retirement. In reality, I won't "retire", but occupy myself with several activities, such as working with a nonprofit that is taking on obesity with healthier eating: Project 20Teen.
https://project20teen.org/ (https://project20teen.org/)
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MW needs to be raised. The MW I earned in 1978 at my first job is about $10.00 today inflation calculator.
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I seem to remember a news story that said in cities where the minimum wage was raised, several employees requested less hours so they would still have an income low enough to keep getting the welfare benefits, like food stamps and section 8.
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MW needs to be raised. The MW I earned in 1978 at my first job is about $10.00 today inflation calculator.
No it doesn't. Minimum wage needs to be determined by the market - in other words, it needs to go away.
wages are an 'x' factor in the cost of doing business. if the wage raises, so does the retail price to allow for it.
and if the business cannot meet the wage cost and still profit, jobs will be lost at the bottom.
Thus, all raising the minimum wage does is hurt the job market at the bottom, and raise the cost of goods.
It's the stupidest thing possible, especially in a struggling market.
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MW needs to be raised. The MW I earned in 1978 at my first job is about $10.00 today inflation calculator.
A wage is a private relationship between employer and employee.
Government interference is beyond the limits of the Constitution. If the Constitution means anything.
There is no place for POLITICAL mandates on private ECONOMIC matters. The person applying for a job may not be worth $10 an hour. The business may not have the money to afford to pay an unskilled helper that wage.
All society may be poorer (and is poorer) than in 1978. The wealth of a society is part of what adds up to a wage...which is why Koreans assembling cars used to get far less than Detroiters assembling cars. Even though the Koreans did it better.
The only justifiable Minimum Wage is NO minimum wage. If an employer won't pay a "fair" wage, no one will work for him.
There is not, as the Leftists like to pretend, any collusion between the hundreds of thousands of businesses and employers. There is only the economic realities that all of them have to work with.
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I seem to remember a news story that said in cities where the minimum wage was raised, several employees requested less hours so they would still have an income low enough to keep getting the welfare benefits, like food stamps and section 8.
Yep. I read that too.
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MW needs to be raised. The MW I earned in 1978 at my first job is about $10.00 today inflation calculator.
By what moral authority do you presume to tell me as an employer how much I must pay for labor? By what moral authority do you presume to tell me as a laborer how much I must accept for my services? Majority rules? The purpose of having rights is to prevent the majority from circumventing the fundamental rights of life, liberty and property. My labor is my property. I should have the right to give it away if I want, and the collective should have no say in the matter one way or another.
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A wage is a private relationship between employer and employee.
There is not, as the Leftists like to pretend, any collusion between the hundreds of thousands of businesses and employers. There is only the economic realities that all of them have to work with.
Imagine an economic collapse occurs. All of these ridiculous regulations will be nothing but chains. If the government still tried to enforce them, nobody would be able to get anywhere. Then again, I think most of the elite would like it that way.
I just had the thought about the insanity. Cowboys on the cattle drives made what, a buck a day? Could you imagine if the eastern states with the high populations trying to force them to be paid more? Then again they probably knew this would raise the price of their meat. In a lot of ways, the world is just dumber now.
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I seem to remember a news story that said in cities where the minimum wage was raised, several employees requested less hours so they would still have an income low enough to keep getting the welfare benefits, like food stamps and section 8.
Also stories where the employees no longer qualified for tips or got special benefits like a free meal. Many of these employees were now poorer because of the new wage.
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Also stories where the employees no longer qualified for tips or got special benefits like a free meal. Many of these employees were now poorer because of the new wage.
Well, now that this is all out in the open.... the Dems will MANDATE that they should still be qualified for tips and special benefits like a free meal.... See how easy it is to pass a new law? /sarc
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Don't blame you a bit. I shut down my CPA sole proprietorship when I went to work for the FDIC about 7 years ago. Between the hassle and rising cost of licensing, peer review, and continuing education, it wasn't worth it to me. I was never one to charge pernicious hourly rates, but more to the point, it became boring. I had prepared tax returns of nearly every variety for nearly 30 years, and I was cooked.
I have no desire to return to accounting in the private sector, as I was burned at CPA firms and as a small company CFO. So, I'm passing time in the public sector for a couple more years until retirement. In reality, I won't "retire", but occupy myself with several activities, such as working with a nonprofit that is taking on obesity with healthier eating: Project 20Teen.
https://project20teen.org/ (https://project20teen.org/)
Most people don't have your perspective. They really don't understand how govt regulations make doing business so much harder than it has to be. Eventually they will regulate people out of work. Minimum wage hikes means more robotics in the work place. All they're doing is eliminating the ability of businesses to have entry level positions where they can weed out people they want and people who aren't working out.
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By what moral authority do you presume to tell me as an employer how much I must pay for labor? By what moral authority do you presume to tell me as a laborer how much I must accept for my services? Majority rules? The purpose of having rights is to prevent the majority from circumventing the fundamental rights of life, liberty and property. My labor is my property. I should have the right to give it away if I want, and the collective should have no say in the matter one way or another.
How about when the government facilitates, illegal immigrants flooding the labor market, for lower and lower wages? Or perhaps importation of "refugees."
Say your dad fought in WWII or Vietnam, to give his children a good life, and they can't even support themselves or families, on today's the depressed pay rates.
And that takes place, when the son wants to do the same work his father did with three children?
Didn't that American family have an implied contract, with the government and society at large?
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MW needs to be raised. The MW I earned in 1978 at my first job is about $10.00 today inflation calculator.
MW should be eliminated. Anyone who shows up on time (10 mins. early) works hard, is always trying to learn, has an upbeat disposition and stays late without complaint will earn more quickly. If an employer doesn't recognize how valuable this type of person is another employer will.
What a lot of people don't realize is a lot of union contracts have clauses that stipulate automatic increases in the event that MW goes up. So if you raise MW it's going to trigger price increases throughout the economy.
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Say your dad fought in WWII or Vietnam, to give his children a good life, and they can't even support themselves or families, on today's the depressed pay rates.
You might look at the fact that we all work nonstop from January to July, maybe even August supporting the government...
Hw much more money would be in your pocket if that was only to March?
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How about when the government facilitates, illegal immigrants flooding the labor market, for lower and lower wages? Or perhaps importation of "refugees."
Say your dad fought in WWII or Vietnam, to give his children a good life, and they can't even support themselves or families, on today's the depressed pay rates.
And that takes place, when the son wants to do the same work his father did with three children?
Didn't that American family have an implied contract, with the government and society at large?
You pose a great question and your slant is why MW will end up being increased regardless of the consequences.
Let me illustrate what I've done in order for my business to remain profitable. I've eliminated most employees and hired back most of them as contractors. I did this primarily because the new health insurance requirements exploded the premiums as well as the costs of matching social security, medicare taxes, unemployment insurance and administrative costs. All the well intended govt regulations come with costs and when I can't pass on those costs to my customers I find ways to eliminate the underlying cost.
Minimum wage is especially nasty in how it causes the opposite of what is intended. As wages go up I am less inclined to give a young person a chance. It just costs too much. So what happens to the young person who not only wants to make some money, but more importantly needs to learn what it is to have a job and what is required of him. The answer is he doesn't get a job.
MW jobs are entry level jobs. They are not jobs people should aspire to for careers.
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How about when the government facilitates, illegal immigrants flooding the labor market, for lower and lower wages? Or perhaps importation of "refugees."
Say your dad fought in WWII or Vietnam, to give his children a good life, and they can't even support themselves or families, on today's the depressed pay rates.
And that takes place, when the son wants to do the same work his father did with three children?
Didn't that American family have an implied contract, with the government and society at large?
What 'implied contract'??? Your comment reminds me of the laborers complaining to their employer about their 'implied contract' of pay scale offered by an employer in the parable in Matthew 20. They thought it unfair that laborers hired for only an hour's work got the same amount those that were working 8 received. At the end of the story, Jesus says:
“But he answered one of them, ‘I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius? Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you. Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?’ Matthew 20:13-15
There is no implied contract. No one has the right to tell us what to do with our own property, because when they do - we no longer have private property rights -but what we own is simply leased to us by government who can recall it at any time of their choosing. Or take it all in the name of fairness and equality.
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Didn't that American family have an implied contract, with the government and society at large?
Society yes...the government NO!!!
That's the language of Progressive Democrat.
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What 'implied contract'??? Your comment reminds me of the laborers complaining to their employer about their 'implied contract' of pay scale offered by an employer in the parable in Matthew 20. They thought it unfair that laborers hired for only an hour's work got the same amount those that were working 8 received. At the end of the story, Jesus says:
“But he answered one of them, ‘I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius? Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you. Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?’ Matthew 20:13-15
There is no implied contract. No one has the right to tell us what to do with our own property, because when they do - we no longer have private property rights -but what we own is simply leased to us by government who can recall it at any time of their choosing. Or take it all in the name of fairness and equality.
Wow, beautifully said!
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Minimum wage is especially nasty in how it causes the opposite of what is intended. As wages go up I am less inclined to give a young person a chance. It just costs too much. So what happens to the young person who not only wants to make some money, but more importantly needs to learn what it is to have a job and what is required of him. The answer is he doesn't get a job.
This is a very important aspect: As a contractor in construction, quite often the new hire would cost me money for months. And that's the ones who 'know what they're doing'... Get that right - I was losing more than I paid him. I would always loathe hiring a new guy just for the mess I know he's going to make, especially someone green. Why lower my incentive further by making me pay more?
And lets not forget that the wage isn't all of it - By the time you're done, whatever you pay in wage is about double in actual cost paid out... That means that ten dollar an hour guy has to break past twenty dollars an hour in real production to just break even.
As a painting contractor, average shop rate was $35/man hr... and I was really lucky to make five to seven bucks an hour in profit per employee, if that. The cost of labor is ridiculous.
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This is a very important aspect: As a contractor in construction, quite often the new hire would cost me money for months. And that's the ones who 'know what they're doing'... Get that right - I was losing more than I paid him. I would always loathe hiring a new guy just for the mess I know he's going to make, especially someone green. Why lower my incentive further by making me pay more?
And lets not forget that the wage isn't all of it - By the time you're done, whatever you pay in wage is about double in actual cost paid out... That means that ten dollar an hour guy has to break past twenty dollars an hour in real production to just break even.
As a painting contractor, average shop rate was $35/man hr... and I was really lucky to make five to seven bucks an hour in profit per employee, if that. The cost of labor is ridiculous.
You're comments are so spot on!
The MW argument has been sold by promoting the idea that the people who start there stay there. Reality is the employer "takes it on the chin" with entry level employees, but once the new hire starts to "get it" his value goes up pretty quickly and he sees this increased value in more work and more pay.
Employers are always the "evil rich guy" making money off of someone else so they should have to pay more. My response to this is I sure didn't see anyone else in the office on Sat night and Sun morn when I was trying to figure out how to meet the next payroll, or meet the bank notes that were coming due. I took the risk. I invested my savings, my time, and gave up lifestyle with no guarantee of a return. The govt, hey they claim "I didn't build that business" and I should pay out more to them and to the employees.
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Society yes...the government NO!!!
That's the language of Progressive Democrat.
Then a "progressive democrat" would protect citizens from unfair competition by illegal immigrants, under open borders,
and a conservative would hold open the borders for open borders ??
Help me understand.
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Well, it appears not only has Trump abandon the last vestiges of conservatism, if he even had any to abandon in the first place, but many people who were conservative during the reign of BHO have as well
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How about when the government facilitates, illegal immigrants flooding the labor market, for lower and lower wages? Or perhaps importation of "refugees."
Say your dad fought in WWII or Vietnam, to give his children a good life, and they can't even support themselves or families, on today's the depressed pay rates.
And that takes place, when the son wants to do the same work his father did with three children?
Didn't that American family have an implied contract, with the government and society at large?
Not as far as I am concerned. My father fought in WWII, and he did not fight for his country. He fought because he could not countenance living in a country that was not free. The only implied contract our federal government should have with its citizens is to protect our rights. Period. It is up to each individual to make of himself what he can.
If you are looking for people who believe in mandatory implied societal obligations, I think you'd be very comfortable in the Democrat party.
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Then a "progressive democrat" would protect citizens from unfair competition by illegal immigrants, under open borders,
Trump wants touchback amnesty, he hires foreigners instead of Americans at his resorts, he has never been in favor of free or fair competition either.
He funded a PAC to lobby against casino's in New York, just to keep competition to his Jersey properties down. He illegal funded a campaign against an Indian casino and got a hefty fine. From Kelo to corporate subsidies, Trump has never - not once - been in favor of free or fair competition.
He is a crony capitalist pure and simple.
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Then a "progressive democrat" would protect citizens from unfair competition by illegal immigrants, under open borders,
and a conservative would hold open the borders for open borders ??
Help me understand.
It’s worth remembering the minimum wage is one of the biggest reasons some businesses favor illegal immigration.
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Well you promise to pay and that makes them happy. Then you only pay 50-80% which makes you happy. They've already done the work so what do you care.
I always paid my subcontractors upon presentation of the invoice. Whip out the checkbook, paid in full. Most guys in the same business made their people wait until they had been paid by the fortune 5 company we were working for before they paid them. I wasn't worried about getting paid, myself, and held off so I could pay the crews first.
Of course, I had already checked their work and knew it was good, but I had some subcontractors who were more loyal than any employee ever was. They did their best work and I didn't have to hover to get the job done, done well, and done on time.
I had a lot of repeat work and a couple of guys who worked with me for years and would not consider other offers so long as there were jobs coming up.
Nothing stinks worse than getting to the end of a job and not having any money. Been there, done that. I wouldn't do that to the people who worked with me.
Not paying them gets around fast in smaller circles, and repeat work won't happen. I heard some horror stories...
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Not paying them gets around fast in smaller circles, and repeat work won't happen. I heard some horror stories...
No wonder Donnie Lord Trumpy hires foreigners to do the jobs Americans won't do!
Because he stiffs them on their pay. So Americans won't work - for HIM.
Man oh man, this is some kinda hero the purportedly Republican Party has found...
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No wonder Donnie Lord Trumpy hires foreigners to do the jobs Americans won't do!
Because he stiffs them on their pay. So Americans won't work - for HIM.
Man oh man, this is some kinda hero the purportedly Republican Party has found...
I don't recall where, but I read an account of contractors who had to hire attorneys to get part of their pay--and only part of it as a settlement (which means the attorneys got a chunk of that).
According to that account, those contractors would not work for Trump again.
Uncompensated upgrades and add-ons were another common complaint.
Behind all the bluster of 'hiring nothing but the best, yadda yadda yadda' is the implied threat that only the best are working for him, therefore, if you refuse to work for him (and thus aren't) you aren't one of the 'best'. Otherwise you'd still be working for him. Most settlements come with a non-disclosure agreement which, if violated is cause for suit, and Mr. Trump sure likes his lawyers...
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I don't recall where, but I read an account of contractors who had to hire attorneys to get part of their pay--and only part of it as a settlement (which means the attorneys got a chunk of that).
According to that account, those contractors would not work for Trump again.
Uncompensated upgrades and add-ons were another common complaint.
Behind all the bluster of 'hiring nothing but the best, yadda yadda yadda' is the implied threat that only the best are working for him, therefore, if you refuse to work for him (and thus aren't) you aren't one of the 'best'. Otherwise you'd still be working for him. Most settlements come with a non-disclosure agreement which, if violated is cause for suit, and Mr. Trump sure likes his lawyers...
Sounds like the Fiorina woman. She talked the talk; and behaved much more reasonably than did Donnie; but she was no master of business in running Hewlett Packard straight into the mud. I opposed her for exactly that reason: She did NOT have a track record of anything but incompetence, obnoxiousness and pride in her symbolic breakthrough...right up until the Packard family got together and paid her to quit. She was THAT bad - when someone pays you tens of millions to GO AWAY, it's a safe bet they think you're REAL trouble.
That didn't happen to Donnie because Donnie's business was himself, his kids, his father...and the Tammany supervisors and commissioners who were to receive their satchels of cash. Kind of hard to screw that up - it's pretty straightforward. You know in the first months if you're competent enough to deliver a graft payment to a crooked Party functionary; and then, it's off to the races.
And so Donnie, a legend in his own mind, decides he's the big man for the Big Job.
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Then a "progressive democrat" would protect citizens from unfair competition by illegal immigrants, under open borders
and a conservative would hold open the borders for open borders ??
Help me understand.
Ok here we go.
Citizens don't need protection...they need opportunity. Competition from other countries always has been and always will be "unfair" to a certain degree...NOTHING in life is fair...something Liberals and Nationalists never seem to understand. You want to make America competitive again...release business from the shackles of over regulation and over taxation. Adding yet another tariff to the 12,000 we already have or raising the minimum wage will only kill off what little economic momentum we have today and it won't protect the citizens or make anything fair.
Free market capitalism...not this crony BS we have going on today will overcome any "unfair' practice by other countries.
I'm not sure how you construed my comments on security to meaning Conservatives are for open borders...they aren't. The security I was talking about and the security you thought I meant are two separate things.
Security of our borders is very much a Conservative and a Constitutional thing.
Security where you never have to worry about anything from womb to tomb...never having to deal with competition or actually working to get what you want...that kind of security...the kind that I referenced in my response to you...is a VERY Liberal thing.
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This is not an argument but an observation, so leave off the dramatic posts
Thanks!
The way I see it is......
Trump doesn't like to fail, it is his nature to succeed/win
He does not surround himself with yes people.
He prefers people with their own ideas, so he can learn and weigh all options.
Mike Pence is VP because he challenges him.
Newt challenges him
Carson challenges him
Rudy will challenge him
Carson let the cat out of the bag today, after denying he would be in a Trump admin. Today he said he would not get into what position he would have.
Jeff Sessions is an advisor.
Reince (pronounced Raince) has stuck with him, going against Mitt,who got him that position from Steele, and his BFF Paul Ryan.
Joni Ernst campaigned twice for him in Iowa today and was very good.
Here is the point, putting aside all these Democrat non stories(,might argue that later, but not now)
Trump is giving us conservatives to help him in making decisions.
There are more but it is late/early depending on your location.
Now,if you see a moderate or two added in the future, you have to remember,we have to get some indys or we will never win.
This is not your parent's election!
The dem machine has the blacks and now Hispanics, due to Bill's motor voter law when he was president.
So we have to find other ways to win.
So for those of you, who are not never Trump, I have to ask you. How could his team be any better?
If Trump was going to be a dictator as Hillary and her yes men/women will, he would not surround himself with the strong voices he is.
This is open for discussion, but i have to go back to bed.
Discussion does not consist of Trump is ( insert derogatory word)
Or a never trump template (I don't vote for Trump)...this post is not for you...so move on :laugh:
One more thing, had Trump chosen moderate dems,rinos,etc, YOU should be concerned, as would I , but I know for a fact how his heart works, and how generous he is,and he trying to show the world he is doing the right thing!
Just something to think about, because, it is what it is! Trump or Hillary! One will be President!
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but I know for a fact how his heart works, and how generous he is,and he trying to show the world he is doing the right thing!
How exactly do you know that for a fact?
Just curious.
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He does not surround himself with yes people.
He prefers people with their own ideas, so he can learn and weigh all options.
Mike Pence is VP because he challenges him.
Newt challenges him
Carson challenges him
Rudy will challenge him
Carson let the cat out of the bag today, after denying he would be in a Trump admin. Today he said he would not get into what position he would have.
Jeff Sessions is an advisor.
Reince (pronounced Raince) has stuck with him, going against Mitt,who got him that position from Steele, and his BFF Paul Ryan.
Joni Ernst campaigned twice for him in Iowa today and was very good.
Here is the point, putting aside all these Democrat non stories(,might argue that later, but not now)
Trump is giving us conservatives to help him in making decisions.
There are more but it is late/early depending on your location.
Now,if you see a moderate or two added in the future, you have to remember,we have to get some indys or we will never win.
This is not your parent's election!
The dem machine has the blacks and now Hispanics, due to Bill's motor voter law when he was president.
So we have to find other ways to win.
So for those of you, who are not never Trump, I have to ask you. How could his team be any better?
If Trump was going to be a dictator as Hillary and her yes men/women will, he would not surround himself with the strong voices he is.
This is open for discussion, but i have to go back to bed.
Discussion does not consist of Trump is ( insert derogatory word)
Or a never trump template (I don't vote for Trump)...this post is not for you...so move on :laugh:
One more thing, had Trump chosen moderate dems,rinos,etc, YOU should be concerned, as would I , but I know for a fact how his heart works, and how generous he is,and he trying to show the world he is doing the right thing!
Just something to think about, because, it is what it is! Trump or Hillary! One will be President!
Can you show or link to one thing that backs up anything you say in here about Donny?
Because the first hand accounts and the quotes from Trump himself show that the majority of what you said is not really square with reality.
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Oh yeah and watching Joni at the rally
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He does not surround himself with yes people.
He prefers people with their own ideas, so he can learn and weigh all options.
Mike Pence is VP because he challenges him.
Newt challenges him
Carson challenges him
Rudy will challenge him
Then he should love Ted Cruz.
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As I said, I am not arguing! Look it up for yourself! If you have to look it up, then you haven't been following closely.
Which isn't an insult, just that anyone that has watched, knows all this and more! I just hit the highlights
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Then he should love Ted Cruz.
Well I think he prefers grownups from the sound of it!
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How exactly do you know that for a fact?
Just curious.
Somehow....I don't think you were supposed to ask that question. Just a feeeeling.
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Somehow....I don't think you were supposed to ask that question. Just a feeeeling.
Just read. I am not trying to be cute!
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Just read. I am not trying to be cute!
Who said you were?
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Ted is such a nice guy! It's ashamed he is married to a self SERVING bitch!
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OTOH, he wants to raise the minimum wage.
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Trump wants touchback amnesty, he hires foreigners instead of Americans at his resorts, he has never been in favor of free or fair competition either.
He funded a PAC to lobby against casino's in New York, just to keep competition to his Jersey properties down. He illegal funded a campaign against an Indian casino and got a hefty fine. From Kelo to corporate subsidies, Trump has never - not once - been in favor of free or fair competition.
He is a crony capitalist pure and simple.
Yep!
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OMG!!!!
TRUMP WON FAIR AND SQUARE!
RNC DID ACHECJ, AND TRUMP WON THE CONSERATIVES ON THE OPEN VOTING TOO!!!
POINT IS, TRUMP IS THE NOMINEE AND THERE WAS NO SHENANIGANS!
HE WON OUTRIGHT!
CRUZ JUST DID NOT MEET EXPECTATIONS! OF COIRSE I COUKD READ HEIDI AND TEDS MANIFESTO FOR SUCCESS, BUT WHO CARES!!!!
You know...its a shame I have to point this out to you. But you're one of the owners of this site if I remember correctly....but with posts like this you're acting like a childish n00b member who doesn't know the rules.
How can you expect the regular members of this board to adhere to the rules and to decisions handed out by the Mods when you yourself don't act any better than they worst posters on this forum?
The all caps OMG shouting...mocking actually...of anyone who doesn't worship Trump the way you do is childish and beneath your management status on this board.
Lead by example...otherwise...don't criticize posters who's level of debate you take offense with as you've done in the past.
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Ok so thank you for letting us know your thoughts on this and your love for all things Trump is heavily biased on personal opinion and very light on actual facts.
Don't see links to the other stuff you claim happened. re: Dr. Carson etc **nononono*
I do not, repeat NOT understand what it is about the cheeto jesus which turns rational people into giddy seventh-grade cheerleaders.
He radiates nothing of the projections placed on him. He suggests little in terms of competence; less in terms of knowledge; and frankly...he don't sound too bright.
And he's made boneheaded mistakes.
His track record is of giving cash to liberal pols; his business model is a simple one involving graft payoffs. And this is the guy we're going to proclaim will save us from Clintonism?
WHERE does that come from. :shrug:
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I do not, repeat NOT understand what it is about the cheeto jesus which turns rational people into giddy seventh-grade cheerleaders.
He radiates nothing of the projections placed on him. He suggests little in terms of competence; less in terms of knowledge; and frankly...he don't sound too bright.
And he's made boneheaded mistakes.
His track record is of giving cash to liberal pols; his business model is a simple one involving graft payoffs. And this is the guy we're going to proclaim will save us from Clintonism?
WHERE does that come from. :shrug:
If you figure it out JPT let me know. It's a very perplexing thing.
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Then a "progressive democrat" would protect citizens from unfair competition by illegal immigrants, under open borders,
and a conservative would hold open the borders for open borders ??
Help me understand.
You are conflating two different issues. MW mandates are govt manipulation of business. Control of the borders is a national defense issue. Wages will naturally rise if an individual is willing to do the necessary things to be more valuable. I am all for the USA controlling who is allowed into the country. I am not for the govt of the USA trying to centrally plan the economy.
One of the reasons we have had such a miserable recovery since the last recession is the number of small businesses being created is way down. Govt attempts at central planning is at the root of this problem. MW is just one more element in this central planning.
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You are conflating two different issues. MW mandates are govt manipulation of business. Control of the borders is a national defense issue. Wages will naturally rise if an individual is willing to do the necessary things to be more valuable. I am all for the USA controlling who is allowed into the country. I am not for the govt of the USA trying to centrally plan the economy.
One of the reasons we have had such a miserable recovery since the last recession is the number of small businesses being created is way down. Govt attempts at central planning is at the root of this problem. MW is just one more element in this central planning.
goopo
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Then a "progressive democrat" would protect citizens from unfair competition by illegal immigrants, under open borders,
and a conservative would hold open the borders for open borders ??
Help me understand.
@truth_seeker
They'd sure promise it during an election.
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MW needs to be raised. The MW I earned in 1978 at my first job is about $10.00 today inflation calculator.
The way to increase your MW is to make yourself more valuable to employers.
Period.
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Well I think he prefers grownups from the sound of it!
Looks like you have been duped by the memes Trump has smeared on Sen. Cruz. I expected more from our co-leader in this forum,
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When the MW was $3.35 per hour I was making 5 to 7 per hour under the table working on the farm.
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Ted is such a nice guy! It's ashamed he is married to a self SERVING bitch!
Wow. Well there it is.
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The way to increase your MW is to make yourself more valuable to employers.
Period.
You are so spot on!
I am an employer. If I have an employee who is on time (10 mins. early), works hard, is constantly learning, has a positive disposition, and stays late if necessary that employee gets a raise pretty quickly and we start looking at this person as a long term part of the company.
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Ted is such a nice guy! It's ashamed he is married to a self SERVING bitch!
Incredible irony, consider "self serving" is almost synonymous with Trump.
Didn't think I would hear stuff like this from you.
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So does this mean we can go after Melania for being a skanky whore?
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So does this mean we can go after Melania for being a skanky whore?
Of course we must follow the Trump model for fair and square unity building.
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Ted is such a nice guy! It's ashamed he is married to a self SERVING bitch!
That requires an explanation. In what way is Heidi what you described above?
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Ted is such a nice guy! It's ashamed he is married to a self SERVING bitch!
That is beneath contempt. It truly is.
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That is beneath contempt. It truly is.
I totally agree. The entire episode warrants one of those WTF? graphics.
Bizarre behavior, IMO.
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Looks like you have been duped by the memes Trump has smeared on Sen. Cruz. I expected more from our co-leader in this forum,
Ironic.....considering that the comments coming from her early this am were anything BUT "grownup". More like an over-emotional teenager.
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I guess the Mods aren't brave enough....
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Ted is such a nice guy! It's ashamed he is married to a self SERVING bitch!
Wow.
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Ted is such a nice guy! It's ashamed he is married to a self SERVING bitch!
To paraphrase Ted She's out of your class why don't you stick to beating up on Cruz.
Keep it up. By the time Trump supporters get done with Cruz and his wife, here won't be more than a handful of conservative or Tea-Party types left in the Republican Party.
Why don't you pick on his daughters while you are at it? Once you assassinate their character. will you be ready to attack Hillary?
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Ted is such a nice guy! It's ashamed he is married to a self SERVING bitch!
@R4 TrumPence
@mystery-ak
If this is how y'all are going to run this place, count me out.
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@R4 TrumPence
@mystery-ak
If this is how y'all are going to run this place, count me out.
This is NOT how I run this place and have no excuse for that post...I am sorry. 8888crybaby
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This is NOT how I run this place and have no excuse for that post...I am sorry. 8888crybaby
I hope you guys get it figured out I just lost my long time home for conservative dialogue and was very happy to find this place I would hate to see people start leaving and go through the same cycle here.... I like this place a lot
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Well I think he prefers grownups from the sound of it!
Wow. The first time I have put a site owner on ignore.
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Well I think he prefers grownups from the sound of it!
That ain't the way Jeff Epstien told it.
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@R4 TrumPence
@mystery-ak
If this is how y'all are going to run this place, count me out.
I have to ditto what Myst said. I'm just a nobody, but this place is about Liberty, not forcing one Orthodoxy and banning anything that doesn't agree. Sometimes with Liberty, that means there are things said that one doesn't like, but we are all adults and can ignore stuff we don't like.
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That ain't the way Jeff Epstien told it.
Ouch
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I have to ditto what Myst said. I'm just a nobody, but this place is about Liberty, not forcing one Orthodoxy and banning anything that doesn't agree. Sometimes with Liberty, that means there are things said that one doesn't like, but we are all adults and can ignore stuff we don't like.
R4 Trumpence has been a reasonable person as far as I am concerned, and I thank R4 and Myst for providing such a great site here,providing a lifeline from the TOS.
R4 and I don't agree on Trump/Cruz obviously, but I am going to chalk up today, as just what it probably was..... "A Bad Day"...We all have them.
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R4 Trumpence has been a reasonable person as far as I am concerned, and I thank R4 and Myst for providing such a great site here,providing a lifeline from the TOS.
R4 and I don't agree on Trump/Cruz obviously, but I am going to chalk up today, as just what it probably was..... "A Bad Day"...We all have them.
Same. She has said on another thread that she's just recovering from food poisoning (from a restaurant) as well. Enough to give anyone a bad day. :shrug:
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Donald Trump can't abandon something he never had! There is NOTHING conservative about him and there never has been!
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I always paid my subcontractors upon presentation of the invoice. Whip out the checkbook, paid in full. Most guys in the same business made their people wait until they had been paid by the fortune 5 company we were working for before they paid them. I wasn't worried about getting paid, myself, and held off so I could pay the crews first.
Of course, I had already checked their work and knew it was good, but I had some subcontractors who were more loyal than any employee ever was. They did their best work and I didn't have to hover to get the job done, done well, and done on time.
I had a lot of repeat work and a couple of guys who worked with me for years and would not consider other offers so long as there were jobs coming up.
Nothing stinks worse than getting to the end of a job and not having any money. Been there, done that. I wouldn't do that to the people who worked with me.
Not paying them gets around fast in smaller circles, and repeat work won't happen. I heard some horror stories...
Yep, that will get you the best..and the bests best.
I run a Masonry Business, sometimes it pushes to general on interesting projects. I always pay as soon as done..often cash.
But yes, reputation gets around. A few years back I bricked a Freddy's. Got the job because the Contractor asked the other subs who to hire.
Anyways, while working there, another builder whipped up and asked if I was the MAson contractor.. said yes and he had some work he wanted me to look at. Well he had no sooner driven off when the electrical contractor came out and told me that there would be pay issues with the man.
I checked around.. and sure enough I turned down his work... with extreme prejudice. When asked why ..I told him he had a reputation of poor/slow pay.
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Well I think he prefers grownups from the sound of it!
Well, that comment certainly undid any goodwill your previous ones had built with me.
Grownups indeed.
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R4 Trumpence has been a reasonable person as far as I am concerned, and I thank R4 and Myst for providing such a great site here,providing a lifeline from the TOS.
R4 and I don't agree on Trump/Cruz obviously, but I am going to chalk up today, as just what it probably was..... "A Bad Day"...We all have them.
Here here. :beer:
Yes, I thank the lady's for the place they have made here.
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That ain't the way Jeff Epstien told it.
Brutality. 888high58888
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@R4 TrumPence
@mystery-ak
If this is how y'all are going to run this place, count me out.
My Lord... From a guy who helped screw in the first light around here, this is not how this place is run.
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Anyone can have a bad day, but this isn't the first time in 10 days that she's gone on an insane Anti-Cruz rant.
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I'm new here. I want to say what free republic wouldn't let me say, that Hillary has a Trump card, first name Donald.
She has waited patiently for eight years while racial tensions were fed a steady and rich diet, while Barry divided our country in a way no other POTUS did or possibly could have. Now that the new black panthers are on the rise (something the last Super Bowl depicted in many ways) it is time to divide the men from the women. Hillary (whom I playfully/seriously refer to as Kill Dog) has the requisite equipage to do for boys and girls what Bathhouse did for blacks and whites. She has the golden ticket, the Peyton Manning promise; the cat is already in the bag.
I was a Ron Paul supporter in 2004 and 2008, and it was abundantly clear then that our choices of presidential candidates are ever between bought puppets. Diebold voting machines ensure that the proper player is given the stage.
If the betting odds swing significantly in Trump's favor (and I expect they will for the sole reason to make sharps money) I posit that one would be wise to lay money on The Dawg. It will be eight years of maximum suffrage (search Taiwanese animators on youtube for that excellent depiction of this election cycle) and when the dust settles I think Pajama Boy will be considered a man's man.
Trump incenses libs in a way I've never seen (for god's sake my little sister said she wants to kill him) and I had to remind her that he is working for Hillary to make the election seem legit. Being polarizing is part of his job description. If Trump wins I'll eat my words, but I believe the chances of Hillary being elected our next president stand at 100%. God help us! And a pity that the first female pres is as crooked as they come.
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Welcome in. And very well said. :beer:
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I'm new here. I want to say what free republic wouldn't let me say, that Hillary has a Trump card, first name Donald.
She has waited patiently for eight years while racial tensions were fed a steady and rich diet, while Barry divided our country in a way no other POTUS did or possibly could have. Now that the new black panthers are on the rise (something the last Super Bowl depicted in many ways) it is time to divide the men from the women. Hillary (whom I playfully/seriously refer to as Kill Dog) has the requisite equipage to do for boys and girls what Bathhouse did for blacks and whites. She has the golden ticket, the Peyton Manning promise; the cat is already in the bag.
I was a Ron Paul supporter in 2004 and 2008, and it was abundantly clear then that our choices of presidential candidates are ever between bought puppets. Diebold voting machines ensure that the proper player is given the stage.
If the betting odds swing significantly in Trump's favor (and I expect they will for the sole reason to make sharps money) I posit that one would be wise to lay money on The Dawg. It will be eight years of maximum suffrage (search Taiwanese animators on youtube for that excellent depiction of this election cycle) and when the dust settles I think Pajama Boy will be considered a man's man.
Trump incenses libs in a way I've never seen (for god's sake my little sister said she wants to kill him) and I had to remind her that he is working for Hillary to make the election seem legit. Being polarizing is part of his job description. If Trump wins I'll eat my words, but I believe the chances of Hillary being elected our next president stand at 100%. God help us! And a pity that the first female pres is as crooked as they come.
Welcome aboard, @Dirt for sale! :patriot:
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I'm new here. I want to say what free republic wouldn't let me say, that Hillary has a Trump card, first name Donald.
She has waited patiently for eight years while racial tensions were fed a steady and rich diet, while Barry divided our country in a way no other POTUS did or possibly could have. Now that the new black panthers are on the rise (something the last Super Bowl depicted in many ways) it is time to divide the men from the women. Hillary (whom I playfully/seriously refer to as Kill Dog) has the requisite equipage to do for boys and girls what Bathhouse did for blacks and whites. She has the golden ticket, the Peyton Manning promise; the cat is already in the bag.
I was a Ron Paul supporter in 2004 and 2008, and it was abundantly clear then that our choices of presidential candidates are ever between bought puppets. Diebold voting machines ensure that the proper player is given the stage.
If the betting odds swing significantly in Trump's favor (and I expect they will for the sole reason to make sharps money) I posit that one would be wise to lay money on The Dawg. It will be eight years of maximum suffrage (search Taiwanese animators on youtube for that excellent depiction of this election cycle) and when the dust settles I think Pajama Boy will be considered a man's man.
Trump incenses libs in a way I've never seen (for god's sake my little sister said she wants to kill him) and I had to remind her that he is working for Hillary to make the election seem legit. Being polarizing is part of his job description. If Trump wins I'll eat my words, but I believe the chances of Hillary being elected our next president stand at 100%. God help us! And a pity that the first female pres is as crooked as they come.
New or not you seem to have afirm grasp of the situation IMHO!
Welcome aboard!
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I'm new here. I want to say what free republic wouldn't let me say, that Hillary has a Trump card, first name Donald.
She has waited patiently for eight years while racial tensions were fed a steady and rich diet, while Barry divided our country in a way no other POTUS did or possibly could have. Now that the new black panthers are on the rise (something the last Super Bowl depicted in many ways) it is time to divide the men from the women. Hillary (whom I playfully/seriously refer to as Kill Dog) has the requisite equipage to do for boys and girls what Bathhouse did for blacks and whites. She has the golden ticket, the Peyton Manning promise; the cat is already in the bag.
I was a Ron Paul supporter in 2004 and 2008, and it was abundantly clear then that our choices of presidential candidates are ever between bought puppets. Diebold voting machines ensure that the proper player is given the stage.
If the betting odds swing significantly in Trump's favor (and I expect they will for the sole reason to make sharps money) I posit that one would be wise to lay money on The Dawg. It will be eight years of maximum suffrage (search Taiwanese animators on youtube for that excellent depiction of this election cycle) and when the dust settles I think Pajama Boy will be considered a man's man.
Trump incenses libs in a way I've never seen (for god's sake my little sister said she wants to kill him) and I had to remind her that he is working for Hillary to make the election seem legit. Being polarizing is part of his job description. If Trump wins I'll eat my words, but I believe the chances of Hillary being elected our next president stand at 100%. God help us! And a pity that the first female pres is as crooked as they come.
Welcome. You'll see more FReepers here than they have left on FR. :seeya:
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I'm new here. I want to say what free republic wouldn't let me say,
Welcome aboard.
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I'm new here. I want to say what free republic wouldn't let me say, that Hillary has a Trump card, first name Donald.
She has waited patiently for eight years while racial tensions were fed a steady and rich diet, while Barry divided our country in a way no other POTUS did or possibly could have. Now that the new black panthers are on the rise (something the last Super Bowl depicted in many ways) it is time to divide the men from the women. Hillary (whom I playfully/seriously refer to as Kill Dog) has the requisite equipage to do for boys and girls what Bathhouse did for blacks and whites. She has the golden ticket, the Peyton Manning promise; the cat is already in the bag.
I was a Ron Paul supporter in 2004 and 2008, and it was abundantly clear then that our choices of presidential candidates are ever between bought puppets. Diebold voting machines ensure that the proper player is given the stage.
If the betting odds swing significantly in Trump's favor (and I expect they will for the sole reason to make sharps money) I posit that one would be wise to lay money on The Dawg. It will be eight years of maximum suffrage (search Taiwanese animators on youtube for that excellent depiction of this election cycle) and when the dust settles I think Pajama Boy will be considered a man's man.
Trump incenses libs in a way I've never seen (for god's sake my little sister said she wants to kill him) and I had to remind her that he is working for Hillary to make the election seem legit. Being polarizing is part of his job description. If Trump wins I'll eat my words, but I believe the chances of Hillary being elected our next president stand at 100%. God help us! And a pity that the first female pres is as crooked as they come.
Hearty welcome. We are up to around 500 new freepers since the whole purging, forcing orthodoxy started around February. Some of all stripes too, so it can get a bit lively here.
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Thank you ALL for your kind welcome!
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After I was ZOTed I researched the history of free republic and discovered I was in a bad place, and that leaving there is a blessing. That was also how I was referred to www.freedrepublic.com
Sleeping with dogs gives one fleas, and i was becoming quite cantankerous over there. I am very grateful that this place exists. Thanks again, I will be back after some poolside fun with gargantua and pantegruel!
888high58888
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I'm new here. I want to say what free republic wouldn't let me say, that Hillary has a Trump card, first name Donald.
She has waited patiently for eight years while racial tensions were fed a steady and rich diet, while Barry divided our country in a way no other POTUS did or possibly could have. Now that the new black panthers are on the rise (something the last Super Bowl depicted in many ways) it is time to divide the men from the women. Hillary (whom I playfully/seriously refer to as Kill Dog) has the requisite equipage to do for boys and girls what Bathhouse did for blacks and whites. She has the golden ticket, the Peyton Manning promise; the cat is already in the bag.
I was a Ron Paul supporter in 2004 and 2008, and it was abundantly clear then that our choices of presidential candidates are ever between bought puppets. Diebold voting machines ensure that the proper player is given the stage.
If the betting odds swing significantly in Trump's favor (and I expect they will for the sole reason to make sharps money) I posit that one would be wise to lay money on The Dawg. It will be eight years of maximum suffrage (search Taiwanese animators on youtube for that excellent depiction of this election cycle) and when the dust settles I think Pajama Boy will be considered a man's man.
Trump incenses libs in a way I've never seen (for god's sake my little sister said she wants to kill him) and I had to remind her that he is working for Hillary to make the election seem legit. Being polarizing is part of his job description. If Trump wins I'll eat my words, but I believe the chances of Hillary being elected our next president stand at 100%. God help us! And a pity that the first female pres is as crooked as they come.
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I'm new here. I want to say what free republic wouldn't let me say, that Hillary has a Trump card, first name Donald.
You are not the only one who thinks this way. Not by a long shot. What would he do differently if he were on Team Hillary?
Not much.
Welcome to the Forum!
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Thank you ALL for your kind welcome!
:beer:
After I was ZOTed I researched the history of free republic and discovered I was in a bad place, and that leaving there is a blessing. That was also how I was referred to www.freedrepublic.com
:silly: :silly:
That domain name worked! Kudos to the members who bought it!
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Thank you ALL for your kind welcome!
:beer:
After I was ZOTed I researched the history of free republic and discovered I was in a bad place, and that leaving there is a blessing. That was also how I was referred to www.freedrepublic.com
Sleeping with dogs gives one fleas, and i was becoming quite cantankerous over there. I am very grateful that this place exists. Thanks again, I will be back after some poolside fun with gargantua and pantegruel!
888high58888
I'll add my WELCOME to the many others! :patriot:
Leaving TOS has been a blessing for many of us. We don't all agree on things, but this is a great place where you can say what you think, and can think for yourself.
It's beautiful!
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I'm new here. I want to say what free republic wouldn't let me say, that Hillary has a Trump card, first name Donald.
She has waited patiently for eight years while racial tensions were fed a steady and rich diet, while Barry divided our country in a way no other POTUS did or possibly could have. Now that the new black panthers are on the rise (something the last Super Bowl depicted in many ways) it is time to divide the men from the women. Hillary (whom I playfully/seriously refer to as Kill Dog) has the requisite equipage to do for boys and girls what Bathhouse did for blacks and whites. She has the golden ticket, the Peyton Manning promise; the cat is already in the bag.
I was a Ron Paul supporter in 2004 and 2008, and it was abundantly clear then that our choices of presidential candidates are ever between bought puppets. Diebold voting machines ensure that the proper player is given the stage.
If the betting odds swing significantly in Trump's favor (and I expect they will for the sole reason to make sharps money) I posit that one would be wise to lay money on The Dawg. It will be eight years of maximum suffrage (search Taiwanese animators on youtube for that excellent depiction of this election cycle) and when the dust settles I think Pajama Boy will be considered a man's man.
Trump incenses libs in a way I've never seen (for god's sake my little sister said she wants to kill him) and I had to remind her that he is working for Hillary to make the election seem legit. Being polarizing is part of his job description. If Trump wins I'll eat my words, but I believe the chances of Hillary being elected our next president stand at 100%. God help us! And a pity that the first female pres is as crooked as they come.
Welcome to TBR, @Dirt for sale ! You will find this place a refreshing change, so take your shoes off. Please stop by the FR Refugee thread for some coffee and donuts. It's a good place to kick back and read of all your old friends who have been waiting for you! :seeya:
Clicker: http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,202939.0.html
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Thank you ALL for your kind welcome!
:beer:
After I was ZOTed I researched the history of free republic and discovered I was in a bad place, and that leaving there is a blessing. That was also how I was referred to www.freedrepublic.com
Sleeping with dogs gives one fleas, and i was becoming quite cantankerous over there. I am very grateful that this place exists. Thanks again, I will be back after some poolside fun with gargantua and pantegruel!
888high58888
Howdy! :seeya:
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I'll add my WELCOME to the many others! :patriot:
Leaving TOS has been a blessing for many of us. We don't all agree on things, but this is a great place where you can say what you think, and can think for yourself.
It's beautiful!
OK FR stands for Free Republic. What does TOS stand for again?
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OK FR stands for Free Republic. What does TOS stand for again?
Officially "The Other Site" but there was an old joke in the early 2000s it stood for "Terms of Service" because they would throw that phrase out at people all the time before they zotted. It is kind of passe now that they zot for any and all reasons.
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@R4 TrumPence
@mystery-ak
If this is how y'all are going to run this place, count me out.
For the short amount of time I have been a member here this looks like typical behavior specific to this particular member to me. I hope I am wrong about that and she starts feeling better and gets back to her better self and that there is a better self to get back to.
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Thank you ALL for your kind welcome!
:beer:
After I was ZOTed I researched the history of free republic and discovered I was in a bad place, and that leaving there is a blessing. That was also how I was referred to www.freedrepublic.com
Sleeping with dogs gives one fleas, and i was becoming quite cantankerous over there. I am very grateful that this place exists. Thanks again, I will be back after some poolside fun with gargantua and pantegruel!
888high58888
Welcome. I was frustrated at first having to learn how to navigate around a new forum, but after about a week you will realize how cumbersome and antiquated that FR was. It as great joining the 21st century. :patriot: