Trump Abandons Last Vestiges of Conservatism, Promises a Considerable Hike in Minimum Wage

[bilo]

This is a very important aspect: As a contractor in construction, quite often the new hire would cost me money for months. And that's the ones who 'know what they're doing'... Get that right - I was losing more than I paid him. I would always loathe hiring a new guy just for the mess I know he's going to make, especially someone green. Why lower my incentive further by making me pay more?

And lets not forget that  the wage isn't all of it - By the time you're done, whatever you pay in wage is about double in actual cost paid out... That means that ten dollar an hour guy has to break past twenty dollars an hour in real production to just break even. 

As a painting contractor, average shop rate was $35/man hr... and I was really lucky to make five to seven bucks an hour in profit per employee, if that. The cost of labor is ridiculous.

You're comments are so spot on!

The MW argument has been sold by promoting the idea that the people who start there stay there. Reality is the employer "takes it on the chin" with entry level employees, but once the new hire starts to "get it" his value goes up pretty quickly and he sees this increased value in more work and more pay.

Employers are always the "evil rich guy" making money off of someone else so they should have to pay more. My response to this is I sure didn't see anyone else in the office on Sat night and Sun morn when I was trying to figure out how to meet the next payroll, or meet the bank notes that were coming due. I took the risk. I invested my savings, my time, and gave up lifestyle with no guarantee of a return. The govt, hey they claim "I didn't build that business" and I should pay out more to them and to the employees.

[truth_seeker]

Society yes...the government NO!!!

That's the language of Progressive Democrat.

Then a "progressive democrat" would protect citizens from unfair competition by illegal immigrants, under open borders,

and a conservative would hold open the borders for open borders ??

Help me understand.

[LMAO]

Well, it appears not only has Trump abandon the last vestiges of conservatism, if he even had any to abandon in the first place, but many people who were conservative during the reign of BHO have as well

[massadvj]

How about when the government facilitates, illegal immigrants flooding the labor market, for lower and lower wages? Or perhaps importation of "refugees."

Say your dad fought in WWII or Vietnam, to give his children a good life, and they can't even support themselves or families, on today's the depressed pay rates.

And that takes place, when the son wants to do the same work his father did with three children?

Didn't that American family have an implied contract, with the government and society at large?

Not as far as I am concerned.  My father fought in WWII, and he did not fight for his country.  He fought because he could not countenance living in a country that was not free.  The only implied contract our federal government should have with its citizens is to protect our rights.  Period.  It is up to each individual to make of himself what he can.

If you are looking for people who believe in mandatory implied societal obligations, I think you'd be very comfortable in the Democrat party.

[geronl]

Then a "progressive democrat" would protect citizens from unfair competition by illegal immigrants, under open borders,

Trump wants touchback amnesty, he hires foreigners instead of Americans at his resorts, he has never been in favor of free or fair competition either.

He funded a PAC to lobby against casino's in New York, just to keep competition to his Jersey properties down. He illegal funded a campaign against an Indian casino and got a hefty fine. From Kelo to corporate subsidies, Trump has never - not once - been in favor of free or fair competition.

He is a crony capitalist pure and simple.

[Idaho_Cowboy]

Then a "progressive democrat" would protect citizens from unfair competition by illegal immigrants, under open borders,

and a conservative would hold open the borders for open borders ??

Help me understand.

It’s worth remembering the minimum wage is one of the biggest reasons some businesses favor illegal immigration.

[Smokin Joe]

Well you promise to pay and that makes them happy.  Then you only pay 50-80% which makes  you happy.  They've already done the work so what do you care.

I always paid my subcontractors upon presentation of the invoice. Whip out the checkbook, paid in full. Most guys in the same business made their people wait until they had been paid by the fortune 5 company we were working for before they paid them. I wasn't worried about getting paid, myself, and held off so I could pay the crews first.
Of course, I had already checked their work and knew it was good, but I had some subcontractors who were more loyal than any employee ever was. They did their best work and I didn't have to hover to get the job done, done well, and done on time.

I had a lot of repeat work and a couple of guys who worked with me for years and would not consider other offers so long as there were jobs coming up.

Nothing stinks worse than getting to the end of a job and not having any money. Been there, done that. I wouldn't do that to the people who worked with me.

Not paying them gets around fast in smaller circles, and repeat work won't happen. I heard some horror stories...

[JustPassinThru]

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Not paying them gets around fast in smaller circles, and repeat work won't happen. I heard some horror stories...

No wonder Donnie Lord Trumpy hires foreigners to do the jobs Americans won't do!

Because he stiffs them on their pay.  So Americans won't work - for HIM.

Man oh man, this is some kinda hero the purportedly Republican Party has found...

[Smokin Joe]

No wonder Donnie Lord Trumpy hires foreigners to do the jobs Americans won't do!

Because he stiffs them on their pay.  So Americans won't work - for HIM.

Man oh man, this is some kinda hero the purportedly Republican Party has found...

I don't recall where, but I read an account of contractors who had to hire attorneys to get part of their pay--and only part of it as a settlement (which means the attorneys got a chunk of that).
According to that account, those contractors would not work for Trump again.
Uncompensated upgrades and add-ons were another common complaint.
Behind all the bluster of 'hiring nothing but the best, yadda yadda yadda' is the implied threat that only the best are working for him, therefore, if you refuse to work for him (and thus aren't) you aren't one of the 'best'. Otherwise you'd still be working for him. Most settlements come with a non-disclosure agreement which, if violated is cause for suit, and Mr. Trump sure likes his lawyers...

[JustPassinThru]

I don't recall where, but I read an account of contractors who had to hire attorneys to get part of their pay--and only part of it as a settlement (which means the attorneys got a chunk of that).
According to that account, those contractors would not work for Trump again.
Uncompensated upgrades and add-ons were another common complaint.
Behind all the bluster of 'hiring nothing but the best, yadda yadda yadda' is the implied threat that only the best are working for him, therefore, if you refuse to work for him (and thus aren't) you aren't one of the 'best'. Otherwise you'd still be working for him. Most settlements come with a non-disclosure agreement which, if violated is cause for suit, and Mr. Trump sure likes his lawyers...

Sounds like the Fiorina woman.  She talked the talk; and behaved much more reasonably than did Donnie; but she was no master of business in running Hewlett Packard straight into the mud.  I opposed her for exactly that reason:  She did NOT have a track record of anything but incompetence, obnoxiousness and pride in her symbolic breakthrough...right up until the Packard family got together and paid her to quit.  She was THAT bad - when someone pays you tens of millions to GO AWAY, it's a safe bet they think you're REAL trouble.

That didn't happen to Donnie because Donnie's business was himself, his kids, his father...and the Tammany supervisors and commissioners who were to receive their satchels of cash.  Kind of hard to screw that up - it's pretty straightforward.  You know in the first months if you're competent enough to deliver a graft payment to a crooked Party functionary; and then, it's off to the races.

And so Donnie, a legend in his own mind, decides he's the big man for the Big Job.

[txradioguy]

Then a "progressive democrat" would protect citizens from unfair competition by illegal immigrants, under open borders

and a conservative would hold open the borders for open borders ??

Help me understand.

Ok here we go.

Citizens don't need protection...they need opportunity.  Competition from other countries always has been and always will be "unfair" to a certain degree...NOTHING in life is fair...something Liberals and Nationalists never seem to understand.  You want to make America competitive again...release business from the shackles of over regulation and over taxation.  Adding yet another tariff to the 12,000 we already have or raising the minimum wage will only kill off what little economic momentum we have today and it won't protect the citizens or make anything fair.

Free market capitalism...not this crony BS we have going on today will overcome any "unfair' practice by other countries.

I'm not sure how you construed my comments on security to meaning Conservatives are for open borders...they aren't.  The security I was talking about and the security you thought I meant are two separate things.

Security of our borders is very much a Conservative and a Constitutional thing.

Security where you never have to worry about anything from womb to tomb...never having to deal with competition or actually working to get what you want...that kind of security...the kind that I referenced in my response to you...is a VERY Liberal thing.

[R4 TrumPence]

This is not an argument but an observation, so leave off the dramatic posts
Thanks!
The way I see it is......
Trump doesn't like to fail, it is his nature to succeed/win
He does not surround himself with yes people.
He prefers people with their own ideas, so he can learn and weigh all options.
Mike Pence is VP because he challenges him.
Newt challenges him
Carson challenges him
Rudy will challenge him

Carson let the cat out of the bag today, after denying he would be in a Trump admin. Today he said he would not get into what position he would have.

Jeff Sessions is an advisor.

Reince (pronounced Raince) has stuck with him, going against Mitt,who got him that position from Steele, and his BFF Paul Ryan.
Joni Ernst campaigned twice for him in Iowa today and was very good.

Here is the point, putting aside all these Democrat non stories(,might argue that later, but not now)

Trump is giving us conservatives to help him in making decisions.
There are more but it is late/early depending on your location.
Now,if you see a moderate or two added in the future, you have to remember,we have to get some indys or we will never win.
This is not your parent's election!
The dem machine has the blacks and now Hispanics, due to Bill's motor voter law when he was president.
So we have to find other ways to win.
So for those of you, who are not never Trump, I have to ask you. How could his team be any better?
If Trump was going to be a dictator as Hillary and her yes men/women will, he would not surround himself with the strong voices he is.

This is open for discussion, but i have to go back to bed.
Discussion does not consist of Trump is ( insert derogatory word)
Or a never trump template (I don't vote for Trump)...this post is not for you...so move on

One more thing, had Trump chosen moderate dems,rinos,etc, YOU should be concerned, as would I , but I know for a fact how his heart works, and how generous he is,and he trying to show the world he is doing the right thing!

Just something to think about, because, it is what it is! Trump or Hillary! One will be President!

[txradioguy]

but I know for a fact how his heart works, and how generous he is,and he trying to show the world he is doing the right thing!

How exactly do you know that for a fact?

Just curious.

[txradioguy]

He does not surround himself with yes people.

He prefers people with their own ideas, so he can learn and weigh all options.
Mike Pence is VP because he challenges him.
Newt challenges him
Carson challenges him
Rudy will challenge him

Carson let the cat out of the bag today, after denying he would be in a Trump admin. Today he said he would not get into what position he would have.

Jeff Sessions is an advisor.

Reince (pronounced Raince) has stuck with him, going against Mitt,who got him that position from Steele, and his BFF Paul Ryan.
Joni Ernst campaigned twice for him in Iowa today and was very good.

Here is the point, putting aside all these Democrat non stories(,might argue that later, but not now)

Trump is giving us conservatives to help him in making decisions.
There are more but it is late/early depending on your location.
Now,if you see a moderate or two added in the future, you have to remember,we have to get some indys or we will never win.
This is not your parent's election!
The dem machine has the blacks and now Hispanics, due to Bill's motor voter law when he was president.
So we have to find other ways to win.
So for those of you, who are not never Trump, I have to ask you. How could his team be any better?
If Trump was going to be a dictator as Hillary and her yes men/women will, he would not surround himself with the strong voices he is.

This is open for discussion, but i have to go back to bed.
Discussion does not consist of Trump is ( insert derogatory word)
Or a never trump template (I don't vote for Trump)...this post is not for you...so move on

One more thing, had Trump chosen moderate dems,rinos,etc, YOU should be concerned, as would I , but I know for a fact how his heart works, and how generous he is,and he trying to show the world he is doing the right thing!

Just something to think about, because, it is what it is! Trump or Hillary! One will be President!

Can you show or link to one thing that backs up anything you say in here about Donny? 

Because the first hand accounts and the quotes from Trump himself show that the majority of what you said is not really square with reality.

[R4 TrumPence]

Oh yeah and watching Joni at the rally

[Hoodat]

He does not surround himself with yes people.
He prefers people with their own ideas, so he can learn and weigh all options.
Mike Pence is VP because he challenges him.
Newt challenges him
Carson challenges him
Rudy will challenge him

Then he should love Ted Cruz.

[R4 TrumPence]

As I said, I am not arguing! Look it up for yourself! If you have to look it up, then you haven't been following closely.
Which isn't an insult, just that anyone that has watched, knows all this and more! I just hit the highlights

[R4 TrumPence]

Then he should love Ted Cruz.

Well I think he prefers grownups from the sound of it!

[XenaLee]

How exactly do you know that for a fact?

Just curious.

Somehow....I don't think you were supposed to ask that question.  Just a feeeeling.

[R4 TrumPence]

Somehow....I don't think you were supposed to ask that question.  Just a feeeeling.

Just read. I am not trying to be cute!

[XenaLee]

Just read. I am not trying to be cute!

Who said you were?

[R4 TrumPence]

Ted is such a nice guy! It's ashamed he is married to a self SERVING bitch!

[Forum member]

OTOH, he wants to raise the minimum wage.

[guitar4jesus]

Trump wants touchback amnesty, he hires foreigners instead of Americans at his resorts, he has never been in favor of free or fair competition either.

He funded a PAC to lobby against casino's in New York, just to keep competition to his Jersey properties down. He illegal funded a campaign against an Indian casino and got a hefty fine. From Kelo to corporate subsidies, Trump has never - not once - been in favor of free or fair competition.

He is a crony capitalist pure and simple.

Yep!

[txradioguy]

OMG!!!!

TRUMP WON FAIR AND SQUARE!
RNC DID ACHECJ, AND TRUMP WON THE CONSERATIVES ON THE OPEN VOTING TOO!!!
POINT IS, TRUMP IS THE NOMINEE AND THERE WAS NO SHENANIGANS!
HE WON OUTRIGHT!
CRUZ JUST DID NOT MEET EXPECTATIONS!  OF COIRSE I COUKD READ HEIDI AND TEDS MANIFESTO FOR SUCCESS, BUT WHO CARES!!!!

You know...its a shame I have to point this out to you.  But you're one of the owners of this site if I remember correctly....but with posts like this you're acting like a childish n00b member who doesn't know the rules.

How can you expect the regular members of this board to adhere to the rules and to decisions handed out by the Mods when you yourself don't act any better than they worst posters on this forum?

The all caps OMG shouting...mocking actually...of anyone who doesn't worship Trump the way you do is childish and beneath your management status on this board.

Lead by example...otherwise...don't criticize posters who's level of debate you take offense with as you've done in the past.