Author Topic: Republicans consider the unthinkable: A gas tax increase to pay for infrastructure (Read 4127 times)

IsailedawayfromFR · « **Reply #100 on:** February 14, 2018, 02:40:51 am »

Quote from: kevindavis on February 12, 2018, 05:40:31 pm

I also think that those who drive electric cars should start paying a tax.

Precedent is already there. Look at taxes imposed on tobacco-free smoking that were intended originally for tobacco.

IsailedawayfromFR · « **Reply #101 on:** February 14, 2018, 02:44:08 am »

Quote from: Emjay on February 12, 2018, 06:23:13 pm

Don't be crazy.

My daughter has a long commute to her school every day. She just bought a Prius ... this is her third one. It get 50 mpg.

She probably already paid more than for a similar gas user.

Does the Prius use public roads? If not, I agree, no tax.

If it does, then the Prius should pay taxes just like gasoline vehicles which use roads.

IsailedawayfromFR · « **Reply #102 on:** February 14, 2018, 02:54:46 am »

Quote from: Fantom on February 14, 2018, 02:39:55 am

Well, it does not go into the general kitty, though some of the fuel tax is diverted for non-road use. Think Acela/Amtrac and airports. As well as totally unrelated use.

However, corruption aside. Use taxes are the best possible tax. Quite Conservative..... you use it... you pay for it.

The trust which the federal gas taxes go to is simply like the infamous Social Security Trust fund.

There is no connection between expenditures or tax income, and Congress has raided the fund in the past.

This is simply trading IOUs between Treasury and the Trust fund, just like the Social Security Trust fund operates.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/taxanalysts/2013/10/24/the-gas-tax-doesnt-work-because-politicians-broke-it/#4ee8170d6bf1

RetBobbyMI · « **Reply #103 on:** February 14, 2018, 02:59:44 am »

Quote from: kidd on February 12, 2018, 02:41:37 pm

Just when I start to warm up to the GOP again, they pass a massive spending bill, and start talking about raising taxes.

In the meantime, its been 13 months. No wall yet and Hillary runs free.

Ditto.
If they start finding ways to increase taxes, instead of cutting spending, It will be the nail in the coffin of the GOP...for me at least.

LauraTXNM · « **Reply #104 on:** February 14, 2018, 04:10:07 am »

I've spent most of my life in places where I drive quite a ways daily, in TX, NM, and now CA, and I'm still not sure what the answer is for the road use tax. A mileage tax makes the most sense to me, because it affects people in electric and hybrid as well as gas vehicles. But it is regressive, and people who pay less for housing outside the city then have to pay more to commute. Here in the Los Angeles area, housing is so expensive that working class people often have to travel long distances to work.

One thing that always surprises me, is how few people here carpool.

XenaLee · « **Reply #105 on:** February 14, 2018, 04:16:57 am »

Quote from: RetBobbyMI on February 14, 2018, 02:59:44 am

Ditto.
If they start finding ways to increase taxes, instead of cutting spending, It will be the nail in the coffin of the GOP...for me at least.

Which is exactly what the RINOs are counting on.

corbe · « **Reply #106 on:** February 14, 2018, 04:25:16 am »

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LauraTXNM · « **Reply #107 on:** February 14, 2018, 04:32:18 am »

Quote from: corbe on February 14, 2018, 04:25:16 am

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RoosGirl · « **Reply #108 on:** February 14, 2018, 04:36:51 am »

Quote from: LauraTXNM on February 14, 2018, 04:10:07 am

I've spent most of my life in places where I drive quite a ways daily, in TX, NM, and now CA, and I'm still not sure what the answer is for the road use tax. A mileage tax makes the most sense to me, because it affects people in electric and hybrid as well as gas vehicles. But it is regressive, and people who pay less for housing outside the city then have to pay more to commute. Here in the Los Angeles area, housing is so expensive that working class people often have to travel long distances to work.

One thing that always surprises me, is how few people here carpool.

I don't know why that's surprising. People don't want to be without their cars. It's why the commuter train systems in many places are half empty and every year run in the red.

LauraTXNM · « **Reply #109 on:** February 14, 2018, 04:43:00 am »

Quote from: RoosGirl on February 14, 2018, 04:36:51 am

I don't know why that's surprising. People don't want to be without their cars. It's why the commuter train systems in many places are half empty and every year run in the red.

I tend to think of everything as a trade-off. If the logistics work, carpooling can pay for most of one's gas. When budgets are tight, it can help. It's just interesting to me, how few people here take the option.

RoosGirl · « **Reply #110 on:** February 14, 2018, 04:47:56 am »

Quote from: LauraTXNM on February 14, 2018, 04:43:00 am

I tend to think of everything as a trade-off. If the logistics work, carpooling can pay for most of one's gas. When budgets are tight, it can help. It's just interesting to me, how few people here take the option.

By the way, welcome!

LauraTXNM · « **Reply #111 on:** February 14, 2018, 04:50:12 am »

Quote from: RoosGirl on February 14, 2018, 04:47:56 am

By the way, welcome!

And thank you!

Frank Cannon · « **Reply #112 on:** February 14, 2018, 04:51:10 am »

Quote from: LauraTXNM on February 14, 2018, 04:43:00 am

I tend to think of everything as a trade-off. If the logistics work, carpooling can pay for most of one's gas. When budgets are tight, it can help. It's just interesting to me, how few people here take the option.

Some people here don't like other people stinking up the leather in their expensive cars. I'm one.

RoosGirl · « **Reply #113 on:** February 14, 2018, 04:52:45 am »

Quote from: Frank Cannon on February 14, 2018, 04:51:10 am

Some people here don't like other people stinking up the leather in their expensive cars. I'm one.

Or spilling coffee, dropping doughnut sprinkles, trying to make everyone listen to Elton John on the commute in, etc.

corbe · « **Reply #114 on:** February 14, 2018, 04:54:56 am »

Quote from: Frank Cannon on February 14, 2018, 04:51:10 am

Some people here don't like other people stinking up the leather in their expensive cars. I'm one.

Not many of US can afford fine corithian leather in our cars, @Frank Cannon

edpc · « **Reply #115 on:** February 14, 2018, 04:56:31 am »

Quote from: Frank Cannon on February 14, 2018, 04:51:10 am

Some people here don't like other people stinking up the leather in their expensive cars. I'm one.

Or messing with your rotary phone.....

Frank Cannon · « **Reply #116 on:** February 14, 2018, 04:57:20 am »

Quote from: RoosGirl on February 14, 2018, 04:52:45 am

Or spilling coffee, dropping doughnut sprinkles, trying to make everyone listen to Elton John on the commute in, etc.

Don't forget breathing, talking, touching the power seat buttons, breathing.

corbe · « **Reply #117 on:** February 14, 2018, 05:01:06 am »

REAL Detectives back then didn't use AT&T

RoosGirl · « **Reply #118 on:** February 14, 2018, 05:03:35 am »

Quote from: Frank Cannon on February 14, 2018, 04:57:20 am

Don't forget breathing, talking, touching the power seat buttons, breathing.

And then there's the people that just...

Frank Cannon · « **Reply #119 on:** February 14, 2018, 05:05:06 am »

I'm more upscale than a damn Dodge Dart....

Frank Cannon · « **Reply #120 on:** February 14, 2018, 05:06:15 am »

Quote from: RoosGirl on February 14, 2018, 05:03:35 am

And then there's the people that just...

Whatever carpool you were stuck in where you had to lick the frost of the windshield must have been murder.

Chosen Daughter · « **Reply #121 on:** February 14, 2018, 05:09:19 am »

Quote from: kidd on February 12, 2018, 02:41:37 pm

Just when I start to warm up to the GOP again, they pass a massive spending bill, and start talking about raising taxes.

In the meantime, its been 13 months. No wall yet and Hillary runs free.

Lying Trump!

Frank Cannon · « **Reply #122 on:** February 14, 2018, 05:12:45 am »

Quote from: Chosen Daughter on February 14, 2018, 05:09:19 am

Lying Trump!

If you bother to read the article Trump isn't proposing this tax. It's your white bread pals in the Chamber of Commerce. You know. The guys who back all of your favorite candidates.

Chosen Daughter · « **Reply #123 on:** February 14, 2018, 05:32:11 am »

Quote from: Frank Cannon on February 14, 2018, 05:12:45 am

If you bother to read the article Trump isn't proposing this tax. It's your white bread pals in the Chamber of Commerce. You know. The guys who back all of your favorite candidates.

You didn't bother to read. My response was to this quote, and yes I do hold Trump responsible:

Just when I start to warm up to the GOP again, they pass a massive spending bill, and start talking about raising taxes.

In the meantime, its been 13 months. No wall yet and Hillary runs free.

Frank Cannon · « **Reply #124 on:** February 14, 2018, 05:34:21 am »

Quote from: Chosen Daughter on February 14, 2018, 05:32:11 am

You didn't bother to read. My response was to this quote, and yes I do hold Trump responsible:

Just when I start to warm up to the GOP again, they pass a massive spending bill, and start talking about raising taxes.

In the meantime, its been 13 months. No wall yet and Hillary runs free.

Well then who are you warming up too? Lynden LaRouche?