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Republicans consider the unthinkable: A gas tax increase to pay for infrastructure
by Josh Siegel | Feb 12, 2018, 12:01 AM
Republicans are weighing whether to raise the federal gas tax. It's an idea they are prone to hate, but they may need it to pay for President Trump’s infrastructure investment plan.
Supporters of the idea note that the tax hasn’t been raised since 1993 and have plenty of evidence that resistance to a hike is wearing down.
The U.S. Chamber of Commerce recently called for the Trump administration and Congress to raise the gas tax by 25 cents per gallon to help pay for an infrastructure package, projecting it would generate more than $375 billion over a decade. For 25 years, the federal tax on gasoline has held steady at 18.4 cents per gallon and 24.4 cents per gallon for diesel. It is not indexed to inflation.
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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/republicans-consider-the-unthinkable-a-gas-tax-increase-to-pay-for-infrastructure/article/2648637 (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/republicans-consider-the-unthinkable-a-gas-tax-increase-to-pay-for-infrastructure/article/2648637)
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Republicans consider the unthinkable: A gas tax increase to pay for infrastructure
by Josh Siegel | Feb 12, 2018, 12:01 AM
Republicans are weighing whether to raise the federal gas tax. It's an idea they are prone to hate, but they may need it to pay for President Trump’s infrastructure investment plan.
Supporters of the idea note that the tax hasn’t been raised since 1993 and have plenty of evidence that resistance to a hike is wearing down.
The U.S. Chamber of Commerce recently called for the Trump administration and Congress to raise the gas tax by 25 cents per gallon to help pay for an infrastructure package, projecting it would generate more than $375 billion over a decade. For 25 years, the federal tax on gasoline has held steady at 18.4 cents per gallon and 24.4 cents per gallon for diesel. It is not indexed to inflation.
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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/republicans-consider-the-unthinkable-a-gas-tax-increase-to-pay-for-infrastructure/article/2648637 (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/republicans-consider-the-unthinkable-a-gas-tax-increase-to-pay-for-infrastructure/article/2648637)
??? So let me get this straight ... Trump is patting himself on the back for a tax cut and putting more $$ into the pockets of most people but wants to repair and expand the infrastructure and now the GOP wants to raise taxes via a gas tax to help pay for it. Got it! Gee, it's not going to take long for the government to spend the money that they just claimed to be putting back in our pockets. 9999hair out0000
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"We are not in favor of a gasoline tax to pay for infrastructure spending,†said David Dziok, a spokesman for Koch Industries. “Doing so would weaken the benefits of comprehensive tax reform by forcing Americans to pay more at the pump. Even worse, it’d be a regressive tax that would hit lower-and middle-income families who pay a higher proportion of their income on energy costs.â€
That's all you needed to know, right there. Big money GOP donors don't want something - it won't happen.
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Makes sense to me. The combination of the tax bill and the recent Congressional compromise to spend more on defense and domestic priorities threatens to blow a hole in the deficit. If we want to fix roads and bridges we have be able to pay for it. The federal gas tax is a simple and fair way to get the revenue needed.
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Just when I start to warm up to the GOP again, they pass a massive spending bill, and start talking about raising taxes.
In the meantime, its been 13 months. No wall yet and Hillary runs free.
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The decaying roads and infrastructure is mostly in your dem contolled Sh*thole states in the North and midwest. Places where money is mismanaged or funneled to welfare programs and such. Don't tax me to pay for a problem 800 miles away.
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The decaying roads and infrastructure is mostly in your dem contolled Sh*thole states in the North and midwest. Places where money is mismanaged or funneled to welfare programs and such. Don't tax me to pay for a problem 800 miles away.
Not hard to see how we got here. The US highway system was inspired by the Autobahn, which was a pet project of national socialism.
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Not hard to see how we got here. The US highway system was inspired by the Autobahn, which was a pet project of national socialism.
Well we do need a place to drive our tanks and such to get to a parade.
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Why not cut spending instead?
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Makes sense to me. The combination of the tax bill and the recent Congressional compromise to spend more on defense and domestic priorities threatens to blow a hole in the deficit. If we want to fix roads and bridges we have be able to pay for it. The federal gas tax is a simple and fair way to get the revenue needed.
“Threatens†- no, “did†blow a hole.
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“Threatens†- no, “did†blow a hole.
Well, yes. Where are the GOP budget hawks these days?
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Why not cut spending instead?
What are you some kind of heretic?
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There's no way around a tax hike, if there are massive spending increases. We best put a stop to this foolishness before it happens. A lot of conservatives are elderly, and are not in a position to deal with inflation.
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Aren't we ALREADY paying a gas tax which was promised to pay for our roads?
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The people need to collectively say 'no' to any more spending or taxes, especially infrastructure, until there is an account for what they have been spending. Obama supposedly spent over a Trillion dollars to fix our infrastructure- with nothing to show for it. Then we have a proposal for another trillion dollars, and now a new tax on top of that.
Let's put these numbers in perspective.
Remember all that damage from the earthquake and Tsunami in Japan that wiped out entire towns in 2011?
They have almost completely rebuilt...
For a cost of... 25 Trillion Yen, or 230 Billion (ie less than 1.4th of what we are proposing for the latest infrastructure spending).
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When they start making decent, reliable, affordable, long-range electric cars, wait until you see the kWh tax dropped on you.
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Everyone eat beans! :silly:
(Sorry, in a silly mood)
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Remember all that damage from the earthquake and Tsunami in Japan that wiped out entire towns in 2011?
They have almost completely rebuilt...
For a cost of... 25 Trillion Yen, or 230 Billion (ie less than 1.4th of what we are proposing for the latest infrastructure spending).
True, but one thing you have to remember: They have a ton of their companies and products in the marketplace generating revenue for them. There needs to be a renaissance of that in the US - not just foreign companies building and investing here.
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There's no way around a tax hike, if there are massive spending increases. We best put a stop to this foolishness before it happens. A lot of conservatives are elderly, and are not in a position to deal with inflation.
The elderly (retirees) drive far less than those of us who commute.
At some point we have to face up to the reality that if we want to fix bridges and roads we have to be willing to pay for it. We can't just keep passing on deficits to our kids - and if inflation returns (that's why the markets have sunk the last week or so), the cost of servicing the deficit will go sky-high.
A 25 cent increase in the federal gas tax (which has remained the same for over 20 years because it's not indexed for inflation, even as cars have become more fuel efficient) is a responsible and fair way of getting the revenue needed for infrastructure.
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The elderly (retirees) drive far less than those of us who commute.
At some point we have to face up to the reality that if we want to fix bridges and roads we have to be willing to pay for it. We can't just keep passing on deficits to our kids - and if inflation returns (that's why the markets have sunk the last week or so), the cost of servicing the deficit will go sky-high.
A 25 cent increase in the federal gas tax (which has remained the same for over 20 years because it's not indexed for inflation, even as cars have become more fuel efficient) is a responsible and fair way of getting the revenue needed for infrastructure.
I never met a liberal who didn't agree with a tax increase.
What is the 25 cent current tax being spent on?
We have a toll road here in Tampa, its about 15 miles. They reported 50 million transactions annually with an average of over $2 per transactions. Thats more than $100 million a year for 15 miles of road. 6 2/3 million dollars per mile per year.
Surprisingly its not painted in gold.
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The people need to collectively say 'no' to any more spending or taxes, especially infrastructure, until there is an account for what they have been spending. Obama supposedly spent over a Trillion dollars to fix our infrastructure- with nothing to show for it. Then we have a proposal for another trillion dollars, and now a new tax on top of that.
Let's put these numbers in perspective.
Remember all that damage from the earthquake and Tsunami in Japan that wiped out entire towns in 2011?
They have almost completely rebuilt...
For a cost of... 25 Trillion Yen, or 230 Billion (ie less than 1.4th of what we are proposing for the latest infrastructure spending).
Japan also has far less surface area (a tenth of what the U.S. has) and a much higher population density. They're able to do much more with less.
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The elderly (retirees) drive far less than those of us who commute.
At some point we have to face up to the reality that if we want to fix bridges and roads we have to be willing to pay for it. We can't just keep passing on deficits to our kids - and if inflation returns (that's why the markets have sunk the last week or so), the cost of servicing the deficit will go sky-high.
A 25 cent increase in the federal gas tax (which has remained the same for over 20 years because it's not indexed for inflation, even as cars have become more fuel efficient) is a responsible and fair way of getting the revenue needed for infrastructure.
Honestly, the best thing we can do is prioritize what government should and shouldn't be involved in. National defense and infrastructure are priorities, but not the major drains on spending. The sooner we get government out of life management, the better. Probably won't happen in my lifetime.
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Japan also has far less surface area (a tenth of what the U.S. has) and a much higher population density. They're able to do much more with less.
I suppose an argument can be made that their situation requires more complexity, but I understand what you mean.
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The elderly (retirees) drive far less than those of us who commute.
At some point we have to face up to the reality that if we want to fix bridges and roads we have to be willing to pay for it. We can't just keep passing on deficits to our kids - and if inflation returns (that's why the markets have sunk the last week or so), the cost of servicing the deficit will go sky-high.
A 25 cent increase in the federal gas tax (which has remained the same for over 20 years because it's not indexed for inflation, even as cars have become more fuel efficient) is a responsible and fair way of getting the revenue needed for infrastructure.
You must not live in PA. Here, our gas prices are way higher than the national average because we have not only a federal tax, but also the highest state gas tax in the nation. An increase in the federal gas task will be a hardship for everyone, particular seniors.
This congress has no idea what a budget is. With a budget, you figure out first how much money you have BEFORE you decide what you want to spend and how much. You don't try to spend money you don't have and then try to find a way to pay for it.
Spending money, then attempting to recoup it through taxes is not going to work. Contrary to what these idiots think, there is no infinite amount of money they can wring from the taxpayers. Eventually, the taxpayers will have no more money to pay. Then what are these crooks going to do? Print more money? Yeah, that worked so well in countries which are now bankrupt.
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Japan also has far less surface area (a tenth of what the U.S. has) and a much higher population density. They're able to do much more with less.
But they also had much more damage, with entire towns wiped off the map. They had to rebuild much from scratch, not just repair.
And as I mentioned, much of this is done.
The big difference is they don't have the bureaucratic red tape we do and their overall cultural attitude is to do more with less and to be as efficient and fast as possible (with very high quality standards that put us to shame).
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More proof that there is nothing but a giant uniparty in D.C.
This is throwing more money after the trillions already spent on "infrastructure that's now become part of the permanent budget figures back in 2013 or so.
How about we find out what happened to those trillions of dollars and why they didn't fix our "crumbling infrastructure" before we toss more billions on yet another FDT style WPA.
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The decaying roads and infrastructure is mostly in your dem contolled Sh*thole states in the North and midwest. Places where money is mismanaged or funneled to welfare programs and such. Don't tax me to pay for a problem 800 miles away.
That is true.. The reality is this, when they get the funds for roads, they tend to spend it elsewhere, like on Bike paths. Also, a lot of contractors tend to take their sweet ass time completing the project too.
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@txradioguy
And yet, I still keep hearing I have to vote Republican in order to "save us" from the Democrats.
When someone can adequately explain the difference between the two parties, maybe I'll listen. But I don't see a difference. There isn't one and probably hasn't been for decades.
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@txradioguy
And yet, I still keep hearing I have to vote Republican in order to "save us" from the Democrats.
When someone can adequately explain the difference between the two parties, maybe I'll listen. But I don't see a difference. There isn't one and probably hasn't been for decades.
One wants to sprint over the fiscal cliff, the other just wants a leisurely stroll.
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Makes sense to me. ....The federal gas tax is a simple and fair way to get the revenue needed.
Of course it does.
To a liberal Socialist such as yourself - every single thing we expect from Democrat Socialists, comes right out of your fingertips to be promoted on a Conservative web forum while you insist that you are a Conservative yourself.
You are nothing of the kind. We already know you are pro-abortion, anti-gun, Pro-Obamacare and pro-homosexuality - we once again have yet another example of the fact you sir, are absolutely NO Conservative, as you reveal you are also pro-tax for the big government you want to empower.
You are a liberal Socialist Democrat at best.
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"We are not in favor of a gasoline tax to pay for infrastructure spending,†said David Dziok, a spokesman for Koch Industries. “Doing so would weaken the benefits of comprehensive tax reform by forcing Americans to pay more at the pump. Even worse, it’d be a regressive tax that would hit lower-and middle-income families who pay a higher proportion of their income on energy costs.â€
That's all you needed to know, right there. Big money GOP donors don't want something - it won't happen.
It's not so much that the Koch Brothers don't like it, it's that what they say is true It is a regressive tax that would hit lower-and middle-income families who pay a higher proportion of their income on energy costs.â€
Not a good idea.
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Just when I start to warm up to the GOP again, they pass a massive spending bill, and start talking about raising taxes.
In the meantime, its been 13 months. No wall yet and Hillary runs free.
Well, she limps free.
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Why not cut spending instead?
That is a better idea. I strolled over to TOS yesterday because I like to read the Sunday Morning Talk Show thread. They are not thrilled. Even Bray, reliable Trump supporter, is ticked off at Trump for supporting the Tax bill with such a high limit on spending.
This would not warm anyone's hearts. If we expect people to go to work, we should not make it to expensive for them to get there.
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Japan also has far less surface area (a tenth of what the U.S. has) and a much higher population density. They're able to do much more with less.
Exactly what I was thinking. The U.S. is big. Texas is big. Commutes are long. Don't like it.
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It's not so much that the Koch Brothers don't like it, it's that what they say is true It is a regressive tax that would hit lower-and middle-income families who pay a higher proportion of their income on energy costs.â€
Not a good idea.
It's nice to know they care. However, they're heavily involved in the energy sector, so don't think they're awash in altruism. They also weren't happy with campaign positions on immigration. They like access to cheap labor. Notice how the timing went on events here:
Jan 5 - Trump meets with GOP members at Camp David
Jan 16 - Gen Kelly says Trump was not 'fully informed' on immigration during campaign and has gone through an 'evolutionary process.'
Jan 26 - Koch brothers announce increased donations and go 'all in' for 2018.
Don't be fooled as to who calls the shots and has power in DC. We were told during the inauguration the power was finally back in the hands of the people. It has been and still is in the grip of big money donors on both sides.
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It's nice to know they care. However, they're heavily involved in the energy sector, so don't think they're awash in altruism. They also weren't happy with campaign positions on immigration. They like access to cheap labor. Notice how the timing went on events here:
Jan 5 - Trump meets with GOP members at Camp David
Jan 16 - Gen Kelly says Trump was not 'fully informed' on immigration during campaign and has gone through an 'evolutionary process.'
Jan 26 - Koch brothers announce increased donations and go 'all in' for 2018.
Don't be fooled as to who calls the shots and has power in DC. We were told during the inauguration the power was finally back in the hands of the people. It has been and still is in the grip of big money donors on both sides.
I don't care.
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I'm not interested in some convoluted conspiracy theory involving the Koch Brothers or anyone else.
The Koch Brothers made a sensible statement about the downside of raising gas taxes.
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It's neither convoluted, nor conspiratorial. People who donate large amounts of money in politics expect certain things to happen. None of the money pouring into the Clinton Foundation was for selfless reasons. They wanted and expected something in return, but their candidate lost the race.
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Give me a federal budget not full of pork and bennies and then talk about a gas tax for infrastructure.
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Of course it does.
To a liberal Socialist such as yourself - every single thing we expect from Democrat Socialists, comes right out of your fingertips to be promoted on a Conservative web forum while you insist that you are a Conservative yourself.
You are nothing of the kind. We already know you are pro-abortion, anti-gun, Pro-Obamacare and pro-homosexuality - we once again have yet another example of the fact you sir, are absolutely NO Conservative, as you reveal you are also pro-tax for the big government you want to empower.
You are a liberal Socialist Democrat at best.
Oh, shut up.
If the government is determined to spend billions on repairing infrastructure, then it should pay for it.
Paying one's debts is eminently conservative. Passing on trillions in deficits to paid for by our kids is irresponsible.
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If the government is determined to spend billions on repairing infrastructure, then it should pay for it.
It can't pay for everything they are throwing money at right now.
How many more billions should they toss into "shovel ready jobs" before we realize the funds aren't going where they need to go?
Paying one's debts is eminently conservative. Passing on trillions in deficits to paid for by our kids is irresponsible.
And yet you support this boondoggle.
Ever hear the term taxiation without representation?
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And yet, I still keep hearing I have to vote Republican in order to "save us" from the Democrats.
That is all the Oligarchy party hacks and Plantation slaves have to get anyone to vote for their arm of the Uniparty: intimidation. "Vote for our guy because the other guy is worse and you will be a traitor if you don't and will be counted among the enemy when the time comes".
Based on the fruits of the last 8 years - there isn't a lick's worth of difference between a Democrat or a Republican except in how fast one wants us to arrive at full Socialism/Communism. Both parties are marching to that same destination, one just wants to get there via hyperspace and the other via an afternoon drive. The end result desired is the same from both parties.
When someone can adequately explain the difference between the two parties, maybe I'll listen.
They will throw Gorsuch in your face and the "tax cuts" and all the other smoke and mirrors they insist showcase the difference. Or they will simply state that if you cannot see the difference, you are a dumbsh*t.
But I don't see a difference. There isn't one and probably hasn't been for decades.
Neither do I.
There is no opposition party to the Democrat Socialists/Marxists. They are all one big Oligarchy working together for the greater growth of all-encompassing Government rule.
All-the-while the GOP voter base is stuck in a circle of Normalcy Bias running on the fuel of Cognitive Dissonance - even when their own party's contempt for Conservatives and their principles has smacked them clear in the face, over and over and over and over again.
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And now this.....
Trump's $4.4 trillion budget moves deficit sharply higher
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trumps-4-trillion-budget-helps-062340996.html?.tsrc=bell-brknews
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Congress scored the first of what could be a series of bipartisan year-end victories late Thursday night with the final passage of a $305 billion measure to fund roads, bridges, and rail lines.
The five-year infrastructure bill is the longest reauthorization of federal transportation programs that Congress has approved in more than a decade, ending an era of stopgap bills and half-measures that left the Highway Trust Fund nearly broke and frustrated local governments and business groups. President Obama will sign the bill into law, as it fulfills his long-running push for lawmakers to pass an infrastructure bill even though it is significantly less than the $478 billion he sought in his own plan earlier this year.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/a-major-infrastructure-bill-clears-congress/418827/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/a-major-infrastructure-bill-clears-congress/418827/)
Combine that with the $103 Billion that was tucked away into the 2009 American Recovery and Reinvestment Act and there's Half a trillion dollars for "infratstucture" that still being funded through next year!
You'd think with that kind of money already expended we'd have the finest road system in the world.
No not another damn federal dime on this crap until the money already allocated is tracked down and spent properly.
Right now it looks like the Congress Critter's want to turn the entirety of the U.S. interstate system into a bigger version of Boston's Big Dig.
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I also think that those who drive electric cars should start paying a tax.
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That is true.. The reality is this, when they get the funds for roads, they tend to spend it elsewhere, like on Bike paths. Also, a lot of contractors tend to take their sweet ass time completing the project too.
And road jobs, at least around here, always pay union scale. Bank for me, as a painter at the time. my bids were easy 4x higher because of that requirement.
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Oh, shut up.
Again, I invite you to make the attempt to do so.
If the government is determined to spend billions on repairing infrastructure, then it should pay for it.
Government doesn't pay for jack shit. The taxpayers like me, pay for it.
And no... this government beast does not represent me or the taxpayer. It represents only itself.
Paying one's debts is eminently conservative.
The government's trillions and trillions of dollars in debt is not a debt I have incurred. Your Socialist Comrades in the Big Government Oligarchy have incurred that debt to ensconce themselves into permanent power and choose corporate winners and losers at the behest of donors and lobbyists.
Where's the 800-billion plus dollars Obama raised in his infamous 'American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009' to pay for road and bridges infrastructure???
Less than ten years later Trump needs another Trillion to do the same damn thing???
Like I will tell your political counterparts in the Oligarchy - how stupid do you think we are?
Passing on trillions in deficits to paid for by our kids is irresponsible.
And yet this is exactly what you champion, because morons like you keep wanting government to spend more than they take in via tax revenue.
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The sooner we get government out of life management, the better. Probably won't happen in my lifetime.
No. It will likely never happen.
Because that will require a shooting war to achieve.
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I also think that those who drive electric cars should start paying a tax.
If the few people driving electric cars didn't get the tax kickbacks they do...no one would buy them.
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If the few people driving electric cars didn't get the tax kickbacks they do...no one would buy them.
Oh well..
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Oh well..
I agree. Especially when you look at what it takes to make the batteries for those things.
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I agree. Especially when you look at what it takes to make the batteries for those things.
I always laugh at those pushing things like electric cars, solar panels, and wind turbines as green. They obviously don't understand the process and industrial waste that goes into making them.
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Just when I start to warm up to the GOP again, they pass a massive spending bill, and start talking about raising taxes.
In the meantime, its been 13 months. No wall yet and Hillary runs free.
IMO......i's like warming up to a rattlesnake. Oh sure... it looks so pretty and glittery from a distance... but the closer you get to it, the uglier the snake appears.... and the chances of getting bit get real.
The GOP has been compromised by the radical left. They do not now represent (nor have they ever really represented) Conservative values OR Conservatism. They are just the 'other' party with the same skin.
Passing another tax, whether a gas tax or whatever, is what the Democrats would do.... as it is the equivalent of the Government giveth and the Government taketh away (targeted tax increases vs. across the board increases). Another smoke and mirrors game... that would make the ignorant that do not drive 'think' they dodged the tax bullet.... which is BS.
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Just when I start to warm up to the GOP again, they pass a massive spending bill, and start talking about raising taxes.
In the meantime, its been 13 months. No wall yet and Hillary runs free.
Yes, you summed things up quite nicely!
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Everyone eat beans! :silly:
(Sorry, in a silly mood)
:silly: :rolling: Heck of an idea!
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I also think that those who drive electric cars should start paying a tax.
Don't be crazy.
My daughter has a long commute to her school every day. She just bought a Prius ... this is her third one. It get 50 mpg.
She probably already paid more than for a similar gas user.
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Everyone eat beans! :silly:
(Sorry, in a silly mood)
Perhaps not as far-fetched as you might think...
VIENNA WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT TO USE SEWAGE GAS FOR POWER GENERATION
https://www.processingmagazine.com/vienna-wastewater-treatment-plant-to-use-sewage-gas-for-power-generation/ (https://www.processingmagazine.com/vienna-wastewater-treatment-plant-to-use-sewage-gas-for-power-generation/)
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I agree. Especially when you look at what it takes to make the batteries for those things.
It's hilarious.... since those driving those "clean energy" vehicles are apparently clueless about the hazards of the batteries that will pollute the earth some day. They actually think they are saving the planet...lol. Same kind of ignorance behind those light bulbs containing mercury. Sheer ssdd liberal stupidity, IOW.
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The GOP has been compromised by the radical left. They do not now represent (nor have they ever really represented) Conservative values OR Conservatism. They are just the 'other' party with the same skin.
I arrived at that final conclusion in 2014. It's been a real eye opener in terms of those who we used to assume were fellow Conservatives - reveal they are nothing but big government party hacks themselves as long as it's their guy and party running the show.
As has been said myriad times, the GOP needs to go the way of the Whigs or simply be folded into the Democrat Party where it truly belongs.
Conservatives have been rendered political irrelevant, and will remain so as long as it hitches itself to the shell game the Oligarchy beguiles them into playing, while working feverishly to destroy any viability to effect policy or the culture we have.
I am convinced that as the hatred for biblical Christianity grows in this country - so too will the hatred grow towards anyone espousing Constitutional Conservatism, since the two are usually linked. What Mitch McConnell vowed to do to Conservatives in 2014 should have been the wake-up call that the Republican party HATES Conservatives as much as or more than the Democrats do.
And this is the result of a voter base that refuses to see the truth when it is right in front of their face.
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Makes sense to me. The combination of the tax bill and the recent Congressional compromise to spend more on defense and domestic priorities threatens to blow a hole in the deficit. If we want to fix roads and bridges we have be able to pay for it. The federal gas tax is a simple and fair way to get the revenue needed.
Sure by putting more of the onus on those least able to pay for it , those who can't afford new or even fairly new more efficient vehicles, but then that's how socialism always works by crapping on the little guy. But hey it's for the greater good.........right?
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[...] those who can't afford new or even fairly new more efficient vehicles [...]
I dunno... You ever tried to put two cords of wood into a Prius?
Or even a newer than 80's 3/4 or 1T pickup?
Some things ain't worth doing.
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I dunno... You ever tried to put two cords of wood into a Prius?
Or even a newer than 80's 3/4 or 1T pickup?
Some things ain't worth doing.
Will two chords of music even fit?
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Those who use public roads should pay for them, including those who get their supplies transported over them. The required maintenance of a road has a lot to do with the weight of the vehicles that travel over it. Electric cars are heavier than similar sized petroleum fueled cars. Electric cars don't begin to pay their fair share of road costs.
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Will two chords of music even fit?
There once was a man from Boston
Who went out and bought him an Austin
He had room for his ass
and a gallon of gas...
That ol limerick needs an update. But nothing rhymes with Prius.
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There once was a man from Boston
Who went out and bought him an Austin
He had room for his ass
and a gallon of gas...
That ol limerick needs an update. But nothing rhymes with Prius.
Best I could come up with on short notice:
There once were loons who bought the Prius
who thought everyone will envy who sees us
pumping gas is a crime
while they live off our dime
and there is no one with sense left to free us
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Best I could come up with on short notice:
There once were loons who bought the Prius
who thought everyone will envy who sees us
pumping gas is a crime
while they live off our dime
and there is no one with sense left to free us
:silly:
888high58888
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Everyone eat beans! :silly:
(Sorry, in a silly mood)
@Freya
You sure you want cheap gas and not just hot air? :rolling: :silly:
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There once was a man from Boston
Who went out and bought him an Austin
He had room for his ass
and a gallon of gas...
That ol limerick needs an update. But nothing rhymes with Prius.
There once was a man from Boston
Who drove around in an Austin.
The man was tall
But the car was small
And his balls hung out and he lost 'em.
There once was a man from Machias
Who drove around in a Prius
The car used no gas
And was slow as an ass,
So he begged: "From this lunacy, free us!"
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There once was a man named Cyrus
who ditched his Accord for a Prius
He'd tell us we're old
leaving us in the cold
but his new toy can never get by us!
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Don't be crazy.
My daughter has a long commute to her school every day. She just bought a Prius ... this is her third one. It get 50 mpg.
She probably already paid more than for a similar gas user.
In road taxes? Don't be silly, the Prius puts just as many pounds on the road per mile as a non hybrid, and non hybrids weren't taxpayer subsidized either. A tesla has a curb weight of 5440 lbs and pays no gas/road tax is taxpayer subsidized at purchase and also at some charging stations, a dodge charger V8 has a curb weight of 4400 pounds gets 25 mpg and no taxpayer subsidies. Which one causes more road wear and also pays no gas tax to help maintain the roads it ads wear too?
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Title:
"Republicans consider the unthinkable: A gas tax increase to pay for infrastructure"
Memo to Republicans:
Take off your thought-repellant hats and learn a little from Pennsylvania.
A few years' back, PA had a Republican legislature and a Republican governor.
The Republican governor (forget his name) pushed through a huge gas tax increase, in the interest of improving the highway infrastructure.
Come the next election, there wasn't no Republican governor no mo' ...
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Couldn't resist:
There once was a driver in a Preius
Content in their arrogance to Free us
From the follies of fossil fuels,
And nuclear energy Armageddon.
Now the TSB is on it’s way
Your batteries are leaking all over the highway
You lost the argument, hit a Truck
Carrying Whale Oil, proving you are a dumb f....
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Those who use public roads should pay for them, including those who get their supplies transported over them. The required maintenance of a road has a lot to do with the weight of the vehicles that travel over it. Electric cars are heavier than similar sized petroleum fueled cars. Electric cars don't begin to pay their fair share of road costs.
I was recently thinking that a tire tax might make more sense than a gas tax. The more wear on your tires, the more wear on the road.
It's far from perfect, but probably a lot more accurate overall than a tax on a gallon of gas.
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It's far from perfect, but probably a lot more accurate overall than a tax on a gallon of gas.
Well between that idea and the Republicans looking at a tax on each mile traveled to squeeze more money out of us - (WITH a gas tax that will remain in some capacity of not in total) is a given in this new era of Statist Big Government that both parties now champion together.
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Makes sense to me. The combination of the tax bill and the recent Congressional compromise to spend more on defense and domestic priorities threatens to blow a hole in the deficit. If we want to fix roads and bridges we have be able to pay for it. The federal gas tax is a simple and fair way to get the revenue needed.
I certainly have no problem with "Use" taxes. A tax on fuel should cover the costs pf providing roads. But only that and no more. If you want to fund AMTRAC... bill AMTRAC riders. Same with ACELA..ACELA useres should pay the costs. Same with AIrports... put the cost on the price of a ticket.
Likewise , make sure bicycle riders share the cost, if they want to share the road.
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I was recently thinking that a tire tax might make more sense than a gas tax. The more wear on your tires, the more wear on the road.
It's far from perfect, but probably a lot more accurate overall than a tax on a gallon of gas.
Where I am currently we go through a brand new set of Michelin tires in a year and a half (less than 30,000 miles). That's because the roads to/from our home are very windy. You would also be encouraging government to make their roads more abrasive and the theft of tires to avoid the tax.
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It's hilarious.... since those driving those "clean energy" vehicles are apparently clueless about the hazards of the batteries that will pollute the earth some day. They actually think they are saving the planet...lol. Same kind of ignorance behind those light bulbs containing mercury. Sheer ssdd liberal stupidity, IOW.
No, it's about saving money, as in gas money. Nothing liberal intended.
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:silly:
888high58888
Ha, ha. It is a nice car and gets 50 MPG. Her husband has a pickup if that makes you happier.
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(http://The Trump administration is expected to introduce a plan soon to revitalize the nation’s roads, bridges, highways, and other infrastructure. Administration officials have proposed providing $200 billion in federal money to spur at least $1.3 trillion in spending from state and local governments and private industry.)
This has nothing to do with reducing the deficit. It is to spur even more spending on the state and local level. This kind of money with strings attached scheme creates stupid projects like light rail and highways to nowhere.
No thanks.
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Where I am currently we go through a brand new set of Michelin tires in a year and a half (less than 30,000 miles). That's because the roads to/from our home are very windy. You would also be encouraging government to make their roads more abrasive and the theft of tires to avoid the tax.
Like I said, far from perfect, but better than a gas tax.
If you're going through tires because the roads are windy, that also means you're wearing down the roads faster than if they weren't windy. Or you're buying Michelin (I don't know how they are these days, but 20-odd years ago when I paid close attention those things lasted about half as long as a Tiger Paw, though you could increase their lifetime significantly by idling away from the tire shop).
A theoretical increase in tire theft to avoid the tire tax would be offset by a theoretical decrease in gas theft to avoid the gas tax.
Like I said, far from perfect, but better than a gas tax.
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Aren't we ALREADY paying a gas tax which was promised to pay for our roads?
We are. We are paying taxes on top of taxes with each purchase, because the property taxes, utility taxes, sales taxes, delivery taxes, and company payroll taxes are all build into the cost of everything we buy.
But how the heck can we run a government with only $4 Trillion? It's already been trimmed to the bone by sequester. /sarc
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Pretty soon, someone is going to introduce the idea of a nationwide toll system with FDOT tag lanes on every federal highway.
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@txradioguy
And yet, I still keep hearing I have to vote Republican in order to "save us" from the Democrats.
When someone can adequately explain the difference between the two parties, maybe I'll listen. But I don't see a difference. There isn't one and probably hasn't been for decades.
The GOP has the guy with the sweetass zingers like Low Energy Jeb, and Lyin' Ted.
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Like I said, far from perfect, but better than a gas tax.
If you're going through tires because the roads are windy, that also means you're wearing down the roads faster than if they weren't windy. Or you're buying Michelin (I don't know how they are these days, but 20-odd years ago when I paid close attention those things lasted about half as long as a Tiger Paw, though you could increase their lifetime significantly by idling away from the tire shop).
A theoretical increase in tire theft to avoid the tire tax would be offset by a theoretical decrease in gas theft to avoid the gas tax.
Like I said, far from perfect, but better than a gas tax.
Michelin uses a softer rubber to make the tires a more cushioned ride and quieter, but they wear out faster.
The bigger problem with a tire tax is people will ride their tires past the point of safety if they can't afford tires. That causes accidents. If someone can't afford gas they can't drive. Plus robbing me a few dollars each week in gas taxes is less stressful than raping me hard every 6 months to a year with a much larger tire tax.
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Michelin uses a softer rubber to make the tires a more cushioned ride and quieter, but they wear out faster.
The bigger problem with a tire tax is people will ride their tires past the point of safety if they can't afford tires. That causes accidents. If someone can't afford gas they can't drive. Plus robbing me a few dollars each week in gas taxes is less stressful than raping me hard every 6 months to a year with a much larger tire tax.
That is generally true about Michelins but we've had many different brands of tires on multiple cars and none have lasted very long due to the curvy road. When we move to Mesa AZ I expect that our tires will last a lot longer...
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Michelin uses a softer rubber to make the tires a more cushioned ride and quieter, but they wear out faster.
The bigger problem with a tire tax is people will ride their tires past the point of safety if they can't afford tires. That causes accidents. If someone can't afford gas they can't drive. Plus robbing me a few dollars each week in gas taxes is less stressful than raping me hard every 6 months to a year with a much larger tire tax.
Good points.
I think a tire tax is a much more fair system than a gas tax since it more accurately taxes based on usage of a shared resource, but you're right -- people don't make economic decisions based on "fair".
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(http://The Trump administration is expected to introduce a plan soon to revitalize the nation’s roads, bridges, highways, and other infrastructure. Administration officials have proposed providing $200 billion in federal money to spur at least $1.3 trillion in spending from state and local governments and private industry.)
This has nothing to do with reducing the deficit. It is to spur even more spending on the state and local level. This kind of money with strings attached scheme creates stupid projects like light rail and highways to nowhere.
No thanks.
For once you and I agree.
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We are. We are paying taxes on top of taxes with each purchase, because the property taxes, utility taxes, sales taxes, delivery taxes, and company payroll taxes are all build into the cost of everything we buy.
But how the heck can we run a government with only $4 Trillion? It's already been trimmed to the bone by sequester. /sarc
Trump sez the government needs $4.4 trillion, a nifty 10% increase over Obama.
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Pretty soon, someone is going to introduce the idea of a nationwide toll system with FDOT tag lanes on every federal highway.
I have no doubt. Trump has already made the statement that some of the infrastructure (highways) will be paid by using private contractors. Enter Trump cronies (Giuliani included) who are going to make a fortune on the new highways and bridges and they will have tolls wherever possible paying for the highways and bridges which overtime will pay for them; meanwhile the gas tax will have increased and the tolls will always be a source of revenue. In the beginning people will make more money and people will be back to work but inflation will soar, prices will skyrocket, taxes and deficit will be through the roof.
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Aren't we ALREADY paying a gas tax which was promised to pay for our roads?
@driftdiver not just federal taxes but state and local taxes too.
Gasoline:
Federal - 18.40
Average of state taxes - 27.85
Diesel:
Federal - 24.40
Average of state taxes - 28.62
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I have no doubt. Trump has already made the statement that some of the infrastructure (highways) will be paid by using private contractors. Enter Trump cronies (Giuliani included) who are going to make a fortune on the new highways and bridges and they will have tolls wherever possible paying for the highways and bridges which overtime will pay for them; meanwhile the gas tax will have increased and the tolls will always be a source of revenue. In the beginning people will make more money and people will be back to work but inflation will soar, prices will skyrocket, taxes and deficit will be through the roof.
These already exist. They are mostly through several layers of different organizations but the toll expressways common in many areas and the example I gave above all have a connection to private entities.
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These already exist. They are mostly through several layers of different organizations but the toll expressways common in many areas and the example I gave above all have a connection to private entities.
I wonder how may Trump owns or his sons are going to own. Ok ... here comes the criticism ... and accusations, but you watch the NAFTA superhighway will emerge joining the U.S. Mexico and Canada; which I mentioned while he was campaigning and before he was elected.
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I wonder how may Trump owns or his sons are going to own. Ok ... here comes the criticism ... and accusations, but you watch the NAFTA superhighway will emerge joining the U.S. Mexico and Canada; which I mentioned while he was campaigning and before he was elected.
@libertybele
Seems he was in real estate and not roadways. Sounds like fakenews on your part.
Its a fact our roadways and bridges are in bad shape. IMO its due to decades of neglect and the economic policies which force people to move to cities. That screws up the economics of the federal road system.
Then there's the obvious corruption involved in the entire process.
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For once you and I agree.
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I wonder how may Trump owns or his sons are going to own. Ok ... here comes the criticism ... and accusations, but you watch the NAFTA superhighway will emerge joining the U.S. Mexico and Canada; which I mentioned while he was campaigning and before he was elected.
The one you’d probably want to keep an eye on is McConnell and his investments. He’d have inside scoop on policy and legislation. His wife, Elaine Chao, is Transportation Secretary. She spoke about infrastructure today at the press briefing.
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@libertybele
Seems he was in real estate and not roadways. Sounds like fakenews on your part.
Its a fact our roadways and bridges are in bad shape. IMO its due to decades of neglect and the economic policies which force people to move to cities. That screws up the economics of the federal road system.
Then there's the obvious corruption involved in the entire process.
Fake news? I'm not reporting anything, I am merely stating what I have felt for quite awhile is going to occur during the Trump administration. I have always stated that he may make improvements and get the economy going, but I wasn't sure we were going to like how he's going to get us there. One of the 'projects' I predicted would be his improvement of infrastructure and implementing the NAFTA Superhighway connecting Mexico, US and Canada. This has yet to be seen -- so no, I am absolutely NOT spreading fake news, rather my opinion of what I've believe has been his agenda long before he was elected. His plan for improving infrastructure is in the works ... we'll see what happens.
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The one you’d probably want to keep an eye on is McConnell and his investments. He’d have inside scoop on policy and legislation. His wife, Elaine Chao, is Transportation Secretary. She spoke about infrastructure today at the press briefing.
Another one to watch is Trump's buddy; Giuliani. Granted -- these articles are very dated, the concept(s) for the most part died, but it could very well be revived under Trump.
http://www.texasturf.org/2012-06-01-03-09-30/press-releases/texas-state-wide/671-giuliani-has-ties-to-trans-texas-corridor (http://www.texasturf.org/2012-06-01-03-09-30/press-releases/texas-state-wide/671-giuliani-has-ties-to-trans-texas-corridor)
https://www.aim.org/aim-column/giuliani-linked-to-nafta-superhighway/ (https://www.aim.org/aim-column/giuliani-linked-to-nafta-superhighway/)
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Makes sense to me. The combination of the tax bill and the recent Congressional compromise to spend more on defense and domestic priorities threatens to blow a hole in the deficit. If we want to fix roads and bridges we have be able to pay for it. The federal gas tax is a simple and fair way to get the revenue needed.
I agree it is simple, as it forces oil companies to be the tax collectors. No tax should ever to hidden like that, One reason I would never favor a VAT.
Fair?
In what way is that fair to people who utilize the highways for their job?
There is zero chance that any added taxes would be targeted for infrastructure anyway. It doesn't happen now as it simply goes into the general kitty, so why should it be for the new taxes?
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I agree it is simple, as it forces oil companies to be the tax collectors. No tax should ever to hidden like that, One reason I would never favor a VAT.
Fair?
In what way is that fair to people who utilize the highways for their job?
There is zero chance that any added taxes would be targeted for infrastructure anyway. It doesn't happen now as it simply goes into the general kitty, so why should it be for the new taxes?
Well, it does not go into the general kitty, though some of the fuel tax is diverted for non-road use. Think Acela/Amtrac and airports. As well as totally unrelated use.
However, corruption aside. Use taxes are the best possible tax. Quite Conservative..... you use it... you pay for it.
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I also think that those who drive electric cars should start paying a tax.
Precedent is already there. Look at taxes imposed on tobacco-free smoking that were intended originally for tobacco.
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Don't be crazy.
My daughter has a long commute to her school every day. She just bought a Prius ... this is her third one. It get 50 mpg.
She probably already paid more than for a similar gas user.
Does the Prius use public roads? If not, I agree, no tax.
If it does, then the Prius should pay taxes just like gasoline vehicles which use roads.
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Well, it does not go into the general kitty, though some of the fuel tax is diverted for non-road use. Think Acela/Amtrac and airports. As well as totally unrelated use.
However, corruption aside. Use taxes are the best possible tax. Quite Conservative..... you use it... you pay for it.
The trust which the federal gas taxes go to is simply like the infamous Social Security Trust fund.
There is no connection between expenditures or tax income, and Congress has raided the fund in the past.
This is simply trading IOUs between Treasury and the Trust fund, just like the Social Security Trust fund operates.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/taxanalysts/2013/10/24/the-gas-tax-doesnt-work-because-politicians-broke-it/#4ee8170d6bf1 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/taxanalysts/2013/10/24/the-gas-tax-doesnt-work-because-politicians-broke-it/#4ee8170d6bf1)
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Just when I start to warm up to the GOP again, they pass a massive spending bill, and start talking about raising taxes.
In the meantime, its been 13 months. No wall yet and Hillary runs free.
Ditto.
If they start finding ways to increase taxes, instead of cutting spending, It will be the nail in the coffin of the GOP...for me at least.
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I've spent most of my life in places where I drive quite a ways daily, in TX, NM, and now CA, and I'm still not sure what the answer is for the road use tax. A mileage tax makes the most sense to me, because it affects people in electric and hybrid as well as gas vehicles. But it is regressive, and people who pay less for housing outside the city then have to pay more to commute. Here in the Los Angeles area, housing is so expensive that working class people often have to travel long distances to work.
One thing that always surprises me, is how few people here carpool.
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Ditto.
If they start finding ways to increase taxes, instead of cutting spending, It will be the nail in the coffin of the GOP...for me at least.
Which is exactly what the RINOs are counting on.
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@LauraTXNM
Welcome to TBR, may your days be many and the hours filled with Laughs and Friends.
Check out the Lodge if you have the time (Link Below), Many, Many good people here.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,297405.msg1604841.html#msg1604841 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,297405.msg1604841.html#msg1604841)
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@LauraTXNM
Welcome to TBR, may your days be many and the hours filled with Laughs and Friends.
Check out the Lodge if you have the time (Link Below), Many, Many good people here.
Thanks, Corbe!
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I've spent most of my life in places where I drive quite a ways daily, in TX, NM, and now CA, and I'm still not sure what the answer is for the road use tax. A mileage tax makes the most sense to me, because it affects people in electric and hybrid as well as gas vehicles. But it is regressive, and people who pay less for housing outside the city then have to pay more to commute. Here in the Los Angeles area, housing is so expensive that working class people often have to travel long distances to work.
One thing that always surprises me, is how few people here carpool.
I don't know why that's surprising. People don't want to be without their cars. It's why the commuter train systems in many places are half empty and every year run in the red.
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I don't know why that's surprising. People don't want to be without their cars. It's why the commuter train systems in many places are half empty and every year run in the red.
I tend to think of everything as a trade-off. If the logistics work, carpooling can pay for most of one's gas. When budgets are tight, it can help. It's just interesting to me, how few people here take the option.
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I tend to think of everything as a trade-off. If the logistics work, carpooling can pay for most of one's gas. When budgets are tight, it can help. It's just interesting to me, how few people here take the option.
By the way, welcome!
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By the way, welcome!
And thank you!
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I tend to think of everything as a trade-off. If the logistics work, carpooling can pay for most of one's gas. When budgets are tight, it can help. It's just interesting to me, how few people here take the option.
Some people here don't like other people stinking up the leather in their expensive cars. I'm one.
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Some people here don't like other people stinking up the leather in their expensive cars. I'm one.
Or spilling coffee, dropping doughnut sprinkles, trying to make everyone listen to Elton John on the commute in, etc.
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Some people here don't like other people stinking up the leather in their expensive cars. I'm one.
Not many of US can afford fine corithian leather in our cars, @Frank Cannon
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Some people here don't like other people stinking up the leather in their expensive cars. I'm one.
Or messing with your rotary phone.....
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Or spilling coffee, dropping doughnut sprinkles, trying to make everyone listen to Elton John on the commute in, etc.
Don't forget breathing, talking, touching the power seat buttons, breathing.
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REAL Detectives back then didn't use AT&T
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Don't forget breathing, talking, touching the power seat buttons, breathing.
And then there's the people that just...
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I'm more upscale than a damn Dodge Dart....
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And then there's the people that just...
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Whatever carpool you were stuck in where you had to lick the frost of the windshield must have been murder.
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Just when I start to warm up to the GOP again, they pass a massive spending bill, and start talking about raising taxes.
In the meantime, its been 13 months. No wall yet and Hillary runs free.
Lying Trump!
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Lying Trump!
If you bother to read the article Trump isn't proposing this tax. It's your white bread pals in the Chamber of Commerce. You know. The guys who back all of your favorite candidates.
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If you bother to read the article Trump isn't proposing this tax. It's your white bread pals in the Chamber of Commerce. You know. The guys who back all of your favorite candidates.
You didn't bother to read. My response was to this quote, and yes I do hold Trump responsible:
Just when I start to warm up to the GOP again, they pass a massive spending bill, and start talking about raising taxes.
In the meantime, its been 13 months. No wall yet and Hillary runs free.
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You didn't bother to read. My response was to this quote, and yes I do hold Trump responsible:
Just when I start to warm up to the GOP again, they pass a massive spending bill, and start talking about raising taxes.
In the meantime, its been 13 months. No wall yet and Hillary runs free.
Well then who are you warming up too? Lynden LaRouche?
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I've spent most of my life in places where I drive quite a ways daily, in TX, NM, and now CA, and I'm still not sure what the answer is for the road use tax. A mileage tax makes the most sense to me, because it affects people in electric and hybrid as well as gas vehicles. But it is regressive, and people who pay less for housing outside the city then have to pay more to commute. Here in the Los Angeles area, housing is so expensive that working class people often have to travel long distances to work.
One thing that always surprises me, is how few people here carpool.
In the DC area, there is a concept known as "slugging". Basically, drivers pick up "slugs" to give them access to the HOV lanes.
http://www.virginiadot.org/travel/how-virginians-slug-more.asp (http://www.virginiadot.org/travel/how-virginians-slug-more.asp)
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If you bother to read the article Trump isn't proposing this tax. It's your white bread pals in the Chamber of Commerce. You know. The guys who back all of your favorite candidates.
Are you sure Trump doesn't support this idea? Have any of our so-called journalists bothered to ask?
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I've spent most of my life in places where I drive quite a ways daily, in TX, NM, and now CA, and I'm still not sure what the answer is for the road use tax. A mileage tax makes the most sense to me, because it affects people in electric and hybrid as well as gas vehicles. But it is regressive, and people who pay less for housing outside the city then have to pay more to commute. Here in the Los Angeles area, housing is so expensive that working class people often have to travel long distances to work.
One thing that always surprises me, is how few people here carpool.
It may be related to the word 'Freedom'. As long as people can still afford it, it will endure.
Liberals wish all people to be chained into living in big cities and use mass transit in order to control the populace.
We here in the wide-open spaces are here as we enjoy another style of living.
Welcome to GBR, BTW. Hope your stay is a pleasurable one.
@LauraTXNM
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By the way, welcome!
Welcome @LauraTXNM
I think you'll like it here
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I agree it is simple, as it forces oil companies to be the tax collectors. No tax should ever to hidden like that, One reason I would never favor a VAT.
Fair?
In what way is that fair to people who utilize the highways for their job?
There is zero chance that any added taxes would be targeted for infrastructure anyway. It doesn't happen now as it simply goes into the general kitty, so why should it be for the new taxes?
Another bout of silence to a question directed at our resident lib.
Why am I surprised?
@Jazzhead
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One could pretty easily argue that everyone benefits from public roads even if they don't have a car. Nearly all the food and other supplies they use are transported over them.
The gas tax isn't a very accurate indicator of the roads required maintenance costs relative to the vehicle the gas is going into.
I'm not very fond of a mileage tax. It gives incentives to hack the odometer to cheat the tax man. It also doesn't discriminate on where those miles were driven. How much on private property, how much in another state or tax district. It will lead to GPS tracking of all cars so that the car is taxed "properly" no matter where it goes... And with that any privacy on your movements. And then insurance companies will demand access to the data so that people who drive fast, go to higher risk areas, etc. can be billed accordingly... The law of unexpected consequences...
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One other note... Illegals and similar can avoid the mileage tax by simply doing what they already do, ignore the law. It would be just another benefit to them.
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If you bother to read the article Trump isn't proposing this tax. It's your white bread pals in the Chamber of Commerce. You know. The guys who back all of your favorite candidates.
Looks like President Trump is on board with the CoC.
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/373878-trump-supports-25-cent-gas-tax-hike-to-pay-for-infrastructure-report (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/373878-trump-supports-25-cent-gas-tax-hike-to-pay-for-infrastructure-report)
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/14/trump-gas-tax-409647 (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/14/trump-gas-tax-409647)
http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/14/trump-endorsed-raising-gas-tax/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=thedcenergy (http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/14/trump-endorsed-raising-gas-tax/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=thedcenergy)