The Briefing Room
General Category => National/Breaking News => Topic started by: ABX on February 20, 2018, 10:56:28 pm
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The White House said on Tuesday setting an age limit for buying AR-15-type assault rifles, the type purchased legally by a teenager who shot dead 17 people at a Florida high school last week, was under consideration.
"I think that's certainly something that's on the table for us to discuss and that we expect to come up over the next couple of weeks," White House spokeswoman Sarah Sanders said at a daily briefing when asked if President Donald Trump believed there should be an age limit for the purchase of AR-15-type rifles.......
https://www.yahoo.com/news/age-limit-buying-ar-15-assault-rifle-table-211001833.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/age-limit-buying-ar-15-assault-rifle-table-211001833.html)
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Singling out this one semiautomatic rifle is one of the more bizarre aspects of this issue.
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Columbine occurred during the assault weapons ban. Almost the same amount of people were killed and no AR was used. A handgun was used at VA Tech and almost twice as many were killed. This road doesn’t end with the AR. Everyone knows it.
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I don't want 16 year olds with weapons unless they are fighting with me or for me. Those guys will kill anybody. Because they are too young to know the result on them.
It is more than reasonable that the age to buy a weapon should at least match or exceed the age you need to be to buy a beer.
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The Va Tech shooter used pistols, but let's not get sidetracked by facts.
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Singling out this one semiautomatic rifle is one of the more bizarre aspects of this issue.
Once the public at large accepts an AR15 ban then there's really no logical reason to oppose any semi auto firearm ban.
Once semi autos are banned then there's no logical reason to oppose any firearm ban.
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I don't want 16 year olds with weapons unless they are fighting with me or for me. Those guys will kill anybody. Because they are too young to know the result on them.
It is more than reasonable that the age to buy a weapon should at least match or exceed the age you need to be to buy a beer.
You obviously have never lived or worked on a ranch or farm. Weapons are necessary, even in the hands of a 13 year old. Blanket top down rules make little sense.
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Is this White House and this Congress really going to do this??
REALLY????
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This is knee jerk liberalism at its finest. Happens every time one of the nutjobs killers catches the attention of the showfolkfags and your weak kneed politicians.
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It is more than reasonable that the age to buy a weapon should at least match or exceed the age you need to be to buy a beer.
I was buying beer when I was 14. And I owned firearms way before that.
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This is knee jerk liberalism at its finest. Happens every time one of the nutjobs killers catches the attention of the showfolkfags and your weak kneed politicians.
Yep. Knee jerk liberalism from a "Republican" White House.....
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You obviously have never lived or worked on a ranch or farm. Weapons are necessary, even in the hands of a 13 year old. Blanket top down rules make little sense.
LOL. That made me laugh. I was shooting a 12g when I was ten years old. But I did not ever own the gun. My father gave it to me. I didn't even know where they were.
Ducks were my favorite food growing up.
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LOL. That made me laugh. I was shooting a 12g when I was ten years old. But I did not ever own the gun. My father gave it to me. I didn't even know where they were.
Ducks were my favorite food growing up.
Sounds like I made a bad assumption... So why would you deny others that experience?
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Sounds like I made a bad assumption... So why would you deny others that experience?
@DB
None. Nothing. Not denying anybody anything.
A father giving a child a gun, and teaching him what a gun is, what it is for, and how to be responsible with it, is far different from a pissed off 18yr old crackhead buying a gun.
Apples and oranges. not the same thing at all.
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@DB
None. Nothing. Not denying anybody anything.
A father giving a child a gun, and teaching him what a gun is, what it is for, and how to be responsible with it, is far different from a pissed off 18yr old crackhead buying a gun.
Apples and oranges. not the same thing at all.
So how is that statement reconciled with this one:
"I don't want 16 year olds with weapons unless they are fighting with me or for me. Those guys will kill anybody. Because they are too young to know the result on them.
It is more than reasonable that the age to buy a weapon should at least match or exceed the age you need to be to buy a beer."
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Once the public at large accepts an AR15 ban then there's really no logical reason to oppose any semi auto firearm ban.
Once semi autos are banned then there's no logical reason to oppose any firearm ban.
Once the public at large large learns that an AR15 is only cosmetically different from virtually any other semi automatic rifle, the question of banning will come back off the table. This is a teachable moment. Let’s have that debate. Democrats love to obscure the facts, we have a chance now to clarify them,
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So how is that statement reconciled with this one:
"I don't want 16 year olds with weapons unless they are fighting with me or for me. Those guys will kill anybody. Because they are too young to know the result on them.
That is overseas stuff. Killing a person is not what it seems, unless you are a true clinical psychopath. These kids may think they are just having fun, now. But when they hit 40+ it is going to bite them. It will bite hard.
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Is this White House and this Congress really going to do this??
REALLY????
@musiclady
Florida is moving that way in the statehouse...Rubio is in favor of what they're doing.
Trump just directed the DoJ to ban bumpstocks.
So yeah I'd say it's a safe bet they will do this in 2018.
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@musiclady
Florida is moving that was in the statehouse...Rubio is in favor of what they're doing.
Trump just directed the DoJ to ban bumpstocks.
So yeah I'd say it's a safe bet they will do this in 2018.
The Florida bill to ban ar15s failed today
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The Florida bill to ban ar15s failed today
That's good news.
Though it ruins my excuse I was gonna use with my wife to get a Mini-14
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That's good news.
Though it ruins my excuse I was gonna use with my wife to get a Mini-14
Work quick.. she might not know yet.
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I don't want 16 year olds with weapons unless they are fighting with me or for me. Those guys will kill anybody. Because they are too young to know the result on them.
It is more than reasonable that the age to buy a weapon should at least match or exceed the age you need to be to buy a beer.
We will have to disagree.
My children by age 16 were responsible shooters with semi-autos, as was I and my brother, as was my father and his brothers.
I'm sorry for you that your upbringing was lacking.
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We will have to disagree.
My children by age 16 were responsible shooters with semi-autos, as was I and my brother, as was my father and his brothers.
I'm sorry for you that your upbringing was lacking.
ok
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We will have to disagree.
My children by age 16 were responsible shooters with semi-autos, as was I and my brother, as was my father and his brothers.
I'm sorry for you that your upbringing was lacking.
Heck yeah. I was whacking coyotes, gophers, and feral cats for money way before that... between varmints and trapping, I bought a 63 Chevy pickup, and built it's motor and had it running by the time I got my license at 14. I went to take the driving test in that ol truck.
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Yep. Knee jerk liberalism from a "Republican" White House.....
But we knew he was a liberal when he was elected, so it's okay.
</trumpsplaining>
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We will have to disagree.
My children by age 16 were responsible shooters with semi-autos, as was I and my brother, as was my father and his brothers.
I'm sorry for you that your upbringing was lacking.
I hope they never get pissed off at you for some reason.
Make sure their allowances' are in full and on time.
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But we knew he was a liberal when he was elected, so it's okay.
</trumpsplaining>
And perfectly done. :beer:
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We will have to disagree.
My children by age 16 were responsible shooters with semi-autos, as was I and my brother, as was my father and his brothers.
I'm sorry for you that your upbringing was lacking.
@thackney
I know children who've had excellent upbringing, with siblings who are responsible...while they are not.
Yet very few would have even had the thought cross their minds of shooting up a school. Why is it so much more common now? Is it because in the 1950s, we didn't have a lot of small-cartridge carbines with fast-change magazines?
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I hope they never get pissed off at you for some reason.
Make sure their allowances' are in full and on time.
They get angry at me frequently, as I do them. But like normal people, we work it out. We are not insane, shooting each other over disagreements.
About a hundred million gun owners in this country act the same.
For people willing to kill others over anger, they are not limited to semi-auto guns.
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Two completely different topics.
We are equating the idea that a 16yr old person should be able to USE a gun.
With the idea that a 16yr old should be able to BUY a gun.
Two different things.
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They get angry at me frequently, as I do them. But like normal people, we work it out. We are not insane, shooting each other over disagreements.
You are definitely not from Appalachia. At least not the one I know.
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@thackney
I know children who've had excellent upbringing, with siblings who are responsible...while they are not.
Yet very few would have even had the thought cross their minds of shooting up a school. Why is it so much more common now? Is it because in the 1950s, we didn't have a lot of small-cartridge carbines with fast-change magazines?
Guns we're commonly brought to school when I grew up. We hunted and trapped before and after school. It wasn't a lack of access to guns that prevented us from shooting each other.
We were raised with high expectations and taught consequences to actions, as my children are. Not enough of my children's classmates are taught the same.
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Two completely different topics.
We are equating the idea that a 16yr old person should be able to USE a gun.
With the idea that a 16yr old should be able to BUY a gun.
Two different things.
No, it is not. Not for us.
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We are equating the idea that a 16yr old person should be able to USE a gun.
With the idea that a 16yr old should be able to BUY a gun.
A distinction without a difference.
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No, it is not. Not for us.
Who are "us"?
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Who are "us"?
Obviously not you. But include myself and my family in the us, among many others.
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Singling out this one semiautomatic rifle is one of the more bizarre aspects of this issue.
@mountaineer
Especially given the fact that no rifle anywhere has ever shot anyone. It is always the people pulling the trigger that do the shooting.
What next,we going to blame cars for drunk driving?
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Steven Crowder debunks the top common myths and Leftist lies surrounding the scary AR15 rifle.
https://www.facebook.com/stevencrowderofficial/videos/10156026596526163/?t=0 (https://www.facebook.com/stevencrowderofficial/videos/10156026596526163/?t=0)
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What next,we going to blame cars for drunk driving?
Only ones that can go really fast and maintain some structural integrity on impact.
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White House on ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban: ‘We Haven’t Closed Doors on Any Front’ (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/02/20/white-house-on-assault-weapons-ban-we-havent-closed-doors-on-any-front/)
During Tuesday’s press briefing, White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders was asked about a proposed “assault weapons†ban and said, “We haven’t closed the door on any front.â€
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I don't want 16 year olds with weapons unless they are fighting with me or for me. Those guys will kill anybody. Because they are too young to know the result on them.
It is more than reasonable that the age to buy a weapon should at least match or exceed the age you need to be to buy a beer.
I was shooting high powers competitions at 15. Never killed anybody, but I did meet my future husband.
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I was shooting high powers competitions at 15. Never killed anybody, but I did meet my future husband.
Last 3 gun challenge I was at Ft. Benning there was a 16 year old and a couple of 12 year olds competing.
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My son who turned 18 in December is going to be even happier that he bought his AR last month if this passes.
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I had a machine gun and grenades when I was 18. Flew a multi-million dollar aircraft with missiles and really serious machine guns not long thereafter.
I never randomly killed anyone.
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NONE of all this macho bravado is relevant to my only point. Yes. I agree with all of you. When I was a kid, home alone, and hungry. I picked up a gun, got some food, and cooked and ate it. I did all that stuff just like you guys ("us") did. True story, my mom was actually mad that I didn't save any for her. You snooze, you lose. That's ok. I'll go get her one. She has to cook it herself.
That is not what I am talking about. Do we want 12yr olds or 16yr olds to be able to BUY guns? It is about buying guns, not using them.
This is not about shooting competitions or hunting. Do you want some pissed off kid to be able to go and buy a goddam Luger? That is an insane idea.
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I was shooting high powers competitions at 15. Never killed anybody, but I did meet my future husband.
Did you shoot him? Or just nag him to death! :smokin:
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Do you want some pissed off kid to be able to go and buy a goddam Luger? That is an insane idea.
Handguns are already limited to age 21. But I bought my first semi-auto pistol under the same restriction at age 17, alone without parents. It wasn't a dark alley but an open auto parts swap meet. Such laws don't stop anyone who would be willing to break laws, like shooting someone.
It is feel good legislation without any impact in reality.
Banning the purchase of them by those you consider too young will have the same effect as banning purchase of alcohol or drugs. Know any kids that bought those?
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Did you shoot him? Or just nag him to death! :smokin:
:silly: :silly: :silly:
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Handguns are already limited to age 21. But I bought my first semi-auto pistol under the same restriction at age 17, alone without parents. It wasn't a dark alley but an open auto parts swap meet. Such laws don't stop anyone who would be willing to break laws, like shooting someone.
So you managed to score a weapon at some random auto-parts store. That sounds fairly back-alley to me. That is not at all the point. Restricting sales to minors does not affect the black market. So then, what does it hurt? If it has no effect, then just do it. Who cares?
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:silly: :silly: :silly:
Sorry. LOL
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France has an interesting option. Instead of banning guns, or banning lorries (trucks, in American-speak) the French instead propose to put the dead bodies "on the table." Burying the dead would be "banned."
The French argue, "Trump's America is missing another opportunity, to feed its migrants."
"During WWII, millions of dead bodies went to waste. But we say "never again.' This time we vow to salvage everything possible."
"We urge President Trump to join this international programme to save humanity, by eating humanity."
"Let's work together to turn this mass murder thing,, around for the benefit of all mankind."
Inspiration for this programme was found at the 2018 Vinter Games of the Olympics, in Korea. Sources indicate they don't let a dog go to waste, and somebody suggested 'what about humans?'
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So you managed to score a weapon at some random auto-parts store. That sounds fairly back-alley to me. That is not at all the point. Restricting sales to minors does not affect the black market. So then, what does it hurt? If it has no effect, then just do it. Who cares?
So the restriction only impact those who are concerned with following the laws.
A person who decides to shoot other people obviously isn't concerned with following the laws.
If your goal is to stop the obvious law breaker, more laws is not the answer. It only makes the law abiding with few choices for self defenses.
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If your goal is to stop the obvious law breaker, more laws is not the answer. It only makes the law abiding with few choices for self defenses.
We live in a country and a time when that kind of common sense no longer exists or applies among the vast majority of the population.
They want what feels good and assuages their snowflake sensibilities.
If abolishing the Constitution makes this people feel safe and secure - then they will be all for it.
Because you know.... times have changed and so must we.
To hell with the selfish that refuse to surrender their rights so the snowflakes can feel safer.
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If they're going to raise the age limit at which you can legally purchase a rifle. Then Congress also needs raise the age at which you can serve in the military...drive a car and vote to the same age.
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:thumbsup:
If they're going to raise the age limit at which you can legally purchase a rifle. Then Congress also needs raise the age at which you can serve in the military...drive a car and vote to the same age.
:thumbsup:
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That is not what I am talking about. Do we want 12yr olds or 16yr olds to be able to BUY guns? It is about buying guns, not using them.
Of course. I bought and owned guns WAY before 18/21. What business do you have denying that?
How the hell do you intend to stop them from buying?
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There is always some jackass that ruins things for everyone. When I was a kid, I could not buy the glue for all the Revell kits I used to get for Christmas and my birthday.
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France has an interesting option. Instead of banning guns, or banning lorries (trucks, in American-speak) the French instead propose to put the dead bodies "on the table." Burying the dead would be "banned."
The French argue, "Trump's America is missing another opportunity, to feed its migrants."
"During WWII, millions of dead bodies went to waste. But we say "never again.' This time we vow to salvage everything possible."
"We urge President Trump to join this international programme to save humanity, by eating humanity."
"Let's work together to turn this mass murder thing,, around for the benefit of all mankind."
Inspiration for this programme was found at the 2018 Vinter Games of the Olympics, in Korea. Sources indicate they don't let a dog go to waste, and somebody suggested 'what about humans?'
Someone's been reading Jonathan Swift ;).
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There is always some jackass that ruins things for everyone. When I was a kid, I could not buy the glue for all the Revell kits I used to get for Christmas and my birthday.
#WhyWeCan'tHaveNiceThings
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Related to the discussion:
Existing federal and state laws concerning the permitted age for the purchase and possession of hand guns and long guns.
Minimum Age to Purchase & Possess
http://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-laws/policy-areas/who-can-have-a-gun/minimum-age/ (http://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-laws/policy-areas/who-can-have-a-gun/minimum-age/)
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Related to the discussion:
Existing federal and state laws concerning the permitted age for the purchase and possession of hand guns and long guns.
Minimum Age to Purchase & Possess
http://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-laws/policy-areas/who-can-have-a-gun/minimum-age/ (http://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-laws/policy-areas/who-can-have-a-gun/minimum-age/)
The people around Giffords should know better. Age and weapons aren’t the issue. She was shot by a known mentally ill person over 21 with a Glock 19. His history should have disqualified him from ownership of weapons at any age.
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NONE of all this macho bravado is relevant to my only point. Yes. I agree with all of you. When I was a kid, home alone, and hungry. I picked up a gun, got some food, and cooked and ate it. I did all that stuff just like you guys ("us") did. True story, my mom was actually mad that I didn't save any for her. You snooze, you lose. That's ok. I'll go get her one. She has to cook it herself.
That is not what I am talking about. Do we want 12yr olds or 16yr olds to be able to BUY guns? It is about buying guns, not using them.
This is not about shooting competitions or hunting. Do you want some pissed off kid to be able to go and buy a goddam Luger? That is an insane idea.
@240B
You are worried about a non-existent problem. Where the hell is a kid going to get the money to spend to buy a Luger or a AR-15? They don't have jobs,so any money they have they get from their parents.
Yeah,I am old enough to remember lusting after a 03 Springfield from the NRA through the mail for $12.95 in "new condition" when I was a 12 year old kid,but I couldn't even come up with $12.95,and there was no way in hell anybody was going to give it to me.
The days of $12.95 03's are long-gone and never to return.
Since "the state" in all it's wisdom determines that 16 year olds are mature enough to get a license to operate something a lot more dangerous than a rifle,why not set the age at 16,and since 16 year olds are still minors,make parental permission a requirement? We all know 16 year old kids who are responsible,and we all know 40 year olds we wouldn't trust to do anything but screw up.
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So you managed to score a weapon at some random auto-parts store. That sounds fairly back-alley to me. That is not at all the point. Restricting sales to minors does not affect the black market. So then, what does it hurt? If it has no effect, then just do it. Who cares?
@240B
You asked the wrong question. You should have asked "Since people who really want one can buy one on the black market,why bother to restrict sales to people legally?"
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You asked the wrong question. You should have asked "Since people who really want one can buy one on the black market,why bother to restrict sales to people legally?"
Because 'kids' generally don't have an auto-parts store nearby doling out automatic weapons. Yes. Mentally ill people can get them, of course. But that doesn't mean we can't be more careful. What 19 year old kid buys 10 weapons in a year.
Look, don't get me wrong. I'm with you guys. However, there are normal realistic changes we could make to stop children from being able to buy guns. I don't like kids with guns.
Put me on the anti kids with guns lobby. It is hard for me to understand the pro kids with guns people.
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aligncare wrote:
"Once the public at large large learns that an AR15 is only cosmetically different from virtually any other semi automatic rifle..."
This is never going to happen.
The AR has been around since the 1960's.
If a sizable contingency of "the public" doesn't understand what it is by now, they're never going to.
This gets WORSE with the younger mushheads, because they've been indoctrinated by the leftist-communist "public education system" that a "black rifle" is some kind of souped up murder machine -- just because it's black.
Again, this line of reasoning is a dead ender.
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aligncare wrote:
"Once the public at large large learns that an AR15 is only cosmetically different from virtually any other semi automatic rifle..."
This is never going to happen.
The AR has been around since the 1960's.
If a sizable contingency of "the public" doesn't understand what it is by now, they're never going to.
This gets WORSE with the younger mushheads, because they've been indoctrinated by the leftist-communist "public education system" that a "black rifle" is some kind of souped up murder machine -- just because it's black.
Again, this line of reasoning is a dead ender.
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You obviously have never lived or worked on a ranch or farm. Weapons are necessary, even in the hands of a 13 year old. Blanket top down rules make little sense.
Yes, but on a farm or ranch, the 13 year old will be armed by his or her parents. A ban on, say, under 21's buying semiautomatic weapons is not the same as a ban on under 21's being issued those weapons by their parents.
In Britain drinking laws limit the age at which one can buy beer, wine or spirits (with different ages), without the nonsense about not being able to serve alcoholic beverages to older children. Families sometimes go to the pub and the parents buy a round of beer for the whole family, no problem.
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Because 'kids' generally don't have an auto-parts store nearby doling out automatic weapons.
@240B
Ok,to start,you misread the story. The kid didn't buy a gun at a auto parts store. He bought it at a flea market from a guy that was selling auto parts.
Further more,selling is NOT "doling out"
Yes. Mentally ill people can get them, of course. But that doesn't mean we can't be more careful. What 19 year old kid buys 10 weapons in a year.
What kid has enough money to buy 10 weapons a year? Did he buy them,or were they guns that belonged to his mother and father that he inherited? Yeah,it does make a difference.
Look, don't get me wrong. I'm with you guys. However, there are normal realistic changes we could make to stop children from being able to buy guns.
Children don't buy guns. They are children and don't have any money. In this case,the "child" you are talking about is a legal adult.
I don't like kids with guns.
Ok.
It is hard for me to understand the pro kids with guns people.
I may be wrong,but I suspect most of them were like me,and have been owning guns since they were children. I got my first guy when I was 8. A double barrel 12 gauge with hammers on it that used to belong to my grandfather.
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aligncare wrote:
@Fishrrman
This gets WORSE with the younger mushheads, because they've been indoctrinated by the leftist-communist "public education system" that a "black rifle" is some kind of souped up murder machine -- just because it's black.
Dat bees racist,'n shit.
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@240B
@sneakypete
Ok,to start,you misread the story. The kid didn't buy a gun at a auto parts store. He bought it at a flea market from a guy that was selling auto parts.
This statement is not helping your argument. lol funny stuff. haaha
The rest of what you said...I agree.
The kid was a freaking nutcase with very, very, Liberal parents. Who knows where those guns came from? Or the money?
Further more,selling is NOT "doling out"
What kid has enough money to buy 10 weapons a year? Did he buy them,or were they guns that belonged to his mother and father that he inherited? Yeah,it does make a difference.
Children don't buy guns. They are children and don't have any money. In this case,the "child" you are talking about is a legal adult.
Ok.
I may be wrong,but I suspect most of them were like me,and have been owning guns since they were children. I got my first guy when I was 8. A double barrel 12 gauge with hammers on it that used to belong to my grandfather.
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Because 'kids' generally don't have an auto-parts store nearby doling out automatic weapons. Yes. Mentally ill people can get them, of course. But that doesn't mean we can't be more careful. What 19 year old kid buys 10 weapons in a year.
Look, don't get me wrong. I'm with you guys. However, there are normal realistic changes we could make to stop children from being able to buy guns. I don't like kids with guns.
Put me on the anti kids with guns lobby. It is hard for me to understand the pro kids with guns people.
you mean semiauto, right?
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you mean semiauto, right?
@IsailedawayfromFR
Yes. You are correct. I conflate the two because I tend to use them the same way. They seem like the same thing to me. Although, semi auto do use less ammunition. I did notice that.
Anything that you don't have to cock the hammer, or manually chamber a round, in my mind that is what I call an automatic weapon. It is a semantic thing that I can't seem to overcome.
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This statement is not helping your argument. lol funny stuff. haaha[/size]
@240B
You don't know the difference between an auto parts store and a flea market,and *I* am the one that is funny?
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what part of "shall not be infringed" do they not understand? of course in today's courts, those are just meaningless words on an old parchment.
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My 2 cents. As an NRA member and an owner of an AR I find nothing wrong with the age 21 proposal. With the exception being military. And there is nothing stopping the parent from being the buyer and gifter of the AR to their child, who would or should be the best judge of the child's maturity. Most of us gun owners got our first gun in that way.
Not all privileges of being adult begin at 18. Can't drink or visit a Casino until 21. Run for Congress until 25, and Senate age 30. President? Age 35. With age comes more responsibility and accountability. But there will always be those who will accept no gun laws as constitutional.
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The prooblem isn't the man's age. It's not whether he bought the gun at an auto parts store or a flea market. The issue is he made numerous threats of violence, had a history of mental illness both of which the police were notified of and they did nothing.
This isn't a gun problem it's a govt agencies didn't do their job problem.
Oh and if you conflate automatic and semi automatic when it comes to firearms you are not qualified to have an opinion on gun control.
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The prooblem isn't the man's age. It's not whether he bought the gun at an auto parts store or a flea market. The issue is he made numerous threats of violence, had a history of mental illness both of which the police were notified of and they did nothing.
This isn't a gun problem it's a govt agencies didn't do their job problem.
Oh and if you conflate automatic and semi automatic when it comes to firearms you are not qualified to have an opinion on gun control.
@driftdiver @240B
And there you have it. Especially the last sentence. If you don't know what you are talking about,your opinion doesn't matter,and you don't even know the difference between an auto parts store and a flea market,but think you are wise enough to tell the rest of us that your opinions are more important than facts when it comes to passing and enforcing laws that affect us.
That's "group hug,group hug!" territory you are coming from 240B.
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Oh and if you conflate automatic and semi automatic when it comes to firearms you are not qualified to have an opinion on gun control.
@driftdiver
Ok. I humbly bow to your superior knowledge. One question. And this is not sarcastic or snide or anything like that. I really would like to know what you think about the M16A4 set to 3 round burst. Is that automatic or semiauto?
Again, this is not a joke. I would enjoy knowing your opinion. For real.
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@driftdiver
Ok. I humbly bow to your superior knowledge. One question. And this is not sarcastic or snide or anything like that. I really would like to know what you think about the M16A4 set to 3 round burst. Is that automatic or semiauto?
Again, this is not a joke. I would enjoy knowing your opinion. For real.
@240B
Legally and mechanically any firearm that fires more then one round with one pull of the trigger is automatic.
Personally I hate the 3 round feature. It compensates for a lack of training.
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@driftdiver
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Is a Gatling gun automatic or semi automatic. ~200 rounds per minute 3 rounds per second. Please enlighten me. Because I think the definition is somewhat subjective. But that is just me because I am stupid in that way.
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@driftdiver
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ageofempires/images/0/0e/180px-Gatling_gun.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20141005012230)
Is a Gatling gun automatic or semi automatic. ~200 rounds per minute 3 rounds per second. Please enlighten me. Because I think the definition is somewhat subjective. But that is just me because I am stupid in that way.
@240B
You can actually look that up on the BATF website I believe. Not gonna play that game with you.
This isn't a gun problem despite what all the progressives say.
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@240B
Legally and mechanically any firearm that fires more then one round with one pull of the trigger is automatic.
Personally I hate the 3 round feature. It compensates for a lack of training.
@driftdiver
Thank you for your response.
The M16A1 had full auto. It was issued in Vietnam. But that's when the Army discovered the 'spray and pray' syndrome. When the soldiers would contact enemy, being justifiably afraid and jittery, they would use up all their ammo in seconds. Then it was bayonets, grenades, or run like hell.
That is where the 3 round burst came from. It was deliberate by the Army to keep the soldiers from spaying all their ammo in a matter of minutes. The Army wanted them to slow down, to identify the target, and to shoot with deliberate intent.
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@driftdiver
Thank you for your response.
The M16A1 had full auto. It was issued in Vietnam. But that's when the Army discovered the 'spray and pray' syndrome. When the soldiers would contact enemy, being justifiably afraid and jittery, they would use up all their ammo in seconds. Then it was bayonets, grenades, or run like hell.
That is where the 3 round burst came from. It was deliberate by the Army to keep the soldiers from spaying all their ammo in a matter of minutes. The Army wanted them to slow down, to identify the target, and to shoot with deliberate intent.
@240B
In other words the added it because it was cheaper to do that then properly train the soldiers.
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@240B
In other words the added it because it was cheaper to do that then properly train the soldiers.
@driftdiver
Training? Come on. It's the Army. Training is minimal even today.
Q: Can you shoot a rifle?
A: Yeah, I think so.
That's good enough boy. Suit up, Get your rifle, and Get on the plane.
When you talk about SEALs, SF, Green Berets, SPEC OPS, and the like, that is a different story.
Reg Army have always been dogface joes.
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@IsailedawayfromFR
Yes. You are correct. I conflate the two because I tend to use them the same way. They seem like the same thing to me. Although, semi auto do use less ammunition. I did notice that.
Anything that you don't have to cock the hammer, or manually chamber a round, in my mind that is what I call an automatic weapon. It is a semantic thing that I can't seem to overcome.
Visit a gun range that rents both. You won't ever confuse the two again if you shoot both. Worlds of difference.
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My 2 cents. As an NRA member and an owner of an AR I find nothing wrong with the age 21 proposal. With the exception being military. And there is nothing stopping the parent from being the buyer and gifter of the AR to their child, who would or should be the best judge of the child's maturity. Most of us gun owners got our first gun in that way.
Not all privileges of being adult begin at 18. Can't drink or visit a Casino until 21. Run for Congress until 25, and Senate age 30. President? Age 35. With age comes more responsibility and accountability. But there will always be those who will accept no gun laws as constitutional.
Nearly every state has their own laws about ages for purchasing and possessing hand guns and long guns. It should not be the role of the federal government to over-ride the state laws.
And if California want a set of rules different than Wyoming, good for them.
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@driftdiver
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ageofempires/images/0/0e/180px-Gatling_gun.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20141005012230)
Is a Gatling gun automatic or semi automatic. ~200 rounds per minute 3 rounds per second. Please enlighten me. Because I think the definition is somewhat subjective. But that is just me because I am stupid in that way.
If each round fired requires an mechanical action by the shooter, it is not an automatic.
The Gatling gun has been around for 150 years. I don't see any reporting of them being used in crimes, attacking crowds, etc... Tell about all the crimes you have seen them used in.
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Nearly every state has their own laws about ages for purchasing and possessing hand guns and long guns. It should not be the role of the federal government to over-ride the state laws.
And if California want a set of rules different than Wyoming, good for them.
The last sentence in bold is exactly right, except for two conflicting reasons:
1) it is explicitly contrary to a stated right within the Constitution, and
2) it is the very reason anti-gun advocates are pushing a national agenda because they know states that follow the second amendment would allow overspill into those that don't, just like fireworks or cigarettes and booze with lower taxes.
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@driftdiver
That is where the 3 round burst came from. It was deliberate by the Army to keep the soldiers from spaying all their ammo in a matter of minutes. The Army wanted them to slow down, to identify the target, and to shoot with deliberate intent.
No,it came from some asshat bureaucrat in uniform who had never spent a freaking single day of his life as an infantryman. I know of no weapon issued to the US military that was so universally hated at that piece of crap. It was all about somebody showing his authority. Special Forces,for one,refused to accept or issue it. I suspect more than one infantry division did also. It didn't last very long because it ended up getting people killed for no reason at all. You need a 3 position selector switch with Safe,Semi,and Auto positions because there are times when each are needed. There is NEVER a time when a 3 round burst is needed.
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@driftdiver
Training? Come on. It's the Army. Training is minimal even today.
Q: Can you shoot a rifle?
A: Yeah, I think so.
That's good enough boy. Suit up, Get your rifle, and Get on the plane.
When you talk about SEALs, SF, Green Berets, SPEC OPS, and the like, that is a different story.
Reg Army have always been dogface joes.
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5JVbo5EL2w#)
@240B
Your screen name is 240B and you spout THAT nonsense? There has only recently been a proposal to cut back on weapons training for people being trained for non-combat MOS's,but AFAIK the US Army and the USMC still spend a significant amount of time in basic doing weapons training. Those who do go on to combat arms MOS's get more training at their next duty station of course,but everybody knows the basics when they graduate from basic or they don't graduate.
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@240B
Your screen name is 240B and you spout THAT nonsense? There has only recently been a proposal to cut back on weapons training for people being trained for non-combat MOS's,but AFAIK the US Army and the USMC still spend a significant amount of time in basic doing weapons training. Those who do go on to combat arms MOS's get more training at their next duty station of course,but everybody knows the basics when they graduate from basic or they don't graduate.
@sneakypete
It's a joke boy, I say, I say, a joke. I know what training happens and yes it varies greatly by MOS. I was just making a joke son. Get with the program.