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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: mystery-ak on January 20, 2021, 02:51:28 pm
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https://thenationalpulse.com/breaking/trump-patriot-party/ (https://thenationalpulse.com/breaking/trump-patriot-party/)
REPORT: Trump Discusses New ‘Patriot Party’ As Republicans Capitulate
January 19, 2021 Natalie Winters
President Trump reportedly discussed forming a new political party – the Patriot Party – after “feuding†with the Republican establishment.
The Wall Street Journal reported the following in its January 19th piece entitled “Trump Has Discussed Starting a New Political Partyâ€:
President Trump has talked in recent days with associates about forming a new political party, according to people familiar with the matter, an effort to exert continued influence after he leaves the White House.
Mr. Trump discussed the matter with several aides and other people close to him last week, the people said. The president said he would want to call the new party the “Patriot Party,†the people said.
Mr. Trump has feuded in recent days with several Republican leaders including Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R., Ky.), who on Tuesday said Mr. Trump deserved blame for provoking the deadly Jan. 6 riot at the Capitol. Polls show Mr. Trump retains strong support among rank-and-file GOP voters.
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https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/trump-impeachment-biden-inauguration/card/90pPMzFPqr5fMzg1Bkbs (https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/trump-impeachment-biden-inauguration/card/90pPMzFPqr5fMzg1Bkbs)
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After years of haranguing about binary choices, his acolytes are going to ensure socialist control of everything. No surprise. We all know Trump would have done this in 2016, had Cruz won the nomination.
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And leave the party the despises and refuses to represent me? I'll have to think about it.
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And leave the party the despises and refuses to represent me? I'll have to think about it.
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From what I have just read, Turtle McNoNutts blackmailed him on Pardon matters.
Turtle thrusted the knife in Trump's back and twisted it. Anyone thinking DJT won't enact revenge, hasn't been watching very closely the past 4 years. Joining this new party? Let's see how much traction he gets, and how many will join him in legsilative ranks.
Considering the GOP is morphing into a McConnell, Romney et. al party? I'll consider it.
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From what I have just read, Turtle McNoNutts blackmailed him on Pardon matters.
Turtle thrusted the knife in Trump's back and twisted it. Anyone thinking DJT won't enact revenge, hasn't been watching very closely the past 4 years. Joining this new party? Let's see how much traction he gets, and how many will join him in legsilative ranks.
Considering the GOP is morphing into a McConnell, Romney et. al party? I'll consider it.
@catfish1957 - can you elaborate on what "pardon matters" means? Or share a link to the story you read?
Thanks
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@catfish1957 - can you elaborate on what "pardon matters" means? Or share a link to the story you read?
Thanks
I'd like to know as well. I've been waiting to hear whom Trump pardoned going out the door but so far have heard nothing.
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@catfish1957 - can you elaborate on what "pardon matters" means? Or share a link to the story you read?
Thanks
From thread earlier, and discussed on Tucker Carlson last night.
@BassWrangler
@skeeter
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,426268.msg2366462.html#msg2366462 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,426268.msg2366462.html#msg2366462)
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From thread earlier, and discussed on Tucker Carlson last night.
@BassWrangler
@skeeter
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,426268.msg2366462.html#msg2366462 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,426268.msg2366462.html#msg2366462)
Its a shame Trump didn't tell McConnell to piss up a rope.
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From what I have just read, Turtle McNoNutts blackmailed him on Pardon matters.
Turtle thrusted the knife in Trump's back and twisted it. Anyone thinking DJT won't enact revenge, hasn't been watching very closely the past 4 years. Joining this new party? Let's see how much traction he gets, and how many will join him in legsilative ranks.
Considering the GOP is morphing into a McConnell, Romney et. al party? I'll consider it.
The best revenge is to primary the bastards out, make them the ones to start a new party.
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The best revenge is to primary the bastards out, make them the ones to start a new party.
I agree 100%. Problem is, is who is controlling the knobs and the buttons. (McConnel et. al.)
When you can't beat City Hall?........
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Its a shame Trump didn't tell McConnell to piss up a rope.
I'm more convinced than ever that we need a new party. I'm not thrilled about Trump leading it, to be completely honest, but the Republican Party is terminally corrupt.
And before someone claims this will just guarantee socialism, we're already looking at a decade or two of Dem wins because of their extensive, long-term strategy to take over media and education. There is no better time to start investing in a party that represents American interests and a constitutionally limited government. The Dems will ride the country into the ground. Let's be ready to pick up the pieces and rebuild. Work should start at the state level to secure conservative strongholds in a handful of carefully chosen sanctuary states.
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Trump may have all the right intentions but he needs to look into what it's truly going to take to run and win with a 3rd party. A new party or third party will NEVER win. The 'rules' and requirements to qualify in each state for a third party are different. It was set up that way in order to keep a two party system. It is also far more costly for a 3rd party. Now that we basically have a uniparty they will indeed change election rules and they again will make it impossible for a third party win.
IMHO conservatives are never going to take our country and government back unless we are able to bring the uniparty down from within just like they did with the GOP (@jmyrlefuller idea). The courts are NOT on the side of conservatism.
History is being re-written and our youth are being indoctrinated with liberal ideology and have been; that is why the push to tear down historical monuments and statues - erasing any trace of our American heritage and history. There is also a bill floating around to curtail religious freedom in this country. This ALL needs to stop in order to achieve success in seating a 3rd party in any political office as well as the presidency.
The Biden administration will destroy our Republic; perhaps a party would be able to rise to the 'occasion' then.
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How an Outsider President Killed a Party (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/history-campaign-politics-zachary-taylor-killed-whigs-political-party-213935)
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Trump may have all the right intentions but he needs to look into what it's truly going to take to run and win with a 3rd party. A new party or third party will NEVER win. The 'rules' and requirements to qualify in each state for a third party are different. It was set up that way in order to keep a two party system. It is also far more costly for a 3rd party. Now that we basically have a uniparty they will indeed change election rules and they again will make it impossible for a third party win.
IMHO conservatives are never going to take our country and government back unless we are able to bring the uniparty down from within just like they did with the GOP (@jmyrlefuller idea). The courts are NOT on the side of conservatism.
History is being re-written and our youth are being indoctrinated with liberal ideology and have been; that is why the push to tear down historical monuments and statues - erasing any trace of our American heritage and history. There is also a bill floating around to curtail religious freedom in this country. This ALL needs to stop in order to achieve success in seating a 3rd party in any political office as well as the presidency.
The Biden administration will destroy our Republic; perhaps a party would be able to rise to the 'occasion' then. I question the sanity of those who backed Biden and don't know how anyone could have voted for him. He proclaims to be a practicing Catholic, yet he is going to implement laws to ensure Roe v. Wade is never overturned, stomping on religious freedom, allowing refugees into this countries from areas of known Christian persecution and also granting asylum to millions of illegals. Not to mention listing those who didn't support him as domestic terrorists!
It is beyond my comprehension. He clearly lacks character and a moral compass!
His political record, especially under Obama should have sent out red flags.
I think you make good points. My thought on the 3rd party (and I heard this here - it's not my idea) is that we start at the state level. A 3rd party with control of one or more state legislatures can work within those states to change the rules. This isn't something that will happen in 4 years; we are talking decades. But it will never happen if we don't try.
Regarding bringing the corrupt parties down, isn't that in effect what Trump attempted to do? The deep state crushed him like a grape. He was totally defeated and everything he accomplished is about to be undone. Not a single one of the corrupt Dems or Repubs was indicted. OK, I guess that one lawyer who faked a document did get indicted, but all the big players walked away unscathed.
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I'm more convinced than ever that we need a new party. I'm not thrilled about Trump leading it, to be completely honest, but the Republican Party is terminally corrupt.
And before someone claims this will just guarantee socialism, we're already looking at a decade or two of Dem wins because of their extensive, long-term strategy to take over media and education. There is no better time to start investing in a party that represents American interests and a constitutionally limited government. The Dems will ride the country into the ground. Let's be ready to pick up the pieces and rebuild. Work should start at the state level to secure conservative strongholds in a handful of carefully chosen sanctuary states.
My thinking has evolved on this subject but I believe you are right. Sometimes an organization becomes so irredeemably corrupt it is beyond salvage. At this point we really have nothing to lose.
Trump doesn’t have to be a candidate in a new party but I’m afraid it’ll need his star power to launch.
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The best revenge is to primary the bastards out, make them the ones to start a new party.
It's been tried several times and ultimately fails because so many of the "reformers" either are corrupted by the DC establishment, or were never really reformers to begin with.
A new party changes the dynamic because those that don't hold to the party's principals have no place to go.
The problem with a new party is too much attention is spent on electing people to the federal govt. If a new party is going to be successful it has to have a strong base. IOW, a new party must first control local, county and state elected offices. If Trump goes ahead with the Patriot Party I'm sure he will want to attack DC first, but those below him must identify States where there is a strong desire for a 3rd Party and develop that quickly.
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I think you make good points. My thought on the 3rd party (and I heard this here - it's not my idea) is that we start at the state level. A 3rd party with control of one or more state legislatures can work within those states to change the rules. This isn't something that will happen in 4 years; we are talking decades. But it will never happen if we don't try.
Regarding bringing the corrupt parties down, isn't that in effect what Trump attempted to do? The deep state crushed him like a grape. He was totally defeated and everything he accomplished is about to be undone. Not a single one of the corrupt Dems or Repubs was indicted. OK, I guess that one lawyer who faked a document did get indicted, but all the big players walked away unscathed.
It won't take decades. The process will accelerate as the unrepresented in a State begin to realize there is a real alternative.
It is a massive undertaking, but once it gets going in a solid conservative Trump State it will take off. It's more important to get people elected to the local school board than Congress at the outset. We need State Legislators and Secretary's of State, Congress is just gravy.
DC is owned by China, and large Corp's. that's not going to be changed.
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My thinking has evolved on this subject but I believe you are right. Sometimes an organization becomes so irredeemably corrupt it is beyond salvage. At this point we really have nothing to lose.
Trump doesn’t have to be a candidate in a new party but I’m afraid it’ll need his star power to launch.
:amen:
We need Trump to get the ball rolling.
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How an Outsider President Killed a Party (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/history-campaign-politics-zachary-taylor-killed-whigs-political-party-213935)
A good article, despite it being Pollutico, about the demise of the Whigs. the Republicans are headed in that direction, but not if I can help it.
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If Trump is willing to enter the maelstrom again,more power to him,he reversed the Deep State better than any one else i have seen. However, Remember Ross Perot ? He tried a third party and got the Palin, Flynn, Trump treatment and BOTH parties agreed to the PUBLIC, IT DIDN'T MATTER IF YOU VOTED FOR A DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN, JUST DON'T VOTE FOR ROSS PEROT.
Yeah,the Deep State was active even back then. A third party has to defeat the democrats and Republicans merging as one to defeat a third party. Do you think a third party can ?
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If Trump is willing to enter the maelstrom again,more power to him,he reversed the Deep State better than any one else i have seen. However, Remember Ross Perot ? He tried a third party and got the Palin, Flynn, Trump treatment and BOTH parties agreed to the PUBLIC, IT DIDN'T MATTER IF YOU VOTED FOR A DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN, JUST DON'T VOTE FOR ROSS PEROT.
Yeah,the Deep State was active even back then. A third party has to defeat the democrats and Republicans merging as one to defeat a third party. Do you think a third party can ?
:patriot:
I believe a party unequivocally running on a platform of America First will have great appeal among the voters of both parties.
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I believe a party unequivocally running on a platform of America First will have great appeal among the voters of both parties.
Such a party cannot be a traditional Conservative party as we've known, there has to be a big tent, with the focus on several points, the rest folks can agree to disagree on. But it is going to take a big coalition to make this work, it cannot be narrow in scope.
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If Trump is willing to enter the maelstrom again,more power to him,he reversed the Deep State better than any one else i have seen. However, Remember Ross Perot ? He tried a third party and got the Palin, Flynn, Trump treatment and BOTH parties agreed to the PUBLIC, IT DIDN'T MATTER IF YOU VOTED FOR A DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN, JUST DON'T VOTE FOR ROSS PEROT.
Yeah,the Deep State was active even back then. A third party has to defeat the democrats and Republicans merging as one to defeat a third party. Do you think a third party can ?
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You're still talking about leaping right into national elections. Scroll up and read again.
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It's been tried several times and ultimately fails because so many of the "reformers" either are corrupted by the DC establishment, or were never really reformers to begin with.
A new party changes the dynamic because those that don't hold to the party's principals have no place to go.
The problem with a new party is too much attention is spent on electing people to the federal govt. If a new party is going to be successful it has to have a strong base. IOW, a new party must first control local, county and state elected offices. If Trump goes ahead with the Patriot Party I'm sure he will want to attack DC first, but those below him must identify States where there is a strong desire for a 3rd Party and develop that quickly.
Yes, exactly
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Such a party cannot be a traditional Conservative party as we've known, there has to be a big tent, with the focus on several points, the rest folks can agree to disagree on. But it is going to take a big coalition to make this work, it cannot be narrow in scope.
The platform writes itself. In fact, American First was where this nation began, all contemporary labels notwithstanding. Such a party in power would compliment the constitution and federalism nicely.
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Can a third party defeat election fraud and the billions of dollars of foreign money opposed to it? Foreign money won this election,what makes you think future third part can over throw it? billions, not millions
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Can a third party defeat election fraud and the billions of dollars of foreign money opposed to it? Foreign money won this election,what makes you think future third part can over throw it? billions, not millions
Neither can the GOP. We have lost. We now have nothing to lose.
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Can a third party defeat election fraud and the billions of dollars of foreign money opposed to it? Foreign money won this election,what makes you think future third part can over throw it? billions, not millions
A "third party" (I prefer the term "second party" because the GOP and the Rats are in it together) that isn't beholding to the election theft is more likely to do something about it than the current Parties, as presently constituted. They're all compromised now, and Trump succeeded in stripping their masks.
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After years of haranguing about binary choices, his acolytes are going to ensure socialist control of everything. No surprise. We all know Trump would have done this in 2016, had Cruz won the nomination.
Exactly. Trump's need for continued relevance requires him to continue scamming his supporters. Those more interested in fighting back against Biden/Harris/Pelosi and their prog agenda will stick with the GOP.
It is ironic that Trump seeks to maintain his relevance by rendering his supporters irrelevant. Third parties are vanity projects that never work.
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https://thenationalpulse.com/breaking/trump-patriot-party/ (https://thenationalpulse.com/breaking/trump-patriot-party/)
REPORT: Trump Discusses New ‘Patriot Party’ As Republicans Capitulate
January 19, 2021 Natalie Winters
President Trump reportedly discussed forming a new political party – the Patriot Party – after “feuding†with the Republican establishment.
The Wall Street Journal reported the following in its January 19th piece entitled “Trump Has Discussed Starting a New Political Partyâ€:
more
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/trump-impeachment-biden-inauguration/card/90pPMzFPqr5fMzg1Bkbs (https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/trump-impeachment-biden-inauguration/card/90pPMzFPqr5fMzg1Bkbs)
I’m in if he does this...I’d rather he stay and push out the RINO’s and establishment I’ll...but if Trump starts a Pattiot party...I’m in. Let the GOP wither and die.
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Neither can the GOP. We have lost. We now have nothing to lose.
Exactly!
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And leave the party the despises and refuses to represent me? I'll have to think about it.
:patriot: :yowsa: :amen:
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FWIW
John Cardillo @johncardillo
Ross Perot was a billionaire. He failed at a third party run, split the vote, and gave it to Clinton.
Michael Bloomberg is worth 40x what Perot was. He knew a third party run was a fool’s errand and didn’t try.
The answer is taking over the GOP and remaking it America First.
1:07 PM · Jan 20, 2021
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Exactly. Trump's need for continued relevance requires him to continue scamming his supporters. Those more interested in fighting back against Biden/Harris/Pelosi and their prog agenda will stick with the GOP.
It is ironic that Trump seeks to maintain his relevance by rendering his supporters irrelevant. Third parties are vanity projects that never work.
Well, as Trump cultists we’re incapable of independent thought. On a serious note, outside of Trump the GOP has done nothing to “fight back†against Biden/Harris/Pelosi...why would anyone expect anything different in the next 4 years? And if you think Trump voters are irrelevant you’re going to be in for a rude surprise in 2025 when he gives his 2nd inauguration speech.
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START A NEW PARTY AND HAND IT OVER TO THE DEMOCRATS
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Bad idea.
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Those more interested in fighting back against Biden/Harris/Pelosi and their prog agenda will stick with the GOP.
Yes, thank goodness we have such strong willed warriors as McConnell and Graham to lead the way in the fight against creeping Marxism.
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Yes, thank goodness we have such strong willed warriors as McConnell and Graham to lead the way in the fight against creeping Marxism.
Because the GOP has done so well to date.
The only leader willing to fight them in a meaningful way just left town.
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The GOP has been dead to me since 2004. I've voted only once GOP~Ted Cruz/2012. A 3rd party is the only way to go, IMHO and I have been advocating this for many years BUT if yall put Trump in charge of it, you can count me out. /JS
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The GOP has been dead to me since 2004. I've voted only once GOP~Ted Cruz/2012. A 3rd party is the only way to go, IMHO and I have been advocating this for many years BUT if yall put Trump in charge of it, you can count me out. /JS
My loyalty never was to the GOP nor Trump (though I'm fairly satisfied with his performance as President). It's to the principles of our Founders and the actual words of our Constitution. It's a pleasant surprise to find someone who shares that loyalty and to have a chance to cast a vote for that person. I believe Cruz does. I know of a couple of guys from my state who, unfortunately, probably won't be running for Congress.
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The GOP has been dead to me since 2004. I've voted only once GOP~Ted Cruz/2012. A 3rd party is the only way to go, IMHO and I have been advocating this for many years BUT if yall put Trump in charge of it, you can count me out. /JS
I don't think he'd be more than a figurehead with the moneybags. That lightning rod has fulfilled its purpose.
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My loyalty never was to the GOP nor Trump (though I'm fairly satisfied with his performance as President). It's to the principles of our Founders and the actual words of our Constitution. It's a pleasant surprise to find someone who shares that loyalty and to have a chance to cast a vote for that person. I believe Cruz does. I know of a couple of guys from my state who, unfortunately, probably won't be running for Congress.
I still think the GOP is the more practical tool to accomplish this objective...but it needs serious overhauling from the ground up. That's why I ran for the County office that I did. It's time I took a hand at that tiller, even if it's considered a "small" County not large enough for its own Congressional District.
But if it goes badly, then the GOP may see a County Executive of the Party take a walk. For me, leaving the GOP is a tad more complicated than changing my voter registration. :shrug:
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The GOP has been dead to me since 2004. I've voted only once GOP~Ted Cruz/2012. A 3rd party is the only way to go, IMHO and I have been advocating this for many years BUT if yall put Trump in charge of it, you can count me out. /JS
I've laid out reasons before why a 3rd party will never be able to win and with the DEMS inevitably changing the election rules; you can rest assured that they will make rules to strictly retain power.
As for Trump ... just my opinion, but I think he's left the political arena behind. I don't blame him
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I've laid out reasons before why a 3rd party will never be able to win and with the DEMS inevitably changing the election rules; you can rest assured that they will make rules to strictly retain power.
As for Trump ... just my opinion, but I think he's left the political arena behind. I don't blame him
Agreed. I hope he can walk with his head held high, and say, "My job here is done."
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I still think the GOP is the more practical tool to accomplish this objective...but it needs serious overhauling from the ground up. That's why I ran for the County office that I did. It's time I took a hand at that tiller, even if it's considered a "small" County not large enough for its own Congressional District.
But if it goes badly, then the GOP may see a County Executive of the Party take a walk. For me, leaving the GOP is a tad more complicated than changing my voter registration. :shrug:
I'm not leaving the GOP, but I sure want to see them straighten up and fly right. The best candidate for governor in my state in 2020 ran as a write-in. The Democrat and Republican candidates were pretty pathetic, but the best guy had no realistic shot at it, sad to say. I want to see people like him in leadership positions within the GOP.
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Bad idea.
Good idea. All the wrong reasons.
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The GOP has been dead to me since 2004. I've voted only once GOP~Ted Cruz/2012. A 3rd party is the only way to go, IMHO and I have been advocating this for many years BUT if yall put Trump in charge of it, you can count me out. /JS
Dittos.
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Trump would be a GREAT ASSET to have for obvious reasons but only in an advisory role, IMHO.
I have become somewhat more cynical these last few years, particularly politically, so I suspect we'll all sit around and talk it to death, waiting on Trump till it's to late, if the past is any indication.
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You w/see some less-than-fervent Republicans primaried out.
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You w/see some less-than-fervent Republicans primaried out.
Not going to happen... I been screaming 'Throw the bastards out' for a long, long time. Though I pray I live to see the day all y'all actually mean it. and stand up to fight for what you purport to believe in instead of playing team sports, or bowing to fear.
And that ain't said to offend.
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I still think the GOP is the more practical tool to accomplish this objective...but it needs serious overhauling from the ground up. That's why I ran for the County office that I did. It's time I took a hand at that tiller, even if it's considered a "small" County not large enough for its own Congressional District.
But if it goes badly, then the GOP may see a County Executive of the Party take a walk. For me, leaving the GOP is a tad more complicated than changing my voter registration. :shrug:
That reminds me that I need to change my voter registration.
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That reminds me that I need to change my voter registration.
:laugh: :beer:
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:laugh: :beer:
Done. I am no longer affiliated with any party.
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Some Twitter chatter on the topic.
President Poso @JackPosobiec
I don't think creating a new party is the right move
Taking over one is
3:48 PM · Jan 20, 2021·
R. @islandbornecon1
Replying to @JackPosobiec
THANK YOU! I've been saying this since 70% of the GOP base is MAGA. The correct move is to use this strategic position to remove establishment members in Legislature with our populist movement & take over the GOP. 75M are now awake, now its time we go to work.
3:58 PM · Jan 20, 2021
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Some Twitter chatter on the topic.
Exactly. If you are stranded on an island and you see a boat offshore, do you build a new boat or do you get on the boat that's already there?
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So much hope and energy, too bad it was insufficient this last election, eh? Trump is old, so am i. Good luck for some day, if the nation can hold together that long. The futility of getting people to see sense is disturbing, now.
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Exactly. If you are stranded on an island and you see a boat offshore, do you build a new boat or do you get on the boat that's already there?
Depends, I'd say, on if you can swim :shrug:
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Exactly. If you are stranded on an island and you see a boat offshore, do you build a new boat or do you get on the boat that's already there?
I say you build a new boat, because you know exactly how it is built and what it is built with to ensure that it is seaworthy.
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mountaineer wrote:
"Yes, thank goodness we have such strong willed warriors as McConnell and Graham to lead the way in the fight against creeping Marxism."
Marxism it is.
But it ain't "creeping" no more.
It's full-speed ahead from today onward... 1917 all over again...
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I say you build a new boat, because you know exactly how it is built and what it is built with to ensure that it is seaworthy.
You and I are in complete agreement. It has been a long road to get to here, but I now believe there is no redeeming the GOP, not only has it been part of the problem, it is no longer an effective force in government - it exists now only to provide cover for the statists, to lend to the facade of a republic.
I’m not surrendering, I’m just acknowledging that the weapons we’ve been given with which to fight have had their firing pins and breech blocks removed, and will not shoot.
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Lot's of talk and speculation about the President forming a new party, running for political office, etc.
I say that's all it is. My bet is he's not going to do either. Don Jr. might or someone else that Trump backs...but I don't think Trump himself will.
IF Trump was about 10 years younger, I'd say perhaps all the talk and speculation of him running for office might be plausible. At age 74 I think he's going to call it quits.
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You and I are in complete agreement. It has been a long road to get to here, but I now believe there is no redeeming the GOP, not only has it been part of the problem, it is no longer an effective force in government - it exists now only to provide cover for the statists, to lend to the facade of a republic.
I’m not surrendering, I’m just acknowledging that the weapons we’ve been given with which to fight do not shoot.
The sooner people acknowledge that the GOP is dead and there's nothing left to fight with, the better.
Never surrender. Regroup and recalculate how to win! I believe right now that's what our focus needs to be. How do 75+ million people win?
BUT, and this I feel is important; Just remember, 75 million sounds like a lot but amnesty is being granted to over 11,000,000 which will quickly multiply when there families join them. Then there's the refugees that will be granted status and within 5 years they will be eligible for citizenship.
So ... we WILL be outnumbered. So, I don't know if what we are hoping for is even a reality.
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I think the beginning of the article is pretty telling:
President Trump has talked in recent days with associates about forming a new political party, according to people familiar with the matter, an effort to exert continued influence after he leaves the White House.
Sorry folks, but IMHO this is nothing more than a rumor. In an effort to exert continued influence? Do you really think he wants that headache?
He's looking at lawsuits, and the threat of going to jail. Think again. Just my opinion.
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I think the beginning of the article is pretty telling:
President Trump has talked in recent days with associates about forming a new political party, according to people familiar with the matter, an effort to exert continued influence after he leaves the White House.
Sorry folks, but IMHO this is nothing more than a rumor. In an effort to exert continued influence? Do you really think he wants that headache?
He's looking at lawsuits, and the threat of going to jail. Think again. Just my opinion.
Trump understands this: The best defense is a strong offense. Don't expect him to go quietly into the good night.
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I think the beginning of the article is pretty telling:
President Trump has talked in recent days with associates about forming a new political party, according to people familiar with the matter, an effort to exert continued influence after he leaves the White House.
Sorry folks, but IMHO this is nothing more than a rumor. In an effort to exert continued influence? Do you really think he wants that headache?
He's looking at lawsuits, and the threat of going to jail. Think again. Just my opinion.
Just a thought, but if he wanted to go silently into the night he would have given himself a pardon. He knows he hasn't done anything wrong and he's willing to fight. He's a shark. He has to keep moving forward or he dies.
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Perhaps amnesia is the problem. Any country can vote socialism/
Communism, it takes a gun to change out from it. Socialist/Communist recognized that a long time ago, that's why they move quickly to remove freedom of speech and impose gun control. That's for those of you very ignorant of how this works and those willfully blind. Communist ARE WILLING TO TEACH YOU BUT IT TAKES A VERY HIGH STACK OF BODIES the way they teach. (fools wouldn't have it any other way).
As people still take the advice of those that advocated the defeat of Trump. Expecting to solve this problem from those that took part in causing it. It's a horse laugh for those standing on the side lines.
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Trump understands this: The best defense is a strong offense. Don't expect him to go quietly into the good night.
Spot on.
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Not going to happen... I been screaming 'Throw the bastards out' for a long, long time. Though I pray I live to see the day all y'all actually mean it. and stand up to fight for what you purport to believe in instead of playing team sports, or bowing to fear.
And that ain't said to offend.
I have been saying throw them out since the "them" for this state in DC were Democrats.
SSDD...
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Maybe there is some validity to this? .... another news source reporting
.........On Tuesday, reports said the President discussed forming a so-called “Patriot party†with some of his top aides and supporters. Traditionally, third parties have failed to gain steam in challenging both the Democrat and Republican parties. However, due to his large base of supporters and the record number of people who voted for him in 2020, many believe President Trump has what it takes to carry on the movement.
According to Politico, he spent days calling his close advisors to ask what he needs to do to “stay part of the conversation.†In his ‘farewell address,’ the President hinted at his future political career by saying the ‘MAGA movement’ is only just beginning......
https://www.oann.com/report-president-trump-considers-forming-patriot-party/ (https://www.oann.com/report-president-trump-considers-forming-patriot-party/)
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Some (unidentified) opportunist has created a Patriot Party persona on Twitter. So far, it seems to be a money-making venture. Buy the T-shirt!
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The GOP is old, tired, out of touch and out of ideas. it is ripe for a takeover.
It will take too much time to get a new party up and running.
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First order of business: elect actual conservatives to state legislatures, AG and Secretary of State positions - and demand they prohibit the type of election shenanigans we saw in November.
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First order of business: elect actual conservatives to state legislatures, AG and Secretary of State positions - and demand they prohibit the type of election shenanigans we saw in November.
Gee, that somehow sounds so familiar. Here, have some TEA...
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First order of business: elect actual conservatives to state legislatures, AG and Secretary of State positions - and demand they prohibit the type of election shenanigans we saw in November.
I agree with you absolutely. The problem has always been though not enough true conservatives running to fill those positions. Local level as well.
Ultimately finding younger true conservatives to run would be the best case scenario. One of the local universities around here at one time had a Young Republican's Club that was very active. But after several years it died out.
IMHO the key to ending this liberal takeover is getting conservative leadership on the school boards and changing education to include conservatism; teaching true American history, American government and mandate graduation requirements to include a semester on the U.S. Constitution.
Unfortunately, this will take decades and I doubt I'll be around to see it should it be successful.
Forming a new party from the ground up I don't think will work (just my opinion); but will work would be rather infiltrating the DEM party with true conservatives that will operate under the DEM umbrella but vote conservatively.
The other problem of course is the SCOTUS being packed with liberals.
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I agree with you absolutely. The problem has always been though not enough true conservatives running to fill those positions. Local level as well.
Ultimately finding younger true conservatives to run would be the best case scenario. One of the local universities around here at one time had a Young Republican's Club that was very active. But after several years it died out.
Excellent synopis, but the problem is that the dim/MSM/Tech machine has effectively vilified conservatives so badly now, that that fact has to be scaring off the bench talent. Which is kind of how I felt when I told people I voted for Ford (my first election) post Nixon era.
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I agree with you absolutely. The problem has always been though not enough true conservatives running to fill those positions. Local level as well.
Ultimately finding younger true conservatives to run would be the best case scenario. One of the local universities around here at one time had a Young Republican's Club that was very active. But after several years it died out.
IMHO the key to ending this liberal takeover is getting conservative leadership on the school boards and changing education to include conservatism; teaching true American history, American government and mandate graduation requirements to include a semester on the U.S. Constitution.
Unfortunately, this will take decades and I doubt I'll be around to see it should it be successful.
Forming a new party from the ground up I don't think will work (just my opinion); but will work would be rather infiltrating the DEM party with true conservatives that will operate under the DEM umbrella but vote conservatively.
The other problem of course is the SCOTUS being packed with liberals.
Who knows what the future holds? I know one guy just got elected to a County Party Board not yet ready to give up.
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Excellent synopis, but the problem is that the dim/MSM/Tech machine has effectively vilified conservatives so badly now, that that fact has to be scaring off the bench talent. Which is kind of how I felt when I told people I voted for Ford (my first election) post Nixon era.
Nonsense. The GOP bench is talented, conservative and deep. Once we get over the Trump hangover, we will understand that the future is bright.
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Who knows what the future holds? I know one guy just got elected to a County Party Board not yet ready to give up.
I commend you for your efforts. It is going to take thousand of people like you running and getting elected to make a dent. The problem still remains and always has been getting true conservatives run and then to get seated.
McConnell purposefully directs funds so that his incumbent RINO cronies remain seated to ensure conservatives don't get in. He does what he can to ensure that incoming conservatives don't win -- Cruz relays the games that McConnell plays in his books.
You are absolutely right. No one knows what the future holds. I am absolutely certain that this election was stolen, our SCOTUS looked the other way and our Republic is being rapidly transformed. Sloe Joe will ensure that everything President Trump did will be undone; I'm sure they've been working months on the papers that they want him to sign.
I haven't given up, but I cannot and will not support the GOP. I stopped supporting the party itself years ago and I have only supported a local state representative and Cruz since 'W' choked in his 2nd term.
I can't even say that I will continue to support Cruz at this point. He has done nothing to make me think any less of him, I just feel that this battle is over and a new battle needs to be started in order to win. He must see the writing on the wall. There's no way he's going to win his next term compliments of thousands of illegals eligible to vote, changed electoral laws and rigged voting machines. I think he realizes that.
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First order of business: elect actual conservatives to state legislatures, AG and Secretary of State positions - and demand they prohibit the type of election shenanigans we saw in November.
This is where a 3rd party needs to start. Trying to reform the Pub party from the ground up is a waste of time. The new members will quickly be taught that they better go along with the old order of things or they will not advance. If those positions are filled with 3rd party people the potential for corruption is much less because there is no one ahead of them handing out goodies.
@libertybele has pointed out that existing election laws will make it tough for a 3rd party and the ruling elites will change the laws if they perceive a threat, this is one of the reasons a 3rd party has to start at the State level. Once a 3rd party has a majority in a State govt. changing the election laws to hurt them becomes very hard.
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Nonsense. The GOP bench is talented, conservative and deep. Once we get over the Trump hangover, we will understand that the future is bright.
Well @Jazzhead again, you are absolutely missing one HUGE factor. This movement was never about Trump. It was about the hearts and souls of "We the People". Yes there were some that adored Trump just because of who he was; the vast majority supported him because he represented the voice of the people. Big difference.
Your definition of the GOP is much different than mine. There are probably no more than a handful of conservatives left in either House.
So explain to me, with the fraud that occurred, the SCOTUS being packed with liberals, and asylum granted to millions, how you mathematically figure that any GOP will ever be seated again?
Wake up and look at what is going on. Take a reality check. We lost our Republic. If you haven't realized that by now, you will once socialism smacks you in the face.
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The sooner people acknowledge that the GOP is dead and there's nothing left to fight with, the better.
Never surrender. Regroup and recalculate how to win! I believe right now that's what our focus needs to be. How do 75+ million people win?
BUT, and this I feel is important; Just remember, 75 million sounds like a lot but amnesty is being granted to over 11,000,000 which will quickly multiply when there families join them. Then there's the refugees that will be granted status and within 5 years they will be eligible for citizenship.
So ... we WILL be outnumbered. So, I don't know if what we are hoping for is even a reality.
:amen:
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This is where a 3rd party needs to start. Trying to reform the Pub party from the ground up is a waste of time. The new members will quickly be taught that they better go along with the old order of things or they will not advance. If those positions are filled with 3rd party people the potential for corruption is much less because there is no one ahead of them handing out goodies.
@libertybele has pointed out that existing election laws will make it tough for a 3rd party and the ruling elites will change the laws if they perceive a threat, this is one of the reasons a 3rd party has to start at the State level. Once a 3rd party has a majority in a State govt. changing the election laws to hurt them becomes very hard.
@bilo yes, each state has their own set of election laws, however, each state MUST follow federal election laws.
So IMHO, what just happened to the GOP (several coups enacted) will need to happen to the DEMS and a whole new party can be inserted then.
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I agree with you absolutely. The problem has always been though not enough true conservatives running to fill those positions. Local level as well.
Ultimately finding younger true conservatives to run would be the best case scenario. One of the local universities around here at one time had a Young Republican's Club that was very active. But after several years it died out.
You WILL get MORE of what you vote FOR. The act of voting 'against' - not caring what your guy is - That almost necessitates a diminishing return in your own. When people are not held to a standard, invariably they will gravitate lower. Walking up a ravine, it is clearly easier to follow the bottom. Why strive? That is why there are too few. Because striving sucks. People come out of the bottom of that ravine to struggle up the high sides only because they are driven there.
If you want Conservatism to increase, DEMAND they walk the line. And the young, up and coming, will be shaped by that environment. They will rise to meet the standard, because they will know getting in what that standard is. If that is sustained, it becomes the norm, and in that normalcy will rise statesmen instead of mere politicians, because those thieving bastards, young in that day, will not care to strive that hard, and will instead tend to turn to other venues, where picking peoples pockets might not be so hard to do.
It is the same thing in business - Everybody whines about crappy Chinese products. but everybody buys them. And businessmen are going to continue to sell y'all crap so long as you continue to buy it. And the next generation of products will be crappier than we have now.
It isn't until everybody starts demanding quality that there will be profit in quality. The demand for quality will provide it's own path as businessmen start failing because their junk won't sell, The next group up and coming will know a higher standard must be employed in order to profit.
It is the very same in ALL things. You get what you pay for. What you buy, you'll get more of. What you vote for, you'll get more of.
It is the demand for orthodoxy and real performance that will produce orthodoxy and real performance.
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Emerald Robinson
@EmeraldRobinson
Our political elites have a big problem on their hands: more people showed up in Florida to watch President Trump drive to Mar-A-Lago than showed up for the Inauguration.
8:30 PM · Jan 20, 2021·Twitter Web App
https://twitter.com/EmeraldRobinson/status/1352065880046317573
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Nonsense. The GOP bench is talented, conservative and deep. Once we get over the Trump hangover, we will understand that the future is bright.
Nonsense. We've just experienced a paradigm shift. Get used to it.
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Nonsense. We've just experienced a paradigm shift. Get used to it.
What is interesting is the difference between Jazz' sideline sniping and the real life experiences of a Cyber on the Executive Board of a small County GOP. I wonder which will produce the better results?
I really don't know the answer, it may be a colossal waste of time. Meh, being retired has its benefits.
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I still think the GOP is the more practical tool to accomplish this objective...but it needs serious overhauling from the ground up. That's why I ran for the County office that I did. [...]
An overhaul from the ground up is a new party, is it not @Cyber Liberty I don't think we've ever had such a large swath of voters -- and political officeholders --- ready for such a change.
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An overhaul from the ground up is a new party, is it not @Cyber Liberty I don't think we've ever had such a large swath of voters -- and political officeholders --- ready for such a change.
I don't know if it requires a whole new party, but I explained before they elected me that if we don't fix it, the GOP is going the way of the Whigs. It would surely shake things up if I leave the Party before the 22 Election.
Sometimes it requires a really stupid and futile gesture....
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I don't know if it requires a whole new party, but I explained before they elected me that if we don't fix it, the GOP is going the way of the Whigs. It would surely shake things up if I leave the Party before the 22 Election.
Sometimes it requires a really stupid and futile gesture....
Maybe not a whole new party; just a new name and branding, new leadership and a new party platform. wink777
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I don't know if it requires a whole new party, but I explained before they elected me that if we don't fix it, the GOP is going the way of the Whigs. It would surely shake things up if I leave the Party before the 22 Election.
Sometimes it requires a really stupid and futile gesture....
Can it be fixed? Haven't we been trying for years to fix it? Much like nothing has been done to prevent election fraud, nothing has been done to "fix" it, either.
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Can it be fixed? Haven't we been trying for years to fix it? Much like nothing has been done to prevent election fraud, nothing has been done to "fix" it, either.
:amen:
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Can it be fixed? Haven't we been trying for years to fix it? Much like nothing has been done to prevent election fraud, nothing has been done to "fix" it, either.
I dunno. It might be futile. :shrug:
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Can it be fixed? Haven't we been trying for years to fix it? Much like nothing has been done to prevent election fraud, nothing has been done to "fix" it, either.
No. I don't think that it can. The GOP, nor the government as it is can be fixed. Especially not from the top down. It will take many election cycles to revamp the GOP even if we begin to somehow rebuild from the bottom up, something that should have been done since W's first term of office. We don't have decades to rebuild; our country IS being destroyed NOW.
Only with a new party/government is there any hope and even that is a big "IF". The DEMS will start changing laws and loading the courts with liberals to ensure that they stay in power and that a GOP is never seated again. Many of us saw this coming and many refused to open their eyes. Here we sit.
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I dunno. It might be futile. :shrug:
Unlike the Constitution Party, which never really 'took off'....(different time, different circumstances)...
I think a new Trump-inspired Patriot Party would succeed. I think there's enough pissed off (former) GOP voters that would jump at the chance to leave the RINO Uniparty and join the PP. And I'm one of them. :whistle:
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@bilo yes, each state has their own set of election laws, however, each state MUST follow federal election laws.
So IMHO, what just happened to the GOP (several coups enacted) will need to happen to the DEMS and a whole new party can be inserted then.
Obviously that's not the case for Rats, just look at PA.
The point I'm making is a 3rd party has to place a greater emphasis on City, County, State offices than Federal positions. Control the State before worrying about congressional seats. If the movement is big enough at the State level a fair number of congressional seats will flip.
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Obviously that's not the case for Rats, just look at PA.
The point I'm making is a 3rd party has to place a greater emphasis on City, County, State offices than Federal positions. Control the State before worrying about congressional seats. If the movement is big enough at the State level a fair number of congressional seats will flip.
In theory yes. In reality no. The DEMS will change voting laws and procedures so that they never lose a seat and they will continue with election fraud to seat who they want. Combine that will all the illegals that will be given voting rights and all the refugees that can apply for citizenship and there is no way that there is going to be a 3rd party win... New party/government, win maybe.
That is my opinion and the reality that I see anyways.
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No. I don't think that it can. The GOP, nor the government as it is can be fixed. Especially not from the top down. It will take many election cycles to revamp the GOP even if we begin to somehow rebuild from the bottom up, something that should have been done since W's first term of office. We don't have decades to rebuild; our country IS being destroyed NOW.
Only with a new party/government is there any hope and even that is a big "IF". The DEMS will start changing laws and loading the courts with liberals to ensure that they stay in power and that a GOP is never seated again. Many of us saw this coming and many refused to open their eyes. Here we sit.
I think we have to be honest with ourselves. The possibility of saving the Republic from the fascist state is not going to happen.
If we recognize that the fascist state is here to stay the question is how do we respond. I think the answer is separation and if this is our goal how do we do it. I believe a 3rd party starting at the State level in multiple States can achieve this goal once it controls several State Houses. The fascists don't want the deplorables and if we are running several States and make life difficult for them eventually they will be happy to let us go.
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Sometimes it requires a really stupid and futile gesture....
I can do that... It's sorta my signature move. Here. Hold my beer... :laugh:
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bilo wrote:
"I think we have to be honest with ourselves. The possibility of saving the Republic from the fascist state is not going to happen."
Give up this "facist" nonsense.
Change that to "communist", and I can agree with almost everything else you wrote.
Why can't the folks in this forum start calling a spade, a spade...?
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I can do that... It's sorta my signature move. Here. Hold my beer... :laugh:
In politics, sometimes whe you lose, you win.
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Gee, that somehow sounds so familiar. Here, have some TEA...
THe biggest problem with that is that with TEA, people thought they'd done their part and could go home, in full confidence those they'd elected would represent them.
OOPS.
At least half of them forgot every promise they'd made on the way from the stump to the Beltway, and the complacency of the electorate bought them all the time they needed to fully abandon their platforms before swearing in.
That fault goes to the voters who, lacking due diligence, got suckered by opportunists, and ended up voting for more of the same ol' sme ol'.
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THe biggest problem with that is that with TEA, people thought they'd done their part and could go home, in full confidence those they'd elected would represent them.
OOPS.
At least half of them forgot every promise they'd made on the way from the stump to the Beltway, and the complacency of the electorate bought them all the time they needed to fully abandon their platforms before swearing in.
That fault goes to the voters who, lacking due diligence, got suckered by opportunists, and ended up voting for more of the same ol' sme ol'.
nah. It got deep-sixed by folks running after shiny things... YOu forget we were all set to have a TEA Party president with control of both houses. All that was left was to shovel Turtle out of the way - Which a TEA Party victory would do... But no - Folks spoiled the only chance we've had since 94 for a New York City liberal. What a profound waste.
And you will continue to lose em. You will continue to be betrayed. The trick is to keep going election after election.and keep pushing the betrayers out... There is no reason whatsoever to put up with the likes of Turtle and Grahamnesty till retirement. The hue and cry should have been soundly against them in conservative media in the hope that their own would get their dander up and vote em out.
That is what needs to happen if the Pubs are to be revitalized. And it will need to happen in any new party just the same.
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Exactly. If you are stranded on an island and you see a boat offshore, do you build a new boat or do you get on the boat that's already there?
@dfwgator
Well,unlike a old boat,a new boat has no hull damage,no rot,no wormholes,and has never been sank or rammed and half-assed repaired. If you want to go off sailing in it all you have to do is untie from the dock.
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@dfwgator
Well,unlike a old boat,a new boat has no hull damage,no rot,no wormholes,and has never been sank or rammed and half-assed repaired. If you want to go off sailing in it all you have to do is untie from the dock.
Mebbe. Maybe the old boat is seaworthy and they fell off the transom taking a leak. I'd at least check it out before I went splitting palm trees with seashells and chunks of coral.
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THe biggest problem with that is that with TEA, people thought they'd done their part and could go home, in full confidence those they'd elected would represent them.
My main rememberances with TEA is what the left and media lackey do every time people on the right side of the poliical spectra gather and organize..... Falsely paint them as racist, then demonize them 24/7. Was the same script applied to recent MAGA to a "T"
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My main rememberances with TEA is what the left and media lackey do every time people on the right side of the poliical spectra gather and organize..... Falsely paint them as racist, then demonize them 24/7. Was the same script applied to recent MAGA to a "T"
I think maybe the media has overplayed that bullshit and people are not afraid anymore. Calling someone a rassist and biggot has lost it's cutting power as it is just a throw away line used by the left when they are losing a debate.
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The wicked demonized Jesus and continue the practice of that method to this very day. Demonizing the innocent placates fools that want easy answers to difficult situations/problems. They screamed at Trump, except their voices have damped greatly since. They demand severe accountability of others, little to none for themselves. How God hates hypocrites !
Why or they not loud and proud, their man Biden is taking actions with their support!
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My main rememberances with TEA is what the left and media lackey do every time people on the right side of the poliical spectra gather and organize..... Falsely paint them as racist, then demonize them 24/7. Was the same script applied to recent MAGA to a "T"
That's my memory of how it went as well. Whatever we do next, we need to proactively work to neuter the bogus "racist!" narrative before it gets traction.
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I think maybe the media has overplayed that bullshit and people are not afraid anymore. Calling someone a rassist and biggot has lost it's cutting power as it is just a throw away line used by the left when they are losing a debate.
No, quite the opposite. People get fired and have their lives ruined over these bogus racism charges now.
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That's my memory of how it went as well. Whatever we do next, we need to proactively work to neuter the bogus "racist!" narrative before it gets traction.
@BassWrangler
What we need to do is just laugh at them. They take themselves so serious that people just laughing at them will destroy their will. What we have to remember is that at their core,they are nothing more than spoiled little children having hissy-fits.
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@BassWrangler
What we need to do is just laugh at them. They take themselves so serious that people just laughing at them will destroy their will. What we have to remember is that at their core,they are nothing more than spoiled little children having hissy-fits.
Good point, @sneakypete . That's probably the best way to improve our own mental state as well. I reactivated my Twitter account (although no posts or likes) and am enjoying some of the posts making fun of Xiden.
I'm hoping that Rush makes a miraculous recovery from cancer, in part because 4 years of Rush making fun of Biden sounds like tons of fun.
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I'm hoping that Rush makes a miraculous recovery from cancer, in part because 4 years of Rush making fun of Biden sounds like tons of fun.
'Me too. While Carlson and Levin are more than apt pitbulls, only Rush can deliver a barb to the idiot left with the tact and effect of a Babylon Bee piece.
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The only thing that w/wake people up to the fallacy of the new regime is large scale catastrophe. Our rights w/b taken away in imperceptible slices.It w/take massive riots/economic depression/real threat of war. The leftists in charge of the government won't warn us of coming trouble, and the media will hide everything till it's on us.
For example, the last thing we'll hear is that our enemies have become a serious threat because that w/mean more spending on the military.The idiot is already calling for 5-year START treaty; you know the Russians will cheat-and that fact will be hidden from us.
It w/indeed take catastrophe to wake this nation up, but then it mite be too late.
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The only thing that w/wake people up to the fallacy of the new regime is large scale catastrophe. Our rights w/b taken away in imperceptible slices.It w/take massive riots/economic depression/real threat of war. The leftists in charge of the government won't warn us of coming trouble, and the media will hide everything till it's on us.
For example, the last thing we'll hear is that our enemies have become a serious threat because that w/mean more spending on the military.The idiot is already calling for 5-year START treaty; you know the Russians will cheat-and that fact will be hidden from us.
It w/indeed take catastrophe to wake this nation up, but then it mite be too late.
We're old folks here, and the shorthand doesn't work well. :shrug:
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The only thing that w/wake people up to the fallacy of the new regime is large scale catastrophe. Our rights w/b taken away in imperceptible slices.It w/take massive riots/economic depression/real threat of war. The leftists in charge of the government won't warn us of coming trouble, and the media will hide everything till it's on us.
For example, the last thing we'll hear is that our enemies have become a serious threat because that w/mean more spending on the military.The idiot is already calling for 5-year START treaty; you know the Russians will cheat-and that fact will be hidden from us.
It w/indeed take catastrophe to wake this nation up, but then it mite be too late.
Not to be a grammar nazi, but the w/ in any context I have seen, is denoting "with". I think I figured out what you meant, but please take the time to express your thoughts clearly. Any thought worth expressing is worth writing out, and you deserve to give your thoughts that consideration.
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The catastrophe is coming. I believe it will take the form of China moving to take over Taiwan while simultaneously Iran creates a disruption. I think China will also shut down the Panama canal at the same time. We can also expect massive cyber war and a large disruption to our power grid.
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We can't have problems with China, or Russia, or third world dictators, democrats are their best buddies ! They get near everything they want, that we have, for them!
As many deep Staters that Trump appointed, my confidence is a bit shaken.
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The catastrophe is coming. I believe it will take the form of China moving to take over Taiwan while simultaneously Iran creates a disruption. I think China will also shut down the Panama canal at the same time. We can also expect massive cyber war and a large disruption to our power grid.
Timing would make sense, considering the drooling fool in there now. Also, who on earth thinks the US economy is indicative and sustainable with a 30K DJIA, and $30T in debt. More warning signs being flashed than 1987, 2000, and 2008 combined.
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The catastrophe is coming. I believe it will take the form of China moving to take over Taiwan while simultaneously Iran creates a disruption. I think China will also shut down the Panama canal at the same time. We can also expect massive cyber war and a large disruption to our power grid.
Forgive me if I'm past the point of caring. happy77
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The caring will come when you have to decide which of your family members you will eat to keep all from starving. UTOPIA. UTOPIA, UTOPIA Yes, real consequences for iniquities is coming. Encompassing not just the doers, but those accepting of iniquities as well.
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The catastrophe is coming. I believe it will take the form of China moving to take over Taiwan while simultaneously Iran creates a disruption. I think China will also shut down the Panama canal at the same time. We can also expect massive cyber war and a large disruption to our power grid.
With a disruption to our power grid people won't be able to do any banking or make purchases or access banking or purchases on line. Stores won't be able to operate other than cash only (just like during a bad hurricane). Keep a lot of cash on hand outside of your bank. Buy gold. Continue to stock up on food, water and other supplies.
Social security and any direct deposits that you have won't be accessible so you can't count on that money.
Most importantly, make sure you have some sort of paper trail or proof of your assets; mortgage deeds, bank statements, brokerage statements, car titles, etc...
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You're preaching to the Choir here mostly @christian but realize some of us here never bought a ticket on the Trump Train and said similar to what your saying in 2016. Apparently, very few listened to US at that time, either. :shrug:
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Forgive me if I'm past the point of caring. happy77
@mrpotatohead
I understand you think you are,but you will start caring again when you have to get ratio cards to get Chinese canned goods to eat,gas for your car,and the hours you are allowed to use electricity are restricted.
And I can only hope no one in your family needs critical care treatment.
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This massive slow train wreck Biden, McConnell, Graham, and Pelosi have forced us on is a long WAYS FROM BEING OVER. If you only realized how few survivors there will be. By the time you realize, there will be no turning back. Death will have its hey day
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This massive slow train wreck Biden, McConnell, Graham, and Pelosi have forced us on is a long WAYS FROM BEING OVER. If you only realized how few survivors there will be. By the time you realize, there will be no turning back. Death will have its hey day
In a short period of time though, they are also going to start turning on each other.
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I hear ya @corbe ...but the last thing that I could find on a positive note to post was an article on geologists finding rare rocks that looked like Cookie Monster. (Hey I even posted a pic to cheer everyone up).
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I am still so damn depressed @libertybele I can't do ANY news right now. I seem to be perpetually stuck in between p0rn and my addiction to Cheetos. *
* There's a Trump joke in there, somewhere.
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I am still so damn depressed @libertybele I can't do ANY news right now. I seem to be perpetually stuck in between p0rn and my addiction to Cheetos. *
* There's a Trump joke in there, somewhere.
Got ya, Cheetos and all. There's not a dang thing we can do about it, except if you can to get involved locally; even at that, it would take several if not many election cycles and try winning at a ballot box which has no integrity. Other than that saying hundreds of '"Hail Mary's" and thousands of "Our Fathers" and beg for a miracle is about it.
I've mentioned many times and made a suggestion to start a topic on 'Where Do Conservatives Go From Here?" Thinking that Trump is going to lead another party, IMHO is just not going to happen. I'll refrain from all the reasons why as I can already feel all the spears, arrows and mud slinging coming at me because of my opinion.
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Timing would make since, considering the drooling fool in there now. Also, who on earth thinks the US economy is indicative and sustainable with a 30K DJIA, and $30T in debt. More warning signs being flashed than 1987, 2000, and 2008 combined.
Good point. That'll be another prong of the ChiCom attack - destabilizing the dollar and hence our economy.
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In the 176 year of the history of my little city (New Braunfels) there has only been one City Council Member that has been Recalled I was on that No Beer Ban Committee and it was successful. On my next Civic Adventure I campaigned for the Incumbent in my Texas House Representative race, he lost. I had a bias against the guy that won (Bidermann, TX 73) but it turns out years later he is a Darling after all. He proposed a Texas Succession Bill in this TX Congress.
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Good point. That'll be another prong of the ChiCom attack - destabilizing the dollar and hence our economy.
IMHO the goal of China being the dominant currency is the main reason COVID was inflicted upon the World -- Sloe Joe, Hunter and Fauci have been very accommodating to them. Everyone in the Biden administration will profit handsomely. They will also find themselves expendable.
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In the 176 year of the history of my little city (New Braunfels) there has only been one City Council Member that has been Recalled I was on that No Beer Ban Committee and it was successful. On my next Civic Adventure I campaigned for the Incumbent in my Texas House Representative race, he lost. I had a bias against the guy that won (Bidermann, TX 73) but it turns out years later he is a Darling after all. He proposed a Texas Succession Bill in this TX Congress.
Speaking of New Braunfels ... I've actually looked at homes on line in that area. We have considered moving to TX ... lots to think about and plan for yet. It is rated as the best place in TX to live.
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It's getting a little to big for me (New Braunfels) But there is a lot to love here.
I'm getting lucrative offers for my place once a week, this area is exploding.
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In a short period of time though, they are also going to start turning on each other.
I still think we should all get CB radios. Glass tubes...none of that solid-circuitry BS!! LOL! :laugh: :patriot:
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I still think we should all get CB radios. Glass tubes...none of that solid-circuitry BS!! LOL! :laugh: :patriot:
....or Hamm radios?? I don't know which is better??? But I certainly agree with you.
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It's getting a little to big for me (New Braunfels) But there is a lot to love here.
I'm getting lucrative offers for my place once a week, this area is exploding.
I didn't realize that you were moving. I thought the area appeared to be somewhere out in the countryside with some mountains?
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It can be quite hilly around here with some picturesque valleys 10 miles away but the mountains are further west closer to the Guadalupe range.
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/3d/18/b4/3d18b4d12e06b174dad6ea4a78a0f36b.jpg)
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....or Hamm radios?? I don't know which is better??? But I certainly agree with you.
It's true.
Things can change quickly. Not always in one's favor.
During McCain/Palin and certainly during Romney/Ryan my posts about Conservatives becoming today's 1930's European Jew were done with tongue firmly in cheek.
Today, the parallels could make a blind man see.
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DC Patriot wrote:
"During McCain/Palin and certainly during Romney/Ryan my posts about Conservatives becoming today's 1930's European Jew were done with tongue firmly in cheek."
My predictions were never tongue-in-cheek.
And they go back a LONG way:
(I dare you to read them)
2008:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2131348/posts?page=87#87 (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2131348/posts?page=87#87)
Also in 2008:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1968738/posts?page=74#74 (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1968738/posts?page=74#74)
And one more:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2046184/posts?page=35#35 (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2046184/posts?page=35#35)
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It can be quite hilly around here with some picturesque valleys 10 miles away but the mountains are further west closer to the Guadalupe range.
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/3d/18/b4/3d18b4d12e06b174dad6ea4a78a0f36b.jpg)
Wow. It looks absolutely beautifully inviting!
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I am still so damn depressed @libertybele I can't do ANY news right now. I seem to be perpetually stuck in between p0rn and my addiction to Cheetos. *
* There's a Trump joke in there, somewhere.
@corbe
What,you can't combine the two? Where is your sense of adventure?
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IMHO the goal of China being the dominant currency is the main reason COVID was inflicted upon the World -- ...
@libertybele
IMNSHO,it was nothing less that a VERY clever way to win a World War without having to fight it.
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@libertybele
IMNSHO,it was nothing less that a VERY clever way to win a World War without having to fight it.
You are correct. For now. We shall see what happens.
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my addiction to Cheetos. *
*Puffy, slightly stale :beer: :seeya:
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*Puffy, slightly stale :beer: :seeya:
Sitting naked in a beanbag chair.
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My brother the mensa was telling me he thinks Biden is planned to do all the vile p.c., dirty work for the party, then be impeached and step down, leaving Kamala to step in the lurch the virgin princess without blemish to take over and reign in purity with the dirty work already done. One world government, as so well forewarned in prophesy.
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My brother the mensa was telling me he thinks Biden is planned to do all the vile p.c., dirty work for the party, then be impeached and step down, leaving Kamala to step in the lurch the virgin princess without blemish to take over and reign in purity with the dirty work already done. One world government, as so well forewarned in prophesy.
@christian
*I* am NOT going to be the one to tell you he is wrong.
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In a short period of time though, they are also going to start turning on each other.
Actually, because they are so immisciably diverse, that is more likely than them turning on us. Unless the MSM can keep them focused on a 'common enemy', they will turn on each other over who gets what slice of 'the pie'.
See, I knew I could get us talking about pie...
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My brother the mensa was telling me he thinks Biden is planned to do all the vile p.c., dirty work for the party, then be impeached and step down, leaving Kamala to step in the lurch the virgin princess without blemish to take over and reign in purity with the dirty work already done. One world government, as so well forewarned in prophesy.
The Whore of Babylon?
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My brother the mensa was telling me he thinks Biden is planned to do all the vile p.c., dirty work for the party, then be impeached and step down, leaving Kamala to step in the lurch the virgin princess without blemish to take over and reign in purity with the dirty work already done. One world government, as so well forewarned in prophesy.
LOLOL....we have a mensa member in our family as well. This guy was BRILLIANT, but didn't have the sense to come in out of the rain....literally. His den had a leak in the roof and he'd watch tv with an umbrella...lol. The quote I read and really love is....What is smart if you don't know what to do with it?
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(: :pondering:
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The Whore of Babylon?
Well, she certainly meets half of that description.
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Trump Has Political Plans For 2022, Abandons Idea Of Creating Third Political Party: Report
By Ryan Saavedra
Jan 24, 2021 DailyWire.com
President Donald Trump has reportedly dropped an idea to start a third political party, which was briefly floated last week, and is now focused on helping the Republican Party win back the House and the Senate in 2022. ... Full story at Daily Wire (https://www.dailywire.com/news/trump-has-political-plans-for-2022-abandons-idea-to-create-third-party)
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Trump Has Political Plans For 2022, Abandons Idea Of Creating Third Political Party: Report
By Ryan Saavedra
Jan 24, 2021 DailyWire.com
President Donald Trump has reportedly dropped an idea to start a third political party, which was briefly floated last week, and is now focused on helping the Republican Party win back the House and the Senate in 2022. ... Full story at Daily Wire (https://www.dailywire.com/news/trump-has-political-plans-for-2022-abandons-idea-to-create-third-party)
I hope Trump is feeding the GOP some of its own medicine to get past this impeachment sham.
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Well, she certainly meets half of that description.
Would you believe the Whore of Babylon (by the Bay)?
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Well, she certainly meets half of that description.
Indeed she does!
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I hope Trump is feeding the GOP some of its own medicine to get past this impeachment sham.
I think once he gets past the impeachment sham, he'll drop out of politics completely.
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I think once he gets past the impeachment sham, he'll drop out of politics completely.
Pass me some of what ever fairy dust you are smoking.
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Pass me some of what ever fairy dust you are smoking.
@Wingnut
Ground RINO feces,spiced with fairy farts. She toots it on an hourly basis.
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Trump Has Political Plans For 2022, Abandons Idea Of Creating Third Political Party: Report
By Ryan Saavedra
Jan 24, 2021 DailyWire.com
President Donald Trump has reportedly dropped an idea to start a third political party, which was briefly floated last week, and is now focused on helping the Republican Party win back the House and the Senate in 2022. ... Full story at Daily Wire (https://www.dailywire.com/news/trump-has-political-plans-for-2022-abandons-idea-to-create-third-party)
I think it's a mistake.
I will support Pubs that supported Trump, but I'm done with supporting a Pub just because it's the lesser of two evils.
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@Wingnut
Ground RINO feces,spiced with fairy farts. She toots it on an hourly basis.
WTH is your problem? RINO feces? I've never been for RINO's ever. My hands were slapped long ago for even using the term.
As for Trump's political ambitions; he'll do what he needs to do to avoid impeachment. As for leading a 3rd political party, you might want to review posts with links that I've provided that makes it impossible for a 3rd party win.
In light of this past election, do you honestly believe that there's any chance of winning at the ballot box? The DEMS have fraud and corruption down pat at the precincts. Do you honestly believe that the DEMS won't enact further laws making it impossible for a 3rd party run, especially if they know that's Trump's plans.
I'll say it again; they only way out of this hole is to get conservatives elected from the ground up (that's going to take many election cycles to be even be remotely successful) or put in place a new govt.
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/75466738.jpg)
https://www.forbes.com/2010/05/13/third-parties-fusion-voting-elections-opinions-columnists-bruce-bartlett.html?sh=75813d0a5f7a (https://www.forbes.com/2010/05/13/third-parties-fusion-voting-elections-opinions-columnists-bruce-bartlett.html?sh=75813d0a5f7a)
https://courses.lumenlearning.com/os-government2e/chapter/the-two-party-system/ (https://courses.lumenlearning.com/os-government2e/chapter/the-two-party-system/)
https://courses.lumenlearning.com/boundless-politicalscience/chapter/minor-political-parties/ (https://courses.lumenlearning.com/boundless-politicalscience/chapter/minor-political-parties/)
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I think it's a mistake.
I will support Pubs that supported Trump, but I'm done with supporting a Pub just because it's the lesser of two evils.
@bilo
I think you misunderstand. In MY opinion the message is to insure Republican slots from the town level to the state capital are filled with conservatives. In many cases,this will mean tossing out the "go along to get alone" traditional pol,so toss the bastards out and replace them with someone serious about doing the job.
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@bilo
I think you misunderstand. In MY opinion the message is to insure Republican slots from the town level to the state capital are filled with conservatives. In many cases,this will mean tossing out the "go along to get alone" traditional pol,so toss the bastards out and replace them with someone serious about doing the job.
@sneakypete
LOL! Such a simple concept. Yet, my mind's eye is 'seeing' Chauncy the Gardener narrating.
Plant the seed and it will grow. Watering defective seeds? Not so much. :laugh:
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@sneakypete
LOL! Such a simple concept. Yet, my mind's eye is 'seeing' Chauncy the Gardener narrating.
Plant the seed and it will grow. Watering defective seeds? Not so much. :laugh:
A journey of 1,000 miles begins with one step. I've taken a step or two, and I encourage all to follow. Start by getting appointed to Precinct Committeeman in the communities in which we live. Then start seizing leadership roles in the County Parties.
Let the fertile seeds take root....
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@sneakypete
LOL! Such a simple concept. Yet, my mind's eye is 'seeing' Chauncy the Gardener narrating.
Plant the seed and it will grow. Watering defective seeds? Not so much. :laugh:
The problem always has been finding enough true conservatives to actually run.
Who to trust anymore? Little Marco sure sang a nice conservative tune when he was campaigning and I and many others thought that he was the GOP's new golden boy when he first entered the political scene until he changed his tune and joined the Gang of Eight; he morphed into a RINO in no time.
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The problem always has been finding enough true conservatives to actually run.
Who to trust anymore? Little Marco sure sang a nice conservative tune when he was campaigning and I and many others thought that he was the GOP's new golden boy when he first entered the political scene until he changed his tune and joined the Gang of Eight; he morphed into a RINO in no time.
The only certainty is if we leave RINOs in office, they'll stab us in the back. Who knows what the crop of nOObs will produce?
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LOLOL....we have a mensa member in our family as well. This guy was BRILLIANT, but didn't have the sense to come in out of the rain....literally. His den had a leak in the roof and he'd watch tv with an umbrella...lol. The quote I read and really love is....What is smart if you don't know what to do with it?
Yeah, a friend of mine had allowed a mensa twit to stay in his spare bedroom for a while. She was so smart, she almost burned the house down while trying to multi-task at cooking and being on the internet at the same time....lol.
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The only certainty is if we leave RINOs in office, they'll stab us in the back. Who knows what the crop of nOObs will produce?
What 'we'? I didn't vote for another six years of Mitch, da Bitch. And most of the other GOPe RINOs keep getting elected despite 'our' best efforts and fairy-tale wishes to get them out. I don't see that changing now, miraculously. Do you?
I turned off Faux News on election night and haven't tuned in since. I cancelled Amazon Prime and won't go back. And I am just one among millions. After the back-stabbing the Uniparty just engaged in, how many patriots out there do you think will NEVER vote GOP again?
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What 'we'? I didn't vote for another six years of Mitch, da Bitch. And most of the other GOPe RINOs keep getting elected despite 'our' best efforts and fairy-tale wishes to get them out. I don't see that changing now, miraculously. Do you?
I turned off Faux News on election night and haven't tuned in since. I cancelled Amazon Prime and won't go back. And I am just one among millions. After the back-stabbing the Uniparty just engaged in, how many patriots out there do you think will NEVER vote GOP again?
Agreed. I refuse to support the GOP which has more RINO's in it then conservatives.
Lots of talk about putting conservatives in and forming a new GOP from the ground up. I absolutely agree with the theory; that was a theory that Dr. Ron Paul had stated years ago. However I am looking at the situation more realistically here. There a couple of problems with that now; for that theory to succeed it will take many election cycles and the other problem is that it is difficult to find true conservatives to actually run and even more difficult for them to win seats. The way the DEMS have asylum and fraudulent voting set up it will be next to impossible for a conservative to be seated again.
IMHO I think there are only two viable options; infiltrate from within - conservatives working against them under the DEM umbrella or new govt in place.
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Agreed. I refuse to support the GOP which has more RINO's in it then conservatives.
Lots of talk about putting conservatives in and forming a new GOP from the ground up. I absolutely agree with the theory; that was a theory that Dr. Ron Paul had stated years ago. However I am looking at the situation more realistically here. There a couple of problems with that now; for that theory to succeed it will take many election cycles and the other problem is that it is difficult to find true conservatives to actually run and even more difficult for them to win seats. The way the DEMS have asylum and fraudulent voting set up it will be next to impossible for a conservative to be seated again.
IMHO I think there are only two viable options; infiltrate from within - conservatives working against them under the DEM umbrella or new govt in place.
The problem is.... our side tends to be too honest to fool the rats into thinking they are like-minded rats. And it soils the very soul to even have to be around the RL, IMO. So infiltration probably isn't going to work, unfortunately. I just think the time is ripe for that 3rd patriot party right now. Better now than later. Dunno... :shrug:
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What 'we'? I didn't vote for another six years of Mitch, da Bitch. And most of the other GOPe RINOs keep getting elected despite 'our' best efforts and fairy-tale wishes to get them out. I don't see that changing now, miraculously. Do you?
I turned off Faux News on election night and haven't tuned in since. I cancelled Amazon Prime and won't go back. And I am just one among millions. After the back-stabbing the Uniparty just engaged in, how many patriots out there do you think will NEVER vote GOP again?
I mean "We" who have RINOS for Representatives and Senators, of course. yogi555
(My Senators are full-blown leftist Rats, and my Rep is Paul Gosar, who's no RINO.)
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I mean "We" who have RINOS for Representatives and Senators, of course. yogi555
(My Senators are full-blown leftist Rats, and my Rep is Paul Gosar, who's no RINO.)
As for those senators and reps that are full-blown leftist Rats, posing as Republicans.... how do you propose that they get voted out? Especially if/when we can no longer trust the results from the election booth. Sorry for my pessimism .... but I'm thinking if we're not going to have a revolution to right the wrongs... at least a Patriot Party might succeed against the left. Hope springs?
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The problem is.... our side tends to be too honest to fool the rats into thinking they are like-minded rats. And it soils the very soul to even have to be around the RL, IMO. So infiltration probably isn't going to work, unfortunately. I just think the time is ripe for that 3rd patriot party right now. Better now than later. Dunno... :shrug:
An article has been posted that Trump plans on running for office in 2022 rather than forming a 3rd party. I'm doubtful that he'll do either. I think right now he's rattling some chains to keep them from impeaching him.
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As for those senators and reps that are full-blown leftist Rats, posing as Republicans.... how do you propose that they get voted out? Especially if/when we can no longer trust the results from the election booth. Sorry for my pessimism .... but I'm thinking if we're not going to have a revolution to right the wrongs... at least a Patriot Party might succeed against the left. Hope springs?
They need to be Primaried. They will find a lot of resistance if they do the usual song and dance to justify voting for the left.
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An article has been posted that Trump plans on running for office in 2022 rather than forming a 3rd party. I'm doubtful that he'll do either. I think right now he's rattling some chains to keep them from impeaching him.
I think you're right there. He's keeping them wondering and confused and worried, like he always did.
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They need to be Primaried. They will find a lot of resistance if they do the usual song and dance to justify voting for the left.
The problem (one of them) is.... there are always those voters that will continue to vote 'as they always have'... no matter what, out of habit, ignorance, convenience and apathy. And those voters probably don't do political forums, news sites or internet.... so how on earth can you educate them at this point?
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There can be no doubt, President Trump can and will win the next Presidential election, just like he won the last one. Except that little annoying fact that the democrats finally have their one party government and will engage in election tactics to an extreme, much more than they did this last time. For deniers and covert RINO's this little annoyance fact gives them great comfort. This last election was the whole ball of wax, the Republic ceases to exist, one party rules comrades. The dullard/oblivious will of course take longer to realize the obvious.
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There can be no doubt, President Trump can and will win the next Presidential election, just like he won the last one. Except that little annoying fact that the democrats finally have their one party government and will engage in election tactics to an extreme, much more than they did this last time. For deniers and covert RINO's this little annoyance fact gives them great comfort. This last election was the while ball of wax, the Republic ceases to exist, one party rules comrades. The dullard/oblivious will of course take longer to realize the obvious.
Unfortunately and sadly very true.
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I created a separate thread about some alternate approach to voting called "STAR voting". The idea is that it allows people to express their preference for several candidates for the same office. It eliminates the expense of a run-off while at the same time preventing the problem of 3rd-party "spoiler" candidates. I would appreciate it if anyone interested would comment in the other thread:
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,426833.msg2369951.html#msg2369951 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,426833.msg2369951.html#msg2369951)
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Wow. It looks absolutely beautifully inviting!
Just remember during the summer there it can be 105 in the shade, and the only green are the Mesquite and Cedar trees. Well, a few cacti too.
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But it's Dry Heat unlike that $hit in Houston or Florida @IsailedawayfromFR :beer:
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But it's Dry Heat unlike that $hit in Houston or Florida @IsailedawayfromFR :beer:
Yeah, but not as dry as the California desert I used to live in.
Best thing to do when it is that hot is to float the river with the ice chest.
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@sneakypete
LOL! Such a simple concept. Yet, my mind's eye is 'seeing' Chauncy the Gardener narrating.
Plant the seed and it will grow. Watering defective seeds? Not so much. :laugh:
@DCPatriot
That's me alright. The spitting image.
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There can be no doubt, President Trump can and will win the next Presidential election, just like he won the last one. Except that little annoying fact that the democrats finally have their one party government and will engage in election tactics to an extreme, much more than they did this last time. For deniers and covert RINO's this little annoyance fact gives them great comfort. This last election was the whole ball of wax, the Republic ceases to exist, one party rules comrades. The dullard/oblivious will of course take longer to realize the obvious.
So why don't you just kill yourself then?
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The problem always has been finding enough true conservatives to actually run.
Who to trust anymore? Little Marco sure sang a nice conservative tune when he was campaigning and I and many others thought that he was the GOP's new golden boy when he first entered the political scene until he changed his tune and joined the Gang of Eight; he morphed into a RINO in no time.
@libertybele
The tough part is the ideal candidate is an intelligent man or woman with a strong sense of right and wrong,but lacking the overpowering urge to take charge and rule the world. That's a rare combination.
Then again,there are lots of locals who are intelligent with a strong sense of right and wrong who would be perfectly happy making their little garden into a local Eden. They are not lacking in ambition so much as they are happy living the life they are living where they are living.
In other words,it shouldn't be too hard to fill the "local spots" with honorable people. For lack of a better word,lets call this Base 1.
Base 2 is where it starts to get tough because you want men and women who are willing to live home base and move in order to accept more power and a more powerful position in state government. Egos will start to emerge. It is VERY important to try to pick men and women for these positions who are VERY happily married and IF they have children,the children either be so young they are in pre-school,or old enough to be in college. The prime reason for this is "One less distraction,one less problem."
Next step up is national,and this is where it REALLY gets tough. I have no advise on this level.
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The only certainty is if we leave RINOs in office, they'll stab us in the back. Who knows what the crop of nOObs will produce?
@Cyber Liberty
I don't,but I do know it would be awful tough for them to be any worse than the people we want them to replace.
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Weird T.
So why don't you just kill yourself then?
christian:
Facing reality means time to off yourself? That murderers and liberals way of thinking that way. Your way of thinking, not mine.
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John Adams:
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
christian:
The socialist realizing this, corrupted America on every level, including Churches and schools. As people ignored God being ushered out of government, public buildings and schools, they knew just how to infiltrate and under mine America's foundations. Without such, as Adams said, our Constitution is inadequate to deal with the problems we now face. Either back track to where we were unstoppable=unbeatable or continue going over the cliff to demise and desolation. The way the Nazis and Commies-Stalinist went is such an ugly way to go. We will fare no better that way.
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I hear ya @corbe ...but the last thing that I could find on a positive note to post was an article on geologists finding rare rocks that looked like Cookie Monster. (Hey I even posted a pic to cheer everyone up).
Oh thanks. The only thing more disgusting than corbe's post is having to see it twice.
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christian:
Facing reality means time to off yourself? That murderers and liberals way of thinking that way. Your way of thinking, not mine.
Well yeah, sound pretty hopeless according to you.
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There's a problem when a critical election doesn't get the attention it deserved. The nation was built on courage and the willingness to sacrifice to benefit the nation-people. Too many people won't fight, but they sure will pizz and moan after the election.
Benjamin F. Those willing to give up freedoms for a little security deserve neither.
Like defunding the police, then expecting them to be there when you want them. I D I O T S
tHE SOCIALISTS RECOGNIZE THEIR TRAITORS IN OUR MIDST.
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There's a problem when a critical election doesn't get the attention it deserved. The nation was built on courage and the willingness to sacrifice to benefit the nation-people. Too many people won't fight, but they sure will pizz and moan after the election.
Benjamin F. Those willing to give up freedoms for a little security deserve neither.
Like defunding the police, then expecting them to be there when you want them. I D I O T S
tHE SOCIALISTS RECOGNIZE THEIR TRAITORS IN OUR MIDST.
@christian
Respect you as a member and always read your posts.
That said, "THEIR" or They're ?? :laugh:
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Well yeah, sound pretty hopeless according to you.
You just lived through a period of 3 years of record economic numbers and world peace, where one man righted all the wrongs done to the USA in previous trade arrangements.
Did I say, "ONE MAN"?
To say that Donald J. Trump is "...one in a million..." is an insult to him. And you know it.
Name another? Anybody?
You virtually 'disappeared' from the forum for most of his term.
You only show up like a boss when there's a mob forming. Look it up. You hated and insulted him leading up to and then beyond 11/08/16.
As the list of Briefers who originally disliked/mistrusted Donald Trump and realized the error in judgment grew, you lost your voice. The 'voice' that's crowing these days.
Nobody here can name a single person that can wrest the White House back and duplicate President Trump's numbers.
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The problem (one of them) is.... there are always those voters that will continue to vote 'as they always have'... no matter what, out of habit, ignorance, convenience and apathy. And those voters probably don't do political forums, news sites or internet.... so how on earth can you educate them at this point?
You don't "educate" them - you form coalitions with them. This attitude that other folks are stupid or venal and just need to be reeducated smacks of Marxism. No, other folks are just as smart and concerned about the nation as you - they just have different views.
Folks with different viewpoints can come together in a grand coalition forming an electoral majority. That is what the GOP is supposed to be about. Otherwise you and your faction will end up playing in a corner, with no political power or influence.
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Trump has disavowed any interest in creating a third party.
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Saw last night (supposed) that Turtle is capitulating on the Fillibuster rule.
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Trump has disavowed any interest in creating a third party.
That is smart of him. If he's going to abandon the GOP, then why vote for his acquittal in the Senate?
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Saw last night (supposed) that Turtle is capitulating on the Fillibuster rule.
Of course he's 'capitulating'. Why would he try to obstruct an agenda he is basically in accord with?
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Of course he's 'capitulating'. Why would he try to obstruct an agenda he is basically in accord with?
What nonsense
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Saw last night (supposed) that Turtle is capitulating on the Fillibuster rule.
I didn't read what he said that way. But then that was 12 hours ago and cocaine Mitch might of had an itch in his anal regions.
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Trump has disavowed any interest in creating a third party.
But only while threatening to primary the sellouts. Think "art of the deal". You haven't figured out his tactics by now?
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I didn't read what he said that way. But then that was 12 hours ago and cocaine Mitch might of had an itch in his anal regions.
Have you looked at his "Power sharing" deal? There's little doubt in my mind Mitch's piles are acting up.
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But only while threatening to primary the sellouts. Think "art of the deal". You haven't figured out his tactics by now?
I think a lot will hinge on who gets the upper hand going toward 2024. If we see a Jeb, Kasich, type I am 90% sure MAGA will be organizing as a 3rd party in earnest.
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There's little doubt in my mind Mitch's piles are acting up.
Mitch is a pile (of excrement)
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Mitch is a pile (of excrement)
Indeed he is.
BTW I hear Trump has created the "Office of the Former President", a takeoff on Biden's "Office of the President Elect".
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You don't "educate" them - you form coalitions with them. This attitude that other folks are stupid or venal and just need to be reeducated smacks of Marxism. No, other folks are just as smart and concerned about the nation as you - they just have different views.
Folks with different viewpoints can come together in a grand coalition forming an electoral majority. That is what the GOP is supposed to be about. Otherwise you and your faction will end up playing in a corner, with no political power or influence.
Wrong, as usual... lunkhead. There are plenty of voters out there that are disconnected from truths coming from conservative talk radio and internet sites that are not left-leaning. I know one Dem that only hears her news from NPR. She has NO CLUE what's been going on in America re: reality ....especially concerning the recent election theft. And no, it's not Marxist to attempt to inform folks like her. It's the Marxist way that has made her and kept her ignorant of truth and reality.
Now I realize that you and your ilk would prefer to keep these folks ignorant so they'll keep voting for leftists. My sentiments on that? Eff you all. You helped to create this FUBAR situation America is now in. I hope you get what's coming to you. Sincerely.
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I think a lot will hinge on who gets the upper hand going toward 2024. If we see a Jeb, Kasich, type I am 90% sure MAGA will be organizing as a 3rd party in earnest.
I concur.
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I think a lot will hinge on who gets the upper hand going toward 2024. If we see a Jeb, Kasich, type I am 90% sure MAGA will be organizing as a 3rd party in earnest.
@catfish1957 :yowsa:
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Mitch is a pile (of excrement)
@catfish1957
Why would you defame excrement like that? It expels poisons from your body as well as waste food,and it even provides fertilizer. You can even tell the general health of your digestive system by looking at it.
On the other hand,we have Mitch,who is useful for nothing unless you are Chinese and have money to spend buying traitors.
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Corbe
That photo further up the thread, is that what is referred to as the hills out in west Texas? Someone told me the weather there is like San Diego, a constant comfortable environment. And he said it was one of the prettiest places in America to live.
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I took the time to go through this thread, and I will add my two cents.
First, I voted for Ross Perot twice. Why? Because like many of you, I knew 30 years ago that something had to change drastically, and I was young enough, and NAIVE ENOUGH, to believe a 3rd party could rise up. And what did we get? An eccentric billionaire who withdrew from his campaign because of how the media treated his daughter halfway through his first campaign if memory serves. Then he decided to plug back in and continue to run, but only after it was established that he was NOT dealing with a full deck. 19% of America voted for him because they felt the same way I did. Bush lost and Clinton won.
I voted 3rd party in a number of elections, but the movement, if you want to call it that, never grew. So, without question, because of the way our voting system is setup, it is virtually impossible for a 3rd party candidate to win, and if he did, he would deal with two hostile parties, much like Trump did over the past two years. Worse actually! And no one tell me the Republicans supported Trump. Had they done so, the 2020 election would have had a different outcome.
So, Trump is smart enough to know a 3rd party is a waste of time. Remember, he likes to win. Even if he runs and wins as a 3rd party candidate, he loses, for now both parties would want to impeach him first chance they got. He would have no support in Congress.
And whether Trump runs again remains to be seen. He will be four years older, and I believe once he is away from all the bullsh*t of Washington, UNWINDS, plays golf 3-5 times a week, he comes to realize his life is finite, and the bullsh*t associated with politics is just not worth it. I do not see him running again.
BUT, that does not mean he is not involved. I would love to see at a minimum his team taking on the battleground states, and working hard to get the legislatures to strengthen their laws regarding elections, and eliminate all the crap the Dems did to cheat and win in these states. This is more important than anything over the next couple years.
Second, he defined the issues in 2016, and he resonated. He failed to do that in 2020 in my humble opinion. Taking the same message and talking about the past is not a way to winning anything. He lost. He lost to a man that did not campaign, had no ideas except for the small left fruitloops, and he lost!
So, again, as the Xiden(like that name) Administration continues to execute its left agenda, unemploying millions of Americans, making it difficult to live for millions, forcing millions back on welfare, flooding America with millions of illegal invading aliens, higher taxes, corporations resuming their exodus from the USA, the stage will be set again for Trump to unfold a platform that once again engages the American people.
My suggestions to dealing with RINOs and worthless politicians that are self serving:
1 TERM LIMITS TERM LIMITS TERM LIMITS
2 END GOLDEN PARACHUTE FOR CONGRESS, NO PENSIONS, SERVE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, AND LEAVE UPON
COMPLETING TERM (Max 12 years) Let's be honest, no such thing as a statesman today. I do not know one!!!!
3 MANDATORY PHOTO ID NATIONALLY FOR ELECTIONS. ABSENTEE VOTERS REQUIRE MULTIPLE IDS, MORE THAN
IN PERSON TO CONTROL FRAUD
4 BUILD THE REPUBLICAN PARTY BACK TO A DESIRED ENTITY, AND NOT THE IMPOSSIBLE OF 3RD PARTY
5 RINO PREVENTION - HAVE ALL CANDIDATES COMPLETE A SURVEY TO DETERMINE IF THEY ARE CONSERVATIVE OR
RINOS. INDICATE WITH THE PRIMARY WHO IS A CERTIFIED CONSERVATIVE (similar to rating lawyers to be judges)
Supporting TERM LIMITS is MANDATORY for Conservative Rating
6 FINISH THE DAMN WALL
7 ESTABLISH IMMIGRATION RULES TO LIVE BY, EXCLUDING ANY ILLEGAL INVADING ALIENS END REFUGEE CRITERIA
AT THE BORDER. MUST HAPPEN IN APPLICANTS' HOME COUNTRY AT USA EMBASSY
Focus on these seven items, and the American people would turn out in overwhelming numbers. They will be ready once more after Xiden has done his very best to destroy America for globalism.
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Corbe
That photo further up the thread, is that what is referred to as the hills out in west Texas? Someone told me the weather there is like San Diego, a constant comfortable environment. And he said it was one of the prettiest places in America to live.
Though loosely defined by just about all Texans @jafo2010 This is generally considered The Texas Hill Country.
(http://www.campingroadtrip.com/Portals/0/Articles/Featured-Spotlight/Texas-Hill-Country/Map-of-Texas-Hill-Country-600x545.jpg)
The Guadalupe Mountains are further west, Big Bend area.
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For those of you kicking around in your head the concept of a 3rd party, and a chance for Trump to win as a 3rd party candidate, take a hard look at the numbers below. Yes, Lincoln won as the first Republican running, it could be considered a 3rd party run. BUT, huge but, the Dems split their ticket. You had two Dems running which split the ticket, and weakened their effort. DO NOT HOLD YOUR BREATH FOR THE DEMS TO DO THAT AGAIN.
Also interesting about the ways of the Electoral College. Notice the second vote getter only took one state in the Electoral College, despite the 3rd vote getter having 61.4% as many popular votes of Douglas, who took 11 states and 72 Electoral Votes. Even the 4th place popular vote getter had more Electoral College votes versus Douglas.
Compare this data to todays elections, and there is no way a 3rd party wins. NO WAY!!! Look at the total votes. A pittance compared to today. So, for all you thinking a 3rd party is a viable option because of anything that happened in the past, I say, know the past. It is not possible, and it certainly is not feasible. Having both parties with a grudge to destroy you for certain would end in folly. They would impeach Trump because of the color of his hair!
1860 Presidential Election
303 members of the Electoral College
152 electoral votes needed to win
Turnout 81.2%
Abraham Lincoln
Party Republican
Home state Illinois
Running mate Hannibal Hamlin
Electoral vote 180
States carried 18
Popular vote 1,865,908
Percentage 39.8%
Stephen A. Douglas
Party Democratic
Home state Illinois
Running mate Herschel V. Johnson
Electoral vote 12
States carried 1
Popular vote 1,380,202
Percentage 29.5%
John Breckenridge
Party Southern Democrat
Home state Kentucky
Running mate Joseph Lane
Electoral vote 72
States carried 11
Popular vote 848,019
Percentage 18.1%
John Bell
Party Constitutional Union
Home state Tennessee
Running mate Edward Everett
Electoral vote 39
States carried 3
Popular vote 590,901
Percentage 12.6%
Total Votes: 4,685,030
Note: Source of data, Wikipedia
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I think a lot will hinge on who gets the upper hand going toward 2024. If we see a Jeb, Kasich, type I am 90% sure MAGA will be organizing as a 3rd party in earnest.
The old establishment Pubs are deluding themselves if they think the party is going back to the "good old days".
The Tech oligarchs, large corps and Chamber of Commerce are all solidly behind the new fascist order and will support the Rats as long as they get their piece of the pie.
It 's the Trump Pub party that represents main street, working class people, middle class Americans and socially conservative traditional Americans. We don't have the bully pulpit of the media, or presidency, but you can bet in 2022 any Pub not standing with Trump will be marginalized, or voted out.
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Corbe, or anyone, why is the HILL COUNTRY of Texas not listed as one of the best places to retire in the USA? I have heard nothing but great things about the area.
Unlike San Diego, which is very costly for housing, and perhaps other things negative other than weather, I have heard nothing but great things about HILL COUNTRY, Texas.
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I think a lot will hinge on who gets the upper hand going toward 2024. If we see a Jeb, Kasich, type I am 90% sure MAGA will be organizing as a 3rd party in earnest.
Seriously? You think the postman's son has a shot of anything above Dogcatcher? Really? He might, huge might, get the nomination for Senator in Ohio, but I doubt he would win the primary. But he does have name recognition. Portman leaving opens the door for someone. But here is a fine example of implementing the policies to rebuild the Republican Party. No RINO would ever have the support of the party, and Kasich is an extreme RINO!!!
And Jeb Bush, he spent $100 million to get 1%. And you think a man that has disappeared for 4-8 years from the public eye will have a REAL shot of winning the primary for the Republicans? When pigs fly!!!
None of these light weight politicians stand a chance against Trump or others I believe who will run should Trump not. I see the governors of Florida and South Dakota seriously considering a run for POTUS. Then there is Ted Cruz who will definitely try again should Trump not run. I do not see 17 primary candidates with the election in 2024 assuming Trump does not run.
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Seriously? You think the postman's son has a shot of anything above Dogcatcher? Really? He might, huge might, get the nomination for Senator in Ohio, but I doubt he would win the primary. But he does have name recognition. Portman leaving opens the door for someone. But here is a fine example of implementing the policies to rebuild the Republican Party. No RINO would ever have the support of the party, and Kasich is an extreme RINO!!!
And Jeb Bush, he spent $100 million to get 1%. And you think a man that has disappeared for 4-8 years from the public eye will have a REAL shot of winning the primary for the Republicans? When pigs fly!!!
None of these light weight politicians stand a chance against Trump or others I believe who will run should Trump not. I see the governors of Florida and South Dakota seriously considering a run for POTUS. Then there is Ted Cruz who will definitely try again should Trump not run. I do not see 17 primary candidates with the election in 2024 assuming Trump does not run.
Geez, did you miss the term "TYPE"? Analogy be damned I guess
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Corbe, or anyone, why is the HILL COUNTRY of Texas not listed as one of the best places to retire in the USA? I have heard nothing but great things about the area.
Unlike San Diego, which is very costly for housing, and perhaps other things negative other than weather, I have heard nothing but great things about HILL COUNTRY, Texas.
Things change. Think of all the rabid lefties that have migrated from leftist states like California, New York, Washington, etc. Guess where a bunch of them ended up. Yeah, the rolling hills and geography is still there. But the neighbors are starting to suck. 888mouth
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Though loosely defined by just about all Texans @jafo2010 This is generally considered The Texas Hill Country.
(http://www.campingroadtrip.com/Portals/0/Articles/Featured-Spotlight/Texas-Hill-Country/Map-of-Texas-Hill-Country-600x545.jpg)
The Guadalupe Mountains are further west, Big Bend area.
Not to be confused with the Piney Hills of East Texas and Nacogdoches.
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Not to be confused with the Piney Hills of East Texas and Nacogdoches.
You mean heaven? :cool:
p.s. we call it piney woods.
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Down memory lane.... Way back when, the democrats and whigs were America's two parties. The whigs went whole awhoring like democrats and Republicans of today. Iowans took offense and started the Republican party. Can political whores be defeated, yes. Can they be defeated if the political whores run the government and change the Republic to a one party dictatorship? It would have been easier to win the last election, but deniers and wolfs in sheep's clothing were quite successful, and election fraud was quite successful. The deadbeats that stood aside and let it happen now want to regain some reputation. Demanding consequences for election fraud accountability, at the time, would have been much easier, than the path we are now on. Many still put their confidence in those that lead them to defeat. Dismal out look, i should think so.
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DC patriot, its OK to attack Trump and claim to be apolitical, but criticize one of the entrenched Trump hater gods, and the pack of wolves descend. You might wonder if you're at DU.
22222frying pan ****slapping
Why don't i just kill myself? My job is to give people a last warning before there is none left to give. Then the devil does his job of clean-up the messes, excuses no longer valid,or heard.
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DC patriot, its OK to attack Trump and claim to be apolitical, but criticize one of the entrenched Trump hater gods, and the pack of wolves descend. You might wonder if you're at DU.
22222frying pan ****slapping
Maybe a tad dramatic there? I can count the hard core NT"s here on one hand.
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Peoples perspectives are often tainted by feelings and perspectives of which side of the fence you are on. Yours is more distant than mine. We are living in the day of Washington DC drama enhanced be extreme politicalizations, by hostile foreign influences.
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You mean heaven? :cool:
p.s. we call it piney woods.
I liked it, but did not stay long.
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I liked it, but did not stay long.
You live in a beautiful area too. Was out there a few years ago for the birth of a grandchild. Awesome views though I kind of get a reversed claustraphobic feel when I am not in a canopy of tall pine trees.
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catfish1957 I did not see the word "TYPE", but matters not. That TYPE would never make it to Iowa. Most likely.
Last thing the Republicans need is a weak sister like Jeb or Kasich, the latter sounding more left than most Democommies.
We need to develop a process to certify if one is conservative, if you do not want more RINOs being elected, to any office.
I suspect some folks are Republican because Mom and Dad were, but in their heart, they are Dems.
In my case, I was born into a union household, staunch Dem parents. Had I registered as a Republican, I would have been disowned by my mother, for certain.
I ran for office, school board in PA, where one runs on both party tickets, and got elected on both. I was the 2nd vote getter on the Republican side, a Democrat, despite running against 13 Republicans. I got 87% of the general election voting, leading everyone. My first speech was to the community Republican Party Committee. Next day, I got a call from one of the committee members. She said, you are no Democrat. You are a conservative Republican, and you need to change your registration now, because I can see a great future for you in politics. I told her, I do that and my parents disown me, I will not do that. She and I became great friends. She died after knowing her for about six years, and I felt like I lost a best lifelong friend.
I will support Trump, or if he does not run, whoever wins the nomination. Top of my list is Ron DeSantis.
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catfish1957 I did not see the word "TYPE", but matters not. That TYPE would never make it to Iowa. Most likely.
Last thing the Republicans need is a weak sister like Jeb or Kasich, the latter sounding more left than most Democommies.
We need to develop a process to certify if one is conservative, if you do not want more RINOs being elected, to any office.
I suspect some folks are Republican because Mom and Dad were, but in their heart, they are Dems.
In my case, I was born into a union household, staunch Dem parents. Had I registered as a Republican, I would have been disowned by my mother, for certain.
I ran for office, school board in PA, where one runs on both party tickets, and got elected on both. I was the 2nd vote getter on the Republican side, a Democrat, despite running against 13 Republicans. I got 87% of the general election voting, leading everyone. My first speech was to the community Republican Party Committee. Next day, I got a call from one of the committee members. She said, you are no Democrat. You are a conservative Republican, and you need to change your registration now, because I can see a great future for you in politics. I told her, I do that and my parents disown me, I will not do that. She and I became great friends. She died after knowing her for about six years, and I felt like I lost a best lifelong friend.
I will support Trump, or if he does not run, whoever wins the nomination. Top of my list is Ron DeSantis.
Good story, and I enjoyed. But let me remind you we are not that far removed from the likes of where McCain and Romney were shoved down our throats. I still sadly believe there is enough of a Swamp element within the GOP to repeat those misdeeds Proof? The most powerful republican now wears a shell, and just capitulated to the dims on the Fillibuster issue. Think the likes of Cruz, Hawley, or Cotton could wrestle control from McConnell and change the direction of the party? Not a chance.
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You live in a beautiful area too. Was out there a few years ago for the birth of a grandchild. Awesome views though I kind of get a reversed claustraphobic feel when I am not in a canopy of tall pine trees.
I was in Cherokee County for a while....
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Corbe, or anyone, why is the HILL COUNTRY of Texas not listed as one of the best places to retire in the USA? I have heard nothing but great things about the area.
Unlike San Diego, which is very costly for housing, and perhaps other things negative other than weather, I have heard nothing but great things about HILL COUNTRY, Texas.
I grew up there, and would never choose to live there in retirement.
Why? Like the West Coast, it might be pleasant scenery and all that, but it has become one of the most expensive places in Texas to live, too crowded, and too many looney lefties(excluding the members of this forum, of course). Reminds me of the years I spent in California.
I chose East Texas to retire. Cheaper, more down to earth people. Those are tactical reasons.
Strategically, it is about water resources.
The Texas Hill Country is pretty arid, and has tremendous water usage with all those pretty golf courses to water and lakes to keep filled to play in. The region does not contain enough water supply over the long run and water will be a huge issue in years to come. East Texas is blessed with abundant lakes and more rainfall. Here life is good.
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I grew up there, and would never choose to live there in retirement.
Why? Like the West Coast, it might be pleasant scenery and all that, but it has become one of the most expensive places in Texas to live, too crowded, and too many looney lefties(excluding the members of this forum, of course). Reminds me of the years I spent in California.
I chose East Texas to retire. Cheaper, more down to earth people. Those are tactical reasons.
Strategically, it is about water resources.
The Texas Hill Country is pretty arid, and has tremendous water usage with all those pretty golf courses to water and lakes to keep filled to play in. The region does not contain enough water supply over the long run and water will be a huge issue in years to come. East Texas is blessed with abundant lakes and more rainfall. Here life is good.
And if East Texas ever runs out of water, all you'd have to do is cross into Louisiana. Every time I ever did it immediately started raining! lol
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And if East Texas ever runs out of water, all you'd have to do is cross into Louisiana. Every time I ever did it immediately started raining! lol
Yep, it rains there a lot.
When I moved to New Orleans, it rained every day from January to May and we had over 100 inches of rain that year.
Our water bill was nil as the water was so abundant.
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McConnell has pulled a few Trump's of late, shooting his mouth off, but in the end, doing what needed to be done. He will not end up agreeing to end the filibuster. It could well end the Republican Party, and I do NOT think he is the rat b*st*rd McCain was in kicking his own party in the jewels.
Also, I suspect this is McConnell's last term in the senate. I believe I heard that said a month or two ago.
If Trump used TERM LIMITS as part of his plank should he run again, a true draining of the swamp, and eliminating retirement for Congress members, it would be a HUGE plank!!!
:yowsa:
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If Trump used TERM LIMITS as part of his plank should he run again, a true draining of the swamp, and eliminating retirement for Congress members, it would be a HUGE plank!!!
:yowsa:
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If Trump used TERM LIMITS as part of his plank should he run again, a true draining of the swamp, and eliminating retirement for Congress members, it would be a HUGE plank!!!
Term Limits also forces the politico to condense his/her corruption in a shorter time period...making it easier to identify/prosecute.
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Term Limits also forces the politico to condense his/her corruption in a shorter time period...making it easier to identify/prosecute.
Good point. But I guess it will take a constitutional convention to get term limits. That might be opening a big can of worms.
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Good point. But I guess it will take a constitutional convention to get term limits. That might be opening a big can of worms.
I agree @BassWrangler IF 'they' can swing a National Election just think what they could do with 37 state elections, right now.
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I agree @BassWrangler IF 'they' can swing a National Election just think what they could do with 37 state elections, right now.
The ConCon is the most dangerous idea floated in the 21st Century.
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The ConCon is the most dangerous idea floated in the 21st Century.
I agree @BassWrangler IF 'they' can swing a National Election just think what they could do with 37 state elections, right now.
Yeah, I'm not drinking from that punch bowl unless we've jettisoned the blue state turds.
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Yeah, I'm not drinking from that punch bowl unless we've jettisoned the blue state turds.
If there were to be an Article V Convention, it would not be George Washington, Ben Franklin or James Madison writing it. It would be Pelosi, Schumer and Turtle, and all amendments would be ratified by the States en masse. The entire Bill of Rights would be thrown out for good, and the rest of the Constitution would be in the worst legalize ever seen by modern man.
And that's not even addressing the obvious problem: If the Government ignores the current Constitution, then why would anybody expect them to observe a new one where they've pre-written all the loopholes?
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If there were to be an Article V Convention, it would not be George Washington, Ben Franklin or James Madison writing it. It would be Pelosi, Schumer and Turtle, and all amendments would be ratified by the States en masse. The entire Bill of Rights would be thrown out for good, and the rest of the Constitution would be in the worst legalize ever seen by modern man.
And that's not even addressing the obvious problem: If the Government ignores the current Constitution, then why would anybody expect them to observe a new one where they've pre-written all the loopholes?
All good points. I don't think there is any document one could write that would prevent morally corrupt people from re-interpreting it to mean whatever they want, or just ignoring it altogether.
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All good points. I don't think there is any document one could write that would prevent morally corrupt people from re-interpreting it to mean whatever they want, or just ignoring it altogether.
And....not even the founders, who were all moral, Christian men, could have envisioned the evil permeating the leftist Democrat Party. They didn't have to deal with 'that' reality back then.
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The ConCon is the most dangerous idea floated in the 21st Century.
:yowsa: :amen:
And I have yet to find anyone who can explain to me what would make these people observe the constraints of a newly amended constitution any more than the observe those imposed by the one we already have.
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A journey of 1,000 miles begins with one step. I've taken a step or two, and I encourage all to follow. Start by getting appointed to Precinct Committeeman in the communities in which we live. Then start seizing leadership roles in the County Parties.
Let the fertile seeds take root....
Sadly, the weeds have taken over, and they are incredibly fertile.
And the Media see that they have ample manure to grow in.
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:yowsa: :amen:
And I have yet to find anyone who can explain to me what would make these people observe the constraints of a newly amended constitution any more than the observe those imposed by the one we already have.
On that I agree completely. Why risk a good Constitution when those in power at the moment ignore this one, and would only ignore anything new, unless it was a huge step down from the rules we have (whether those rules are followed or not).
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Sadly, the weeds have taken over, and they are incredibly fertile.
And the Media see that they have ample manure to grow in.
Which is why the RL is so paranoid about what we might do (ie 7000+ NG at the capitol). They know damned well if the roles and positions were reversed, they'd be storming the bastille with heavily armed rebels. And they know deep down that that is probably what "should" happen now.... with their heavy-handed persecution and ignoring Constitutional rights of non-leftists (or anyone that supports Trump openly).
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catfish1957 I did not see the word "TYPE", but matters not. That TYPE would never make it to Iowa. Most likely.
Last thing the Republicans need is a weak sister like Jeb or Kasich, the latter sounding more left than most Democommies.
We need to develop a process to certify if one is conservative, if you do not want more RINOs being elected, to any office.
I suspect some folks are Republican because Mom and Dad were, but in their heart, they are Dems.
In my case, I was born into a union household, staunch Dem parents. Had I registered as a Republican, I would have been disowned by my mother, for certain.
I ran for office, school board in PA, where one runs on both party tickets, and got elected on both. I was the 2nd vote getter on the Republican side, a Democrat, despite running against 13 Republicans. I got 87% of the general election voting, leading everyone. My first speech was to the community Republican Party Committee. Next day, I got a call from one of the committee members. She said, you are no Democrat. You are a conservative Republican, and you need to change your registration now, because I can see a great future for you in politics. I told her, I do that and my parents disown me, I will not do that. She and I became great friends. She died after knowing her for about six years, and I felt like I lost a best lifelong friend.
I will support Trump, or if he does not run, whoever wins the nomination. Top of my list is Ron DeSantis.
Ok, I'll play along and assume that we'll see a fair election in 2024. I live in FL and the jury is still out on him for me. He totally botched the stimulus rollout and extended benefits and there are people who still haven't see any $ or are still owed $. That's going to take it's toll on his vote count. He just recently rolled out a $96B budget, with only a drop in the bucket allocated for job creation and it contains a lot of fluff such as Everglades restoration. They've been arguing about and budgeting Everglades restoration for at least the past 30 years with no progress. The Sugar Cane companies are in control of that and will always do what they want. He sings a conservative tune off and on and I am still watching him. He comes across at times unsure of himself and does not articulate nor connect very well with people. Now that he's under a Biden administration, I'm carefully watching what he does.
I prefer Noem. Solid conservative. She is very articulate and connects well with her audience. She's a natural leader, stands her ground and so far I haven't found anything really negative about her.
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On that I agree completely. Why risk a good Constitution when those in power at the moment ignore this one, and would only ignore anything new, unless it was a huge step down from the rules we have (whether those rules are followed or not).
Absolutely agree at this point in time would be the worst time to declare an Article V Convention of States or a Constitutional Convention.
You are correct the left are ignoring the Constitution and the SCOTUS has thrown it out the window.
So, what is needed is a new party/gov't inserted and completely eradicating the existing gov't. The Constitution would still remain the Supreme Law of the land.
I don't know how to make the happen or if it's even possible.
It is my opinion of two things on this issue; one, you cannot build a new party out of the GOP. That foundation is disintegrating and you can't build on a poor foundation. The GOP is too joined at the hip with the leftist/globalist/marxists and it would take many election cycles to make a difference. We don't have that kind of time. Secondly very constitutional conservative leadership is needed and it's going to take a team of leaders, not just one person.