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Title: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a Yea
Post by: mystery-ak on September 02, 2022, 08:54:18 pm
Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a Year
Pam Key 2 Sep 2022
Former Trump Attorney General Bill Barr said Friday on FNC’s “America Reports” that it is “unprecedented” that former President Donald Trump had classified material at his Florida estate and he “jerked around” the Department of Justice for a year while they tried to recover the documents.
Sandra Smith asked, “Do you think this type of this raid was avoidable? Do you think a second subpoena, for example, could have been issued?”
Barr said, “I personally think for them to have taken things to the current point, they probably have pretty good evidence, but that’s speculation. And until we see that, it’s hard to say.”
He added, “Now, let me just say, I think the driver on this from the beginning was, you know, loads of classified information sitting in Mar-a-Lago. People say this was unprecedented, but it’s also unprecedented for a president to take all this classified information and put him in a country club. And how long is the government going to try to get that back? You know, they jawboned for a year. They were deceived on the voluntary actions taken. They then went and got a subpoena. They were deceived on that. They feel and the record, the facts are starting to show that they were being jerked around. And so how long, you know, how long do they wait?”
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: mystery-ak on September 02, 2022, 11:49:15 pm
Peter Strzok: ‘Worst Person in the World’ Bill Barr Is Right – Trump Jerked Around DOJ
Disgraced FBI agent Peter Strzok said Friday on MSNBC’s “Deadline” that former Attorney General Bill Barr is right for criticizing former President Donald Trump on his handling of government materials.
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: DefiantMassRINO on September 03, 2022, 02:01:37 am
Anyone who knows much about Trump and his behavior shouldn't be surprised at all. He may have even used the top secret documents to wipe his hands after eating a bucket of Kentucky Fried Chicken.
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: GtHawk on September 03, 2022, 02:23:02 am
Anyone who knows much about Trump and his behavior shouldn't be surprised at all. He may have even used the top secret documents to wipe his hands after eating a bucket of Kentucky Fried Chicken.
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: libertybele on September 03, 2022, 03:53:15 am
Unfortunately Trump picked another really bad apple.
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: Sighlass on September 03, 2022, 07:01:19 am
Unfortunately Trump picked another really bad apple.
I still have not seen Gentleman Sessions throw his former boss under the bus... even after being pooped on a dozen times.
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on September 03, 2022, 10:13:06 am
Unfortunately Trump picked another really bad apple.
Some days you're outraged (or defeated) by the depth, scope and power of the entrenched Washington administrative state and on others you appear to deny its existence.
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on September 03, 2022, 10:30:44 am
Anyone who knows much about Trump and his behavior shouldn't be surprised at all. He may have even used the top secret documents to wipe his hands after eating a bucket of Kentucky Fried Chicken.
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: libertybele on September 03, 2022, 10:20:37 pm
Some days you're outraged (or defeated) by the depth, scope and power of the entrenched Washington administrative state and on others you appear to deny its existence.
??? Are you denying how many people Trump selected that turned around and stabbed him in the back?? Of course I am outraged by what they've done and the obvious coup.
Pence, Sessions, Barr, Rosenstein are just a few but I believe they are the people that hurt him the most; all those bad apples however are his picks.
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: mountaineer on September 03, 2022, 10:22:18 pm
Speaking of jerks, Barr said what?
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on September 04, 2022, 05:59:49 am
??? Are you denying how many people Trump selected that turned around and stabbed him in the back??
Pence, Sessions, Barr, Rosenstein are just a few but I believe they are the people that hurt him the most; all those bad apples however are his picks.
That these appointees stabbed the President in the back is evidence of how powerful the administrative state is @libertybele Each of the men you listed above came through recommendations from his own political party. To who else was Trump to turn for recommendations on experienced government officials?
These men flipped on Trump the moment they assessed Trump was going to lose and the state was going to win --- a straightforward case of self-preservation over principle. This tells us who these men are, not Trump.
Trump is working very hard to amass a cadre of America First advisors and government officials around the country for his second term. We should be helping and supporting him in these efforts. It's all for our benefit.
FWIW, I'm looking forward to the time when blaming Donald Trump for having to wade through an incestuous and corrupt federal government is no longer accepted dogma.
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: aligncare on September 04, 2022, 09:55:54 am
That these appointees stabbed the President in the back is evidence of how powerful the administrative state is @libertybele Each of the men you listed above came through recommendations from his own political party. To who else was Trump to turn for recommendations on experienced government officials?
These men flipped on Trump the moment they assessed Trump was going to lose and the state was going to win --- a straightforward case of self-preservation over principle. This tells us who these men are, not Trump.
Trump is working very hard to amass a cadre of America First advisors and government officials around the country for his second term. We should be helping and supporting him in these efforts. It's all for our benefit.
FWIW, I'm looking forward to the time when blaming Donald Trump for having to wade through an incestuous and corrupt federal government is no longer accepted dogma.
Exactly.
In his lifetime before becoming president, Trump had been to Washington DC maybe a dozen times. And that’s only because in recent years he bought a hotel there. Otherwise, he’s a New Yorker. He and his transition team had no political network in DC on which he could rely. If some appointees turned out to be swamp creatures, that was on RNC Reince Priebus, et al.
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: roamer_1 on September 04, 2022, 10:14:45 am
Poor little Tumpy... He can't help it... *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: aligncare on September 04, 2022, 01:25:38 pm
Sidelines an awfully comfortable place from which to hold forth isn’t it, roam. I suppose in the same duplicitous environment that Trump—pardon, Trumpy—faced, you could’ve done better?
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: mountaineer on September 04, 2022, 01:41:22 pm
Poor little Tumpy... He can't help it... *****rollingeyes*****
Can't help what?
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: aligncare on September 04, 2022, 01:51:56 pm
Maybe @roamer_1 forgot what the times were like. Trump not only didn’t get a honeymoon period and traditional well wishes for the incoming president. They were actively framing and backstabbing him and trying to arrest him on any whim democrats croaked forth.
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: roamer_1 on September 04, 2022, 02:06:37 pm
Sidelines an awfully comfortable place from which to hold forth isn’t it, roam. I suppose in the same duplicitous environment that Trump—pardon, Trumpy—faced, you could’ve done better?
I know it's usually good form to quote me or ping me to messages about me...
And I am not on the sidelines. I am just not supporting what some suppose I should, you included I would guess. Hence your apparent attempt at stuffing me in that pigeon hole... Which is really rather funny.
I think Tumpy is every bit as duplicitous as those around him. I think there is no way to be a captain of industry without the very same duplicitous nature that is present in political realms.
I think he is also dirty - You don't rise to the top of business in 'hospitality' and gambling dens, not to mention operating in NYC in any volume without being dirty.
That certainly is no compliment, I know. But it is reality. The very same thing that makes him a knuckle-buster requires street smarts, and street smarts come only with experience with the soft underbelly of the street.
In fact, that's likely why they are coming for him... Because he has dirt. And I have said right here on this thread that they would find nothing at Mar a Largo, because he would have to be a total idiot to leave his dirt on folks laying around where they could get at it. He may be a whole lot of things, but he ain't an idiot by a long way.
What gets me though is the attempt by all y'all to paint him as a patron saint, always 200 steps ahead of the evil doers, playing 10 dimensional chess to their checkers... And then try to defend his ineptitude with some sort of ignorance of the system that he's been courting for more than half his life... And how the evil-doers somehow pulled the wool over his eyes.
Pardon my derision, but the dichotomy is hilarious.
And as to my doing it better... Aw hell no. I played similar games in my yoot and learned eventually to avoid them. I don't want anything like the games he plays and wouldn't touch em with a 10 foot pole.
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: roamer_1 on September 04, 2022, 02:11:04 pm
Maybe @roamer_1 forgot what the times were like. Trump not only didn’t get a honeymoon period and traditional well wishes for the incoming president. They were actively framing and backstabbing him and trying to arrest him on any whim democrats croaked forth.
Ahh! So you DO know how to ping and to quote... Good to know. :laugh:
As to your statement: So what? They've done the same all the way along. He's a big boy, right? Shoot, most the time he brings it on himself - cat-fighting with the very people that are out to get him. That they retaliate in similar fashion surprises you?
This ain't tiddleywinks. happy77
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: roamer_1 on September 04, 2022, 02:13:19 pm
see https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,479470.msg2704488.html#msg2704488 just above.
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on September 04, 2022, 03:02:20 pm
I think Tumpy is every bit as duplicitous as those around him. I think there is no way to be a captain of industry without the very same duplicitous nature that is present in political realms.
I think he is also dirty - You don't rise to the top of business in 'hospitality' and gambling dens, not to mention operating in NYC in any volume without being dirty.
Posting the preamble to the "Losers' Creed" pointing-up is virtue-signaling at its most deficient.
I played similar games in my yoot and learned eventually to avoid them.
Translation: ran away.
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: massadvj on September 04, 2022, 03:06:03 pm
Why is it that Democrats never have any problem finding attorneys general who will do the party's political bidding and use the federal apparatus for bludgeoning political opponents and covering up their own people's transgressions? I speak, of course, of Eric Holder and Merrick Garland. Then the Republicans get in and suddenly they become "principled." In fact, our people often hold Republicans to a higher standard than Democrats.
I think Trump did a fine job in some respects, but he did a terrible job of cleaning house at the justice department and FBI. Barr was not a bad attorney general, but he certainly was not as loyal to his president as Merrick Garland or Eric Holder, both of which are basically mob boss consiglieres.
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: DB on September 04, 2022, 03:17:10 pm
Barr was the Colonel Klink of the DOJ.
Placed there by Trump.
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: mystery-ak on September 04, 2022, 03:31:46 pm
Why is it that Democrats never have any problem finding attorneys general who will do the party's political bidding and use the federal apparatus for bludgeoning political opponents and covering up their own people's transgressions? I speak, of course, of Eric Holder and Merrick Garland. Then the Republicans get in and suddenly they become "principled." In fact, our people often hold Republicans to a higher standard than Democrats.
I think Trump did a fine job in some respects, but he did a terrible job of cleaning house at the justice department and FBI. Barr was not a bad attorney general, but he certainly was not as loyal to his president as Merrick Garland or Eric Holder, both of which are basically mob boss consiglieres.
When you have someone who is unfamiliar with the politics of DC and you rely on advisors [GOPe] for recommendations for positions in the Admin this is what happens..Trump is wiser now with the machinations of DC and I hope has learned his lessons on appointing people to top positions in his admin
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on September 04, 2022, 03:40:53 pm
I think Trump did a fine job in some respects, but he did a terrible job of cleaning house at the justice department and FBI.
Wasn't insuring this one of the goals of the non-stop, concurrent "investigations" into the President, his family, his private businesses and members of his administration @massadvj ? If memory serves, "obstruction of justice" is not without consequences.
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: roamer_1 on September 04, 2022, 03:42:44 pm
Posting the preamble to the "Losers' Creed" pointing-up is virtue-signaling at its most deficient.
HAHAHAHA! Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. I have lost nothing.
Quote
Translation: ran away.
Nah. I was pretty good at it. Even in business. Sometimes I won, sometimes I lost. That's the breaks. Like I said... I learned to avoid it. All that glitters is not gold.
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: massadvj on September 04, 2022, 03:46:03 pm
Wasn't insuring this one of the goals of the non-stop, concurrent "investigations" into the President, his family, his private businesses and members of his administration @massadvj ? If memory serves, "obstruction of justice" is not without consequences.
Yes, it was the strategy. And it succeeded, largely because Trump appointed the wrong people at both the justice dept and fbi.
Does Biden worry about "obstruction of justice' when it comes to Hunter Biden? Did Obama worry about "obstruction of justice" when he was gun running to both Mexico and ISIS? In the case of Democrat presidents there can be no obstruction of justice because they ARE justice.
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on September 04, 2022, 03:52:37 pm
And yet, you hold the target of the strategy guilty for surviving it ----- not the perps for executing it. :shrug:
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on September 04, 2022, 04:00:18 pm
Does Biden worry about "obstruction of justice' when it comes to Hunter Biden? Did Obama worry about "obstruction of justice" when he was gun running to both Mexico and ISIS? In the case of Democrat presidents there can be no obstruction of justice because they ARE justice.
So, you're pissed off with Trump because he isn't a corrupt criminal trampling over what's left of the rule of law --- like Obama and Biden?
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: massadvj on September 04, 2022, 04:02:51 pm
And yet, you hold the target of the strategy guilty for surviving it ----- not the perps for executing it. :shrug:
He appointed the wrong people. Presidents are supposed to do more than survive. You think Biden worries about "surviving" Hunter and all his graft? No way. Hunter does not exist as far as his justice department is concerned. Their only job is containing it.
Obama turned the entire justice apparatus into a poltical enforcement mechanism for his party, and Trump's appointeed did nothing to turn that around. OK, Barr did a little, but precious little, given that the FBI was still campaigning for Biden even as Trump was POTUS. You ever think about that? The very department Trump was in charge of was actively pushing Facebook and Twitter not to run with the Hunter Biden story, and Barr and Wray (both Trump appointees) either did nothing about it, or did not know. That is a failure on Trump's part, and I think he realizes it now. At least I hope so, because if he is elected again his first job should be to clean up that sewer that Obama created once and for all.
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: massadvj on September 04, 2022, 04:04:18 pm
My point is that Trump appointed the wrong people in both his attorneys general and his FBI director.
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: catfish1957 on September 04, 2022, 04:11:31 pm
From a totally objective POV, suffering and recovery from 58 of your friends committing suicide has some level of gutsy. :cool:
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on September 04, 2022, 04:20:04 pm
He appointed the only people McConnell would confirm. I live in this town, not in an ivy-covered enclave. I work among these cretins, not with the isolated. Doubling down on ignorance as though it's gospel from on-high is not helpful.
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on September 04, 2022, 04:20:41 pm
My point is that Trump appointed the wrong people in both his attorneys general and his FBI director.
Do better.
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: aligncare on September 04, 2022, 05:01:27 pm
Btw, Barr used the word “unprecedented?” Pull the other one. Obama kept tons of documents, many classified, as have other presidents for their Presidential libraries. After leaving the White House they all negotiate about stuff they’d like to keep and documents the National Archives wants back.
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: libertybele on September 04, 2022, 05:02:20 pm
That these appointees stabbed the President in the back is evidence of how powerful the administrative state is @libertybele Each of the men you listed above came through recommendations from his own political party. To who else was Trump to turn for recommendations on experienced government officials?
These men flipped on Trump the moment they assessed Trump was going to lose and the state was going to win --- a straightforward case of self-preservation over principle. This tells us who these men are, not Trump.
Trump is working very hard to amass a cadre of America First advisors and government officials around the country for his second term. We should be helping and supporting him in these efforts. It's all for our benefit.
FWIW, I'm looking forward to the time when blaming Donald Trump for having to wade through an incestuous and corrupt federal government is no longer accepted dogma.
Relax @Right_in_Virginia Trump isn't perfect and ok, he's trying to amass better advisors. I'm not finding fault nor am I denying that many past advisors stabbed him in the back. The swamp runs very deep, I get that and have for quite awhile. However, I was flabbergasted when he picked Sessions and even more so when he appointed Rosenstein. Advice from the GOPe, perhaps, but IMO it was Jared who had a hand in his selections. In fact I have little doubt that the weasel was working both sides.
Regardless, why didn't Trump do a little bit of research himself on those that were picked?? That's something I've always questioned, it's easy enough to do.
I recognize what Trump was up against from within his own party. I have not always been a supporter of some of the things that he did, but Trump was one of the greatest presidents in my lifetime and I would vote for him again.
During last night's rally I was very pleased to see him step out from the past a bit and mention what he would do in the future. IMO it was a definite signal he intends to run again.
IF the DEMS don't find a way to prevent him from running again he will be the GOP nominee and it is doubtful he'll be challenged. I would hope that Cruz, DeSantis, Pompeo, Green, Hawley, Paul and others will rally right along with him.
McCarthy and McConnell will continue to be poison to Trump and his efforts; there's no way around that unless somehow they lose their seats and I don't see that happening.
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: massadvj on September 04, 2022, 11:08:29 pm
He appointed the only people McConnell would confirm. I live in this town, not in an ivy-covered enclave. I work among these cretins, not with the isolated. Doubling down on ignorance as though it's gospel from on-high is not helpful.
That is BS. He appointed Sessions because he owed him politically, and he thought Sessions would be loyal. Sessions turned out to be gutless when it came to protecting Trump from the Russia hoax. So then he appointed Barr, a fairly conservative guy, but definitely a career insider. He should have brought in someone from outside Washington. I am sure there were plenty of people who McConnell would have confirmed, and if not, he always had the option of a recess appointment.
Trump very clearly did not know what he was up against in terms of the how the federal aparatus he was in charge of would undermine him, and he never really got it under control. That is not to say he wasn't a good POTUS. Overall, I'd give him high marks. But when your own FBI is able to intentionally put the lid on a story that would likely have buried your opponent, that is a glaring problem. Barr and Wray have only two excuses, either they didn't know or they did know and did nothing. Both represent a specific kind of failure that goes all the way to the top.
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: libertybele on September 04, 2022, 11:50:24 pm
That is BS. He appointed Sessions because he owed him politically, and he thought Sessions would be loyal. Sessions turned out to be gutless when it came to protecting Trump from the Russia hoax. So then he appointed Barr, a fairly conservative guy, but definitely a career insider. He should have brought in someone from outside Washington. I am sure there were plenty of people who McConnell would have confirmed, and if not, he always had the option of a recess appointment.
Trump very clearly did not know what he was up against in terms of the how the federal aparatus he was in charge of would undermine him, and he never really got it under control. That is not to say he wasn't a good POTUS. Overall, I'd give him high marks. But when your own FBI is able to intentionally put the lid on a story that would likely have buried your opponent, that is a glaring problem. Barr and Wray have only two excuses, either they didn't know or they did know and did nothing. Both represent a specific kind of failure that goes all the way to the top.
:yowsa:
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: Bigun on September 04, 2022, 11:56:03 pm
That is BS. He appointed Sessions because he owed him politically, and he thought Sessions would be loyal. Sessions turned out to be gutless when it came to protecting Trump from the Russia hoax. So then he appointed Barr, a fairly conservative guy, but definitely a career insider. He should have brought in someone from outside Washington. I am sure there were plenty of people who McConnell would have confirmed, and if not, he always had the option of a recess appointment.
Trump very clearly did not know what he was up against in terms of the how the federal aparatus he was in charge of would undermine him, and he never really got it under control. That is not to say he wasn't a good POTUS. Overall, I'd give him high marks. But when your own FBI is able to intentionally put the lid on a story that would likely have buried your opponent, that is a glaring problem. Barr and Wray have only two excuses, either they didn't know or they did know and did nothing. Both represent a specific kind of failure that goes all the way to the top.
Once again, you nailed it @massadvj and now he does! Which is why they fear him so.
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: art.prout on September 05, 2022, 12:06:09 am
That is BS. He appointed Sessions because he owed him politically, and he thought Sessions would be loyal. Sessions turned out to be gutless when it came to protecting Trump from the Russia hoax. So then he appointed Barr, a fairly conservative guy, but definitely a career insider. He should have brought in someone from outside Washington. I am sure there were plenty of people who McConnell would have confirmed, and if not, he always had the option of a recess appointment.
Trump very clearly did not know what he was up against in terms of the how the federal aparatus he was in charge of would undermine him, and he never really got it under control. That is not to say he wasn't a good POTUS. Overall, I'd give him high marks. But when your own FBI is able to intentionally put the lid on a story that would likely have buried your opponent, that is a glaring problem. Barr and Wray have only two excuses, either they didn't know or they did know and did nothing. Both represent a specific kind of failure that goes all the way to the top.
No on both counts.
McConnell is as swampy as Schumer, Biden, Pelosi, et al. There was a very limited set of people that Trump could appoint for AG and FBI Director (which is why we saw the appointments that we did!).
And no again, there was NO opportunity for any recess appointments as they kept the Senate in session 24 x 7 throughout the entire Trump presidency.
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: art.prout on September 05, 2022, 12:08:06 am
He appointed the only people McConnell would confirm. I live in this town, not in an ivy-covered enclave. I work among these cretins, not with the isolated. Doubling down on ignorance as though it's gospel from on-high is not helpful.
You are exactly right.
Every President has a limited set of people that the Senate majority will allow to be confirmed. Trump, being who he is and what he was attempting to accomplish, had an even more narrow set.
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: Bigun on September 05, 2022, 12:52:58 am
FWIW, I think there is a lot of truth in what you both say. I think Trump was blindsided by the death and breadth of the swamp but mostly by how willing fellow Republicans were to undermine him at every turn. He also got some very bad advice from people he thought he could trust.
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: art.prout on September 05, 2022, 12:58:57 am
FWIW, I think there is a lot of truth in what you both say. I think Trump was blindsided by the death and breadth of the swamp but mostly by how willing fellow Republicans were to undermine him at every turn. He also got some very bad advice from people he thought he could trust.
Yes, I agree. I should have noted that I agreed mostly with the rest of Mr. Massadv's post... just disputing those two items.
Thanks for your clarity.
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: Bigun on September 05, 2022, 01:01:02 am
Yes, I agree. I should have noted that I agreed mostly with the rest of Mr. Massadv's post... just disputing those two items.
Thanks for your clarity.
888high58888 :beer:
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on September 05, 2022, 12:00:12 pm
Relax @Right_in_Virginia Trump isn't perfect and ok, he's trying to amass better advisors. I'm not finding fault nor am I denying that many past advisors stabbed him in the back. The swamp runs very deep, I get that and have for quite awhile. However, I was flabbergasted when he picked Sessions and even more so when he appointed Rosenstein. Advice from the GOPe, perhaps, but IMO it was Jared who had a hand in his selections. In fact I have little doubt that the weasel was working both sides.
Regardless, why didn't Trump do a little bit of research himself on those that were picked?? That's something I've always questioned, it's easy enough to do.
I'll happily relax @libertybele --- right after you admit you were joking when you posted this.
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Post by: libertybele on September 05, 2022, 02:18:25 pm
I'll happily relax @libertybele --- right after you admit you were joking when you posted this.
Only after you got off your high horse of thinking that you are above everyone -- gee, just joking.
I'm done discussing this with you as the snipes and snark aren't necessary.
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Post by: catfish1957 on September 05, 2022, 03:08:30 pm
What I find strange, confusing, and confounding, is the fact almost ZERO of the DOJ/FBI has come forward calling out this undprecedented unneeded raid against a former POTUS' residence.
As far as I am concerned all 100,000 DOJ/FBI employees and appointees are complicit in this matter.
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Post by: massadvj on September 05, 2022, 03:35:08 pm
What I find strange, confusing, and confounding, is the fact almost ZERO of the DOJ/FBI has come forward calling out this undprecedented unneeded raid against a former POTUS' residence.
As far as I am concerned all 100,000 DOJ/FBI employees and appointees are complicit in this matter.
I think the entire department was pretty much purged of conservatives under the Obama administration, and turned into a sort of "gestapo" for the Democrat party. Civil service laws make it very, very difficult to reverse. It would have taken a Mike Pompeo type to clean it up.
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Post by: libertybele on September 05, 2022, 04:42:47 pm
I think the entire department was pretty much purged of conservatives under the Obama administration, and turned into a sort of "gestapo" for the Democrat party. Civil service laws make it very, very difficult to reverse. It would have taken a Mike Pompeo type to clean it up.
Speaking of Pompeo, I think he would make an excellent president.
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Post by: Hoodat on September 05, 2022, 04:56:51 pm
That these appointees stabbed the President in the back is evidence of how powerful the administrative state is @libertybele Each of the men you listed above came through recommendations from his own political party.
In other words, Trump never was a 'drain-the-swamp' guy.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on September 05, 2022, 05:05:12 pm
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Post by: art.prout on September 05, 2022, 05:11:12 pm
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Post by: Hoodat on September 05, 2022, 05:23:30 pm
For someone who has been out of government since 2020, Barr seems to have intimate knowledge of ongoing Justice Department investigations.
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Post by: Smokin Joe on September 06, 2022, 11:18:54 am
He appointed the only people McConnell would confirm. I live in this town, not in an ivy-covered enclave. I work among these cretins, not with the isolated. Doubling down on ignorance as though it's gospel from on-high is not helpful.
Then, obviously, McConnell remains the problem.
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Post by: mountaineer on September 06, 2022, 01:14:37 pm
For someone who has been out of government since 2020, Barr seems to have intimate knowledge of ongoing Justice Department investigations.
It seems rather swamplike.
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Post by: libertybele on September 06, 2022, 01:26:58 pm
For someone who has been out of government since 2020, Barr seems to have intimate knowledge of ongoing Justice Department investigations.
He always was part of the problem rather than the solution. His corruption continues.
The leftists still need as many corrupt politicians as they can muster to stop Trump from running in '24.
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Post by: Bigun on September 06, 2022, 02:13:04 pm
And US allowing cretins (I like that word) like him to tell us who we can elect to represent us!
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Post by: cato potatoe on September 06, 2022, 02:14:58 pm
He always was part of the problem rather than the solution. His corruption continues.
Barr may be correct this time. Trump is extremely arrogant and petty. If what we are told is anything close to reality, he made a point of not cooperating with DOJ requests for more than a year. We did not need this controversy on the eve of midterm elections. And he may extort (to use Barr's language) the Republicans into nominating him again, but this is just another reason for general election voters to choose poorly.
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Post by: Bigun on September 06, 2022, 02:22:42 pm
Barr may be correct this time. Trump is extremely arrogant and petty. If what we are told is anything close to reality, he made a point of not cooperating with DOJ requests for more than a year. We did not need this controversy on the eve of midterm elections. And he may extort (to use Barr's language) the Republicans into nominating him again, but this is just another reason for general election voters to choose poorly.
Here's what I can tell you @cato potatoe I've been in this political game for more than 40 years and Donald J. Trump, warts and all, moved the ball further in the direction I want it to go than any president in my 74 years of living on this earth and did it while constantly under fire from BOTH sides of the aisle!
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Post by: libertybele on September 06, 2022, 02:41:18 pm
Barr may be correct this time. Trump is extremely arrogant and petty. If what we are told is anything close to reality, he made a point of not cooperating with DOJ requests for more than a year. We did not need this controversy on the eve of midterm elections. And he may extort (to use Barr's language) the Republicans into nominating him again, but this is just another reason for general election voters to choose poorly.
So .... an ex-president is supposed to comply with his former corrupt AG? The current AG and DOJ are corrupt. I highly doubt what the MSM is trying to convey about Trump is accurate. Certainly the J6 investigation was a circus. The FBI raiding Mar A Lago months after documents were handed over to me is suspect.
Extort Republicans into nominating him again?? How so?
Who is creating the controversy? The same leftists who were responsible for the insurrection on J6 to begin with!
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Post by: cato potatoe on September 06, 2022, 02:54:24 pm
Here's what I can tell you @cato potatoe I've been in this political game for more than 40 years and Donald J. Trump, warts and all, moved the ball further in the direction I want it to go than any president in my 74 years of living on this earth and did it while constantly under fire from BOTH sides of the aisle!
Moreso than Reagan? By what metric? Some good things happened from 2017-2019. Others not so much. His final year was a complete disaster for conservatism, with the notable exception of Amy Coney Barrett. He disparaged her after the election.
Fact of the matter is Trump made himself less popular while in office, and has courted controversy since leaving, rather than letting Biden sink himself. We should not be talking about an FBI raid on his home ... or an indictment. He wanted to run again. If the librarians want the stupid documents, just hand them over.
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Post by: Bigun on September 06, 2022, 02:59:36 pm
Moreso than Reagan? By what metric? Some good things happened from 2017-2019. Others not so much. His final year was a complete disaster for conservatism, with the notable exception of Amy Coney Barrett. He disparaged her after the election.
Fact of the matter is Trump made himself less popular while in office, and has courted controversy since leaving, rather than letting Biden sink himself. We should not be talking about an FBI raid on his home ... or an indictment. He wanted to run again. If the librarians want the stupid documents, just hand them over.
Yes! Moreso than Reagan by every metric! Exposing the deep state alone puts him far above ALL the others IMHO! And I am not disparaging Ronald Wilson Reagan in any shape, form, or manner!
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on September 06, 2022, 03:08:06 pm
Fact of the matter is Trump made himself less popular while in office
Fact of the matter is not even coordinated voter and election fraud could completely erase Trump's rise in popularity during his first term -- to the tune of nearly 11 million more votes in 2020 than in 2016 @cato potatoe --- A first for an incumbent candidate for president.
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Post by: cato potatoe on September 06, 2022, 03:13:00 pm
So .... an ex-president is supposed to comply with his former corrupt AG? The current AG and DOJ are corrupt. I highly doubt what the MSM is trying to convey about Trump is accurate. Certainly the J6 investigation was a circus. The FBI raiding Mar A Lago months after documents were handed over to me is suspect.
Yes they are corrupt. The first way to deal with corrupt policemen is to avoid them. Why was he withholding classified material, and why did he have it in the first place? It served no purpose, other than to spite the Biden admin.
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Extort Republicans into nominating him again?? How so?
Same as 2016. If they nominate someone else, he will run as a spoiler, or otherwise make the nomination worthless. He does the same thing to downticket candidates who will not genuflect.
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Who is creating the controversy? The same leftists who were responsible for the insurrection on J6 to begin with!
All he had to do was go away, let the Bidens screw everything up, and "ride to the rescue" in late 2025. That's all he had to do.
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Post by: Bigun on September 06, 2022, 03:17:45 pm
Yes they are corrupt. The first way to deal with corrupt policemen is to avoid them. Why was he withholding classified material, and why did he have it in the first place? It served no purpose, other than to spite the Biden admin.
Same as 2016. If they nominate someone else, he will run as a spoiler, or otherwise make the nomination worthless. He does the same thing to downticket candidates who will not genuflect.
All he had to do was go away, let the Bidens screw everything up, and "ride to the rescue" in late 2025. That's all he had to do.
Avoiding them is EXACTLY what brought us to the place in which we find ourselves @cato potatoe
Name me ONE war that has been won by avoiding the enemy!
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Post by: libertybele on September 06, 2022, 03:18:42 pm
Yes they are corrupt. The first way to deal with corrupt policemen is to avoid them. Why was he withholding classified material, and why did he have it in the first place? It served no purpose, other than to spite the Biden admin.
Same as 2016. If they nominate someone else, he will run as a spoiler, or otherwise make the nomination worthless. He does the same thing to downticket candidates who will not genuflect.
All he had to do was go away, let the Bidens screw everything up, and "ride to the rescue" in late 2025. That's all he had to do.
In 2016 Trump was hardly a spoiler; other than Cruz, he destroyed all the other candidates quite quickly.
How and why would Trump just go away when the media is still focusing on him, the leftists are out to prevent him from running again and the FBI just raided his home? Keep in mind, that he indeed turned over documents months prior to the raid.
Just my opinion, but with Trump's following and rather large base, I highly doubt someone is going to run against him. Mittens or some other RINO might try, but it is doubtful they will even try. Why do you think they left (including RINO's) are so bent on getting rid of him??? He IS a threat and his supporters haven't gone away. He is their voice.
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Post by: cato potatoe on September 06, 2022, 03:23:11 pm
Fact of the matter is not even coordinated voter and election fraud could completely erase Trump's rise in popularity during his first term -- to the tune of nearly 11 million more votes in 2020 than in 2016 @cato potatoe --- A first for an incumbent candidate for president.
Right, but 15 million for Biden. They had no love for the cryptkeeper --- they wanted to fire Trump.
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Post by: cato potatoe on September 06, 2022, 03:25:34 pm
Avoiding them is EXACTLY what brought us to the place in which we find ourselves @cato potatoe
Name me ONE war that has been won by avoiding the enemy!
Pick your battles. Getting prosecuted for withholding "souvenirs" is just dumb.
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Post by: Bigun on September 06, 2022, 03:30:29 pm
Pick your battles. Getting prosecuted for withholding "souvenirs" is just dumb.
Do you have "special" knowledge about what was there are you just regurgitating what the thoroughly corrupt media is telling you?
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Post by: Bigun on September 06, 2022, 03:31:38 pm
Right, but 15 million for Biden. They had no love for the cryptkeeper --- they wanted to fire Trump.
Horseshit! 100%!
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on September 06, 2022, 03:42:14 pm
Right, but 15 million for Biden. They had no love for the cryptkeeper --- they wanted to fire Trump.
Explain how Biden received these magical 15 million votes without 15 million corresponding voters.
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Post by: aligncare on September 06, 2022, 03:49:46 pm
Right, but 15 million for Biden. They had no love for the cryptkeeper --- they wanted to fire Trump.
No wonder you’re so obstinate on Trump. Now I understand you. You actually believe the 2020 election results were accurate and legitimate!
Then there’s nothing left to say if you think Americans voted en mass for Biden’s lackluster campaign of lies and issues avoidance.
Biden to the rescue! Because Americans were sick of market gains, low inflation, jobs, cheap gas and enhanced border security. Trump was such a disaster!
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Post by: cato potatoe on September 06, 2022, 04:00:14 pm
Do you have "special" knowledge about what was there are you just regurgitating what the thoroughly corrupt media is telling you?
What was in the boxloads of crap they took from his house? All of this was done with a political calculation. If the contents were properly declassified, and never specifically requested, then the Biden admin looks like a bunch of thugs. I doubt it turns out that way.
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Post by: Hoodat on September 06, 2022, 04:09:09 pm
What was in the boxloads of crap they took from his house? All of this was done with a political calculation. If the contents were properly declassified, and never specifically requested, then the Biden admin looks like a bunch of thugs.
I had no idea that articles of clothing, passports, newspaper clippings, personal photos, the contents of lingerie drawers, etc. required "proper declassification".
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Post by: cato potatoe on September 06, 2022, 04:11:02 pm
Explain how Biden received these magical 15 million votes without 15 million corresponding voters.
He didn't. The population increased by 9 million, and turnout swelled to 62% of the VAP. That's about where it was in the 1960s. People were given two months to vote, with no requirement of showing up at a place they otherwise never visit, on a certain day. Trump should have encouraged more of his people to vote by mail. He was very fortunate the weather was good on election day.
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Post by: Bigun on September 06, 2022, 04:12:40 pm
I had no idea that articles of clothing, passports, newspaper clippings, personal photos, the contents of lingerie drawers, etc. required "proper declassification".
You forgot personal medical records.
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Post by: Hoodat on September 06, 2022, 04:13:20 pm
Right, but 15 million for Biden. They had no love for the cryptkeeper --- they wanted to fire Trump.
There is a huge difference between 'votes' and 'voters casting votes'. Did you know that Georgia has more names on its voter rolls than it has people eligible to vote? And in the last election, Georgia received over 160,000 ballots from new names written on voter rolls with no form of ID ever being presented?
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on September 06, 2022, 04:18:17 pm
He didn't. The population increased by 9 million, and turnout swelled to 62% of the VAP. That's about where it was in the 1960s. People were given two months to vote, with no requirement of showing up at a place they otherwise never visit, on a certain day. Trump should have encouraged more of his people to vote by mail. He was very fortunate the weather was good on election day.
You think this explains how 15 million votes don't require 15 million voters?
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Post by: Hoodat on September 06, 2022, 04:24:21 pm
Here's what happens when 'ballots' fail to show up at your inauguration.
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Post by: catfish1957 on September 06, 2022, 04:26:13 pm
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Post by: Hoodat on September 06, 2022, 04:34:14 pm
I assume you are comparing against Hillary's numbers. Biden has his own coattail numbers from 2008 and 2012. Biden lost votes the second time he ran as VP. Yet we are to believe that his total magically increased by a whopping 25% with Obama no longer on the ballot? Yeah, right.
And that still doesn't explain all the uncreased ballots that showed up in the final Georgia tally four days after election day, 99% of which went for Biden - uncreased ballots that had just been ordered from the printer by Fulton County five days before election day, not enough time to be delivered by election day.
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Post by: Hoodat on September 06, 2022, 04:38:08 pm
Let's consider that population increase, shall we? What made up that population increase? Two things:
Live births
Foreign immigrants
Neither of which would be allowed to vote in 2020. See what happens when you mindlessly parrot Democrat talking points? If you want to make a case for population increase, you would have to go back 18 years.
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Post by: cato potatoe on September 06, 2022, 04:42:58 pm
You think this explains how 15 million votes don't require 15 million voters?
You have to prove that in a court of law. As it stands, the dems just did a somewhat better job of exploiting the rules that were in place.
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Post by: Hoodat on September 06, 2022, 04:54:51 pm
You have to prove that in a court of law. As it stands, the dems just did a somewhat better job of exploiting the rules that were in place.
In Georgia, they violated the rules. Ballot harvesting is illegal in this state. Counting ballots without representatives of both Parties present is also illegal. Bypassing chain of custody is illegal. Setting up more than one drop box per county is illegal. Withholding video surveillance of drop boxes is illegal. Registering voters without proof of identification is illegal. Separating ballots from envelopes is illegal. Allowing partisan operatives directly connected to a political party to collect absentee ballots is illegal. Flooding the state by mailing absentee ballots to every registered address completely unsolicited is illegal. And denying people who show up to vote their right to vote because a mail-in ballot with their name on it (but not their signature) is also illegal. Using automated voting machines without certifying the software is illegal. So what were you saying about following the rules that were in place?
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Post by: cato potatoe on September 06, 2022, 05:12:59 pm
In Georgia, they violated the rules. Ballot harvesting is illegal in this state. Counting ballots without representatives of both Parties present is also illegal. Bypassing chain of custody is illegal. Setting up more than one drop box per county is illegal. Withholding video surveillance of drop boxes is illegal. Registering voters without proof of identification is illegal. Separating ballots from envelopes is illegal. Allowing partisan operatives directly connected to a political party to collect absentee ballots is illegal. Flooding the state by mailing absentee ballots to every registered address completely unsolicited is illegal. And denying people who show up to vote their right to vote because a mail-in ballot with their name on it (but not their signature) is also illegal. Using automated voting machines without certifying the software is illegal. So what were you saying about following the rules that were in place?
Take it up with Raffensperger. And keep in mind, the pubs dominated that state until Trump rode down the escalator.
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Post by: massadvj on September 06, 2022, 05:22:52 pm
Take it up with Raffensperger. And keep in mind, the pubs dominated that state until Trump rode down the escalator.
This is the great irony of the 2024 election. The GOP was in control in most of these states when the rules of the election were set up. Here in Pennsylvania, our Republican-dominated legislature supported vote by mail, which opened the door to massive harvesting. And whose FBI was it that made sure Facebook and Twitter put the kabosh on the Hunter Biden story? Trump's administration, that's who.
So, in so many ways, we have met the enemy and he is us.
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Post by: Hoodat on September 06, 2022, 05:25:44 pm
That's really beautiful and all. But it does absolutely nothing to refute the fact that your 'they followed the rules' claim is pure unadulterated bullshit.
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Post by: Hoodat on September 06, 2022, 05:28:33 pm
So, in so many ways, we have met the enemy and he is us.
Make note though on how quickly the argument has shifted. We have gone from 'The Democrats won fair and square' to 'Sure, the Democrats cheated, but it's the Republican's fault'.
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Post by: cato potatoe on September 06, 2022, 05:35:02 pm
Let's consider that population increase, shall we? What made up that population increase?
VAP went from 245M to 252M over four years. The rest of the increase was driven by higher turnout on both sides. About 14% of the electorate voted for the first time. Biden won them 64-32, and was dead even with the rest.
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Post by: cato potatoe on September 06, 2022, 05:40:24 pm
That's really beautiful and all. But it does absolutely nothing to refute the fact that your 'they followed the rules' claim is pure unadulterated bullshit.
I’ve listened to interviews where he dispelled rumors, one by one. Trump asked him to “find” 11,000 votes, and he refused. Republicans just gave the nod to Raff. They are ready to move on.
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Post by: Hoodat on September 06, 2022, 05:49:07 pm
How many of those were new immigrants not eligible to vote?
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Post by: Hoodat on September 06, 2022, 05:50:02 pm
I’ve listened to interviews where he dispelled rumors, one by one.
Rumors? What rumors? I am citing things that actually happened.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on September 06, 2022, 10:11:38 pm
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Post by: catfish1957 on September 06, 2022, 10:27:18 pm
And to that fact dark at the exact same time. Vote counting stopped, and every news outlet moved from tally counts to electoral analysis. A building lead in each state for Trump, then mysteriously starts reversing.
This shit had zero plausibility or probability from happening. The Steal was real, no matter how much the left whines otherwise.
@Right_in_Virginia and I manned the 2020 election thread and reported it right here as it happened.
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Post by: libertybele on September 06, 2022, 10:32:46 pm
And to that fact dark at the exact same time. Vote counting stopped, and every news outlet moved from tally counts to electoral analysis. A building lead in each state for Trump, then mysteriously starts reversing.
This shit had zero plausibility or probability from happening. The Steal was real, no matter how much the left whines otherwise.
@Right_in_Virginia and I manned the 2020 election thread and reported it right here as it happened.
I'm trying to understand why anyone still thinks that the election wasn't stolen? :shrug:
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Post by: Hoodat on September 06, 2022, 10:39:55 pm
I'm trying to understand why anyone still thinks that the election wasn't stolen? :shrug:
I'm trying to understand why a member here insists on regurgitating already disproven Democrat talking points.
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Post by: cato potatoe on September 06, 2022, 11:16:58 pm
Ever wonder why the vote counting went dark @cato potatoe ??
I don’t know why they took the night off, but they were not going to finish counting the mail ballots by morning. In most cases it took several days or weeks. The early red wave had been predicted for weeks in advance. Once the mail ins had been counted, the results were closer to what had been forecast by polling.
Clearly, the laws need to change in order to forbid the counting of ballots received after Election Day. They also need to count ballots as they arrive, as was done in Florida. Any extended count restricts the window for election challenges.
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Post by: massadvj on September 06, 2022, 11:53:06 pm
I don’t know why they took the night off, but they were not going to finish counting the mail ballots by morning. In most cases it took several days or weeks. The early red wave had been predicted for weeks in advance. Once the mail ins had been counted, the results were closer to what had been forecast by polling.
Clearly, the laws need to change in order to forbid the counting of ballots received after Election Day. They also need to count ballots as they arrive, as was done in Florida. Any extended count restricts the window for election challenges.
They need to eliminate mass mail in balloting altogether, except absentee voting where the voter has to specifically request a ballot.
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Post by: Right_in_Virginia on September 07, 2022, 02:41:13 am
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Post by: Hoodat on September 07, 2022, 02:56:15 am
I don’t know why they took the night off, but they were not going to finish counting the mail ballots by morning.
That's just it. They didn't take the night off. Here in Georgia, they told all the Republican election observers to go home. And as soon as they left, they counted ballots all night. Fresh crisp uncreased ballots. All in violation of Georgia election law.
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: Hoodat on September 07, 2022, 03:04:41 am
Fulton County, Georgia, right after Republican election monitors were told to go home and come back in the morning.
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: Hoodat on September 07, 2022, 03:11:57 am
Fulton County Election Official Admits Chain of Custody Documents Missing for 2020 Absentee Ballots Deposited in Drop Boxes
Laura Baigert | June 14, 2021
In a stunning admission about the critical chain of custody documents for absentee ballots deposited into drop boxes in the November 3, 2020 election, a Fulton County election official told The Georgia Star News on Wednesday that “a few forms are missing” and that “some procedural paperwork may have been misplaced.”
A Star News analysis of drop box ballot transfer forms for absentee ballots deposited in drop boxes provided by Fulton County in response to an Open Records Request showed that 385 transfer forms out of an estimated 1,565 transfer forms Fulton County said should have been provided are missing – a number that is significantly greater than “a few” by any objective standard.
On Sunday, The Star News published a story which included the files containing digital images of the 1,180 transfer forms that Fulton County did provide. Those digital images can be viewed here.
This is the first time that any election official at either the state or county level from a key battleground state has made an admission of significant error in election procedures for the November 3, 2020 election. . . .
Imagine that, @cato potatoe . Looks like they didn't follow the rules after all. Go figure.
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: Hoodat on September 07, 2022, 03:21:33 am
Roughly 43,000 absentee ballot counted in DeKalb County in 2020 violated chain of custody rule
More than 70% of the 61,731 absentee ballots put in drop boxes were counted, certified despite violating chain of custody requirements.
Updated: August 30, 2021 - 9:55am
More than 70% of the 61,731 absentee ballots put in drop boxes in the November 2020 presidential election in DeKalb County, Georgia, were counted and certified by officials, despite violating chain of custody requirements.
The exact number of ballots was 43,907, according to the Georgia State News. The ballots were counted and certified by county and state officials, the news outlet says.
The chain of custody requirements are set forth in Georgia Emergency Rule 183-1-14-1.8-.14 (https://sos.ga.gov/admin/files/Table%20of%20Contents%20for%20SEB%20Rule%20183-1-14-0.8-.14.pdf), put into effect by the Georgia State Election Board in July 2020 . . .
Another example of not following the rules, @cato potatoe . That there is only 44k illegal ballots in one county alone in an election that took five days of counting ballots to create a 12k lead for Biden.
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: Hoodat on September 07, 2022, 03:25:55 am
Here are some ballot batches from Fulton County that went 100% Biden, 0% Trump:
I can't believe that we still have people here denying all the mountains of evidence of election fraud while reciting the same old dishonest Democrat narrative verbatim.
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: Hoodat on September 07, 2022, 03:28:04 am
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: aligncare on September 07, 2022, 01:17:25 pm
They assassinated Trump’s character the moment he announced. From there they dragged it through the media for seven long years pummeling it with lies and accusations. Then after Trump had a hugely successful term in office, the democrat cheaters and their corrupted media helpers took his second term. Stole it from him right in front of the nation.
To quote the Ukrainian-American comedian Yakov Smirnoff, “America! I love it!”
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: Bigun on September 07, 2022, 02:07:33 pm
Judge Releases Dominion Audit Report: System ‘Designed’ to ‘Create Systemic Fraud’ (https://www.thestandardsc.org/jay-greenberg/judge-releases-dominion-audit-report-system-designed-to-create-systemic-fraud/)
Court unseals details of audit on machines in Michigan’s Antrim County
The report covers the forensic audit of Dominion’s machines in Michigan’s Antrim County — which received national attention after it was discovered that 6,000 votes for President Donald Trump were “flipped” to Democrat Joe Biden due to an “error.”
13th Circuit Court Judge Kevin Elsenheimer ordered the report’s protective order to be lifted on Monday night, allowing the details of the audit to be unsealed and released to the public. The data firm that conducted the forensic audit of Dominion Voting Systems determined that the machines and software in Michigan showed that they were designed to create fraud and influence election results, the report reveals.
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“We conclude that the Dominion Voting System is intentionally and purposefully designed with inherent errors to create systemic fraud and influence election results,” Russell Ramsland Jr., co-founder of Allied Security Operations Group, said in a preliminary report. “The system intentionally generates an enormously high number of ballot errors.
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Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: Bigun on September 07, 2022, 02:16:30 pm
Tech consultants who backed 2020 fraud claims repeatedly visited Georgia elections office, video shows (https://thehill.com/policy/technology/3630617-tech-consultants-who-backed-2020-fraud-claims-repeatedly-visited-georgia-elections-office-video-shows/)
Two technology consultants visited a Georgia county’s elections office on multiple occasions in the aftermath of a security breach of voting equipment there, surveillance video shows.
Multiple media outlets reported on Tuesday that Doug Logan and Jeffrey Lenberg visited the Coffee County election office twice in January 2021 after data forensics experts met with Cathy Latham, the then-chairwoman of the county GOP, on Jan. 7 of that year.
Lenberg visited additional times by himself.
The visits from Logan and Lenberg have previously been unreported.
Attorney Sidney Powell, who worked on former President Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election, reportedly recruited the firm that employs the data forensics experts, SullivanStrickler, to copy software and data from Dominion Voting Systems machines that the county used.
The Washington Post reported that the security footage only shows the exterior of the election office. What Logan and Lenberg did inside is uncertain.
The two consultants have been involved in pursuing voting machines in multiple states, and Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel (D) has requested a special prosecutor decide whether to back charging them for allegedly trying to illegally access election equipment in three counties in the state last year.
Logan and Lenberg could not be reached by The Hill for comment.
The surveillance footage was publicized as a result of a subpoena issued to Georgia elections officials in a lawsuit filed over the state’s election security.
Marilyn Marks, the executive director for the Coalition for Good Governance, one of the plaintiffs in the case, told The Hill that the organization did not know Logan and Lenberg had been present at the office until they saw the video last week.
She said it is unclear what they did in the election office, but their presence in the office is “very disconcerting.”...
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Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: libertybele on September 07, 2022, 02:32:30 pm
They assassinated Trump’s character the moment he announced. From there they dragged it through the media for seven long years pummeling it with lies and accusations. Then after Trump had a hugely successful term in office, the democrat cheaters and their corrupted media helpers took his second term. Stole it from him right in front of the nation.
To quote the Ukrainian-American comedian Yakov Smirnoff, “America! I love it!”
McConnell himself vowed that if Trump were the nominee, he would be a one term president. McConnell wasn't the only member of the GOP to try to stand in Trump's way to make positive progress. As well all know, in spite of that, Trump prevailed.
Yes, the election was stolen period; yet there are some still denying what happened. **nononono*
Title: Re: Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a
Post by: BellyAche on September 07, 2022, 02:54:00 pm
I can't believe that we still have people here denying all the mountains of evidence of election fraud while reciting the same old dishonest Democrat narrative verbatim.
These sample links to documents look like those necessary to show as proof in some backward area in a South American country where elections tend to always be in question and only ballot boxes are used!!! This is what we've turned into???????? **nononono*