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House passes sweeping reform bill to decriminalize marijuana
By Alex Gangitano - 12/04/20 01:37 PM EST
The House on Friday passed sweeping legislation that would decriminalize marijuana at the federal level, the first time either chamber of Congress has voted to decriminalize cannabis.
The measure, the Marijuana Opportunity Reinvestment & Expungement Act, passed on a largely party-line vote of 228 to 164.
Six Democrats voted against the legislation and five Republicans voted for it. The bill faces an uphill battle in the GOP-controlled Senate.
DEVELOPING
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/528787-house-passes-sweeping-reform-bill-to-decriminalize-marijuana
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Excellent!
Now Trump should pardon everyone with a criminal record of possession of marijuana. Its absurd so many people are "felons" because they wanted to smoke.
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Excellent!
Now Trump should pardon everyone with a criminal record of possession of marijuana. Its absurd so many people are "felons" because they wanted to smoke.
Don't get your hopes up Snoop Dog.... This getting passed by the Senate has a chance of near zero.
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Don't get your hopes up Snoop Dog.... This getting passed by the Senate has a chance of near zero.
Oh I'm painfully aware haha. A boy can dream. Waiting on florida to go recreational.
Planning my trip to oregon!
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Oh I'm painfully aware haha. A boy can dream. Waiting on florida to go recreational.
Planning my trip to oregon!
Why not leave now and avoid the holiday rush?
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Why not leave now and avoid the holiday rush?
Ita tough to leave when I'm in the only state i can go to the bar or club after 10 pm
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Having seen the effects on a city has legalized marijuana...this is the dumbest move ever.
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Having seen the effects on a city has legalized marijuana...this is the dumbest move ever.
Portugal decriminalized (not legalized) drugs and addictions have gone way down. Those caught have a choice to go through a series of rehabilitation programs; doctors, psychiatrists and social workers to help get people back to being productive members of society. If they don't accept and go through the programs, they are incarcerated. Those are the choices given; incarceration or rehabilitation. I for one think it is an excellent idea.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/05/portugals-radical-drugs-policy-is-working-why-hasnt-the-world-copied-it (https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/05/portugals-radical-drugs-policy-is-working-why-hasnt-the-world-copied-it)
https://transformdrugs.org/drug-decriminalisation-in-portugal-setting-the-record-straight/ (https://transformdrugs.org/drug-decriminalisation-in-portugal-setting-the-record-straight/)
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Another slippery slope folks, and I partake.
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Its difficult to separate correlation from causation but from what I've read, I suspect its been a positive in the states that have legalized it.
Too much literature to parse 100 percent. Or trust 100 percent.
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Portugal decriminalized (not legalized) drugs and addictions have gone way down. Those caught have a choice to go through a series of rehabilitation programs; doctors, psychiatrists and social workers to help get people back to being productive members of society. If they don't accept and go through the programs, they are incarcerated. Those are the choices given; incarceration or rehabilitation. I for one think it is an excellent idea.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/05/portugals-radical-drugs-policy-is-working-why-hasnt-the-world-copied-it (https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/05/portugals-radical-drugs-policy-is-working-why-hasnt-the-world-copied-it)
https://transformdrugs.org/drug-decriminalisation-in-portugal-setting-the-record-straight/ (https://transformdrugs.org/drug-decriminalisation-in-portugal-setting-the-record-straight/)
Good for them.
Colorado has seen increases in crime...homelessness...over doses and...wait for it...larger and larger drug busts by state a federal DEA agents because the cartels aren't about to give up their turf.
Denver took it one step further and legalized magic mushrooms.
Look at what is happening in the Pacific Northwest...look at what they just legalized.
Pot was the camel's nose under the tent flap up there.
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Its difficult to separate correlation from causation but from what I've read, I suspect its been a positive in the states that have legalized it.
It's not difficult if you actually look past the pro pot propaganda at the facts. And no it's not been positive.
A recently released report by the Colorado Health Department indicated 400 percent increase in children zero to nine exposed to high potency pot products, meaning poisoned by them, ingesting them, going to the hospital. Hospitalizations have risen 200 percent since legalization happened there. The report also found children ages 1 to 13 in 32,800 homes were exposed to second-hand marijuana smoke.
https://www.pennlive.com/news/2019/04/legalizing-pot-doesnt-come-without-societal-costs-just-look-at-colorado-anti-marijuana-advocate-says.html (https://www.pennlive.com/news/2019/04/legalizing-pot-doesnt-come-without-societal-costs-just-look-at-colorado-anti-marijuana-advocate-says.html)
Pot grown illegally on public lands — an indicator for the size of the black market — also is on the rise with 80,926 plants seized in 2017, a 73 percent increase in five years.
Organized crime cases almost tripled in five years, increasing to 119 in 2017 from 31 in 2012.
The types of charges associated with COCCA filings that increased most were manufacturing of marijuana or marijuana products (25 to 142) and possession of marijuana with intent to sell (32 to 124).
The prevalence of marijuana or marijuanaâ€inâ€combination identified by Patrol officers as the impairing substance increased from 12% of all DUIs in 2014 to 15% in 2017.
In 2016, the most recent data available, 27,244 cases were filed in court that included a charge of driving under the influence; 17,824 of these were matched with either a breath or blood
Of these, 3,946 had blood samples screened for the presence of marijuana: 2,885 cases (73.2%) had a positive cannabinoid screen and a followâ€up confirmation for other cannabis metabolites, and 47.5% detected Deltaâ€9 THC at 5.0 ng/mL or above.
According to CDOT, the number of fatalities in which a driver tested positive for Deltaâ€9 THC at or above the 5.0 ng/mL level declined from 52 (13% of all fatalities) in 2016 to 35 in 2017 (8% of all fatalities).
The number of fatalities with cannabinoidâ€only or cannabinoidâ€inâ€combination positive drivers increased 153%, from 55 in 2013 to 139 in 2017.
Rates of hospitalization with possible marijuana exposures increased steadily from 2000 through 2015.
The number of adults who use marijuana increased between 2014 and 2017, with men getting high more often than women and young adults ages 18 to 25 the most frequent users.
It's put an increased strain on hospitals in the state as well.
Hospitalization rates (per 100,000 hospitalizations) with possible marijuana exposures, diagnoses, or billing codes increased from 803 per 100,000 before commercialization (2001â€2009) to 2,696 per 100,000 after commercialization (January 2014â€September 2015). The period from October 2015â€December 2015 indicated another increase, but due to changes in coding systems, variable structures, and policies at CHA, the numbers for 2016 are considered preliminary by CDPHE.
The period of retail commercialization showed an increase in emergency department visits, from 739 per 100,000 ED visits (2010–2013) to 913 per 100,000 ED visits (January 2014–September 2015). There was no definitive trend during the period October 2015†December 2015 and, due to changes in coding systems, variable structures, and policies at CHA, these figures for 2016 are considered preliminary by CDPHE.
https://cdpsdocs.state.co.us/ors/docs/reports/2018-SB13-283_Rpt.pdf (https://cdpsdocs.state.co.us/ors/docs/reports/2018-SB13-283_Rpt.pdf)
Oh and let's not forget the homeless:
A new survey in Colorado suggests that more than one-third of homeless jail inmates who have come to the state since 2012 have come, at least in part, because of legal marijuana.
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Tom Luehrs, the executive director of Denver's St. Francis Center, said he doesn't need a survey to know that marijuana has drawn more transient people to Denver and through the doors of his homeless shelter.
"We've seen that over the past several years," he said, adding a lack of solid research has made it easy for skeptics to ignore the issue.
Luehrs said his shelter did its own informal research that confirmed that marijuana is a driving factor in attracting homeless people to the city in many cases.
"We're caring for people that other states are not caring for," he said, though he is optimistic that marijuana legalization in other states will shift some of the burden elsewhere.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/03/us/colorado-survey-suggests-legal-marijuana-attracting-homeless/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/03/us/colorado-survey-suggests-legal-marijuana-attracting-homeless/index.html)
Too much literature to parse 100 percent. Or trust 100 percent.
That's a cop out. You just don't want to read or have to face anything that bursts your little Liberal bubble.
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Good for them.
Colorado has seen increases in crime...homelessness...over doses and...wait for it...larger and larger drug busts by state a federal DEA agents because the cartels aren't about to give up their turf.
Denver took it one step further and legalized magic mushrooms.
Look at what is happening in the Pacific Northwest...look at what they just legalized.
Pot was the camel's nose under the tent flap up there.
Big difference between decriminalizing and legalizing.
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Big difference between decriminalizing and legalizing.
Colorado legalized it.
And if you can't see how one (decriminalization) leads to the other (legalization)...well then I don't know what to do about your blindness.
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Data from the Colorado Department of Education show that that drug suspension rates increased from 391 (per 100,000 registered students) in the 2008â€09 school year to 551 in 2010†11. The drug suspension rate fluctuated somewhat since then and was 507 in the 2017â€18 school year. The drug expulsion rate was 65 (per 100,000 registered students) in the 2008â€09 school year, increasing to 91 in 2010â€11, and then decreasing to 38 by 2017â€18.
School discipline data for 2017â€18 indicated that marijuana accounted for 22% of all expulsions and 24% of all law enforcement referrals in Colorado public schools.
https://cdpsdocs.state.co.us/ors/docs/reports/2018-SB13-283_Rpt.pdf
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Personally my supple chain gets disrupted from time to time but that's still no reason to get the GOVT involved and screw it all up.
Living in Texas does have it's advantages.
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Thomas Massie
@RepThomasMassie
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The marijuana bill:
Imposes new taxes, creates new federal crimes, creates new offices & programs at existing federal agencies, and in general gives federal government executive branch bureaucrats almost unlimited power to issue whatever regulations and rules they so choose.
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Thomas Massie
@RepThomasMassie
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The marijuana bill:
Imposes new taxes, creates new federal crimes, creates new offices & programs at existing federal agencies, and in general gives federal government executive branch bureaucrats almost unlimited power to issue whatever regulations and rules they so choose.
More levels of bureaucracy...more opportunities for the Federal government to control our lives.
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It's not difficult if you actually look past the pro pot propaganda at the facts. And no it's not been positive.
That's a cop out. You just don't want to read or have to face anything that bursts your little Liberal bubble.
Id love an explanation of how it is a conservative/liberal issue.
And you're being intellectually dishonest. There are a lot of studies and don't pretend you have read them all. You quote some stats that support your view but you won't quote findings that oppose it. I can guess what you googled...Rate stats have to be viewed in context of larger trends, and not all crimes or hospitalizations or societal changes from legalization are equal. A laundry list won't get it done.
Be honest about looking for facts that fit your preexisting notions. That's where you are on the debate. Pot calling the kettle black.
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More levels of bureaucracy...more opportunities for the Federal government to control our lives.
And somehow they'll make sure to know who's "legally" using pot, just in case they need to seize his guns sometime.
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Id love an explanation of how it is a conservative/liberal issue.
A Conservative understands why it is a Conservative/Liberal issue.
And you're being intellectually dishonest.
Hardly.
There are a lot of studies and don't pretend you have read them all. You quote some stats that support your view but you won't quote findings that oppose it. I can guess what you googled...Rate stats have to be viewed in context of larger trends, and not all crimes or hospitalizations or societal changes from legalization are equal. A laundry list won't get it done.
You have no clue what I googled or what studies I have and haven't read. I've been following this issue since before you knew what the internet was. This isn't a new issue...this has been a debate about the pros and cons for almost two decades. I've read the pot lobbyist "studies"...all of the talking points from NORML that I'm sure you are well versed in and I've seen the ground truth from a state that's legalized it as well as having family members with addiction issues.
I don't need to quote findings that oppose what I posted...because I have you to be the voice of the Pot lobby to tell us how much better life will be if we just legalized marijuana.
Be honest about looking for facts that fit your preexisting notions. That's where you are on the debate. Pot calling the kettle black.
Nice try n00b. There's no double standard here. Hell you yourself admitted you haven't read anything on it...so any fingers you're pointingis being done in a mirror.
But at the end of the day...I'm more balanced in my observations on my worst day about this issue than you will ever be.
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And somehow they'll make sure to know who's "legally" using pot, just in case they need to seize his guns sometime.
Nailed it. 888high58888
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A Conservative understands why it is a Conservative/Liberal issue.
Nice try n00b. There's no double standard here. Hell you yourself admitted you haven't read anything on it...so any fingers you're pointingis being done in a mirror.
But at the end of the day...I'm more balanced in my observations on my worst day about this issue than you will ever be.
I understand govt intrusion when it tells me I cant smoke a plant. Is that conservative?
Please show me where I said I hadn't read anything.
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I understand govt intrusion when it tells me I cant smoke a plant. Is that conservative?
Way to dumb down the whole issue to a completely moronic level.
This is why you get the responses from people that you do.
Please show me where I said I hadn't read anything.
Ok...
Too much literature to parse 100 percent. Or trust 100 percent.
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@txradioguy
Still waiting for you to show me where I said I hadn't read anything. You've shown me where I admitted I had not read *everything*.
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@txradioguy
Still waiting for you to show me where I said I hadn't read anything. You've shown me where I admitted I had not read *everything*.
Already quoted you.
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tx wrote:
"Pot was the camel's nose under the tent flap up there."
Of course.
As it was (and is) everywhere.
What was the name of that old movie?
Reefer sumthin' or other...?
It made its point then.
Nuthin's changed.
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Another slippery slope folks, and I partake.
Have you slid down that slope or do you maintain a semi-solid footing?
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tx wrote:
"Pot was the camel's nose under the tent flap up there."
Of course.
As it was (and is) everywhere.
What was the name of that old movie?
Reefer sumthin' or other...?
It made its point then.
Nuthin's changed.
Reefer Madness. You're right...nothing has changed...it's only gotten worse.
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tx wrote:
"Pot was the camel's nose under the tent flap up there."
Of course.
As it was (and is) everywhere.
What was the name of that old movie?
Reefer sumthin' or other...?
It made its point then.
Nuthin's changed.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhQlcMHhF3w#)
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/04/business/cannabis-more-act-house-vote/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/04/business/cannabis-more-act-house-vote/index.html)
For now, the House is likely to be the last stop on the line for the Marijuana Opportunity Reinvestment and Expungement Act of 2019 (MORE Act), which would effectively legalize cannabis by removing marijuana from the Controlled Substances Act and creating a shared federal-state control of cannabis programs -- although it does not force states to legalize. The bill also would reduce barriers to research, solve current banking and tax woes, expunge some cannabis offenses and further diversify efforts in the industry.
Although public sentiment for cannabis legalization has grown, not all in Congress -- notably Republican Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell -- feel the same.
"I would give it less than a snowball's chance of passage in the Senate," said drug policy expert John Hudak, the deputy director of the Center for Effective Public Management at the Brookings Institution think tank.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/04/business/recreational-weed-whats-next/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/04/business/recreational-weed-whats-next/index.html)
In a matter of hours on election night, recreational cannabis measures got the go-ahead in four more states: Arizona, Montana, New Jersey and South Dakota.
That doesn't mean that people in those locations can legally buy weed for non-medical use just yet.
Although the moves at the ballot box further bolster the $19 billion US cannabis industry, the passages are early steps in an often complex and lengthy process.
History shows that it could take months or, in some cases, years for the first regulated sales to take place. It takes time to develop regulatory programs; establish testing, tracking and safety protocols; build supply chains; license operators; and, of course, grow the plants. And in two states, legal challenges have been filed against the ballot initiatives, meaning legalization efforts there could be potentially overturned.
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Have you slid down that slope or do you maintain a semi-solid footing?
I think I maintain pretty well @Elderberry My glass is always more full than empty.
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I think I maintain pretty well @Elderberry My glass is always more full than empty.
So that slope ain't all that slippery. I've kept on an even keel mostly myself.
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If these high end briefers can smoke, we should all be allowed to without the threat of being locked up
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If these high end briefers can smoke, we should all be allowed to without the threat of being locked up
Wrong
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I think I maintain pretty well @Elderberry My glass is always more full than empty.
Just get a smaller glass. An engineering solution...
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Here's the slippery slope I was talking about @Elderberry
Oregon.
Here are the limits.
The measure makes it a noncriminal violation similar to a traffic ticket to possess the following:
Less than 1 gram of heroin
Less than 1 gram, or less than 5 pills, of MDMA
Less than 2 grams of methamphetamine
Less than 40 units of LSD
Less than 12 grams of psilocybin
Less than 40 units of methadone
Less than 40 pills of oxycodone
Less than 2 grams of cocaine
The measure reduces from a felony to a misdemeanor simple possession of substances containing:
1 to 3 grams of heroin
1 to 4 grams of MDMA
2 to 8 grams of methamphetamine
2 to 8 grams of cocaine
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Nancy coordinated this with Coors?
Molson Coors just launched its first CBD drinks in the US
Molson Coors (TAP) has not only set its sights on exploiting the surging hard seltzer market, but is now making a push into CBD beverages in Canada and the U.S.
“In the U.S. we have brought CBD products to Colorado. We launched them this week. So it’s a little too soon to tell how they are going to do. But, we are using the same brand names as we are using in Canada, the product tastes really good,†Molson Coors CEO Gavin Hattersley told Yahoo Finance Live.
Molson Coors signed a joint venture deal some two years ago with cannabis producer Hexo. Since then, the duo has launched CBD beverages in Canada under the Truss brand. The debut of CBD products this week reflects an expanded deal between the two companies inked in April.
https://money.yahoo.com/molson-coors-just-launched-its-first-cbd-drinks-in-the-us-184008978.html
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I hold mixed feelings over weed.
The gateway aspect is a negative.
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Here's the slippery slope I was talking about @Elderberry
Oregon.
Here are the limits.
The measure makes it a noncriminal violation similar to a traffic ticket to possess the following:
Less than 1 gram of heroin
Less than 1 gram, or less than 5 pills, of MDMA
Less than 2 grams of methamphetamine
Less than 40 units of LSD
Less than 12 grams of psilocybin
Less than 40 units of methadone
Less than 40 pills of oxycodone
Less than 2 grams of cocaine
The measure reduces from a felony to a misdemeanor simple possession of substances containing:
1 to 3 grams of heroin
1 to 4 grams of MDMA
2 to 8 grams of methamphetamine
2 to 8 grams of cocaine
What in the world is a Unit of LSD? Not that I've dropped any since HS. Though I did take my SAT test crashing on acid. I don't know if it helped or hurt my score. My score did get me into Mensa though. I know here people take Mensans in low regard.
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Alcohol as a gateway drug: a study of US 12th graders
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22712674/ (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22712674/)
Abstract
Background: The Gateway Drug Theory suggests that licit drugs, such as tobacco and alcohol, serve as a "gateway" toward the use of other, illicit drugs. However, there remains some discrepancy regarding which drug-alcohol, tobacco, or even marijuana-serves as the initial "gateway" drug subsequently leading to the use of illicit drugs such as cocaine and heroin. The purpose of this investigation was to determine which drug (alcohol, tobacco, or marijuana) was the actual "gateway" drug leading to additional substance use among a nationally representative sample of high school seniors.
Methods: This investigation conducted a secondary analysis of the 2008 Monitoring the Future 12th-grade data. Initiation into alcohol, tobacco, and other drug use was analyzed using a Guttman scale. Coefficients of reliability and scalability were calculated to evaluate scale fit. Subsequent cross tabulations and chi-square test for independence were conducted to better understand the relationship between the identified gateway drug and other substances' use.
Results: Results from the Guttman scale indicated that alcohol represented the "gateway" drug, leading to the use of tobacco, marijuana, and other illicit substances. Moreover, students who used alcohol exhibited a significantly greater likelihood of using both licit and illicit drugs.
Conclusion: The findings from this investigation support that alcohol should receive primary attention in school-based substance abuse prevention programming, as the use of other substances could be impacted by delaying or preventing alcohol use. Therefore, it seems prudent for school and public health officials to focus prevention efforts, policies, and monies, on addressing adolescent alcohol use.
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Alcohol as a gateway drug: a study of US 12th graders
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22712674/ (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22712674/)
Ban it!
Are you acquainted with the site that gives you access to every (mostly) academic article ever published? There are people who believe you should not have to pay to rent or buy articles, that all information should be freely available.
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I understand govt intrusion when it tells me I cant smoke a plant. Is that conservative?
Please show me where I said I hadn't read anything.
Based on you logic, its okay to smoke Nightshade, Oleander, and Castor Beans since they are plants too right?
You take dumbassery to new heights.
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Based on you logic, its okay to smoke Nightshade, Oleander, and Castor Beans since they are plants too right?
You take dumbassery to new heights.
I'm the dumbass but you equate the weed with deadly poison...
Based on your logic, alcohol and cigarettes should be banned.
So who is the dumbass here?
Also just to pass you off, who's to say one can't kill themselves if they so desire?
Which, to be clear, cant happen with weed
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I understand govt intrusion when it tells me I cant smoke a plant. Is that conservative?
No, that's anarchist. A Conservative would recognize the sovereignty of the various states, and control of substances within their jurisdiction is certainly in their wheelhouse.
A conservative might also recognize federal authority across state lines, and wrt the national border.
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I'm the dumbass but you equate the weed with deadly poison...
Based on your logic, alcohol and cigarettes should be banned.
So who is the dumbass here?
Also just to pass you off, who's to say one can't kill themselves if they so desire?
Which, to be clear, cant happen with weed
HI NOX! I am bigheadfred, can I give them some of my BS, @roamer_1?
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I'm the dumbass but you equate the weed with deadly poison...
Based on your logic, alcohol and cigarettes should be banned.
Nonsense. ALL medicines are strictly controlled. Even those you can buy across the counter. And likewise many/most poisons... What you seem to want is to carve out a special exception.
So who is the dumbass here?
888mouth
Also just to pass you off, who's to say one can't kill themselves if they so desire?
Because murder is murder. Even if you want to murder yourself. Life has priceless value. When you remove that from statutory law, you will not be happy with the results.
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HI NOX! I am bigeheadfred, can I give them some of my BS, @roamer_1?
Dish it out, brother... Use the big shovel. :beer:
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26+ years clean and sober,
I am the product of a "family intervention.
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26+ years clean and sober,
I am the product of a "family intervention.
There but for the grace of God go I. :beer:
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Dish it out, brother... Use the big shovel. :beer:
Horizontal?
JUUUST kidding.
Vertical.
Yeah. The perpexuevacuator joy stick.
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Keep the people sedated and pacified on drugs! So they won't get unset with BIG BROTHER. "1984". OPIUM DENS IN CHINA.
Are that, many people, needing to escape real life? WHY?
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Keep the people sedated and pacified on drugs! So they won't get unset with BIG BROTHER. "1984". OPIUM DENS IN CHINA.
Are that, many people, needing to escape real life? WHY?
People can and do deal with real life. It is they deem themselves lower than the people they elect.
History will make Frodo Gilgamesh.
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I'm the dumbass but you equate the weed with deadly poison...
Based on your logic, alcohol and cigarettes should be banned.
So who is the dumbass here?
Also just to pass you off, who's to say one can't kill themselves if they so desire?
Which, to be clear, cant happen with weed
Are you that freakin' naive Junior? Yeah, maybe MJ won't kill you,but let me share a little story from back in the mid 70's.
I was part of a group of friends, and we were all Pre-Med majors. The brightest of our group was an absolute whiz and superstar. He was a 4.0 student through 3 semesters, and had High Flying M.D, written all over him. But guess what.... He started enjoying weed. He started slow at first, but by a few months later he was doing it regularly. He struggled with memory issues first, which is a killer in this field. His motivation level also fell off drastically. By the end of his 4th semester, he was failing in his Biology and Chemistry courses. Finally, he changed to General Studies, and finally got his degree, but it was a sad example of what could have been. And don't try the alcohol angle. He drank with us regularly, before, but with no adverse impact on his studies.
So... why fully legalize another vice that is a detriment to society? Kiddo... you got a hell of a lot of growing up to do, before discussing the life long impacts of vices, and their implications in life. It's a slippery slope indeed.
OTOH, I have no problem with Cannabis medical use for pain, Chemo nausea, etc. This is another matter and acceptable manner of use.
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I walked away when I was 11 years old. It took my stupid at ELEVEN Years before I understood that peeple did understand. They just didn't care.
Nothing has changed. My robot thread. Just more magik.
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Are you that freakin' naive Junior? Yeah, maybe MJ won't kill you,but let me share a little story from back in the mid 70's.
I was part of a group of friends, and we were all Pre-Med majors. The brightest of our group was an absolute whiz and superstar. He was a 4.0 student through 3 semesters, and had High Flying M.D, written all over him. But guess what.... He started enjoying weed. He started slow at first, but by a few months later he was doing it regularly. He struggled with memory issues first, which is a killer in this field. His motivation level also fell off drastically. By the end of his 4th semester, he was failing in his Biology and Chemistry courses. Finally, he changed to General Studies, and finally got his degree, but it was a sad example of what could have been. And don't try the alcohol angle. He drank with us regularly, before, but with no adverse impact on his studies.
So... why fully legalize another vice that is a detriment to society? Kiddo... you got a hell of a lot of growing up to do, before discussing the life long impacts of vices, and their implications in life. It's a slippery slope indeed.
OTOH, I have no problem with Cannabis medical use for pain, Chemo nausea, etc. This is another matter and acceptable manner of use.
:thumbsup: Some people have died from using WEED. Their heart could not handle it. It is rare, but yes, some people can die from WEED. Like any drug.
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:thumbsup: Some people have died from using WEED. Their heart could not handle it. It is rare, but yes, some people can die from WEED. Like any drug.
BTTT
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Are you that freakin' naive Junior? Yeah, maybe MJ won't kill you,but let me share a little story from back in the mid 70's.
I was part of a group of friends, and we were all Pre-Med majors. The brightest of our group was an absolute whiz and superstar. He was a 4.0 student through 3 semesters, and had High Flying M.D, written all over him. But guess what.... He started enjoying weed. He started slow at first, but by a few months later he was doing it regularly. He struggled with memory issues first, which is a killer in this field. His motivation level also fell off drastically. By the end of his 4th semester, he was failing in his Biology and Chemistry courses. Finally, he changed to General Studies, and finally got his degree, but it was a sad example of what could have been. And don't try the alcohol angle. He drank with us regularly, before, but with no adverse impact on his studies.
So... why fully legalize another vice that is a detriment to society? Kiddo... you got a hell of a lot of growing up to do, before discussing the life long impacts of vices, and their implications in life. It's a slippery slope indeed.
OTOH, I have no problem with Cannabis medical use for pain, Chemo nausea, etc. This is another matter and acceptable manner of use.
Okay, he couldn't handle weed and school. Lets set policy based on him.
give me a hundred examples of lives derailed by alcohol.
ill give you a hundred examples of lives derailed because good people had a record and couldn't get a job.
Anecdotal evidence, while it may hard hitting emotionally, is useless for policy.
We are not the party of the nanny state telling you how big your soda can be. The tens of millions of people that smoke are gonna continue. And we can spend billions incarceration them and hurting their employment opportunities. Or we can wise up and life the federal laws that make, and I know you disagree, a harmless drug a crime.
Its a big weight holding American back and soon all but the most religious states will have legalized it. Being against it is like being against interracial marriage.
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:thumbsup: Some people have died from using WEED. Their heart could not handle it. It is rare, but yes, some people can die from WEED. Like any drug.
How many? More or less than die from bee stings?
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Okay, he couldn't handle weed and school. Lets set policy based on him.
give me a hundred examples of lives derailed by alcohol.
ill give you a hundred examples of lives derailed because good people had a record and couldn't get a job.
Anecdotal evidence, while it may hard hitting emotionally, is useless for policy.
We are not the party of the nanny state telling you how big your soda can be. The tens of millions of people that smoke are gonna continue. And we can spend billions incarceration them and hurting their employment opportunities. Or we can wise up and life the federal laws that make, and I know you disagree, a harmless drug a crime.
Its a big weight holding American back and soon all but the most religious states will have legalized it. Being against it is like being against interracial marriage.
Equating weed legalization with interacial marriage? Way to derail your argument. First, where did I say I wanted the stuff criminalized? I never said that, and have never thought that. Now legalization and proliferation are another thing.
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How many? More or less than die from bee stings?
How about how many deaths and injuries on the road due to impairment?
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Tried Pot one time and it scared the stew out of me.... I ran outside and finally collapsed. I finally gained my composure and went inside and slept for nearly 24 hours.
Wife got T-boned on Dec. 24th 2011 with my two youngest kids inside. Then they were spun in the other lane of traffic and hit again. Young lady that hit her admitted smoking pot. Kids were ok, wife spent Christmas in the hospital. I fret remembering this every Christmas.
(https://i.postimg.cc/g0ttFzty/P5040004.jpg)
Not harmless, nearly ended up killing most everything I love (including myself). Talk about them losing work, well I had rather they lose work than drive that Hyster around me all day at work.
@Knox27
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Having seen the effects on a city has legalized marijuana...this is the dumbest move ever.
Denver blues...
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Okay, he couldn't handle weed and school. Lets set policy based on him.
give me a hundred examples of lives derailed by alcohol.
ill give you a hundred examples of lives derailed because good people had a record and couldn't get a job.
Anecdotal evidence, while it may hard hitting emotionally, is useless for policy.
We are not the party of the nanny state telling you how big your soda can be. The tens of millions of people that smoke are gonna continue. And we can spend billions incarceration them and hurting their employment opportunities. Or we can wise up and life the federal laws that make, and I know you disagree, a harmless drug a crime.
Its a big weight holding American back and soon all but the most religious states will have legalized it. Being against it is like being against interracial marriage.
It's bad enough sharing the highway with bozos who can't put their phone down and drive.
But distracted and high?
Oh sh*t.
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How about how many deaths and injuries on the road due to impairment?
So you favor banning alcohol?
Why not respect personal liberty? If I drive drunk (or stoned), throw the book at me. But don't punish responsible adults just to get at the irresponsible ones. That's liberal logic - look no further than the calls to take your guns.
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It's bad enough sharing the highway with bozos who can't put their phone down and drive.
But distracted and high?
Oh sh*t.
Was thinking the same. Already sharing the highway with drinkers and texters.... and now stoners?
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So you favor banning alcohol?
Why not respect personal liberty? If I drive drunk (or stoned), throw the book at me. But don't punish responsible adults just to get at the irresponsible ones. That's liberal logic - look no further than the calls to take your guns.
No I don't favor banning alcohol. But do you understand how ridiculous you sound saying a MJ prohibition is liberal logic? It is the liberals who are screaming for its legaization. I have already said I support decriminalization, but you failed to see the point of keeping a substance that impairs young brain development out the hands of those who may abuse it. And that is the same demographic who will most likely get in a car baked, and commit traffic disasters like what you see with Sighlass above.
What you call liberal logic is common sense human behavior.
And then say taking the analogy of "Taking Guns"? Now you are just downright silly. Can you hear Jazzy? Help...They're coming to get my bongs!!!!!!!
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Don't bother the driver while they are drinking. That is the majority cause of alcohol related crashes.
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No I don't favor banning alcohol. But do you understand how ridiculous you sound saying a MJ prohibition is liberal logic? It is the liberals who are screaming for its legaization. I have already said I support decriminalization, but you failed to see the point of keeping a substance that impairs young brain development out the hands of those who may abuse it. And that is the same demographic who will most likely get in a car baked, and commit traffic disasters like what you see with Sighlass above.
What you call liberal logic is common sense human behavior.
And then say taking the analogy of "Taking Guns"? Now you are just downright silly. Can you hear Jazzy? Help...They're coming to get my bongs!!!!!!!
Conservative logic: Punish those who misuse guns, but don't mess with the liberties of the law abiding.
Liberal logic: Guns are the problem. Ban 'em, and to hell with individual liberty
Liberal logic is to ban weed because of the relative few who would abuse it. I say let adults make their own decisions, and punish only those who misuse marijuana.
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Apropos of nothing there is a 500% increase sales of flasks.
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‘This Just Isn’t A Good Bill:’ Rep. Conor Lamb Explains No Vote On Decriminalizing Marijuana
December 5, 2020 at 3:54 amBy: KDKA-TV News Staff
WASHINGTON (KDKA) – On Friday in Washington, the United States House of Representatives made history.
A bill was passed that would end the federal ban on marijuana. ...
All Pennsylvania Republicans voted no, except for Guy Reschenthaller, who did not vote.
Local Democrats were split – Mike Doyle voted yes and Conor Lamb voted no, along with five other Democrats.
“This just isn’t a good bill,†Rep. Conor Lamb said. “I don’t say that because of the issue of marijuana, I actually support marijuana decriminalization if done in a careful way. We should start with medical marijuana and make sure there are good rules in effect, so that people are protected from substances that maybe aren’t good, that kids are protected, all that kind of stuff.â€
Lamb went on to explain his opposition as taking a popular idea too far.
“What this bill was, was your classic Washington example, and unfortunately something that is way too common these days, of taking a pretty decent idea and just rushing all the way to the extremes with it,†Lamb explained. ...
KDKA (https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/12/05/more-act-of-2019-passes-house-of-reps/)
Rather shocking. A Democrat who actually read the bill.
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Conservative logic: Punish those who misuse guns, but don't mess with the liberties of the law abiding.
Liberal logic: Guns are the problem. Ban 'em, and to hell with individual liberty
Liberal logic is to ban weed because of the relative few who would abuse it. I say let adults make their own decisions, and punish only those who misuse marijuana.
You've obviously skipped through most of this thread, and ignored what it does to mostly youngsters in the points of motivation, effect on developing brains, and the fact kids are the most likely to get in a car and drive stoned. Your opinion promotes an additonal vice in this country, that it really doesn't need. Wonder, if you'll have the same opinion when some stoner T-bones you after he's eaten a couple dozen MJ edibles.
Because you just don't get it. Years ago, we just had to worry about drinkers on the road. 15 years ago? Add Texters, and now Stoners? Risk of these bad behaviors is cumulative, not singularly independent.
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Conservative logic: Punish those who misuse guns, but don't mess with the liberties of the law abiding.
Liberal logic: Guns are the problem. Ban 'em, and to hell with individual liberty
Liberal logic is to ban weed because of the relative few who would abuse it. I say let adults make their own decisions, and punish only those who misuse marijuana.
My objections to recreational weed are simple.
There is no established 'norm' by which to measure intoxication quantitatively. (BAC .08% with alcohol)
There is not relatively fast test by which such blood intoxicant levels can be measured, and no way to determine driver levels of impairment objectively, aside from behavioural observations.
Unlike alcohol, very little active ingredient regulated supply exists, and predicting the effect of any given dose is simply not possible, nor the exact effect of that dose, even on the same individual.
Alcoholic beverages have a single active ingredient, Marijuana has more than one, complicating the above.
So determining who is actively misusing the substance is sometimes problematical, especially in the case of 'edibles'.
Despite understanding the effects of and regulating against the use of alcohol and motor vehicles, the problem persists, with lethal results. A disincentive to operating a vehicle under the influence of pot is the additional charge(s) possible from the drug itself. Simply enough, let's not unleash another (legal) intoxicant on the highways.
People exercise incredibly poor judgement under the influence of either, one is enough.
There is an experiment in play, where (iirc) all drugs were decriminalized in state law, let's see how that plays out.
(Besides, stoned people are more easily manipulated). (Soma, for those who read Brave New World).
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Cannabis Cultivation Laws: State-by-State Marijuana Growing Guide
https://potguide.com/blog/article/cannabis-cultivation-laws-state-by-state/ (https://potguide.com/blog/article/cannabis-cultivation-laws-state-by-state/)
Home cannabis cultivation is a hot topic across the country. As legal access to medical and recreational marijuana slowly spreads, citizens find themselves with more of an opportunity to grow their own pot. It can be tough to find all the state cannabis cultivation laws though, so we made this helpful guide for interested growers to quickly and easily reference the legal framework and regulations in their state.
Browse below to view the legal status of home growing cannabis in all 50 American states and the District of Columbia.
Why should Marijuana continue to be prohibited at the Federal level when state after state is legalizing Marijuana?
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Cannabis Cultivation Laws: State-by-State Marijuana Growing Guide
https://potguide.com/blog/article/cannabis-cultivation-laws-state-by-state/ (https://potguide.com/blog/article/cannabis-cultivation-laws-state-by-state/)
Why should Marijuana continue to be prohibited at the Federal level when state after state is legalizing Marijuana?
Ask ICE?
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Apropos of nothing Conservatism is an infinite universe. Liberalism is Schrodinger's box.
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I am compelled to side with @Jazzhead and @Knox27 here. Sorry about that.
Since Covid arrived, Americans are driving 15 to 20 mph higher than the speed limits WITHOUT an increase in wrecks and deaths.
And guess what? People have been driving around stoned on marijuana, so stop this pathetic assertion that everybody needs to be protected and the only way is to keep it illegal.
As others have said. You get stopped by the police and found to be physically impaired under the influence...issue the ticket and have the car towed.
BTW...if anything, people driving cars high on grass are probably driving at or under the speed limit. It's NOTHING like driving drunk.
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Cannabis Cultivation Laws: State-by-State Marijuana Growing Guide
https://potguide.com/blog/article/cannabis-cultivation-laws-state-by-state/ (https://potguide.com/blog/article/cannabis-cultivation-laws-state-by-state/)
Why should Marijuana continue to be prohibited at the Federal level when state after state is legalizing Marijuana?
Admittedly, its a runaway train, and I'll wager full legalization will happen within 10-15 years. Still doesn't mean I think it is a good idea or should happen. OTOH, I have a friend in a legal state, who swears by what he calls a 15 mg edible when he has some insomnia. Who knows there may be some thereputic value to the elderly and infirmed. But, I'd sure make sure a script was required to use it.
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Admittedly, its a runaway train, and I'll wager full legalization will happen within 10-15 years. Still doesn't mean I think it is a good idea or should happen. OTOH, I have a friend in a legal state, who swears by what he calls a 15 mg edible when he has some insomnia. Who knows there may be some thereputic value to the elderly and infirmed. But, I'd sure make sure a script was required to use it.
I just can't imagine how a script would be worded, identifying the seed strain, cultivation, harvesting, preparation and dosage of marijuana that you are growing yourself.
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I just can't imagine how a script would be worded, identifying the seed strain, cultivation, harvesting, preparation and dosage of marijuana that you are growing yourself.
Alas, more evidence why it shouldn't happen in the first place.
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Alas, more evidence why it shouldn't happen in the first place.
But its already sweeping across the nation, state by state.
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I'm the dumbass but you equate the weed with deadly poison...
Yes you are the dumb ass.
Smoking wet...heard of that? How much poison do you think is in formaldehyde or phencyclidine?
How safe is weed laced with PCP or hash?
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I just can't imagine how a script would be worded, identifying the seed strain, cultivation, harvesting, preparation and dosage of marijuana that you are growing yourself.
I have a script for high blood pressure spikes that says use as needed.
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Yes you are the dumb ass.
Smoking wet...heard of that? How much poison do you think is in formaldehyde or phencyclidine?
How safe is weed laced with PCP or hash?
Its not, which is why it would be great to buy it from a business and not a guy on a street corner
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Its not, which is why it would be great to buy it from a business and not a guy on a street corner
Anyone remember Paraquat?
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Its not, which is why it would be great to buy it from a business and not a guy on a street corner
Why buy it at all? Two or three plants grown under gro-lights is all one needs.
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Why buy it at all? Two or three plants grown under gro-lights is all one needs.
QFT
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Why buy it at all? Two or three plants grown under gro-lights is all one needs.
The problem is and always has been the gov getting their cut.
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Why buy it at all? Two or three plants grown under gro-lights is all one needs.
@Elderberry @catfish1957 @Jazzhead @Knox27
I have a guy I'm proud to call a good friend...used to be young rebellious kid who hung around with bikers before he found the love of his life.
Anyway, he was my source for homegrown weed. Excellent strain for only $125. per ounce. They owned some property which abutted Federal parkland where they grew it. I 'laughed' at the notion for those paying $300-400 per ounce.
Once Maryland decided to become a legal weed State...despite their price for comparable weed being $65. per EIGHTH ($520. per ounce), it has become impossible for me to score the homegrown/local.
All the people are so enamored over the dozens of high quality strains at the dispensaries that nobody is interested in cultivating it.
...and these are some CHEAP-ASS, scrooges who still have the 'First Communion money'.
Here I figured that 'The State' would enhance their hobby. Instead, it put them out of business.
I warned them that getting 'The Card' which enabled them may put them on a list that may put their guns at risk...they couldn't care less.
Now that friend keeps bugging me to get "The Card", so that he can give me his grocery list so I can get a 25% discount on my initial visit to the Dispensary.
Oh...and I'm eligible for the 15% "Senior Citizen" discount too!
Still haven't gotten my card. In fact, it's been months now since I've smoked it.
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That's way out of my league. I haven't been a user in a long long time. Before I grew only for my own consumption, I was paying around $80 an lb.
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BTW...if anything, people driving cars high on grass are probably driving at or under the speed limit. It's NOTHING like driving drunk.
Texting and Pot.... 50mph hit to side of wife's cadi with two children inside. Kids did fine (car seats worked) with only some bruises, wife was hurt for months. December 24th 2011 in the hospital for 2-3 days (I don't remember exactly how many days).
(https://i.postimg.cc/9fHg0rtc/Crash.jpg)
Harmless my butt... was hit in a 45mph area turning (blinker on), and probable going about that speed. Gets hit in the side and pushed into traffic the other way and hit again. It could of killed and left me with 4 boys to raise by myself.
Wife is still ticked cause all her Tupperware that was in the trunk got stolen either at the scene or where they towed the car.
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I am compelled to side with @Jazzhead and @Knox27 here. Sorry about that.
Since Covid arrived, Americans are driving 15 to 20 mph higher than the speed limits WITHOUT an increase in wrecks and deaths.
And guess what? People have been driving around stoned on marijuana, so stop this pathetic assertion that everybody needs to be protected and the only way is to keep it illegal.
As others have said. You get stopped by the police and found to be physically impaired under the influence...issue the ticket and have the car towed.
BTW...if anything, people driving cars high on grass are probably driving at or under the speed limit. It's NOTHING like driving drunk.
Yep, the assh*le who is doing 15 under and gets the traffic snarl going that leads to a pileup, likely not caught up in it--the difference from drunks.
You're close enough to I-95 and the "Suicide Circle" (Capital Beltway--495) to know that traffic deaths there are a near daily thing (only helo transport to trauma units has cut that--and the number of federal workers "working form home".)
A lot of people aren't going to work, some won't be working there again, and even the kid run over by a truck died of COVID.
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Texting and Pot.... 50mph hit to side of wife's cadi with two children inside. Kids did fine (car seats worked) with only some bruises, wife was hurt for months. December 24th 2011 in the hospital for 2-3 days (I don't remember exactly how many days).
(https://i.postimg.cc/9fHg0rtc/Crash.jpg)
Harmless my butt... was hit in a 45mph area turning (blinker on), and probable going about that speed. Gets hit in the side and pushed into traffic the other way and hit again. It could of killed and left me with 4 boys to raise by myself.
Wife is still ticked cause all her Tupperware that was in the trunk got stolen either at the scene or where they towed the car.
Geez... That's terrible. Very glad your family is okay, today.
That said, your very first words..."texting and pot..."
That's virtually the same as dying of a gunshot wound while testing positive for Covid.
PS: Was the Tupperware filled with chocolate chip cookies? :pondering:
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That's way out of my league. I haven't been a user in a long long time. Before I grew only for my own consumption, I was paying around $80 an lb.
Yeah, I recall when a 'nickel bag' was a full ounce. The really, really, expensive stuff was $20, and those who bought such swore if it wasn't good enough to make them forget any idea of kicking the seller's ass, the seller would be in trouble.
But the run of the mill weed in those days smelled different and hit a person differently. People goofed off laughing for hours on it. Today's (and back then, the high priced stuff at $20/oz) "Skunk weed" (if not doped with skunk urine) was 'two hit sh*t' that pretty much that had people nodding (that didn't seem like my idea of fun).
I haven't touched any of it since long before I quit drinking, and that's been over 30 years.
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Geez... That's terrible. Very glad your family is okay, today.
That said, your very first words..."texting and pot..."
That's virtually the same as dying of a gunshot wound while testing positive for Covid.
Not virtually the same, a drug that lowers response time factors heavy in the equation.
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Not virtually the same, a drug that lowers response time factors heavy in the equation.
and reduces situational awareness overall (focus on some things, ignore others, not necessarily what needs to be focused on at the time).
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i quit smoking pot for 40 years, USAF and random drug testing and all with my employers, started smoking again about 10 years ago and didn't realized how much I missed it. I don't Ever drive while drinking or stoned.
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The NBA Is No Longer Testing For Marijuana Use
https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/nba-no-longer-testing-marijuana-use (https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/nba-no-longer-testing-marijuana-use)
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House passes sweeping reform bill to decriminalize marijuana
By Alex Gangitano - 12/04/20 01:37 PM EST
The House on Friday passed sweeping legislation that would decriminalize marijuana at the federal level, the first time either chamber of Congress has voted to decriminalize cannabis.
The measure, the Marijuana Opportunity Reinvestment & Expungement Act, passed on a largely party-line vote of 228 to 164.
Six Democrats voted against the legislation and five Republicans voted for it. The bill faces an uphill battle in the GOP-controlled Senate.
DEVELOPING
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/528787-house-passes-sweeping-reform-bill-to-decriminalize-marijuana
I'm late to this thread, so there's upwards of 100 replies....
I think this is a necessary step, not because I approve of Marijuana, but because there are a lot of states that have legalized weed. The Federal law and the laws of the "several states" are in conflict, resulting in people being prosecuted and imprisoned despite State laws to the contrary.
It's a States Rights issue, subject to the 10th Amendment.
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I'm late to this thread, so there's upwards of 100 replies....
I think this is a necessary step, not because I approve of Marijuana, but because there are a lot of states that have legalized weed. The Federal law and the laws of the "several states" are in conflict, resulting in people being prosecuted and imprisoned despite State laws to the contrary.
It's a States Rights issue, subject to the 10th Amendment.
What about interstate commerce? Fed regs?
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What about interstate commerce? Fed regs?
People who farm MJ in California for their "medicinal marijuana" dispensaries have been arrested and jailed, even though the dreaded weed was only distributed in California. there was no "interstate commerce involved.
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Yeah, I recall when a 'nickel bag' was a full ounce. The really, really, expensive stuff was $20, and those who bought such swore if it wasn't good enough to make them forget any idea of kicking the seller's ass, the seller would be in trouble.
But the run of the mill weed in those days smelled different and hit a person differently. People goofed off laughing for hours on it. Today's (and back then, the high priced stuff at $20/oz) "Skunk weed" (if not doped with skunk urine) was 'two hit sh*t' that pretty much that had people nodding (that didn't seem like my idea of fun).
I haven't touched any of it since long before I quit drinking, and that's been over 30 years.
I am rather happy to have grown up in the country... Of course we had the perennial temptations of drinking and wild women... Honkytonkin and tail-gating out on a bonfire somewhere... A little bit of weed and a little bit of amphetamine (a lot of my friends were the kids of truckers/loggers)... But that was about it. In the meantime, the townies had every depravity of pharmakopia at their immediate disposal. That 'gateway drug' thing is a true thing.
But that was a generation before meth hit country like a freight train.
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People who farm MJ in California for their "medicinal marijuana" dispensaries have been arrested and jailed, even though the dreaded weed was only distributed in California. there was no "interstate commerce involved.
My Humboldt apologies. Thanks for the clarification.
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I'm late to this thread, so there's upwards of 100 replies....
I think this is a necessary step, not because I approve of Marijuana, but because there are a lot of states that have legalized weed. The Federal law and the laws of the "several states" are in conflict, resulting in people being prosecuted and imprisoned despite State laws to the contrary.
It's a States Rights issue, subject to the 10th Amendment.
That's right. But it would be better if the problem wasn't there at all, like it was before. There would be a whole lot less heartache. But writing that into law - especially federal law - has not been fortuitous.
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My Humboldt apologies. Thanks for the clarification.
LOL!
(http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/43/i-see-what-you-did-there-ceiling-cat-27940-1250313420-23.jpg)
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That's right. But it would be better if the problem wasn't there at all, like it was before. There would be a whole lot less heartache. But writing that into law - especially federal law - has not been fortuitous.
Yup. Worked as well as Prohibition, with lots more people in jail. :shrug:
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Yup. Worked as well as Prohibition, with lots more people in jail. :shrug:
IMHO,...okay, not so "humble"... the federal government's current involvement will see MJ end up being taxed similar to gasoline.
They merely want to dip their beaks too!
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Yup. Worked as well as Prohibition, with lots more people in jail. :shrug:
It was probably this issue more than any other that taught me the value of federalism, with my more libertarian friends having won that argument outright. And thus I have moved myself even more to the Right.
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It was probably this issue more than any other that taught me the value of federalism, with my more libertarian friends having won that argument outright. And thus I have moved myself even more to the Right.
It also taught even more people disrespect for the law. Just like Prohibition. Dodging the Revinooers became a game, it even led to NASCAR.
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IMHO,...okay, not so "humble"... the federal government's current involvement will see MJ end up being taxed similar to gasoline.
They merely want to dip their beaks too!
Well, there's that and then there's also the fact that there are many people using medical MJ to soothe their ills and no longer use prescription drugs which in the long run could crush big pharma and all the pill pushing doctors. Lots of revenue being lost.
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Well, there's that and then there's also the fact that there are many people using medical MJ to soothe their ills and no longer use prescription drugs which in the long run could crush big pharma and all the pill pushing doctors. Lots of revenue being lost.
It's all about the 'Benjamins'! :beer:
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It also taught even more people disrespect for the law. Just like Prohibition. Dodging the Revinooers became a game, it even led to NASCAR.
Having a good part of that built into me, both in family and culture... I would say that's right.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvaEJzoaYZk#)
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It's all about the 'Benjamins'! :beer:
Exactly!
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It's all about the 'Benjamins'! :beer:
And it's also what's driving people from Blue states to Red ones.
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Having a good part of that built into me, both in family and culture... I would say that's right.
My mom's dad was always bitchin bout the revenooers. I can tell why. Man could make clear shine.
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I'm late to this thread, so there's upwards of 100 replies....
I think this is a necessary step, not because I approve of Marijuana, but because there are a lot of states that have legalized weed. The Federal law and the laws of the "several states" are in conflict, resulting in people being prosecuted and imprisoned despite State laws to the contrary.
It's a States Rights issue, subject to the 10th Amendment.
Then the FDA should be reduced to testing for purity, and no substance should be Federally controlled. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say the Federal Government has the power, except to provide for standards of weight and measure. Definitely not to regulate what people take by any means. (Goodbye Federal tobacco laws, too).
Of course, the Feds tie funding to what they want, and states roll over like gutshot hyenas...
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My mom's dad was always bitchin bout the revenooers. I can tell why. Man could make clear shine.
'Revenuers' is still a very legit term in my culture's lexicon. There ain't a redneck boy I know, not a one that doesn't know that term and what it means.
But them same redneck boys were standing with the bikers right behind the line of sheriff deputies when the Antifa/BLM came through here... So it ain't about lawbreaking... weird, huh?
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It also taught even more people disrespect for the law. Just like Prohibition. Dodging the Revinooers became a game, it even led to NASCAR.
Where I grew up, and later, where I went to college, being said to be able to "drive like a bootlegger" was a compliment to your skill.
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Anyone remember Paraquat?
Yep. It made California grass.
Before that (pre-paraquat) Mexican was fine enough that "Acapulco Gold" was a standard.
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And it's also what's driving people from Blue states to Red ones.
Which, for now, cabinetry is booming here. Lead times have doubled.
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Yep. It made California grass.
Before that (pre-paraquat) Mexican was fine enough that "Acapulco Gold" was a standard.
"Tops from Oaxaxa".
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Yep. It made California grass.
Before that (pre-paraquat) Mexican was fine enough that "Acapulco Gold" was a standard.
...hmmm ....some things tend to escape my memory, but I do remember "Acapulco Gold". happy77
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...hmmm ....some things tend to escape my memory, but I do remember "Acapulco Gold". happy77
But not the Cuervo...right? :laugh:
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https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/BILLS-116hr3884rh/pdf/BILLS-116hr3884rh.pdf (https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/BILLS-116hr3884rh/pdf/BILLS-116hr3884rh.pdf)
(d) RETROACTIVITY.—
The amendments made by this section to the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 801 et 15seq.) are retroactive and shall apply to any offense committed, case pending, conviction entered, and, in the case of a juvenile, any offense committed, case pending, or adjudication of juvenile delinquency entered before, on, or after the date of enactment of this Act.
CANNABIS PRODUCTS.—On cannabis products, manufactured in or imported into the United States, there shall be imposed a tax equal to 5 percent of the price for which sold.
CANNABIS PRODUCT.— ‘‘ IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in paragraph (2), the term ‘cannabis product’ means any cannabis or any article which contains cannabis or any derivative thereof. ‘‘
EXCEPTION.—The term ‘cannabis product’ shall not include any medicine or drug that is a prescribed drug (as such term is defined in section 213(d)(3)).
MANUFACTURER OF CANNABIS PRODUCTS.—
‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—Any person who plants, cultivates, harvests, produces, manufactures, compounds, converts, processes, prepares, or packages any cannabis product shall be treated as a manufacturer of cannabis products (and as manufacturing such cannabis product).
EXCEPTION.—Paragraph (1) shall not apply with respect to any cannabis product which is for such person’s own personal consumption or use.
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But not the Cuervo...right? :laugh:
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Where I grew up, and later, where I went to college, being said to be able to "drive like a bootlegger" was a compliment to your skill.
I have heard this. "if you are running drugs across state lines or anywhere, obey the law".
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...hmmm ....some things tend to escape my memory, but I do remember "Acapulco Gold". happy77
It was considered a fine variety of weed, back in the days before Purple Sinsemilla. Now, all the legal-grade weed is "unpollinated." No seeds, and there's a good commercial reason for that. It's hard to grow your own weed if there are no seeds. Seeds used to be the absolute trash part of the flower tops, but now fetch prices higher than the actual weed. Cut out the seeds, and you stop people from growing their own.
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It was considered a fine variety of weed, back in the days before Purple Sinsemilla. Now, all the legal-grade weed is "unpollinated." No seeds, and there's a good commercial reason for that. It's hard to grow your own weed if there are no seeds. Seeds used to be the absolute trash part of the flower tops, but now fetch prices higher than the actual weed. Cut out the seeds, and you stop people from growing their own.
Ammo shortage anyone?
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But not the Cuervo...right? :laugh:
One Tequila, two tequila, three tequila...
I do recall having a game of chess over a bottle of Mescal one night, playing against another grad student from Brooklyn. Half way through the bottle, the game was declared a stalemate over being too drunk to make the moves on the board....
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It was considered a fine variety of weed, back in the days before Purple Sinsemilla. Now, all the legal-grade weed is "unpollinated." No seeds, and there's a good commercial reason for that. It's hard to grow your own weed if there are no seeds. Seeds used to be the absolute trash part of the flower tops, but now fetch prices higher than the actual weed. Cut out the seeds, and you stop people from growing their own.
Purple Sinsemilla is a new one to me -- I must have missed it .... or wasn't paying attention.
Yes, I've heard seeds are hard to come by.
I'm surprised @corbe isn't weighing in on this conversation.
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One Tequila, two tequila, three tequila...
I do recall having a game of chess over a bottle of Mescal one night, playing against another grad student from Brooklyn. Half way through the bottle, the game was declared a stalemate over being too drunk to make the moves on the board....
My Cuervo days ended 25 years ago.
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And it's also what's driving people from Blue states to Red ones.
@txradioguy
Hadn't thought of that. Good take.
Just know...it's not only dirty hippie Commies who smoke weed. happy77
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Anyone remember Paraquat?
LOL!
I also recall that the Roher 714 Quaalude, once discontinued and made felony, saw Mexico come out with their own version called "Mandrax".
Came in foiled strips of ten (10).
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My Cuervo days ended 25 years ago.
Back in my younger days, Tequila Sunrise was my preferred drink...until I had one too many. Then I met my hubby and he introduced me to Scotch. I can't drink anymore (sigh) and I really do miss a good double shot of Glenfiddich or Glenmorangie.
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My Cuervo days ended 25 years ago.
It has been 31 years for me...I don't much miss it.
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LOL!
I also recall that the Roher 714 Quaalude, once discontinued and made felony, saw Mexico come out with their own version called "Mandrax".
Came in foiled strips of ten (10).
714 was Joe Friday's badge number....jus' sayin'.
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I have heard this. "if you are running drugs across state lines or anywhere, obey the law".
Yeah, the trick for those guys is to blend in. Mules are expendable, too.
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LOL!
I also recall that the Roher 714 Quaalude, once discontinued and made felony, saw Mexico come out with their own version called "Mandrax".
Came in foiled strips of ten (10).
A friend had the personalized license plate "QUAZY" until they refused to renew it.
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Purple Sinsemilla is a new one to me -- I must have missed it .... or wasn't paying attention.
Yes, I've heard seeds are hard to come by.
I'm surprised @corbe isn't weighing in on this conversation.
It was among the first "Sinsemillas" back in the 70's. Sinsemilla, by definition, is "unpollinated," and therefore more potent. The trick is growing the females while keeping them far away from males to prevent pollination. Pretty much requires indoor farms with advanced HEPA air filtration.
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714 was Joe Friday's badge number....jus' sayin'.
Is this where Good Friday came from?
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Back in my younger days, Tequila Sunrise was my preferred drink...until I had one too many. Then I met my hubby and he introduced me to Scotch. I can't drink anymore (sigh) and I really do miss a good double shot of Glenfiddich or Glenmorangie.
I don't much care for Scotch, but we have Glenfiddich in the Castle Bar.
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It was among the first "Sinsemillas" back in the 70's. Sinsemilla, by definition, is "unpollinated," and therefore more potent. The trick is growing the females while keeping them far away from males to prevent pollination. Pretty much requires indoor farms with advanced HEPA air filtration.
Thus the old saying. Seeds don't make Sinse.
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Is this where Good Friday came from?
Nah. That was before Joe's time.
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Yep, the assh*le who is doing 15 under and gets the traffic snarl going that leads to a pileup, likely not caught up in it--the difference from drunks.
You're close enough to I-95 and the "Suicide Circle" (Capital Beltway--495) to know that traffic deaths there are a near daily thing (only helo transport to trauma units has cut that--and the number of federal workers "working form home".)
A lot of people aren't going to work, some won't be working there again, and even the kid run over by a truck died of COVID.
Actually, the exact opposite is true right now...anyway.
As you pointed out, the lighter traffic has seen a drive from the Beltway up I-270 to Frederick, Maryland cut to about 25 minutes ...down from 35-40.
And guess what? It's a lot safer if you use the police logs/reports on traffic accidents/incidents.
Those highways were designed to accommodate an 85mph speed limit. I-95 and I-70 already raised the speed limits to 70.
I can go West to Hagerstown from Frederick in about 15 minutes down from 30 minutes...average 80-85 mph.
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Thus the old saying. Seeds don't make Sinse.
888high58888
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I don't much care for Scotch, but we have Glenfiddich in the Castle Bar.
:beer: Well, please serve your next scotch drinker one for me!!
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Thus the old saying. Seeds don't make Sinse.
Youngsters don't get this one...
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714 was Joe Friday's badge number....jus' sayin'.
Dum-DE...DUM-DUM! :silly:
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Actually, the exact opposite is true right now...anyway.
As you pointed out, the lighter traffic has seen a drive from the Beltway up I-270 to Frederick, Maryland cut to about 25 minutes ...down from 35-40.
And guess what? It's a lot safer if you use the police logs/reports on traffic accidents/incidents.
Those highways were designed to accommodate an 85mph speed limit. I-95 and I-70 already raised the speed limits to 70.
I can go West to Hagerstown from Frederick in about 15 minutes down from 30 minutes...average 80-85 mph.
Is Maryland still cramming down the Double-Nickel?
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I don't much care for Scotch, but we have Glenfiddich in the Castle Bar.
Expect company. Thirsty company.
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Actually, the exact opposite is true right now...anyway.
As you pointed out, the lighter traffic has seen a drive from the Beltway up I-270 to Frederick, Maryland cut to about 25 minutes ...down from 35-40.
And guess what? It's a lot safer if you use the police logs/reports on traffic accidents/incidents.
Those highways were designed to accommodate an 85mph speed limit. I-95 and I-70 already raised the speed limits to 70.
I can go West to Hagerstown from Frederick in about 15 minutes down from 30 minutes...average 80-85 mph.
Back when, I lived South of all that mess, and the trip up 301 to route 5 to the Beltway or up I-95 in Va. was never dull.
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Dum-DE...DUM-DUM! :silly:
Wow...brings back memories of the Johnny Carson skit....Clapper Caper
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Is Maryland still cramming down the Double-Nickel?
LOL! It's the posted speed limit, but State Police cruisers don't even glance at you unless you're going over 70.
People who drive the posted speed limit are a hazard on the road today.
In Maryland it's a traffic violation to drive in the far left lane unless you're trying to pass somebody. If possible, you're supposed to move to the right.
Not everybody does of course.
The other morning, a State Trooper was going 75 and actually became an 'escort' for a half-dozen cars driving in tandem behind him.
Crazy fun out there now. :laugh:
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LOL! It's the posted speed limit, but State Police cruisers don't even glance at you unless you're going over 70.
People who drive the posted speed limit are a hazard on the road today.
In Maryland it's a traffic violation to drive in the far left lane unless you're trying to pass somebody. If possible, you're supposed to move to the right.
Not everybody does of course.
The other morning, a State Trooper was going 75 and actually became an 'escort' for a half-dozen cars driving in tandem behind him.
Crazy fun out there now. :laugh:
Like I said...
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Like I said...
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@txradioguy
Hadn't thought of that. Good take.
Just know...it's not only dirty hippie Commies who smoke weed. happy77
Very aware of that. It the non dirty hippies are at least respectful about it and do it in the privacy of their own home.
The states where it’s legalized...not so much.
And my wife used to get pissed in Colorado when she drove for Lyft and someone would literally put out their joint before getting in her car.
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Very aware of that. It the non dirty hippies are at least respectful about it and do it in the privacy of their own home.
The states where it’s legalized...not so much.
And my wife used to get pissed in Colorado when she drove for Lyft and someone would literally put out their joint before getting in her car.
Were they crappy tippers? Stink up her car?
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I loved smoking Mandrax, back in the day.
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Were they crappy tippers? Stink up her car?
Yes.
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I loved smoking Mandrax, back in the day.
But only in the day.
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Were they crappy tippers? Stink up her car?
Just a moment of clarity.
If you got 'skunked' it was a real indicator of poor woodcraft. In the crowd I ran with (okay, small crowd) when I was in the boonies, that was a slam-dunk status loser. It would take a while before someone did something stupid enough that it would not be mentioned around a fire (first, you never really get over the stigma).
Now people are paying ridiculous amounts to smell like they got skunked, and half of them don't even realize how lingering and pervasive the odor is. Yes, it will linger in the car for quite a while, even if they aren't actively smoking, and that makes people question the driver...
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I loved smoking Mandrax, back in the day.
Nope. Not me. Only pot or psychedelics for me.
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We us to skip school and go back up into the Addicks Reservoir and pick mushrooms, to this day I still can't tolerate any kind of Tea. Yes, I dropped out of High School the next year.
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I did my share of walking cow pastures. I sure liked Mescaline when available. And acid was always around. But all of that, for me, is knocking on 45 yrs ago.
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Thanks for the statute. Playing a sh__ house lawyer, I found the wording interesting that there are no location exclusions around the taxation provisions. Example, they could have said applicable taxes apply to those states that legalized the substance. By giving an overall and overreaching tax on a federal level..... Does that infer the substance is legal on federal basis? Even if does conflict with DEA regulations and guidelines? Maybe I am missing something.
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Were they crappy tippers? Stink up her car?
Yup. They were that too.
Plus we lived in base there and she was always afraid she wouldn’t get the car aired out properly before going through the gate and the MP’s would think she had been smoking.