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Title: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 04, 2020, 04:05:45 pm
Iranian Revolutionary Guard commander threatens attacks on 'vital' US destroyers, warships

By Paulina Dedaj | Fox News

A senior military official in Iran threatened an attack on some 35 “American targets,” including “destroyers and warships” near the Persian Gulf Friday night, promising to seek revenge for the killing of Gen. Qassem Soleimani, according to a report.

The latest threat against the U.S. came late Friday night from senior Revolutionary Guards commander Gen. Gholamali Abuhamzeh, a day after top Iranian military general Soleimani was wiped out by an airstrike at Baghdad International Airport.

 
Abuhamzeh, commander of the Revolutionary Guards in the southern province of Kerman, foreshadowed a possible attack on “vital American targets” located in the Strait of Hormuz in retaliation of Soleimani’s death.

   more
 https://www.foxnews.com/world/iran-revolutionary-guard-commander-attack-destroys-warships-persian-gulf (https://www.foxnews.com/world/iran-revolutionary-guard-commander-attack-destroys-warships-persian-gulf)
Title: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 06, 2020, 06:59:18 pm
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Iran will never have a nuclear weapon: Trump
AFP, Washington Monday, 6 January 2020

President Donald Trump on Monday repeated his insistence that Iran will not be allowed to obtain a nuclear weapon.

Writing in all-caps, the US leader tweeted: “IRAN WILL NEVER HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON!”

Read more at: https://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2020/01/06/Iran-will-never-have-a-nuclear-weapon-Trump.html

The tweet is at the article link.

Starting a new top of the forum thread for updates. Threads say, that are more than 24 hours old and seeing little activity will be merged into this one.

It's time to have a thread marking a new phase of this situation.  Feel free to post in the regular area, it just may be merged after a day or two.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 07, 2020, 04:10:37 am
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Pro-Iran Lebanese outlets reshare 1983 Beirut bombings photo, vow repeat attacks

(https://vid.alarabiya.net/images/2020/01/07/1b4a0ae3-3c51-4770-82ad-19c9dbc6ad7d/1b4a0ae3-3c51-4770-82ad-19c9dbc6ad7d_16x9_788x442.png)
Photo showing a destruction of a building during the 1983 Hezbollah attack on a US Marines compound in Beirut and a header titled the “Great War of Liberation.” (Photo via al-Akhbar's front page)

Ismaeel Naar, Al Arabiya English Tuesday, 7 January 2020

Several pro-Iranian media outlets and journalists have been sharing a photo showing the funeral caskets of US Marines killed in Beirut in 1983 alongside hashtags calling for revenge and a repeat of the attack.

Pro-Hezbollah newspaper al-Akhbar ran a special focus page marking the assassination of Iranian top commander Qassem Soleimani on Friday - on its website with the main photo showing the destruction of a building during the 1983 attack in Beirut and a header titled the “Great War of Liberation.”

“Because there is no leader in America that reaches Soleimani's ‘shoes’, the Secretary General of Hezbollah Hassan Nasrallah, in his memorial address about the martyrs of the American raid, announced that they would pay a price for their its presence in the region. In the name of the resistance axis, its soldiers and officers deployed in the countries of the region are assured to return to their country in coffins,” al-Akhbar’s lede editorial read.

Read more at: https://english.alarabiya.net/en/media/digital/2020/01/07/Pro-Iran-Lebanese-outlets-reshare-1983-Beirut-bombings-photo-vow-repeat-attacks.html

That was terrible and happened while Reagan was President. I can't fathom how the press would react today if something like that Beirut bombings occurred... BUT the problem with Beirut was, the security let someone with a car bomb come in and blow the place up.  We didn't have good security, the UN or whomever, did not plan it properly.  It was not, from what I know, the US's fault.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 07, 2020, 09:58:24 am
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US VP Pence to lay out Iran policy in upcoming speech: White House
Reuters, Washington Tuesday, 7 January 2020

US Vice President Mike Pence will give a speech next Monday laying out the government’s policy on Iran, a White House official said, after the US killing of a top Iranian general sparked protests across the Middle Eastern nation.

Pence will make the remarks at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies’ National Security Summit in Washington, and is expected to focus on differences between the Iranian people and their government, the official said, declining to offer further details on content and speaking on condition of anonymity.

Tensions between Washington and Tehran have heightened since a US drone strike killed Iranian military commander Qassem Soleimani at the Baghdad airport on Friday.

Read more at: https://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2020/01/07/US-Vice-President-Pence-to-lay-out-Iran-policy-in-upcoming-speech-White-House-.html (https://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2020/01/07/US-Vice-President-Pence-to-lay-out-Iran-policy-in-upcoming-speech-White-House-.html)

The "cultural sites" kerfuffle:

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"They're allowed to kill our people. They're allowed to torture and maim our people. They're allowed to use roadside bombs and blow up our people," he said.

"And we're not allowed to touch their cultural sites? It doesn't work that way."

The targeted killing of Soleimani divided people in the Middle East, with some in Iraq and Syria celebrating the death of the commander, who had been instrumental in the Syrian war that has resulted in hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths.

See more at: https://www.albawaba.com/news/us-may-target-iranian-cultural-sites-and-would-constitute-war-crime-1331242 (https://www.albawaba.com/news/us-may-target-iranian-cultural-sites-and-would-constitute-war-crime-1331242)

Articles also say both Bush and Obama passed over dealing with Soleimani because of the backlash. I wonder if dealing with him in a more clandestine way might have been better. Did we have to announce it to the world? The guy was evil, I knew who he was.

Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 07, 2020, 09:41:58 pm
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US forces on high alert for possible Iranian drone attacks, and intelligence shows Iran moving military equipment
By Barbara Starr, CNN Pentagon Correspondent

Updated 4:05 PM ET, Tue January 7, 2020
US forces on high alert for possible Iran drone attacks

Washington (CNN)US forces and air-defense missile batteries across the Middle East were placed on high alert overnight Monday to possibly shoot down Iranian drones as intelligence mounted about a threat of an imminent attack against US targets, two US officials tell CNN.

The alert reflects the heightened tensions between the US and Iran in the wake of last week's US drone strike that killed a top Iranian general, Qasem Soleimani. US officials have claimed the strike against the general was carried out to prevent an "imminent" attack in the region that would have put American lives at risk, but have so far declined to provide details about the intelligence.

US intelligence also has observed Iran moving military equipment, including drones and ballistic missiles, over the last several days. US officials said the movement may be an Iranian effort to secure its weapons from a potential US strike, or put them in positions to launch their own attacks.

More: https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/07/politics/us-iran-high-alert-drone-attacks/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/07/politics/us-iran-high-alert-drone-attacks/index.html)

Significant, before Fox and other cable/satellite outfits, I'd grade high some of their coverage as good, the first Gulf War; but it's hard to compare now and then and whatever biases they had though, Amanapour has been called an "Iran apologist", sounds accurate to me.

Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 07, 2020, 10:48:08 pm
That was terrible and happened while Reagan was President. I can't fathom how the press would react today if something like that Beirut bombings occurred... BUT the problem with Beirut was, the security let someone with a car bomb come in and blow the place up.  We didn't have good security, the UN or whomever, did not plan it properly.  It was not, from what I know, the US's fault.
Soleimani was at the helm of that attack, along with the Khobar Towers bombing, and the embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania. The guy got around, and alot of people were maimed or killed because of him. Good riddance.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 07, 2020, 11:09:42 pm
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Joyce Karam
@Joyce_Karam
BREAKING: 6 Rockets hit joint US #Iraq Al Asad Base. US official confirms to
@jackdetsch_ALM
 .

Same base that Trump & Pompeo visited in 2019. Very alarming development

https://mobile.twitter.com/Joyce_Karam/status/1214682354570158080

More at her account.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 07, 2020, 11:10:37 pm
Soleimani was at the helm of that attack, along with the Khobar Towers bombing, and the embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania. The guy got around, and alot of people were maimed or killed because of him. Good riddance.

Thanks, informative answer.
Title: BREAKING: 10 rockets hit airbase in Iraq where US troops are located By Hamdi Alkhshali, CNN
Post by: libertybele on January 07, 2020, 11:49:40 pm
BREAKING:  10 rockets hit airbase in Iraq where US troops are located


t least 10 rockets hit al-Asad airbase in Iraq, which houses US forces, a Sunni commander of the paramilitary forces in a nearby town told CNN.
Qatri al-Obeidi, a commander in the nearby town of al-Baghdadi, said that the shelling has stopped for now. President Donald Trump visited the base in December 2018 to visit troops after Christmas. Vice President Mike Pence also visited the base in November 2019. The attack follows last week's deadly US drone strike that Trump ordered to kill key Iranian General Qasem Soleimani.
Iranian state TV reported that the Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, or IRGC, "has hit U.S. Ain al-Asad airbase in Iraq with tens of missiles." The IRGC warned the US of of more "crushing responses in case of new aggression," according to state TV. The IRGC said it will target any regional state that becomes a platform for US aggression, a second banner on state TV read.
CNN reported earlier on Tuesday that US forces and air-defense missile batteries across the Middle East were placed on high alert overnight Monday to possibly shoot down Iranian drones as intelligence mounted about a threat of an imminent attack against US targets, according to two US officials.....

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/07/politics/rockets-us-airbase-iraq/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/07/politics/rockets-us-airbase-iraq/index.html)
Title: Re: BREAKING: 10 rockets hit airbase in Iraq where US troops are located By Hamdi Alkhshali, CNN
Post by: libertybele on January 07, 2020, 11:50:52 pm
Missile attacks target US forces in Iraq, senior military source says; Iran suspected

https://www.foxnews.com/world/missile-attacks-target-us-forces-in-iraq-senior-military-source-says-iran-suspected (https://www.foxnews.com/world/missile-attacks-target-us-forces-in-iraq-senior-military-source-says-iran-suspected)
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Elderberry on January 07, 2020, 11:51:09 pm
VIDEO: US airbase under missile attack from Iran, say reports

American Military News 1/7/2020 by  Laura Widener

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/01/video-us-airbase-under-missile-attack-from-iran-say-reports/ (https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/01/video-us-airbase-under-missile-attack-from-iran-say-reports/)

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Numerous rockets have been fired at the Al Asad Air Base in Iraq, which houses U.S. and Iraqi troops, in addition to other locations in Iraq.

A senior U.S. military official told Fox News that “missiles” struck “multiple locations across Iraq,” describing it as attacks from Iran.

Iran’s Fars News Agency posted photos showing what is claimed to be an Iranian ballistic missile fired at the U.S. base in Iraq.

Iranian state television said Iran launched “’tens’ of surface-to-surface missiles,” in revenge for the killing of IRGC Quds Force Gen. Qassem Soleimani the Associated Press reported (https://apnews.com/add7a702258b4419d796aa5f48e577fc).

More at link.

Title: Re: BREAKING: 10 rockets hit airbase in Iraq where US troops are located By Hamdi Alkhshali, CNN
Post by: Gefn on January 07, 2020, 11:53:34 pm
 888cryingkitty
Title: Missile attacks target US forces in Iraq, senior military source says; Iran suspected
Post by: EdinVA on January 07, 2020, 11:56:32 pm
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Missiles were fired early Wednesday in multiple locations across Iraq (https://www.foxnews.com/category/world/world-regions/iraq), a senior U.S. military (https://www.foxnews.com/category/us/military) source in the country told Fox News, describing it as a series of attacks on U.S. forces from Iran (https://www.foxnews.com/category/world/conflicts/iran).
The source told Fox News' Jennifer Griffin: "Under missile attack from Iran. These are either cruise missiles or short-range ballistic missiles. All over the country." The missiles struck near Al Assad Air Base in Anbar, among other locations. There was no immediate word on injuries or damage.
Meantime, Iran state TV claimed Tehran launched "tens" of surface-to-surface missiles at Iraq's Ain Assad air base housing U.S. troops.


https://www.foxnews.com/world/missile-attacks-target-us-forces-in-iraq-senior-military-source-says-iran-suspected (https://www.foxnews.com/world/missile-attacks-target-us-forces-in-iraq-senior-military-source-says-iran-suspected)
Title: Re: BREAKING: 10 rockets hit airbase in Iraq where US troops are located By Hamdi Alkhshali, CNN
Post by: libertybele on January 07, 2020, 11:59:46 pm
888cryingkitty

Numerous reports of troops being deployed yesterday, with more today.  This is it.  This President isn't going to stand idly by.

GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!!  Prayers up for our military, our President and our country.   :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
Title: Re: BREAKING: 10 rockets hit airbase in Iraq where US troops are located By Hamdi Alkhshali, CNN
Post by: catfish1957 on January 08, 2020, 12:06:53 am
Numerous reports of troops being deployed yesterday, with more today.  This is it.  This President isn't going to stand idly by.

GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!!!!  Prayers up for our military, our President and our country.   :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

Iran just screwed up big time.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: sneakypete on January 08, 2020, 12:11:52 am
Iranian Revolutionary Guard commander threatens attacks on 'vital' US destroyers, warships

By Paulina Dedaj | Fox News

 
Abuhamzeh, commander of the Revolutionary Guards in the southern province of Kerman, foreshadowed a possible attack on “vital American targets” located in the Strait of Hormuz in retaliation of Soleimani’s death.

 

I wonder who his replacement will be?
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 12:12:21 am
IRGC: Missile attack on US base in Iraq is revenge for Soleimani killing
Initial reports stated that 9 rockets hit the al-Assad airbase in Iraq on Tuesday. The base hosts American soldiers. Trump briefed on situation.
By TZVI JOFFRE   JANUARY 8, 2020 02:06

more
https://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Multiple-rockets-hit-Taji-base-in-Iraq-hosting-American-troops-613476 (https://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Multiple-rockets-hit-Taji-base-in-Iraq-hosting-American-troops-613476)
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 12:17:58 am
LIVE Breaking News
@NewsBreaking
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BREAKING: Kurdistan24 reporting that Iranian tv is reporting a second round of attacks on U.S. base has begun
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 12:21:14 am
Heather Caygle
@heatherscope
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In meeting tonight Speaker Pelosi was handed a note telling her VP Pence was on the phone.

“Tell him I’ll call him back,” she said according to sources in room, noting she had to go open the House for new session.

Two minutes later, she was handed note about air base bombing.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: libertybele on January 08, 2020, 12:22:10 am


Ranj Alaaldin
‏Verified account @RanjAlaaldin

According to reliable sources, Iran has outlined *seven* retaliatory attack scenarios sanctioned by the Iranian leadership. Tonight's attack will apparently pale in comparison to these other far more destructive attacks Iran will launch if there is a US response.
4:16 PM - 7 Jan 2020

Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 12:23:12 am
Andrea Mitchell
@mitchellreports
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DOD: At approx 5:30 pm EST 1/7 Iran launched more than a dozen ballistic missiles against U.S. & coalition forces in Iraq - these missiles were launched from Iran & targeted at least 2 Iraqi military bases hosting U.S. military & coalition personnel at Al-Assad and Irbil
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: sneakypete on January 08, 2020, 12:28:29 am
That was terrible and happened while Reagan was President. I can't fathom how the press would react today if something like that Beirut bombings occurred... BUT the problem with Beirut was, the security let someone with a car bomb come in and blow the place up.  We didn't have good security, the UN or whomever, did not plan it properly.  It was not, from what I know, the US's fault.

@TomSea

IIRC,there were USMC guards at the gate,and besides their standard rifles,there was a 50 caliber M-2 there.

The problem was a lack of experience (being polite) by the senior man at the gate due to the Rules of Engagement laid out by the senior Jarhead,who didn't want anything to happen that he could be blamed for,and harm his career.

For those of you who don't know,in the military the "Rules of Engagement" can vary wildly from one duty post to another,but are USUALLY used as a guideline for when NOT to shoot,and any Marine or soldier who violates the rules of engagement can be arrested and charged with murder if he or she kills someone. Even if they don't kill anyone they can be court-martialed for a whole series of infractions.

Usually this means the guards might as well be asleep because they won't even shoot if shot at unless some officer gives them the ok,and officers are generally scarce on the ground around gates/check points. Make the right decisions,you are a hero. Make the wrong decision,and you will be put on trial for murder.

IF the senior man on duty,who may well have been a 20 year old Corporal with NO experience other than theoretical,and you can't really blame him for not lighting up the truck with the 50 cal. Especially if you take into consideration that these were the VERY "early days"  of Islamic aggression this time around. Yeah,they were guards,but they didn't really have the mindset you would see on guards guarding a gate in the Muddle East today. Today's guards WILL light your ass UP! if you seem to be crashing the gate. We are not as innocent today as we used to be.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 12:29:21 am
LIVE Breaking News
@NewsBreaking
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BREAKING: Iranian media reports that Iranian fighter jets have taken off from their bases - BBC
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 12:30:34 am
Lee Zeldin
@RepLeeZeldin
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There better not be any US casualties. This was not a smart escalation call by Iran.
Title: Re: BREAKING: 10 rockets hit airbase in Iraq where US troops are located By Hamdi Alkhshali, CNN
Post by: Bigun on January 08, 2020, 12:31:07 am
Iran just screwed up big time.

I hope they are giving thanks for that which they are about to receive.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 12:31:23 am
Jack Posobiec
🇺🇸
@JackPosobiec
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Hearing more than just F-35s are taking off
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 12:32:47 am
LIVE Breaking News
@NewsBreaking
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BREAKING: "Asked about whether the US should retaliate again, Democratic Sen. Jack Reed says if there are significant casualties in this Iranian strike, then it would be “very difficult to just simply say, let’s stop.”' -
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 12:35:06 am
BNO News
@BNONews
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What we know:
- Iran fired "more than a dozen" ballistic missiles
- Targeting U.S. forces at Al Asad and Erbil in Iraq
- Iran has claimed responsibility
- No word on damage, casualties
- Trump has been briefed
- No U.S. response so far
Stay with @BNONews
 for updates
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: libertybele on January 08, 2020, 12:37:00 am
Iran strikes back at US with missile attack at air base

.....Iran’s Revolutionary Guard warned the U.S. and its regional allies against retaliating over the missile attack against the Ain Assad air base in Iraq’s western Anbar province. The Guard issued the warning via a statement carried by Iran’s state-run IRNA news agency.

“We are warning all American allies, who gave their bases to its terrorist army, that any territory that is the starting point of aggressive acts against Iran will be targeted,” The Guard said. It also threatened Israel.
...........

https://apnews.com/add7a702258b4419d796aa5f48e577fc
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: skeeter on January 08, 2020, 12:37:27 am
BNO News
@BNONews
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What we know:
- Iran fired "more than a dozen" ballistic missiles
- Targeting U.S. forces at Al Asad and Erbil in Iraq
- Iran has claimed responsibility
- No word on damage, casualties
- Trump has been briefed
- No U.S. response so far
Stay with @BNONews
 for updates

Good opportunity to set back Iran's nuclear program another ten years.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 12:38:13 am
John Ocasio-Nolte
@NolteNC
Remember

CNN, NBC, Washington Post, etc. all very much WANT to see as many dead American soldiers as are needed to bring down Trump’s numbers.

These are the same evil outlets that deliberately used lied to provoke race riots in Baltimore and Ferguson

Believe nothing.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: 240B on January 08, 2020, 12:38:13 am
Iranian government ia a totterlin old fossil teetering on an old vase on a  rickety old pedestal.
One shot to their infrustutier will do them in. They are nothing but 'terror', without that they have nothing..
(excrep the billions of cash that Jarrett gave them for her solid gold statue in Teherah Square!
Title: Re: BREAKING: 10 rockets hit airbase in Iraq where US troops are located By Hamdi Alkhshali, CNN
Post by: DCPatriot on January 08, 2020, 12:38:30 am
Iran just screwed up big time.

At the risk of pissing some members off.... I'm damned excited!!    :2popcorn:
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: sneakypete on January 08, 2020, 12:39:07 am
The "cultural sites" kerfuffle:

Articles also say both Bush and Obama passed over dealing with Soleimani because of the backlash. I wonder if dealing with him in a more clandestine way might have been better. Did we have to announce it to the world? The guy was evil, I knew who he was.

@TomSea

Hard to say if you haven't been sitting around the table as this was discussed,and obviously,none of us were there.

I do see your point,but I also understand that sometimes you might want to go pubic with this to send a subtle message to others about what THEIR future will look like if they try this crap with us. It might help prevent your enemy from gaining allies.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 12:40:06 am
Breaking911
@Breaking911
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Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Secretary of Defense Esper have just arrived at the White House
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 12:41:09 am
LIVE Breaking News
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BREAKING: Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley has arrived at the White House - CNN
Title: Re: BREAKING: 10 rockets hit airbase in Iraq where US troops are located By Hamdi Alkhshali, CNN
Post by: EdinVA on January 08, 2020, 12:44:11 am
At the risk of pissing some members off.... I'm damned excited!!    :2popcorn:
It is looong over due, but having said that, fighting fanatics is a whole different ball game...... concerned but ready for this 40 year old nest of terrorist to be cleaned out.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 12:45:26 am
Dan Bongino
@dbongino
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Our bases are under attack & liberals, along with the anti-Trump crowd, on this platform are celebrating & cracking jokes. These people hate you, they hate this country,& they worship our enemies as long as those enemies can score a few points against Trump. Absolutely disgusting
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 12:46:31 am
LIVE Breaking News
@NewsBreaking
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BREAKING: Casualties reported among the Iraqis at Al Assad airbase following Iranian attack - CNN
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Victoria33 on January 08, 2020, 12:46:43 am
Some people killed at one air base, says think it is Iraqis, not American.
Okay, CNN says working on causalities report.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 12:48:11 am
LIVE Breaking News
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BREAKING: Casualties reported among the Iraqis at Al Assad airbase following Iranian attack - CNN
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 12:50:47 am
John R Parkinson
@jparkABC
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Meanwhile, @SpeakerPelosi
 tweets she's "closely monitoring the situation following bombings targeting U.S. troops in Iraq."



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Anna Spiegel
@AnnaSpiegs
Nancy Pelosi at Danny Meyer’s Maialino Mare opening in Navy Yard.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENt8-yzXUAQF7L-?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 12:52:14 am
Department of Defense
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@DeptofDefense
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The following statement is attributed to @ChiefPentSpox
: At approximately 1730 EST on Jan. 7, Iran launched at least a dozen ballistic missiles against U.S. military & coalition forces in Iraq.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 12:53:03 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENrpLsVX0AI_N__?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 12:53:43 am
Bilal Wahab
@BilalWahab
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This is a key point. There are NO US bases in Iraq. There are Iraqi bases that house US military personnel. Iran just attacked IRAQI military facilities with aim of killing Americans.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: libertybele on January 08, 2020, 12:53:50 am
Dan Bongino
@dbongino
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Our bases are under attack & liberals, along with the anti-Trump crowd, on this platform are celebrating & cracking jokes. These people hate you, they hate this country,& they worship our enemies as long as those enemies can score a few points against Trump. Absolutely disgusting

I reread that a couple of times -- I'd say some need to do some serious soul searching.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: EdinVA on January 08, 2020, 12:55:30 am
I reread that a couple of times -- I'd say some need to do some serious soul searching.
Soul?
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 12:58:59 am
Jim Hoft
@gatewaypundit
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Have Democrats enlisted in the Iranian Military yet?
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 12:59:31 am
BNO News
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BREAKING: President Trump is expected to address the nation later tonight, according to CNN
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Wingnut on January 08, 2020, 01:00:18 am
BNO News
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3m
BREAKING: President Trump is expected to address the nation later tonight, according to CNN

After we have retaliated I hope.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 01:03:15 am
Matt Couch
🎙
@RealMattCouch
·
6m
You know this is serious when the Democrat Politicians are even backing the President right now..

It's going down..
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 01:04:20 am
Alexandria Nicole Retweeted
Chris Barron
@ChrisRBarron
·
12m
If only we hadn’t given them pallets of cash.
Quote Tweet




Ben Rhodes
@brhodes
 Â· 28m
This didn’t need to happen.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 01:04:52 am
LIVE Breaking News
@NewsBreaking
·
58s
BREAKING: It is being reported that the only casualties in Iranian missile attack were among Iraqis - KANN
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 01:05:41 am
Matt Couch
🎙
@RealMattCouch
·
1m
Too early to tell, it's 6AM in Iraq, will know more soon. Stand by.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: skeeter on January 08, 2020, 01:06:42 am
Matt Couch
🎙
@RealMattCouch
·
6m
You know this is serious when the Democrat Politicians are even backing the President right now..

It's going down..

Today.

Tomorrow they'll add anything he does tonight to the impeachment articles.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 01:07:26 am
Kevin Jackson
@KevinJacksonTBS
·
3m
The Middle East is about to get a lesson they've needed since 1979

And so will America's Leftist traitors
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: XenaLee on January 08, 2020, 01:10:31 am
Today.

Tomorrow they'll add anything he does tonight to the impeachment articles.

Right about now, the idiot left is busily editing their BS list.....

Quote
Articles of Impeachment:

Obstruction of Congress
Abuse of PowerStarting WWIII
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 01:12:43 am
Kevin McCarthy
@GOPLeader
·
2m
Tonight we must be united in the fight against terrorism and those who would do our country harm. America’s full support is with our courageous service men and women standing the watch.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: XenaLee on January 08, 2020, 01:13:01 am
If true, this is about to get very interesting.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gWMtBuqD7w&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gWMtBuqD7w&feature=youtu.be)

Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 01:13:31 am
BNO News
@BNONews
·
1m
Syria's state-run news agency says U.S. planes have been spotted over eastern Syria; unknown if linked to Iran crisis
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 01:14:32 am
LIVE Breaking News
@NewsBreaking
·
8m
BREAKING: Iranian state TV warns other countries in region not to assist the U.S. military - NBC News
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: libertybele on January 08, 2020, 01:14:41 am
 9999hair out0000 888mouth

Provocations from the administration’: Pelosi blasts Trump after Iranian attacks


Nancy Pelosi
✔
@SpeakerPelosi

Closely monitoring the situation following bombings targeting U.S. troops in Iraq. We must ensure the safety of our servicemembers, including ending needless provocations from the Administration and demanding that Iran cease its violence. America & world cannot afford war.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/provocations-from-the-administration-pelosi-blasts-trump-after-iranian-attacks (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/provocations-from-the-administration-pelosi-blasts-trump-after-iranian-attacks)
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 01:15:02 am
thebradfordfileâ„¢
@thebradfordfile
·
53m
Does anyone know if John Kerry is in Iran this week?

Asking for a friend.



 :silly:
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: XenaLee on January 08, 2020, 01:17:20 am
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iKuMVqht4U#)
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 01:17:47 am
LIVE Breaking News
@NewsBreaking
·
1m
BREAKING: State Media reporting Iranian jets have entered Iraqi airspace - NBC News
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 01:19:03 am
paul mcleary
@paulmcleary
·
4m
The USS Truman aircraft carrier is in the North Arabian Sea, with two destroyers, USS Lassen and USS Farragut, capable of firing Tomahawk missiles.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: catfish1957 on January 08, 2020, 01:19:19 am
9999hair out0000 888mouth

Provocations from the administration’: Pelosi blasts Trump after Iranian attacks


Nancy Pelosi
✔
@SpeakerPelosi

Closely monitoring the situation following bombings targeting U.S. troops in Iraq. We must ensure the safety of our servicemembers, including ending needless provocations from the Administration and demanding that Iran cease its violence. America & world cannot afford war.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/provocations-from-the-administration-pelosi-blasts-trump-after-iranian-attacks (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/provocations-from-the-administration-pelosi-blasts-trump-after-iranian-attacks)

TREASON!!!!!
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: libertybele on January 08, 2020, 01:20:14 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENuEw9_XsAEDTKN.jpg)
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: EdinVA on January 08, 2020, 01:20:19 am
LIVE Breaking News
@NewsBreaking
·
1m
BREAKING: State Media reporting Iranian jets have entered Iraqi airspace - NBC News
They better be carrying their own scrap metal buckets...
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 01:23:03 am
LIVE Breaking News
@NewsBreaking
·
2m
BREAKING: Helicopters are right now circling over Baghdad's Green Zone - WaPo
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 01:23:46 am
Shannon Bream
@ShannonBream
·
2m
Like millions of you out there, there are people I love serving in uniform at this moment.  Let's pray for them and their leadership - for wisdom and safety.  And let's pray for their loved ones, who serve right along with them on nights like this
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: skeeter on January 08, 2020, 01:24:11 am
9999hair out0000 888mouth

Provocations from the administration’: Pelosi blasts Trump after Iranian attacks


Nancy Pelosi
✔
@SpeakerPelosi

Closely monitoring the situation following bombings targeting U.S. troops in Iraq. We must ensure the safety of our servicemembers, including ending needless provocations from the Administration and demanding that Iran cease its violence. America & world cannot afford war.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/provocations-from-the-administration-pelosi-blasts-trump-after-iranian-attacks (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/provocations-from-the-administration-pelosi-blasts-trump-after-iranian-attacks)

What a pretentious *sshole this woman is.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 01:26:27 am
Shannon Bream
@ShannonBream
·
2m
Like millions of you out there, there are people I love serving in uniform at this moment.  Let's pray for them and their leadership - for wisdom and safety.  And let's pray for their loved ones, who serve right along with them on nights like this
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Wingnut on January 08, 2020, 01:26:32 am
9999hair out0000 888mouth

Provocations from the administration’: Pelosi blasts Trump after Iranian attacks


Nancy Pelosi
✔
@SpeakerPelosi

Closely monitoring the situation following bombings targeting U.S. troops in Iraq. We must ensure the safety of our servicemembers, including ending needless provocations from the Administration and demanding that Iran cease its violence. America & world cannot afford war.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/provocations-from-the-administration-pelosi-blasts-trump-after-iranian-attacks (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/provocations-from-the-administration-pelosi-blasts-trump-after-iranian-attacks)

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was huddling with Democratic colleagues when she was alerted of the missile attack on an Iraqi base that hosts U.S. troops.

The California Democrat was participating in a closed-door meeting with the Democratic caucus Tuesday evening when she received a note that said Vice President Mike Pence was on the phone.

“Tell him I’ll call him back,” Pelosi said
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 01:27:00 am
Rep. Eric Swalwell
@RepSwalwell
·
1h
Pray for America’s troops and personnel serving in Iraq. They do not deserve to run for their lives against a rain of missiles.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Wingnut on January 08, 2020, 01:27:35 am
What a pretentious *sshole this woman is.

A c unt in the true sense of the word.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 01:27:49 am
Ben Rhodes
@brhodes
·
13m
There is still de-escalation as an available option. This war will not end well for anyone otherwise.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 01:28:23 am
Ragıp Soylu
@ragipsoylu
 Â· 11m
Iran UPDATE:

• Two US airbases in Iraq hit by Iranian missiles, one is hit by rockets
• Iraqi casualties only, US aircraft damaged 
• Iranian airforce is deployed
• National Security meeting is underway at the White House
• Trump to address nation from Oval Office
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Wingnut on January 08, 2020, 01:30:41 am
Went to a mosque, gonna throw some rocks
Tell the Ayatollah, "Gonna put you in a box!"
Bomb Iran. Bomb, bomb, bomb
Bomb Iran...
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 01:31:26 am
LIVE Breaking News
@NewsBreaking
·
1m
NOW: Iranian military claims that wounded at least 30 U.S. soldiers in Iraq. U.S. government says they have zero confirmed casualties of U.S. forces at this time.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 01:33:22 am
John Price
@JPrice02
·
3m
Watching @chrislhayes
 and @HardballChris
 become apologists for a terrorist and the dictatorial regime that he served is sad. There was a time when politics did not matter to the national media & here it seems that Orange Man Bad (which he is) is more important than anything else.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Wingnut on January 08, 2020, 01:33:38 am
LIVE Breaking News
@NewsBreaking
·
1m
NOW: Iranian military claims that wounded at least 30 U.S. soldiers in Iraq. U.S. government says they have zero confirmed casualties of U.S. forces at this time.

Shades of Baghdad Bob.

Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 01:34:35 am
BNO News
@BNONews
·
48s
BREAKING: U.S. FAA bans all civilian flights over Iran, Iraq, the Persian Gulf, and the Gulf of Oman "due to heightened military activities" and the "potential for miscalculation or mis-identification"
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 01:35:31 am
LIVE Breaking News
@NewsBreaking
·
1m
BREAKING: POTUS is NOT going to give an address tonight - NYT
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 01:35:58 am
Charlie Kirk
@charliekirk11
·
2m
Nancy Pelosi claimed she was "closely monitoring" the situation in Iraq

This was after VP Pence called her to brief her on what was happening & she ignored the call

In reality:

Instead of closely monitoring the situation, Pelosi was at a restaurant grand opening

Shameful.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: skeeter on January 08, 2020, 01:36:04 am
Ben Rhodes
@brhodes
·
13m
There is still de-escalation as an available option. This war will not end well for anyone otherwise.

Something tells me there will be a retaliation Ben, old boy. Maybe we'll talk about de-escalation afterwards.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 01:37:40 am
Josh Dawsey
@jdawsey1
·
4m
Press Secretary Stephanie Grisham says a minute ago that POTUS will NOT address nation tonight.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: libertybele on January 08, 2020, 01:39:26 am
Josh Dawsey
@jdawsey1
·
4m
Press Secretary Stephanie Grisham says a minute ago that POTUS will NOT address nation tonight.

Obviously he has other things to tend to.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 01:40:42 am
LIVE Breaking News
@NewsBreaking
·
1m
BREAKING: U.S. Defense Secretary Esper, Secretary of State Pompeo and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Miller have all left the White House - CNN
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 08, 2020, 01:41:32 am
 :2popcorn:

Oh well...I guess we picked a bad night to have our Precinct Committeeman hearing.  Just got here.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: austingirl on January 08, 2020, 01:41:58 am
I'd like to hear about some cruise missiles from our Navy shooting down Iranian planes.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: sneakypete on January 08, 2020, 01:42:20 am
Went to a mosque, gonna throw some rocks
Tell the Ayatollah, "Gonna put you in a box!"
Bomb Iran. Bomb, bomb, bomb
Bomb Iran...

@Wingnut

Catchy,got a  good beat. I'll give it a 10,Dick!
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Wingnut on January 08, 2020, 01:42:36 am
The sun is about to come up in Iran.   What is it 7am or so.   
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: austingirl on January 08, 2020, 01:43:17 am
Charlie Kirk
@charliekirk11
·
2m
Nancy Pelosi claimed she was "closely monitoring" the situation in Iraq

This was after VP Pence called her to brief her on what was happening & she ignored the call

In reality:

Instead of closely monitoring the situation, Pelosi was at a restaurant grand opening

Shameful.

She is an evil b!tch.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 01:43:20 am
LIVE Breaking News
@NewsBreaking
·
1m
BREAKING: Iran says it will escalate if attacked by the U.S., or stop if there is no U.S. response - NBC News
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Wingnut on January 08, 2020, 01:43:29 am
@Wingnut

Catchy,got a  good beat. I'll give it a 10,Dick!

 :yowsa:
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: sneakypete on January 08, 2020, 01:43:58 am
John Price
@JPrice02
·
3m
Watching @chrislhayes
 and @HardballChris
 become apologists for a terrorist and the dictatorial regime that he served is sad. There was a time when politics did not matter to the national media & here it seems that Orange Man Bad (which he is) is more important than anything else.

It's been a long time,though. Remember that treasonous bastard Walter Cronkite taking the side of the NVA?
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: austingirl on January 08, 2020, 01:44:22 am
The sun is about to come up in Iran.   What is it 7am or so.   


I think it's around 5 am. Not light yet.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Wingnut on January 08, 2020, 01:45:27 am
LIVE Breaking News
@NewsBreaking
·
1m
BREAKING: Iran says it will escalate if attacked by the U.S., or stop if there is no U.S. response - NBC News

I'll take Iran, you screwed the pooch for 1000 Alex.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 01:45:38 am
LIVE Breaking News
@NewsBreaking
·
1m
BREAKING: Iran says none of their ballistic missiles were intercepted, and that they all hit their targets - NBC News
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: skeeter on January 08, 2020, 01:46:41 am
LIVE Breaking News
@NewsBreaking
·
1m
BREAKING: Iran says none of their ballistic missiles were intercepted, and that they all hit their targets - NBC News

Amazingly Iran has all these facts even before those at the actual impact site can take stock.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Wingnut on January 08, 2020, 01:46:48 am


I think it's around 5 am. Not light yet.

Nice. there is still time.   I love the smell of napalm in the morning.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 01:48:42 am
Joyce Karam
@Joyce_Karam
·
7m
BREAKING: NO US Casualties in #Iran’s Attacks in #Iraq. Trump will NOT give address.

This is Good News if you’re looking for Deescalation
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 01:51:26 am
Raman Ghavami
@Raman_Ghavami
·
5m
This whole missile attacks look like a face saving operation. Pentagon says no US casualties but Iran claims 30 US soldiers died.
IRGC claims tens of missiles were launched but US says only 12.
No videos of launching missiles from Iran, no one has even heard about it inside Iran.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 01:52:46 am
I just wonder if this is a face saving operation to avert an escalation....yes I am a cynic.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: kevindavis007 on January 08, 2020, 01:52:53 am
Raman Ghavami
@Raman_Ghavami
·
5m
This whole missile attacks look like a face saving operation. Pentagon says no US casualties but Iran claims 30 US soldiers died.
IRGC claims tens of missiles were launched but US says only 12.
No videos of launching missiles from Iran, no one has even heard about it inside Iran.


So this is a nothing burger
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: sneakypete on January 08, 2020, 01:53:52 am
LIVE Breaking News
@NewsBreaking
·
1m
BREAKING: Iran says none of their ballistic missiles were intercepted, and that they all hit their targets - NBC News

Gee,THERE is a surprise!
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: kevindavis007 on January 08, 2020, 01:53:59 am
I just wonder if this is a face saving operation to avert an escalation....yes I am a cynic.


Face saving for whom?
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 01:54:03 am
Matt Couch
🎙
@RealMattCouch
·
35s
BREAKING: Iranian Fighter Jets Have Entered Iraqi Air Space per sources.

Developing...



...been saying that for the last 30mins
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: sneakypete on January 08, 2020, 01:56:32 am
Matt Couch
🎙
@RealMattCouch
·
35s
BREAKING: Iranian Fighter Jets Have Entered Iraqi Air Space per sources.

Developing...



...been saying that for the last 30mins

Maybe they are flying slow to preserve fuel?

After all,they are about to lose all their refineries.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 01:57:37 am

Face saving for whom?

for Iran
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: kevindavis007 on January 08, 2020, 01:58:25 am
for Iran


Bingo...
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Wingnut on January 08, 2020, 01:58:27 am
I know it's fun to talk about World War III, the return of the draft, endless war, wag the dog, and other exciting, boredom-killing memes that anti-Trump hysterics are trying to push.   And then I think about how Obama made this all possible. 
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 01:58:55 am
Dan McLaughlin
@baseballcrank
·
3m
IF this is all they do & all they accomplished, Trump would be wise to leave off there. Iran needed to save face.

IF.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: kevindavis007 on January 08, 2020, 02:01:09 am
Dan McLaughlin
@baseballcrank
·
3m
IF this is all they do & all they accomplished, Trump would be wise to leave off there. Iran needed to save face.

IF.


If there are no deaths then fine. If there are deaths, respond.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: austingirl on January 08, 2020, 02:02:35 am
Amazingly Iran has all these facts even before those at the actual impact site can take stock.

And their media arm NBC is reporting their propaganda.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Wingnut on January 08, 2020, 02:03:54 am

If there are no deaths then fine. If there are deaths, respond.

We have a bunch of bombs with upcoming expiration dates.  We need to use them or lose them.  I say we use them as a cost saving measure.   War is all about economics. 
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 08, 2020, 02:04:35 am
Marco Rubio
@marcorubio
·
26m
Be aware that we are experiencing a stunning volume of troll & disinformation activity on twitter.

We are witnessing coordinated informational warfare regarding #Iranattack spreading false information designed to create confusion & division.

-------------------

Says people are trolling twitter with misinformation, probably.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 02:04:57 am
Stephen Miller
@redsteeze
·
2m
The way to bring this country together is to strap Harvey Weinstein to a MOAB and launch it into Iran.


 :silly:
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: skeeter on January 08, 2020, 02:05:39 am
Dan McLaughlin
@baseballcrank
·
3m
IF this is all they do & all they accomplished, Trump would be wise to leave off there. Iran needed to save face.

IF.

Iran sponsored the IED strategy that took the lives of dozens of US soldiers, took US sailors prisoner and used them for propaganda and bombed a Saudi oil refinery with no consequence.

Bugger all their need to save face.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: austingirl on January 08, 2020, 02:08:24 am
Iran sponsored the IED strategy that took the lives of dozens of US soldiers, took US sailors prisoner and used them for propaganda and bombed a Saudi oil refinery with no consequence.

Bugger all their need to save face.

Interesting that so many people feel they are advisers to the CIC.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: libertybele on January 08, 2020, 02:08:27 am

So this is a nothing burger

??I guess if you see it that way.  Major networks have reported missiles fired at U.S. troops -- to me it doesn't matter if casualties the imminent threat is certainly there.  The Sec of State and Sec of Defense just met with the President .... I'd say things are just getting started. Iran has also threatened anyone who helps the U.S., including Israel. 
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 02:09:03 am
Matt Couch
🎙
@RealMattCouch
BREAKING: Iran is saying that if there is no retaliation from America for these latest attacks then they will stop attacking. But if America attacks then their response will be crushing and wide spread.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: 240B on January 08, 2020, 02:09:09 am
it was dark
it was cold
i could see him
tehran does matter
go hide away like a little mole
I know
I will find you. And I will satiate my appetite.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: skeeter on January 08, 2020, 02:10:59 am
Interesting that so many people feel they are advisers to the CIC.

The largest sponsor of global terrorism cannot be allowed to fire missiles and violate airspace of another sovereign nation at will. Those are acts of war requiring a forceful response. Just IMO.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: kevindavis007 on January 08, 2020, 02:11:10 am

@JordanSchachtel
·
19m
First pass on today's events: No casualties means 0 escalation. Ceremonial attack, w/ Iran using primitive missiles & disinfo to rally Tehran.

We neutralized Soleimani, their most revered mil. leader.

After all the tough talk, Iran blinked.

Big win for POTUS foreign policy.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 08, 2020, 02:11:20 am
Matt Couch
🎙
@RealMattCouch
BREAKING: Iran is saying that if there is no retaliation from America for these latest attacks then they will stop attacking. But if America attacks then their response will be crushing and wide spread.

That's pretty important, someone here said this earlier or posted such a tweet.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Wingnut on January 08, 2020, 02:11:30 am
Matt Couch
🎙
@RealMattCouch
BREAKING: Iran is saying that if there is no retaliation from America for these latest attacks then they will stop attacking. But if America attacks then their response will be crushing and wide spread.

So this is bomb diplomacy? 
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 02:12:08 am
per Fox...missile strikes are over...no US casualities
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 08, 2020, 02:12:49 am
So this is bomb diplomacy?

Bread and Circuses.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 02:13:12 am
So this is bomb diplomacy?

Geeeez...I don't know but wouldn't be surprised..
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 02:13:49 am
Jeff Dunetz
@yidwithlid
·
4m
One MOAB with Weinstein, Second with Michael Moore
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 02:14:53 am
Mark Dubowitz
@mdubowitz
·
14m
Is it plausible that this could be the extent of the supreme leader’s retaliation, He said he would attack military directly. He seems to have done that.

If no US casualties, is the smart play not to respond and wait to see what else they do?
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: libertybele on January 08, 2020, 02:15:06 am
Matt Couch
🎙
@RealMattCouch
BREAKING: Iran is saying that if there is no retaliation from America for these latest attacks then they will stop attacking. But if America attacks then their response will be crushing and wide spread.

Whew ... good to know that Iran is so trustworthy and such a peaceful nation.  *****rollingeyes*****   With the report of the Sec. of State and Sec. Def. just meeting with Trump, I just don't see Trump walking away at this juncture. He didn't deploy additional troops including 4,000 marines to the area just for the heck of ii -- show of strength and preparedness perhaps
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Wingnut on January 08, 2020, 02:15:17 am
Bread and Circuses.

Geeeez...I don't know but wouldn't be surprised..

I hope Trump doesn't play that game!   :)
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: skeeter on January 08, 2020, 02:15:42 am
That's pretty important, someone here said this earlier or posted such a tweet.

Thats a neat strategy - I'll stop shooting at you if you don't shoot back. If you shoot back I'll shoot at you some more.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 08, 2020, 02:16:16 am
I hope Trump doesn't play that game!   :)

Time for more beer.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: austingirl on January 08, 2020, 02:17:04 am
The largest sponsor of global terrorism cannot be allowed to fire missiles and violate airspace of another sovereign nation at will. Those are acts of war requiring a forceful response. Just IMO.
@skeeter
I should clarify. I was addressing the tweets from those who want Trump to back off, not you. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I agree with you!
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 02:17:52 am
Brit Hume
@brithume
·
11m
.@BretBaier
 notes that the Iranian missile attack did not target either the largest base housing U.S. forces nor the one closest to Iran.


I think Iran missed on purpose...more of a face saving attack...trying to de-escalate the situation.

Trump's team has left the WH so I am assuming no response from US tonight?
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: kevindavis007 on January 08, 2020, 02:19:01 am
I wonder if Iran was a playing a game of chicken with Trump?
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: skeeter on January 08, 2020, 02:19:15 am
@skeeter
I should clarify. I was addressing the tweets from those who want Trump to back off, not you. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I agree with you!
Oh I know. All good!
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 08, 2020, 02:19:33 am
This calls for Scotch.

Mmmmm  :pondering:

Bourbon with the brew.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: sneakypete on January 08, 2020, 02:20:24 am
Dan McLaughlin
@baseballcrank
·
3m
IF this is all they do & all they accomplished, Trump would be wise to leave off there. Iran needed to save face.

IF.

Yup,because if there is one thing that will insure your enemy will never attack you again,it is to make is appear like you caved because you are afraid of them.

Good call!
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: libertybele on January 08, 2020, 02:20:31 am
I wonder if Iran was a playing a game of chicken with Trump?

If so, they've chosen the wrong person to play that game with. Trump has proven to usually be one step ahead.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: austingirl on January 08, 2020, 02:20:46 am
Brit Hume
@brithume
·
11m
.@BretBaier
 notes that the Iranian missile attack did not target either the largest base housing U.S. forces nor the one closest to Iran.


I think Iran missed on purpose...more of a face saving attack...trying to de-escalate the situation.

Trump's team has left the WH so I am assuming no response from US tonight?

Dear Lord! Bret Baier thinks launching missiles is DE-ESCALATION. Wow!
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Wingnut on January 08, 2020, 02:21:53 am
Time for more beer.

I said to the wife at the local Dew Drop Inn the other night,  I wonder were all the A-!0 crews went in the past few days....
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: sneakypete on January 08, 2020, 02:21:57 am
We have a bunch of bombs with upcoming expiration dates.  We need to use them or lose them.  I say we use them as a cost saving measure.   War is all about economics.

@Wingnut

Works for me.

Anybody else familiar with the old saying,"If you don't want to get bit,don't be bleeping with the dog!"
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: sneakypete on January 08, 2020, 02:22:42 am
Marco Rubio
@marcorubio
·
26m
Be aware that we are experiencing a stunning volume of troll & disinformation activity on twitter.

We are witnessing coordinated informational warfare regarding #Iranattack spreading false information designed to create confusion & division.

-------------------

Says people are trolling twitter with misinformation, probably.

Twitter is for twits.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 02:25:24 am
MARK SIMONE
@MarkSimoneNY
·
4m
Looks like Iran's attack tonight was relatively harmless and just a face saving measure. Their cruise missiles in the oil field attacks were fired with pinpoint accuracy. Tonight they fired 15 missiles without doing any real damage. 


That's what I've been saying....now what will Trump do..
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: skeeter on January 08, 2020, 02:25:47 am
Dear Lord! Bret Baier thinks launching missiles is DE-ESCALATION. Wow!

This will be welcome news to the xx Iraqis killed in the attack.

Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 08, 2020, 02:27:02 am
This will be welcome news to the xx Iraqis killed in the attack.

That's what I think too.  What are they, chopped liver?  I mean, besides literally.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 02:27:11 am
Dear Lord! Bret Baier thinks launching missiles is DE-ESCALATION. Wow!

Quote
I think Iran missed on purpose...more of a face saving attack...trying to de-escalate the situation.

Trump's team has left the WH so I am assuming no response from US tonight?

that was my response not Bret's
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 08, 2020, 02:28:05 am
that was my response not Bret's

Maybe italicize the Tweet?
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 08, 2020, 02:28:06 am
I was on twitter minutes ago, I did see some of that "disinformation" out there, making this thing out to be bad for us.  I won't relay it, maybe their press is saying different.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 02:28:41 am
BNO News
@BNONews
·
28s
U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham calls Iranian missile attack an "act of war," says Trump has "all the authority he needs" to respond



 9999hair out0000
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 02:29:52 am
Maybe italicize the Tweet?

yeah..my fault for the confusion...
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Wingnut on January 08, 2020, 02:30:40 am
Lets fire 50 missiles that don't hit anything so we (the US) can save face, no one ever said.

Look...if You launch a missile at the USA you better be damn ready to take a return one directly up your ass.   Who are these ass hole tweeters talking about "saving face"  Mussies don't save face.  They exploit weakness.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 08, 2020, 02:31:51 am
Lets fire 50 missiles that don't hit anything so we (the US) can save face, no one ever said.

Look...if You launch a missile at the USA you better be damn ready to take a return one shot up your ass.   Who are these ass hole tweeters talking about "saving face"  Mussies don't save face.  They exploit weakness.

They have Asian's confused with Moslems.  They all look alike, to Rats. yogi555
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Lando Lincoln on January 08, 2020, 02:32:55 am
Lets fire 50 missiles that don't hit anything so we (the US) can save face, no one ever said.

Look...if You launch a missile at the USA you better be damn ready to take a return one directly up your ass.   Who are these ass hole tweeters talking about "saving face"  Mussies don't save face.  They exploit weakness.

Well, Bill Clinton hit an aspirin factory.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: EdinVA on January 08, 2020, 02:33:20 am


Keep in mind that those b-52's are about 6 hours away from iran.....
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 02:34:24 am
Charlie Kirk
@charliekirk11
·
2m
Maybe the 1.5 BILLION in cash Obama gave Iran helped pay for the missiles they shot at Americans tonight

🤔
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: libertybele on January 08, 2020, 02:34:25 am
MARK SIMONE
@MarkSimoneNY
·
4m
Looks like Iran's attack tonight was relatively harmless and just a face saving measure. Their cruise missiles in the oil field attacks were fired with pinpoint accuracy. Tonight they fired 15 missiles without doing any real damage. 


That's what I've been saying....now what will Trump do..

Face saving?  Perhaps or -- they're showing that they have the ability to fire with pinpoint accuracy -- these were warning shots not only to the U.S. but to others in the region.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: austingirl on January 08, 2020, 02:34:27 am
Lets fire 50 missiles that don't hit anything so we (the US) can save face, no one ever said.

Look...if You launch a missile at the USA you better be damn ready to take a return one directly up your ass.   Who are these ass hole tweeters talking about "saving face"  Mussies don't save face.  They exploit weakness.

The saving face meme is big tonight. I find it absurd, giving cover to the Iranians who chant Death to America every damn day.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Wingnut on January 08, 2020, 02:35:19 am
Well, Bill Clinton hit an aspirin factory.

Baby formula....  but I hear you white powered is white powder.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: 240B on January 08, 2020, 02:35:47 am
We could take Iran in two seconds.
They are a puppet government controlled by 7TH Century religion.
Yes Gods control us
Yes Gods are Real!
I don't think i'll kill myself tomorrow (for a GOD?)
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 02:36:21 am
Zeke Miller
@ZekeJMiller
·
17m
APNEWSALERT: (AP) -- US official: Very few if any casualties from Iranian attack on sites in Iraq.


good news
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 08, 2020, 02:36:32 am

Keep in mind that those b-52's are about 6 hours away from iran.....

We'd be crazy to run the B-52's without wiping out the air defenses first.  BUFFs are sitting ducks with the defenses Iran has.  And...for all I know that's already been accomplished.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 08, 2020, 02:38:46 am
Zeke Miller
@ZekeJMiller
·
17m
APNEWSALERT: (AP) -- US official: Very few if any casualties from Iranian attack on sites in Iraq.


good news

Yes, it is.  Let's see how Iran reacts when Trump laughs at them in Tweets tomorrow.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Wingnut on January 08, 2020, 02:38:49 am
We'd be crazy to run the B-52's without wiping out the air defenses first.  BUFFs are sitting ducks with the defenses Iran has.  And...for all I know that's already been accomplished.

The new BUFFS are not the old Buffs.  These things have mad skills.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 02:39:17 am
The saving face meme is big tonight. I find it absurd, giving cover to the Iranians who chant Death to America every damn day.

Yes it is..they all want Trump to stop the escalation, but who started it, Iran did

I am anxious to see what Trump does now..
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 08, 2020, 02:39:48 am
Quote
Larry Elder
@larryelder
#IranAttacks
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENuT0PlUwAI1aY3?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/larryelder/status/1214727052957372422

For humors sake, I would be boisterous or in good humor though, this is all very serious.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 08, 2020, 02:40:27 am
The new BUFFS are not the old Buffs.  These things have mad skills.

And Iran has state of the art stuff from Russia.  :shrug:
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 02:40:45 am
Ned Ryun
@nedryun
·
20m
This was a face saving move by Iranian regime. Nothing more.


(http://for example)
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 02:41:43 am
BNO News
@BNONews
·
1m
Iran's foreign minister says Iran carried out "proportionate measures in self-defense" to target base from which U.S. airstrike was launched, says Iran does not seek escalation or war but will defend itself against any aggression
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 08, 2020, 02:42:00 am
Ned Ryun
@nedryun
·
20m
This was a face saving move by Iranian regime. Nothing more.


(http://for example)

They need to have their face slapped off, not saved.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 02:42:18 am
LIVE Breaking News
@NewsBreaking
·
2m
NEWS BREAKING ALERT: Five Iraqi soldiers have been injured in the Iranian missile attack
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Wingnut on January 08, 2020, 02:42:18 am
Ned Ryun
@nedryun
·
20m
This was a face saving move by Iranian regime. Nothing more.


(http://for example)

The talking points are coming fast.   The MSN will be hitting that hard
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: sneakypete on January 08, 2020, 02:43:06 am
Baby formula....  but I hear you white powered is white powder.

@Wingnut

We can only imagine the horror Bubba faced after being told he had blown up a white powder factory.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 02:43:44 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENsszmVW4AA-ubR?format=jpg&name=small)

Remember
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 08, 2020, 02:43:57 am
Was this tonight?  Looks like December 26th and near Qatar but still interesting, lifted from Drudge.

Quote
DAWN OF EVIL Incredible ‘red devil horns’ sunrise photos captured during rare solar eclipse mirage over the Persian Gulf

    Alahna Kindred

    8 Jan 2020, 0:57Updated: 8 Jan 2020, 1:42

THESE incredible images appear to show giant devil horns rising over the Persian Gulf during a solar eclipse.

A photographer waited in just the right place to snap the rare spectacle as the sun was partially blocked by the moon at dawn.

(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/NINTCHDBPICT000552472816.jpg?w=620)
Elias Chasiotis captured the stunning sequence of the sunrise in QatarCredit: Elias Chasiotis

More: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10694515/red-devil-horns-sunrise-photos-captured-rare-solar-eclipse-mirage/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10694515/red-devil-horns-sunrise-photos-captured-rare-solar-eclipse-mirage/)



Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Wingnut on January 08, 2020, 02:44:09 am
And Iran has state of the art stuff from Russia.  :shrug:

 :cool:
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on January 08, 2020, 02:44:29 am
Heh

Heh

Heh

Look who just backed down:

https://twitter.com/JZarif/status/1214736614217469953?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: skeeter on January 08, 2020, 02:44:33 am
The talking points are coming fast.   The MSN will be hitting that hard

Meant to put Trump's &^% in a wringer, nothing more.

He retaliates, he's unnecessarily provoking Iran.
He doesn't retaliate, Iran ate his lunch.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 02:44:55 am
Kurt Schlichter
@KurtSchlichter
·
49s
I am on America’s side against Iran and hope America is victorious.

No leading Democrat will say that.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Wingnut on January 08, 2020, 02:45:33 am
@Wingnut

We can only imagine the horror Bubba faced after being told he had blown up a white powder factory.

Hunter Biden was devastated.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 02:46:01 am
Noah Pollak
@NoahPollak
·
1m
These guys went from "Death to America!" rallies to "We do not seek escalation or war" inside of 24 hours.


exactly
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 08, 2020, 02:46:44 am
David French
@DavidAFrench
·
8m
Again, if this good news holds, we're in much better shape than some of the early reporting indicated. Early reports indicated a much broader attack.

----------

David French
@DavidAFrench
·
10m
As night wears on -- and if this good news holds -- there is a strong need for U.S. restraint. A missile strike from Iran is serious, but the small size of the attack looks more like saving face than an attempt at serious escalation. Press pause.

------------

O0ps, there's that face-saving expression again.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: austingirl on January 08, 2020, 02:46:53 am
Yes it is..they all want Trump to stop the escalation, but who started it, Iran did

I am anxious to see what Trump does now..

I'm glad he's apparently taking his time to decide.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Lando Lincoln on January 08, 2020, 02:47:06 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENsszmVW4AA-ubR?format=jpg&name=small)

Remember

Exactly what I said to Mrs. Lando earlier.  This is not a one-off thing.  The MSM, pundits, and liberal left will try their damnedest to make it so but it is not. 
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 08, 2020, 02:48:02 am
@TomSea

IIRC,there were USMC guards at the gate,and besides their standard rifles,there was a 50 caliber M-2 there.

The problem was a lack of experience (being polite) by the senior man at the gate due to the Rules of Engagement laid out by the senior Jarhead,who didn't want anything to happen that he could be blamed for,and harm his career.

For those of you who don't know,in the military the "Rules of Engagement" can vary wildly from one duty post to another,but are USUALLY used as a guideline for when NOT to shoot,and any Marine or soldier who violates the rules of engagement can be arrested and charged with murder if he or she kills someone. Even if they don't kill anyone they can be court-martialed for a whole series of infractions.

Usually this means the guards might as well be asleep because they won't even shoot if shot at unless some officer gives them the ok,and officers are generally scarce on the ground around gates/check points. Make the right decisions,you are a hero. Make the wrong decision,and you will be put on trial for murder.

IF the senior man on duty,who may well have been a 20 year old Corporal with NO experience other than theoretical,and you can't really blame him for not lighting up the truck with the 50 cal. Especially if you take into consideration that these were the VERY "early days"  of Islamic aggression this time around. Yeah,they were guards,but they didn't really have the mindset you would see on guards guarding a gate in the Muddle East today. Today's guards WILL light your ass UP! if you seem to be crashing the gate. We are not as innocent today as we used to be.

Thanks for the full explanation.  @sneakypete  :hattip:
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: kevindavis007 on January 08, 2020, 02:48:18 am
The more I think about it, I think we should wait and see before we praise Trump for not doing anything. They know more than we do.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Wingnut on January 08, 2020, 02:48:49 am
Heh

Heh

Heh

Look who just backed down:

https://twitter.com/JZarif/status/1214736614217469953?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Iran took & concluded proportionate measures in self-defense under Article 51 of UN Charter targeting base from which cowardly armed attack against our citizens & senior officials were launched.

Ha HA.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: austingirl on January 08, 2020, 02:48:54 am
Ned Ryun
@nedryun
·
20m
This was a face saving move by Iranian regime. Nothing more.


(http://for example)

More face saving! How did this joker determine this with such certitude?
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 02:49:30 am
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
 Â· 3m
All is well! Missiles launched from Iran at two military bases located in Iraq. Assessment of casualties & damages taking place now. So far, so good! We have the most powerful and well equipped military anywhere in the world, by far! I will be making a statement tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: austingirl on January 08, 2020, 02:50:13 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENsszmVW4AA-ubR?format=jpg&name=small)

Remember

I sure do! Damn the Iranians and Zero.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 02:51:18 am
Matt Walsh
@MattWalshBlog
·
26s
Great tone, great response. Keep this up Mr. President. Take the win.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 08, 2020, 02:52:02 am
I'm not comfortable with anyone who  uses IEDs and can use guerilla warfare but, maybe after this build up, there can finally be a meeting of cooler heads but I wouldn't bet on it.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: skeeter on January 08, 2020, 02:52:04 am
The more I think about it, I think we should wait and see before we praise Trump for not doing anything. They know more than we do.

Trump should accept the 'de-escalation' line from the Iranian government.

Then quietly begin providing arms and support to anti-government Iranian groups.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: kevindavis007 on January 08, 2020, 02:52:31 am
Heh

Heh

Heh

Look who just backed down:

https://twitter.com/JZarif/status/1214736614217469953?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet (https://twitter.com/JZarif/status/1214736614217469953?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet)


They want the UN do something. Never mind the following:
1. We give most of the $$$$ to the UN (We should stop it)
2. The UN can't do s**t.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 02:52:55 am
wow


Bette Midler
@BetteMidler
·
22s
This tap on the wrist?  Does the word "feint" mean anything to you? Or do you actually think this is the end of it??  Iran is thousands of years old & was the first empire in history; surviving because because they are cunning, crafty, & have lots of what we do not.  Patience.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: kevindavis007 on January 08, 2020, 02:53:32 am
Trump should accept the 'de-escalation' line from the Iranian government.

Then quietly begin providing arms and support to anti-government Iranian groups.


I'm with you on that part provided there are conditions.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: catfish1957 on January 08, 2020, 02:56:00 am
I'm not comfortable with anyone who  uses IEDs and can use guerilla warfare but, maybe after this build up, there can finally be a meeting of cooler heads but I wouldn't bet on it.

Night gave me memories of 2003.   I am thankful if this thing has de-escalated. 
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 02:57:54 am
Mike Cernovich
@Cernovich
·
37s
Iranians are competent at information warfare, they would have good photos / videos ready to go if their missile strike was awesome.

Their missile attack asw probably some shitty little Katyusha rockets.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on January 08, 2020, 02:58:58 am
Poor Bette Midler -- really hoping for more dead Americans.

I say Lindsey Graham on TV.  Said "I just got off the phone with the President, and I have a message for the people of Iran. Your economy is in your hands. If you don't stop this crap, you're not going to have an oil industry."

Iran was backed into a corner -- responding more forcefully to our attack would have put them in an unwinnable situation, so they did this missile attack and will claim victory.  Let them -- the entire rest of the world knows that we took out Soleimani, and Iran backed down.

Huge win for the U.S.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: bigheadfred on January 08, 2020, 02:59:29 am
wow


Bette Midler
@BetteMidler
·
22s
This tap on the wrist?  Does the word "feint" mean anything to you? Or do you actually think this is the end of it??  Iran is thousands of years old & was the first empire in history; surviving because because they are cunning, crafty, & have lots of what we do not.  Patience.

Holiday Inns have internet???
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 02:59:35 am
The Associated Press
@AP
·
2m
Qassem Soleimani has been buried, shortly after Iran launched missile strikes targeting bases in Iraq housing U.S. troops to avenge the Revolutionary Guard general's death.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: libertybele on January 08, 2020, 03:00:55 am
Trump should accept the 'de-escalation' line from the Iranian government.

Then quietly begin providing arms and support to anti-government Iranian groups.

Iran has proven that they cannot be trusted. Trump may have good intent at this point, but do you really think they do? Doubtful Trump killed their top commander.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: sneakypete on January 08, 2020, 03:02:00 am
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
 Â· 3m
All is well! Missiles launched from Iran at two military bases located in Iraq. Assessment of casualties & damages taking place now. So far, so good! We have the most powerful and well equipped military anywhere in the world, by far! I will be making a statement tomorrow morning.

@realDonaldTrump

Mr.President,may I suggest having the leader of Iraq dress up as a woman and sing "I feel pretty,oh so pretty" in full drag makeup in front of tv cameras?
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Wingnut on January 08, 2020, 03:02:17 am
Holiday Inns have internet???

Bette Midler was kidnapped by K-mart.   And they went bankrupt.   
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: txradioguy on January 08, 2020, 03:04:23 am
Mike Cernovich
@Cernovich
·
37s
Iranians are competent at information warfare, they would have good photos / videos ready to go if their missile strike was awesome.

Their missile attack asw probably some shitty little Katyusha rockets.

Some of them...at least 12 were the ballistic missiles they've been building.  I'm sure my friends across the road inside Cheyenne Mountain had a busy day/night.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: austingirl on January 08, 2020, 03:05:09 am
Dan Bongino asked if we really believe that the mullahs who acted like Neanderthals for decades were saving face. They've never acted like that is the past.

No, Dan, I don't think they were saving face. They don't know what the term means being the death cult they are.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: txradioguy on January 08, 2020, 03:07:48 am
Quote
Javad Zarif
@JZarif
Iran took & concluded proportionate measures in self-defense under Article 51 of UN Charter targeting base from which cowardly armed attack against our citizens & senior officials were launched.

We do not seek escalation or war, but will defend ourselves against any aggression.
7:32 PM · Jan 7, 2020·Twitter Web App

I'm sure that Rand Paul was absolutely giddy over this tweet.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Lando Lincoln on January 08, 2020, 03:08:19 am
(https://external-preview.redd.it/lURhaIRcwAA2Sg3w0aASqMwYX4of3mrhPiXaw7bfKKM.gif?format=mp4&s=0658b812f6fdc1bfac7055a92e43d3423f05e68b)
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 08, 2020, 03:09:19 am
@Wingnut

We can only imagine the horror Bubba faced after being told he had blown up a white powder factory.

And that his ploy to stall his Impeachment was delayed by exactly one day of dog-waving.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: skeeter on January 08, 2020, 03:09:31 am
Iran has proven that they cannot be trusted. Trump may have good intent at this point, but do you really think they do? Doubtful Trump killed their top commander.

Let them declare war on us for supporting anti government Iranian rebels. Turn the tables on the bastards.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: libertybele on January 08, 2020, 03:10:57 am
Dan Bongino asked if we really believe that the mullahs who acted like Neanderthals for decades were saving face. They've never acted like that is the past.

No, Dan, I don't think they were saving face. They don't know what the term means being the death cult they are.

Agreed.  IMHO  Not saving face -- they fired warning shots and they are taunting Trump.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: bigheadfred on January 08, 2020, 03:11:10 am
I'm new to the thread. You all may have this info. This is from CNN updated about 10 minutes go. I ain't linking it unless you make me.

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At least two ballistic missiles hit separate areas in Erbil, two Kurdish security officials tell CNN. One missile landed inside the perimeter of Erbil International Airport without exploding, the second missile hit an area roughly 20 miles west of Erbil without causing casualties.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 08, 2020, 03:13:02 am
I'm new to the thread. You all may have this info. This is from CNN updated about 10 minutes go. I ain't linking it unless you make me.

I did hear this about "Erbil" earlier, just a scant mention like what you posted. Thank you.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: EdinVA on January 08, 2020, 03:14:53 am
Agreed.  IMHO  Not saving face -- they fired warning shots and they are taunting Trump.
Taunting, maybe, but I think it is more testing Trumps resolve.
Iran slapped us, again, and at least for the moment, got away with it.
They will be back...
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on January 08, 2020, 03:17:41 am
Taunting, maybe, but I think it is more testing Trumps resolve.
Iran slapped us, again, and at least for the moment, got away with it.
They will be back...

They got away with nothing.  We killed the top terrorist leader in the ME - the No. 2 guy in Iran, and their retaliation was to fire off some missiles that didn't hit anything.

We can and should declare victory, and move on.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: bigheadfred on January 08, 2020, 03:19:54 am
They got away with nothing.  We killed the top terrorist leader in the ME - the No. 2 guy in Iran, and their retaliation was to fire off some missiles that didn't hit anything.

We can and should declare victory, and move on.

I haven't seen any updates on casualties. No one died?
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: catfish1957 on January 08, 2020, 03:20:37 am
@realDonaldTrump

Mr.President,may I suggest having the leader of Iraq dress up as a woman and sing "I feel pretty,oh so pretty" in full drag makeup in front of tv cameras?

Sorry, Rudy already took that gig.   :cool:
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: EdinVA on January 08, 2020, 03:21:10 am
They got away with nothing.  We killed the top terrorist leader in the ME - the No. 2 guy in Iran, and their retaliation was to fire off some missiles that didn't hit anything.

We can and should declare victory, and move on.
So what has changed since friday nite?  Nothing.
The stated goal of the Iranian theocracy is still to spread terrorism throughout the world with the goal of global dominance thru any means necessary.
We changed a name, nothing more.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: sneakypete on January 08, 2020, 03:23:11 am
Sorry, Rudy already took that gig.   :cool:

@catfish1957

True,but Rudy is from NYC,and such things are expected there. I suspect the reaction to seeing their leader do that in Iraq would be slightly different.

Unless of course he WAS pretty all dressed up as a woman.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 08, 2020, 03:23:47 am
I haven't seen any updates on casualties. No one died?

Last I heard some Iraqis are injured, no US casualties.  This is early, fog of war doesn't lift until 24 hours or so.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: bigheadfred on January 08, 2020, 03:36:48 am
So what has changed since friday nite?  Nothing.
The stated goal of the Iranian theocracy is still to spread terrorism throughout the world with the goal of global dominance thru any means necessary.
We changed a name, nothing more.

I read where that Reaper drone could have tech that positively ID'ed suleimani in a moving vehicle at night. I have no doubt that operations already in their books will still be carried out. But, hopefully, the ROEs for us have changed and we start to use our tech weapons to kill every little rat bastard causing death anywhere over there. On a consistent and steady basis.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: bigheadfred on January 08, 2020, 03:38:30 am
Last I heard some Iraqis are injured, no US casualties.  This is early, fog of war doesn't lift until 24 hours or so.

Thanks for the update. I am off to bed.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: DCPatriot on January 08, 2020, 03:39:10 am
Ben Rhodes
@brhodes
·
13m
There is still de-escalation as an available option. This war will not end well for anyone otherwise.

Eff you, Benny!   You backed the wrong Kenyan, er..., President.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 08, 2020, 03:39:29 am
Agreed.  IMHO  Not saving face -- they fired warning shots and they are taunting Trump.

Missing from all the reporting is Putin's visit to Syria today (his first since 2017).  If I were asked to guess, I'd guess Putin gave a green light for the revenge missiles from Iran --- with one provision:  "Do not touch even a hair on the head of any American".

Just my guess.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 08, 2020, 03:39:43 am
Quote
BNO News
@BNONews
BREAKING: Iranian media says Boeing 737 suffered technical problems, went down minutes after take-off in Tehran
9:32 PM · Jan 7, 2020·TweetDeck
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1214751652823126017 (https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1214751652823126017)

There may be 180 passengers on board here, odd that this might happen. I saw another tweet on this in Spanish so, perhaps this did happen....

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-01-08/boeing-737-passenger-jet-crashes-in-iran-due-to-technical-issue (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-01-08/boeing-737-passenger-jet-crashes-in-iran-due-to-technical-issue)
Ukraine bound. Maybe Ukraine airlines in fact.

Which is kind of mind-blowing if this happened tonight of all times....

Also, News Flash has this (unrelated to the crash above, related to the attack in Iraq)

Quote
News flash
@BRNewsFlash
#BREAKING : Fears of British casualties at Iraqi bases bombed by Iran as #Tehran accuses UK of being America's 'partner in crime' over General #Soleimani's killing

https://twitter.com/BRNewsFlash/status/1214734709965631490 (https://twitter.com/BRNewsFlash/status/1214734709965631490)

So, hopefully, nothing happened to our British allies... Just posting because I saw it...
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: bilo on January 08, 2020, 03:39:56 am
They got away with nothing.  We killed the top terrorist leader in the ME - the No. 2 guy in Iran, and their retaliation was to fire off some missiles that didn't hit anything.

We can and should declare victory, and move on.

I think this is why Trump is waiting to say anything until tomorrow. He's not reacting immediately because as long as they aren't killing a bunch of our people we don't need to shock the world's economy by disrupting the oil flow from the middle east. People don't realize we can knock out their oil production pretty quickly, but they can create huge problems in the Persian Gulf.
 
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on January 08, 2020, 03:47:01 am
So what has changed since friday nite?  Nothing.
The stated goal of the Iranian theocracy is still to spread terrorism throughout the world with the goal of global dominance thru any means necessary.
We changed a name, nothing more.

Not true at all.  As General Petraeus said, killing Soleimani was more important than killing OBL or Al-Baghdadi.  Anyway, we accomplished three things to change the dynamic in the region.

1)  Soleimani apparently was a very charismatic, smart guy who was very hands on.  Just because someone new takes over his title doesn't mean they have anything close to his ability or reputation.  It's like saying the Russians would have accomplished nothing by killing Reagan because he would have been replaced by GHW Bush, so "no big deal".

2) The blow to the prestige of the Iranian government is enormous.  Previously, Soleimani had an air of invincibility, able to fly around the ME at will with impunity, with even the mighty U.S. too afraid to do anything about him.  That helped give an aura of inevitability to the idea of Iranian dominance of the region, and greatly enhanced his prestige in creating and leading various militias, etc..  By openly killing him, and then threatening to smash Iran if they killed more Americans in response, Trump reversed the perception of strength.  That is extremely important in the ME culture, and will dishearten Iran's supporters, and hearten its opponents.  So that's huge.

3) Because we openly killed Soleimani, and didn't blink about, whoever replaces him is no longer going to be able to act as openly.  That will further reduce his ability to influence events outside Iran, because he's going to have to act as if he is afraid of the U.S..

Which he should be.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: EdinVA on January 08, 2020, 03:47:49 am
I think this is why Trump is waiting to say anything until tomorrow. He's not reacting immediately because as long as they aren't killing a bunch of our people we don't need to shock the world's economy by disrupting the oil flow from the middle east. People don't realize we can knock out their oil production pretty quickly, but they can create huge problems in the Persian Gulf.
I think that is the one thing that really surprised me about Trump, his patience.
I was worried before the election that he would be so accustomed to a huge organization, both his and his competitors, jumping every time he talked that managing the government wold frustrate him but he seems to be wearing the new suite well.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on January 08, 2020, 04:01:16 am
I think this is why Trump is waiting to say anything until tomorrow. He's not reacting immediately because as long as they aren't killing a bunch of our people we don't need to shock the world's economy by disrupting the oil flow from the middle east. People don't realize we can knock out their oil production pretty quickly, but they can create huge problems in the Persian Gulf.

Right -- and that's why finally killing Soleimani was so brilliant.  The Iranians were already engaging in so much nasty behavior that they really couldn't retaliate without escalating things to the point where they'd be hurt much more than us.   Americans didn't want war with Iran...but Iran wanted war with the U.S. even less, and Trump properly calculated that they'd have to back down.  So they did this face-saving attack, then quickly assured us that their actions were concluded so Trump didn't smash them back. To me, Trump's message tonight suggests he realizes that, and so will not retaliate.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: bilo on January 08, 2020, 04:16:49 am
I think that is the one thing that really surprised me about Trump, his patience.
I was worried before the election that he would be so accustomed to a huge organization, both his and his competitors, jumping every time he talked that managing the government wold frustrate him but he seems to be wearing the new suite well.

I think you're right. He says a lot of things in the heat of the moment, but ultimately the decisions he makes are sound.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: bilo on January 08, 2020, 04:19:15 am
Right -- and that's why finally killing Soleimani was so brilliant.  The Iranians were already engaging in so much nasty behavior that they really couldn't retaliate without escalating things to the point where they'd be hurt much more than us.   Americans didn't want war with Iran...but Iran wanted war with the U.S. even less, and Trump properly calculated that they'd have to back down.  So they did this face-saving attack, then quickly assured us that their actions were concluded so Trump didn't smash them back. To me, Trump's message tonight suggests he realizes that, and so will not retaliate.

Also, Trump has made it clear that he will cut off the head of the snake rather than fight it's surrogates. The leadership has to be thinking about this, do they want to die?
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: austingirl on January 08, 2020, 04:19:53 am
https://www.volcanodiscovery.com/app/earthquakes/quake-info/2639315/M5-Wed-8-Jan-Southern-Iran.html (https://www.volcanodiscovery.com/app/earthquakes/quake-info/2639315/M5-Wed-8-Jan-Southern-Iran.html)

Moderate magnitude 5.0 earthquake at 10 km depth


Interesting!



Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 08, 2020, 04:22:45 am
https://www.volcanodiscovery.com/app/earthquakes/quake-info/2639315/M5-Wed-8-Jan-Southern-Iran.html (https://www.volcanodiscovery.com/app/earthquakes/quake-info/2639315/M5-Wed-8-Jan-Southern-Iran.html)

Moderate magnitude 5.0 earthquake at 10 km depth


Interesting!

Huh.  :pondering:
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Lando Lincoln on January 08, 2020, 04:24:12 am
A Ukraine 737 just crashed in Iran?  Did I hear that right?
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on January 08, 2020, 04:25:05 am
https://www.volcanodiscovery.com/app/earthquakes/quake-info/2639315/M5-Wed-8-Jan-Southern-Iran.html (https://www.volcanodiscovery.com/app/earthquakes/quake-info/2639315/M5-Wed-8-Jan-Southern-Iran.html)

Moderate magnitude 5.0 earthquake at 10 km depth


Interesting!

Iran is one of the most active earthquake zones in the world, and those kind of quakes aren't unusual.  I suspect someone is taking something that is common and trying to imply something nefarious simply to take advantage of the publicity.

https://www.thoughtco.com/seismic-hazard-maps-of-the-world-1441205 (https://www.thoughtco.com/seismic-hazard-maps-of-the-world-1441205)
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: austingirl on January 08, 2020, 04:25:31 am
A Ukraine 737 just crashed in Iran?  Did I hear that right?

Yes and an earthquake in Iran.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: txradioguy on January 08, 2020, 04:25:50 am
A Ukraine 737 just crashed in Iran?  Did I hear that right?

You heard correctly.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 08, 2020, 04:26:34 am
A Ukraine 737 just crashed in Iran?  Did I hear that right?

Yes.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-08/ukrainian-boeing-737-crashes-imam-khomeini-airport-state-media/11852504 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-08/ukrainian-boeing-737-crashes-imam-khomeini-airport-state-media/11852504)

Taking off from Tehran.  Technical difficulties?

EA:  180 on board.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: austingirl on January 08, 2020, 04:26:37 am
Iran is one of the most active earthquake zones in the world, and those kind of quakes aren't unusual.  I suspect someone is taking something that is common and trying to imply something nefarious simply to take advantage of the publicity.

https://www.thoughtco.com/seismic-hazard-maps-of-the-world-1441205 (https://www.thoughtco.com/seismic-hazard-maps-of-the-world-1441205)

Could well be, but still interesting.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: NavyCanDo on January 08, 2020, 04:35:14 am
A Ukraine 737 just crashed in Iran?  Did I hear that right?

Yes, just heard the same. Too coincidental.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 08, 2020, 04:43:48 am
Yes, just heard the same. Too coincidental.

This will be tomorrow morning's big story of the night.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: catfish1957 on January 08, 2020, 04:58:43 am
Yes and an earthquake in Iran.

As backwards thinking some of those people are, I hope they view it as a sign from Allah.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 08, 2020, 04:58:47 am
Hamdid Rifai, who I like to read may be ornery and drunk tonight but he did tweet:

Quote
Hamdi Rifai
@HamdiRifaiJD
·
45m
Iran just shot down a commercial passenger jet murdering 180 passengers
(then, the CNN report)
https://twitter.com/HamdiRifaiJD/status/1214760746913021953 (https://twitter.com/HamdiRifaiJD/status/1214760746913021953)

The plane exploded WHEN it hit the ground, I saw it and it crashed after take-off, I don't see anything sinister here but I could be way wrong.

Also, the US Contractor that certainly helped get this whole thing rolling, who was he?? He was a naturalize US citizen, born in Iraq, Arabic translator:

Quote
Investigations
Contractor whose death Trump cited was a naturalized U.S. citizen born in Iraq
(https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/EKWDDJRRXEI6VFY3IO7MH74YMA.jpg&w=1440)
Nawres Hamid, a contractor killed in Iraq, was a naturalized U.S. citizen who served as an Arabic interpreter for U.S. forces. (Family photo)
By  Aaron C. Davis
Jan. 7, 2020 at 9:25 p.m. CST

An American defense contractor whose death late last month was cited by President Trump amid escalating violence with Iran was identified Tuesday as an interpreter who was born in Iraq and lived in Sacramento.

Nawres Hamid, 33, became a naturalized citizen in 2017, according to his widow. He was the father of two boys, ages 2 and 8, she said.

In recent years, as an Arabic interpreter for U.S. forces in Iraq, Hamid was known to decorate his living space with pictures of the children, according to a co-worker.

More at: https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/contractor-whose-death-trump-cites-was-a-naturalized-us-citizen-born-in-iraq/2020/01/07/afa7e774-31ac-11ea-91fd-82d4e04a3fac_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/contractor-whose-death-trump-cites-was-a-naturalized-us-citizen-born-in-iraq/2020/01/07/afa7e774-31ac-11ea-91fd-82d4e04a3fac_story.html)

Also, al Arabiya reported that the Iranians statement tonight on the base attack is, should there be no further actions by the US, this concludes their revenge attack.

Hamdid Rifai who I quote sometimes, doesn't care for the Kurds, really hates the Assad forces, he must be Iraqi or Syria but he says a lot of interesting stuff. We will see.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Sighlass on January 08, 2020, 07:20:04 am
Quote
Bette Midler
@BetteMidler
·
22s
...........Iran is thousands of years old & was the first empire in history; surviving because because they are cunning, crafty, & have lots of what we do not.  Patience.

We all knew she wasn't gonna say "Commie Secular Jews"....
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 08, 2020, 11:48:00 am
A lot of views, I wasn't sure what to title this but it looks like people found it, it wasn't quite an "Iran Conflict" before last night, then, it's not necessarily that now.... Jerusalem Post calls the problem there, the "Israeili-Arab" conflict I think as a general heading.

The Jerusalem Post
@Jerusalem_Post
Both black boxes of crashed #Ukrainian airliner have been found - #Iran TV
https://twitter.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/1214861110261751809

The Jerusalem Post
@Jerusalem_Post
#Iran is refusing to hand over the black boxes found in the wreckage of the #ukrainianplane which crashed in #Tehran this morning. Meanwhile, #Ukraine has said that earlier statements on the cause of the crash were unofficial.
https://twitter.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/1214863621072859137

So, we will see....
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 08, 2020, 11:52:46 am
Quote
Ruthen
@RutheniaRus
The tailpipe fire or what it called in the airline industry a back fire, which affect the aircraft turbofan engines is occurring only on ground, during engine start or shutdown.
Quote Tweet
Sharon Idan | שרון עידן
@sharonidan
 Â· 4h
737-800 זהה לזה שהתרסק לפנות בוקר באירן, סמוך לחצות בנתב״ג.
תקלת אש מנוע. תמונות מדהימות של הפוטנציאל לאסון כשמתחילה במנוע תקלת אש.

https://twitter.com/RutheniaRus/status/1214872021034831873

Video at this tweet allegedly of the plane, showing the backfire. Read tweet.
Quote
Sharon Idan | שרון עידן
@sharonidan
737-800 זהה לזה שהתרסק לפנות בוקר באירן, סמוך לחצות בנתב״ג.
תקלת אש מנוע. תמונות מדהימות של הפוטנציאל לאסון כשמתחילה במנוע תקלת אש. ככה זה נראה בנתבג. מדהים
Translated by
737-800 is the same as the one that crashed in the morning in Iran, near midnight at Ben Gurion Airport. Engine fire fault. Amazing photos of the potential for disaster when starting a fire fault engine. This is what it looks like in spore. Stunning
https://twitter.com/sharonidan/status/1214806866171191306

So, this 2nd tweet would seem to make foul play a bit less likely, look at that "back fire".

And this plane story should perhaps have its own thread but, it is Iran related and things get going a bit spontaneously....
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Gefn on January 08, 2020, 12:14:49 pm
Iran civil aviation org says will not give black box to Boeing

By JERUSALEM POST STAFF
Iran's civil aviation organization has said that it will not hand over to Boeing the black box of the Ukrainian airlines flight that crashed shortly after taking off from Tehran's Imam Khomeni airport on Wednesday morning.

Both black boxes were found Wednesday, Iranian state television has reported. An Iranian official was quoted as saying both boxes were damaged but that it was believed their data could still be retrieved.

On Wednesday morning, engine failure was named as the cause of the crash. However, the Ukrainian embassy to Iran later issued a new statement on the crash which omitted engine failure as a cause, and saying that any previous statements on the cause of the crash had not been official.

https://m.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Iran-civil-aviation-org-says-will-not-give-black-box-to-Boeing-613548
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 08, 2020, 12:24:21 pm
Some of them...at least 12 were the ballistic missiles they've been building.  I'm sure my friends across the road inside Cheyenne Mountain had a busy day/night.
IIRC, nothing Iran has has the sort of range to reach CONUS targets from a land launch there. That would not preclude keeping an eye on launches anywhere, and especially in areas where we have troops, though, so they likely were busy.
The danger to the CONUS, if any, would come from IRBMs launched from ships off the coast, or 'sleeper cell' IEDs.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Elderberry on January 08, 2020, 01:05:32 pm
4 of Iran’s 15 ballistic missiles failed to hit their US targets, say reports

American Military News by  Laura Widener  January 07, 2020

U.S. officials have confirmed that several of the missiles fired by Iran failed to hit their targets, new reports said on Tuesday night.

Citing a U.S. defense official, Los Angeles Times and Fox News both reported that four of 15 missiles Iran fired at U.S. targets failed.

Of the 15 missiles, 10 hit the Al Assad Air Base in Anbar province, Iraq, one missile struck the Combined Joint Operations Center in Irbil, Iraq, and four missiles failed.

The missiles were reportedly tracked by radar systems, allowing U.S. forces to move to safety before they struck. The U.S. did not attempt to intercept the missiles.

More: https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/01/4-of-irans-15-ballistic-missiles-failed-to-hit-their-us-targets-say-reports/ (https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/01/4-of-irans-15-ballistic-missiles-failed-to-hit-their-us-targets-say-reports/)
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Elderberry on January 08, 2020, 01:14:35 pm
Esper: U.S. continues to deploy, reposition troops in Middle East

American Military News 1/7/2019

https://americanmilitarynews.com/ai/esper-u-s-continues-to-deploy-reposition-troops-in-middle-east/ (https://americanmilitarynews.com/ai/esper-u-s-continues-to-deploy-reposition-troops-in-middle-east/)

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WASHINGTON, Jan. 7, 2020 — The United States continues to deploy and reposition troops throughout the region of Iraq and Iran to bolster U.S. security and force protection and to be prepared for any contingency, Defense Secretary Dr. Mark T. Esper said.

“Over the last several days, I’ve had many conversations with our partners and allies about the situation in Iraq and the region,” the secretary told reporters at an impromptu Pentagon news conference today.

“It’s been uniform support for our position and our actions, and I continue to convey to them the importance we continue to place on the defeat-ISIS position,” Esper said of the U.S. drone attack that killed Gen. Qassem Soleimani, the head of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps’ elite Quds Force, one of the most powerful figures in the region.

Deterring Iran from its bad behavior and standing up to that behavior has been going on for 40-plus years, the secretary added. “And … we remain prepared for any contingency with regard to Iran,” he said.---

Esper said the Iranians fired 31 rockets that weren’t meant to harass, but were designed to kill people and destroy things. “Then we had the siege of the embassy,” he added.

He called the strike that killed the Quds Force leader a matter of self-defense carried out to protect Americans.

“When we looked at this operation, we knew there would be consequences; we knew there’d be risks,” said Army Gen. Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who joined Esper in briefing reporters. “We didn’t take any of it lightly. We knew we’d have to address [the posture of U.S. Central Command troops] for force protection in the immediate aftermath of this particular strike operation.”

“How do you expect us not to respond when they’ve been killing our people for 20 years?” Esper asked. “Soleimani alone has the blood of hundreds of Americans; he’s wounded thousands of American coalition partners. He is a terrorist, a leader of a terrorist organization who’s been killing and attacking Americans for 20-some years, and the blood is on his hands.”

More a link.

Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: bigheadfred on January 08, 2020, 01:20:48 pm
I was reading a story in the Newyorker that this death has unified the Iranian people against the US. I highly doubt that. I would bet a significant portion of the throngs that showed up for his funeral only went to make sure the SOB was dead.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Gefn on January 08, 2020, 01:29:54 pm
I was reading a story in the Newyorker that this death has unified the Iranian people against the US. I highly doubt that. I would bet a significant portion of the throngs that showed up for his funeral only went to make sure the SOB was dead.

@bigheadfred I read The Newyorker for the cartoons. It’s a good magazine. I like it.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: bigheadfred on January 08, 2020, 01:33:18 pm
@bigheadfred I read The Newyorker for the cartoons. It’s a good magazine. I like it.

That may be. This "oh noes" piece didn't do much for me.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: txradioguy on January 08, 2020, 01:52:47 pm
IIRC, nothing Iran has has the sort of range to reach CONUS targets from a land launch there. That would not preclude keeping an eye on launches anywhere, and especially in areas where we have troops, though, so they likely were busy.
The danger to the CONUS, if any, would come from IRBMs launched from ships off the coast, or 'sleeper cell' IEDs.

Agreed...but their first target for their ballistic missile program won't be the U.S. once they perfect the guidance systems and fit nuke warheads to them.

We'll be second once they build their ICBM's.

The only reason I mentioned NORAD is because the system they run picks up missile launches anywhere.  Regardless of whether it's coming at us or not.  It could have/should have been an early warning from them to the troops in Iraq to hunker down because they had missiles heading their way.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: txradioguy on January 08, 2020, 01:57:35 pm
Iran's Supreme Leader calls missile strike at bases a 'slap in the face,' warns it's not enough

https://www.foxnews.com/world/missile-attacks-target-us-forces-in-iraq-senior-military-source-says-iran-suspected (https://www.foxnews.com/world/missile-attacks-target-us-forces-in-iraq-senior-military-source-says-iran-suspected)
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mountaineer on January 08, 2020, 02:05:36 pm
Brandon Morse  @TheBrandonMorse

Iran claims it killed 30 Americans. The Pentagon said they killed no Americans.
MSNBC decided to run Iran’s narrative.
If you were wondering whose side the media is on, let that inform your opinion.
9:04 PM · Jan 7, 2020
_______________________
John Cardillo @johncardillo
The sickest part of this thing with the media is that they are upset 30 Americans weren’t killed and Trump isn’t taking that hit.
7:21 AM · Jan 8, 2020
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Gefn on January 08, 2020, 02:09:48 pm
Iran Missile Attacks: President Trump Speaks To Nation Wednesday

President Trump is expected to make a statement Wednesday morning on Iran's missile attack on two Iraqi military bases housing U.S. troops.

Jan 8, 2020 8:49 am ET

WASHINGTON, DC — President Donald Trump is expected to address the nation Wednesday morning after Iranian forces launched more than a dozen ballistic missiles against two Iraqi military bases where some U.S. troops are housed.

No U.S. casualties were immediately reported in the strikes, revenge for America's killing of Iran's Revolutionary Guard commander Qassem Soleimani last week near the Baghdad airport. However, Iran claimed at least 80 U.S. troops were killed, The Washington Post and other news outlets reported.

The strike is the most significant attack so far as tensions escalate in the Middle East. Some analysts say the missile strike was "the smallest attack that Iran could carry out while at the same time being able to say they got revenge."


https://patch.com/us/white-house/iran-missile-attacks-president-trump-speaks-nation-wednesday
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mountaineer on January 08, 2020, 02:12:25 pm
FYI, the administration tried to "brief" congressional Dems, this Politico reporter tweeted, but Pelosi was too busy to take the call:
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Heather Caygle  @heatherscope

In meeting tonight Speaker Pelosi was handed a note telling her VP Pence was on the phone.
“Tell him I’ll call him back,” she said according to sources in room, noting she had to go open the House for new session.
Two minutes later, she was handed note about air base bombing.
6:40 PM · Jan 7, 2020

Heather Caygle  @heatherscope
Pelosi called Pence back at 6:34 pm and he briefed her on Iranian attack, per @Drew_Hammill
6:59 PM · Jan 7, 2020
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: oldno7 on January 08, 2020, 02:13:28 pm
Now would be a great time for Trump to take out Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on January 08, 2020, 02:15:54 pm
Now would be a great time for Trump to take out Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

I think now would be a great time to stand down, and reap the practical and propaganda benefits of having taken out Soleimani, made Iran look impotant, while not escalating any conflict.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: EdinVA on January 08, 2020, 02:33:53 pm
I think now would be a great time to stand down, and reap the practical and propaganda benefits of having taken out Soleimani, made Iran look impotant, while not escalating any conflict.
We have been standing down and reaping the "benefits" for 40 years.
Is it your desire that we continue to ignore the issue so our grand kids can deal with it?
I do understand your logic and desire but when is enough enough?
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: libertybele on January 08, 2020, 03:04:51 pm
Iran's Supreme Leader calls missile strike at bases a 'slap in the face,' warns it's not enough

https://www.foxnews.com/world/missile-attacks-target-us-forces-in-iraq-senior-military-source-says-iran-suspected (https://www.foxnews.com/world/missile-attacks-target-us-forces-in-iraq-senior-military-source-says-iran-suspected)

They need to take the Ayatollah out. 
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: DCPatriot on January 08, 2020, 03:22:51 pm
We have been standing down and reaping the "benefits" for 40 years.
Is it your desire that we continue to ignore the issue so our grand kids can deal with it?
I do understand your logic and desire but when is enough enough?

I totally agree with you.  Secularize Iran!

It's time to bring down the Mullahs.  It's pastime!

Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Bigun on January 08, 2020, 03:30:03 pm
I was reading a story in the Newyorker that this death has unified the Iranian people against the US. I highly doubt that. I would bet a significant portion of the throngs that showed up for his funeral only went to make sure the SOB was dead.

They went because they were forced to.   
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: austingirl on January 08, 2020, 03:32:26 pm
I totally agree with you.  Secularize Iran!

It's time to bring down the Mullahs.  It's pastime!

Absolutely. As soon as they have nukes, the world is over.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Bigun on January 08, 2020, 03:33:12 pm
I totally agree with you.  Secularize Iran!

It's time to bring down the Mullahs.  It's pastime!

 :yowsa:  :amen:
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 08, 2020, 03:34:01 pm
Official Iranian photograph of the missile launches:

(https://whatthecrap.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/iranfakemissles.png?w=780)
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 08, 2020, 03:37:15 pm
US Response I'd like to see:

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_YGLQQZTHoU0/ShQ-zexU30I/AAAAAAAAII4/jLt_6DHZ8Q0/s400/Iran_missile_oops.jpg)
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: andy58-in-nh on January 08, 2020, 03:43:16 pm
US Response I'd like to see:

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_YGLQQZTHoU0/ShQ-zexU30I/AAAAAAAAII4/jLt_6DHZ8Q0/s400/Iran_missile_oops.jpg)
LOL. Umbrella by Acme Products.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 08, 2020, 03:44:38 pm
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Former Iraqi parliamentarian says most Iraqis support Soleimani assassination - JNS.org
Heather Robinson

(January 7, 2020 / JNS) Mithal al-Alusi, former Iraqi parliamentarian and a longtime friend of Israel, said in a phone interview on Monday that he supports U.S. President Donald Trump’s decision to assassinate Qassem Soleimani, the leader of Iran’s Quds Force, a branch of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) responsible for terrorist operations outside of Iran. He added that he believes the majority of Iraqis are “very happy” about the assassination.

“Soleimani did kill many Americans, many Europeans, many Jewish [people],” Alusi told me. “Maybe more than [ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-] Baghdadi and maybe more than [Al-Qaeda head Osama] bin Laden. He was a very high level—the highest-level international terrorist.”

Alusi, who served three terms in Iraq’s parliament as head of the Iraqi Nation Party—a classically liberal political party that championed human rights, rule of law, a free press, and normalized relations between Iraq and Israel—knows the horrors of terrorism firsthand. In February 2005, terrorists murdered his two sons, Ayman, 30, and Jamal, 22, as payback for their father’s decision to visit Israel to attend a counterterrorism conference.

Read more at: https://www.jns.org/opinion/former-iraqi-prime-minister-says-most-iraqis-support-soleimani-assassination/ (https://www.jns.org/opinion/former-iraqi-prime-minister-says-most-iraqis-support-soleimani-assassination/)
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 08, 2020, 03:49:23 pm
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Aurora Intel
@AuroraIntel
.@planetlabs have released the first Sat. imagery of Ain Al Assad Airbase after the #Iran attack showing the damage caused. #Iraq #US

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENxOYKoXYAAokR7?format=jpg&name=large)

https://twitter.com/AuroraIntel
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 04:03:25 pm
US military had advance warning of incoming missiles fired by Iran
https://nypost.com/2020/01/08/us-military-had-advance-warning-of-incoming-missiles-fired-by-iran/
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 08, 2020, 04:08:26 pm
Agreed...but their first target for their ballistic missile program won't be the U.S. once they perfect the guidance systems and fit nuke warheads to them.

We'll be second once they build their ICBM's.

The only reason I mentioned NORAD is because the system they run picks up missile launches anywhere.  Regardless of whether it's coming at us or not.  It could have/should have been an early warning from them to the troops in Iraq to hunker down because they had missiles heading their way.
I figured as much, and that may have been a factor in moving our people out of the way.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on January 08, 2020, 04:17:31 pm
We have been standing down and reaping the "benefits" for 40 years.
Is it your desire that we continue to ignore the issue so our grand kids can deal with it?
I do understand your logic and desire but when is enough enough?

When we decided to kill Soleimani.  Following that, Trump publicly told the entire nation, and the world, that he wasn't trying to start a war, but to prevent one.  If he does as you suggest, he'd be rightly tagged as a huge liar who misled the entire country.

Iran is in trouble.  They've had mass protests because of a tanking economy, and we just took out one of their most important figures.  Let's see where this goes before escalating and potential losing any advantage we may have just gained.

We can do a lot of damage to Iraq with missiles, but not enough to remove the mullahs from power.  If you really wanted to do that, you'd have to invade by land, and that's not happening.   Even manned aircraft would result in a lot of guys getting shot down and muddying up the situation.  And if we just decide to take out their port facilities/oil production, we're going to throw much of the rest of the world into a recession because of the disruption to oil supplies.  At that point, with little left to lose, Iran may just decide to fire off 1000 or so ballistic missiles at other cities in the region.  Non-nuclear, but a lot of people would still get killed, and everyone would blame it on us.  Might even swing enough Senators to convict Trump.

Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: skeeter on January 08, 2020, 04:32:27 pm
When we decided to kill Soleimani.  Following that, Trump publicly told the entire nation, and the world, that he wasn't trying to start a war, but to prevent one.  If he does as you suggest, he'd be rightly tagged as a huge liar who misled the entire country.

Iran is in trouble.  They've had mass protests because of a tanking economy, and we just took out one of their most important figures.  Let's see where this goes before escalating and potential losing any advantage we may have just gained.

We can do a lot of damage to Iraq with missiles, but not enough to remove the mullahs from power.  If you really wanted to do that, you'd have to invade by land, and that's not happening.   Even manned aircraft would result in a lot of guys getting shot down and muddying up the situation.  And if we just decide to take out their port facilities/oil production, we're going to throw much of the rest of the world into a recession because of the disruption to oil supplies.  At that point, with little left to lose, Iran may just decide to fire off 1000 or so ballistic missiles at other cities in the region.  Non-nuclear, but a lot of people would still get killed, and everyone would blame it on us.  Might even swing enough Senators to convict Trump.

At this moment the Mullahs fondest wish is to rally the nation in a war against the Great Satan. We should be figuring out ways to quietly support their internal opposition right now.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on January 08, 2020, 04:58:56 pm
Trump's speech was outstanding.  He was very sober/serious, and called for Europe to join in heavier economic sanctions on Iran to stop the export of terrorism, and to prevent them from getting a nuke.  Said he wanted Iran to consider peace as a better way to help its people, etc.. Also rightly pointed a nasty finger at the last Administration for giving Iran access to the funds that they have used to buy weapons, and to export terrorism since the signing of that agreement.

Took no questions.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on January 08, 2020, 05:00:34 pm
At this moment the Mullahs fondest wish is to rally the nation in a war against the Great Satan. We should be figuring out ways to quietly support their internal opposition right now.

If they wanted to rally their nation for a war against us, they wouldn't have fired just 15 missiles into mostly-empty bases.  They know, and Trump recognized that they knew, that they could not fight and win such a war against the U.S..  We'd wipe out their oil industry in the first 24 hours.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 08, 2020, 05:01:56 pm
Trump's speech was outstanding.  He was very sober/serious, and called for Europe to join in heavier economic sanctions on Iran to stop the export of terrorism, and to prevent them from getting a nuke.  Said he wanted Iran to consider peace as a better way to help its people, etc.. Also rightly pointed a nasty finger at the last Administration for giving Iran access to the funds that they have used to buy weapons, and to export terrorism since the signing of that agreement.

Took no questions.

I was wondering how that went.  My cable and internet went down in the first sentence, and came back up after the speech.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on January 08, 2020, 05:08:13 pm
I was wondering how that went.  My cable and internet went down in the first sentence, and came back up after the speech.

I predict that Democrats and many in the media will be wearing their sad faces because Trump didn't take us into a war that would destroy Trump's electability.   I honestly think many of them were rooting for Trump to screw this up.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: EdinVA on January 08, 2020, 05:09:13 pm
Trump's speech was outstanding.  He was very sober/serious, and called for Europe to join in heavier economic sanctions on Iran to stop the export of terrorism, and to prevent them from getting a nuke.  Said he wanted Iran to consider peace as a better way to help its people, etc.. Also rightly pointed a nasty finger at the last Administration for giving Iran access to the funds that they have used to buy weapons, and to export terrorism since the signing of that agreement.

Took no questions.
So, now we can breathe easier, the world is at peace, until tomorrow.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on January 08, 2020, 05:12:13 pm
So, now we can breathe easier, the world is at peace, until tomorrow.

Trump was handed an absolute shit sandwich by the last Administration when it comes to Iran.  That deal was terrible, and also undercut allies who thought it gave Iran too much.  It put Iran on a clear path to ascendancy in that region, which they've been pushing and exploiting ever since.

Trump put a screeching halt to that in the last week.

Trump rightly recognized that Iran is having real internal problems right now.  Taking out Soleimani, then staring down the Ayatollahs, is going to help rally support overseas for some truly severe sanctions.  He's rightly going to give that shot first before sending more Americans off to be killed in a war.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on January 08, 2020, 05:16:44 pm
I was wondering how that went.  My cable and internet went down in the first sentence, and came back up after the speech.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PEyPez-5H8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PEyPez-5H8#)
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 08, 2020, 05:18:16 pm


Thank Yew!!
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on January 08, 2020, 05:21:13 pm
Trump was handed an absolute shit sandwich by the last Administration when it comes to Iran.  That deal was terrible, and also undercut allies who thought it gave Iran too much.  It put Iran on a clear path to ascendancy in that region, which they've been pushing and exploiting ever since.

Trump put a screeching halt to that in the last week.

Trump rightly recognized that Iran is having real internal problems right now.  Taking out Soleimani, then staring down the Ayatollahs, is going to help rally support overseas for some truly severe sanctions.  He's rightly going to give that shot first before sending more Americans off to be killed in a war.

I bet the last administration wrote that retreat draft letter we sent to Iran too.

Trump's speech did not deescalate the situation.  I don't say that because I want Trump to fail and wage war.  I say it because I fear that is his nature.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: EdinVA on January 08, 2020, 05:24:17 pm
Trump was handed an absolute shit sandwich by the last Administration when it comes to Iran.  That deal was terrible, and also undercut allies who thought it gave Iran too much.  It put Iran on a clear path to ascendancy in that region, which they've been pushing and exploiting ever since.

Trump put a screeching halt to that in the last week.

Trump rightly recognized that Iran is having real internal problems right now.  Taking out Soleimani, then staring down the Ayatollahs, is going to help rally support overseas for some truly severe sanctions.  He's rightly going to give that shot first before sending more Americans off to be killed in a war.
Well, Carter built the shit sandwich and for 40 years we have been passing it along, one generation to the next.
Theocracy's could care less about their citizenry, remaining in power is their only concern.
If we take from the underclass via sanctions, the power base will just seize more goods and services from the country.
Only those in power have the ability to fight and defend themselves so it does not matter what the underclass does or says.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on January 08, 2020, 05:26:52 pm
I bet the last administration wrote that retreat draft letter we sent to Iran too.

Trump's speech did not deescalate the situation.  I don't say that because I want Trump to fail and wage war.  I say it because I fear that is his nature.

Well, if you're going to ignore the speech and say that we're screwed anyway because that's Trump's "nature", there's not really much to discuss.

But I thought this excerpt made it clear that we were not contemplating any military action in retaliation for those missile strikes, and that is by definition a deescalation:

Our great American forces are prepared for anything. Iran appears to be standing down, which is a good thing for all parties concerned and a very good thing for the world. No American or Iraqi lives were lost because of the precautions taken, the dispersal of forces, and an early warning system that worked very well. I salute the incredible skill and courage of America’s men and women in uniform.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 05:27:33 pm
Trump: Iran 'appears to be standing down' after ballistic missile attack on US forces
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/president-trump-iran-appears-to-be-standing-down-after-ballistic-missile-attack-on-us-forces (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/president-trump-iran-appears-to-be-standing-down-after-ballistic-missile-attack-on-us-forces)
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: catfish1957 on January 08, 2020, 05:29:58 pm
If they wanted to rally their nation for a war against us, they wouldn't have fired just 15 missiles into mostly-empty bases.  They know, and Trump recognized that they knew, that they could not fight and win such a war against the U.S..  We'd wipe out their oil industry in the first 24 hours.

Now that it is crystal clear Trump used the "cultural site" threat as a bluff, I have to say the man hit a Home Run in this crisis. 

Now that Islamic terrorist know that we mean business, I venture to say that we might see less of that BS in the future.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: don-o on January 08, 2020, 05:37:58 pm
Trump's speech was outstanding.   
Agree 100%. There's a very good article looking back on the recent, 40 yrs, history with Iran. Connects a lot of dots.
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Iran and America Are Suddenly Both Naked
https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/296604/iran-and-america-are-suddenly-both-naked (https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/296604/iran-and-america-are-suddenly-both-naked)
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on January 08, 2020, 05:40:50 pm
Now that it is crystal clear Trump used the "cultural site" threat as a bluff, I have to say the man hit a Home Run in this crisis. 

Now that Islamic terrorist know that we mean business, I venture to say that we might see less of that BS in the future.

The operative phrase in all this is "escalation dominance".  Trump knew, and he also recognized that the Iranians knew, that escalation would turn out much worse for them than it would for us.  It enabled us to kill Soleimani, and when coupling that with a threat of disproportionate retaliation if Iran responded, be fairly certain Iran would have to back down.  Very well thought out strategy.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Victoria33 on January 08, 2020, 05:54:47 pm
I think now would be a great time to stand down, and reap the practical and propaganda benefits of having taken out Soleimani, made Iran look impotant, while not escalating any conflict.
@Maj. Bill Martin

Thanks for a "forward thinking" post.  What you say is what should happen.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 05:57:17 pm
Trump rips Obama's Iran policy in address to nation
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/477341-trump-rips-obamas-iran-policy-in-address-to-nation
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on January 08, 2020, 06:03:39 pm
Is it just me, or are the Democrats being remarkably quiet this morning about the killing of Soleimani?
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: thackney on January 08, 2020, 06:04:29 pm
Is it just me, or are the Democrats being remarkably quiet this morning about the killing of Soleimani?

Polling numbers must be in...
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: EdinVA on January 08, 2020, 06:05:06 pm
Is it just me, or are the Democrats being remarkably quiet this morning about the killing of Soleimani?
They got what they wanted...
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: sneakypete on January 08, 2020, 06:05:29 pm
We all knew she wasn't gonna say "Commie Secular Jews"....

@Sighlass

Not a chance! She would be ran out of NYC if she did,and America scares her.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on January 08, 2020, 06:12:58 pm
They got what they wanted...

What the Democrats wanted was a war, and that's exactly what they didn't get.  They were all set to jump on Trump the warmonger who will get more Americans killed...and it didn't happen.  They don't have a narrative now, which is why they're not talking about it.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: PeteS in CA on January 08, 2020, 06:17:44 pm
Quote
Bette Midler
@BetteMidler
·
22s
...........Iran is thousands of years old & was the first empire in history; surviving because because they are cunning, crafty, & have lots of what we do not.

Egypt. China. Assyria. Babylon. Not that I seek intelligence or knowledge from people who should shut up and sing.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Bigun on January 08, 2020, 06:24:24 pm
At this moment the Mullahs fondest wish is to rally the nation in a war against the Great Satan. We should be figuring out ways to quietly support their internal opposition right now.

 :yowsa: @skeeter!  Exactly so!
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: sneakypete on January 08, 2020, 06:25:01 pm
I was reading a story in the Newyorker that this death has unified the Iranian people against the US. I highly doubt that. I would bet a significant portion of the throngs that showed up for his funeral only went to make sure the SOB was dead.

@bigheadfred

NOT to mention to make sure that THEY didn't pique the interest of the secret police to make sure they and THEIR families didn't end up in interrogation cells.

MOST people everywhere are not all that political. They mostly want to be left free to live their lives in peace,but when you live in a fundie police state,you MUST "play the game" or you and your family could face torture and execution for being suspected of being subservises.

Most of the people in the Muddle East have been living this way for so many generations that it is all they know.

Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: sneakypete on January 08, 2020, 06:32:03 pm
  Trump was handed an absolute shit sandwich by the last Administration when it comes to Iran.  That deal was terrible, and also undercut allies who thought it gave Iran too much.  It put Iran on a clear path to ascendancy in that region, which they've been pushing and exploiting ever since.

Trump put a screeching halt to that in the last week.

I  am in complete agreement with that.

Quote
Trump rightly recognized that Iran is having real internal problems right now.  Taking out Soleimani, then staring down the Ayatollahs, is going to help rally support overseas for some truly severe sanctions.  He's rightly going to give that shot first before sending more Americans off to be killed in a war.

 More importantly,it might inspire internal opposition. After all,the mass of the Iranian people have been suffering greatly under the rule of the Mullahs,and sooner or later that has to come to a boil. NOBODY likes living in fear for themselves and their families on a daily basis.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Bigun on January 08, 2020, 06:32:29 pm
Agree 100%. There's a very good article looking back on the recent, 40 yrs, history with Iran. Connects a lot of dots.
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Iran and America Are Suddenly Both Naked
https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/296604/iran-and-america-are-suddenly-both-naked (https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/296604/iran-and-america-are-suddenly-both-naked)

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Thanks @don-o
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: skeeter on January 08, 2020, 06:46:49 pm
If they wanted to rally their nation for a war against us, they wouldn't have fired just 15 missiles into mostly-empty bases.  They know, and Trump recognized that they knew, that they could not fight and win such a war against the U.S..  We'd wipe out their oil industry in the first 24 hours.

They didn't want to be seen as the aggressor, as they made clear in their communiques. They claimed to be acting defensively. If they killed alot of people no one would buy the 'we were victimized' line.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: catfish1957 on January 08, 2020, 06:53:01 pm
Egypt. China. Assyria. Babylon. Not that I seek intelligence or knowledge from people who should shut up and sing.

Funny how a recording contract can turn a dumbass into an expert in world affairs.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Bigun on January 08, 2020, 07:33:11 pm
Agree 100%. There's a very good article looking back on the recent, 40 yrs, history with Iran. Connects a lot of dots.
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Iran and America Are Suddenly Both Naked
https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/296604/iran-and-america-are-suddenly-both-naked (https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/296604/iran-and-america-are-suddenly-both-naked)

This article is well worthy of its own thread @don-o @mystery-ak
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 08, 2020, 09:03:53 pm
I bet the last administration wrote that retreat draft letter we sent to Iran too.

Trump's speech did not deescalate the situation.  I don't say that because I want Trump to fail and wage war.  I say it because I fear that is his nature.
Trump extended an olive branch, speaking of an alternate course which would benefit Iran and the Iranian People. It comes with conditions, and he also asked the rest of NATO to become more involved in the region to enforce the intolerance of State sponsored terrorism.

The door is open to deescalation, while simply stating that escalation won't be well received.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mountaineer on January 08, 2020, 09:06:21 pm
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Barzan Sadiq   @BarzanSadiq

16m
#BREAKING
Multiple blasts heard in GreenZone, central #Baghdad.

Two Katyusha rockets fell near #US embassy in central Baghdad. embassy’s sirens heard. https://twitter.com/BarzanSadiq/status/1215015010805649410

https://twitter.com/i/status/1215015010805649410

 :shrug:
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Adam Townsend @adamscrabble

Katyusha = big bottle rockets, imprecise, rusty relics. Rarely hit enemy target, nobody wants to drive the trucks, kills lots of their own, so there's that...

Quote Tweet Barzan Sadiq  @BarzanSadiq
Two Katyusha rockets fell near #US embassy in central Baghdad. embassy’s sirens heard. https://pic.twitter.com/vNvz6cXT2f

4:08 PM · Jan 8, 2020
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: libertybele on January 08, 2020, 09:08:51 pm
What the Democrats wanted was a war, and that's exactly what they didn't get.  They were all set to jump on Trump the warmonger who will get more Americans killed...and it didn't happen.  They don't have a narrative now, which is why they're not talking about it.

Gee, looks like they won't be able to add this event to their articles of impeachment --- so Nancy I'm sure will be sending over those articles of impeachment any day now.   :whistle:
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 09:10:42 pm
US military had advance warning of Iranian ballistic missile attack, officials say
https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-military-iran-iraq-missile-attack-warning-officials (https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-military-iran-iraq-missile-attack-warning-officials)
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: DCPatriot on January 08, 2020, 09:13:51 pm

...

Trump's speech did not deescalate the situation.  I don't say that because I want Trump to fail and wage war.  I say it because I fear that is his nature.


I totally agree with you, regarding "..his nature".   This running shitshow is going on 4 years now.

Truth, he fears nobody and he's run out of f**ks to give.

Can't wait to vote for him again.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 09:18:31 pm
Marco Rubio
@marcorubio
·
12m
Natl Security officials gave a compelling briefing to Senators just now. They answered every important question.

Anyone who walks out & says they aren’t convinced action against #Soleimani was justified is either never going to be convinced or just oppose everything Trump does.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mountaineer on January 08, 2020, 09:20:33 pm
Menendez said he was "unsatisfied." Schumer claims the administration people walked out when the Dems started asking hard questions. I'd say they're both full of poo.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2020, 09:21:07 pm
ABC News
@ABC
·
41s
"I was deeply surprised at the lack of information presented by the administration regarding a specific imminent threat," Sen. Murphy says after briefing on intel behind U.S. strike killing Soleimani.

"... I think it is likely because it doesn't exist."
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: NavyCanDo on January 09, 2020, 12:28:42 am
After watching video of the 737 crashing, clearly engulfed in flames and falling apart as it falls there is no way that was a technical problem or a catastrophic engine failure.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 09, 2020, 12:30:50 am
Marco Rubio
@marcorubio
·
12m
Natl Security officials gave a compelling briefing to Senators just now. They answered every important question.

Anyone who walks out & says they aren’t convinced action against #Soleimani was justified is either never going to be convinced or just oppose everything Trump does.
...or approved of everything Soleimani did.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: libertybele on January 09, 2020, 12:34:22 am
Marco Rubio
@marcorubio
·
12m
Natl Security officials gave a compelling briefing to Senators just now. They answered every important question.

Anyone who walks out & says they aren’t convinced action against #Soleimani was justified is either never going to be convinced or just oppose everything Trump does.

Interesting -- he has a much different opinion than Lee.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Elderberry on January 09, 2020, 12:51:43 am
Milley says Iran launched ballistic missiles intending to kill

Military Times by  Meghann Myers and Valerie Insinna 1/8/2020

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/01/08/milley-says-iran-launched-ballistic-missiles-intending-to-kill/ (https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/01/08/milley-says-iran-launched-ballistic-missiles-intending-to-kill/)

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The Pentagon’s top military adviser believes that when Iran launched missiles at two Iraqi coalition bases on Tuesday night, they were looking for casualties.

Army Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told reporters Wednesday at the Pentagon that it’s his assessment Iran missed its intended targets at the Al Asad and Erbil air bases, contradicting reports that the victimless strike was meant to make a point but offer Iran a chance to deescalate tensions.

“Bottom line is, in my professional assessment, at Al Asad ... the points of impact were close enough to personnel and equipment and so on and so forth ― I believe, based on what I saw and what I know, that they were intended to cause structural damage, destroy vehicles and aircraft, and to kill personnel,” he said.

Milley added that it was his own personnel assessment, and that intelligence analysts are doing their own investigation now.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on January 09, 2020, 04:20:04 am
ABC News
@ABC
·
41s
"I was deeply surprised at the lack of information presented by the administration regarding a specific imminent threat," Sen. Murphy says after briefing on intel behind U.S. strike killing Soleimani.

"... I think it is likely because it doesn't exist."

Nobody seems to be disputing that Soleimani was closely involved with ordering and organizing attacks intended to kill Americans. That was his freaking job.  Being able to point to a specific one at a given moment is completely irrelevant to the nature of the threat he presents.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 09, 2020, 05:08:07 am
Looks like this is how we are dispersed over there:

Infographic: US troops across the Middle East
(https://vid.alarabiya.net/images/2020/01/08/ba97e9b3-f6e3-43d8-9e80-b3e00f351206/ba97e9b3-f6e3-43d8-9e80-b3e00f351206.png)
https://english.alarabiya.net/en/features/2020/01/07/Infographic-US-troops-across-the-Middle-East.html
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Wingnut on January 09, 2020, 05:10:37 am
Interesting -- he has a much different opinion than Lee.

Lee  looked like a tweeker in his moment in front of the mic.  All hopped up.  Bug-eyed. 
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: sneakypete on January 09, 2020, 05:58:29 am
Nobody seems to be disputing that Soleimani was closely involved with ordering and organizing attacks intended to kill Americans. That was his freaking job.  Being able to point to a specific one at a given moment is completely irrelevant to the nature of the threat he presents.

@Maj. Bill Martin

Senator Murphy knows that. He's just trying to drive on both sides of the road.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 09, 2020, 12:44:28 pm

Heritage Foundation's Daily Signal:

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What’s Next for the US and Iran
Daniel Davis / @JDaniel_Davis / January 09, 2020

...

Joining me now to unpack the latest developments is Luke Coffey, director of the Allison Center for Foreign Policy at The Heritage Foundation. Luke, thanks for your time.

...

Davis: So, on Tuesday night, Iran launched over a dozen rockets at a U.S. base in Iraq. This was in response to the U.S. having killed its top general, Qassim Suleimani. What do you think Iran’s objective was?

Coffey: Well, their objective was to show that they are striking back against the United States to save face in the eyes of their public, but to do so in a way that does not provoke the United States even more to retaliate back.

More at: https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/01/09/whats-next-for-the-us-and-iran/ (https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/01/09/whats-next-for-the-us-and-iran/)

When the Iranians or their proxies were firing missiles at our embassy, I read (and can find it if anyone needs to see it) one of the missiles hit a nearby apartment building and killed some people per some reports, people, Iraqis living in the building.

For keeping up with the news, the usually US-friendly,  Iraqi News  (https://www.iraqinews.com/) seems to have gone down but that's been that way for 3 or 4 weeks.

Just like the formally informative  The Tower  (http://www.thetower.org/), news seemingly from Israel has now been down a good half year....

Maybe these sites were not profitable to keep up.

Iran will continue to make statements for internal consumption I believe, we must have a lot of eyes, a lot of people watching them... because they play a game of distrust really.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 09, 2020, 04:48:45 pm
'Skimpy outcome': Iran's missile attacks took out one helicopter, nine tents, and some tools
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/skimpy-outcome-iraq-missile-attacks-took-out-one-helicopter-and-nine-tents (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/skimpy-outcome-iraq-missile-attacks-took-out-one-helicopter-and-nine-tents)
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Wingnut on January 09, 2020, 05:40:50 pm
'Skimpy outcome': Iran's missile attacks took out one helicopter, nine tents, and some tools
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/skimpy-outcome-iraq-missile-attacks-took-out-one-helicopter-and-nine-tents (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/skimpy-outcome-iraq-missile-attacks-took-out-one-helicopter-and-nine-tents)

And a passenger jet......
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: DB on January 09, 2020, 05:48:10 pm
And a passenger jet......

With people on it.

On their own territory.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Lando Lincoln on January 09, 2020, 09:30:43 pm
And a passenger jet......

A Ukrainian passenger jet.  The guy who pulled the trigger is named Boris.  Weird. 
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Wingnut on January 09, 2020, 09:32:47 pm
A Ukrainian passenger jet.  The guy who pulled the trigger is named Boris.  Weird.

Da.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Snarknado on January 09, 2020, 10:06:29 pm
And don't forget the 52 people trampled to death at the funeral. It seemed odd that there were dozens of Canadians on the flight...
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 09, 2020, 10:13:19 pm
And don't forget the 52 people trampled to death at the funeral. It seemed odd that there were dozens of Canadians on the flight...

Not that odd.  A large number of the Canadians are naturalized citizens from Iran, I read in one of these posts.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: WhatWouldReaganDo on January 09, 2020, 10:57:04 pm
After watching video of the 737 crashing, clearly engulfed in flames and falling apart as it falls there is no way that was a technical problem or a catastrophic engine failure.
Even an explosion of flammable fuel vapors in the center fuel tank?
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 09, 2020, 11:35:58 pm
Even an explosion of flammable fuel vapors in the center fuel tank?

Ignited by a frayed wire, no doubt.  wink777
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Wingnut on January 09, 2020, 11:41:01 pm
Ignited by a frayed wire, no doubt.  wink777

No. It was caused by an electrostatic discharge that ignited leaking hydrogen. :smokin:
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 09, 2020, 11:48:14 pm
Raman Ghavami
@Raman_Ghavami
#Breaking
The source just told me that 34 more commanders by the IRGC’s intelligence organisation have been arrested.
“All of them were loyal to Qasem Soleimani”, the source says.

This source is preparing to leave Iran.
 This is turning into something very different.

Read the thread:  https://twitter.com/Raman_Ghavami/status/1214921866789478401

Apparently Iran is rounding them up.  Something hidden is going on.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Bigun on January 10, 2020, 12:17:53 am
Even an explosion of flammable fuel vapors in the center fuel tank?

And all of those people, even the highly trained ones, who saw missiles rising were smoking dope!
 
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: sneakypete on January 10, 2020, 12:36:12 am
And don't forget the 52 people trampled to death at the funeral. It seemed odd that there were dozens of Canadians on the flight...

@Snarknado

LOTS of eastern Europeans hauled ass out of Europe for Canada the first chance they got. Now that they have Canadian or US citizenship,they don't mind going back to visit relatives.

Although I do know one Russian woman who is now living in Spain,and she hates Russia so much she pays to have her mother fly to Spain to visit her,rather than her going back to Russia. What's odd is that she was a Communist Youth member with the red scarf,and a mid-level bureaucrat that worked in customs at one of the Black Sea ports before the system crashed. She married a guy I knew in Ca,and lived with him and had her mother visit her there until he died,and then she moved to Spain.

People that grew up under the Communist system and learned how to "Game it" for their own advantages until it crashed lived VERY afflicted lives. They had to be one person at work and in public,and were never even free in their minds unless they were home alone. No way are most of them going to take a chance on being caught there if something happens and the Iron Curtain drops again.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: sneakypete on January 10, 2020, 12:40:06 am
And all of those people, even the highly trained ones, who saw missiles rising were smoking dope!

@Bigun

Well,they were HIGHLY trained.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: bigheadfred on January 10, 2020, 12:47:06 am
@Bigun

Well,they were HIGHLY trained.

 :silly:
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 10, 2020, 01:33:57 am
And all of those people, even the highly trained ones, who saw missiles rising were smoking dope!
Well, no one knows for sure. They were never interviewed.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: DB on January 10, 2020, 01:38:52 am
Raman Ghavami
@Raman_Ghavami
#Breaking
The source just told me that 34 more commanders by the IRGC’s intelligence organisation have been arrested.
“All of them were loyal to Qasem Soleimani”, the source says.

This source is preparing to leave Iran.
 This is turning into something very different.

Read the thread:  https://twitter.com/Raman_Ghavami/status/1214921866789478401

Apparently Iran is rounding them up.  Something hidden is going on.

It looks like they may take out anyone who had knowledge of Soleimani itinerary. Furthering the self destruction from within seeding further divisions. That one kill may end up taking out thousands of Iranians... They've probably exceeded 200 so far...
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: EdinVA on January 10, 2020, 01:54:20 am
It looks like they may take out anyone who had knowledge of Soleimani itinerary. Furthering the self destruction from within seeding further divisions. That one kill may end up taking out thousands of Iranians... They've probably exceeded 200 so far...
Just taking out the trash.  When a new "dictator" steps in he demands loyalty and any that won't give it are either done away with or arrested for kangaroo trials.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 10, 2020, 01:58:01 am
It looks like they may take out anyone who had knowledge of Soleimani itinerary. Furthering the self destruction from within seeding further divisions. That one kill may end up taking out thousands of Iranians... They've probably exceeded 200 so far...
Interesting, but look for Iraqis having accidents, too. This is the sort of paranoid purge Stalin would do.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: bigheadfred on January 10, 2020, 02:00:09 am
And don't forget the 52 people trampled to death at the funeral. It seemed odd that there were dozens of Canadians on the flight...

I read tonight it is up to 56.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: bigheadfred on January 10, 2020, 02:01:33 am
It looks like they may take out anyone who had knowledge of Soleimani itinerary. Furthering the self destruction from within seeding further divisions. That one kill may end up taking out thousands of Iranians... They've probably exceeded 200 so far...

56 dead in the stampede. 176 in the airliner crash. Yep. They are over 200.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: EdinVA on January 10, 2020, 02:04:17 am
56 dead in the stampede. 176 in the airliner crash. Yep. They are over 200.
They did more damage to themselves that they did us..
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Bigun on January 10, 2020, 02:17:25 am
Well, no one knows for sure. They were never interviewed.

Not true.  They were interviewed but the 305s got "lost".
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: bigheadfred on January 10, 2020, 02:33:11 am
They did more damage to themselves that they did us..

That is their history. I remember reading that during the Iran-Iraq war that the Iranians were snatching teenagers off the streets and putting them on the front lines as literal cannon fodder. Trying to get the Iraqi's to waste ammo.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: corbe on January 10, 2020, 02:54:34 am
Iraqi Militias Remain a Wild Card in U.S.-Iran Standoff  (WSJ)

Dion Nissenbaum, Isabel Coles
 
23 mins ago

 
BEIRUT—In the hours after President Trump declared that the U.S. and Iran were backing away from open conflict, militants in Baghdad fired two rockets that set off warning sirens at the U.S. Embassy.

The blasts late Wednesday caused little damage, but they appeared to be a sign that Iraqi militia groups aligned with Iran could still play spoilers in the volatile conflict between Washington and Tehran.

The groups have made clear they still want to exact revenge on America for last Friday’s drone strike in Baghdad.

Get news and analysis on politics, policy, national security and more, delivered right to your inbox

That U.S. attack killed not only Iranian Maj. Gen. Qassem Soleimani, Tehran’s most important military leader, but also Iraq’s top paramilitary commander, Abu Mahdi al-Mohandes. As Iran’s point man in Iraq, Mr. Mohandes played an important role in exerting control over militias that are formally part of Iraq’s security forces, but often pursue their own agendas.

<..snip..>

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iraqi-militias-remain-a-wild-card-in-us-iran-standoff/ar-BBYMULT?ocid=ientp (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iraqi-militias-remain-a-wild-card-in-us-iran-standoff/ar-BBYMULT?ocid=ientp)
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: sneakypete on January 10, 2020, 04:36:04 am
It looks like they may take out anyone who had knowledge of Soleimani itinerary. Furthering the self destruction from within seeding further divisions. That one kill may end up taking out thousands of Iranians... They've probably exceeded 200 so far...

@Cyber Liberty

Nothing mysterious about this. When a "King" dies without a named Prince to take over,the people around him who were close,but in his shadows and afraid of him,make their own grab for power by trying to arrest and execute his most loyal followers.

It's a tale as old as nations.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 10, 2020, 06:26:43 pm
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(https://thefederalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/tedcruz-998x763.jpg)

    Foreign Policy

Not One Senate Democrat Joins Resolution Commending U.S. Military For Soleimani’s Death

Commending those who killed a terrorist responsible for the loss of hundreds of American lives should not be a controversial endeavor, but apparently it is.

With the support of 42 other GOP senators, Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas introduced a resolution yesterday afternoon to commend the president for ordering “successful operations” in Iranian terrorist Qassam Soleimani’s death and to honor the members of U.S. military and intelligence agencies who aided in the targeted killing of “a terrorist responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people across the Middle East, including 603 US service members.”

Cruz hoped partisan divisions would be sufficiently and temporarily suppressed for the sake of commending the administration for destroying the mastermind behind the world’s largest state sponsor of terror. However, not one Democratic senator could marshal the courage to co-sponsor the resolution with him.

Indeed, Cruz purposely analogized the resolution to the one introduced in 2011 honoring those who ordered and assisted in the killing of Osama bin Laden. Senate Resolution 159 was introduced by Sen. Harry Reid (D-CA) just three days after U.S. forces killed bin Laden under President Obama in May 2011. That resolution was sponsored by the entire Senate, serving as an emphatic symbol of the chamber’s capacity for bipartisan statements — at least when they praise Democrats.

Read more at: https://thefederalist.com/2020/01/10/not-one-senate-democrat-joins-resolution-commending-u-s-military-for-soleimanis-death/
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: sneakypete on January 10, 2020, 06:45:20 pm

Cruz hoped partisan divisions would be sufficiently and temporarily suppressed for the sake of commending the administration for destroying the mastermind behind the world’s largest state sponsor of terror.


@TomSea

No,he didn't. I don't really trust Cruz,but anybody that thinks Cruz is an idiot is a fool. I have no doubt he is one of the smartest men in the US Senate.

Not one chance in hell that he actually thought any Dims would sign on to anything about Trump that isn't negative.  They are all serfs to their party masters.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Victoria33 on January 10, 2020, 09:37:36 pm
Not that odd.  A large number of the Canadians are naturalized citizens from Iran, I read in one of these posts.
@Cyber Liberty

That surprised me - think the number was 63 Canadians.  I saw some of the families speak in Canada, and some were dressed as they would in Iran.  I did not know that many from Iran are there.  Am so sorry they were killed - someone dying from disease sort of prepares a family for a death - but there were husbands of Iranian origin holding pictures of their wife and children.  One had a wife and a small daughter, another a wife and a small son.  One said he could not believe they were not coming back.  Their family was alive and then they were dead, just like that.

One of our family is a Captain with United Airlines and my son travels the world by airplane to make documentary films.  I worry for both of them in today's world. If you ever flew with the family United Airlines Captain, you would definitely get to the destination because he can take the plane apart and put it back together - in the air.  He is that good.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 10, 2020, 09:56:18 pm
@Victoria33

I have great respect for the Pilots.  You should be very proud!
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Victoria33 on January 10, 2020, 10:08:26 pm
@Victoria33

I have great respect for the Pilots.  You should be very proud!
@Cyber Liberty

I should have added this:
I asked him if he worried about the souls he has on board to get to their destination.  He said, "I think about ME getting there, because if I do, they do."  At the moment, he is at our house with his going to college daughter.  They go back home to another state on Sunday.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 11, 2020, 01:10:17 am
It's interesting that Pompeo says the "regional allies" have been very good, the Europeans, a bit lukewarm.
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Pompeo Complains Support For America From its European Allies is Lukewarm
Published January 10th, 2020 - 07:22 GMT

Quote
Highlights
Washington criticizes European allies for failing to fully back assassination of Iranian general.

The U.S. is facing increasing isolation in the West following its assassination last week of Qassem Soleimani, the head of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps’ (IRGC) Quds Force and second most powerful man in the country.

U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has publicly complained that America’s traditional allies in Europe have not been forceful enough in their backing of President Donald Trump’s unilateral decision to kill Soleimani in a drone strike early Friday outside Baghdad International Airport along with Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, the senior commander of Iraq’s Hashd al-Shaabi force, and eight others.

“I spent the last day and a half, two days, talking to partners in the region, sharing with them what we were doing, why we were doing it, seeking their assistance. They’ve all been fantastic. And then talking to our partners in other places that haven’t been quite as good,” Pompeo told Fox News.

Read more at: https://www.albawaba.com/news/pompeo-complains-support-america-its-european-allies-lukewarm-1332055 (https://www.albawaba.com/news/pompeo-complains-support-america-its-european-allies-lukewarm-1332055)

One twitter account I follow,  @IrinaTsukerman made a sarcastic remark in the last 2 days about an "uneventful year" so far... what has happened, all of this in just the opening days of 2020 has been some rollercoaster ride, it almost defies belief.... too much for me.

I've never been a fan of almasdarnews.com  ... they seem friendly to the other side... but that aside, here is a curious not anti-Soleimani article they publshed, real mild.  I have no idea where this news site is from.
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Qassem Soleimani’s role in the Syrian War
By  News Desk -   2020-01-10

BEIRUT, LEBANON (12:20 P.M.) - More at: https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/qassem-soleimanis-role-in-the-syrian-war/ (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/qassem-soleimanis-role-in-the-syrian-war/)

I'll bet this is where this news comes from, Beirut, anyway, they make it sound like Soleimani did not do much in Syria.  Not much to the article, pretty dull and dry.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 11, 2020, 02:07:55 am
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Terrorists In Iraq Fearing U.S. Targeting: Are Fleeing and Hiding After Soleimani Killing
By   Sara Carter -  January 8, 2020

U.S. officials have intercepted chatter and received confirmation that terrorist leaders in Iraq have been fleeing the region and have gone into hiding fearing United States intelligence capabilities after the successful airstrike that killed Iranian Quds Force leader Qassem Soleimani, according to multiple sources that spoke to SaraACarter.com.

Soleimani, the leader of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard’s Quds Force, was killed early Friday morning as he stepped off his plane and headed to the SUV at the Baghdad Airport in Iraq. The U.S. developed extraordinary actionable intelligence to target the most wanted terrorist in the world and it was a ‘precision strike’ that caught the Iranian government off guard, said a White House official, who spoke on background due to the sensitive nature of their work.

More: https://saraacarter.com/terrorists-in-iraq-fearing-u-s-capabilities-are-fleeing-and-hiding-after-soleimani-killing/
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 11, 2020, 02:09:33 am


Good.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Victoria33 on January 11, 2020, 02:26:29 am
@TomSea

You posted: "U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has publicly complained that America’s traditional allies in Europe have not been forceful enough in their backing of President Donald Trump’s unilateral decision to kill Soleimani in a drone strike early Friday outside Baghdad International Airport along with Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, the senior commander of Iraq’s Hashd al-Shaabi force, and eight others."
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Trump has called every European country leader bad names, made fun of their looks, insulted them at every opportunity just as he does every human on earth.  I knew they would not stand with us as they have in the past.  IMPOTUS -  European leaders must have clapped their hands together when that happened.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: libertybele on January 11, 2020, 03:14:21 am
@TomSea

You posted: "U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has publicly complained that America’s traditional allies in Europe have not been forceful enough in their backing of President Donald Trump’s unilateral decision to kill Soleimani in a drone strike early Friday outside Baghdad International Airport along with Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, the senior commander of Iraq’s Hashd al-Shaabi force, and eight others."
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Trump has called every European country leader bad names, made fun of their looks, insulted them at every opportunity just as he does every human on earth.  I knew they would not stand with us as they have in the past.  IMPOTUS -  European leaders must have clapped their hands together when that happened.

??? "Every" European country leader and "Every" human on earth??  Your point is made, but still an exaggeration.  IMHO in some instances Trump is correct in his assessment.  Not saying at all that he is correct in the use of name calling but he does call out those for their shortcomings, especially when if produces a negative outcome for their country.

Iran has been allowed to "bully" the rest of the world and perhaps in part others not jumping in to back Trump may be out of fear?

Frankly, I am sickened by the way that our liberal MSM and DEMS trash and obstruct the valiant efforts of this President to lead this country down a better path and feel it is an absolute disgrace and I don't doubt that the rest of the world notices.   IMHO it is shamefully unpatriotic and is contributing to the demise of this Republic.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 11, 2020, 11:05:30 am
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Iraq arrest 3 Baghdad Airport employees for leaking intel to US about Qassem Soleimani
By  News Desk -   2020-01-11

BEIRUT, LEBANON (7:00 A.M.) – The Iraqi authorities have detained three people that work at Baghdad International Airport on suspicion of leaking information about Qassem Soleimani’s movements to the Americans.

According to CNN, the Iraqi authorities did not reveal the identities of the Baghdad Airport employees, but they did say they were Iraqi citizens.

CNN stated that the Iraqi authorities have launched an investigation into the circumstances of the American strike that killed the Iranian General Qassem Soleimani.

Read more at: https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/iraq-arrest-3-baghdad-airport-employees-for-leaking-intel-to-us-about-qassem-soleimani/ (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/iraq-arrest-3-baghdad-airport-employees-for-leaking-intel-to-us-about-qassem-soleimani/)

It was revealed we had help in the Baghdad and Damascus airports and a day later, some are arrested. We don't need to always tell people how we get our data.  2 in custody in Syria the article says.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Gefn on January 11, 2020, 11:16:52 am
Iran Says It Shot Down Ukrainian Jetliner By Mistake

Updated at 4:21 a.m. ET Saturday

In a "terrible catastrophe," Iran says it mistakenly shot missiles at a Ukrainian civilian jetliner minutes after takeoff on Wednesday. The plane crashed on the outskirts of Tehran, killing 176 people.

"Armed Forces' internal investigation has concluded that regrettably missiles fired due to human error caused the horrific crash of the Ukrainian plane & death of 176 innocent people," President Hassan Rouhani wrote on Twitter early Saturday.

"Investigations continue to identify & prosecute this great tragedy & unforgivable mistake," he added.

It's a reversal from earlier statements by Iranian officials, who had repeatedly denied their own missile system shot down the plane.

https://www.npr.org/2020/01/10/795480690/iran-unintentionally-shot-down-ukrainian-jetliner-killing-176-people (https://www.npr.org/2020/01/10/795480690/iran-unintentionally-shot-down-ukrainian-jetliner-killing-176-people)
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mountaineer on January 11, 2020, 01:32:29 pm
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Iranian national armed with knives, cash detained near Mar-a-Lago
By Vincent Barone
January 10, 2020 | 6:49pm
New York Post (https://nypost.com/2020/01/10/iranian-national-armed-with-knives-cash-detained-near-mar-a-lago/)

An Iranian national carrying a machete, a pickax and $20,00 cash was detained in Palm Beach Florida Friday, after he was reported sleeping in a park five miles from President Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate, according to local police.

The man, Masoud Yareilzoleh, was carrying knives — including a machete and a pickaxe — as well as $22,000 in cash when he was taken into custody just north of Flagler Memorial Bridge, the Palm Beach Daily News reported. ...

Reminder:
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Ryan Fournier  @RyanAFournier
BREAKING: An armed Iranian national was just arrested at the Mar-a-Lago while carrying multiple weapons.
Ilhan Omar previously said that Iran should target Trump properties.
Disgusting.
5:25 PM · Jan 10, 2020·
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 11, 2020, 04:20:00 pm
Reminder:
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Ryan Fournier  @RyanAFournier
BREAKING: An armed Iranian national was just arrested at the Mar-a-Lago while carrying multiple weapons.
Ilhan Omar previously said that Iran should target Trump properties.
Disgusting.
5:25 PM · Jan 10, 2020·
Giving aid and comfort to the enemy....there's a word for that.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: EdinVA on January 11, 2020, 05:00:14 pm
Giving aid and comfort to the enemy....there's a word for that.
There was, but the dems banned it
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 11, 2020, 05:43:25 pm
The airliner being shot down is a great tragedy but it certainly breaks Iran's momentum in trying to exploit Suleimani's death for their own ends and big protests are over there, asking the regime to step down.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 11, 2020, 11:17:20 pm
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BenTallmadge
@BenKTallmadge
Britain's ambassador to Iran is ARRESTED after photographing protesters in Tehran clash with riot police as they demand the Ayatollah Resigns & calls for regime change -

https://twitter.com/BenKTallmadge/status/1216116681065418752 (https://twitter.com/BenKTallmadge/status/1216116681065418752)

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Britain's ambassador to Iran is ARRESTED for 'inciting' protesters in Tehran during clashes with riot police as they chant 'Death to liars' and demand the Ayatollah RESIGNS after country admits shooting down jet, killing 176 people

    UK Ambassador to Iran Rob Macaire arrested tonight in Tehran for allegedly 'directing radical actions'

    Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab hit out at Iran over the 'flagrant violation of international law'

    Demanded that the country make a choice between becoming a 'pariah' state or to 'deescalate tensions'

    Protests broke out at four universities in Tehran on Saturday after admitting accidentally downing plane

    Angry crowds demanded the Ayatollah's resignation and full investigation into the disaster

    But regime forces cracked down hard on the demonstrators, firing tear gas into the crowds

    Donald Trump has tweeted his support for 'long-suffering' Iranians, saying his administration is on their side 

By William Cole For Mailonline

Published: 15:59 EST, 11 January 2020 | Updated: 17:17 EST, 11 January 2020

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7877079/Britains-ambassador-Iran-ARRESTED-photographing-protesters-Tehran-clash.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7877079/Britains-ambassador-Iran-ARRESTED-photographing-protesters-Tehran-clash.html)

So, that's pretty radical news.

It mentions "Defence Secretary" of the UK, Dominic Raab, I believe he is of Indian heritage.

I'm surprised, UK has an ambassador to there,  we don't I'm sure.

Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 11, 2020, 11:50:02 pm
The airliner being shot down is a great tragedy but it certainly breaks Iran's momentum in trying to exploit Suleimani's death for their own ends and big protests are over there, asking the regime to step down.
In that sense, let us hope those people did not die in vain.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 12, 2020, 01:37:19 am
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How Quickly Could Iran Get a Nuclear Bomb?

 A former National Nuclear Security Administration coordinator explains breakout time — and why it’s getting shorter.

On Sunday, Iran updated its public stance toward the nuclear limits it accepted in 2015 as part of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, or JCPOA. “Iran’s nuclear program no longer faces any operational restrictions, including enrichment capacity, percentage of enrichment, amount of enriched material, and research and development,” its official statement said. This announcement was greeted with the expected questions:

Is Iran rushing to a nuclear bomb? How quickly could Iran get enough material for a bomb, often referred to as “breakout time”?

More at: https://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2020/01/how-quickly-could-iran-get-bomb/162283/ (https://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2020/01/how-quickly-could-iran-get-bomb/162283/)
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 12, 2020, 01:43:00 am
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Justin Trudeau casts doubt on Iran's claim that shooting down of passenger jet was an 'accident' as he calls for full investigation and demands justice for families of 57 Canadian victims

    Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau cast doubt on Iran's claim that it accidentally shot down a Urkranian jetliner early Wednesday

    Whether the shoot-down of Ukraine International Airlines Flight PS752 was really an accident was still something that still needs to be determined, he said

    Trudeau, speaking on Saturday at an update about the crash, which left 57 Canadians dead, said he was 'outraged and furious'

    Iran claimed a missile operator opened fire on the Boeing 737 because his communications jammed and he thought he had to take out an incoming missile


By Ralph R. Ortega For Dailymail.com

Published: 13:49 EST, 11 January 2020 | Updated: 16:32 EST, 11 January 2020

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau cast doubt on Iran's claim that it accidentally shot down a Ukrainian jetliner on Wednesday.

Trudeau said the shoot-down of Ukraine International Airlines Flight PS752 'is one of the issues that we certainly need better answers to,' during a news conference on Saturday.

Read more at: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7876767/Justin-Trudeau-casts-doubt-Irans-claim-Ukraine-jet-shot-accident.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7876767/Justin-Trudeau-casts-doubt-Irans-claim-Ukraine-jet-shot-accident.html)
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 12, 2020, 08:08:19 pm
It's definitely getting coverage, none of our soldiers or any other Americans hurt, a few (4) Iraqi troops hurt:

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Rockets hit Iraq base hosting US troops: military

A volley of rockets slammed into an Iraqi airbase north of Baghdad where US forces have been based, wounding four local troops, the Iraqi military said on Sunday.

Its statement said eight Katyusha-type rockets landed on Al-Balad airbase, wounding two Iraqi officers and two airmen.

Al-Balad is the main airbase for Iraq's F-16s, which it bought from the US to upgrade its air capacities.

Read more at: https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2020/1/12/rockets-hit-iraq-base-hosting-us-troops-military (https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2020/1/12/rockets-hit-iraq-base-hosting-us-troops-military)


Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Elderberry on January 13, 2020, 01:45:08 am
Trump tweets support for Iranian protesters as they demand Khamenei quit

The Jerusalem Post By LEON SVERDLOV   JANUARY 12, 2020

https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Iran-News/Iranian-protesters-demand-Khamenei-quits-over-plane-downing-613857 (https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Iran-News/Iranian-protesters-demand-Khamenei-quits-over-plane-downing-613857)

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After denials, Tehran admits “disastrous mistake,” saying air defenses were fired in error after Iranian missile strikes on US targets in Iraq

US President Donald Trump has tweeted his support to the people of Iran, saying "I've stood with you since the beginning of my Presidency."

Hundreds of Iranian protesters demanded Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei step down on Saturday after Tehran admitted that its military had mistakenly shot down a Ukrainian plane, killing all 176 people on board.

“Commander-in-chief [Khamenei] resign, resign,” videos posted on Twitter showed hundreds of people chanting in front of Tehran’s Amir Kabir university.

Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: sneakypete on January 13, 2020, 01:52:20 am
Trump tweets support for Iranian protesters as they demand Khamenei quit

The Jerusalem Post By LEON SVERDLOV   JANUARY 12, 2020

https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Iran-News/Iranian-protesters-demand-Khamenei-quits-over-plane-downing-613857 (https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Iran-News/Iranian-protesters-demand-Khamenei-quits-over-plane-downing-613857)

@Elderberry

The people that are willing to get out in the streets in Iran and protest their rulers have some serious stones! There is no equivalent in the west.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: EdinVA on January 13, 2020, 01:59:54 am
@Elderberry

The people that are willing to get out in the streets in Iran and protest their rulers have some serious stones! There is no equivalent in the west.
Yes they do...
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 13, 2020, 02:01:50 am
So much still on this issue.... here is a good tweet by Dan Crenshaw responding to an article in the NY Times:

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Dan Crenshaw
@DanCrenshawTX
But he agreed with POTUS assessment it could be embassies.

Here’s how this works: Officials receive intel & make assessments. CIA, DNI, Joint Chiefs agreed the intel was very clear & it’d be more dangerous to not act. Keep that in mind amid Dem and media efforts to discredit it.

Quote Tweet
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The New York Times
@nytimes
 Â· 9h
Breaking News: Defense Secretary Mark Esper said he didn't see any specific evidence that Iran had planned to attack 4 American embassies, as President Trump had claimed was justification for the strike that sent the U.S. and Iran to the brink of war
https://nyti.ms/35KMCpi (https://nyti.ms/35KMCpi)[/size]

https://twitter.com/DanCrenshawTX/status/1216459249062240257 (https://twitter.com/DanCrenshawTX/status/1216459249062240257)

From the Atlantic, David Frum, this is maddening stuff but I guess we need to know what is out there:

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Trump Broke It. Now He Owns It.
https://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2020/01/trump-broke-it-now-he-owns-it/162385/?oref=d-topstory (https://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2020/01/trump-broke-it-now-he-owns-it/162385/?oref=d-topstory)

Just the link on this one... apparently, he's blaming Trump for a lot of all that has happened, oh, he worked for Dubya,  David Frum  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Frum), I think some of what he says is absolutely treacherous.  A big turnoff, I didn't know he worked for Bush, I knew I had heard of him.

To another article:

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John Kerry Lashes Out at Trump, Gets Testy with CBS’s Margaret Brennan For Pointing Out Iran Nuke Deal Funded Terrorism (VIDEO)

by Cristina Laila January 12, 2020

Former Secretary of State John Kerry got very testy with CBS’s Margaret Brennan during a Sunday interview on “Face the Nation” after Brennan pointed out that the Iran nuke deal funded terrorism.

Kerry, who was the architect of the Iran nuke deal and happily gave Iran billions of dollars, lashed out at President Trump for exposing the deal to be a dangerous dance with the devil that resulted in the US funding terrorism.

Margaret Brennan played a clip from 2016 of John Kerry admitting that some of the money given to Iran will “at some point” fund the IRGC (Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps).

Read more at: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/01/john-kerry-lashes-out-at-trump-gets-testy-with-cbss-margaret-brennan-for-pointing-out-iran-nuke-deal-funded-terrorism-video/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/01/john-kerry-lashes-out-at-trump-gets-testy-with-cbss-margaret-brennan-for-pointing-out-iran-nuke-deal-funded-terrorism-video/)

For as much as I dislike Trudeau on a number of issues, here:
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Justin Trudeau casts doubt on Iran's claim that shooting down of passenger jet was an 'accident' as he calls for full investigation and demands justice for families of 57 Canadian victims
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7876767/Justin-Trudeau-casts-doubt-Irans-claim-Ukraine-jet-shot-accident.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7876767/Justin-Trudeau-casts-doubt-Irans-claim-Ukraine-jet-shot-accident.html)

So, yes, let's get all the facts.

So much but that is enough reading already.








Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: EdinVA on January 13, 2020, 02:09:03 am
So much still on this issue.... here is a good tweet by Dan Crenshaw responding to an article in the NY Times:

https://twitter.com/DanCrenshawTX/status/1216459249062240257 (https://twitter.com/DanCrenshawTX/status/1216459249062240257)

From the Atlantic, David Frum, this is maddening stuff but I guess we need to know what is out there:

Just the link on this one... apparently, he's blaming Trump for a lot of all that has happened, oh, he worked for Dubya,  David Frum  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Frum), I think some of what he says is absolutely treacherous.  A big turnoff, I didn't know he worked for Bush, I knew I had heard of him.

To another article:

For as much as I dislike Trudeau on a number of issues, here:
So, yes, let's get all the facts.

So much but that is enough reading already.
@TomSea
You are correct, lets get the fact.
The problem I am having is the volume of lies being spread by people we should be able to rely on...
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 13, 2020, 02:58:09 am
Tom Cotton on Mark Levin at 10:00 PM CST, so in about an hour whenever "Life, Liberty and Levin" comes on FOX News....it may be repeated later in the night.  The next show on FOX is on Ruby Ridge actually.

That son of the Shah was going to be on some show, lost track of that... but I saw some protester from over there saying, "We don't want the Shah or Mullahs"..

Again, Heshmat Alavi is about the best analysis of all that is going on.  Keeping up with events.
https://twitter.com/HeshmatAlavi
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 13, 2020, 10:28:36 am
Former Senator Lieberman has been in the news saying Obama didn't get authorization for hitting terrorists in a number of Drone strikes,

This jumped out at me this morning, the head of Maple Leaf Foods, obviously Canadian is venting on the US (the company too, seems to have a recent history of social consciousness):

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Canada
‘Livid’ Maple Leaf Foods CEO takes to Twitter to express frustration over Iran plane crash
By Maryam Shah Global News

The CEO of Maple Leaf Foods took to his company’s Twitter account Sunday night to share his frustration and anger over the Iran plane crash tragedy in a series of tweets.

“I’m Michael McCain, CEO of Maple Leaf Foods, and these are personal reflections,” reads his first tweet, which quickly gained traction via retweets and likes.

“I am very angry, and time isn’t making me less angry. A MLF (Maple Leaf Foods) colleague of mine lost his wife and family this week to a needless, irresponsible series of events in Iran…”

More: https://globalnews.ca/news/6402565/maple-leaf-foods-ceo-iran-plane-crash/

These people have been through a lot... I think it's way out-of-line to somehow find fault with us.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Elderberry on January 13, 2020, 01:41:56 pm
Tensions High As Iranians Continue Protests Over Downing Of Ukrainian Jet

Radio Free Europe By RFE/RL's Radio Farda 1/12/2020

 https://www.rferl.org/a/tensions-high-as-iranians-continue-protests-over-downing-of-ukrainian-jet/30373177.html (https://www.rferl.org/a/tensions-high-as-iranians-continue-protests-over-downing-of-ukrainian-jet/30373177.html)

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As angry demonstrations broke out in Iran for a second day over the way Tehran has handled the downing of a Ukrainian passenger airliner by its air defenses, reports suggest the authorities have refrained from using excessive force to confront demonstrators.

But the situation in Tehran and in other Iranian cities was tense throughout the day on January 12, and tensions were rising as crowds began to gather for planned evening demonstrations.

Those protesters also declared "the students are vigilant and are disgusted" with Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

Meanwhile, at Isfahan University of Technology in the central Iranian city of Isfahan, protesters declared that the IRGC "commits crimes" and Iran's supreme leader "supports" them.

The latest protests in Iran come just weeks after authorities used deadly violence to quell anti-government demonstrations that began in mid-November after Tehran announced that gasoline prices in the country would be dramatically increased.

Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 13, 2020, 03:38:17 pm
Former Senator Lieberman has been in the news saying Obama didn't get authorization for hitting terrorists in a number of Drone strikes,

This jumped out at me this morning, the head of Maple Leaf Foods, obviously Canadian is venting on the US (the company too, seems to have a recent history of social consciousness):

These people have been through a lot... I think it's way out-of-line to somehow find fault with us.

Canadians are back on my list...
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Wingnut on January 13, 2020, 04:03:59 pm
Canadians are back on my list...

Yup.  Like maple syrup Canada's evil oozes over America.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: sneakypete on January 13, 2020, 04:09:43 pm
Canada can afford to have these fools in office thanks to their proximity to the US,and the fact that no one really takes Canada seriously as a nation. Any fundie Islamic terrorists that DO go to Canada,use it as a launch site to attack the US,NOT to attack Canada.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 13, 2020, 04:46:21 pm
Canadians are back on my list...
He's grieving, and rightfully so. But that grief can be manifested as anger, and is easily transferred to parties who had nothing to do with a plane being downed, even as he tries to make sense of something senseless and avoidable..

For instance, we don't know that the Iranians weren't going to launch missiles at those targets anyway.

There seems to have been no effort by Iran to keep commercial traffic out of something they anticipated to be a conflict zone in that time frame.

That a climbing aircraft with absolutely no stealth capability and of that size, not releasing ordnance nor taking evasive maneuvers, and following known flight lanes from a civil airport was shot down reflects that either the Iranians on the ground were trigger happy, scared to incontinence, or intentionally downed the plane hoping to spin it against the US in the global media somehow.  It could have been avoided with an airline flight schedule.
These are a man's personal reflections, regardless of who he is, and he doesn't speak for all Canada nor claim to.
He's upset, a colleague (who is likely a friend) lost his family, just like that, because their plane was shot down.
That was avoidable.
He needs to direct his anger toward those deserving of it.

The US didn't down the plane. It provided evidence of who did.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on January 13, 2020, 08:01:33 pm
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“I am very angry, and time isn’t making me less angry. A MLF (Maple Leaf Foods) colleague of mine lost his wife and family this week to a needless, irresponsible series of events in Iran…”

He should be angry at Iran for murdering one of our contractors, then sending its militias to attack our embassy.  That was needless, irresponsible series of events that triggered our fully justified retaliation.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 13, 2020, 11:08:46 pm
At New Mexico State University (Las Cruces), somewhat contemporaneous to the hostage crisis, in the foreign languages and more pointedly to the Spanish Department, I'm pretty sure, that there were Iranians fresh from the problems of Iran and the overthrow of the Shah and there were these fair skinned (more like Spaniards maybe) secretaries in that Spanish department, I knew they must have been dating them or something. I'm almost certain but so it goes. I didn't care one way or another back then and we had lots of International students and some of the Iranian diaspora I'd gather.

Anyway, I follow this twitter account, last week, Hamdi Rifai was upset with what Michael Moore wrote via the situation over there, now, he's on the case of Maple Leaf foods, probably rightfully, this is what he says and a few other things he has written today, I enjoy his analysis though, may not agree with everything. Also, I'm mainly quoting Hamdi's statments, go to his twitter page for full context.

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@HamdiRifaiJD
·
1h
1) Qasem Soleimani needed to be killed to save lives

2) Trump explained it to America poorly but this is no different than when we killed Anwar Alawlaki

3) Iran alone is responsible for all of the deaths of the passengers of the commercial airliner shot down

4) Democrats

https://twitter.com/HamdiRifaiJD/status/1216833259306409985
This one above is more of a general comment.

So, to the Maple Leaf food company's CEO's name is Michael McCain:
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Hamdi Rifai حمدي الرفاعي
🇺🇸
@HamdiRifaiJD
Michael McCain is a coward. 1st he drops very political & controversial views on Twitter with the belief that he has a big bullhorn here

Then he runs away & shelters himself from replies from victims of Qasem Soleimani

Apparently he’s only open to having his views heard
https://twitter.com/HamdiRifaiJD/status/1216801485914284041

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Hamdi Rifai حمدي الرفاعي
🇺🇸
@HamdiRifaiJD
·
5h
Why wasn’t he moved to speak out when it was Soleimani doing the killing and instability?

Maybe if he cared before he was personally affected it would have made a difference?

What happens in Syria doesn’t stay in Syria!
https://twitter.com/HamdiRifaiJD/status/1216768973787844609

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Hamdi Rifai حمدي الرفاعي
🇺🇸
@HamdiRifaiJD
Why wasn’t he moved to speak out when it was Soleimani doing the killing and instability?

Maybe if he cared before he was personally affected it would have made a difference?

What happens in Syria doesn’t stay in Syria!
https://twitter.com/HamdiRifaiJD/status/1216768973787844609

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Hamdi Rifai حمدي الرفاعي
🇺🇸
@HamdiRifaiJD
These kind of folks only care when these horrific events affect them personally.

 Maple Leaf Foods CEO expresses anger at US government over Iran

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIpH_88WsAAh7gd?format=jpg&name=small)

So, he, like many of, he doesn't let go of this and it obviously upsets him. There's a few more. I hope Mr. McCain hears some of what Hamdi's saying here.  Hamdi and so many others from over there, are glad Soleimani got whacked big time.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 13, 2020, 11:12:57 pm
Speaking of al-Awlaki mentioned above, born in Las Cruces, parents were from Yemen, they were students apparently in student housing there, NMSU. There were quite a few international students.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki  who we did a drone strike on, who was dangerous. Not sure where he got all of his background, obviously, a dangerous terrorist.

Right after the Shah was out of office and the Mullahs in office, there was a big guy, "Haj", he said he had the traditional story of an immigrant coming to this country, only a few possessions and maybe a $100 or so but he was probably a pretty fine person as far as all that goes. No privilege at all.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: bigheadfred on January 14, 2020, 12:24:50 am
If you speak out against islam you end up a dead rascist.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 14, 2020, 12:52:57 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOK9jKSXkAEaqC4.jpg)
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Elderberry on January 14, 2020, 02:47:49 am
European Powers Urge Iran To Stick To 2015 Nuclear Deal

Radio Free Europe 1/12/2020

https://www.rferl.org/a/european-powers-urge-iran-to-stick-to-2015-nuclear-deal/30373278.html (https://www.rferl.org/a/european-powers-urge-iran-to-stick-to-2015-nuclear-deal/30373278.html)

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Germany, France, and Great Britain have urged Tehran to stick by the terms of the 2015 deal that restricted Iran's nuclear program in exchange for sanctions relief.

In a joint statement on January 12, German Chancellor Angela Merkel, French President Emmanuel Macron, and British Prime Minister Boris Johnson said that "it is essential that Iran return to full compliance with its commitment under the agreement."

Iran said last week that it no longer considered itself bound by the agreement, from which the United States withdrew in 2018.

U.S. President Donald Trump called the deal "fatally flawed," in part because it did not restrict Tehran's ballistic-missile program or address its support for terrorist groups in the Middle East.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: DB on January 14, 2020, 02:56:40 am
Europe better not be throwing Iran a lifeline.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Elderberry on January 14, 2020, 02:59:33 am
VIDEO: Iran protesters refuse to trample US and Israeli flags painted in their path

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/01/video-iran-protesters-refuse-to-trample-us-and-israeli-flags-painted-in-their-path/ (https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/01/video-iran-protesters-refuse-to-trample-us-and-israeli-flags-painted-in-their-path/)

American Military News by  Theresa Braine 1/13/2020

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As protests swept Iran after its downing of a Ukrainian passenger plane last week, demonstrators pointedly walked around the U.S. and Israeli flags painted at the entranceway to Shahid Beheshti University campus, refusing to trample them.

The move was an apparent show of defiance against Iran’s government, reported BBC News, as the flags are put there on purpose to encourage pedestrians to disrespect them by treading on them.

“The flags were painted on the ground so that those walking along the route would thereby insult both countries — which Iran considers staunch enemies,” BBC News said.

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=AHc0wUFE4T0&feature=emb_logo#)
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 14, 2020, 03:07:52 am
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Canada getting access to black boxes from downed Ukrainian airliner - but role in investigation still unclear

'We do not yet fully know what the scope of our role will be,' says the TSB's Kathy Fox.
Peter Zimonjic · CBC News

More: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tsb-briefing-downed-plane-investigation-1.5425174 (https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tsb-briefing-downed-plane-investigation-1.5425174)
.
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Nazee Moinian: Trump 'understands that empowering the Iranian people may be the answer'
By Victor Garcia | Fox News

Nazee Moinian, a former consultant on Iran at the Council on Foreign Relations, appeared on "The Story with Martha MacCallum" Monday to discuss the protests in that country and President Trump's impact in the region.

"The Iranian protesters have had enough of this. They don't want less. They don't want more. They want out," Moinian said. "They don't want this regime to represent them. Actually, this regime does not represent the people."

Anti-government protests have roiled Iran since Saturday, with thousands of demonstrators calling for a regime change and chanting “death to the dictator” after the government's reluctant admission that it shot down a Ukrainian passenger plane.   

Read more at: https://www.foxnews.com/media/iranian-scholar-says-trump-understands-that-empowering-the-iranian-people-may-be-the-answer (https://www.foxnews.com/media/iranian-scholar-says-trump-understands-that-empowering-the-iranian-people-may-be-the-answer)
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 14, 2020, 12:09:56 pm
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US troops describe ‘miraculous’ escape at Iraqi base attacked by Iran
Reuters, Ain Al-Assad Air Base, Iraq Tuesday, 14 January 2020

Troops at the Iraqi air base that bore the brunt of Iran’s first direct missile attack against US forces said they were shocked by its intensity and grateful to emerge unscathed.

The scale of the damage at the Ain al-Assad base showed Iran’s destructive capability at a time when US officials say they are still concerned that Iran-backed groups across the region could wage attacks on the United States.

“It’s miraculous no one was hurt,” Lt Col Staci Coleman, the US air force officer who runs the airfield, told reporters on Monday at the vast base deep in the western Anbar desert in Iraq, where 1,500 Americans were deployed.

Read more at: https://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2020/01/14/US-troops-describe-miraculous-escape-at-Iraqi-base-attacked-by-Iran.html
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: catfish1957 on January 14, 2020, 01:51:43 pm
Just think how the narrative and direction of this event would have changed if there would have been American casualties.

I don't believe in Angels...   But......
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: mystery-ak on January 14, 2020, 02:56:48 pm
Iran announces arrests over shootdown of Ukrainian jetliner
https://nypost.com/2020/01/14/iran-announces-arrests-over-shootdown-of-ukrainian-jetliner-special-courts/
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: sneakypete on January 14, 2020, 02:58:57 pm

Anti-government protests have roiled Iran since Saturday, with thousands of demonstrators calling for a regime change and chanting “death to the dictator” after the government's reluctant admission that it shot down a Ukrainian passenger plane.   


@TomSea

It just doesn't get any plainer than that,does it?

I can already hear the Dims screaming about how Trump is destroying foreign governments. The collapse of the Iranian fundie government will not only cost prominent Dims to lose billions in kickbacks,but will also be a major setback to their goal of a worldwide revolution that would lead to One World Government,Inc,under their control.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: sneakypete on January 14, 2020, 03:05:21 pm
Just think how the narrative and direction of this event would have changed if there would have been American casualties.

I don't believe in Angels...   But......

@catfish1957

Trump would have struck back,and I strongly suspect the citizens know this,and it is a large part of the reason why they are so fed up and demanding changes.

And of course the Dims will be screaming about how Trump is starting wars and terrifying people because he just refuses to go along with the wishes of Allah.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 14, 2020, 03:32:39 pm
I can already hear the Dims screaming about how Trump is destroying foreign governments.

@sneakypete

Impeachment Article V.

Recap:

Article III:  Executing a beloved Iranian warlord
Article IV:  Causing Iran to shoot down an airliner
Article V:  Causing regime change in Iran
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 14, 2020, 04:00:34 pm
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BNO News
@BNONews
Iran's missile attack on U.S. forces in Iraq threw 2 soldiers through a window and "several dozen" U.S. service members were treated for concussion; officials had previously said there were no injuries - WaPo
9:50 AM · Jan 14, 2020·TweetDeck

https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1217111646482640896

So, they are quoting Washington Post. We will see if we hear more about this.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 14, 2020, 05:15:52 pm
This website, "iranian.com" is surely put together by Pro-Iran sources, maybe they even have lobbyists there in Washington:

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All the Times the US Allied With Soleimani Against Common Enemies, Giving Him Air Support
by Juan Cole

Since the U.S. political establishment and press has been demonizing Gen. Qasem Soleimani since he was rubbed out by Trump, it is perhaps worth complicating the story—especially now that Trump is accusing him of having targeted not one but four U.S. embassies. Trump is a notorious and compulsive liar, and there is no reason to think that charge is true. The prime minister of Iraq says he invited Soleimani to Baghdad for peace negotiations with Saudi Arabia and then Trump just suddenly blew his guest away. Soleimani came openly on a commercial flight and went through passport control with his diplomatic passport. His arrival in Baghdad was not part of a covert operation to hit Americans. Nor did Soleimani, as Wolf Blitzer breathlessly reported on CNN kill “millions” (when? where?).

Nor was he a terrorist; terrorists are non-state actors. He was a general in the Iranian military. Soleimani fought in the Iran-Iraq War of 1980-88, which was a defensive war on Iran’s part, since Iraq aggressively invaded under Saddam Hussein. The United States supported Saddam to the hilt in his aggression. So you’d have to say that in the 1980s Soleimani was doing something heroic, whereas the Reagan administration was doing something shameful. Reagan even ran interference for Saddam at the U.N. when Iran brought a complaint about the Iraqi use of chemical weapons.

In the 1980s and 1990s, Soleimani trained the Badr Corps, the Iraqi paramilitary of the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI), which is now the Islamic Supreme Council of Iraq.

Read more at: https://iranian.com/2020/01/11/all-the-times-the-us-allied-with-soleimani-against-common-enemies-giving-him-air-support-at-tikrit/ (https://iranian.com/2020/01/11/all-the-times-the-us-allied-with-soleimani-against-common-enemies-giving-him-air-support-at-tikrit/)

It says this, above was from the website "Common Dreams", I've seen that website, Marxist I'd say.

Daily Beast:

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Trump Admin Walks Back Anti-MEK Memo
CUT-AND-RUN

The State Department ordered employees days ago not to meet with an Iranian dissident outfit close to Rudy Giuliani and other Trumpworld figures. Now, the memo is being overridden.
Betsy Swan
Erin Banco
Asawin Suebsaeng
Updated Jan. 13, 2020 8:03PM ET / Published Jan. 13, 2020 7:07PM ET

At whiplash speed, the State Department is walking back an order barring American diplomats from meeting with controversial Iranian dissident groups—including one close with Trump World allies and previously designated as a terror group, the Mujahedeen-e-Khalq (MEK). The initial memo, greenlit by a career State Department employee, angered Congressional Iran hawks. And the Department’s move to change its guidance has drawn cheers from them.

The first memo, first reported by Bloomberg and reviewed by The Daily Beast, included sober warnings against meeting with the MEK, pointing to its terrorist past and saying most everyday Iranians have a low view of the group. The memo also warned about interactions with the Democratic Party of Iranian Kurdistan, highlighting its attacks on Iranian military targets; and directed diplomats to get permission from State Department headquarters before meeting with members of an Azeri separatist group. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo sent out the memo on January 7, and it cautioned that meetings with these groups could undermine U.S. efforts to reach a deal with Tehran. Joey Hood, a senior career State Department official, approved the memo, according to the document The Daily Beast reviewed.

More: https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-administration-walks-back-anti-mek-memo (https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-administration-walks-back-anti-mek-memo)

A few other articles there, one source, I would not repost. It's got rightfully a bad name.


Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 14, 2020, 09:16:38 pm
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Jerusalem Post Middle East
Five rockets fired on US army base in Iraq
According to the Iraqi military, there were no casualties.
By JERUSALEM POST STAFF, REUTERS   JANUARY 14, 2020 22:57

Five Katyusha rockets were fired at US army base Camp Taji, north of Baghdad on Tuesday evening, Arab media reported.

The attack has been described as "fierce," with one rocket landing near the gates according to the BBC, but reportedly no rocket hit the base itself.

According to a statement by the Iraqi military there were no casualties; The US-led military coalition fighting Islamic State also said no troops were affected in the attack.

See more at: https://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Rockets-fired-on-US-army-base-in-Iraq-Report-614172 (https://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Rockets-fired-on-US-army-base-in-Iraq-Report-614172)

But the drone per below, I read came from Qatar...
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Jerusalem Post Middle East
Iran threatens retaliation against Greece for US use of military bases
Greek Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis supported the killing of Qasem Soleimani
By BENJAMIN WEINTHAL   JANUARY 14, 2020 22:09

The Islamic Republic of Iran launched a new round of saber-rattling by declaring last week that it will retaliate against Greece if Athens allows the US to use military bases against Tehran.

The Greek paper Kathimerini reported on Monday that Iran’s regime said the use of US military bases in Greece would be considered a “hostile act” and the clerical regime would  respond “in a clear and decisive manner.”

The paper wrote that “The warning came in a letter sent by the Iranian embassy in Athens to Kathimerini, which was published on January 10 in the column Readers’ Letters. It was commenting on an article published in the newspaper on January 6, which stated that ‘Greece will have some involvement’ in case of a US operation against Iran, ‘though not with a warship… due to the extremely fragile balance’ in the Eastern Mediterranean.”

See more at:  https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Iran-threatens-retaliation-against-Greece-for-US-use-of-military-bases-614185 (https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Iran-threatens-retaliation-against-Greece-for-US-use-of-military-bases-614185)

Then, lastly, I dismissed reading about this earlier because the time stamps are off I heard but the NY Times declares it "authentic", video of the two missiles that hit the jet. Well, there's a bit of an overlap with this and the "Ukrainian Jet" story, probably best to soon let one or both go in the regular forum.

Okay, I'm having a slow net feed but this last story is out there much. I just saw still frames, not the whole video.


Israel is probably bombing some Iranian interests as well, bombing drones so they can not be used against Israel by their foes...




Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 15, 2020, 12:19:10 am
Syrian official helped in intelligence in getting Soleimani, just so we didn't kill him in Syria.

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Syrian official gave US intel on Soleimani whereabouts - report
The source said that the official, who has been in contact with the Americans for a long time, had set a condition that the Americans would not eliminate Soleimani in Syria.
By YASSER OKBI/MAARIV   JANUARY 14, 2020 16:37

A senior Western intelligence source told the London-based paper The Independent Arabic that a senior Syrian official gave American intelligence information on Qasem Soleimani's movements in Syria, provided that the assassination would not be carried out on Syrian soil.

The source, who was aware of the incident, added that the official had leaked accurate and important information to US intelligence on Soleimani's movements in Syria, and even informed them of the date of travel and the information regarding his civilian aircraft and escort details.

Read more at: https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Syrian-official-gave-US-intel-on-Soleimani-whereabouts-report-614143 (https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Syrian-official-gave-US-intel-on-Soleimani-whereabouts-report-614143)

It could just be a smokescreen, just someone saying this...too, Iran was and surely, is still powerful in Syria. This might have helped set them back a little, good for Russia at least.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 15, 2020, 12:42:28 am
Syrian official helped in intelligence in getting Soleimani, just so we didn't kill him in Syria.

It could just be a smokescreen, just someone saying this...too, Iran was and surely, is still powerful in Syria. This might have helped set them back a little, good for Russia at least.
Well, it would be a bit of a dirty trick to leak information that would point to an actual bad guy being the source and let his cronies take care of it....
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: bigheadfred on January 15, 2020, 12:53:45 am
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terrorists are non-state actors

What a load.

What is the difference between a terrorist and a war criminal?
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 15, 2020, 12:56:25 am
What a load.

What is the difference between a terrorist and a war criminal?
With a war criminal, someone declared a war, otherwise, it's just terrorism.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: bigheadfred on January 15, 2020, 12:59:14 am
With a war criminal, someone declared a war, otherwise, it's just terrorism.

Right. So we have that. The war on terror.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 15, 2020, 08:21:16 pm
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Flashpoints
Iran’s support to the Taliban, which has included MANPADS and a bounty on US troops, could be a spoiler for peace in Afghanistan
Shawn Snow

 As the U.S. looks to withdraw its troops from Afghanistan, recent tensions coupled with Iran’s history of meddling in the country could jeopardize talks between the U.S. and the Taliban to end the 18-year long conflict.

U.S. military intelligence assessments dating back to 2010 suggest Iran’s elite paramilitary unit, the Quds Force, has track record of providing training and lethal arms to the Taliban. The list includes portable shoulder-fired air-defense systems known as MANPADS.

While the level of that support from Tehran does not appear to be a game changer on the battlefield, the recent succession of the former head of Iran’s Quds Force branch in Afghanistan, Brig. Gen. Esmail Ghaani, to be the top commander of the elite Iranian unit could amplify Iran’s destabilization efforts in Afghanistan.

 More: https://www.airforcetimes.com/flashpoints/2020/01/14/iran-support-to-the-taliban-which-has-included-manpads-and-a-bounty-on-us-troops-could-be-a-spoiler-for-peace-in-afghanistan/ (https://www.airforcetimes.com/flashpoints/2020/01/14/iran-support-to-the-taliban-which-has-included-manpads-and-a-bounty-on-us-troops-could-be-a-spoiler-for-peace-in-afghanistan/)
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 16, 2020, 02:01:02 am
Various Senators recognize Iranian protests, condemn retaliation:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOWgLSsX0AAbE6v?format=png&name=900x900)

Source: https://twitter.com/A_Jafarzadeh/status/1217555394421280769

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Alireza Jafarzadeh
@A_Jafarzadeh
U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee & Sens. Lindsey Graham, Martha McSally, James Lankford, Marco Rubio, Joni Ernst & Mitt Romney introduced a resolution making clear the United States Senate stands with the Iranian people. #FreeIran2020
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: sneakypete on January 16, 2020, 03:00:11 am
@TomSea

They have no real power to do anything in this situation,but I am still glad they did it. Those people need all the international support they can get.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on January 17, 2020, 03:20:15 am
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/16/politics/service-members-injured-iran-strike/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/16/politics/service-members-injured-iran-strike/index.html)

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US troops were injured in Iran missile attack despite Pentagon initially saying there were no casualties

 (CNN)Several US service members were injured during last week's Iranian missile attack on Al-Asad airbase in Iraq despite the Pentagon initially saying that no casualties had taken place.

"While no U.S. service members were killed in the Jan. 8 Iranian attack on Al Asad Air base, several were treated for concussion symptoms from the blast and are still being assessed," the US-led military coalition fighting ISIS in Iraq and Syria said in a statement Thursday.

"Out of an abundance of caution, service members were transported from Al Asad Air Base, Iraq to Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in Germany for follow-on screening. When deemed fit for duty, the service members are expected to return to Iraq following screening," the statement added.

A US military official told CNN that 11 service members had been injured in the attack, which was launched in retaliation for the US airstrikes that had killed Iranian Gen. Qasem Soleimani the previous week. Defense One was first to report on the injured service members.

more at link.

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1214739853025394693 (https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1214739853025394693)
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

All is well! Missiles launched from Iran at two military bases located in Iraq. Assessment of casualties & damages taking place now. So far, so good! We have the most powerful and well equipped military anywhere in the world, by far! I will be making a statement tomorrow morning.
8:45 PM · Jan 7, 2020
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: sneakypete on January 17, 2020, 05:39:27 am

"While no U.S. service members were killed in the Jan. 8 Iranian attack on Al Asad Air base, several were treated for concussion symptoms from the blast and are still being assessed," the US-led military coalition fighting ISIS in Iraq and Syria said in a statement Thursday.

"Out of an abundance of caution, service members were transported from Al Asad Air Base, Iraq to Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in Germany for follow-on screening. When deemed fit for duty, the service members are expected to return to Iraq following screening," the statement added.

@Once-Ler

Good for the US Air Farce! I can remember a time when the US military didn't take concussions so seriously.  I went through several months when I seemed to be living in some sort of fog. I could remember who I was,but not where I was supposed to be or what I was supposed to be doing. Which WOULD have been a golden opportunity for me to have some fun if I had understood what was going on.


Ok,ok. I SORTA remember a time when they didn't take concussions so seriously.  MOST of us are lucky,but a concussion can be a VERY serious thing.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: PeteS in CA on January 17, 2020, 10:25:52 pm
Is the, "Iran intentionally missed," narrative a casualty of this news?
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 17, 2020, 11:18:55 pm
Is the, "Iran intentionally missed," narrative a casualty of this news?

Maybe, but the Rats will run this by the Permanent Select Committee on Impeachment, to trump up another Article in the never-ending Impeachment of 45.  Mad Maxine's moist dream.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 18, 2020, 12:32:00 pm
No reason given. They were finally allowing women to see the games... and now this??
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Iran Banned from Hosting International Football
Friday, 17 January, 2020

 Asharq Al-Awsat
Iran's football federation said Friday it has been told it will not be hosting any international matches on Iranian soil.

The federation said it received a letter from the Asian Football Confederation saying that all matches involving Iranian teams will be held in a third country.

The Iranians did not say if any reason was given or if the decision is related to the accidental shootdown of a Ukrainian jetliner last week, which killed all 176 people on board.

Read more at: https://aawsat.com/english/home/article/2087626/iran-banned-hosting-international-football
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 19, 2020, 03:08:29 am
This is a pretty impressive detail from John Cardillo's twitter account:

Quote
John Cardillo
@johncardillo
Full text of the JCPOA:

https://europarl.europa.eu/cmsdata/122460/full-text-of-the-iran-nuclear-deal.pdf

On page 86, Soleimani (Soleymani) is one of those protected under the deal.

Let’s be clear. Obama gave blanket immunity to the world’s deadliest terrorist and warned him when Israel had him in the crosshairs.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOHmC1bXUAIygY1?format=jpg&name=medium)

Read more and see full exhibit at: https://twitter.com/johncardillo/status/1216506314517635073

Cardillo, his bio piece says, works at Newsmax. I thought he looked vaguely familiar....  Anyway, that above is pretty shocking.  Pretty important.

One of the comments reads this way:
Quote
Carpetfrog
@Carpetfrawg
Replying to
@johncardillo
In case anyone wants to dispute the spelling of his name, look on page 95, and you will see the spelling we are seeing in the media.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOLfRIEWsAEYEYU?format=jpg&name=900x900)

https://twitter.com/Carpetfrawg/status/1216780354121617408

More amazing stuff... yes, that spelling threw me some...
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 19, 2020, 03:16:55 am
More:
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A report in July 2015 in the British news service The Telegraph revealed that on page 86 of the annex of the newly agreed upon Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) known commonly as the Iran nuclear deal or Iran deal, was an interesting clause granting amnesty to Gen. Qassem Soleimani, the Iranian general killed last week in a drone strike. The Telegraph’s  Defence Editor, Con Coughlin, was astounded at the revelation, describing Soelimani (spelled Gasem Soleymani in the JCPOA) as “one of the world’s leading terrorist masterminds.”

“For a decade a more he has been the driving force behind an array of Iranian-sponsored terrorist groups, from Hizbollah to Hamas, which have orchestrated a reign of terror throughout the Middle East,” Coughlin wrote. “Thanks to Mr. Obama’s scandalous capitulation to Tehran, Mr. Suleimani has overnight gone from being one of the world’s most wanted terrorists to the White House’s newest best friend.”

 https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/143161/report-obama-granted-amnesty-to-soleimani-in-iran-deal/ (https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/143161/report-obama-granted-amnesty-to-soleimani-in-iran-deal/)

Amazing, who woulda known that? Probably mentioned on Newsmax, I'll have to try to see it when I can again.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: EdinVA on January 19, 2020, 03:19:17 am
This is a pretty impressive detail from John Cardillo's twitter account:

Cardillo, his bio piece says, works at Newsmax. I thought he looked vaguely familiar....  Anyway, that above is pretty shocking.  Pretty important.

One of the comments reads this way:
More amazing stuff... yes, that spelling threw me some...
I wonder if that was a factor in our withdrawal from the agreement..
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 21, 2020, 07:57:34 pm
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EXCLUSIVE: Secret document that PROVES Iran was building a nuclear weapon as far back as 2002 - even while they claimed the technology was only for peaceful purposes

    The document was seized as part of a raid by Israeli intelligence agents on a compound in Tehran in 2018

    It is from an Iranian official requesting the parameters of a warhead fitted on a missile in November 2002

    Scribbled in the top left corner is a note from regime's nuclear chief Moshen Fakhrizadeh, who signs off plans

    Document forms the centrepiece of an as-yet unreleased report highlighting Iran's 'clandestine' nuclear


By Jack Elsom For Mailonline

Published: 06:33 EST, 18 January 2020 | Updated: 08:04 EST, 18 January 2020

A never-seen-before secret Iranian government document proves the regime was trying to build a nuclear weapon as far back as 2002.

It shows scientists outlining their proposals for a 'warhead', which are given the green light by Tehran's top nuclear official.

The document was seized as part of a raid by Israeli intelligence agents on a compound in Tehran in 2018, and is now being exclusively revealed to the world by MailOnline.

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Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 21, 2020, 11:52:44 pm
Everyone who has claimed they were harnessing the atom for peace has built weapons.

No surprise, there.

The only surprise is that they (still) expect people to fall for that BS.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 22, 2020, 12:57:16 am
Everyone who has claimed they were harnessing the atom for peace has built weapons.

No surprise, there.

The only surprise is that they (still) expect people to fall for that BS.

Give a Muzzie 200 smoke detectors and he'll hand you a "dirty bomb," if we are to believe the hype from over a decade ago.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 22, 2020, 02:31:19 am
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UN Security Council must recognize Iran as the real Mideast aggressor, Kelly Craft says
By Ben Evansky | Fox News

UNITED NATIONS – Kelly Craft, the United States ambassador to the United Nations, called out the Security Council in a speech Tuesday, saying the world body continued to criticize Israel but failed to work toward keeping Iran in check.

Speaking at the quarterly Security Council debate on the Middle East, which historically has focused solely on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, Craft said its diplomats needed to be more active when dealing with the Tehran regime. She cited Iran arming Houthi rebels in Yemen and supporting Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

Craft told the council, “When Iran attacked tankers in the Persian Gulf and energy facilities in Saudi Arabia last year, the council was silent. When Iran provided weapons to the Houthis and Hezbollah, the council was silent. When Iran sought to prop up the Assad regime’s brutal repression of its own people, the council was silent. And, it is not though Iran’s malign behavior occurs without this council’s knowledge. It has been well documented by the U.N. or is simply out in the open.”

More on  Fox News  (https://www.foxnews.com/world/kelly-craft-iran-united-nations-security-council-israel-mideast)
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 22, 2020, 02:36:35 am
Give a Muzzie 200 smoke detectors and he'll hand you a "dirty bomb," if we are to believe the hype from over a decade ago.
How do you know they haven't seeded convenience stores and the like with radiation sources?

(Unless you pack a detector, you don't.)

Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 22, 2020, 04:16:07 am
How do you know they haven't seeded convenience stores and the like with radiation sources?

(Unless you pack a detector, you don't.)

I suppose detection would require a greater sensitivity and discrimination than an old Civil Defense Geiger counter...
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: TomSea on January 22, 2020, 05:33:11 pm
I think we will unsticky this thread and the Ukraine airliner thread. We can all still participate in those threads.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: Smokin Joe on January 23, 2020, 12:46:23 am
I suppose detection would require a greater sensitivity and discrimination than an old Civil Defense Geiger counter...
Depends on the counter.  Sensitivity varies, and they have to have been calibrated since the fall of the USSR to be something you can depend on. You can build your own, too. (Google DIY radiation detector) and that can be fairly cheap for a basic unit.
Title: Re: IRAN III News Updates Thread
Post by: DB on January 23, 2020, 01:20:32 am
Depends on the counter.  Sensitivity varies, and they have to have been calibrated since the fall of the USSR to be something you can depend on. You can build your own, too. (Google DIY radiation detector) and that can be fairly cheap for a basic unit.

I have a Heathkit one... Still works...