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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: mystery-ak on July 06, 2020, 11:28:33 pm
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Pam Key 6 Jul 2020
Monday on CNN’s “Newsroom,†the former Ohio Gov. John Kasich (R) said he believed President Donald Trump had damaged the brand of the Republican Party to the point of a “meltdown.â€
Host Kate Bolduan said, “The Republican Party is—many times you and I have talked on this topic of the party struggling to deal with Donald Trump since the beginning of this presidency, the division that he stirs up. On the virus the president now denying the facts that he’s trying to sell that it’s 99% harmless and it’s life and death. I mean, we talk about responsibility quite a bit, but what is the responsibility of elected Republicans when we talk about leadership in this country when you have a Republican leader in Donald Trump doing what he’s doing?â€
Kasich said, “Because they have coddled him and they have made it easy for him to say these kind things because they operate out of a sense of fear, that if they criticize him, he’s going to go after them and somehow he’s going to cost them their election. If, in fact, Republicans as a group had come out early on, particularly starting with Charlottesville and said that this language is unacceptable, I believe he would have changed, or the party would have separated from him. But, you know, somebody was telling me at the Mt. Rushmore, one of the senators out there clapping his hands and laughing and on the one hand saying I don’t agree with Trump and kind of supporting him. I see that some of them are beginning to move away from Trump. I guarantee you, Kate, at some point in the future some of these people are going to say— once they understand that their election is imperiled by Donald Trump, they will say I’ve never supported Donald Trump.â€
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Kasich bastardo is a RINO.....another demon-rat like Romney. Why are they in republican party? THEY AREN'T....IT.
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For the sake of argument, let's assume Kasich is right(and he may be)
What should the GOP be? Should they be a party that gives in the BLM demands? A party of Big government? More debt?
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For the sake of argument, let's assume Kasich is right(and he may be)
What should the GOP be?
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A party of Big government? More debt?
That they are already.
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This is hardly a newsflash.
The Kasich-Bush-Romney-NeverTrumper wing of the party is butthurt because its not sitting in the power seat. We have our own similar crew right here on this site...who are equally butthurt and bitter against the President. These folks can't wait to jump on the "if Trump loses we can take back the GOP" bandwagon...because they believe they deserve to be pre-eminent. Its entitlement. Its arrogance. And its a measure of how completely out of touch with blue collar-salt of the earth Republican/Conservative voters these aging scions so look down upon.
Screw John Kasich.
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Whether one likes or dislikes Trump the reason many voted for him is he was seen as different from the typical R and D parties.
Kasich must have some direction he wants to see the GOP go post Trump
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Kasich must have some direction he wants to see the GOP go post Trump
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Certainly. Kasich definitely has a direction.
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Kasich bastardo is a RINO.....another demon-rat like Romney. Why are they in republican party? THEY AREN'T....IT.
I don't like Kasich, but what kind of a Republican lets criminals out of jail just to get the BLM votes?
Trump is the BLM Kayne West president. Wouldn't be surprised if any of those children shot over the last week were First Act recipients. That's what criminals do. Crime.
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The fact that Kasich sees the Republican Party as a "brand" is telling.
The value of a brand lies in its marketability and effectiveness. Is it appealing to potential consumers? Does it work?
But political parties are not detergents, appliances, or breakfast cereals.
The central value of a political party lies in the ability to attract a majority of voting citizens who agree on fundamental principles for the purpose of achieving a political majority, so that its elected representatives may effectively promote policies and legislation toward commonly desired ends.
The GOP as presently constituted has no identifiable principles, is unappealing, and doesn't work, either.
It fails both as a party and as a brand, because it doesn't do what it promises after convincing people to "buy" it.
The value of Donald Trump is that he blew up their business model, which for the Republican Party is to be a permanent minority, without power or responsibility, but endlessly promising better results than what the Democrat majority provides, but upon which Republican leaders never truly intend to deliver when they are in power.
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Kasich gave us the last two balanced budgets we had - none since him, also a religious man - would vote for him right now.
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Kasich - YOUR GOP lost TWICE to Obama.
Nobody wants that GOP anymore.
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The fact that Kasich sees the Republican Party as a "brand" is telling.
The value of a brand lies in its marketability and effectiveness. Is it appealing to potential consumers? Does it work?
But political parties are not detergents, appliances, or breakfast cereals.
The central value of a political party lies in the ability to attract a majority of voting citizens who agree on fundamental principles for the purpose of achieving a political majority, so that its elected representatives may effectively promote policies and legislation toward commonly desired ends.
The GOP as presently constituted has no identifiable principles, is unappealing, and doesn't work, either.
It fails both as a party and as a brand, because it doesn't do what it promises after convincing people to "buy" it.
The value of Donald Trump is that he blew up their business model, which for the Republican Party is to be a permanent minority, without power or responsibility, but endlessly promising better results than what the Democrat majority provides, but upon which Republican leaders never truly intend to deliver when they are in power.
Why should they risk anything when all y'all will vote em back in for nothing other than not being Democrats? It's all they need.
Wasn't it Karl Rove that said, "Where else are they going to go?"
And he was right.
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Kasich - YOUR GOP lost TWICE to Obama.
Nobody wants that GOP anymore.
Kasich is competing with Romney for title of The King of Nothing; control of the GOP once Trump is out. They’d rather rule the minority than serve in the majority - being in a powerless minority still pays pretty darn well & no one expects you to achieve anything but running your mouth.
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Kasich is competing with Romney for title of The King of Nothing; control of the GOP once Trump is out. They’d rather rule the minority than serve in the majority - being in a powerless minority still pays pretty darn well & no one expects you to achieve anything but running your mouth.
:amen:
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Kasich gave us the last two balanced budgets we had - none since him, also a religious man - would vote for him right now.
There are several issues that concern me about Kasich; illegal immigration/pathway to citizenship, green energy, opposition to expanding the military, wishy-washy on the 2A, and wants to expand Bammycare just to name a few.
Voting someone into office that doesn't fully honor the second amendment is not an option for me and he's hardly a conservative.
Further info: https://www.ontheissues.org/John_Kasich.htm (https://www.ontheissues.org/John_Kasich.htm)
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Victoria33
Kasich gave us the last two balanced budgets we had - none since him, also a religious man - would vote for him right now.
Victoria, I thought just like you. In fact, when he decided to run in 2015, I thought oh great. But in listening to what he wanted in the weeks that follow, I said, this man is in the wrong party. He should be a Dem. Kasich, the postman's son, is not the man he was 20+ years ago. Nothing remotely like that man.
Trump on the other hand, when he announced he was running, I said to myself, "you clown". But in the ensuing weeks of his announcement, he defined the issues for his campaign, and he defined the issues for 2016's election, and the American people embraced him.
Frankly, John Kasich on his best day could not rise up to the bottom of Trump's shoe sole. Kasich is a nutjob. An utter idiot and no one I want in national governance. However, Like you in the 90s, I revered him. He got lost along the way.
Kasich talks about Trump destroying the Republican brand? What kind of brand did they have to enable an outsider to come in and spank them hard. Need I remind you that little Jeb Bush with his $100 million warchest, the presumed nominee at the start got 1% with his $100 million and bowed out early.
The UGLY TRUTH is that the Republicans got very comfortable being critical of the Dems in control, and were happy not having the reins. Trump comes in and brings victory. The Republicans are clueless how to lead these days, they are such weak sisters. I would love for a new party to emerge that is truly conservative, but we are stuck with the Republican Party with all its warts, like Kasich, Flake, Amash, Weld, Romney and the many other RINOs. All these RINOs need to be booted. They all should be primaried and defeated.
I hope a disciple of Trump is our next president in 2024. Perhaps that is Pence, that remains to be seen. Rest assured, if Trump serves his 2nd term, he will definitely tell America who he supports to carry on his efforts as president. I presume that will be Pence, but maybe not. Time will tell.
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Victoria, I thought just like you. In fact, when he decided to run in 2015, I thought oh great. But in listening to what he wanted in the weeks that follow, I said, this man is in the wrong party. He should be a Dem. Kasich, the postman's son, is not the man he was 20+ years ago. Nothing remotely like that man.
Trump on the other hand, when he announced he was running, I said to myself, "you clown". But in the ensuing weeks of his announcement, he defined the issues for his campaign, and he defined the issues for 2016's election, and the American people embraced him.
Frankly, John Kasich on his best day could not rise up to the bottom of Trump's shoe sole. Kasich is a nutjob. An utter idiot and no one I want in national governance. However, Like you in the 90s, I revered him. He got lost along the way.
Kasich talks about Trump destroying the Republican brand? What kind of brand did they have to enable an outsider to come in and spank them hard. Need I remind you that little Jeb Bush with his $100 million warchest, the presumed nominee at the start got 1% with his $100 million and bowed out early.
The UGLY TRUTH is that the Republicans got very comfortable being critical of the Dems in control, and were happy not having the reins. Trump comes in and brings victory. The Republicans are clueless how to lead these days, they are such weak sisters. I would love for a new party to emerge that is truly conservative, but we are stuck with the Republican Party with all its warts, like Kasich, Flake, Amash, Weld, Romney and the many other RINOs. All these RINOs need to be booted. They all should be primaried and defeated.
I hope a disciple of Trump is our next president in 2024. Perhaps that is Pence, that remains to be seen. Rest assured, if Trump serves his 2nd term, he will definitely tell America who he supports to carry on his efforts as president. I presume that will be Pence, but maybe not. Time will tell.
Kasich won OH in '16 and that was about it. I didn't pay attention to Kasich until the past election and I agree, he's a nutjob and nothing conservative about him.
Depending on who Biden picks as his VP, Trump may have to drop Pence and run with a different VP in order to get re-elected. Nikki Haley or Ted Cruz, setting them up to slide into 2024. Pence has no appeal to me.
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The fact that Kasich sees the Republican Party as a "brand" is telling.
The value of a brand lies in its marketability and effectiveness. Is it appealing to potential consumers? Does it work?
But political parties are not detergents, appliances, or breakfast cereals.
The central value of a political party lies in the ability to attract a majority of voting citizens who agree on fundamental principles for the purpose of achieving a political majority, so that its elected representatives may effectively promote policies and legislation toward commonly desired ends.
The GOP as presently constituted has no identifiable principles, is unappealing, and doesn't work, either.
It fails both as a party and as a brand, because it doesn't do what it promises after convincing people to "buy" it.
The value of Donald Trump is that he blew up their business model, which for the Republican Party is to be a permanent minority, without power or responsibility, but endlessly promising better results than what the Democrat majority provides, but upon which Republican leaders never truly intend to deliver when they are in power.
Good observation, a I saw politicians adopt a D or an R over the past 25-30 years almost as casually as one might drink coke or pepsi. The Party once had a platform composed of policy 'planks'. Now they're both using OSB.
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There is nothing wrong with Trumpism, the populist, pro-American twist on conservatism. The problem is Trump himself as a uniquely polarizing figure.
Trump has done his job and needs to pass the baton. At some level, he must know this.
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There is nothing wrong with Trumpism, the populist, pro-American twist on conservatism. The problem is Trump himself as a uniquely polarizing figure.
Trump has done his job and needs to pass the baton. At some level, he must know this.
You know this isn’t going to happen, so why not just get behind him?
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There is nothing wrong with Trumpism, the populist, pro-American twist on conservatism. The problem is Trump himself as a uniquely polarizing figure.
Trump has done his job and needs to pass the baton. At some level, he must know this.
The MSM is the uniquely polarizing figure. Trump himself seems to be still very welcomed and applauded by his base. At some level the NeverTrumpeteers must know that they are going to have to make a decision; Trump, Biden or abstaining.
At this point, I'm hoping and praying that we even make it to the November election.
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Let the little goober go play with his Lincoln Logs.
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Kasich won OH in '16 and that was about it. I didn't pay attention to Kasich until the past election and I agree, he's a nutjob and nothing conservative about him.
Depending on who Biden picks as his VP, Trump may have to drop Pence and run with a different VP in order to get re-elected. Nikki Haley or Ted Cruz, setting them up to slide into 2024. Pence has no appeal to me.
Cruz is smarter than that. If he ties his wagon to Trump he's done as a politician.
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Cruz is smarter than that. If he ties his wagon to Trump he's done as a politician.
I wouldn't vote for Haley ever. I would hope Cruz is smarter but I don't think so. He has already hitched his wagon.
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Kasich gave us the last two balanced budgets we had - none since him, also a religious man - would vote for him right now.
@Victoria33
I mentioned this dozens of times before -- I grew up with John; he and I attended the same schools together. Personally, he's a nice guy and I am aware that as governor, Ohio had a balanced budget. But other than an apparent fiscal bend, John is liberal on many other issues. I'm not looking for perfection in a candidate -- there are no perfect candidates because they are all human -- but I would like a president one who is more solidly conservative on all the issues, not just one.
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They've been saying this for 10 years now, since Obama won in 2008 actually.
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Kasich gave us the last two balanced budgets we had - none since him, also a religious man - would vote for him right now.
Jimmy Carter was a "religious man," too. Not falling for that again.
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You know this isn’t going to happen, so why not just get behind him?
My advocacy goal is the need for ticket splitting to make sure that the Dems' radicalism is tempered by a GOP majority in the Senate. To the extent that Trump's candidacy represents a roadblock to that goal - as noted elsewhere GOP candidates are frustrated that Trump has failed to even try to flesh out a second term agenda that might boost GOP chances - then I oppose his selfish candidacy.
I think that Trump is an unserious candidate at this point. He is not looking to the future; he is going through the motions. Perhaps he will console himself in defeat with the cloak of martyrdom. But i think he can still be convinced to save himself and his reputation, by passing the baton to a new standard bearer who can consolidate and advance the causes of Americanism and conservatism.
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My advocacy goal is the need for ticket splitting to make sure that the Dems' radicalism is tempered by a GOP majority in the Senate. To the extent that Trump's candidacy represents a roadblock to that goal - as noted elsewhere GOP candidates are frustrated that Trump has failed to even try to flesh out a second term agenda that might boost GOP chances - then I oppose his selfish candidacy.
I think that Trump is an unserious candidate at this point. He is not looking to the future; he is going through the motions. Perhaps he will console himself in defeat with the cloak of martyrdom. But i think he can still be convinced to save himself and his reputation, by passing the baton to a new standard bearer who can consolidate and advance the causes of Americanism and conservatism.
I have given thought that if Trump does continue to sink in the polls, that the RNC focus all funds on those close Senate races. A GOP senate may be the only prevention we have from a Socialist Tsunami.
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I have given thought that if Trump does continue to sink in the polls, that the RNC focus all funds on those close Senate races. A GOP senate may be the only prevention we have from a Socialist Tsunami.
I agree. The Dems appear ready, if they retake the Senate, to abolish the filibuster and with it the power of the minority to stand athwart the socialist tsunami. With the Senate, the GOP can play effective defense and stop the most radical stuff, including the most radical judges.
To me, this must be the eye-single focus going forward. Voters who dislike Trump must be persuaded to nevertheless split their tickets.
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I wouldn't vote for John Kasich for dog catcher much less president of the United States of America.
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I wouldn't vote for John Kasich for dog catcher much less president of the United States of America.
I'd vote for him as official food taster though. Have you seen that guy eat?
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I've said this here MANY times previously but it looks as though I need to repeat it again so here ya go:
These for public consumption polls are designed to drive opinions not measure them!
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I have given thought that if Trump does continue to sink in the polls, that the RNC focus all funds on those close Senate races. A GOP senate may be the only prevention we have from a Socialist Tsunami.
That would be hard to do - He's kinda a comeback kid... It's part of his method... He's all but consumed before he turns on the afterburners. Finding that point of total darkness after he's gone under and knowing he ain't coming back up would sorta have to be an act of divination. :shrug:
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Irrelevant Loser-RINO sez wut?
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You know this isn’t going to happen, so why not just get behind him?
Some people think it's more important to be "correct" than to do what is "right." That little "I told you so!" at the end of the game is more important than winning.
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Some people think it's more important to be "correct" than to do what is "right." That little "I told you so!" at the end of the game is more important than winning.
Although I have no solid evidence something tells me they are doomed to be disappointed.
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Some people think it's more important to be "correct" than to do what is "right." That little "I told you so!" at the end of the game is more important than winning.
Pride, stubbornness and pride. It’s human. Paradoxically however, humanness is something the self righteously critical narcissists strictly deny to Trump. Apparently they go for the double talking political theater types.
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Kasich is ready to fix the GOP Chop Chop
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I have given thought that if Trump does continue to sink in the polls, that the RNC focus all funds on those close Senate races. A GOP senate may be the only prevention we have from a Socialist Tsunami.
@catfish1957 when is the last time that you've known a poll to actually be reliable?? IMHO the RNC also needs to focus on putting systems in place to inhibit the leftist corruption to ensure a fair election.
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@catfish1957 when is the last time that you've known a poll to actually be reliable??
THe RCP average of polls has been pretty reliable for a while and showed Hillary winning around the percentage of vote she did win the popular vote with. Polls aren't what the media makes them out to be but they shouldn't be entirely ignored.
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THe RCP average of polls has been pretty reliable for a while and showed Hillary winning around the percentage of vote she did win the popular vote with. Polls aren't what the media makes them out to be but they shouldn't be entirely ignored.
We are still in pre-season, the real games have yet to begin.
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THe RCP average of polls has been pretty reliable for a while and showed Hillary winning around the percentage of vote she did win the popular vote with. Polls aren't what the media makes them out to be but they shouldn't be entirely ignored.
Do you have a link for that data??
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We are still in pre-season, the real games have yet to begin.
The media claimed Trumps campaign was in disarray the day after his kickoff event in Oklahoma. Folks should probably give the guy a chance to get his campaign started before declaring him the loser.
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Do you have a link for that data??
I don't have one, but I do recall the RCP was pretty accurate in 2016, in the final polls of the popular vote. The trouble is, that completely failed to account for the lopsided urban vs. rural counts, so they blew the count of votes that mattered: The Electoral College, which is why a major goal of the rats is to get around the College somehow.
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I don't have one, but I do recall the RCP was pretty accurate in 2016, in the final polls of the popular vote. The trouble is, that completely failed to account for the lopsided urban vs. rural counts, so they blew the count of votes that mattered: The Electoral College, which is why a major goal of the rats is to get around the College somehow.
I recall the same, exactly.
However, this far out, I have long believed they can manipulate the crap out of polling data... Only having to snug it up and get closer to reality as they get closer to the decision - They have to seem accurate by then... IMHO, there is a correlation between polling accuracy and Time-Till-Election...
And people are sheep.
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I recall the same, exactly.
However, this far out, I have long believed they can manipulate the crap out of polling data... Only having to snug it up and get closer to reality as they get closer to the decision - They have to seem accurate by then... IMHO, there is a correlation between polling accuracy and Time-Till-Election...
And people are sheep.
And let us guess..., you're the 'Shepherd'? *****rollingeyes*****
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I recall the same, exactly.
However, this far out, I have long believed they can manipulate the crap out of polling data... Only having to snug it up and get closer to reality as they get closer to the decision - They have to seem accurate by then... IMHO, there is a correlation between polling accuracy and Time-Till-Election...
And people are sheep.
An aside - I once heard the vote margin of support Hillary Clinton received over Trump can be easily accounted for by the difference in registered vs actual voters in California and New York alone.
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This is hardly a newsflash.
The Kasich-Bush-Romney-NeverTrumper wing of the party is butthurt because its not sitting in the power seat. We have our own similar crew right here on this site...who are equally butthurt and bitter against the President. These folks can't wait to jump on the "if Trump loses we can take back the GOP" bandwagon...because they believe they deserve to be pre-eminent. Its entitlement. Its arrogance. And its a measure of how completely out of touch with blue collar-salt of the earth Republican/Conservative voters these aging scions so look down upon.
Screw John Kasich.
Thank you! Right on. :thumbsup:
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Do you have a link for that data??
888high58888. Hillary DID NOT win any popular vote. That is another LEFT lie. I used to have the stats. POTUS TRUMP won both the popular vote and electoral college. I think it was 307...to 223 Hillary. Going by memory. They think if they repeat the SAME LIE.....about Hillary winning, it will make it true. NOT TRUE.
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And let us guess..., you're the 'Shepherd'? *****rollingeyes*****
As always, another useless drive-by poo-throwing. I guess you have to do what you're good at.
No,'People are sheep,' so the tendency would be for the PTB is to use polling to manipulate them, early on, while they can, without jeopardizing their claims of accuracy... Right NOW, they don't need to be accurate. in the last few weeks they do.
I guess next time I will write all that right from the get-go. I just figured that most folks could get there on their own. But thank you for proving my point.
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An aside - I once heard the vote margin of support Hillary Clinton received over Trump can be easily accounted for by the difference in registered vs actual voters in California and New York alone.
There are liars, damn liars, and statistics... Which makes about anything possible...
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As always, another useless drive-by poo-throwing. I guess you have to do what you're good at.
No,'People are sheep,' so the tendency would be for the PTB is to use polling to manipulate them, early on, while they can, without jeopardizing their claims of accuracy... Right NOW, they don't need to be accurate. in the last few weeks they do.
I guess next time I will write all that right from the get-go. I just figured that most folks could get there on their own. But thank you for proving my point.
Wasn't a "driveby". ALL polls are full of sh*t. Doesn't matter when they're taken.
Tell us what the polls were at 6PM EST on Election Day, November the 8th, 2016.
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Wasn't a "driveby". ALL polls are full of sh*t. Doesn't matter when they're taken.
Tell us what the polls were at 6PM EST on Election Day, November the 8th, 2016.
That was the point of the conversation - In which I was agreeing with @Cyber Liberty . As I recall, the polls close to the election were reasonably accurate - Their projections resembling the popular vote.
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And let us guess..., you're the 'Shepherd'? *****rollingeyes*****
Stop the personal stuff @DCPatriot!
@mystery-ak @Cyber Liberty
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..Trump has failed to even try to flesh out a second term agenda
Apparently you missed the speeches at Mt. Rushmore and at DC.
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Apparently you missed the speeches at Mt. Rushmore and at DC.
What did he say at Mt. Rushmore about a legislative agenda?
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What did he say at Mt. Rushmore about a legislative agenda?
Was that the place or time? You and your friends would be the first to jump his ass if he did that.
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Polls are merely tools. And as for their predictive utility, garbage in, garbage out. And not all polls are commissioned for predictability, but for furthering an agenda.
Bottom line is that, like investments, us folks need to steer towards diversification. Look at trends not individual polls, look at what polls say on average.
I think the polls portend very bad news for the President. Better to get that shot of reality sooner rather than later.
But it all may not matter. We seem to be at the mercy now of larger forces. This election may lance the boil. We may need to play the long game.
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Wasn't a "driveby". ALL polls are full of sh*t. Doesn't matter when they're taken.
Tell us what the polls were at 6PM EST on Election Day, November the 8th, 2016.
:thumbsup:
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Was that the place or time? You and your friends would be the first to jump his ass if he did that.
Stop the personal stuff @Cyber Liberty :laugh:
@mystery-ak @Cyber Liberty @Mod2
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Stop the personal stuff @Cyber Liberty :laugh:
@mystery-ak @Cyber Liberty @Mod2
Ah couldn't hep it. I was bouurne with a silver foot in mah mouf! :laugh: :police:
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Ah couldn't hep it. I was bouurne with a silver foot in mah mouf! :laugh: :police:
LOL!
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Was that the place or time? You and your friends would be the first to jump his ass if he did that.
I was responding to the snarky charge that my complaint about the lack of a Trump 2T agenda to help Senate candidates suggests that I hadn't heard Mt. Rushmore.
You may feel free to answer my question too. Trump needs to work with and support GOP Congressional candidates. If he is going to go off half- cocked most of the time, and bloviate without restraint, he is hurting the party, and it is up to the party to tell him it's time to pass the baton.
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I was responding to the snarky charge that my complaint about the lack of a Trump 2T agenda to help Senate candidates suggests that I hadn't heard Mt. Rushmore.
You may feel free to answer my question too. Trump needs to work with and support GOP Congressional candidates. If he is going to go off half- cocked most of the time, and bloviate without restraint, he is hurting the party, and it is up to the party to tell him it's time to pass the baton.
Oh good grief @Jazzhead give it a rest. He's not stepping down (unless for unforseen health reasons), no does the party have anyone viable to replace him, nor is there anyone challenging him. Pence would get eaten alive and they would soon have him marching in line with their requests. He hasn't hurt the party, the party was crap before he took office -- too many RINO's.
As for the Mount Rushmore speech, you might want to listen again -- I think he made himself crystal clear:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXD4zPY4Ai0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXD4zPY4Ai0#)
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I was responding to the snarky charge that my complaint about the lack of a Trump 2T agenda to help Senate candidates suggests that I hadn't heard Mt. Rushmore.
You may feel free to answer my question too. Trump needs to work with and support GOP Congressional candidates. If he is going to go off half- cocked most of the time, and bloviate without restraint, he is hurting the party, and it is up to the party to tell him it's time to pass the baton.
Was there a question? Was it "How can I best slash the throat of conservatism?" I have no answers to your question.
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Oh good grief @Jazzhead give it a rest. He's not stepping down (unless for unforseen health reasons), no does the party have anyone viable to replace him, nor is there anyone challenging him. Pence would get eaten alive and they would soon have him marching in line with their requests. He hasn't hurt the party, the party was crap before he took office -- too many RINO's.
I think somebody has a high-schooler's grasp of civics, but extraordinarily little in further schooling of politics. I wonder how much he liked Arlen Specter?
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I think somebody has a high-schooler's grasp of civics, but extraordinarily little in further schooling of politics. I wonder how much he liked Arlen Specter?
Here in Pennsy we have a great Senator in Pat Toomey. And Trump's candidacy likely helped him gain re-election.
Trump must be mindful that job one, from the party's perspective, is to keep the Senate. If he disagrees, then he should step down as the party's candidate.
But why should he disagree? A victory in the Senate has a high correlation with victory in the White House.
Simply put, conservatives will be in worse shape if we lose the Senate than if we lose the Presidency.
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Ah couldn't hep it. I was bouurne with a silver foot in mah mouf! :laugh: :police:
Technically that was not personal... 'You and yours' is 'all y'all' and refers to a group, not a person, so...
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I was responding to the snarky charge that my complaint about the lack of a Trump 2T agenda to help Senate candidates suggests that I hadn't heard Mt. Rushmore.
You may feel free to answer my question too. Trump needs to work with and support GOP Congressional candidates. If he is going to go off half- cocked most of the time, and bloviate without restraint, he is hurting the party, and it is up to the party to tell him it's time to pass the baton.
Totally disagree with everything you wrote. You want him to kiss azz....to all the RINO'S.....
Then such disrespect to my president. Why? You want to critique him? lol. WWW.MAGAPILL.COM (http://WWW.MAGAPILL.COM)
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Here in Pennsy we have a great Senator in Pat Toomey. And Trump's candidacy likely helped him gain re-election.
Trump must be mindful that job one, from the party's perspective, is to keep the Senate. If he disagrees, then he should step down as the party's candidate.
But why should he disagree? A victory in the Senate has a high correlation with victory in the White House.
Simply put, conservatives will be in worse shape if we lose the Senate than if we lose the Presidency.
Pat Tomey? That is another RINO as bad as Romney. THE DIRTY DOZEN all need to be removed from office. They are not for America's. And it was unethical what they did!
The 12 Senate Republicans who voted AGAINST PRESIDENT TRUMP for NATIONAL EMERGENCY ON BORDER;
. (We had caravans coming in!).
Roger Wicker of Mississippi,
Marco Rubio of Florida,
Rob Portman of Ohio,
Susan Collins of Maine,
Lisa Murkowski of Alaska,
Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania,
Roy Blunt of Missouri,
Lamar Alexander of Tennessee,
Mitt Romney of Utah,
Rand Paul of Kentucky,
Jerry Moran of Kansas
and Mike Lee of Utah.
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I was responding to the snarky charge that my complaint about the lack of a Trump 2T agenda to help Senate candidates suggests that I hadn't heard Mt. Rushmore.
You may feel free to answer my question too. Trump needs to work with and support GOP Congressional candidates. If he is going to go off half- cocked most of the time, and bloviate without restraint, he is hurting the party, and it is up to the party to tell him it's time to pass the baton.
Lesley Gore - It's my party
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIsnIt1p978#)
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Pat Tomey? That is another RINO as bad as Romney. THE DIRTY DOZEN all need to be removed from office. They are not for America's. And it was unethical what they did!
The 12 Senate Republicans who voted AGAINST PRESIDENT TRUMP for NATIONAL EMERGENCY ON BORDER;
. (We had caravans coming in!).
Roger Wicker of Mississippi,
Marco Rubio of Florida,
Rob Portman of Ohio,
Susan Collins of Maine,
Lisa Murkowski of Alaska,
Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania,
Roy Blunt of Missouri,
Lamar Alexander of Tennessee,
Mitt Romney of Utah,
Rand Paul of Kentucky,
Jerry Moran of Kansas
and Mike Lee of Utah.
One Republican senators statement.
"I don't disagree as to the wisdom of such a law...but lets fully acknowledge that it IS the law that the President is adhering to.
It is deeply unethical and anti-conservative for any GOP Senator to oppose the President when he is defending our southern border BY following the law as written."
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One Republican senators statement.
"I don't disagree as to the wisdom of such a law...but lets fully acknowledge that it IS the law that the President is adhering to.
It is deeply unethical and anti-conservative for any GOP Senator to oppose the President when he is defending our southern border BY following the law as written."
Trump is replacing portions of fence:
SAN DIEGO, California — The Trump administration has not installed a single mile of new wall in a previously fenceless part of the U.S.-Mexico border in the 30 months since President Trump assumed office, despite his campaign promise to construct a “big beautiful wall.â€
In a statement last week, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, the federal agency overseeing border barrier construction, confirmed that all the fencing completed since Trump took office is "in place of dilapidated designs" because the existing fence was in need of replacement.
The agency said that it had built 51 miles of steel bollard fence with funding that was set aside during fiscal 2017 and 2018. But while the funding was meant both to replace outdated walls and to place barriers where there previously had been none, the government has only completed the replacement projects. The projects to secure areas with no fence are still in the works.
The 50 miles of completed replacement barrier is a 10-mile gain since early April. In Trump’s two and a half years in office, his administration has installed an average 1.7 miles of barrier per month, and none of it in areas that did not previously have some sort of barrier. A total 205 miles of new and replacement barrier has been funded in the two and a half years since Trump took office.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-has-not-built-a-single-mile-of-new-border-fence-after-30-months-in-office (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-has-not-built-a-single-mile-of-new-border-fence-after-30-months-in-office)
Not some grandioso Border wall. Its bollard fencing. Taller than the other bollard fencing.
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Not some grandioso Border wall. Its bollard fencing. Taller than the other bollard fencing.
I'm sorry the border barrier does not meet your exacting technical specifications. From where did you obtain your BS Degree in Civil Engineering?
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I'm sorry the border barrier does not meet your exacting technical specifications. From where did you obtain your BS Degree in Civil Engineering?
The same school she received her degrees in Epidemiology, Applied Behavioral Science, Psychology, PolySci and International Studies.
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The same school she received her degrees in Epidemiology, Applied Behavioral Science, Psychology, PolySci and International Studies.
From the ad in the back of the comic book?
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From the ad in the back of the comic book?
Reminds me of the last time in 1967 when money was last duped out of me. My disappointment only trumped my anger of monetary loss.
(http://s3.crackedcdn.com/articleimages/wong/comicads/xray.jpg)
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I'm sorry the border barrier does not meet your exacting technical specifications. From where did you obtain your BS Degree in Civil Engineering?
Emphasis on "BS". (ooops.... 888mouth)
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The same school she received her degrees in Epidemiology, Applied Behavioral Science, Psychology, PolySci and International Studies.
Hate can become grounds for making stuff up about Trump—sort of a license to lie, dressed up as political criticism.
I guess maybe I stumbled into a working definition of TDS?
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Reminds me of the last time in 1967 when money was last duped out of me. My disappointment only trumped my anger of monetary loss.
(http://s3.crackedcdn.com/articleimages/wong/comicads/xray.jpg)
:rolling:
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Trump is replacing portions of fence:
Not some grandioso Border wall. Its bollard fencing. Taller than the other bollard fencing.
For @Chosen Daughter ... again.
From March:
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piVd_6VPpyM#)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piVd_6VPpyM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piVd_6VPpyM)
From Jun 23, 2020:
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dkb4eSD2R4#)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcQCk0IWAAARcui?format=jpg&name=large)
10:46 AM · Jul 6, 2020·Sprout Social
https://twitter.com/USBPChief/status/1280151029795950593 (https://twitter.com/USBPChief/status/1280151029795950593)
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Hate can become grounds for making stuff up about Trump—sort of a license to lie, dressed up as political criticism.
I guess maybe I stumbled into a working definition of TDS?
It's worse than any mere "TDS". I'd call it more a case of OCTDS. Obsessive Compulsive Trump Derrangement Syndrome. But I digress.....
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From the ad in the back of the comic book?
SMU *
* Sea Monkies University
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It's worse than any mere "TDS". I'd call it more a case of OCTDS. Obsessive Compulsive Trump Derrangement Syndrome. But I digress.....
And it's fully protected speech here... in a forum with less than 3 dozen active posters, requiring anonymous moderators.
Any criticism is immediately jumped upon with charges of "sniping and snipping".
@Cyber Liberty excepted.
And they've got the gall to claim I'm a disrupter because I speak unabashed truth.
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From March:
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piVd_6VPpyM#)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piVd_6VPpyM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piVd_6VPpyM)
From Jun 23, 2020:
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dkb4eSD2R4#)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcQCk0IWAAARcui?format=jpg&name=large)
10:46 AM · Jul 6, 2020·Sprout Social
https://twitter.com/USBPChief/status/1280151029795950593 (https://twitter.com/USBPChief/status/1280151029795950593)
Your video and article aren't a year old! Is that "fair"? :sarc: Just be ready for
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-by5oj_jws34/TonUNPZaNEI/AAAAAAAACOw/LCcwS4mECPY/s1600/NETS.jpg)
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And it's fully protected speech here... in a forum with less than 3 dozen active posters, requiring anonymous moderators.
Any criticism is immediately jumped upon with charges of "sniping and snipping".
@Cyber Liberty excepted.
And they've got the gall to claim I'm a disrupter because I speak unabashed truth.
Ehhh.... with all due respect....
it's not speaking the truth that's the problem, methinks. It's "how" you speak the truth....lol. There's an art to it. One that has to be practiced, worked on and perfected. You know... like how you'd practice it at a rabidly leftist-biased forum (like Slate's Fray, for instance).
Unemotional is key, btw. I've been on the receiving end of your "truth" in the past, remember. :laugh:
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Ehhh.... with all due respect....
it's not speaking the truth that's the problem, methinks. It's "how" you speak the truth....lol. There's an art to it. One that has to be practiced, worked on and perfected. You know... like how you'd practice it at a rabidly leftist-biased forum (like Slate's Fray, for instance).
Unemotional is key, btw. I've been on the receiving end of your "truth" in the past, remember. :laugh:
Must we remind you that today, you're one of the POTUS' biggest supporters on the forum?
Why is that? If it wasn't MY "truth", whose was it, specifically? :patriot:
PS: Unabashed definition, not ashamed, disconcerted, or apologetic; boldly certain of one's position.
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TBR Statement..must read
mystery-ak
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,308154.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,308154.0.html)
I and the MODs will now start being more diligent in enforcing these simple rules which are:
No personal insults
No comments meant to derail the thread
No intentionally trying to incite another poster
And, no comments that denigrate TBR and/or its members. You can always go elsewhere if you do not like the environment here.
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Must we remind you that today, you're one of the POTUS' biggest supporters on the forum?
Why is that? If it wasn't MY "truth", whose was it, specifically? :patriot:
PS: Unabashed definition, not ashamed, disconcerted, or apologetic; boldly certain of one's position.
Yeah... and you missed the point (whooshed right over your head...lolol).
Focus on "how" you speak that truth! There is a 'right' way. Find it.
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irrational justification coming in ...3 ....2....
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TBR members are not the topic of this thread.