Actually, not according to Ted Cruz, but according to his constituents back in Oklahoma where he is very unpopular of late and it the main reason he is not running for re-election, Oklahoman's love Inhoff... the doctor -- not so much these days.He's not running because he said he wouldn't.
He's not running because he said he wouldn't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Coburn
Does this read like somebody that is not conservative?
Conservatism loses credibility with outlandish claims. The subsequent spin makes it even worse.
Actually, not according to Ted Cruz, but according to his constituents back in Oklahoma where he is very unpopular of late and it the main reason he is not running for re-election, Oklahoman's love Inhoff... the doctor -- not so much these days.
I'd like to see a link to some evidence of that. Coburn has said he would term limit himself, again, and he is doing what he said he would do.
Actually he did run again past the date he stated he was going to retire (aka his election six years ago) and nope, according to friends (and some of my relatives) in OK he is not all that popular back home these days.
You know damned well there was a lot of grumbling about him running six years ago because he said he was going to retire and then decided to run for yet another term. Do your own research or have your secretary do it for you, I am not your personal secretary.
Oh, well, if your friends and relatives say he's not popular, I guess that settles it.Oh, well, if you tell us a particular politician that you don't like is not popular in Texas, I guess that settles it, too.
Conservatism loses credibility with outlandish claims. The subsequent spin makes it even worse.
Oh, well, if you tell us a particular politician that you don't like is not popular in Texas, I guess that settles it, too.
I understand that what Cruz is doing is political, and I'm fine with it. What I find beyond the pale is how now a solid conservative like Tom Coburn is being blasted by people based on Cruz's political stunt.
Conservatives continue to eat their own, and they never learn.
LMAO....well Tom I suspect Cruz is right since you had to go on MSNBC to proclaim this!
You're either with us or against us. There is no room in the Tea Party for disagreement. None whatsoever.
All I do know is that he has the highest conservative rating in the entire Congress...
According to whom? The only survey provided is the one I cited above and it does not show him the highest. In fact, the highest in the Senate at 100% is none other than Jeff Flake out of AZ, and the House shows at least a dozen members at 100%.
So how about you document this statement: All I do know is that he [Coburn] has the highest conservative rating in the entire Congress....
I'll wait.
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Just as an aside, last night I attended a meeting of my local Tea Party and, after we agreed what to burn down next, I was given a copy of the 07/22/13 edition of the John Birch Society publication, The New American. In it, the Society provides a Congressional scorecard "based on the U.S. Constitution". With them Coburn has a rating of 90% as does Cruz 90%. McCain gets a resounding 56%. My own 2 senators, God love 'em, are Murray 13% and Cantwell 10% (which means they both accidentally got something right at least once).
If anyone would like to know how their own senators or representative rates, merely ask and I will post it.
I understand that what Cruz is doing is political, and I'm fine with it. What I find beyond the pale is how now a solid conservative like Tom Coburn is being blasted by people based on Cruz's political stunt.
Conservatives continue to eat their own, and they never learn.
What I find beyond the pale is how now a solid conservative like Tom Coburn is being blasted by people based on Cruz's political stunt. Conservatives continue to eat their own, and they never learn.
Oh, well, if your friends and relatives say he's not popular, I guess that settles it.
And you can thank Tom Coburn for inviting this discussion, by willing appearing on MSNBC (of all places) to whine and bitch about his fellow Republican, or--- "eating his own," if you will.
Something "a solid conservative" wouldn't be caught dead doing, by the way.
And you can thank Tom Coburn for inviting this discussion, by willing appearing on MSNBC (of all places) to whine and bitch about his fellow Republican, or--- "eating his own," if you will.
Something "a solid conservative" wouldn't be caught dead doing, by the way.
Another thing is Cruz is saying if we have to have this then all of congress and their staffs should be on it, too.. yet Coburn was one of the people leading the charge to make certain Obama put through something to dismiss congress and staff from Obamacare.
and....... not only that he went on CBS and praised Nancy Pelosi....... today he trashes Ted Cruz on MSNBC and in 2010 he went on CBS to praise Nancy Pelosi and trash Fox News... and we are supposed to be mad at Cruz?
Tom Coburn Knocks Fox News, Says Nancy Pelosi is a “Nice Person”
CBS News ^ | 4/6/2010 | Brian Montopoli
Posted on Tuesday, April 06, 2010 10:58:34 AM by OldGuard1
Sen. Tom Coburn, a staunch conservative from Oklahoma, is doing what seems almost unthinkable in this polarized political climate: Defending his Democratic colleagues from critics at Fox News.
At a town hall meeting, Coburn suggested that a woman who said “they can put us in prison” for not obtaining health insurance under the health care reform bill is misinformed.
“The intention is not to put anybody in jail,” he said. “That makes for good TV news on Fox but that isn’t the intention.”
He also defended House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, the architect of the House version of the health care legislation that he fiercely opposed.
“I’m 180 degrees in opposition to the speaker — she’s a nice lady,” he said. The crowd could be heard responding unfavorably to his characterization.
“Come on now, she is a nice — how many of you all have met her?” continued Coburn. “She’s a nice person. She’s a nice person.”
(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com …
It could be that Coburn believes Cruz is damaging conservatism with his self-serving tactics. I watch Morning Joe more and more these days (though I rarely agree with any of it) because that morning show actually deals with serious subjects.
Listen to this and then tell me he isn't right as rain!
https://soundcloud.com/senator-ted-cruz/sen-ted-cruz-on-the-mark-levin
There is an old saying: Lead, follow, or get out of the way.
Someone finally stepped forward to lead and the rats are all scared as all get out and attacking... only the rats are supposed to be on our side.
That's what Rush keeps saying...the rats and the status quo Repubs are scared to death..their phones are ringing off the hooks on Cap Hill
John Podhoretz posted his anti Cruz column on his FB page today, and promptly got ripped 9 ways from Sunday for it--by his FB friends. I have never seen anything like it.
Joe Scarborough too--his whole audience (well, except sinky) have so little respect for him anymore--its really shocking to behold--and entertaining. :beer:
LOL! Are you kidding? And you call US certifiable? Scarborough never shuts his yap long enough to allow another viewpoint, just like BOR, but he lacks BOR's intellect. Is that the kind of "journalism" you respect? Did you get off watching Scarborough smash-mouth that uppity Republican-Michael Steele this morning? Maybe it's Mica's vapidness-we already know you love stupid women who know their place.
Oh yeah, that's some high quality MSNBC journalism there. Thanks for sharing that. :laugh:
John Podhoretz posted his anti Cruz column on his FB page today, and promptly got ripped 9 ways from Sunday for it--by his FB friends. I have never seen anything like it.
Joe Scarborough too--his whole audience (well, except sinky) have so little respect for him anymore--its really shocking to behold--and entertaining. :beer:
The weak jelly knee'd blowhards need to be put out to pasture. Bring on the YOUNG LIONS of true conservatism. SICK of them caving to the left only to stay in power. Bless you Ted Cruz.
anecdotes like Durbin's ' friend Judy? I'm convinced she's just an anecdote. Or maybe 'composite' imaginary anecdotes like Cory Booker's friends T-Bone or Waznamacallit, or Obama's girlfriends?
Respectfully disagree, if GOP rolls over and funds Obama Care to avoid shutdown, it doesn't really increase the odds in 2014 and 2016, and even if the GOP owns everything in 2017, enough people will be on ObamaCare exchanges it will be impossible to roll back. Then the GOP becomes the UK Tories, their argument is they can more efficiently manage the welfare state driving the US bankrupt.
Ed is right, it's funny watching all these allegedly intelligent pundits get on the wrong side of history and the folks. Once an entitlement starts it is forever and we are already broke. This will doom America and the Republican establishment is going to help make it happen.
The flaw in your piece, sir, is that it ignores the "the fierce urgency of now" (to steal some social justice thunder). Tea Party politicians were elected to get things done now, not to adjust to electoral timetables.
A simple question, John Podhoretz: Just what, exactly, have the tactics of the non-Cruzites (for want of a better term) accomplished, in terms of turning back this horrible law?
Cruz is branding himself, so when these folks squeal because of health care mandate penalties, they'll remember the name of one person who unambiguously opposed it.
Obamacare will add (at least) hundreds of billions to future deficits and the national debt, while at the same time increasing the cost of medical care and decreasing the quality of care. The USSR's Politburo could not do a better job than the Obamacrats of destroying American medicine and undermining the economy.
Cruz is extremely intelligent and has shown great political courage. His marathon speech has heightened public awareness of the issues, no doubt reinforcing the public majority opinion that Obamacare is a huge mistake. This ultimately helps not only him but all conservatives in their efforts to stop the train. Cruz may be the leading contender in 2016, and would certainly be a stronger candidate than the GOP establishment types currently on the radar screen.
Obama is out there defending his healthcare plan, again. Why is that? Look at everything that is coming out now. Exchanges will have higher out of pocket expenses than claimed, the cap on out of pocket expenses has been delayed a year, the exchanges are not ready to go, and on and on. All of this was highlighted by Ted Cruz. What is the more admirable position for folks on the right to take? Do nothing? Wait for the program to be implemented and hope it collapses of its own weight? In light of everything we are finding out about Obamacare at the 11th hour, how can it be anything but good for Cruz to use his platform in the Senate to highlight these realities? Since when has one man standing up for what is right been a bad thing, or a futile thing?
bamacrats and other airheads have learned absolutely nothing from the collapse of the USSR and the failure of socialism everywhere it has been tried. They even want to resurrect the USSR right here in the USA with centralized planning, oppressive state controls, and waging war on individual rights. "Let's see, during the next 5 years we'll budget 500,000 appendectomies, 10 million echocardiograms, and 4 million knee transplants ........" Their arrogance and stupidity is stunning.
Here's my question for McConnell and Cornyn (and Rove)--so what's your solution, win the WH/Senate in 2016? Yeah? "Negotiate" a one year postponement of Obamacare linked to spending hikes? Obama would LOVE that....ease the pain of his train wreck another year. These guys are wimps. WIMPS.
And all of their "moderate" strategizing has failed. Again and again they think the way to win is to split the difference and move toward the middle and again and again they lose. But they don't learn! You have to stand for something. Everyone respects that. The Soviets said that it was when Reagan fired the air traffic controllers that they sat up and took notice. The man meant what he said.
LOL!! Fox and Friends is in serious trouble now that they hired that airhead Elizabeth Hasselbeck. The ONLY reason to watch that morning show any longer is Brian Kilmeade, who could be the funniest man on television.
Anybody who can slap down Michael Steele is good people. He's the emptiest suit to ever occupy a position of significance in the Republican Party.
The GOP controlled all 3 branches for 6 years during the Bush Administration. The same guys were there (Bohener, McConnell, Cantor, Cornyn and Coburn, Corker, etc.
Tell us here:
1) What socialist and/or wasteful programs did they get rid of?
2) How much did they reduce the national debt and the deficit?
And keep in mind it was Boehner and Lindsay Graham who were behind running New Gingrich out of congress - back when we were actually getting control over our budget mess.
Obama is out there defending his healthcare plan, again. Why is that?
There is an old saying: Lead, follow, or get out of the way.
Someone finally stepped forward to lead and the rats are all scared as all get out and attacking... only the rats are supposed to be on our side.
Yes, that Newt - the man who led to us balancing the budge, that Newt Gingrich
This from the poster lecturing the rest of us about dissing our own. :thud:
Your Fox and Friends' ratings strawman is awfully empty-suitish, don'tcha think? You can do better than that.
Yes, that Newt - the man who led to us balancing the budge, that Newt Gingrich
I don't care about the percentage assigned to Coburn to rate his Conservative pedigree.
He's a disgrace. He chose his own personal welfare over the welfare of his constituency. PERIOD!
He's a complete failure as an effective leader and/or spokeman of an opposition party.
As Cruz said the other day...if you attended one of the many lunches and meetings of the Republican Party, you come away needing therapy.
They have no plan....no strategy except to wait until they're fortunate to win the majority so THEY can sign the checks.
As another poster suggested.....get rid of ALL these pantywaists and find somebody who has a set.
LOL!! Fox and Friends is in serious trouble now that they hired that airhead Elizabeth Hasselbeck. The ONLY reason to watch that morning show any longer is Brian Kilmeade, who could be the funniest man on television.
She's new. Everybody likes eye candy.
I prefer Gretchen Carlson.
She's new. Everybody likes eye candy.
I prefer Gretchen Carlson.
Figures, she is a liberal.
Fact remains you said the ratings were tanking because of Hasselbeck and in fact they are up 20%.
“I’m getting all sorts of e-mails from people that supported me, because they have been misled about what’s possible.” Coburn said. “Do people not think if I could change ObamaCare, I’d do it in a minute? It’s a disappointment that we have put a short term goal with lousy tactics ahead of being honest with the American people.”
Or goes on the wrong cable network.
Have we become so jaded that a Republican who breaks bread with a Democrat is now the equivalent of the Taliban?
Isn't this really the crux of the problem in DC. Just accepting the way things are because they are that way. The liberals don't do this. They fight for their values and positions even if it seems impossible. Our side just lets them do it and accepts it being 'the way things are'. This is why Cruz is such a threat to them. He isn't accepting things being given. He is attacking the problem and calling out those who don't .
Maybe if more people like Coburn join Cruz instead of fighting him, more things would be possible.
Ya think???
Isn't this really the crux of the problem in DC. Just accepting the way things are because they are that way. The liberals don't do this. They fight for their values and positions even if it seems impossible. Our side just lets them do it and accepts it being 'the way things are'. This is why Cruz is such a threat to them. He isn't accepting things being given. He is attacking the problem and calling out those who don't .
Maybe if more people like Coburn join Cruz instead of fighting him, more things would be possible.
Have we become so jaded that a Republican who breaks bread with a Democrat is now the equivalent of the Taliban?
I can't believe this place. Now, Tom Coburn is persona non grata, all because of the antics of Ted Cruz, who's been in the Senate all of 15 minutes.
Tsk. Such hyperbole. Since you're demanding links, maybe you could find a statement on here remotely saying such a thing?
If you're too busy, maybe your Mini Me--truth_seeker--can handle that grunt work for you.
It never enters your mind that maybe, just maybe, Cruz is tilting at windmills and may be doing great harm to the overall cause of conservatism.
This is about tactics, not principle.
Has it ever occurred to you that he's not tilting at windmills but supplying the LEADERSHIP most of us have been begging for for many years now!
I will never understand your dislike of a politician who is actually doing what he promised to do while campaigning for the job. It totally befuddles me unless, of course, you work for David Dewhurst!
There you go really. That is it. It is all about the game, not the principle. Playing and using the same tactics over and over and over, expecting different results.
Our tactics haven't been working for decades. The last time we had winning tactics where we made a major advancement was 95-96 when we forced Clinton into the balanced budget though...shock.... a government shutdown.
Since then we changed and have been playing the compromise tactic over and over, expecting different results.
When we (and I mean we in the citizens position too) stand on principle and don't compromise on key issues, we win. When we don't, we cede ground. A good example, which is one of those few shining moments in the past couple of decades was the defeat of the McCain/Kennedy Amnesty bill.
McCain and the RINOs were playing the game, saying Amnesty was a given. We stood on principle and made our voice heard and the bill was killed. We were fighting both sides on this and the people won.
Then we lost our voice for a while.
The thing about Cruz's battle is it isn't about Cruz really, it is about the people standing up with him. He isn't tilting at windmills, he is sounding a horn and the people are rising up. Don't believe me, check out the thousands upon thousands of comments on various Senator's facebook pages. My Senator, Cornyn, received several thousand in a few minutes this afternoon when I was watching him comment about the issue. I haven't seen this much action in a long, long time- by the people.
Maybe he is. But he's going to lose. And he KNOWS he's going to lose; he said as much last week.
So why is he doing this? Pissing off most of the House and half of his fellow Senators?
Next time he asks for help from one of those Senators whom he called the equivalent of a Nazi enabler, he'll be lucky if he's not wiping spit off his face.
Maybe he is. But he's going to lose. And he KNOWS he's going to lose; he said as much last week.
So why is he doing this? Pissing off most of the House and half of his fellow Senators?
Next time he asks for help from one of those Senators whom he called the equivalent of a Nazi enabler, he'll be lucky if he's not wiping spit off his face.
Senator Coburn, you made a very sad comment earlier today. You said: "“I’m getting all sorts of e-mails from people that supported me, because they have been misled about what’s possible.” ...“Do people not think if I could change ObamaCare, I’d do it in a minute? It’s a disappointment that we have put a short term goal with lousy tactics ahead of being honest with the American people.” Senator, I remember many like you back in 95 when I was just a volunteer intern in college and you all came in off the 94 election with fire in your belly to make a change. You didn't worry about what you were told was possible, you stood on principle. You took the gamble and forced President Clinton's hand to get a balanced budget. You shut down the government (and the earth did not end... shock). What did that result in? You did what was impossible, 'tactics be dammed' and you won. We see that in Senator Cruz right now, and in case you missed it, the people are screaming behind him. We are no longer the silent majority. The question is, where is the Tom Coburn from 1995 who didn't accept what he was told was possible and stood on principle. We ask you to vote NO on cloture and stand with Cruz. We are the ones who have to bear the brunt of the outcome, not you, and this is the risk we are willing to take.
Cruz is aiming for something much bigger than next week. There are a LOT of folks rising up in support of him, and that bugs the hell out of you and those old fossilized cadavers you love so much. You wouldn't be running all over this forum playing smash mouth, otherwise.
Maybe he is. But he's going to lose. And he KNOWS he's going to lose; he said as much last week.
So why is he doing this? Pissing off most of the House and half of his fellow Senators?
Next time he asks for help from one of those Senators whom he called the equivalent of a Nazi enabler, he'll be lucky if he's not wiping spit off his face.
Following my previous comment, my email I just shot to Senator Coburn.
There you go really. That is it. It is all about the game, not the principle. Playing and using the same tactics over and over and over, expecting different results.
Our tactics haven't been working for decades. The last time we had winning tactics where we made a major advancement was 95-96 when we forced Clinton into the balanced budget though...shock.... a government shutdown.
Since then we changed and have been playing the compromise tactic over and over, expecting different results.
When we (and I mean we in the citizens position too) stand on principle and don't compromise on key issues, we win. When we don't, we cede ground. A good example, which is one of those few shining moments in the past couple of decades was the defeat of the McCain/Kennedy Amnesty bill.
McCain and the RINOs were playing the game, saying Amnesty was a given. We stood on principle and made our voice heard and the bill was killed. We were fighting both sides on this and the people won.
Then we lost our voice for a while.
The thing about Cruz's battle is it isn't about Cruz really, it is about the people standing up with him. He isn't tilting at windmills, he is sounding a horn and the people are rising up. Don't believe me, check out the thousands upon thousands of comments on various Senator's facebook pages. My Senator, Cornyn, received several thousand in a few minutes this afternoon when I was watching him comment about the issue. I haven't seen this much action in a long, long time- by the people.
Maybe he is. But he's going to lose. And he KNOWS he's going to lose; he said as much last week.
So why is he doing this? Pissing off most of the House and half of his fellow Senators?
Next time he asks for help from one of those Senators whom he called the equivalent of a Nazi enabler, he'll be lucky if he's not wiping spit off his face.
I remember when Coburn (and the class of 94) were new in 95 and were 'pissing off most of the house and senate'. The old Bob Doyles & Trent Lotts said the same thing Coburn and others are saying now.
Or goes on the wrong cable network.
You seem to forget one very salient fact! The sleeping giant is now awake and will not allow that to happen!
And when are you going to stop LYING about what Cruz said???
Cruz is actually doing what he ran on and was elected to do...try and stop Obamacare....he is not letting his constituents down imho...in fact I wish he was my Senator...
What sleeping giant? The 22% who support the Tea Party?
Cruz is aiming for something much bigger than next week. There are a LOT of folks rising up in support of him, and that bugs the hell out of you and those old fossilized cadavers you love so much. You wouldn't be running all over this forum playing smash mouth, otherwise.
What sleeping giant? The 22% who support the Tea Party?
Cruz is actually doing what he ran on and was elected to do...try and stop Obamacare....he is not letting his constituents down imho...in fact I wish he was my Senator...
What sleeping giant? The 22% who support the Tea Party?
He's my Senator, and I think he's a fool.
I don't like to lose, and we were always going to lose a confrontation over Obamacare and a Continuing Resolution. Cruz is wasting his time and the time of legislators who want to move on to the debt ceiling fight, where the GOP's chances are much better.
He's my Senator, and I think he's a fool.
I don't like to lose, and we were always going to lose a confrontation over Obamacare and a Continuing Resolution. Cruz is wasting his time and the time of legislators who want to move on to the debt ceiling fight, where the GOP's chances are much better.
A LOT more than 22% of the people in this country support Tea Party principles, and you know it.
All those phone lines burning up today? Do you really believe that represented a measly 22% of the country's viewpoint?
Just like we lost the fight over Hillarycare and the Balanced Budget back in 95 by playing the DC game and compromising.
Oh wait, we won because we did the exact opposite. We won because we stood on principle and fought like hell and did the impossible.
Just like we lost the fight over Hillarycare and the Balanced Budget back in 95 by playing the DC game and compromising.
Oh wait, we won because we did the exact opposite. We won because we stood on principle and fought like hell and did the impossible.
You never supported him in the first place, you supported Dewhurst.
There was no budget deadline involved in 1994. But, when there was a budget deadline involved, in 1995, and the government was shutdown, the GOP was blamed and folded in a week.
Actually Clinton was blamed - until Newt opened his mouth and inserted his foot and Clinton walked into the gaping hole....... but in FACT the senate won TWO seats for the GOP in the next election and we did not lose the house - and as I tell you and you continue to ignore (preferring your own history is my guess) Dole did not lose because of the shutdown unless you count in he made an ass of himself like Corker, Coburn etc., and totally pissed off the voters. Dole was his own boring worst enemy in that election.
There was no budget deadline involved in 1994. But, when there was a budget deadline involved, in 1995, and the government was shutdown, the GOP was blamed and folded in a week.
That's right. I voted for him last November, though, and will always vote for him.
I didn't always agree with Kay Bailey Hutchison, either, but I always voted for her.
I don't like to lose, and we were always going to lose a confrontation over Obamacare and a Continuing Resolution. Cruz is wasting his time and the time of legislators who want to move on to the debt ceiling fight, where the GOP's chances are much better.
You are not a visionary at all, are you?
You are a very task-oriented compartmentalized thinker: one issue at a time, one short term deadline at a time. Obamacare. Wash. Debt ceiling. Rinse. Food stamp budget. Repeat. Nothing wrong with that, because this country certainly requires those folks to deal with that, but Cruz is a different animal aiming for longer-term, bigger picture goals than you can even begin to wrap your mind around. Its like we're speaking a different language.
Actually Clinton was blamed - until Newt opened his mouth and inserted his foot and Clinton walked into the gaping hole....... but in FACT the senate won TWO seats for the GOP in the next election and we did not lose the house - and as I tell you and you continue to ignore (preferring your own history is my guess) Dole did not lose because of the shutdown unless you count in he made an ass of himself like Corker, Coburn etc., and totally pissed off the voters. Dole was his own boring worst enemy in that election.
I think you have correctly identified the problem my dear! BRAVO!
You are once again revealing the problem. Doing what is right is more important than worrying who gets the blame or the credit. If, for example, we were able to shift public support strongly against abortion and could have it end forever, but Obama gets credit, I wouldn't care who gets the credit or blame.
Or as Reagan liked to quote: "There is no limit to the amount of good you can do if you don't care who gets the credit"
You are not a visionary at all, are you?
You are a very task-oriented compartmentalized thinker: one issue at a time, one short term deadline at a time. Obamacare. Wash. Debt ceiling. Rinse. Food stamp budget. Repeat. Nothing wrong with that, because this country certainly requires those folks to deal with that, but Cruz is a different animal aiming for longer-term, bigger picture goals than you can even begin to wrap your mind around. Its like we're speaking a different language.
You know what this is starting to remind me of? The scene in Idiocracy when no one could figure why the plants wouldn't grow when they kept pouring "Brawndo" (it has electrolytes) on the crops. They were told it should help them grow, everyone knew it should grow, they have always poured Brawndo on the plants and they never grew but they were supposed to.
When Not Sure suggested using water, they tried to execute him.
(http://www.brawndo.com/images/Brawndo_Social_Head.gif)
With Cruz, it's all or nothing. Like Obama, he's finding out that all-or-nothing doesn't work in Washington or in life.
The GOP was blamed for the shutdown in 1995, Rap. There was never any blame given to Clinton.
I thought you were a Newt fan. Newt bitching about his seat on Air Force One didn't help matters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_government_shutdown_of_1995_and_1996
snip....
Clinton's approval rating fell significantly during the shutdown. According to media commentators, this indicated that the general public blamed the President for the government shutdown.[8] However, once it had ended his approval ratings rose to their highest since his election.
During the crisis, Gingrich made a complaint at a press breakfast that, during a flight to and from Yitzhak Rabin's funeral in Israel, Clinton had not taken the opportunity to talk about the budget and Gingrich had been directed to leave the plane via the rear door. The perception arose that the Republican stance on the budget was partly due to this "snub" by Clinton,[9] and media coverage reflected this perception, including an editorial cartoon which depicted Gingrich as an infant throwing a temper tantrum.[10] Opposing politicians used this opportunity to attack Gingrich's motives for the budget standoff.[11][12] Later, the polls suggested that the event damaged Gingrich politically[13] and he referred to his comments as the "single most avoidable mistake" as Speaker.[14]
Unclutter thy brain of process wonkage. Behold the bigger picture.
Ah, yes. The "big picture" man, the visionary who sees the things we ordinary schlubs can't see, the seer who is always two steps ahead of other mere mortals, the dreamer who persuades by equating his opposition to Nazi enablers.
This is the same bullshit Democrats spouted about Obama. Only Obama could see the "bigger picture."
Don't be disappointed when you figure out that Cruz is doing all this to pad his resume for 2016.
the dreamer who persuades by equating his opposition to Nazi enablers.
I guess that answers my question! You are NOT going to stop lying about what Cruz said!
You just love twisting things to fit your own paradigm rather than to reflect the truth... some very intelligent people here have explained to you this is not what he said, yet you insist of spewing this nonetheless.
Here's what Cruz said:
"If you go to the 1940s, Nazi Germany... look, we saw in Britain, Neville Chamberlain, who told the British people, ‘Accept the Nazis. Yes, they’ll dominate the continent of Europe but that’s not our problem. Let’s appease them. Why? Because it can’t be done. We can’t possibly stand against them.’”
Now, who did Cruz equate to Neville Chamberlain? Here's a hint: Republican Senators who disagree with him.
Ted Cruz apparently believes that opposing his tactics on defunding Obamacare is the equivalent of appeasing the Nazis.
I know what he said and am able to read and interpret the English language quite well! That does not say what you continue to say it says as you have been told many times before so I'm just going to put it like this "if the shoe fits wear it"!
Bigun, I love ya, but Cruz has never denied that his words were directed at his fellow GOP Senators.
Most of our senators ARE like Chamberlain.. they are sitting back and going along to get along rather than stick their necks out and actually fight for something... Chamberlain was an enabler, McCain, Graham, Cornyn, Corker, Coburn, etc., are all enablers.
I'm going to have to agree with you on that one. And another thing, why can't we throw that out there? We have been the recipient of those comparisons for a long time. Let's call it like we see it.
He is AC's AB's, Bigun's and many other of our member's senators, too... and my sister, step sisters, step mother, Aunts, Uncles, and more.... Cornyn has been part of the problem for a very long time. Remember he (along with McCain) pushed Crist to run for the senate in Florida and were thoroughly pissed when Rubio decided to challenge their guy (Crist - who is now a Democrat)... sadly this isn't a one-of case while he ran the RNSC.
Cornyn is part of what problem?
I'm in a parallel universe here.
Nobody knew who Marco Rubio was. Crist lost, then the RNSC supported Rubio. And now Rubio has gone off the reservation with his amnesty bill and actually opposed Cornyn when he asked for more border security.
John Cornyn has drawn no serious primary opposition and will win easily in 2014.
Meanwhile, this place will apparently wig out over anybody who disagrees with the walk-on-water Ted Cruz.
Oh we all knew who who Rubio was. We also knew Crist had been a lousy governor, who stabbed Rudy in the back, who avoided Bush when he flew down to Florida toward the end of his term, who had hugged up to Obama and if we knew it then Cornyn and McCain DAMNED well knew it, too.
For those keeping track, please add Sinkspur's latest post to the list.
Bob Dole wasn't any different that the man he was running against and the voters figured that out rather quickly!Your entitled to your opinion but to set the record straight.
Your entitled to your opinion but to set the record straight.
Bob Dole has two Purple Hearts, and the Bronze Star. Bill Clinton raped a woman, and molested two others.
Bob Dole helped pass Ronald Reagan's agenda for all 8 years as the Senate Majority/Minority Leader. Clinton passed gun restrictions, burned children alive in Waco, and blamed Rush Limbaugh for Timothy McVeigh.
I could go on
Your entitled to your opinion but to set the record straight.
Bob Dole has two Purple Hearts, and the Bronze Star. Bill Clinton raped a woman, and molested two others.
Bob Dole helped pass Ronald Reagan's agenda for all 8 years as the Senate Majority/Minority Leader. Clinton passed gun restrictions, burned children alive in Waco, and blamed Rush Limbaugh for Timothy McVeigh.
I could go on
A lot of folks get a pass just because they wore a uniform. It's not right.
Dole, McCain, Hagel... too many have ridden that horse into the ground which is unfortunate for the many other heroes who did what they did without asking for pats on the back and ever-ending adulation in return.
A lot of folks get a pass just because they wore a uniform. It's not right.On this board someone who rapes, confiscates guns, and burns children alive also gets a pass.
On this board someone who rapes, confiscates guns, and burns children alive also gets a pass.
On this board someone who rapes, confiscates guns, and burns children alive also gets a pass.
On this board someone who rapes, confiscates guns, and burns children alive also gets a pass.
On this board someone who rapes, confiscates guns, and burns children alive also gets a pass.What do you mean by this comment?
I am well aware of Bob Dole's war record and thank him for that service but stand by what I said. Politically he was no different than Bill Clinton. As far as helping pass the Reagan agenda you need to take a closer look at that. Bob had to be dragged kicking and screaming to most of that. Reagan got most of it done by going over the head of the Washington establishment directly to the American people!
Dole, McCain, Hagel... too many have ridden that horse into the ground which is unfortunate for the many other heroes who did what they did without asking for pats on the back and ever-ending adulation in return.
I am well aware of Bob Dole's war record and thank him for that service but stand by what I said. Politically he was no different than Bill Clinton. As far as helping pass the Reagan agenda you need to take a closer look at that. Bob had to be dragged kicking and screaming to most of that. Reagan got most of it done by going over the head of the Washington establishment directly to the American people!
On this board someone who rapes, confiscates guns, and burns children alive also gets a pass.
With all due respect, I'm not aware of Dole, McCain, or Hagel wearing their service on their sleeves as John Kerry has done.
In fact, Bob Dole and Chuck Hagel never mention it unless asked.
On this board someone who rapes, confiscates guns, and burns children alive also gets a pass.
many replies after I see condemnation of Dole for using his war injuries for political points, no condemnation of Clinton. And so far no one agrees with e that Bob Dole was a far better man than Clinton. Hence he gets a pass.
Oh for heavens sakes....Of course we all think Clinton was a low life rapist..it goes without saying.....and Bob Dole a national war hero...must we proclaim this all the time...?IMO It would be nice if positive things about Republicans were noted more often at GOP Briefing Room. Clearly that is not that consensus opinion. Carry on.
IMO It would be nice if positive things about Republicans were noted more often at GOP Briefing Room. Clearly that is not that consensus opinion. Carry on.
IMO It would be nice if positive things about Republicans were noted more often at GOP Briefing Room. Clearly that is not that consensus opinion. Carry on.
In the case of McCain he has good reason not to mention it! If it hadn't been for his father and grandfather being admirals before him John McCain would never have been in the cockpit of an F-4 over Hanoi!That sort of thing was commonplace, and was not John McCain's fault. He was in that cockpit, and as a veteran, I find disrespect for this man's, or ANY other man's service totally unacceptable.
That sort of thing was commonplace, and was not John McCain's fault. He was in that cockpit, and as a veteran, I find disrespect for this man's, or ANY other man's service totally unacceptable.
And then Bob Dole, too?
This sort of nonsense should stop.
IMO It would be nice if positive things about Republicans were noted more often at GOP Briefing Room. Clearly that is not that consensus opinion. Carry on.
IMO It would be nice if positive things about Republicans were noted more often at GOP Briefing Room. Clearly that is not that consensus opinion. Carry on.
IMO It would be nice if positive things about Republicans were noted more often at GOP Briefing Room. Clearly that is not that consensus opinion. Carry on.
I'm sorry but you are just plain wrong about that! McCain was afforded treatment no one else EVER got both at Annapolis and in flight school! Having said that, he DID wind up as a North Vietnamese POW and dishonored himself again! They knew EXACTLY who he was within one hour of his having been pulled out of that lake because HE TOLD THEM! That is how the Dems have been controlling him all of these years!
Oh but they are; they're just about republicans whom you loathe. Considering your sometimes vicious comments about republicans whom you hate, you might go and read up on the 11th Commandment, which was in fact designed precisely to address the damage liberals like you have historically done to the GOP.
But, as you say, "Carry on."
Then again, if you hate what you read on this forum so much, why on Earth are you here? Masochism?
These are some of the most despicable remarks I've read on this forum. Trashing war heroes is now acceptable, acceptable, apparently, to the leader of this forum whose own husband is in the service.
You ought to be ashamed, bub.
These are some of the most despicable remarks I've read on this forum. Trashing war heroes is now acceptable, acceptable, apparently, to the leader of this forum whose own husband is in the service.
You ought to be ashamed, bub.
You have got to be kidding...no one is trashing a war heroes' military service to their country...only to their positions on political views and actions...there is a difference..
example..I adored Gen Petreaus for his military leadership, but do I condone his personal life and him working for this admin...absolutely not....
Members here are clearly separating the two feats.....military service and public service.....
btw....even my own husband is wrong on some of his political ideas and I let him know it....lol
Go back and read Bigun's words on McCain. First, he asserts he got privileges at Annapolis open to no one, then trashes him as he struggled FOR FIVE YEARS in a POW camp. Bigun rips McCain on BOTH his military AND his public service.
It's your forum, but this kind of thing is going to be called out by me and others. There is NO JUSTIFICATION for trashing McCain's military service just because one disagrees with his politics.
Listen...right or wrong Bigun is entitled to his opinion as you are....and you have a lot of opinions many disagree with...but DO NOT call me unpatriotic for allowing someone to voice theirs here....I am 62yo and have been in the military all my life...[daughter, wife and now mother].
Do I have to put out a disclaimer that opinions here do not reflect the views of the owners....if so consider it done!
You have got to be kidding...no one is trashing a war heroes' military service to their country...only to their positions on political views and actions...there is a difference..
Now I guess I'll stand back while Sinky's defenders arrive and scold the rest of us for ((cough)) picking on him.
Oh but they are; they're just about republicans whom you loathe. Considering your sometimes vicious comments about republicans whom you hate, you might go and read up on the 11th Commandment, which was in fact designed precisely to address the damage liberals like you have historically done to the GOP.I don't loathe any Republican. I think they are all great. I just sometimes disagree with tactics, and I would ask you to point to any of my posts as vicious about any GOP member. I save my venom for rats. If Ted Cruz wins the GOP nomination he is my guy and I will defend him even if I think he is wrong, because he will certainly be 10 times better than a rat. I find it sad that you view me as a liberal. 8888crybaby
But, as you say, "Carry on."
Then again, if you hate what you read on this forum so much, why on Earth are you here? Masochism?
You are exactly right. NO ONE is trashing anyone's service to their country. That is the distinction that certain people purposely ignore when they look for excuses to come here to vent their unresolved inner anger issues, and trash the forum and other posters. Which is exactly what Sinkspur has been doing here the past few days.
Now I guess I'll stand back while Sinky's defenders arrive and scold the rest of us for ((cough)) picking on him.
Sink....never go fishing with Cincy or Famous!
... or Lipstick :laugh:
Now I guess I'll stand back while Sinky's defenders arrive and scold the rest of us for ((cough)) picking on him.