The Briefing Room
General Category => Economy/Business => Topic started by: libertybele on May 09, 2023, 12:12:55 am
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How much went to Ukraine??? How much went to protect our border??
Federal government under Biden runs $928,000,000,000 deficit in just 7 months
The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) revealed the federal government under President Biden has run a near-$1 trillion federal deficit in the "first seven months of fiscal year 2023."
CBO’s report dropped on Monday, giving lawmakers insight into the current state of the federal deficit.
The nonpartisan agency found that in the first seven months of FY2023 alone, the federal government has racked up $928,000,000,000.
"The federal budget deficit was $928 billion in the first seven months of fiscal year 2023, the Congressional Budget Office estimates—$568 billion more than the shortfall recorded during the same period last year," CBO wrote on Monday.
"Revenues were 10 percent lower and outlays were 8 percent higher from October through April than they were during the same period in fiscal year 2022," the agency continued.
CBO wrote that shifts "in the timing of certain payments affect that comparison.".............
https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?action=post;board=10.0
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That's $928 billion in inflationary cash that got created out of thin air and dumped into the economy. Or another way of looking at it, that is $928 billion in value that was stolen from everyone through higher prices.
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Well,it costs a lot of money to import voters into the US,register them to vote,provide them with food,housing,medical care,welfare,and a ride to the polling places on election day.
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That's $928 billion in inflationary cash that got created out of thin air and dumped into the economy. Or another way of looking at it, that is $928 billion in value that was stolen from everyone through higher prices.
And this is why those of us who call ourselves conservatives on this board emphasize debts and deficits over the protests of the Trump populists. If you want to see an example of were our current fiscal situation is taking us, Argentina and Greece are our future if we continue down this path.
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Well,it costs a lot of money to import voters into the US,register them to vote,provide them with food,housing,medical care,welfare,and a ride to the polling places on election day.
You believe the reason we have such an out of control debt and deficits is because of illegal immigration????
In fact, based on your posting history, if the article was the same, but it was Trump instead of Biden, you would be defending the spending
At least, I hope this gives you Trump populists some understanding why conservatives emphasize controlling spending and it isn’t about “me, me ME DAMMIT!” Lol
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And this is why those of us who call ourselves conservatives on this board emphasize debts and deficits over the protests of the Trump populists. If you want to see an example of were our current fiscal situation is taking us, Argentina and Greece are our future if we continue down this path.
@LMAO
OK,I'll bite.
HOW is Rude Orange Man responsible for this? Not only is he NOT the President,he isn't even a congresscritter.
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OK,I'll bite.
HOW is Rude Orange Man responsible for this? Not only is he NOT the President,he isn't even a congresscritter.
@sneakypete
TWENTY FRIGGIN TRILLION DOLLARS.
Next.
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You believe the reason we have such an out of control debt and deficits is because of illegal immigration????
In fact, based on your posting history, if the article was the same, but it was Trump instead of Biden, you would be defending the spending
At least, I hope this gives you Trump populists some understanding why conservatives emphasize controlling spending and it isn’t about “me, me ME DAMMIT!” Lol
@LMAO
Yeah,what the hell,why don't we just ignore it,right?
Trump lives rent-free in your head 24/7,doesn't he?
Then again,there seems to be plenty of room and plenty of air in there,so why not?
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@LMAO
Yeah,what the hell,why don't we just ignore it,right?
Trump lives rent-free in your head 24/7,doesn't he?
Then again,there seems to be plenty of room and plenty of air in there,so why not?
I just call out hypocrisy when I see it. Whenever there’s any condemnation of Donald Trump when it comes to our debt, you either make excuses for him, or tell other posters they are selfish for wanting to cut spending
But now that it’s Joe Biden doing the same thing,the debt and deficit is suddenly a concern of yours
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I just call out hypocrisy when I see it. Whenever there’s any condemnation of Donald Trump, when it comes to our debt, you either make excuses for him, or tell other posters they are selfish for wanting to cut spending
But now that it’s Joe Biden doing the same thing,the debt and deficit is suddenly a concern of yours
:thumbsup:
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@LMAO
OK,I'll bite.
HOW is Rude Orange Man responsible for this? Not only is he NOT the President,he isn't even a congresscritter.
Well, let’s use your argument. You claimed that the out-of-control spending under Trump was all there before he got into office. So then why don’t we apply the same standard to to Biden?
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Well, let’s use your argument. You claimed that the out-of-control spending under Trump was all there before he got into office. So then why don’t we apply the same standard to to Biden?
:bingo:
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Well, let’s use your argument. You claimed that the out-of-control spending under Trump was all there before he got into office. So then why don’t we apply the same standard to to Biden?
But . . . but . . . but that's differnt.
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Timeline of US Debt- (I generously exptrapolated where needed
1st Trillion 1790-1982 - 192 yrs.
2nd Trillion 1982-1986- 4 yrs.
3rd Trillion 1986- 1990- 4 yrs.
4th Trillion- 1990- 1992- 3 yrs.
5th Trillion- 1993-1996- 3 yrs.
6th Trillion- 1997- 2001- 4 yrs.
7th Trillion- 2001- 2004- 3 yrs
8th Trillion- 2004- 2005- 1yr.
9th Trillion- 2005-2007- 2 yrs,
10th Trillion- 2007-2008- 1 yr.
11th Trillion- 2008-2008 6 mo.
12th Trillion- 2008-2009- 6 mo.
13th Trillion- 2010 -5 mo.
14th Trillion- 2010-2011- 5 mo.
15th Trillion- 2011-2012- 4 mo.
16th Trillion- 2012- 3 mo.
17th Trillion- 2012-2013- 15 mo.
18th Trillion- 2014-2015 -13 mo.
19th Trillion- 2015-2016- 9 mo.
20th Trillion- 2016-2017- 8 mo.
21st Trillion- 2017-2018- 11 mo.
Article I found with the data ended. But if you further extrapolate an addtional $10T over 5 years that means we add about another "T" per every 6 months.
Anyone wonder why the cliff is near?
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Timeline of US Debt- (I generously exptrapolated where needed
1st Trillion 1790-1982 - 192 yrs.
2nd Trillion 1982-1986- 4 yrs.
3rd Trillion 1986- 1990- 4 yrs.
4th Trillion- 1990- 1992- 3 yrs.
5th Trillion- 1993-1996- 3 yrs.
6th Trillion- 1997- 2001- 4 yrs.
7th Trillion- 2001- 2004- 3 yrs
8th Trillion- 2004- 2005- 1yr.
9th Trillion- 2005-2007- 2 yrs,
10th Trillion- 2007-2008- 1 yr.
11th Trillion- 2008-2008 6 mo.
12th Trillion- 2008-2009- 6 mo.
13th Trillion- 2010 -5 mo.
14th Trillion- 2010-2011- 5 mo.
15th Trillion- 2011-2012- 4 mo.
16th Trillion- 2012- 3 mo.
17th Trillion- 2012-2013- 15 mo.
18th Trillion- 2014-2015 -13 mo.
19th Trillion- 2015-2016- 9 mo.
20th Trillion- 2016-2017- 8 mo.
21st Trillion- 2017-2018- 11 mo.
Article I found with the data ended. But if you further extrapolate an addtional $10T over 5 years that means we add about another "T" per every 6 months.
Anyone wonder why the cliff is near?
And this is why Donald Trump cannot get anywhere near the White House again. We all knew that when it came to spending, Joe Biden was going to be a complete disaster. But that doesn’t mean it’s going be any different if the out of control spending has an “R” label behind it. Donald Trump has not only not found religion on spending from his first four years, he’s promising to be even worse.
If someone wants a “bomb thrower” in the White House, there’s no more devastating bomb to throw than currency devaluation and fiscal insolvency.
So I’m not surprised that under Biden, our fiscal situation is getting much worse. But there’s no compelling argument you can give me why I should vote for somebody that promises, if elected, to continue that.
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Well, let’s use your argument. You claimed that the out-of-control spending under Trump was all there before he got into office. So then why don’t we apply the same standard to to Biden?
@LMAO
Uhhhh,maybe because Biden represents a cabal of both Dim and RINO career politicians who are destroying the country for personal power and profits. You,and people like you,seem happy to ignore this,while dumping on Trump for not clearing the situation up in one term.
Not that he,or anyone else is capable of doing that. We didn't get to where we are overnight,and we are not going to escape that destiny overnight.
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@LMAO
Uhhhh,maybe because Biden represents a cabal of both Dim and RINO career politicians who are destroying the country for personal power and profits. You,and people like you,seem happy to ignore this,while dumping on Trump for not clearing the situation up in one term.
Not that he,or anyone else is capable of doing that. We didn't get to where we are overnight,and we are not going to escape that destiny overnight.
This reply does not address your blatant hypocrisy when it comes to this issue. Trump made little to no attempt to clear this situation up and is promising to be worse on this issue in a second term
You’ve defended Trump on the spending. Even made the nonsensical claim that he wasn’t responsible for any of the spending on his watch as that spending was already agreed upon before he got into office. Trump was not an island of fiscal responsibility surrounded by big spenders. In fact, he stated we should keep borrowing because interest rates were low.
So, based on the claim you yourself made, Biden is not responsible for the deficits as that was already agreed upon by the previous administration
It’s a claim you’ve made, not I
So spin anyway you want. Blame others for pointing out your hypocrisy and assign people positions they themselves haven’t taken if it makes you feel any better. But your posting history gives you away
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This reply does not address your blatant hypocrisy when it comes to this issue. Trump made little to no attempt to clear this situation up and is promising to be worse on this issue in a second term
You’ve defended Trump on the spending. Even made the nonsensical claim that he wasn’t responsible for any of the spending on his watch as that spending was already agreed upon before he got into office. Trump was not an island of fiscal responsibility surrounded by big spenders. In fact, he stated we should keep borrowing because interest rates were low.
So, based on the claim you yourself made, Biden is not responsible for the deficits as that was already agreed upon by the previous administration
It’s a claim you’ve made, not I
So spin anyway you want. Blame others for pointing out your hypocrisy and assign people positions they themselves haven’t taken if it makes you feel any better. But your posting history gives you away
@LMAO
You just go ahead and keep supporting the status quo,the same political creatures and their clones that got us in the position we are in now,if that is what gives you the warm and fuzzies.
Just don't try to keep selling us the lie that you want change. You don't.
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@LMAO
You just go ahead and keep supporting the status quo,the same political creatures and their clones that got us in the position we are in now,if that is what gives you the warm and fuzzies.
Just don't try to keep selling us the lie that you want change. You don't.
This reply still does not address your hypocrisy on the spending issue. I simply pointed out a position that you have taken in the past when it comes to Trump on spending.
Your nonsensical position that Trump wasn’t responsible for the debt because those were all spending bills that were agreed-upon by a former president and congress was the position you took.
You’ve also attacked members who have stated the need to cut and control spending
But now that it’s on Biden’s watch that spending is getting out of control, you sure are changing your tune real quick. All of a sudden, fiscal issues concern you. Myself and others have not changed our position on deficits and spending
I can easily find your posting history that confirms this if you’d like me to
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This reply still does not address your hypocrisy on the spending issue. I simply pointed out a position that you have taken in the past when it comes to Trump on spending.
Your nonsensical position that Trump wasn’t responsible for the debt because those were all spending bills that were agreed-upon by a former president and congress was the position you took.
You’ve also attacked members who have stated the need to cut and control spending
But now that it’s on Biden’s watch that spending is getting out of control, you sure are changing your tune real quick. All of a sudden, fiscal issues concern you. Myself and others have not changed our position on deficits and spending
I can easily find your posting history that confirms this if you’d like me to
@LMAO
You misunderstand. I am merely critical of your entire focus on spending. It is the "be all and end all" of your political mindset,and while it IS a serious issue,it ain't the whole package.
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@LMAO
Uhhhh,maybe because Biden represents a cabal of both Dim and RINO career politicians who are destroying the country for personal power and profits. You,and people like you,seem happy to ignore this,while dumping on Trump for not clearing the situation up in one term.
Not that he,or anyone else is capable of doing that. We didn't get to where we are overnight,and we are not going to escape that destiny overnight.
Are you insane? Clearing it up? He has and was the worst offending budget busting POTUS in US history. You have gone off the rails, and I feel sorry for you in that you don't have any basic understanding of the most simple of tenants of fiscal responsibility.
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@LMAO
You misunderstand. I am merely critical of your entire focus on spending. It is the "be all and end all" of your political mindset,and while it IS a serious issue,it ain't the whole package.
You’re trying to desperately change the subject…lol. Your first post was rightfully critical of the out-of-control spending under the Biden regime. Yet you have a history of defending Donald Trump on the same issue.
I just simply called you out on your hypocrisy on spending. When Biden engages in the out of control spending, you don’t seem to particularly like that.
But when Trump does it, he’s either the victim, or we’re all selfish for wanting to control spending. You can’t run away from your posting history.
You can’t have it both ways. Maybe you can explain to us why Biden inceasing our debt the way he has is better or worse than Trump doing it. This should be good.
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Are you insane? Clearing it up? He has and was the worst offending budget busting POTUS in US history. You have gone off the rails, and I feel sorry for you in that you don't have any basic understanding of the most simple of tenants of fiscal responsibility.
Actually, his posts on this subject is exactly the problem that happens in Washington DC. The party out of power is the party that’s concerned about spending issues. Once a party gets into power, then any fiscal responsibility seems to go out the window.
I can understand voting for a politician because you like a particular position they take. But it’s the “everything they do is good” is the problem
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Actually, his posts on this subject is exactly the problem that happens in Washington DC. The party out of power is the party that’s concerned about spending issues. Once a party gets into power, then any fiscal responsibility seems to go out the window.
I can understand voting for a politician because you like a particular position they take. But it’s the “everything they do is good” is the problem
I am in concurrence that deficit spending has been a uni-party issue since the Reagan era. But anyone claiming that DJT had no complicity has no credibility with me.
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I am in concurrence that deficit spending has been a uni-party issue since the Reagan era. But anyone claiming that DJT had no complicity has no credibility with me.
I had the same debate with an Obama backer on this very issue several years ago. They blasted all the money that we spent and borrowed under George Bush, yet made every excuse in the world for Barack Obama.
But they could never truly explain why one was better or worse than the other. It’s maddening. But it illustrates what we’re up against
MAGAs are like Obama-ites in more ways than not
If one’s position is that unsustainable spending isn’t that big of an issue, then what is? History shows what happens to countries that continue on the path we’re on. And bomb throwing doesn’t fix that.
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@LMAO
You misunderstand. I am merely critical of your entire focus on spending. It is the "be all and end all" of your political mindset,and while it IS a serious issue,it ain't the whole package.
YES, in fact, it IS, @sneakypete
Take away their money, and you take away their power. Take away their power and the government gets smaller. Small government cannot be intrusive. Small government is scared of its constituents.
Any and every other issue is contained within that rubric.
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Furthermore shrinking government stops spending, which stops printing money, which begins to heal the dollar. A strong dollar defeats inflation. A strong dollar is purchasing power.
There is no downside to small government.
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There is no downside to small government.
@roamer_1
Except if you are a politician.
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@roamer_1
Except if you are a politician.
Suits me fine. happy77
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Furthermore shrinking government stops spending, which stops printing money, which begins to heal the dollar. A strong dollar defeats inflation. A strong dollar is purchasing power.
There is no downside to small government.
:yowsa:
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In for a penny, in for a trillion dollars ...
The establishment Republicans only feign fiscal conservatism when there isn't a Republican President. They only re-acquainted themselves with "fiscal conservatism" AFTER Bush '43 and Trump '45 left office.
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In for a penny, in for a trillion dollars ...
The establishment Republicans only feign fiscal conservatism [...]
THAT needs no more...
AGREED.
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YES, in fact, it IS, @sneakypete
Take away their money, and you take away their power. Take away their power and the government gets smaller. Small government cannot be intrusive. Small government is scared of its constituents.
Any and every other issue is contained within that rubric.
Yeah but that issue is not as important as “throwing bombs” wink777
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Yeah but that issue is not as important as “throwing bombs” wink777
You wanna throw a bomb? Throw a spending cap at HALF of GNP, with a 15% reduction year over year.
That's a bomb for ya.
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You wanna throw a bomb? Throw a spending cap at HALF of GNP, with a 15% reduction year over year.
That's a bomb for ya.
But then how are we going to pay for these MAGA cities and MAGA breeding bonuses?
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But then how are we going to pay for these MAGA cities and MAGA breeding bonuses?
Shit out of luck I guess... :shrug: Have to go back to the old way of living within our means. :whistle:
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Bearing in mind of course, that HALF of GNP is still orders of magnitude too much.
But it's a start.
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"There is no downside to small government."
That is something NO member of this forum will live to see again.
Further, it is something that no great-great grandchild of any member of this forum will see again.
Fishrrman's credo:
Reality is what it is. It is not what we believe it to be.
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"There is no downside to small government."
That is something NO member of this forum will live to see again.
Further, it is something that no great-great grandchild of any member of this forum will see again.
Fishrrman's credo:
Reality is what it is. It is not what we believe it to be.
I am not so sure of that... Things can turn on a dime, and the pendulum swings.
Besides, it is the only hope there is left to us. :shrug:
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Are you insane? Clearing it up? He has and was the worst offending budget busting POTUS in US history. You have gone off the rails, and I feel sorry for you in that you don't have any basic understanding of the most simple of tenants of fiscal responsibility.
@catfish1957
And I feel sorry for anyone who thinks budgets are the prime concern,or that ANYBODY can "fix" that problem in even two terms of office.
After all,it is Congress that approves budgets,not Presidents. Presidents just sign them or refuse to sign them,and refusing to sign them can lead to tragedies of all sorts,as the left spends all the money available to expand their goals,and no money gets spent on anything else.
But then,you know that and just don't give a damn about it because it is all about "Me,ME,ME,DAMMIT!" with people like you.
FIRST we have to take back control from the globalist lunatics trying to destroy our independent nation and way of like,and THEN we can start working on the fixes. Granted,the budget is one of the "biggies" that will demand immediate attention,but no RINO of your choice is going to do a damn thing about it.
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You’re trying to desperately change the subject…lol. Your first post was rightfully critical of the out-of-control spending under the Biden regime. Yet you have a history of defending Donald Trump on the same issue.
I just simply called you out on your hypocrisy on spending.
@LMAO
BullBush! Trump served ONE term as President,and one term is NOT enough to reverse the spending and vote-buying of Congress. You know that,and don't give a squat because ALL you care about is keeping "Rude Orange Rich Man" out of the WH because you don't like his manners.
Given a choice between him and Biden,you would probably pick Biden and then come up with some bizarre excuse for doing so.
When Biden engages in the out of control spending, you don’t seem to particularly like that.
When HASN'T he engaged in excessive spending? BTW,it is NOT "out of control spending" because Congress controls the spending,and they approved his budgets. Since you have a one track mind,it would be better served by focusing on Congress instead of even Biden,never mind Trump,who "inherited" a budget when elected.
But when Trump does it, he’s either the victim, or we’re all selfish for wanting to control spending. You can’t run away from your posting history.
You flatter yourself. You just hate Trump because he is wealthy and rude.
You can’t have it both ways. Maybe you can explain to us why Biden inceasing our debt the way he has is better or worse than Trump doing it. This should be good.
Maybe YOU can explain to me when Trump did this. Taking note of spending bills already signed when he entered office don't count,and you know it. His only option would have been to shut down the country,and we ALL know how well you and the other fiscal loons would have LOVED that opportunity to blame the economic crash on him.
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I am in concurrence that deficit spending has been a uni-party issue since the Reagan era. But anyone claiming that DJT had no complicity has no credibility with me.
@catfish1957
Yet anyone claiming that Trump didn't have total control over spending in his one term in office makes your head explode.
Can you say "class jealousy"?
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I had the same debate with an Obama backer on this very issue several years ago. They blasted all the money that we spent and borrowed under George Bush, yet made every excuse in the world for Barack Obama.
But they could never truly explain why one was better or worse than the other. It’s maddening. But it illustrates what we’re up against
MAGAs are like Obama-ites in more ways than not
If one’s position is that unsustainable spending isn’t that big of an issue, then what is? History shows what happens to countries that continue on the path we’re on. And bomb throwing doesn’t fix that.
@LMAO
Talk about "simple-minded"!
Incoming Presidents INHERIT a budget,and there is damn little they can do about it,or even the next budget if Congress is controlled by the opposition party.
You want to make economic change,go after congresscritters because THEY are the ones that approve the budgets.
But.....,you already know that and just don't give a damn because you want to demonize "Rich Orange Man".
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"https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,499155.msg2828144.html#msg2828144"
"Federal Government under Biden runs $928,000,000,000 deficit in just 7 months"
Maybe some of you rabid "Rude Orange Man" haters need to take a look at the heading for this thread. If it confuses you because Trump isn't mentioned,get some middle-school child to explain it to you.
The mere FACT that you would spend all your focus condemning Trump,who isn't even the President,on a thread like this proves you are loons who just hate him because he is rich.
Class envy is NEVER pretty.
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YES, in fact, it IS, @sneakypete
Take away their money, and you take away their power. Take away their power and the government gets smaller. Small government cannot be intrusive. Small government is scared of its constituents.
Any and every other issue is contained within that rubric.
@roamer_1
IF you are serious about this,which I sincerely doubt because I know you are not stupid,you would be condeming Congress for this,not a one term President that isn't even in office anymore.
If you would spend even HALF as much time and energy condemning Biden,who IS in office right now,as you do Trump,your biases wouldn't be as obvious.
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Yeah but that issue is not as important as “throwing bombs” wink777
@LMAO
Then why do you continue to do it?
Trump isn't even the President,and you and those like you spend most of your time condemning him instead of Biden.
The reason for this is evident to anyone who is not blind. Class envy. Trump inherited a fortune,and you will never get over that.
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But then how are we going to pay for these MAGA cities and MAGA breeding bonuses?
@LMAO
I dunno.
Remind me when they became law.
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@catfish1957
And I feel sorry for anyone who thinks budgets are the prime concern,or that ANYBODY can "fix" that problem in even two terms of office.
Every dollar appropriated by Congress gets spent by the Executive Branch. The President is the head of that branch. In other words, he is in charge of spending the money that Congress appropriates. So 'hell yes', someone can fix that problem. And they can fix it in one year.
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@roamer_1
IF you are serious about this,which I sincerely doubt because I know you are not stupid,you would be condeming Congress for this,not a one term President that isn't even in office anymore.
If you would spend even HALF as much time and energy condemning Biden,who IS in office right now,as you do Trump,your biases wouldn't be as obvious.
@sneakypete
OF COURSE I am serious. This is kitchen table sh*t. How much power do YOU have when all your fun-tickets are gone and you're dipping into the jar on top of the fridge to afford some beans and rice? Is that when you haul out the already overloaded credit cards and decide to have a blowout vacation? Or is that when you start pinching pennies and cutting services, shrinking your activities to allow yourself to afford only the most vital things, until your circumstances change?
Any entity does the very same. Or it will fail.
As to congress being to blame, That is certainly true - And that has been admitted over and over. But Tumpy did NOTHING to curtail it... Signing every single porkulous bill right on through. Not a peep. In fact, I remember him saying folks would have to get used to 'budgets' in the trillions instead of billions... Like it's a matter of fact.
Had he used his veto power you'd have a leg to stand upon. Had he created efficiencies to save money in his execution of what Congress had authorized, you'd have a point - But he didn't.
He spent at TWICE the rate of Obummer, and to this date spent more than any president in history. There is NO WAY to defend that.
As for Bidet, your hypocrisy is palpable. Why is it now that Bidet can be blamed, when it is still Congress who holds the purse? Why is it that the things forged during Tumpy's administration and carried forward are not counted, holding Bidet blameless, as you defend Tumpy?
Why don't I criticize the Democrats and Bidet? I DO. I despise them. But they are doing precisely as expected. This is what they do - They are all about central authority, huge spending boondoggles, and curtailing rights. It's what they DO.
But Tumpy and the Republicans beat them at their own game - Spending MORE than Democrats. Growing MORE government... Curtailing MORE rights.
THAT is why I am so offended. The betrayal of Conservative principles was so egregious and so profound that it is utterly indefensible.
Republicans are SUPPOSED to fight for small government and fiscal sanity. Republicans are SUPPOSED to fight to preserve our rights and keep us free of a burgeoning federal state.
Betrayal. Flat out betrayal. Sonsabiches, every one. Including Tumpy, who is as big government (read 'liberal, progressive') as they come.
That's a hard line right there. Bright as the sun. Step over that line into supporting big government, and you have betrayed the very root of American greatness, founded foremost in small government and libertarianism. Not merely flirting around the edges to be overlooked... This is flat out overturning Americanism. Against America. Betrayal of every promise, because you are attacking the very root of all of it.
THAT's why I am far harder on Republicans supporting big government. They are the only defender AGAINST big government. And you would have me ignore their insipid refusal to pick up the sword and fight as they have sworn and blame democrats. But Republicans, outside of foolish partisanship, are the very same damn thing.
The liberals are winning.
Not by merit, as they have no merit.
They are winning because they have no opposition.
And you're alright with that if you defend a big government Republican. There is no excuse.
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@sneakypete
The liberals are winning.
Not by merit, as they have no merit.
They are winning because they have no opposition.
And you're alright with that if you defend a big government Republican. There is no excuse.
Amen!!
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@catfish1957
Yet anyone claiming that Trump didn't have total control over spending in his one term in office makes your head explode.
Can you say "class jealousy"?
Class jealousy? Yeah, I am pretty jealous that I've sent the IRS 2 1/2 mill in my lifetime while some have lived their entire life off the left hind teat of Fedzilla, and they have said mouths surgically attached premanently.
No offense, but I might as well be discussing economics with my grand kids. For some reason you just don't understand that entire geo-political sphere revolves around these issues. One day after the SHTF hits us in the face like a wet fish, you might finally understand.
I'd thought that the concepts of limitless credit card or blank checks would be understandable in terms of an unsustainable precess but.....
Rock On Dude.... Ostriches don't feel pain with their heads in the hole either do they?
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@LMAO
Talk about "simple-minded"!
Incoming Presidents INHERIT a budget,and there is damn little they can do about it,or even the next budget if Congress is controlled by the opposition party.
You want to make economic change,go after congresscritters because THEY are the ones that approve the budgets.
But.....,you already know that and just don't give a damn because you want to demonize "Rich Orange Man".
Your hypocrisy is still showing. By your own standard, the current deficit under Biden is Trump’s fault
I didn’t make that standard. You did
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Class jealousy? Yeah, I am pretty jealous that I've sent the IRS 2 1/2 mill in my lifetime while some have lived their entire life off the left hind teat of Fedzilla, and they have said mouths surgically attached premanently.
No offense, but I might as well be discussing economics with my grand kids. For some reason you just don't understand that entire geo-political sphere revolves around these issues. One day after the SHTF hits us in the face like a wet fish, you might finally understand.
I'd thought that the concepts of limitless credit card or blank checks would be understandable in terms of an unsustainable precess but.....
Rock On Dude.... Ostriches don't feel pain with their heads in the hole either do they?
After a while, you just have to give up on people like SP.
This has all been explained several times to him and his only rebuttals have been some form of Rude orange man
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After a while, you just have to give up on people like SP. Using logic is an exercise in futility on folks like him
He's a great guy, and one who served our country with honor.
He's just one of pretty small contingent here who just seem to be totally blind to Mr. Trump's shortcomings. Which in my eyes is (1) total fiscal irresponsibility, (2) lack of moral fiber and service with honor.
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He's a great guy, and one who served our country with honor.
He's just one of pretty small contingent here who just seem to be totally blind to Mr. Trump's shortcomings. Which in my eyes is (1) total fiscal irresponsibility, (2) lack of moral fiber and service with honor.
I won’t take anyone’s combat service away from them. I served, but it was peacetime and I’m thankful for that.
It’s a fallacy that because we’re harder on Donald Trump than Joe Biden on this issue that somehow that means that we’re sympathetic to Joe Biden. We expect this from a Democrat. Especially from a career Washington DC politician like Joe Biden.
But we don’t want to see the Republican candidate propose to outspend the Democrat
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Every dollar appropriated by Congress gets spent by the Executive Branch. The President is the head of that branch. In other words, he is in charge of spending the money that Congress appropriates. So 'hell yes', someone can fix that problem. And they can fix it in one year.
@Hoodat
I am betting you still believe in Santa,too.
Is it Trumps fault if Santa forgets to deliver one of the toys you wanted?
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@sneakypete
OF COURSE I am serious. This is kitchen table sh*t. How much power do YOU have when all your fun-tickets are gone and you're dipping into the jar on top of the fridge to afford some beans and rice? Is that when you haul out the already overloaded credit cards and decide to have a blowout vacation? Or is that when you start pinching pennies and cutting services, shrinking your activities to allow yourself to afford only the most vital things, until your circumstances change?
Any entity does the very same. Or it will fail.
As to congress being to blame, That is certainly true - And that has been admitted over and over. But Tumpy did NOTHING to curtail it... Signing every single porkulous bill right on through. Not a peep. In fact, I remember him saying folks would have to get used to 'budgets' in the trillions instead of billions... Like it's a matter of fact.
Had he used his veto power you'd have a leg to stand upon. Had he created efficiencies to save money in his execution of what Congress had authorized, you'd have a point - But he didn't.
He spent at TWICE the rate of Obummer, and to this date spent more than any president in history. There is NO WAY to defend that.
As for Bidet, your hypocrisy is palpable. Why is it now that Bidet can be blamed, when it is still Congress who holds the purse? Why is it that the things forged during Tumpy's administration and carried forward are not counted, holding Bidet blameless, as you defend Tumpy?
Why don't I criticize the Democrats and Bidet? I DO. I despise them. But they are doing precisely as expected. This is what they do - They are all about central authority, huge spending boondoggles, and curtailing rights. It's what they DO.
But Tumpy and the Republicans beat them at their own game - Spending MORE than Democrats. Growing MORE government... Curtailing MORE rights.
THAT is why I am so offended. The betrayal of Conservative principles was so egregious and so profound that it is utterly indefensible.
Republicans are SUPPOSED to fight for small government and fiscal sanity. Republicans are SUPPOSED to fight to preserve our rights and keep us free of a burgeoning federal state.
Betrayal. Flat out betrayal. Sonsabiches, every one. Including Tumpy, who is as big government (read 'liberal, progressive') as they come.
That's a hard line right there. Bright as the sun. Step over that line into supporting big government, and you have betrayed the very root of American greatness, founded foremost in small government and libertarianism. Not merely flirting around the edges to be overlooked... This is flat out overturning Americanism. Against America. Betrayal of every promise, because you are attacking the very root of all of it.
THAT's why I am far harder on Republicans supporting big government. They are the only defender AGAINST big government. And you would have me ignore their insipid refusal to pick up the sword and fight as they have sworn and blame democrats. But Republicans, outside of foolish partisanship, are the very same damn thing.
The liberals are winning.
Not by merit, as they have no merit.
They are winning because they have no opposition.
And you're alright with that if you defend a big government Republican. There is no excuse.
@roamer_1
Your hypocrisy is too thick to cut with a chain saw. Rude Orange Man lives in your head every day and controls your every thought.
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Amen!!
@libertybele
@roamer_1
You are both right,of course. What we need to do is elect another career politician and insider that owes favors to everybody in both branches of the "Master Party" to clean things up,right?
Someone who can be trusted by the people in office to not rock the boat,and who has good manners.
Maybe another Bush? There IS one making .sounds about entering,so your dreams may come true after all.
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Class jealousy? Yeah, I am pretty jealous that I've sent the IRS 2 1/2 mill in my lifetime while some have lived their entire life off the left hind teat of Fedzilla, and they have said mouths surgically attached premanently.
No offense, but I might as well be discussing economics with my grand kids. For some reason you just don't understand that entire geo-political sphere revolves around these issues. One day after the SHTF hits us in the face like a wet fish, you might finally understand.
I'd thought that the concepts of limitless credit card or blank checks would be understandable in terms of an unsustainable precess but.....
Rock On Dude.... Ostriches don't feel pain with their heads in the hole either do they?
@catfish1957
You are right of course,and the way to fix all that is to elect another party insider,right?
Good call,dude and dudette!
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@catfish1957
You are right of course,and the way to fix all that is to elect another party insider,right?
Good call,dude and dudette!
If you are alluding to RDS, the last time I saw he wasn't spouting off silly shit like Freedom cities which might add another $15T to the deficit. But I guess that Trump position is just fine and good with you, huh Pete?
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@Hoodat
I am betting you still believe in Santa,too.
Is it Trumps fault if Santa forgets to deliver one of the toys you wanted?
Your rebuttals become weaker and weaker the more this thread goes on
I would quit if I was you and not keep digging a hole for yourself that you insist on digging
You keep telling us that you want a president with bad manners and who calls everybody names but you don’t really tell us what you expect that to accomplish except to make you happy
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@libertybele
@roamer_1
You are both right,of course. What we need to do is elect another career politician and insider that owes favors to everybody in both branches of the "Master Party" to clean things up,right?
Someone who can be trusted by the people in office to not rock the boat,and who has good manners.
Maybe another Bush? There IS one making .sounds about entering,so your dreams may come true after all.
@sneakypete ????? What the heck are you talking about and STOP making assumptions about me.
It's one think to debate it's another to make ridiculous accusations. :seeya:
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@roamer_1
Your hypocrisy is too thick to cut with a chain saw. Rude Orange Man lives in your head every day and controls your every thought.
An absurd ad hominem that barely deserves reply. Seems to be how Tumpistas work... When they cannot defend their position, attack the man.
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@libertybele
@roamer_1
You are both right,of course. What we need to do is elect another career politician and insider that owes favors to everybody in both branches of the "Master Party" to clean things up,right?
Someone who can be trusted by the people in office to not rock the boat,and who has good manners.
Maybe another Bush? There IS one making .sounds about entering,so your dreams may come true after all.
I don't trust ANY politician. EVER. Hell, I didn't trust Reagan.
Maybe that's where your problem starts.
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You believe the reason we have such an out of control debt and deficits is because of illegal immigration????
@LMAO
Didn't realize you were such a fan of illegal aliens.
MOST people would realize that illegal aliens are just an important part of why the budget is out of order.Since that seems to be your only concern,I am a little surprised you didn't pick up on it.
In fact, based on your posting history, if the article was the same, but it was Trump instead of Biden, you would be defending the spending
You are more full of shit than a Christmas goose. Bad acid?
At least, I hope this gives you Trump populists some understanding why conservatives emphasize controlling spending and it isn’t about “me, me ME DAMMIT!” Lol
The HELL it isn't. It is your ONLY concern.
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@sneakypete
TWENTY FRIGGIN TRILLION DOLLARS.
Next.
@roamer_1
Ok,bubba,now explain to us all HOW Trump is or was responsible for that,when it is CONGRESS that approves budgets?
You DO know that Trump was never a congresscritter,right?
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I just call out hypocrisy when I see it. Whenever there’s any condemnation of Donald Trump when it comes to our debt, you either make excuses for him, or tell other posters they are selfish for wanting to cut spending
But now that it’s Joe Biden doing the same thing,the debt and deficit is suddenly a concern of yours
@LMAO
Is lying about Trump ALL that you do,or do you have other hobbies?
BTW,PLEASE explain to us all how Trump got the authority to write and approve federal budgets.
Once you are done with that,PLEASE explain to us how Trump,who no longer holds public office is responsible for the current budget.
Trump just lives in your head 24/7,doesn't he?
Rude Orange Billionaire! How DARE him do that and not offer to pay you rent!
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@roamer_1
Ok,bubba,now explain to us all HOW Trump is or was responsible for that,when it is CONGRESS that approves budgets?
You DO know that Trump was never a congresscritter,right?
So why does it matter who we elect as President if they can't do anything about spending?
The fact of the matter is the President can do something about it. First he has the bully pulpit to make his case before the American people of why spending should be cut and then tell congress to rein it in or he'll veto it. If congress overrides his veto they own it in front of the electorate. The way it went down, Trump owned it by doing nothing other complaining about it the day he signed it into law.
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Well, let’s use your argument. You claimed that the out-of-control spending under Trump was all there before he got into office. So then why don’t we apply the same standard to to Biden?
@LMAO
Seriously?
Are you REALLY THAT freaking desperate?
Once again,explain how Trump,who is no longer even in office,controlled Congressional Budgets when he was President,and somehow,in YOUR alleged mind,seems to be controlling them now.
Yet it makes sense for you and your fellow loons to spend more time fighting against and slandering Trump than you do Biden.
BTW,are you going to vote for Biden if Trump is the Republican nominee? If not,WHY not?
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@LMAO
Seriously?
Are you REALLY THAT freaking desperate?
Once again,explain how Trump,who is no longer even in office,controlled Congressional Budgets when he was President,and somehow,in YOUR alleged mind,seems to be controlling them now.
Yet it makes sense for you and your fellow loons to spend more time fighting against and slandering Trump than you do Biden.
BTW,are you going to vote for Biden if Trump is the Dim nominee? If not,WHY not?
Three pages of your posts and yet you still haven’t explained why you hold Biden accountable for the deficits under his watch but not Trump for the deficits on his watch. The difference between you and I is I hold both Biden and Trump accountable for the overspending done on each men’s watch and especially the Congress during that time. You curiously exempt Trump
Oh well. I didn’t think I was going to get anything representing a rational and logical response. As expected, just a bunch of straw man arguments
Let’s face it. You got caught. Admit your double standard and move on
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Three pages of your posts and yet you still haven’t explained why you hold Biden accountable for the deficits under his watch but not Trump for the deficits on his watch
Oh well. I didn’t think I was going to get anything representing a rational and logical response. As expected, just a bunch of straw man arguments
Let’s face it. You got caught. Admit your double standard and move on
@LMAO
Ok,I will type slowly.
Biden had the full support and backing of the DNC,as well as some support from alleged Republicans.
He PROMOTED his deficient,and had the backing of Dim Party. It was as much the DNC offical budget as it was the WH budget.
Trump,not having the support in Congress that Biden had was powerless to stop the feral budget proposed while he was President and if he had used his veto power, he would have just been accused of adding to the economic problem.
Hard to win the vote of Steve and Sally Sixpack when the DNC,the national as well as most of the local media,and even some of your own people oppose your veto.
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@LMAO
Ok,I will type slowly.
Biden had the full support and backing of the DNC,as well as some support from alleged Republicans.
He PROMOTED his deficient,and had the backing of Dim Party. It was as much the DNC offical budget as it was the WH budget.
Trump,not having the support in Congress that Biden had was powerless to stop the feral budget proposed while he was President and if he had used his veto power, he would have just been accused of adding to the economic problem.
Hard to win the vote of Steve and Sally Sixpack when the DNC,the national as well as most of the local media,and even some of your own people oppose your veto.
Now you’re just making excuses for Trump.
Doesn’t sound like the fighter you claim he is. In fact, your post here make him sound kind of wimpy.
But you keep on making excuses. They get more lame with each post
Really, why it would be so hard for you to say “boy I like that Trump guy and I’m gonna vote for him in 2024, but I wish hecwould try to at least reign in some of the spending if elected?”
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@Hoodat
I am betting you still believe in Santa,too.
I believe in strong leadership. I believe in a President who will do what it takes to achieve the economic survival of this nation - not one who lets the Swamp call the shots on everything budgetary.
@Hoodat
Is it Trumps fault if Santa forgets to deliver one of the toys you wanted?
Is it Santa's fault if Trump runs up more debt in a four year period than any other President in US history? Or maybe it's Trump's fault.
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Now you’re just making excuses for Trump.
Doesn’t sound like the fighter you claim he is. In fact, your post here make him sound kind of wimpy.
Correct. The pitfalls of making it up as you go.
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@roamer_1
Ok,bubba,now explain to us all HOW Trump is or was responsible for that,when it is CONGRESS that approves budgets?
It is the Executive branch that has the discretion to carry out the actual spending. Congress can appropriate the money, but they don't get to spend the money. That power falls on the President.
@roamer_1
You DO know that Trump was never a congresscritter,right?
You DO know that Trump's signature was at the bottom of every one of those spending bills, right?
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@roamer_1
Ok,bubba,now explain to us all HOW Trump is or was responsible for that,when it is CONGRESS that approves budgets?
You DO know that Trump was never a congresscritter,right?
Ain't that HIS SIGNATURE on the bottom of every single one of those bills? What's that for?
And then I suppose you'll be telling me none of the current spending is Bidet's fault either...
And then you'll tell me all the spending during Obummer's reign was not his fault either...
Then what?
No... The buck stops at the TOP. As it always has. Clinton gets credit for what the 94 Congress did, because whether it works or not is judged on the presidents, good or bad.
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Now you’re just making excuses for Trump.
Doesn’t sound like the fighter you claim he is. In fact, your post here make him sound kind of wimpy.
But you keep on making excuses. They get more lame with each post
Really, why it would be so hard for you to say “boy I like that Trump guy and I’m gonna vote for him in 2024, but I wish hecwould try to at least reign in some of the spending if elected?”
@LMAO
It's not hard. It's "falling off the log" easy.
I just refuse to be a fool and blame him for what the DNC and their RINO butt-buddies did that he was powerless to stop.
Sad to say,it looks like America is now truly a One-Party Leftist Nation.
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I believe in strong leadership. I believe in a President who will do what it takes to achieve the economic survival of this nation - not one who lets the Swamp call the shots on everything budgetary.
@Hoodat
Ok,so you want a right-wing dictator to match the left-wing dictators in the DNC.
I want a President elected by the majority of the AMERICAN voters who is dedicated to TRYING to do what he or she can do to save and preserve America and the "American way of life".
Looks like neither one of is going to get what we want.
Is it Santa's fault if Trump runs up more debt in a four year period than any other President in US history? Or maybe it's Trump's fault.
It is the fault of CONGRESS,you dumbass!
But you already know that,and just don't care because this gives you the excuse you want to demonize "Rude Orange Man" because he is rich and was born into wealth.
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Ok,so you want a right-wing dictator to match the left-wing dictators in the DNC.
There is nothing in any of my posts that would even remotely suggest that. The Executive Branch is in charge of spending the money that Congress appropriates. That is what the Constitution says.
I want a President elected by the majority of the AMERICAN voters who is dedicated to TRYING to do what he or she can do to save and preserve America and the "American way of life".
That dream ended the day that Trump hired the Chairman of the Swamp to be his chief of staff.
It is the fault of CONGRESS,you dumbass!
Your double-standard is duly noted. Again. It is the President's fault except when Trump is the President. So even though Trump's name was at the bottom of every single one of those spending bills, Trump is innocent. And even though Trump could have held off on all that Covid spending that Congress appropriated, it's Congress' fault that Trump chose to spend it anyway.
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I just refuse to be a fool and blame him for what the DNC and their RINO butt-buddies did that he was powerless to stop.
Poor widdle Tumpy... He can't help it...
*SPIT*
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I just refuse to be a fool and blame him for what the DNC and their RINO butt-buddies did that he was powerless to stop.
That's some weak-ass shit right there.
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@LMAO
It's not hard. It's "falling off the log" easy.
I just refuse to be a fool and blame him for what the DNC and their RINO butt-buddies did that he was powerless to stop.
Sad to say,it looks like America is now truly a One-Party Leftist Nation.
Well, it appears that you’ve carved out quite an exemption for Mr. Trump on this issue that you will not do for anybody else.
The problem with your statement is that Trump did have veto power. And Trump himself said, while president, that we should keep borrowing because interest rates were low. He also attempted to push the Federal Reserve to drop interest rates to zero or less so that we could hide the true cost of the debt. And when he was running the first time, he claimed that we could never default because we could print all the money we need. So this idea that he was a victim in this is complete nonsense.
Sorry, but the facts and the history are against you plus basic civics and economics
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Ain't that HIS SIGNATURE on the bottom of every single one of those bills? What's that for?
And then I suppose you'll be telling me none of the current spending is Bidet's fault either...
And then you'll tell me all the spending during Obummer's reign was not his fault either...
Then what?
No... The buck stops at the TOP. As it always has. Clinton gets credit for what the 94 Congress did, because whether it works or not is judged on the presidents, good or bad.
His lame excuse is that if he VETOED spending bills, Congress would’ve probably overridden his VETO.
Probably. But then you could blame Congress and Congress alone for that. But that’s not what happened
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Funny thing: Trumpistas still haven’t figured out that each excuse they make for Trump just makes him look weaker, more ineffective, and creates just one more reason to not want another four-year orange shitshow.
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His lame excuse is that if he VETOED spending bills, Congress would’ve probably overridden his VETO.
Probably. But then you could blame Congress and Congress alone for that. But that’s not what happened
Totally LAME.
Tumpy's legendary bellicosity was never brought forth on the subject... Not a peep from the Bully Pulpit. Not a word to his mighty patriots... Not a single plea laid before the American People. In fact he lied about it... At least by omission... Had he got up and said to the folks that they're driving us into the poor house, and drove the congress before them with belligerence, he might have been able to whip em into doing the right dang thing.
NONE of that happened. Not even a little. So much for his electioneering promise.
He was FINE with it. And so he signed his name.
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Totally LAME.
Tumpy's legendary bellicosity was never brought forth on the subject... Not a peep from the Bully Pulpit. Not a word to his mighty patriots... Not a single plea laid before the American People. In fact he lied about it... At least by omission... Had he got up and said to the folks that they're driving us into the poor house, and drove the congress before them with belligerence, he might have been able to whip em into doing the right dang thing.
NONE of that happened. Not even a little. So much for his electioneering promise.
He was FINE with it. And so he signed his name.
Exactly. Most likely because the democrats tickled his ego and whispered sweet nothings into his ear about how signing off on the spending would make him a second FDR.
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Funny thing: Trumpistas still haven’t figured out that each excuse they make for Trump just makes him look weaker, more ineffective, and creates just one more reason to not want another four-year orange shitshow.
Lol
This is probably why some of them choose never to answer any questions re: Trump policies
On one hand, we’re told he’s the only candidate that can fight the left. Yet, when it came to the one big issue that required fighting the left on, he folded pretty quickly
Nobody here has ever said that the debt and deficits were all the fault of Donald Trump. But he wasn’t just a victim of the “RINOs and Dims” as is being claimed here
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There is nothing in any of my posts that would even remotely suggest that. The Executive Branch is in charge of spending the money that Congress appropriates. That is what the Constitution says.
That dream ended the day that Trump hired the Chairman of the Swamp to be his chief of staff.
Your double-standard is duly noted. Again. It is the President's fault except when Trump is the President. So even though Trump's name was at the bottom of every single one of those spending bills, Trump is innocent. And even though Trump could have held off on all that Covid spending that Congress appropriated, it's Congress' fault that Trump chose to spend it anyway.
@Hoodat
I will type this slowly so that even someone as slow as you MIGHT be able to understand it. If not,ask someone in Jr High to explain it to you.
PRESIDENTS don't create or vote for national spending budgets. CONGRESS does this,and since Congress is controlled by Dims,they approve any budget the DNC presents them with.
A REPUBLICAN (note the word "Republican") president does NOT create budgets or vote for budgets. He or she can only sign-off on the budgets presented to them by the DNC,or refuse to sign them,thus shutting the country down.
Are you REALLY so stupid that you are pissed because Trump did NOT choose to shut the country down,and by doing so create total chaos that HE would have gotten blamed for instead of the Dims?
Well,not only the Dims. Their RINO colleagues were as guilty as them.
It was a lose/lose situation created by the Dims because they were in control of the budget.
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Poor widdle Tumpy... He can't help it...
*SPIT*
@roamer_1
Ok,asshat,how about tell us what he COULD have done,facing a Dim congress.
Do NOT say "He could have held his breath until his face turned blue".
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Well, it appears that you’ve carved out quite an exemption for Mr. Trump on this issue that you will not do for anybody else.
@LMAO
WHAT "anyone else"? There WAS NO "anyone else"
BTW,you DO know the DNC were the ones that created that budget,and who approved all the spending,right?
Do you somehow think that Trump was in charge of the DNC?
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Funny thing: Trumpistas still haven’t figured out that each excuse they make for Trump just makes him look weaker, more ineffective, and creates just one more reason to not want another four-year orange shitshow.
@Kamaji
Buy you books,send you to school,and you still live in an imaginary world that doesn't exist anywhere but in your head.
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Well, yes Trump ran up the deficit, but we sure as heck didn't see the invasion at the border that we're seeing now. Just sayin'.
Our country will not be able to economically sustain all these ILLEGALS. The economy has already tanked.
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@LMAO
WHAT "anyone else"? There WAS NO "anyone else"
BTW,you DO know the DNC were the ones that created that budget,and who approved all the spending,right?
Do you somehow think that Trump was in charge of the DNC?
Lol...
keep digging. The more you reply to this thread, the more you expose yourself and weaken your point
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Well, yes Trump ran up the deficit, but we sure as heck didn't see the invasion at the border that we're seeing now. Just sayin'.
Our country will not be able to economically sustain all these ILLEGALS. The economy has already tanked.
@libertybele
So NOW you are claiming that Trump is to blame for the illegal alien invasion??????
I am seriously considering dumping TBR over this nonsense. MOST of you people KNOW you are talking crap,and just don't care because it is all about "Me,me,ME,DAMMIT!" to most of you,and to hell with America and everyone in it.
The self-centered BS I see here on a daily basis is going to guarantee the Dims another victory come election day.
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Only the self-proclaimed 'King of Debt' can run up the Debt/Deficit beyond Historic Levels and blame it on everyone else AND still keep his Disciples coming back for more.
Strange Days Indeed.
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@libertybele
So NOW you are claiming that Trump is to blame for the illegal alien invasion??????
I am seriously considering dumping TBR over this nonsense.
What???? I said the exact opposite. With Trump we did not see that invasion at the border that we are seeing now. How is that claiming that Trump is to blame? Slow down, take a breath and read without assuming I'm saying something against him.
Yes, Trump did run up the deficit. So, should we pretend he didn't???
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@libertybele
So NOW you are claiming that Trump is to blame for the illegal alien invasion??????
I am seriously considering dumping TBR over this nonsense. MOST of you people KNOW you are talking crap,and just don't care because it is all about "Me,me,ME,DAMMIT!" to most of you,and to hell with America and everyone in it.
The self-centered BS I see here on a daily basis is going to guarantee the Dims another victory come election day.
Wow. Just wow **nononono*
This started because you took a justified shot at Biden for the deficit but you then made the case and have made the case that Trump was completely blameless for the debt during his tenure because the spending was all approved by others while ignoring that he had no issue with signing them.
Now you lash out because I and others rightly pointed out your hypocrisy. So is your position then that the 928 B deficit under Biden was spending deals made under the Trump admin and therefore, Biden is blameless??
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@libertybele
So NOW you are claiming that Trump is to blame for the illegal alien invasion??????
I am seriously considering dumping TBR over this nonsense. MOST of you people KNOW you are talking crap,and just don't care because it is all about "Me,me,ME,DAMMIT!" to most of you,and to hell with America and everyone in it.
The self-centered BS I see here on a daily basis is going to guarantee the Dims another victory come election day.
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@roamer_1
Ok,asshat,how about tell us what he COULD have done,facing a Dim congress.
Do NOT say "He could have held his breath until his face turned blue".
@sneakypete
Foremost get his own ducks in a row... Republicans should have been four-square against spending to begin with. As leader of the Republicans it is his job to get them in line and on the same page.
He was incapable of doing that (right wrong or indifferent, it didn't happen).
Secondly, he could have turned his proven belligerence at Congress, using his Bully Pulpit to lever things his direction. He didn't do that either.
Thirdly, he could have taken his plea to the American People and told them flat out that we are on a train to hell if we don't turn the dollar around and stop spending. He didn't do that either.
Fourthly, he could have refused to sign the bills and force the Democrats to override the veto... Putting the blame directly on the Democrats instead of the bipartisanship he performed. But he didn't do that either.
and then Fifthly, he could have held his breath till he turned blue. But again, nope...
Instead, he meekly folded like a two dollar lawn chair and gave them everything they wanted, signing his name, and owning every bit of it himself.
THAT's what he did.
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@sneakypete again go back and actually read what I posted.
Take a deep breath, calm down. Ultimately we ALL want a free America and the corruption to stop.
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PRESIDENTS don't create or vote for national spending budgets. CONGRESS does this,and since Congress is controlled by Dims,they approve any budget the DNC presents them with.
That's not exactly true. The White House (and Senate) participates in budget making at the committee level, where red flags are pounded out all the way around - That ain't the president, but it is his people - so that by the time the bill hits the floor it has a good chance of passage and signing. It's called fast-tracking.
Now, it's nothing on paper. It's all on word. All back door... But that's how the sausage is made. He knew what he was signing, because he (the White House) participated in its development.
And he signed it all. That is his agreement and approval.
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Maybe a guy who makes 'The Best Deals' is not right for this Country, anymore.
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So NOW you are claiming that Trump is to blame for the illegal alien invasion??????
@sneakypete
She said no such thing. She has defended Tumpy on immigration all the way along.
I am seriously considering dumping TBR over this nonsense. MOST of you people KNOW you are talking crap,and just don't care because it is all about "Me,me,ME,DAMMIT!" to most of you,and to hell with America and everyone in it.
Baloney! I mean every_single_word of it. And I am thoroughly and completely right on the matter.
You CANNOT spend more than we make and think that is OK. The two things are logically incompatible. It quite literally cannot be sustained. It is the greatest threat we face.
Stopping spending removes federal power. Simple as that. with fiscal sanity comes small government, and every other problem is solved by that.
The self-centered BS I see here on a daily basis is going to guarantee the Dims another victory come election day.
The self-centered BS is the BS that thinks big-government Republicans are any different at all than big government Democrats.
I will stand UTTERLY AGAINST big government from the right. It will NEVER get my endorsement because the right is supposed to defend small government. And if they won't no one will. If they won't, it is our absolute doom, right now. Supporting big government from the right is not victory - It is complete failure. It is the acceptance of socialism by the right, and I will NOT help you do that.
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So in summary, this is SP's position
Biden and the DNC should be held accountable for the 928B deficit rang under his watch but Trump is exempt from any accountability for the deficits under his watch because the "RINO's and Dims" worked against him plus those were all spending deals that were made by the previous administration before Trump but that standard doesn't apply to Biden because he has a Democrat Congress and presidents have nothing to do with spending bills sent to their desk but Trump couldn't VETO any spending bills that he supposedly has nothing to do with because he didn't want to fight the "RINOs and DIMS"
And if you disagree with the above, you hate America
Dizzying logic, isn't it?
000hehehehe
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We know there are Briefers that are so deep in Trumps azz they know what he had for Breakfast 4 hours before we do.
I get that.
@sneakypete use to disklike Trump, never a hater, like some of you SOB's, BUT tolerable.
Something changed, he blames it on his Cancer Treatment, I blame it on the Trump Trolls here.
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@libertybele
So NOW you are claiming that Trump is to blame for the illegal alien invasion??????
I am seriously considering dumping TBR over this nonsense. MOST of you people KNOW you are talking crap,and just don't care because it is all about "Me,me,ME,DAMMIT!" to most of you,and to hell with America and everyone in it.
The self-centered BS I see here on a daily basis is going to guarantee the Dims another victory come election day.
Oy vey. If you’re so concerned about America, then why are you so slavishly pimping for a failed president who cares only for himself?
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Oy vey. If you’re so concerned about America, then why are you so slavishly pimping for a failed president who cares only for himself?
@Kamaji
I would think you and the rest of the "MY money matters more than anything else" crew would identify with someone who cares about nothing but himself.
Not that I think your accusations are true. They are just based on jealousy because that is what YOU would do if you were Trump.
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@roamer_1
Ok,asshat,how about tell us what he COULD have done,facing a Dim congress.
Do NOT say "He could have held his breath until his face turned blue".
It has been explained to you in detail several times already. And for some unknown reason, you willfully choose to ignore it.
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@Hoodat
I will type this slowly so that even someone as slow as you MIGHT be able to understand it. If not,ask someone in Jr High to explain it to you.
PRESIDENTS don't create or vote for national spending budgets. CONGRESS does this,and since Congress is controlled by Dims,they approve any budget the DNC presents them with.
A REPUBLICAN (note the word "Republican") president does NOT create budgets or vote for budgets. He or she can only sign-off on the budgets presented to them by the DNC
So basically, what you're saying is that whole "Art of the Deal" schtick that we were inundated with back in 2016 was complete bullshit. Got it. Donald Trump was simply a weak feckless wuss who lacked the ability to negotiate and was not willing to fight to get his agenda passed. That's quite an admission there, @sneakypete
or refuse to sign them, thus shutting the country down.
Are you REALLY so stupid that you are pissed because Trump did NOT choose to shut the country down,and by doing so create total chaos that HE would have gotten blamed for instead of the Dims?
Trump could have reduced spending without shutting the government down which has been explained to you multiple times already. But if he had indeed shut the government down by not signing (by your own admission) a Democrat spending bill, then my admiration for him as a leader would have increased immensely. Much better than the feckless weakling that you defend.
Well,not only the Dims. Their RINO colleagues were as guilty as them.
It was a lose/lose situation created by the Dims because they were in control of the budget.
The budget with Donald J. Trump's signature at the bottom. A budget that once passed was 100% within his discretion to spend or not spend. Care to guess how much out of all that Democrat appropriation Trump chose not to spend in order to reduce the deficit? (Hint: 0%)
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It has been explained to you in detail several times already. And for some unknown reason, you willfully choose to ignore it.
That’s why you have to give up after a while. Everything has been explained to him very clearly and yet he remains completely impenetrable.
It’s like he’s got his fingers in his ear going “la la la la la Trump. La la la la rude orange man.”
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Not that I think your accusations are true. They are just based on jealousy because that is what YOU would do if you were Trump.
If I was Trump, I would have fired a hell of a lot of people. And I sure a hell wouldn't have hired the leader of the GOP Swamp to be my Chief of Staff. But that's me. Clearly, you have no problem with Trump being in bed with the Establishment. Because it is unrealistic to expect any real leadership from him since Democrats controlled the House two of the four years he was in office, right?
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The idea that if you VETO spending bills you won’t get reelected is a myth
One time governor of New Mexico, Gary Johnson, was notorious for VETOing democrat spending bills while governor of NM and he was very handily reelected
But, even if that was true, that VETOing pork spending bills could cost you reelection, that still doesn’t mean that you’re not responsible for that pork spending if you sign them
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The idea that if you VETO spending bills you won’t get reelected is a myth
One time governor of New Mexico, Gary Johnson, was notorious for VETOing democrat spending bills while governor of NM and he was very handily reelected
But, even if that was true, that VETOing pork spending bills could cost you reelection, that still doesn’t mean that you’re not responsible for that pork spending
One is either in bed with the Establishment, or one is not. Trump was. He ceded most of his power to them.
A real leader would have fired Fauci the minute he discovered the illegal funding of the Wuhan lab. A real leader wouldn't have given Pfizer a dime until they delivered an actual vaccine instead of that experimental RNA crap. A real leader would have build the wall anyway regardless of what Congress said.
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I would think you and the rest of the "MY money matters more than anything else" crew would identify with someone who cares about nothing but himself.
@sneakypete
LOL! MY money? I am poor as a church mouse. What little I have is buried in mason jars.
That is intentional. I checked out of the system because the system is gonna come tumbling down...
Understand that: I am SO SURE the financial system is going to fail that I got out of it as much as I can. My money goes into buying durable goods and locally networked food and textiles.
The money matters because of YOU, and all the others even less prepared than you are. The money matters because of all the humanity that will suffer greatly when this whole dang thing falls to the ground.
The money matters because if there is one chance in hell of preventing that crash, the only way forward is toward reining in this absurd government and adopting a long standing fiscal austerity.
We ain't got the money. How do I get that through your thick head?
The bill is coming due if it is not already past due.
Sure as death that bill will be paid.
Reining reign before the rain. The storm is coming.
And secondly, the money matters to liberty. The super-powerful government y'all helped to grow and expand was left to the democrats that you hate. How much less powerful would they be right now if they had a quarter less to play with? How much harder would they have to work right now if y'all weren't helping them?
Your smarmy statement is an insult to both intellect and intention. We are standing upon and defending the principles of fiscal conservatism and libertarian liberty, Fiscal sanity and small government. Both of which are absolutely and irrevocably tied to basic survival. And you are standing opposed to that.
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So basically, what you're saying is that whole "Art of the Deal" schtick that we were inundated with back in 2016 was complete bullshit. Got it. Donald Trump was simply a weak feckless wuss who lacked the ability to negotiate and was not willing to fight to get his agenda passed. That's quite an admission there, @sneakypete
Trump could have reduced spending without shutting the government down which has been explained to you multiple times already. But if he had indeed shut the government down by not signing (by your own admission) a Democrat spending bill, then my admiration for him as a leader would have increased immensely. Much better than the feckless weakling that you defend.
The budget with Donald J. Trump's signature at the bottom. A budget that once passed was 100% within his discretion to spend or not spend. Care to guess how much out of all that Democrat appropriation Trump chose not to spend in order to reduce the deficit? (Hint: 0%)
You really ARE as stupid as Biden.
Or purposely blind to the truth because,like a child,you ignore truths that don't please you.
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That’s why you have to give up after a while. Everything has been explained to him very clearly and yet he remains completely impenetrable.
It’s like he’s got his fingers in his ear going “la la la la la Trump. La la la la rude orange man.”
@LMAO
That would be YOU and your running mates,Bubba. Like children,you just ignore "uncomfortable truths". ESPECIALLY truths related to "Rude Orange Rich Man".
Tells us again how opposition party Presidents create and control budgets.
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If I was Trump, I would have fired a hell of a lot of people. And I sure a hell wouldn't have hired the leader of the GOP Swamp to be my Chief of Staff. But that's me. Clearly, you have no problem with Trump being in bed with the Establishment. Because it is unrealistic to expect any real leadership from him since Democrats controlled the House two of the four years he was in office, right?
@Hoodat
Blah,blah,blah. Tell us,oh wise one,WHERE would Trump have found qualified conservative replacements willing to give up their current CAREER positions in order to serve a short time under a President all the pros hated because they feared an outsider being in charge?
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The idea that if you VETO spending bills you won’t get reelected is a myth
One time governor of New Mexico, Gary Johnson, was notorious for VETOing democrat spending bills while governor of NM and he was very handily reelected
But, even if that was true, that VETOing pork spending bills could cost you reelection, that still doesn’t mean that you’re not responsible for that pork spending if you sign them
@LMAO
Ahhh,"Lose/Lose"! in order to keep the government you want to replace in power! What a way to make changes! Think of that all by yourself?
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One is either in bed with the Establishment, or one is not. Trump was. He ceded most of his power to them.
A real leader would have fired Fauci the minute he discovered the illegal funding of the Wuhan lab. A real leader wouldn't have given Pfizer a dime until they delivered an actual vaccine instead of that experimental RNA crap. A real leader would have build the wall anyway regardless of what Congress said.
@Hoodat
Yeah,to hell with Trump!
The candidate we need is Santa!
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@sneakypete
LOL! MY money? I am poor as a church mouse. What little I have is buried in mason jars.
That is intentional. I checked out of the system because the system is gonna come tumbling down...
Understand that: I am SO SURE the financial system is going to fail that I got out of it as much as I can. My money goes into buying durable goods and locally networked food and textiles.
The money matters because of YOU, and all the others even less prepared than you are. The money matters because of all the humanity that will suffer greatly when this whole dang thing falls to the ground.
The money matters because if there is one chance in hell of preventing that crash, the only way forward is toward reining in this absurd government and adopting a long standing fiscal austerity.
We ain't got the money. How do I get that through your thick head?
The bill is coming due if it is not already past due.
Sure as death that bill will be paid.
Reining reign before the rain. The storm is coming.
And secondly, the money matters to liberty. The super-powerful government y'all helped to grow and expand was left to the democrats that you hate. How much less powerful would they be right now if they had a quarter less to play with? How much harder would they have to work right now if y'all weren't helping them?
Your smarmy statement is an insult to both intellect and intention. We are standing upon and defending the principles of fiscal conservatism and libertarian liberty, Fiscal sanity and small government. Both of which are absolutely and irrevocably tied to basic survival.
Have you tried jumping in the air and clicking your heels 3 times while you make your wishes?
And you are standing opposed to that.
I stand opposed to bullbush dreams that are impossible to achieve. It is better to get SOME of what you want each time than it is to get nothing each time because you are going to hold out for all or nothing.
The Dims didn't get to where they are now overnight,and those of us on the right are not going to get what WE want overnight,either.
The difference is the left showed patience,and took over the Dim Party one little step at a time over a period of decades,and are now in total control of the DNC. Which means,they are damn near in charge of the whole country and everything that happens here.
And people like you want to rant and rave about BS stances that you think will win back control for you overnight.
All "pose" and no action.
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lol
Sp's posts are getting worse
:silly:
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What has not been mentioned throughout this discussion is the fact that the President submits his own budget every year. Trumps budgets were always humungous, just different spending priorities than Ryan/pelousi.
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Have you tried jumping in the air and clicking your heels 3 times while you make your wishes?
@sneakypete
No... I've tried voting for people that will actually DO my wishes... And I have backed them with both my treasure and my time. And that has paid off - I backed Reagan and the Conservative movement. I backed the 94 Congress, and I backed the TEA party, All with fantastic results - And real, positive, lasting change.
I stand opposed to bullbush dreams that are impossible to achieve. It is better to get SOME of what you want each time than it is to get nothing each time because you are going to hold out for all or nothing.
The very definition of being satisfied with the candy thrown by the clown at the front of the parade.
And the sad part is, candy burns off quick and leaves you with a belly ache. Just like your 'success' with Tumpy. Great while it lasted, but *gone* all too soon. The only real and lasting legacy he can claim is abortion, because all the rest - ALL of it - was gone the minute Bidet stepped into the office.
And even on abortion, the win was more luck than sense - But it is his win nevertheless. His only other legacy is massive debt and the curtailment of liberty.
But you sure want more candy. And you'll do the same thing again, and get nothing for it again:
Party hard. Screw the future, right?
The Dims didn't get to where they are now overnight,and those of us on the right are not going to get what WE want overnight,either.
The difference is the left showed patience,and took over the Dim Party one little step at a time over a period of decades,and are now in total control of the DNC. Which means,they are damn near in charge of the whole country and everything that happens here.
Pure bullcrap. The liberals drove hard and got their way all the way along - In GIANT leaps and bounds... As Republicans ceded on every front.
Stop ceding. Stop chasing after candy, turn around and FIGHT, and I will be right next to you. Fight hard for Conservatism to win by leaps and bounds and stop settling for nothing.
And people like you want to rant and rave about BS stances that you think will win back control for you overnight.
All "pose" and no action.
That's funny. Because every single action that has brought real and lasting change in my lifetime has been Conservative action - Reagan, the 94 Congress (Contract with America), and the TEA party. All ground-up, grassroots, Conservatives and libertarians together.
The posers are the ones that try to claim conservatism, but stand in its way. Where do you stand?
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@Hoodat
Yeah,to hell with Trump!
The candidate we need is Santa!
You misspelled 'DeSantis' @sneakypete pointing-up
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You misspelled 'DeSantis' @sneakypete pointing-up
@roamer_1
That's funny,even if he IS a back-stabbing little bitch.
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I'm sure by next week, when he announces, he will be called DeSatan by the Trumpers here if not by Trump himself.
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@roamer_1
That's funny,even if he IS a back-stabbing little bitch.
@sneakypete
Yeah it was funny. :beer:
And you have certainly refused to show how he back-stabbed anyone.
And he's nobody's bitch... As he has proven in spades.
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@sneakypete
Yeah it was funny. :beer:
And you have certainly refused to show how he back-stabbed anyone.
And he's nobody's bitch... As he has proven in spades.
@roamer_1
Yeah,and Santa really IS real!
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@roamer_1
Yeah,and Santa really IS real!
Yeah... Incognito as Tumpy the Clown.
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@Hoodat
Blah,blah,blah. Tell us,oh wise one,WHERE would Trump have found qualified conservative replacements willing to give up their current CAREER positions in order to serve a short time under a President all the pros hated because they feared an outsider being in charge?
Great question @sneakypete
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... just in time for higher interest rates.
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... just in time for higher interest rates.
Uh huh
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@LMAO
That would be YOU and your running mates,Bubba. Like children,you just ignore "uncomfortable truths". ESPECIALLY truths related to "Rude Orange Rich Man".
Tells us again how opposition party Presidents create and control budgets.
Folks like me and others have explained several times to you the role of Congress and the President when it comes to spending yet you continue to ignore it and continue to demand answers to your question that have been answered many times in this thread.
This thread first started out as a report about the 928 B of deficits under Biden's watch. You made a comment critical of Biden. I simply pointed out your hypocrisy in not applying the same standard to Trump when he was president.
Being caught in your double standard, you went off on tangents and went all over the map on this issue and your posting history on this subject just fell apart. You even claimed we blamed Trump for the broken border when no one here did
Yet, despite your posts and attempts to force memebers to argue over positions they never took, one fact still remains unchanged. You've applied a double standard to Biden on an issue that you've made every excuse for when it came to Trump happy77
Not just on this thread but others. That, unfortunately, makes you part of the problem. And every response you've made here confirms that
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Folks like me and others have explained several times to you the role of Congress and the President when it comes to spending yet you continue to ignore it and continue to demand answers to your question that have been answered many times in this thread.
@LMAO
Your "answers" should all start out with "Once upon a time....."
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*YAWN*
I'm out. There is no argument here... Only ad-hominem.
Boring.
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*YAWN*
I'm out. There is no argument here... Only ad-hominem.
Boring.
When you explain something over and over and over to someone, at some point, you finally have to give up
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@Hoodat
Blah,blah,blah. Tell us,oh wise one,WHERE would Trump have found qualified conservative replacements willing to give up their current CAREER positions in order to serve a short time under a President all the pros hated because they feared an outsider being in charge?
Weak, weak, weak.
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@roamer_1
That's funny,even if he IS a back-stabbing little bitch.
Back-stabbing?
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Great question @sneakypete
This ought to be good. Trump waged war against Conservativism his entire life. Yet place the blame for Trump getting in bed with the GOP Establishment on Conservatives? You people are batshit insane.
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This ought to be good. Trump waged war against Conservativism his entire life. Yet place the blame for Trump getting in bed with the GOP Establishment on Conservatives? You people are batshit insane.
All the while Trump was constantly threatening to primary the freedom caucus because they wouldn't sign off on his big government big spending...